Legends of the Buisness Company [Staplers Take Over the World]

[Lazy Shirou]

include cakez onj that as wel prob that's it

[Lazy Shirou]

it was our reads

now bye fr

soem people if town need to try mor in this game imo

p-edit: oky

[Lazy Shirou]

your norwee read better be right cuz that dude is cooler than a bloc of ice right now and the room is on fucking fire

i don't think i tr him that much anymore fwiw

being stubborn is a very town trait of him so i can somewhat understand him sticking to titus even ali said that, but i felt a bit alone there when i was about to literally die here

[Lazy Shirou]

if you kill me first i just want to say you should kill either shea or psyche next and if they're town we can just wrap up this game as a clown party

[Lazy Shirou]

it was a bit funny and all to say ali/me were scum before like "hahahaaha that would be too obvious"

now it's not anymore.

[Lazy Shirou]

i wasnt calling you scum for that

you just look like you're too fucking cool for being in a burning building

We've literally had two lims I'm not sure why people are panicking and I feel like we have a pretty good shot to hit scum here?

lol?

lfmao, even?

[Lazy Shirou]

how can ANYONE think this game is "going well"

[Lazy Shirou]

If Shirou stops having a mental breakdown i can listen to their most convinced scumread too.

do you want me to fake confidence and just push someone though?

i'm not sure i'm that confident on anyone and it's so ridiculous that shea or whoever is voting me thinks i'm scum here and psyche is town and I'M NOT aggressively/confidently pushing him on a situation where it's me vs him

[Lazy Shirou]

no one is listening to me at all and town is going to lose this game because of it.

yes shea, the problem is that we didn't listen to you on alisae before so when people began to vote her she got so anxious and replaced out

if it wasn't for the replace out if you're town and she is as well as i think you would prob have mislimmed her and we would be getting into ELO right now, as we're again with your push on me

definitely what we need is to listen to you when it seems you were wrong on ali as well

[Lazy Shirou]

im

so lost

StD i don't necessarily scum read you atm but at the same time can you stop hopping on wagons like that if you're town?

it's creepy that you always just hops and unhops of them as they gain momentum and all of those wagons seems to have been on town so far, including the one you're on now unfortunately

[Lazy Shirou]

are you scumreading shea?

kinda but i've said since d1 that i like to read him when there's more info, we haven't found scum yet but i kinda do egoistically want him dead tbh bc if he scum that's great and if he's town he can stop scumsiding as he has already been kinda proved with ali

[Lazy Shirou]

i could just stay on you

then stay on it i'm so done with this game if my wagon is ever mostly town

[Lazy Shirou]

this aint good faith.

what isn't good faith is you saying we need to listen to you when you were just kinda proved wrong on ali

we would be on ELO by listening to you if it wasn't for basically out of game influence

[Lazy Shirou]

so if 6 teams chain shoot each other and we give the money to enchant does anyone have a problem with that? im open to other teams or something but i figure that's the best way to control it and not just have chaos

also i'm sorry enchant, you're cool, but although i don't town read the guy as strongly i think i would rather give money to pooky here by this point

at least i can trust pooky to try using his money in good way for the gamestate if he's town

[Lazy Shirou]

if i trust in someone to try saving this game after i'm potentially dead if he's town, it's pooky

i think he deserves the money the most out of the people relatively town read

[Lazy Shirou]

{gamma, cakez, shirou, psyche} my new solve

if you think i'm scum with psyche somehow can you vote him please?

[Lazy Shirou]

do you think dunnstral's going to keep his vote there

well i don't know but i can try convincing him

do you think other people are going to vote there

if i start hard pushing it and accept the responsibility for this game, perhaps

idk if i'm mentally prepared rn though

[Lazy Shirou]

if it's gonna be either me getting mislimmed for the second time ever anyway or psyche dying first and then maybe being mislimmed or not tomorrow, i'm just starting to think i may as well attempt to hero this clown game

[Lazy Shirou]

if me/ali were wrong on psyche it's not the first time i'm the clown anyway i guess

[Lazy Shirou]

i think i may be able to convince pooky to vote psyche with the argument of this being the best clown game ever if he's town

maybe

[Lazy Shirou]

Shirou or Psyche

why me over psyche

like, what makes you suspect me more than psyche?

[Lazy Shirou]

no offense but StD reads feel so random and honestly bad that it feels kinda town man

[Lazy Shirou]

i'm sorry.

[Lazy Shirou]

you had better reads than me by the end of white flag

if you're town here it happens to anyone i think you just have the wrong mindset of the game rn

[Lazy Shirou]

being wrong about titus does not make me bad

i didn't mean it like that i told Alisae in the PT that i would have hammered titus as well she was pretty scummy

[Lazy Shirou]

i am really trying to do right by this game which requires me to switch every five seconds because i'm really doubting my reads after titus

i do not think that is bad play

fair. sorry i'm just being cheeky and frustated with the votes on me

[Lazy Shirou]

that's fair

im really sensitive to being called bad tbh

i don't mind being called an asshole because i know i'm not an asshole

but it hurts when someone calls me bad because i'm still trying to figure out if im any good at mafia

u are i think u mostly only voted scum in white flag by d2

you suspected me wrongly there as well idk if you can read me i don't remember your read on me in dance game

[Lazy Shirou]

i kinda want to attempt a hero or throw in this game atp ngl

[Lazy Shirou]

i just don't have the mental energy after white flag yet

i'm recharging

p-edit: yeah relatable, it sucks when you push a strong read super hard and it flips green. MariaR PSTD

[Lazy Shirou]

and also:

I also don't really understand why some people are so sold on Psyche scum

i don't see it bc the problem is exactly that no one is "*so sold*" that psyche is scum/never flips town

it has a bit of a PoE element to it, even to ali/me

[Lazy Shirou]

Alisae?

[Lazy Shirou]

oh i think that may have been a different dance game huh

[Lazy Shirou]

[psyche/cakez]

maybe sheep

i think if all are town i just officially suck

i'm interested on norwe and anyone not voting yet takes on those slots

[Lazy Shirou]

sometimes i hesitate a bit on cakez bc i liked him early on but i think u posts suck rn cakez sorry if wrong

[Lazy Shirou]

random topic but rate my new avi people

i think it's very charming

[Lazy Shirou]

StD vs Gamma feels like reverse Gamma vs Cakez

how the world goes around regardless of anyone alignments

[Lazy Shirou]

StD vs Gamma feels like reverse Gamma vs Cakez

how the world goes around regardless of anyone alignments

What does this mean

someone annoyed with how another person has historically read them?

[Lazy Shirou]

Also Cakez, why are you voting Shirou if you are scumreading Alisae. Do you actually think it's SvS?

he already said it's wagonomics

[Lazy Shirou]

Was that how Cakez felt about it? I thought he was just upset about dying early again

i think he said you just suspected him in most games but maybe i can be misremembering, i don't think i'm though

[Lazy Shirou]

i wish this game didn't have challenges bc right now it would prob be competing wagons between cakez/me/psyche i think

[Lazy Shirou]

it's so easy to justify voting someone that isn't supposedly your top suspect in this game due to the challenge nature of it

it gives a free pass for scum to just sit on certain votes bc "well those are the unique options"

i've said this in multiple games i think but i really love competing wagons between my scum reads bc it's rather telling to see what people choose imo

[Lazy Shirou]

ok so gun mini-game we need to sort that out as well

the suggestions for who should receive the money have been pooky/gamma and enchant

StD's idea isn't bad, maybe we should all agree on shooting the player down your own slot in the playlist, and the bottom slot shoots the top one

and we skip the team we want to give money to?

[Lazy Shirou]

and we skip the team we want to give money to?

one person of the team i guess

[Lazy Shirou]

If Enchant last player:

Shea > HC
HC > StD
StD > Norwe
Norwe > Cakez
Cakez > T-bone
T-bone > Pooky
Pooky > Gamma
Gamma > Psyche
Psyche > Shirou
Shirou > Dunnstral
Dunnstral > Shea

if Pooky last player:

Shea > HC
HC > StD
StD > Norwe
Norwe > Cakez
Cakez > T-bone
T-bone > Gamma
Gamma > Enchant
Enchant > Psyche
Psyche > Shirou
Shirou > Dunnstral
Dunnstral > Shea

[Lazy Shirou]

i didn't doublecheck the above someone should

just an idea

[Lazy Shirou]

oh wait enchant shouldn't win it

scum team wins if everyone is dead i thought it had to be one person standing

[Lazy Shirou]

i mean maybe that would be a scum claim though still if someone didn't shoot according to the plan

[Lazy Shirou]

as long as it's two people from the same team they still win the game i misread it

enchant is fine on second thought

[Lazy Shirou]

otoh i think i do wanna hang on to the alisae read too though

yeah and this is kinda the take cakez has as well how surprising

[Lazy Shirou]

the unique good point you've is that norwee early read on me/pooky was indeed weird, but there was no reason for him to not just maintain it if he wanted to get on my good side imo so i'm not sure it's scum indicative for him, we do kinda treat each other as town until proven wrong in general

i also think norwee is a bit too calm at some points but this is just bullshit:

sheep hasn't read the thread yet. is this also norwee's excuse?

Sheep hasn't posted it's just a fact and HC has really low content on their ISO. I also don't have much of a read there it's rather PoE

[Lazy Shirou]

People I could make an unsatisfying case for as scum:
Haschel Cedricson
Titus (though I think I'm plenty close to a read on this slot)

it was a nullread! why we are limming the people in the middle of our lists

this was also bullshit i was just tired and scared to push it too much

[Lazy Shirou]

People who I feel quite certain are town:
Enchant
Shea
pooky

People who at least put on a decent show of it (I can't rule out that they're scum, but imo there's no good case for it):
gamma
SirCakez
T-Bone
Shirou
Save The Dragons (caveat: this one's iso is imo around as fluffy as mine!)

People I could make an unsatisfying case for as scum:
Haschel Cedricson

Titus (though I think I'm plenty close to a read on this slot)

People who I could easily case as scum but yknow whatever:
NorwegianboyEE
Alisae

Titus wasn't at the "middle" of your readlist, it was near the damn bottom, but you just get here after titus flips town and tries to shade the wagon

woah yall really flipped titus over me? so kind. no, so impatient. egh.

[Lazy Shirou]

i think you got in an awkward position right now where you're forced to push norwe bc your intended push on alisae doesn't quite work anymore due to the replace out

[Lazy Shirou]

i think you got in an awkward position right now where you're forced to push norwe bc your intended push on alisae doesn't quite work anymore due to the replace out

to be clear, bc he had those two in the bottom of his readlist

it's just puzzling to me why he isn't pushing me yet but maybe he doesn't think he can win?

idk, i'm not as easy of a target as ali/norwe imo but still

[Lazy Shirou]

the titus thing is actually one the main things i think psyche is scum for to be honest

i just don't think it's something people will believe at but saying titus was your "nullread" when she was near the very bottom is just trying to look better on her flipping town and i think it's pretty fake

[Lazy Shirou]

it's classic 101 scumming

you may have hinted on agreeing to titus being suspected before but as soon as she flips town the wagon shouldn't have happened

[Lazy Shirou]

i don't like to reveal some of my detail-heavy reasons for scum reads sometimes bc they don't look too convincing but it's really hard to believe this post comes from town

woah yall really flipped titus over me? so kind. no, so impatient. egh.

this post kinda hints that maybe ?flipping him? would be better than titus and he had her as a scum lean

then he says he still has ali as a suspect after the rep out and i think that's the scum agenda to not let ali/dunn leave the lim pool

[Lazy Shirou]

it's not bullshit. why would i hang on reads even i understand have weak basis

i don't understand what you mean here

you had suspicious on titus and still seemed to dislike the wagon happening at all rather than *yours*

you talked like as if us flipping you would be better than flipping titus and that feels lamist to me

[Lazy Shirou]

it would be lamist even if you town leaned titus but i think it's much worse for you to talk like that when you weren't confident on her being town

[Lazy Shirou]

i would rather flip anyone other than my own slot except on very specific circumstances, i think that's standard for most on most situations

[Lazy Shirou]

i was scared of being wrong on you but the more you post the more i feel like you're looking to shade someone rather than solve the game and if me/ali are wrong on you, let's just wrap up this game by this point

i'm starting to get tired of defending myself here or hesitating

i think i've been one of the main focus of a challenge it's been over a week

[Lazy Shirou]

i wrote the above before psyche posted fwiw

gonna read now

[Lazy Shirou]

oh ok so first lines and i'm already surprised

there's no scum motive in asserting titus was a null read after his flip. you've identified something you think is an inconsistency due to wording that sure i can see might be misleading, but connection to a scum win condition is not there.

so there's no scum motive to being LAMIST? i wonder why it's a word/slang in the first place then. surely, it's bc scum do it sometimes and i think it's the case with you here

the contribution to scum wincon in your head is that trying to seem reasonable by calling titus wagon bad-ish will make you look better but unhappily it doesn't and i don't think scum!you would be very aware of that

[Lazy Shirou]

this post kinda hints that maybe ?flipping him? would be better than titus and he had her as a scum lean

such a silly take. yeah im so racked by guilt for being scum that i'm making freudian slips

?

i've no idea what you're implying here i'm playing mafia not psychology pls

[Lazy Shirou]

also really? sat on this complaint about my titus post all this time bc of shyness? i am legit the wagon right now. of course you're gonna end up on mislim after mislim if you just sit on impressions w/o talking about them

i would have no problem voting/compromissing on either furtive or titus back then but for circumstances it weren't my main pushes, in fact i haven't flipped one single strong push of mine so far since i gave up on ali before

i'm not sure i would consider you a strong push though, it's like, medium push and i'm just tired of the game/apathy

[Lazy Shirou]

like, you're trying to shade the town flip wagons again to look more reasonable

you were pushing ali tho and i think most people see with the replace out that she's prob town here

you were also voting a mislim apparently psyche, saying we've been unreasonable for voting titus/furtive is the same narrative shea is trying to spin here by saying scum is "controlling" the game with the town flips and that he needs to be listened to

[Lazy Shirou]

i say we but i don't even think i was on those wagons either your point is moot towards me

i was pretty invested on ali at some point tho

[Lazy Shirou]

I have feeling Gamma will shot me in the face

tbh i think they'll not follow the plan if we try to make you win bc they'll try to get revenge on you yeah

would be kinda funny sorry enchant

[Lazy Shirou]

i think it's dumb to only be able to eliminate null reads in games w 150 pages

WHAT NULL READ

YOU WEREN'T NULL READING TITUS THAT'S NOT THE POSITION OF A NULL READ NEITHER WAS ANYONE VOTING HER DOING ANYTHING BUT SCUM READING HER

[Lazy Shirou]

I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU'RE STILL ARGUING YOU WERE NULLREADING TITUS

[Lazy Shirou]

it's almost too scummy to be scum but i'm not hesitating i looked at the mirror 5 times tonight and i told i was killing y ou and finding out if ali/me were wrong or not and just accepting the throw by dying tomorrow potentially

[Lazy Shirou]

i don't think lamist is a real tell anyway. as if only scum could ever have motive to complain when a town is fucking up.

it's not about the complaint, it's how you did it, hinting that it was bad we killed titus rather than YOU

when you know your own alignment but shouldn't know titus

i've already explained this at least twice

the sad thing imo is that when i flip you'll still think lamist is a real tell just like people are still riding on "no content" as a lim basis after titus flip. you'll just go on being like that. all failure, no growth

i'm not pushing you for no content atm i think some of what you posted so far deserves scum points

[Lazy Shirou]

i kinda just want to know if me and ali were onto something as well by this point

[Lazy Shirou]

you aren't voting me yet to be OMGUS but it's funny that you aren't naturally voting me if you suspect me but first trying to make it not look scummy

[Lazy Shirou]

it was bad that you killed any of us unless there was a pressing deadline

DMWIQMDIWAFNMIAWFNIANFIWANI

IS THIS REALLY SCUM OH MY GOD IT'S SO LAMIST

[Lazy Shirou]

i call him lamist and he doubles down on it idk what to make of that

still scum lean it tho

[Lazy Shirou]

also i'll repeat to stop shading me bc i don't think i was around to vote in the furtive wagon and i didn't have time to hammer titus so technically i didn't kill either of them

i just don't disapprove their deaths

[Lazy Shirou]

it was bad that you killed any of us unless there was a pressing deadline

DMWIQMDIWAFNMIAWFNIANFIWANI

IS THIS REALLY SCUM OH MY GOD IT'S SO LAMIST

i will not let you forget this post after the game

making a call to the ego is the most effective way to get me stop screaming for your death out of fear

not bad psyche

[Lazy Shirou]

I’m not inclined to follow a plan because I think a plan would be scum sided
I’m pretty much over the previous event’s shenanigans atp

well uh, i disagree because i don't think scum can do something without scum claiming if we follow a plan in this event but if that's what majority ends up wanting i don't have enough energy to fight back in this game

[Lazy Shirou]

Who has enough money to teamswap rn

i think enchant or norwee

[Lazy Shirou]

Let's focus on blasting mafia. By they way. Can we send SirCakez?

you've the money enchant no one can go against the money in this game but if i can beg for something is for psyche to be kept in the pool for competing wagons at least

but if you suspect me and would rather keep me, fine i guess

i don't dislike cakez at all as well

[Lazy Shirou]

passing to see the last posts before sleeping and just wanted to say

bruh shirou has never scumread you the entire game

i kinda did actually at some points, but if we're talking about deadsheeping i wouldn't bet on shea yeah

i think it would be either psyche or cakez

[Lazy Shirou]

i think shea posting had been somewhat good early on but he just insists on me/ali no matter what and if psyche or cakez is scum i don't know if shea is also scum or if he's just town stuck in what i consider wrong tunnels

if i don't consider shea to be "town siding" in a game it's hard for me to parse his alignment with confidence

[Lazy Shirou]

i think it would be either psyche or cakez

maybe sheep depending on what he posts actually

i once did a secret meta dive on sheep in mystery box of silver where i was next level tryharding, i think the private topic is still around although not released

i wonder if it's worth taking a look although it's been years

[Lazy Shirou]

shirou would you be ok with getting yeeted today and deadsheeped tomm?

who is ever ok with getting yeeted pooky, especially when i want to preserve the historical low amount of mislims

i would rather it be an attempt at BoP because if by any chance i'm right on cakez or psyche, my death would feel meaningless, and if i'm wrong i can at least say a part of me dying is objectively my fault tommorow

but i'm not the one to decide who dies today, so if between [me, Cakez, Psyche] people think i'm the scummiest one, deadsheeping feels ok i guess

[Lazy Shirou]

I got to E-1 before psyche did yesterday fwiw, and then when psyche was about to happen there was a quickswitch to titus

saying psyche has been an easier wagon than me just isn't true, i've been suspected since d1 in this game and wagoned since d2

[Lazy Shirou]

the reason it may feel like psyche is getting more pressure is simply because I AM (and alisae also was) applying the pressure while psyche isn't as loud as either of us

[Lazy Shirou]

okay but you're alive and titus is not

??????

I WAS COMPARING MY WAGON TO PSYCHE'S WHAT DOES TITUS HAVE TO DO WITH THIS

[Lazy Shirou]

i don't think there's as much resistance as me as there is people waffling on psyche and dunno how it looks to you but from my pov this does feel a bit like a scum wagon yeah

it's not look that great tomorrow voting me here, and if it happens that psyche is indeed scum ( i feel like it's a bit of a coinflip but the best i've tbh) and is limmed next, then it would look even worse two days from now

at least that's how i'm seeing the current gamestate

[Lazy Shirou]

I am literally the only person pushing back against psyche. Almost every other person who has talked about him besides cakez has expressed at least lukewarm willingness to lim him.

and yet a lot of them didn't vote him or took awhile to do so

[Lazy Shirou]

yes shea, yes...

[Lazy Shirou]

shea u aren't using actual arguments by this point

you're just trying to emotionally convince people to vote with you bc you supposedly know better in this game

[Lazy Shirou]

i don't think u know better by pushing me/ali nope

[Lazy Shirou]

Also you just TMId alisae's alignment but you've been doing that basically all of today so its nothing new.

so you can think psyche is town and is a mislim but i can't say ali is a mislim or it's TMI?

look at what kind of stuff u are pushing.

[Lazy Shirou]

you're not making arguments either, you're just doing pop psychology bullshit and throwing shade.

yes i didn't actually give reasons to scum read psyche by his individual content or by the circumstances of his wagon shea

that's exactly the case mhm, it's just been pop psychology even if i don't know what pop psychology is

[Lazy Shirou]

Also you just TMId alisae's alignment but you've been doing that basically all of today so its nothing new.

the more i look at this post the more i feel like it's bad faith at this point

assuming ali is a mislim bc she's one of my stronger town reads is TMI? really?

you aren't doing the same thing by assuming the people i'm pushing are "mislims" and the game is being "controlled by scum"?

[Lazy Shirou]

full turbo clown game bus

all passengers should confirm their tickets

[Lazy Shirou]

maybe bus is too slow of a vehicle

this is likely a goddamn train if psyche is town

[Lazy Shirou]

air-jet isn't out of possibility

p-edit: good buisness fire

[Lazy Shirou]

ok does any1 here actually think cakes is town

not really

[Lazy Shirou]

and shea was prob wrong on ali pooky, and i know he's also wrong on me

[Lazy Shirou]

he posted 29 times the entire game i feel like he's posted 29 times to say he was catching up this game

If this is accurate I would call it suspicious of Psyche
I think perpetual “I’m catching up” posts are a scumtell

he didn't do it every post but he's often promising more content later yeah

[Lazy Shirou]

gamma can you please don't unvote though...

[Lazy Shirou]

like i know alisae's mindset

ali loves playing scum and loves having thread control and loves dunking on towns with thread control.

also i think she said she disliked playing wolf in the PT bc it gave her anxiety actually

like, worrying about your own position in town or your teammates

but dunno, i think old alisae may have been like you described

[Lazy Shirou]

i meant in this game he posted a bunch saying he was catching up

in the other game, he posted 29 times total

oh.

[Lazy Shirou]

cakez is cool and all but i like the gamestate feeling of psyche wagon

i think u need to be drunk to say this wagon has no resistance

i'll repeat i got to e-1 faster than psyche did yesterday

[Lazy Shirou]

enchant doesn't want to "waste money" swapping though, so we either need to wait for mini-game to end for a cakez swap or norwee needs to do it

from norwee's reads though he would swap me, and if it's swapping psyche for cakez i'm not sure i agree on that

i think cakez is individually more scummy to me but i've rarely struggled this much to kill someone not loud and i think that's interesting

[Lazy Shirou]

also i forgot to do anything this round in the mini-game

[Lazy Shirou]

in fact maybe people should claim if they shot anyone

who shot enchant

[Lazy Shirou]

having internet issues rn

i hate my internet provider

[Lazy Shirou]

I am on mobile because a fucking truck destroyed the internet cables in front of my house

I am so fucking pissed and now that I am caught up again + the stress that this game has been giving me I will prob be toxic

Not sorry

[Lazy Shirou]

?Sorry? but the first thing I am gonna say is that shea if town needs to stop throwing a tantrum, if you shot pooky or gamma and they crossfire you, if scum dayvigs the last one a bit before deadline they get the money

If there is only one minigame per dayphase like it seems to be, if norwe is scum like you believe he would be guaranteed to not be in the pool for today then

Out of all people you have been tunneling since the start only norwee may or not be scum so far

You need to holster it and give the money to pooky/gamma, or have fun risking no swap

They already want the same swap anyway shea, i dont understand your issue with it

[Lazy Shirou]

At least one of Cakez/Norwee may be scum, the latest pages line up with that, but I dont see how their partner isn't dunno, 80% of the time just psyche

[Lazy Shirou]

Cakez progression on psyche/me has already been commented, but Norwe now swapped Cakez when PSYCHE was about to likely die

Norwe also kept insisting on titus as the psyche wagon almost went through yesterday, refusing to vote psyche with me "even if I (shirou) had to die first"

I dont know exactly who psyche partners are right now, all I know is that whenever psyche gets close to die SOMETHING always happens and the guy lives

Be it Titus flash wagon, Cakez swap and now potentially a norwe swap

[Lazy Shirou]

If psyche flips scum as I expect ATP, I think the titus wagon would be interesting to look at, and that includes Norwe for the enthusiasts

[Lazy Shirou]

There's no fucking way that a wagon that is about to be deflected for the third time is town

I am starting to get into deathtunnel mode

I dont know for sure if cakes is scum, if norwe is scum, if people on the titus wagon were scum, but I do know that all other suspects have a LOT of equity with psyche and we NEED to KILL IT by this point

Fuck me/Ali if we were wrong by this point but literally half the game keeps waffling and switching from psyche

[Lazy Shirou]

I have NEVER had this much trouble killing a non loud slot before

p-edit: who are we talking about specifically gamma? I am not exaggerating when I say half the PL seems to have some equity with psyche by this point

[Lazy Shirou]

I dont care if cakes or norwee is the other team by this point, all I see right now is that if they are scum one of their buddies gotta be psyche by now

p-edit: but I already explained some of both, I'm on mobile now to full case, and psyche isn't flipped yet anyway

I dont think I am wrong on this but I have learned I always can ne somehow

[Lazy Shirou]

Who’s the one that shot first in Shirou v Alisae that second round, was it Shirou or Alisae?
Point is, I think there might be something here where the Alisae clique is only 2/3s scum.

You mean who started pushing who? I pushed Ali first

[Lazy Shirou]

I was talking about swapping my own team amidst the furtive thing but I was on vla

[Lazy Shirou]

Cakez, norwee and anyone on titus wagon before

If you are town consider voting psyche please

[Lazy Shirou]

I dont know for sure if cakes is scum, if norwe is scum, if people on the titus wagon were scum, but I do know that all other suspects have a LOT of equity with psyche and we NEED to KILL IT by this point

this is so boringgg. do people just not have scumreads anymore? how many more info lims until it's finally scummiest slot goes?

you're the scummiest slot, by a large margin

[Lazy Shirou]

To be clear I dont think psyche is the individually scummiest slot in the game, he gets that award for how most have acted towards his wagon contextually

[Lazy Shirou]

All the more individually scummy slots btp like sheep, cakes or norwe have resisted this so therefore psyche total equity is higher on my mind

[Lazy Shirou]

VOTE: psyche

Thanks gamma

[Lazy Shirou]

I gotta sleep now but I also don't know if it's impression but psyche seems to mostly pop-up when we talk about him

[Lazy Shirou]

if norwee is scum with psyche why would he switch shirou for sircakes instead of psyche for sircakes.

That's a good question and I don't think norwee is the most likely partner right now although possible

I think if psyche is really scum and norwee was a partner, he couldn't afford to not swap the team he town reads (me/ali) rather than psyche which he claims to not have much of a read on

Psyche wants to vote him though, so if the plan was to bus why isn't norwe not doing so? I think that's the question

[Lazy Shirou]

Busing while the other avoids you sounds pretty awkward so I am scared of norwe just being town here before I can see psyche flip

[Lazy Shirou]

if psyche is scum why doesnt he and his team just vote shirou out with tsq/tbone

I think psyche/cakez/shea/tbone somewhat makes sense as a team, most of them would already be voting me, but that can still have some town on it

I think the plan has switched to voting norwee out when they couldn't get me so I don't care about flipping anyone else anymore until I have confirmed my hunch on psyche

And also pooky, I almost got voted ou the day before, psyche just wasn't here to hammer

[Lazy Shirou]

you don't really have any good reasons to townread NorwegianBoyEE, it feels like some desperate handwaving from you atp to flip Psyche instead of Norwe

Cakez/Norwe are the DISTRACTIONS to psyche, I dont really townread either of them but psyche is the better vote today

[Lazy Shirou]

Tbone please don't swap the vote you and shea are just wrong on me and may as well be on norwee

Can you both stop scumsiding if town? Both of you are so annoying in this game.

[Lazy Shirou]

Hopefully you/shea are just scum though

[Lazy Shirou]

if shirou was votable right now I would be voting Shirou
however shirou is not votable right now
i feel like this is pretty straightforward

Cakez was open to voting psyche yesterday, he just "preferred" me

[Lazy Shirou]

I have already explained why psyche is the best vote today to me

If you or shea are town I'm also just trying to see if I can change your minds

[Lazy Shirou]

Both cakez/norwe feel like deflections, if cakez is scum here he is always scum with psyche

If psyche flips town I would bet on cakez being town as well, it's hard to see him having equity with others to me atm

[Lazy Shirou]

like you're still alive

r u scum?

I am alive because I am loud, psyche however has been deflected multiple times

The way he survived so far are due to "coincidences"

[Lazy Shirou]

why r u even telling t-bone to shut up if you think t-bone is scum

If you or shea are town I'm also just trying to see if I can change your minds

[Lazy Shirou]

also psyche shirou isn't even a 1v1
both could be scum

Also this

If you think somehow I am scum do know i am always scum with psyche here and this is all theater so you should vote him anyway

[Lazy Shirou]

I'm decent at scum, I definitely would make this theater with psyche if we were scum together so if you scum read me help me scum reading/voting psyche as well

I am getting desperate on convincing people by this point, I am tired of this game, I am accepting any argument you may have to kill psyche including associatives with me

[Lazy Shirou]

Did trying to figure out the entire team from the start go well to me in white flag/dance game?

No pooky, so I can figure out the "team" later if it's not what I told you

And if psyche flips town I need to rethink this game completely...

[Lazy Shirou]

also another thing for the psyche evidence pile is Penguin being pretty scummy before leaving

+1

[Lazy Shirou]

I am aware that if psyche is town this game is a scum win bc I prob go next pooky, but look me in my anime eyes and tell me that I'm the kind of man to second guess himself after he made up his mind

I have been voted and called scum since the start of this game, always needing to defend myself and struggle to not be mislimed while people tunnel me, and then one of the people keeping me good company reps out prob because of something I said

I just want this game to be over if we were wrong on psyche by this point

It's not hard to understand, I am pushing the reads me/Ali had before

[Lazy Shirou]

I just want to get out of this if I'm being a clown again it's really that simple

When I get like this only death can satisfy me

[Lazy Shirou]

ive seen you be wrong as town too many times to bet the fucking game you're right this time

...

Ok.

[Lazy Shirou]

I just want this game to be over if we were wrong on psyche by this point

It's not hard to understand, I am pushing the reads me/Ali had before

ive seen you be wrong as town too many times to bet the fucking game you're right this time

This is objectively true but I am not the only one that has been wrong am I?

[Lazy Shirou]

If you're town as I think you're by this point u have no right to say that to me pooky

Look at your leads in this game so far and also on our last experience

[Lazy Shirou]

I'm trying my best.

UNVOTE:

U guys do whatever you want now

[Lazy Shirou]

sorry if thats rude

im wrong a lot too

thats why i like to put in a lot of work to figure things out and ill change my mind like 15 times a day phase before i get something i feel clicks

That was objectively accurate but yeah I'm hurt and I did put a lot of effort in my reads here

I'm just not posting every little thing

[Lazy Shirou]

who is scum then pooky

[Lazy Shirou]

look maybe you're right and i'm wrong

tell me why you think psyche is better to flip than norwee here

look maybe you're right and i'm wrong

tell me why you think psyche is better to flip than norwee here

i'm at work rn can't talk much yet but basically it boils down to norwe/cakez not looking very aligned and both doing things that seem associative to psyche in my view, and psyche himself wanting norwee to be yeeted while norwe seemed more indecisive on him, and then cakez also is willing to vote psyche now though

it feels like the titus dilemma, i thought titus was scum with psyche back then but that wasn't the case and going for who i think may be a partner rather than the main scum read can be a mistake

maybe i'm being dumb and psyche is town but it's where i'm at rn

[Lazy Shirou]

i'm not interested on either cakez or norwe today, i just want psyche

VOTE: psyche

[Lazy Shirou]

clap clap clap

good shooting out there folks

[Lazy Shirou]

I always wanted to shoot people online since I was a kid

Shame that I forgot to do it

[Lazy Shirou]

Can I still shot psyche tho except it's not laser but an online real gun?

also dont ask me what is an online real gun

[Lazy Shirou]

They say third time is the charm

VOTE: psyche

[Lazy Shirou]

I'm voting psyche tomorrow regardless of what norwee flips so

I'm rather indifferent to it or cakez before psyche

Pray that this is right I guess, it could be

[Lazy Shirou]

If Norwe is town shea/tbone scum equity rises as well I think

P-edit: you were mad?

[Lazy Shirou]

Oh okie

[Lazy Shirou]

If norwee is scum though, cakes is town here right?

There's prob no "mastermind" in the scum team to risk a swap like that just to disassociate while banking on me keeping focused on psyche

It's just not the kind of play you often see

[Lazy Shirou]

One of cakez/norwee confirms the other as town, I think this is kinda an OBJECTIVE take regardless of anything

[Lazy Shirou]

If Norwe is town shea/tbone scum equity rises as well I think

P-edit: you were mad?

If norwee is scum I'm coming for your ass.

And if he flips town?

[Lazy Shirou]

This won't count towards my read count on him if he's green, I'm not the one voting him

[Lazy Shirou]

The sheer speed of this wagon is just like titus

Individually I think norwe can be scum but there's 0 resistance to doing him today rather than psyche right now

[Lazy Shirou]

This won't count towards my read count on him if he's green, I'm not the one voting him

what even is your read on him

Could be scum for not doing much but I know what he's up to IRL and that could or not be affecting his activity

I'm not sure what norwee flips basically, could be either result

[Lazy Shirou]

I wanted to first confirm if I'm not delusional on psyche before moving into sorting norwee

There's still time to do so but by this point I doubt momentum could change

[Lazy Shirou]

If norwee flips town I want everyone to just let me lead the next day basically

P-edit: LOL

[Lazy Shirou]

i.e. I think you're scum either way, which is why I was only interested in going after norwee after it became completely clear I wasn't getting you.

NORWE FLIPPING TOWN STILL MEANS IM SCUM

ALI FLIPPING TOWN STILL MEANS IM SCUM

yeah sure shea

[Lazy Shirou]

If tomorrow shea/tbone/whoever tries to lead on me on a norwee town flip It's a scumclaim and I'm murdering you for it

I deserve a push of my own tomorrow if this is also wrong

[Lazy Shirou]

It's not about being right necessarily, it's about me not getting a single flip I really wanted in this game.

Norwe may be scum but he may also not, I believe a lot more on psyche though and if you're town frustrated you couldn't kill your suspects, imagine me for a hot second.

[Lazy Shirou]

I literally deserve the psyche flip for how much effort I have put in this game. I deserve to see if I'm right or wrong on him before the game has ended or I am dead and it's not "my wagon" anymore

[Lazy Shirou]

If you're town here and I am right on psyche, regardless of norwe flip you seem to want to deny me my most confident read that would make me really happy if right basically

[Lazy Shirou]

The sheer speed of this wagon is just like titus

Individually I think norwe can be scum but there's 0 resistance to doing him today rather than psyche right now

You're resisting

Gottem

Yeah tbone/shea have been right about everything, definitely

Idk norwee alignment but I know my own and if you're both town it's gonna be funny to see the excuses in postgame

[Lazy Shirou]

I don't know why you think that will elicit an emotional response from me. While I do care about getting my reads right it's also just a game and I'll just say I either played well or I didn't and then compliment other players for playing well and that's that.

I didn't mean to offend either of you if town, sorry. I wouldn't hold grudges beyond being cheeky in postgame yeah

But still

[Lazy Shirou]

I didn't mean to be toxic to either of you if I'm being...sorry yeah

[Lazy Shirou]

ill follow u on psyche if norway flips town

I can hammer then and if town we finally try psyche

If norwe is scum we have 2 mislims anyway so if people do me first at all it's not a losing scenario

[Lazy Shirou]

just hammer this idc anymore

Neither do I by this point I guess...

Let's see then

VOTE: Norwee

[Lazy Shirou]

I surely have gotten popular.

[Lazy Shirou]

I know no one will prob buy it today but the reason pooky was killed rather than shea is simple:

Pooky was relatively amenable to me recently. I believe this all has been a frame attempt by shea and it's gonna be clear after my flip.

Shea is probably scum.

[Lazy Shirou]

Shirou I really hope you're scum because if you're town I'm going to be legitimately upset at how you basically didnt listen to a single word I said this game.

Neither you did if town. Do you really think I act like that towards a partner? There's still time to reconsider giving me one flip if you're town.

Sure Norwee was scum but I had already said he may be scum with psyche

[Lazy Shirou]

I can give it to you shea but I would need my PC for that, which I will only likely have tomorrow night or saturday

[Lazy Shirou]

I know no one will prob buy it today but the reason pooky was killed rather than shea is simple:

Pooky was relatively amenable to me recently. I believe this all has been a frame attempt by shea and it's gonna be clear after my flip.

Shea is probably scum.

You're right dude, I, at what is almost elo, while under no pressure whatsoever, decided to fight two different elims to make sure it went on to my scum buddy.

Like is this a serious argument or is your wolf skin showing?

Why was pooky killed rather than you then shea

You're the obvious NK if I'm scum

If you aren't framing me someone else is

[Lazy Shirou]

Because you fucking killed him my guy so you could make this argument.

If someone is trying to frame you in particular they sure are committed to it, what with how you also got the money in the first mini-game despite people saying they didn't vote for you.

This is a fair point from YOUR POV if town shea

I understand no one believing me today, but it will be clear later that someone is trying to frame me, you just were the first person to come to mind

[Lazy Shirou]

If you all want to wait for me to have a PC for full thoughts before being yeeted it's up to you

I do want to give last thoughts if possible

[Lazy Shirou]

I feel like its rare from weak scum, I don't think Shirou is weak scum.

And I was still "caught" this easily shea?

[Lazy Shirou]

To be clear I'm being cheeky

Yeah and it will look kinda dumb one week from now but /shrug

[Lazy Shirou]

Well goodnight for now

If possible I would like for some to unvote me because I really want to leave some legacy stuff before likely parting but it may be asking too much huh

It's just kinda uncomfortable to want to say stuff later but perhaps never be able to because someone can quick hammer

[Lazy Shirou]

The more I think about it, the more I realize I'm rather disappointed with myself again so far

I try my best and it often doesn't feel like it's enough but It's okay I won't be a drama queen this time I will just chat later and then likely peacefully leave

Maybe I just really suck at this game

[Lazy Shirou]

I just dont have my PC again yet

[Lazy Shirou]

man i can't be happy of having proper internet connection after almost one week of not being able to talk properly be it here or with my friends on discord

ok

[Lazy Shirou]

i said i would effort here once more after i was done catching up with some people and doing my duties on my social games

[Lazy Shirou]

i just felt happy and wanted to do a bit of theatrics but you want boring only-serious post mode? ok

[Lazy Shirou]

i'll let the thread remain dead until i've the time in a few hours then, or if someone hammers me by this point

[Lazy Shirou]

ok re:reading it a bit it was certainly over the top even for the shirou metric but damn people you don't know what it's like for a hyperposter like me to be limited by those stinking freaking touchscreens

a keyboard warrior like me needs its main weapon

what is a knight without its sword huh

[Lazy Shirou]

i'm starting to write my previous "town case" on norwee that existed on my mind but i just wanted again to say something that you may rightfully accuse of being WIFOM given you don't know my alignment yet, but from my POV is something important to note for later:

if i was scum, out of Pooky/Shea/Tbone the correct daykill would be shea or tbone that were much less amenable towards me overall if you don't take into account the Shirou vs Pooky thing in the first pages of the game, so although theoretically it could be a WIFOM attempt from scum!me from your povs, i know that to be wrong and know that if shea/tbone are town that means there's scum in the "shadows" trying to kill me for awhile now.

i think pooky dying is a bit weird for another reason though, if the plan really was to mislim me as it looks like by this point to me, even though pooky was more amenable he was still likely to vote me today. Why not kill enchant instead that is also a strong townread for most? i think after my flip confirming this analysis to come from town, you may want to take a closer look at enchant and maybe don't let him reach endgame...?

[Lazy Shirou]

It's actually surprising mafia bothered to waste one of two kills instead of saving them.

true.

[Lazy Shirou]

VOTE: shirou

this is just depressing by this point...

this game went wrong on so many levels i wouldn't even know how to start. if anyone thinks this was a miserable/frustating game for town like pooky, you may be in for a trip in the scum PT later.

there was a single thing i had some pride for and it was my scum game, but now it feels like a rather cruel and bad joke.

some things are better left to post-game though...there's many things to be said in post-game here i think.

[Lazy Shirou]

fuck this game

[Lazy Shirou]

Did you just claim mafia

yeah, wanna guess why?

i don't think it needs a hint

[Lazy Shirou]

if only some people did their job