Legends of the Buisness Company [Staplers Take Over the World]

[Gamma Emerald]

i think furtiveglance is a much better elimination than alisae and even shirou atp for me.

he is currently number 1 on my wish list for yeet.

who is everyone else's current #1 choice for yeet?

I think Norwee is solid
Not opposed to furtive though

[Gamma Emerald]

i think you are much more likely scum than alisae and you flipping scum would p much clear alisae in my mind

I missed when you stopped scumreading her then

Alisae uses e/em pronouns
https://en.pronouns.page/e

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm gunna push back on the claim that the game was ever borderline unreadable.

There's been lots of posts in this game yes but I think there has been next to no spam. The signal to noise ratio in this game is actually ridiculously high and I don't know why you would complain about that as town, but it sure does seem like a convenient thing to repeatedly mention as scum, which is weird because I've seen you play town a bunch in games that had plenty of posting in them and I don't think I've seen you have that particular complaint before.

i.e. it feels like the situation is the same that I've seen furtive in before but he's reacting differently which makes me think theres a motivational shift.

idk how much was actually spam because I didn't fkin read most of it but I definitely tried to use high activity as a platform as scum in a mbos game (think it was mbos 10)

[Gamma Emerald]

okay? I'm saying I think you may be right, based on my own exp
@shea

[Gamma Emerald]

eh gotta work on my material

what did the buisness person say to the other?

"i think you're (water) cooler than me"

*nervously tugs shirt, awaiting laughter*

you're trying too hard

[Gamma Emerald]

you're on the shallower end of the scumpool but you're in it

[Gamma Emerald]

wut?

[Gamma Emerald]

is it more than just the "switchy-witchy" of the list

oh you mean the list you posted
eh I think there's nebulous scumpings but that's the most concrete issue I have

[Gamma Emerald]

i think you are much more likely scum than alisae and you flipping scum would p much clear alisae in my mind

I missed when you stopped scumreading her then

Alisae uses e/em pronouns
https://en.pronouns.page/e

I go by any pronoun as long as I understood I am being referred to so like can u not?

I was trying to help? Also I wasn’t sure who they meant in their convo for a bit so that also was why I felt a need to clarify?

[Gamma Emerald]

what are your reads, cakez?

enchant town
gamma town
alisae kinda town
t bone town
shirou town

haschel scummish? townish?
norwe idk

penguin kinda scummy
std scumzors
pooky scummish
furtive nullscumish
titus/freedom scummish

Is anyone not listed null?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, sometimes when my phone is in my pocket I play the mafia game in my head

mood

[Gamma Emerald]

“For their own malice” what???
Trust me I’ve had ENOUGH drama trauma over this subject, I’m not looking for more.

[Gamma Emerald]

Shirou has no incentive to swap if he knows you'll just swap it again. So I think we're waiting on something that will never happen

Why would I swap out his swap that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
If anything the both of us are completely disinterested in voting the current pool of players

Are you two not using your PT to discuss this matter?

[Gamma Emerald]

14 players, 4 mafia

Chance of 4 players choosen to be devoid of mafia pretty small.

If they watch each other and try to force wasting of money, then maybe it's not like they trust each other enough to remove from suspect list?

I just think having swaps later is more useful, when there will be atleast some info in matter of flips

I think a team swap makes sense when you consider the Monty Hall problem
My challenge was made with low info. Now that we have more info, an improvement can potentially be made.

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

It is at least relevant in some regard imo

[Gamma Emerald]

whatever

[Gamma Emerald]

I swear Alisae is scum. With Pooky for their progressions on each other which are manufactured as hell

Also Alisae inconsistency on Shirou

I'll probably get voted off and town might lose

VOTE: SirCakez

vrej

[Gamma Emerald]

I forgot

Rankings
SB
NC
NM
TJ
BM
WP
HH

You wanted me to get money? I thought you and your predecessor both somehow scumread me?

I used a scale based on my reads. Each player got a score. Those scores were added to determine rankings. In the event of a tie, I rolled randomly. Hence why I am so low. PP dragged it down.

So you didn’t use my method? Okay.

[Gamma Emerald]

I forgot

Rankings
SB
NC
NM
TJ
BM
WP
HH

You wanted me to get money? I thought you and your predecessor both somehow scumread me?

I used a scale based on my reads. Each player got a score. Those scores were added to determine rankings. In the event of a tie, I rolled randomly. Hence why I am so low. PP dragged it down.

So you didn’t use my method? Okay.

[Gamma Emerald]

I forgot

Rankings
SB
NC
NM
TJ
BM
WP
HH

You wanted me to get money? I thought you and your predecessor both somehow scumread me?

I used a scale based on my reads. Each player got a score. Those scores were added to determine rankings. In the event of a tie, I rolled randomly. Hence why I am so low. PP dragged it down.

So you didn’t use my method? Okay.

Your method?

I assigned 4 points for strong town down to one point for scumzors

I did a ranking method that I felt was more optimal for depriving my suspicions of possible funds
No points were really involved.

[Gamma Emerald]

imagine wanting to give yourself money bro I can't

I voted my team first. Btw this isn't scum indicative for me, i got harassed for in Holiday Dance party because i played "selfish" and etc, so pre-shutting down that right now.

Full ranking?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m kinda lost here
Alisae put furtive in, why is e calling DADV?

[Gamma Emerald]

what are your reads, cakez?

enchant town
gamma town
alisae kinda town
t bone town
shirou town

haschel scummish? townish?
norwe idk

penguin kinda scummy
std scumzors
pooky scummish
furtive nullscumish
titus/freedom scummish

Is anyone not listed null?

p sure I listed everyone?

You missed 1 player

[Gamma Emerald]

Holmes under the Hammer Challenges Hyperpost Meta

Yeah this is a fair shake I think?
Curious what Alisae has to say for emself after the swap followed by a DADV call on one of the players of the team e swapped in.

[Gamma Emerald]

Feel pretty sketched out by the people boring furtive with me tbh.

It do feel like that

Dead air dead villager…

Yeah just smoke me even though you know I'm town

That makes you look really town

real

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay that was bad emote choice
I’m trying to make the statement I think should consider that more now that furtive flipped town.

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s short for “dead air dead villager” which Alisae said after a few votes went furtive’s way after e switched teams
It makes no sense to say that about the player you switched to and voted for imo.
VOTE: Alisae
May as well put an ante up

[Gamma Emerald]

It means a lack of activity suggests the current wagon is in town
I think it’s a fallacy tbf, there’s certainly reasons for scum to be paralyzed whilst one of their number is being wagoned.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like the fact that no one is talking means its a town flip.

That’s pretty much it

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
Eh okay
Would rather vote out StD here

[Gamma Emerald]

that was more to gamma

does sircakez deserve some heat for voting furtive after the fact?

i expressed why i was hesitant to vote furtive tho so i'm a little confused why you think i would hammer as scum when it should be pretty clear why i waited

The only flip out of those I’ve directly desired is Norwee
Is the Cakez thing @me too?

[Gamma Emerald]

If anything shirou was more null and could be anything but more likely to be a wolf but likely honestly it probs could be anything so shrug

This says even less than J.P. Hilsabeck

[Gamma Emerald]

then maybe check your scumdar

no it was more towards alisae and anyone else who wants to think "hyuck hyuck hammer = scummy"

wot

[Gamma Emerald]

Why does me saying Norwee is my only tangible suspect in {Norwee, PP, Titus} get a “check your scumdar”?

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh I don’t think Penguin is the worst lim but he’s not exactly the best either I think
Titus has been LA I think? Want to give her more time (tho I also need to think if Freedom’s posting actually feels worse post-furtive flip)

[Gamma Emerald]

What does everybody think of 84?

Something about furtive's faith in scum is making me doubt he's telling the truth in 87.

Something about furtive's faith in scum is making me doubt he's telling the truth in 87.

Which post shows faith in scum

The one where you suggest buying the mystery box.

this thought process feels okay

VOTE: Cakez
I asked Penguin and yeah, it's weird for Cakez to not make an effort to contribute.

This is hiding disguised as collboration

Making me think Freedom/Cakez S/T so I'd like to wait for Cakez' reappearance

Why is Cakez town to you?
You can ask Penguin on what he said in our PT.

Ok I lol'd at that

Then I must refer you to...this post

Did you forget to mention this?

don’t like passing the buck on PT contents to Penguin

It was purely your vote and justification for it that made me think S/T

if Cakez flips scum does that make Freedom town?

Now that you say that, no. I do just want to vote Freedom regardless

You just convinced me further that I'm right that you are scum.
You say that you think me/Cakez is S/T. Now you're confessing that you just want me dead and it's nothing to do with Cakez.
This is exactly what I mean when I'm saying you're pre-flipping.

fair reaction

so like, the best move here is to put your least fave team in the middle, right?

Probably, though it doesn't matter as long as your top 2 favourite teams are 1st and 7th.

it kinda does though? you should try to influence as much in possible in favor of the sort of outcome you want

I guess, though based off my interpretation, any team in the middle isn't going to win.

this feels like promoting bad theory

So I’m back-and-forth on Freedom but the furtive-related stuff doesn’t look bad

[Gamma Emerald]

Fenrir I don’t think you’re gonna get what you want here

[Gamma Emerald]

-_-

[Gamma Emerald]

If that’s at me I’m noting how quickly Shirou v. Alisae de-escalated

[Gamma Emerald]

also another point for Titus!slot scum is that I remember feeling fairly strongly that furtive vs Freedom was TvS

I don’t agree w this

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not really feeling confident there's scum at all in this pool. Yeah Enchant has been shit later pages but i still liked his earlier content and thought it was town indicative. Shirou and Alisae... just no.
Shirou you should change the team to something else. I still wanna lim Haschel, Freedom or Pooky.

Cringe limpool tbh
Only okay one is Titus

[Gamma Emerald]

its good theatre, bront.

this is not how I do theater.

I want Shirou to try to express their read on me. They have a PT with me and I wanna hear what they have to say if they’re wolfreading me. I don’t want them to die before they are able to do this as I feel like that would be a mistake.

I don’t think if we were wolves theater would be our strategy. We would probably want to work together and if anything we wouldn’t be like, posturing around each other. If anything we probably wouldn’t be fighting and I would be advocating him as solid town if we’re both wolves.

I don’t remember fully, weren’t you + your teammate in hidden speezy scum together?

[Gamma Emerald]

its good theatre, bront.

this is not how I do theater.

I want Shirou to try to express their read on me. They have a PT with me and I wanna hear what they have to say if they’re wolfreading me. I don’t want them to die before they are able to do this as I feel like that would be a mistake.

I don’t think if we were wolves theater would be our strategy. We would probably want to work together and if anything we wouldn’t be like, posturing around each other. If anything we probably wouldn’t be fighting and I would be advocating him as solid town if we’re both wolves.

I don’t remember fully, weren’t you + your teammate in hidden speezy scum together?

I think Shiro was paired with someone else I was paired with Titus (I have a distinct memory of immediately lazy posting and titus calling me out for being super lazy and just saying ok) and UT and Reck were wolves together

UT and Reck were probably what I was thinking of

[Gamma Emerald]

someone talk to me here I just want to engage

Emblem…Engage!

[Gamma Emerald]

Not as much as others

[Gamma Emerald]

Not as much as others

Okay what does this mean? Like nullscum? Null? I can't tell

Somewhere between nullscum and nulltown
You’re not a priority for me at least

[Gamma Emerald]

Paraphrasing is fine but post numbers is a bit much

[Gamma Emerald]

Just gonna try to cover the bits I feel are important

Our thread starts with me mentioning a Super Mario World romhack themed around LotHT since it’s relevant to me and Ythan’s interests and I was a bit rattled during gamestart so I opted to post an icebreaker.
We then talked about how to use the hood, where I talked about my antics in the last run a bit. We then talked about what we wanted to do regarding challenges.
Ythan mentions not having much to say in the hood since her thoughts are already in the main thread. We also talked a little about video games.
I then mention my concern about mastina calling me town when my recollection is she tends to read me inversely to what I am when she’s town. I also asked Ythan to poke into the thing furtive said regarding Ceph influencing his reads.
I post the read list that I built off of for my reads I posted in-thread. One thing that I haven’t really been explicit about yet is I had Aisa as a townlean there but hadn’t really said much about in thread for a time. This resulted in some paranoia of Ythan when Flea was mixed up about my read progression on furtive/Aisa.
Ythan asks if it’s okay to mention the question I requested she asked furtive, and I give the okay. She also looks over me and furtive and comes out of it kinda suspicious of me.
I then make a comment about it feeling like multiple players are playing passive (those being tw/Meg/furtive/Flea) which was frustrating because I was considering challenging Meg+tw for the logic Cephrir stated despite him meaning the parrots. Soon after I express a desire for Flea to challenge me because I felt like fae was playing weakly.
I ask Ythan for input on my readlist in the main thread but there was some confusion on that front. This was also around the time I thought Flea and Ythan could be paired based on Flea mentioning an Aisa TR which I’d only been explicit about in the hood for a while. In addition I mention doubt about SRing mastina since she also went after Flea who was pretty UTR. Eventually Ythan reaches my readlist and says my townreads look okay and she wants to look into my SRs.
I call out 549 as weird, albeit potentially towny. I also express interest in a jaguars/parrots challenge as a “clear some of the fog around these slots” idea.
I ask Ythan about the Jaguars/Snakes challenge which prompts her to mention being behind. I also noted I felt like furtive was reading into my 573 as an associative with Meg+tw which I found inane. That’s also why I asked furtive’s thought on that post in here.
I posted *popcorn gif* in the hood when Flea got jumpy at the E-1 and voted Yume
After the first challenge finished, I posted a greeting when Ythan popped into the thread and then a sorta taunting “showtime” message when I issued my challenge. She then said that reading the current challenge would be easier than the last one since she had thoughts on the group already, to which I asked her to give thoughts on some of the still alive members of the last challenge.

This was how I talked about my team PT contents last run
No post numbers, but there was groupings of posts that I tried to indicate by breaking it into paragraphs at specific spots.

[Gamma Emerald]

You should be fine as long as you behave going forward
Modkills are pretty rare these days thanks to sorta recent limitations on them
As such I don’t an innocent mistake will cause that

[Gamma Emerald]

Does anyone else have 75+ posts in their hood? Cakez and I have like 15 posts.

Think we’ve got like 50? It’s mostly shitposting tho

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh we are 75+

[Gamma Emerald]

Bleh idk if that TR is a good idea
As a general principle, scum probably care more about visible progression than town

[Gamma Emerald]

My favorite part of my PT is where norwee can't convince me of a pooky scumread with words so he tries a meme

*snort*

[Gamma Emerald]

Ah yes, commitment to the bit is the greatest towntell
(This might actually be true tbf, I had great commitment to a bit I had going on in one of my prior towngames)

[Gamma Emerald]

Even if he disliked Enchant more from the recent convo it's kinda hard to buy he would dislike him the most out of [Alisae, Shirou, Enchant] so quickly

You're misrepresenting what I said; I said Enchant was the best vote out of [Enchant/Furtive/Cakez/T-Bone]

MMMM

[Gamma Emerald]

Even if he disliked Enchant more from the recent convo it's kinda hard to buy he would dislike him the most out of [Alisae, Shirou, Enchant] so quickly

You're misrepresenting what I said; I said Enchant was the best vote out of [Enchant/Furtive/Cakez/T-Bone]

Ummmmmm this is Day 2 dawg

Okay and?

[Gamma Emerald]

Did he say the bit about Enchant being the best vote during this challenge though? I acknowledge that’s true but it doesn’t negate the prior clarification I think

[Gamma Emerald]

Of these options I'd rather

vote: Enchant

.

Holmes under the Hammer vs Not Cheaters 1.11

Enchant (1): Haschel Cedricson,

furtiveglance (7 - Elimination) : Alisae, Thestatusquo, PookytheMagicalBear, Titus, NorwegianboyEE, T-Bone, Save The Dragons

SirCakez (2) : Enchant, furtiveglance,
T-Bone (0) :

Not Voting (4): Gamma Emerald, Shirou, PenguinPower, SirCakez,


With 14 Alive, It Takes 7 to Eliminate.
Deadline for challenge is (expired on 2023-02-02 15:45:00)

Mod Notes: Searching for replacement for Penguinpower

Okay no that vote was in Day 1
What the fuck TBone?

[Gamma Emerald]

I want everyone that isn't voting Alisae right now after THAT post to explain why.

p-edit:

WHY are you assuming Haschel is town as well

there is no way a wolf is putting enchant in their scumreads that's just not real

I'll admit that it's often town indicative but as Gamma said I don't think that's enough to townread the slot like you seem to be doing

scum just do actual scummy things sometimes and more importantly, people in the thread pointed out it being weird as well, it's the usual uninformed way to act.

If we assume HC is town, when someone town reads players doing weird things so confidently, it's often

scum-indicative

. I don't even need to look far to point out an example: scum!Ydrasse town reading Furtive "openwolfing" in the Dance Game.

I’m parsing some other stuff rn

[Gamma Emerald]

<_<

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: alisae
guhhh

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: shirou

I don’t like this
I feel like this is the WIM I was hoping for earlier from Shirou

[Gamma Emerald]

Shirou - I feel like some of the paranoia expressed on my slot doesn't feel like go with the flow from alisae

If you're town I think you're one of the objectively possible lategame miseliminations in this game so I don't know why you think "paranoia" on you is town indicative

as scum I keep some "paranoia" on certain slots for later on be able to smoothly progress into suspecting them

could be town!Alisae? sure but I don't see how she's town for this specifically.

I didn't say I tr for it I said it's not go with the flow

Look I'm not voting enchant
Alisae seems town to me
I dunno about you for certain

Seems pretty straightforward

???

[Gamma Emerald]

then maybe check your scumdar

no it was more towards alisae and anyone else who wants to think "hyuck hyuck hammer = scummy"

Yeah Fenrir’s Alisae read doesn’t make any fkin sense rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought you wanted enchant tho

why did you vote furtive

Don’t like this either

[Gamma Emerald]

Shirou is blatantly obvtown for me rn
Like he’s posting basically the same way me and Pooky have been earlier
Like this “it feels too easy” mindset mirrors my thought process and the scumposting comments echo Pooky

[Gamma Emerald]

i think gamma needs to get limmed my tr is completely gone

I’ll grant that your Alisae read isn’t as bad as it seemed at first but I still don’t trust you when you’re going after the most obvtown player in the challenge imo, and I don’t like your shade of Haschel.

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought you wanted enchant tho

why did you vote furtive

Don’t like this either

Then what were these? Felt like you wanted to catch Haschel in a gotcha.

[Gamma Emerald]

someone talk to me here I just want to engage

3 posts later

why did you vote furtive

come on you said Emblem...Engage to this you can't not remember this

Those posts were back to back so I thought the were directed at the same person.

[Gamma Emerald]

If I had a gladiate, I'd challenge NorwegianboyEE but since that's not possible, I'll try to sort this for a bit

You do have a gladiate, it’s just 2-4 players.

[Gamma Emerald]

Got a few minutes of lunch break, any questions for me?

[Gamma Emerald]

Got sidetracked during my break but off the clock now

Got a few minutes of lunch break, any questions for me?

Current read on me and why?

Nullscum

[Gamma Emerald]

do you steal all flags that team has or just theirs? Maintain additional flags makes it seem like they can be stolen but the rules don't specify a mechanism for doing that.

One per round
Idk what determine which gets stolen if a team has multiple

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh also
I did the math
someone is lying with their list

If we tally everything up we get (also assuming that my math isn't wrong because I did most of this before cakez posted his list)
Holmes 41
Hyperpost 42
Johnson 42
Braincell 43
Board 47
NC 59
Wolf Pack 61

I think whoever is a wolf had a NOTABLE gap between Hyperpost and Holmes. a VERY notable gap of probably at least 4+

Did you remember to factor in Cakez and TBone lost their ballots?

[Gamma Emerald]

do you steal all flags that team has or just theirs? Maintain additional flags makes it seem like they can be stolen but the rules don't specify a mechanism for doing that.

One per round
Idk what determine which gets stolen if a team has multiple

Why are you answering a question you don't know the answer to.

I’m answering the part I’m aware of the answer to
But like, it was plainly stated.

[Gamma Emerald]

yes vry kafkaesque gj firebringer

pls don’t bring Kafka into this

[Gamma Emerald]

it sure should! well maybe. even once i know them i should probably also decide if they should be known. but i can do that now! it's no trouble at all! i am very well known for being generous with my time

i have decided in the affirmative. what a relief to discard this determination from my to do list

did you get it?

[Gamma Emerald]

Eeeh.

Everyone will keep 1 flag?

Keeping your own flag has miniscule benefits to having someone else’s

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re lucky I’m not suspecting you more
I almost just hard-j’accused you when I saw Alisae’s tally because as it stood just changing your list so your number 1 and 2 were swapped would have given the effect of making Hyperpost win the event

[Gamma Emerald]

Feels more like you’re just trying to put Norwee into a rough spot

[Gamma Emerald]

But maybe you are
I think it’s more beneficial as scum to put something like that out in the open as an intimidation tactic

[Gamma Emerald]

i have finally received penguinpower's rankings, and boy are they a doozy. such a prismatic window into his thinking -- his psyche, i daresay. but honestly i don't know if it's right to share them. don't get me wrong; i vaguely comprehend the strategic value. vaguely! but i mean these are his private opinions of all of you, and he's not around anymore to explain or defend them. it's as if he left behind a grenade with the pin barely still in. i don't know if he ever thought these rich, titillating secrets would ever get out. it feels like a violation. a breaking of norms. i will have to consult further with my conscience. and if it weren't for site rules i would also consult with my mother. but unfortunately, this is a crucible i have to endure on my own.

ok ok im also bored of the bit and may go see a movie so i'll hurry and clarify: the above is a very funny joke. perhaps the funniest you have read in a while. the punchline (after several posts, including announcement of a multi-page reveal ceremony in high Chevre style and I swear to god I'll weave that into a post here someday) is an empty spoiler tag. i asked fb for records of secret activities and was provided the most boring reply imaginable. thank you, i'll be here all night. also i have many more than 5 pages left to read before i can contribute meaningfully to this thread. many more.

wow i'm so pumped to be here! like a social life but with hostages. now that i think about it maybe that's also why i play league of legends. 20-40 minutes of inescapable bliss engineered with game theory. this is another joke i swear

So he didn’t submit anything?

[Gamma Emerald]

ok I came to take a last peek in the thread/our PT and I'm not sure Alisae is wolf anymore her emotions feel

really

raw and genuine there

I wasn't posting as much in the main thread because I was trying to sort her there and I'm starting to really have doubts on my read on her

UNVOTE:

I gotta think about this, maybe consider a team swap to wide the pool a bit as well

I was pretty confident before but now I'm not sure anymore

Didn’t you say you WEREN’T going to be sorting Alisae in the PT?

[Gamma Emerald]

enchant u smell

You look weird with sniffing monitor.

latest tech in silicon valley

u don't wanna know what people use it for in discord

I just got what was going on
okay Terezi

[Gamma Emerald]

Shirou, what's your read on Alisae?

I've no read on Alisae up to now

Not even a sense from the PT?

as far as I know Alisae is a Don Corleone winner why would I try to read her off two pages in the PT

She's one of the harder slots to read in this game to me

Okay I kinda took this out of context but I dont get why Shirou skipped posting his parts of the hood if he wasn’t sticking to not trying to sort Alisae using it
Ngl I’m getting flashbacks to an off-site game where scum tried to use private interactions to clear each other

[Gamma Emerald]

Me and Alisae have been talking, honestly I've been posting more in our hood than in the main thread right now but hm

Right now I think we're both considering team swapping Enchant to Titus/Psyche here the most interesting option given there's a significant number of people also interested on those slots

I've some other suspects but honestly they're unviable to challenge right now

Unless I'm daykilled (which I kinda doubt a bit rn given my position in this game atm?), this is nightless and I'll probably be here anyway later so not too worried on guessing all scum from the start

Imma be blunt: if Psyche/Titus lacks scum, Alisae is scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Me and Alisae have been talking, honestly I've been posting more in our hood than in the main thread right now but hm

Right now I think we're both considering team swapping Enchant to Titus/Psyche here the most interesting option given there's a significant number of people also interested on those slots

I've some other suspects but honestly they're unviable to challenge right now

Unless I'm daykilled (which I kinda doubt a bit rn given my position in this game atm?), this is nightless and I'll probably be here anyway later so not too worried on guessing all scum from the start

Imma be blunt: if Psyche/Titus lacks scum, Alisae is scum.

I don't think it works exactly like that but...hm, I suppose mathematically speaking it would make it more likely yeah.

I say this cos I get the feeling Alisae is trying similar stuff to hidden speezy

[Gamma Emerald]

I've sent a message to firebringer, btw.

About WHAT, exactly?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma why have you shown, literally 0 interest in trying to sort the ballots yourself?

I wanna say this is patently false

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma why have you shown, literally 0 interest in trying to sort the ballots yourself?

I wanna say this is patently false

I mean I think you are the type of person that would do the math to help you figure out the truth and I don't think I've seen you demonstrate anything like that.

If I were in that mindset, but I haven’t rlly been

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't get why you believe I must have tampered with my list but are seemingly unwilling to consider anything else

Because it’s conspicuous as shit

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma why have you shown, literally 0 interest in trying to sort the ballots yourself?

I wanna say this is patently false

I mean I think you are the type of person that would do the math to help you figure out the truth and I don't think I've seen you demonstrate anything like that.

If I were in that mindset, but I haven’t rlly been

because?

Rn it’s cos I’m sick, earlier I was more entrenched in the solve I had going

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh I see now

[Gamma Emerald]

Team Holmes under the Hammer 33
Team Single Braincell 36
Team Hyperpost Meta 37
Team Johnson's 37
Team Board of Mis-directors 41
Team Not Cheaters 41
Team The Wolf Pack 51

Okay

[Gamma Emerald]

Thinking/reconsidering is a fancy word for “changing your mind”

[Gamma Emerald]

I think scum!Alisae confirms another player as scum

[Gamma Emerald]

I have three words for you Enchant:

GO
FUCK
YOURSELF

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d rather vote Shirou for taking Enchant out of the pool

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: shirou

[Gamma Emerald]

Funnily enough you were willing to vote him when it was between him Alisae and Enchant

[Gamma Emerald]

i think gamma's rage at enchant and willingness to vote for shirou for taking enchant out is performative

I’m literally sick and Enchant exploited that for in-game advantage
your heart is caked in coal if you believe I’m not legit pissed off for that cheap shot

[Gamma Emerald]

here's a question

why did enchant choose pooky and gamma

perhaps a better question is

why was the flag available to be taken in the first place

BECAUSE I WAS TOO SICK TO SUBMIT AN ACTION YOU ABSOLUTE CHODE!!!

[Gamma Emerald]

Read my fucking signature, then tell me you stand by that garbage you just let spill out of your mouth.

[Gamma Emerald]

i don't know that

how come pooky didn't

He did, but the rules as I read them meant both players had to agree

[Gamma Emerald]

here's a question

why did enchant choose pooky and gamma

perhaps a better question is

why was the flag available to be taken in the first place

BECAUSE I WAS TOO SICK TO SUBMIT AN ACTION YOU ABSOLUTE CHODE!!!

Hey, gamma, come on calm down. If you feel the need to post something this insulting maybe take a break from the thread instead.

No. I’m not letting Fenrir spew raw sewage into the thread unchecked.

[Gamma Emerald]

In that case it’s a direct scumclaim from Enchant
But either way he deserves death

[Gamma Emerald]

Where the fuck did the multi quote button go

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would Town steal from someone randomly hoping for scum to block their guard?

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, if Enchant isn’t scum, then he’s in the Ninth Circle of Assholes.

[Gamma Emerald]

im like 99% sure he looked at the player list and tried to figure out who would be the most pissed off if they got robbed lol

Well I hope he’s happy with himself, because there WILL be consequences.

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe next don’t pick a team where someone is literally too sick to participate?

[Gamma Emerald]

when i apologize it's usually more for me. like a condom between personal standards from who i really am. or i guess a plan b pill.

This was not something I wanted to read with my own two eyes

[Gamma Emerald]

when i apologize it's usually more for me. like a condom between personal standards from who i really am. or i guess a plan b pill.

This was not something I wanted to read with my own two eyes

gamma can I get some actual substance

Probably not
I’m demotivated + mobile mafiascum is ass to navigate, and I don’t think desktop will be much better

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Alisae

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

You divined my alignment from that post?

No
I just think my vote was bad

[Gamma Emerald]

I am legitimately starting to get more and more sus of gamma. I think it's been a very long time since she did something to substantively effect the outcome of the game.

This isn’t exactly scummy
but do you not think there might be some reason to this happening?

[Gamma Emerald]

{gamma, cakez, shirou, psyche} my new solve

i have 0 faith in it

This makes no sense at all in any reality of this game

^ this

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s not too outlandish to expect Cakez to bus a lot imo
But expecting that much bussing from me means you’ve drank the wrong Kool-Aid
I’m not a bus-happy idiot, contrary to what SOME people might suggest

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Psyche
Okay then.

[Gamma Emerald]

wasn't your last vote on alisae? don't you scumread me? who in that pile are you bussing

[Gamma Emerald]

am i dumb gamma

can you just answer the question

My early gameplay was basically gamethrowing if that’s the team

[Gamma Emerald]

Atp I think I’m just going to treat Shirou/Norwee/Dunnstral as Town because if they’re scum we just lose

[Gamma Emerald]

Fenrir go five minutes without calling Gamma scum challenge (IMPOSSIBLE) (GONE WRONG)

[Gamma Emerald]

I have no idea what to think of you
Legitimately I struggle to understand how you can repeatedly get your read on me wrong and not have it make a dent
I don’t think you have ever actually caught scum!me once
This is not me being mean, it’s my legitimate perception of our history together rn

[Gamma Emerald]

How does it feel like potions game
That game I was legitimately handicapping myself to an extent

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ve only been sick for the past week
What do you make of my early posting?

[Gamma Emerald]

What do you make of Shirou/Norwee/Dunnstral
Those slots have basically been superglued this whole game imo

[Gamma Emerald]

@Dunnstral

do you have any reads yet?

[Gamma Emerald]

that's another reason i was sring gamma was because it looked like shirou wanted to give money to pooky but in reality was giving money to both pooky and gamma so i thought it looked partnered.

i dunno about that anymore but it raised my hackles.at the time

Literally where was this

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s why I try to be deliberate in what I mention about my process in PTs
I feel like it’s a pretty big tip-off if someone just hard pivots their playstyle after you’ve voiced something about it outside their presumed hearing range

[Gamma Emerald]

is all the stuff above this post really just totally copacetic to u guys

What’s wrong with it iyo?

[Gamma Emerald]

that's another reason i was sring gamma was because it looked like shirou wanted to give money to pooky but in reality was giving money to both pooky and gamma so i thought it looked partnered.

i dunno about that anymore but it raised my hackles.at the time

Literally where was this

Could you actually substantiate this rather than talking out of your ass

[Gamma Emerald]

what is to substantiate

shirou said "give money to pooky"

i thought both of you could be scum and he's trying to give money to you too

Quote it

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay
I don’t get why Shirou says that rather than just asking for money for himself? He’d probably have gotten an earful from me for that if we were scumbuddies
Honestly it might be more Town-indicative, scum don’t need to post an agenda in-thread

[Gamma Emerald]

StD vs Gamma feels like reverse Gamma vs Cakez

how the world goes around regardless of anyone alignments

What does this mean

[Gamma Emerald]

StD vs Gamma feels like reverse Gamma vs Cakez

how the world goes around regardless of anyone alignments

What does this mean

someone annoyed with how another person has historically read them?

Was that how Cakez felt about it? I thought he was just upset about dying early again

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we please kill Norwee
Out of the him/Shirou/Alisae-slot polycule, he’s the one that’s consistently felt the least genuine

[Gamma Emerald]

I have feeling Gamma will shot me in the face

tbh i think they'll not follow the plan if we try to make you win bc they'll try to get revenge on you yeah

would be kinda funny sorry enchant

I’m not inclined to follow a plan because I think a plan would be scum sided
I’m pretty much over the previous event’s shenanigans atp

[Gamma Emerald]

Who has enough money to teamswap rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not inclined to follow a plan because I think a plan would be scum sided
I’m pretty much over the previous event’s shenanigans atp

well uh, i disagree because i don't think scum can do something without scum claiming if we follow a plan in this event but if that's what majority ends up wanting i don't have enough energy to fight back in this game

Scum have 4 members
How are we going to construct a plan that overcomes that potential coordination

[Gamma Emerald]

furtiveglance (7 - Elimination) : Alisae, Thestatusquo,

PookytheMagicalBear

, Titus,

NorwegianboyEE, T-Bone, Save The Dragons

Titus (6) :

NorwegianboyEE

, Enchant,

Save The Dragons

,

PookytheMagicalBear

,

Save The Dragons

,

T-Bone

,

Is there a reason we shouldn’t burn through the bolded names?

[Gamma Emerald]

How does the current plan get screwed up if scum coordinate?

I’m not sure
As it is, this game feels like a crapshoot

[Gamma Emerald]

are you sure it's a crapshoot or do u just not feel like rereading a few isos

Maybe that would be advisable

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyway if we are doing a plan can we restructure it so I can shoot Norwee

[Gamma Emerald]

shirou would you be ok with getting yeeted today and deadsheeped tomm?

who is ever ok with getting yeeted pooky, especially when i want to preserve the historical low amount of mislims

i would rather it be an attempt at BoP because if by any chance i'm right on cakez or psyche, my death would feel meaningless, and if i'm wrong i can at least say a part of me dying is objectively my fault tommorow

but i'm not the one to decide who dies today, so if between [me, Cakez, Psyche] people think i'm the scummiest one, deadsheeping feels ok i guess

Was anyone consistently pushing the furtive v. Freedom SvT narrative
I think I want to vote out that person, if that person exists

[Gamma Emerald]

i think alisae is emotional enough to rep out regardless of alignment if e feels like it

this isn't a dig at alisae i'm sorry if it feels like one

I don’t understand what the impetus to replace out was if Alisae was scum

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

When we flip psyche as town and then flip sheep or whichever other LHF the scum team wants and lose I will be very insufferable in the postgame.

Only way I become insufferable postgame is if Norwee/Dunnstral/Shirou are all scum and one of them endgames

[Gamma Emerald]

I even linked one.

No one gave a shit.

I’ve been skipping pages rather rampantly, could you quote it?

[Gamma Emerald]

how could you possibly know the reason for the rep out

nobody reps out when they're winning

Did you miss me repping out in Slaughter Hour? Based on tw’s positioning coming in, I think it’s fair to say I was winning there, despite being in a shitfight with peta.

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma do you still think cakes is town

My gut says no
I think he might have been peddling the furtive v. freedom TvS theory?

[Gamma Emerald]

also i dont really think you were "winning" per se at that point in the game - it was pretty up in the air atp - certainly not as like nice as Alisae is positioned if she is scum here imo.

I just felt like that was over generalized so I brought it up. I think your point as it stands is solid.

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?sid=&f=3&t=86525&user_select%5B%5D=15830

Noted

[Gamma Emerald]

he posted 29 times the entire game i feel like he's posted 29 times to say he was catching up this game

If this is accurate I would call it suspicious of Psyche
I think perpetual “I’m catching up” posts are a scumtell

[Gamma Emerald]

like how many times have i voted with you even for just a moment this game

Votes mean nothing when you switch back immediately. You get no gold star.

Didn’t I just post something showing Norwee and Fenrir were on both elimination wagons together?

[Gamma Emerald]

in fact maybe people should claim if they shot anyone

who shot enchant

I feel like doing this before the minigame ends is anti-town

[Gamma Emerald]

he posted 29 times the entire game i feel like he's posted 29 times to say he was catching up this game

If this is accurate I would call it suspicious of Psyche
I think perpetual “I’m catching up” posts are a scumtell

but i was catching up and have caught up. a hundred pages yall cmon

Okay
I did say “if it’s accurate”

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Norwee is always scum here while Shirou can be town

[Gamma Emerald]

also cakes if your logic is "well if the wagon stalls on someone and they dont die they're mafia" then what about yourself? you got stalled on 6 votes a while back didnt you?

Single Braincell vs Not Cheaters 1.2

PookytheMagicalBear (0) :
Gamma Emerald (0) :
SirCakez (6) : PenguinPower, Gamma Emerald, PookytheMagicalBear, Freedom, Save The Dragons, Alisae
T-Bone (0) :

Not Voting (8): Thestatusquo, Haschel Cedricson, NorwegianboyEE, SirCakez, T-Bone, Enchant, furtiveglance, Lazy Shirou,


With 14 Alive, It Takes 7 to Eliminate.
Deadline is (expired on 2023-02-02 15:45:00)

why didn't this wagon go thru if scum r fine taking easy mislims?

This is a weird VC looking back on it. E-1 and everyone else not voting.

Shouldn’t it technically be 8 to eliminate at 14 alive?

[Gamma Emerald]

I shot Shirou last round

[Gamma Emerald]

Welp looks like AI UPick 2.0 2.0 is happening

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay it looks like Fire got the math right for 12 so no AI UPick 2.0 repeat
But 7 to eliminate at 14 is a certifiable mod error.

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like 4 wolves in this setup instead of 3 is crazy lol wtf

granted im not familiar with the site's standards

The setup is normally 8:4 nightless with 6 pairs and no scumkills

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like gamma has a wolfy disconnect between seeming confidence in her reads and the wonkiest justification for them

like, I actually feel like almost everyone likes to 100% confidently assert this person is town/scum for the most weirdly weak reasons, but even then gamma is the only one who has stood out to me as doing it in a hard-to-believe way.

like i just read the sequence in P#2591 for example. just think it's p bad lol.
guess it's more of a tonal thing than what the actual stances are like

will have it on my to-do list to try to look for other examples

This feels like a crock of shit

[Gamma Emerald]

Would not be surprised if sheep is scum
This is kinda OMGUS but I’m also the only read he’s bothered to talk about in any detail

[Gamma Emerald]

The wild part is I give odd justifications for reads always, so the reasons sheep gives in his last post are playstyle ones

[Gamma Emerald]

what if im being set up again and cakes is just actually off on another planet

what

[Gamma Emerald]

The wild part is I give odd justifications for reads always, so the reasons sheep gives in his last post are playstyle ones

Are you trying to say I’m wolf with this post

The previous one about you was
That was just me calling your reasons bad

[Gamma Emerald]

And he's like >50% scum here

With who?

[Gamma Emerald]

on one hand i dont think cakez is town

on the other hand i dont see why norwee hands me cakeboi on a plate like this if he's teamed with cakes.

so i have to figure out a team where cakes is scum and norwee is town before i feel good about this

I can see Norwee doing that without fully intending to bus. I grilled everyone on their willingness to yeet my scumbuddy when I had a stated scumread there with the expectation that I would not get the requisite support to lim and the subject would be dropped

[Gamma Emerald]

*in an offsite game

[Gamma Emerald]

Should i swap Psyche with Pooky and Gamma

Not unless you have reason outside “repeating the first challenge”

[Gamma Emerald]

The wild part is I give odd justifications for reads always, so the reasons sheep gives in his last post are playstyle ones

Are you trying to say I’m wolf with this post

The previous one about you was
That was just me calling your reasons bad

@sheep

do you care to follow up?

[Gamma Emerald]

I also had rather static reads earlier
I just am trying to think things over, and also more recently I've been trying to grapple with the fact it feels like some people do not care to handle what feels like the most obvious cluster of players in this game

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like norwee/shirou/alisaeslot have refused to allow sustained pressure on each other

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think all of them are 100% scum but I want to kill Norwee because that's the one I'm most confident in and if the others are as well we need to kill them at some point and it won't get easier as long as they keep refusing to go after each other for a sustained period

[Gamma Emerald]

Switch "Team Hyperpost Meta" with "Team Not Cheaters"

Are you going to post actual content ever?

[Gamma Emerald]

the emoji looks different when it's quoted
weird.

[Gamma Emerald]

Switch "Team Hyperpost Meta" with "Team Not Cheaters"

Are you going to post actual content ever?

I don't plan to read the entire game. Mostly because it looks miserable and seems to be Alisae's clique and TSQ's clique butting heads with each other and I'm just not interested in wading through that stuff. I've read what I feel is important to determine what I should be pushing for.

So you're sticking to the platform of not putting sustained pressure on Shirou or Norwee?

[Gamma Emerald]

Give me the lazers win and I'll swap them right back in. I'll even keep Cakez and myself if y'all want.

I will be going for the win myself in part because my team has 2 players still in and Rocks Fall means a random scum gets it

[Gamma Emerald]

how does he know about various cliques "butting heads" without reading the thread is an interesting question.

that is a solid question.

[Gamma Emerald]

So the implication is that I'm mafia and I've read more of the thread than I let on, and am pretending to not have read it.

Okay... why would I do that?

another potential implication is you just read that in your scum PT

[Gamma Emerald]

So the implication is that I'm mafia and I've read more of the thread than I let on, and am pretending to not have read it.

Okay... why would I do that?

do you not know which slot you replaced into??????????

[Gamma Emerald]

quoted the wrong post, I'll quote the correct one in a minute as I'm doing it anyway to bring Dunnstral's attention to another post

[Gamma Emerald]

So you're sticking to the platform of not putting sustained pressure on Shirou or Norwee?

I'm not sure what you're on about. I don't think I've commented on Norwee.

With great talent scounting we picked up another new associate He will be taking over Alisae responsibilities of Head of Sales and Marketing of Buisness Socks. Please welcome him to the company.

Dunnstral has replaced Alisae.

for the love of god please do the bare minimum to be functional in the games you play
since you replaced Alisae, you are the one who decides if her clique remains "a thing"

[Gamma Emerald]

oh dear god the kerning in the new site is mega-sus

[Gamma Emerald]

I know that Alisae was buddy buddy with shirou and norwee.

That doesn't mean that I have a "platform" that I'm sticking to. Nobody ever asked me about norwee in the first place.

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue. Norwee isn't even a valid vote.

yeah I guess your plan was to avoid addressing those slots entirely? People shouldn't have to ask you about a player before you can actually post thoughts on them.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I mean we can't actually try to plan out who wins in thread. I have hope, naive hope maybe, that if I swap Shirou back in against Cakez/me as opposed to psyche it might finally happen.

We can plan it out though

We can all state our intentions without using a swap

I meant we can't plan out the lazer game

we can plan it to an extent
outside of just shooting, scum has no apparent way to influence it. as long as me and Pooky don't shoot the same person in both remaining rounds there should be a legitimate winner

[Gamma Emerald]

I know that Alisae was buddy buddy with shirou and norwee.

That doesn't mean that I have a "platform" that I'm sticking to. Nobody ever asked me about norwee in the first place.
I'm not sure what you're trying to argue. Norwee isn't even a valid vote.

yeah I guess your plan was to avoid addressing those slots entirely? People shouldn't have to ask you about a player before you can actually post thoughts on them.

I'm not sure what you're arguing.

I'm arguing that you aren't solving in any way that I can tell, and you don't like that I'm calling you out on it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Not objectively.

[Gamma Emerald]

Just once I'd like to have agency in this fucking game pooky. Can you fucking give me that?

We all have the same end goal
The thing is to just not all kill each other at once.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh I missed the third round, noted

[Gamma Emerald]

i dont see any difference between me swapping norwee in and you swapping norwee in

If you think I'm town there's no reason you wouldn't let me do it.

Only one team can win
Atp either our team wins or a random scum gets the prize, since it’s the final round and there’s more of us than there is of you
I’m not entertaining me/Pooky shooting the other

[Gamma Emerald]

We’ll see what happens once the dust settles.

[Gamma Emerald]

yes i don't really like that either

i don't like how stale his reads have been

he hasn't talked in the PT which tells me he still scumreads me to an extent

My gut tells me Fenrir is town if Norwee is scum from this
One actually tangible thing scum!Ythan did in our hood the previous run was display some lukewarm and unactioned paranoia on me

[Gamma Emerald]

Not Cheaters vs Board of Mis-directors vs 3.10

Pysche (1): T-Bone,
T-Bone(0) :
SirCakez (2) : NorwegianboyEE , Dunnstral,

Not Voting (9): Sheepssaysmeep , Enchant, PookytheMagicalBear, Gamma Emerald, SirCakez, Thestatusquo, Shirou, Psyche , Save The Dragons,


With 12 Alive, It Takes 7 to Eliminate.
Deadline for challenge is (expired on 2023-02-11 10:45:00)

Mod Notes: Hyperpost meta has been swapped for Not Cheaters.

God the site is so narrow on mobile now
Thought Norwee bought a doublevote for a sec

[Gamma Emerald]

we both want the same thing to swap norwee in

i can make sure i get the money by shooting you and you holstering and then using that money to swap norwee in

if instead we did your plan and you shot me and i shot gamma and then gamma shoots you, nobody would get the money and then nobody would have money to swap norwee in

A random scum would get it
Which means there would be no swap to Norwee as no self-respecting scum player is going to make that move given you have to post it publicly.

[Gamma Emerald]

dude you've been voting for shirou and saying psyche is town for fucking days and now you're just fine flipping psyche?

w i l d