Legends of the Buisness Company [Staplers Take Over the World]

[Gamma Emerald]

I think this game starts to crumple at the seams for scum once one of them flips even with them having 2 kills available

[Gamma Emerald]

dude you've been voting for shirou and saying psyche is town for fucking days and now you're just fine flipping psyche?

Yeah I can't fucking vote for Shirou anymore obviously and I've always said Psyche has a chance of being scum and I think that went up with Norwes ass swap and I'd much rather lim Psyche then t bone or myself obviously

Why not TBone?

[Gamma Emerald]

enchant -> cakes -> psyche

Is that your solve?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay
My shots have been Norwee > Shirou > holstered

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I think Norwee and Cakez have good partner equity

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I think Norwee and Cakez have good partner equity

Wtf?

Maybe don’t flip your sticks so badly at scum controlling the thread tempo
Your outrage feels like how I acted in the first round of Slaughter Hour: lots of overblown reactions at shadows.

[Gamma Emerald]

?Sorry? but the first thing I am gonna say is that shea if town needs to stop throwing a tantrum, if you shot pooky or gamma and they crossfire you, if scum dayvigs the last one a bit before deadline they get the money

If there is only one minigame per dayphase like it seems to be, if norwe is scum like you believe he would be guaranteed to not be in the pool for today then

Out of all people you have been tunneling since the start only norwee may or not be scum so far

You need to holster it and give the money to pooky/gamma, or have fun risking no swap

They already want the same swap anyway shea, i dont understand your issue with it

Holy shit Shirou is actually town.

[Gamma Emerald]

At least one of Cakez/Norwee may be scum, the latest pages line up with that, but I dont see how their partner isn't dunno, 80% of the time just psyche

What associations are you seeing there?

[Gamma Emerald]

Who’s the one that shot first in Shirou v Alisae that second round, was it Shirou or Alisae?
Point is, I think there might be something here where the Alisae clique is only 2/3s scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have NEVER had this much trouble killing a non loud slot before

p-edit: who are we talking about specifically gamma? I am not exaggerating when I say half the PL seems to have some equity with psyche by this point

Cakez or Norwee, rn.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: psyche

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I think Norwee and Cakez have good partner equity

Wtf?

Maybe don’t flip your sticks so badly at scum controlling the thread tempo
Your outrage feels like how I acted in the first round of Slaughter Hour: lots of overblown reactions at shadows.

why am I not allowed to get tilted lol

The tilt feels wrong, is the problem
Remember how early on, I got upset at being pushed by folks I’d scumbinned already? That’s the sort of thing I’m seeing

[Gamma Emerald]

if psyche is scum it doesnt really matter where psyche shoots

I think it matters if psyche shot at me and not you or Gamma? Like I do find the idea that scum wouldn't try to prevent you and Gamma from winning 1400 coins tough. I'm not ready to clear psyche or anything but I'm ready to lim whomever between Norwee and Shirou you ultimately swap back in and hope that's it's not you or Gamma, which is the only other logical explanation.

i dont know if you can go as far as to say all town but it rules out at least the teamed scum scenario for me

But yeah I agree it rules out teamed scum.

I don’t think scum!Shirou posts the sniper plan publicly

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbone please don't swap the vote you and shea are just wrong on me and may as well be on norwee

Can you both stop scumsiding if town? Both of you are so annoying in this game.

[Gamma Emerald]

what sniper plan

The one relating to this event

[Gamma Emerald]

I specifically asked Pooky to swap out Not Chesters for Wolf Pack if he was doing it
Anyway:
VOTE: Norwee

[Gamma Emerald]

I specifically asked Pooky to swap out Not Chesters for Wolf Pack if he was doing it
Anyway:
VOTE: Norwee

Pooky actually had a reason for his choice so I’m not as mad about it as I initially was

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah a little bit
If you’re surprised that’s probably for the best. See my signature if that confuses you.

[Gamma Emerald]

If Norwe is town shea/tbone scum equity rises as well I think

I think I agree w this

[Gamma Emerald]

The sheer speed of this wagon is just like titus

Individually I think norwe can be scum but there's 0 resistance to doing him today rather than psyche right now

Psyche hasn’t had much resistance either

[Gamma Emerald]

Shirou I really hope you're scum because if you're town I'm going to be legitimately upset at how you basically didnt listen to a single word I said this game.

I don’t feel like he is. Dunnstral might be though.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't know if you notices but the guy who protected shirou and who was protected by shirou flipped scum dude

No I noticed non of that in fact there have been no posts between that one a referenced and now

I feel like scum protecting each other like that is rare.

[Gamma Emerald]

I just don't think Alisae's rep out comes from scum. I know it sucks that this is my biggest argument for town alisae but I feel like the game state was pretty favorable to scum when alisae repped out so I have a hard time seeing that emotional reaction coming from scum.

Are we certain the replacement was for tilt? If yes, then I’ll drop it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Of course I'm not certain, but that was my read. Do you disagree?

I don’t think going off an uncertain replacement motive is wise. What strikes me is Dunnstral’s entire lack of a presence in this game.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well goodnight for now

If possible I would like for some to unvote me because I really want to leave some legacy stuff before likely parting but it may be asking too much huh

It's just kinda uncomfortable to want to say stuff later but perhaps never be able to because someone can quick hammer

If you can stay on for a moment I should have something for you, just so you don’t get hammered out of the blue.

[Gamma Emerald]

reading std is the weirdest ever

obvtown (game start) to obvwolf (flailing when ppl first sus him) to obvtown (midgame) to obvwolf (treatment of shirou v. psyche round 1) to obvtown (start of d3)

literally impossible to iso because every 1-liner can only be read in contex

Atp I think I’m just going to treat Shirou/Norwee/Dunnstral as Town because if they’re scum we just lose

also this could be such a bad perspective that it's just minus townpoints
which is really strange because I remember talking to gamma 20 pages later and thinking her worldview was remarkably similar to mine, something to flag

I was pissy because it felt like no one was going there, so I posted that sarcastically

[Gamma Emerald]

All these squares make a circle.

[Gamma Emerald]

Same

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Shirou
Yeah I’m not gonna stand on ceremony if he’s just gonna return and post THAT.

[Gamma Emerald]

i just felt happy and wanted to do a bit of theatrics but you want boring only-serious post mode? ok

You did promise final thoughts

[Gamma Emerald]

I would like to flip alisae slot i think.

Alright. I mean, I’m fine to keep killing in the original solve as long as we keep hitting scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: All mentions of PT talk from Shirou

Getting increasingly suspicious of alisae's LAMIST entrance followed by nothing.

id challenge alisae but i dont want to be accused of being a thief also i got flamed last time for challenging early

You can't kill alisae yet regardless of her alignment

Our PT is too fun for that, I promise it's gonna live up to Shirou & Meuh in post-game.

This is the other big part of my scum read of you. The insistence that these two slots are town when i see very little reason for that whatsoever.

what's the difference between my read on norwee here and in dance game? everyone was suspecting him and i correctly called him town there

open flag just ended and a lot of people also thought my read on norwee was bullshit, i think StD even called it "more uninteresting than a random number generator"

no one gets how exactly i read norwee in the details because as i explained in the recently finished white flag game, i try to not talk on details some of how i read him in the first place. i'm not gonna personally tell him how to fool me next time although little by little i've been sharing some details that he could use against me in the future

i think his meanness in norwee vs pooky is still his town game, and i believe what alisae posted in our PT still significantly comes from town more often than not as well, she was really annoyed on being suspected and being slightly mean in-thread due to it

i'll be honest that i don't believe much in the psyche wagon at this point because it was a bit of a random read from me for the fact PP contributed the least in the entire game before replacing out, but alisae/me have been sharing some interesting stuff in the PT as well and i think maybe it's worth sheeping her

VOTE: psyche

my heart doesn't necessarily scream this is scum at all but /shrug

it's the best i can do atm

ali being mean isnt even town indicative lol wut

norwee being mean/pushing back is town indicative

what is town indicative for alisae to me in the PT is her feeling

bad

about herself due to being only

slightly mean

to shea (honestly shea i think you were meaner in the reply but blegh let's not enter this discussion)

it's prob game relevant to discuss what alisae posted in the PT but at the same time i'm trying not to bc...it feels a bit personal

I have skimmed the nonsense that happened while I was out.

Titus flip was bad. I want to vote shirou still because of my ego but I something about Alisae's quick challenge and the way they voted despite apparently having a strong town read there combined with all the other stuff gives me pause that shirou is town who is being used by alisae.

i believe

objectively

speaking people can argue that alisae is scummy here and i cased her before but

i gave up on that read bc i don't think the breakdown she had on our PT comes from a wolf, it's really incredibly hard for me to believe on it shea

i

felt

her pain bc sometimes i get emotional in-thread and end up acting in ways that i don't feel pride for (and this game per se is an example i guess)

i felt like i was seeing a lot of myself on her, i can be wrong but i don't think i'm and honestly deepdown i'm just scared of looking like a clown again but i don't want to let go of this read because it's not one of the few i still hold with some confidence atm

because i hinted on townreading her for the emotional thing pages ago in our PT rather than her actions, and said i would have hammered titus if she hadn't so it would be easier to push psyche if she wasn't being voted/suspected

it's not impossible to be wolf guilty or something because it felt so random, but she's likely just town though and i'm sorry i voiced that when you probably were already anxious from the current gamestate ali

~Mod Fixed Spoiler Tags

Did you check the other account?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah there’s content under it that relates to that matter

[Gamma Emerald]

So the implication is that I'm mafia and I've read more of the thread than I let on, and am pretending to not have read it.

Okay... why would I do that?

the implication is that you have a scum PT and just slipped up by showing more knowledge of the game than you should have.

I guess a more reasonable explanation is you have your team PT so its not like a smoking gun or anything.

I've read the game from the point I've replaced into.

This is my answer to that.

Your lack of awareness for who you replaced makes me question the veracity of that.

[Gamma Emerald]

Your lack of awareness for who you replaced makes me question the veracity of that.

There is not a single point in this game where I did not know who I replaced.

It really felt like you did.

[Gamma Emerald]

Whats your solve right now gamma?

I’d say it’s Dunnstral and Enchant for the people I most think are scum rn, but Cakez is still in my solve due to both Norwee and Shirou flipping scum. As long as names in (Norwee, Shirou, Dunnstral, Cakez) keeping turning up red, I’m gonna keep killing in those names.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would Norwee swap in SirCakez though?

To make Psyche happen? Idk
VOTE: Dunnstral
I’ll do this now

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma still angry because of flag duuuuuuuh

ehhh nope
I think Pooky was sussing you before he died?

[Gamma Emerald]

Switch "Team Hyperpost Meta" with "Team Not Cheaters"

This is swapping Shirou and I for T-bone and SirCakez, and leaving Psyche in

At the time it was looking like the elimination was going to consolidate onto either Psyche or Shirou

I don't think that T-bone was likely to be voted for, so is this a power play to swap in a bunch of townies while mafia is close to winning, making SirCakez town, or is this wifom

I am leaning on this being a power play and Sircakez being town

there wasn't really a lot of sentiment against Cakez atp so I can see it being WIFOM

[Gamma Emerald]

Also it feels like StD has done basically nothing recently in terms of an actual solve which is weird because with two scum flips in a row I'd expect town to be more energized not less.

I felt like there was something anti-partnery between norwee and Fenrir

[Gamma Emerald]

its not about them faking it, its about the fact that I don't think dunn is capable of faking that recap with all the details in the right places. There's so many details that are exactly correct for what was going on at the main thread at the time and I just don't think that kind of fakery is likely.

If that is the case I believe we are indeed looking at a break down of what shirou and alisaes PT looked like and if thats true do you really think that's what a scum-scum PT looks like? What's the benefit of them faking all of those conversations? I can think of literally no benefit. So if I believe that dunn is telling the truth about what is in the PT there's no way alisae's slot is scum.

I believe I’ve seen scum fake interactions for expressly this purpose in an offsite game. Can’t tell because the private chat was never released.

[Gamma Emerald]

Flip psyche after me please that's all I ask

This feels incredibly weird to just post out of the blue

[Gamma Emerald]

Should I team swap one of Enchant/Fenrir in?

[Gamma Emerald]

Lazer Tag

Living Players (5): Gamma Emerald, Psyche, T-Bone, PookytheMagicalBear, Thestatusquo

Round 3 Ends In (expired on 2023-02-01 14:45:00)

I want to say all the slots in these 5 are town because otherwise scum see me and Pooky still in the minigame and take one of us out. It makes infinitely more sense they simply couldn’t do anything to stop us at this point.

[Gamma Emerald]

Lazer Tag

Round 1 Results:

NorwegianboyEE has been Shot!
Dunnstral has been Shot!
Enchant has been Shot!

Living Players (9): Shirou, Gamma Emerald, Save the Dragons, Psyche, T-Bone, PookytheMagicalBear, Sheepssaysmeep, Thestatusquo, SirCakez

Round 2 Ends In (expired on 2023-01-31 14:45:00)

Maybe the team is (Norwee, Shirou, Enchant, Dunnstral) and they all got basically wiped off the map in the minigame round 1.

[Gamma Emerald]

swap Team Johnson’s for Team Holmes under the Hammer

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: enchant

[Gamma Emerald]

So I was too lazy as scum to submit a shot in lazer tag, but I fabricated post 4879?

Several people missed shots, myself included in the third round. And I don’t believe you fabricated anything, I just don’t see how those posts make you town. Shirou also posted hood contents, and he flipped scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

I make Gamma Hated

Amazing, I think that doesn’t even do anything rn. So I’d say “nice job wasting your money” but I think you just get refunded.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah what
I can do it if I have to but from the spontaneity of previous swaps I thought you just posted it and it happened.

[Gamma Emerald]

Negate challenge is also pretty irrelevant when compared to team swap

[Gamma Emerald]

swap Team Johnson’s for Team Holmes under the Hammer

This should work now.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Enchant
VOTE: Enchant

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re really dedicated to keeping the narrative on the flag subject.

[Gamma Emerald]

No, I just think you’re reaction to Shea’s slip call-out is ass.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes? That’s a bit loud!

[Gamma Emerald]

Please don’t.

[Gamma Emerald]

We’ll get there when we get there but I never make that Pooky kill as scum, not unless Shea’s my buddy at least.

[Gamma Emerald]

Please don’t.

OR ELSE?

Jesus.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m sorry, you tried to buy

what

?

[Gamma Emerald]

We I’ll get right on that.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah that was my thought as well

[Gamma Emerald]

This is comical.

[Gamma Emerald]

if psyche is green it doesn't change the fact that gamma/t-bone are who i would look at next. cakez i guess could also be scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Where did you disprove it

[Gamma Emerald]

i tr you in temple game

One instance out of a lengthy history
Also it isn’t really that exceptional that you townread me in that game, most people did, only furtive really didn’t.

[Gamma Emerald]

and white flag i tr you but i dunno if you want to count that since we barely interacted since i replaced in and you died early

Both of the games you cited were recent. Temple game finished before this started but White Flag didn’t.

[Gamma Emerald]

And mafia, having asked the mod about the scum box earlier or having more information about it in their role pms to start perhaps, would already know that?

Like if I'm scum and theres something called a scum box that I am responsible for setting a price for I would expect information about what that means to be in my role pm and if not I would ask how it works immediately?

I can verify what Enchant and Fenrir are claiming about the box is true but it changes nothing for me

[Gamma Emerald]

nah psyche is an innocent child

What is your read on the gamestate?

[Gamma Emerald]

and white flag i tr you but i dunno if you want to count that since we barely interacted since i replaced in and you died early

Both of the games you cited were recent. Temple game finished before this started but White Flag didn’t.

the point is you're wrong, you can take that or not but facts are facts

My point was historically you have been bad at reading me. LN 235 and Situation Room being key examples.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think if StD is partnered with a non-enchant person it is gamma.

I have been pushing for Norwee death for like 90% of the game. I have also been vocal against both heads of Hyperpost. Hypothetical Scum!me is playing the most potato game on the planet here.

[Gamma Emerald]

and white flag i tr you but i dunno if you want to count that since we barely interacted since i replaced in and you died early

Both of the games you cited were recent. Temple game finished before this started but White Flag didn’t.

the point is you're wrong, you can take that or not but facts are facts

My point was historically you have been bad at reading me. LN 235 and Situation Room being key examples.

got it. you got 2 examples, i got 2 examples. I guess my facts are wrong?????

i actually have a third example i can't seem to find but if i do my facts will be bigger than your facts so ?????

You’re approaching the subject in the wrong way. I’m not saying you’re wrong on those games, I’m saying you’ve been wrong in the past.

[Gamma Emerald]

if that's your solve then the entire scum team + dunnstral was on psyche at one point

Hyperpost Meta vs Board of Mis-directors vs 3.07

Pysche (5): Dunnstral, Shirou, Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons, NorwegianboyEE ,
Dunnstral (1) : Psyche ,
Shirou (3) : T-Bone, SirCakez, Thestatusquo,

Not Voting (3): Sheepssaysmeep , Enchant, PookytheMagicalBear,,


With 12 Alive, It Takes 7 to Eliminate.
Deadline for challenge is (expired on 2023-02-11 10:45:00)

Mod Notes:

Do you think you might be wrong on Psyche?

[Gamma Emerald]

but if i've been right more (or as) often then wrong saying i have a history of misreading you is disingenuous...

sampling bias is a real thing
I’ve probably put more weight on the times you’ve been wrong.

[Gamma Emerald]

so pretending like i can't read you is just inaccurate whether you want to admit it or not

im not saying im reading you correctly here or anything i'm saying there was a time i was always scum reading you and there was a time after that where i correctly read you at least 3 times and you're choosing not to count

Okay, I acknowledge that, but those games did not stick in my mind as examples of you reading me right
This is not the first time I’ve done this in this game, even.

[Gamma Emerald]

I recall you scumread me in this game early on before a lot of those reasons came up, so they feel like nonsense

Also, I am confused now because I remember you being read as suspicious in the aftermath of my lim in Situation Room but you voted me. I guess the most logical conclusion is that town was just bad, I recall Dusa was also sussed after I flipped despite her interactions with me being clearing ime.

[Gamma Emerald]

No I can’t find a game where both of us were in 5p together either

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah i just looked it was literally because you got weird when i voted shirou

I think I had solved Shirou and Alisae as TvS and thought Shirou was the town atp

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?t=86642

Oh riight that game was fucking idiotic
Literally, I kept getting shitpushed for T3 interactions that I had zero control or influence over, but people couldn’t actually bite the fucking bullet and flip me at a point that wasn’t game-losing

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the suspicion on me here is just as bad as in that game.

[Gamma Emerald]

I haven’t really been pushing you at all recently. My PoE atm is (Dunnstral, Enchant, Cakez)
It’s Shea who’s pushing you here, not me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes. I specifically chose my team swap to put the people I suspected up for votes.

[Gamma Emerald]

What is this spew cred Cakez has?

[Gamma Emerald]

i'd vote cakez in a heartbeat but i don't think dunnstral and enchant are scum

what happened to alisae's replace out being AI? i thought i was the only one who thought it was NAI and i got pushback trying to convince other people of that (i don't remember who all was on that stance so if it wasn't you my bad)

I never really thought much of it
Shea did put stock in it for a bit but has now changed his mind (tho he’s now apparently TRing the hood sharing, which is explicitly a bad thing to TR imo)

[Gamma Emerald]

just remembered another reason I'm not scum with shirou: the bolding incident that happened I believe early round 2

[Gamma Emerald]

this incident led into the PT citing Shirou did that informs my pov on Dunn's PT recitation btw

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma can u explain ur reads a bit

Which ones?

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma can u explain ur reads a bit

Which ones?

idk anything is good

me/std maybe

Okay, later probably

[Gamma Emerald]

K guess I'll keep doing nothing when we could be flipping cakez

I'm not voting enchant or dunnstral

I’m good to flip Cakez
Is it preferred, not really, but he’s in my PoE so I don’t mind it

[Gamma Emerald]

Please for the love of pickles switch out Enchant though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbone why don't you vote people why do you insist on hammering

This is patently untrue? T-bone placed a non-hammer vote on Shirou.

[Gamma Emerald]

Shirou was scum

This sure feels like how he was playing with Titus

How who was playing with Titus?

[Gamma Emerald]

Sheep, what is shaping your PoE rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma Emerald
Thestatusquo

Psyche
T-Bone
sheepsaysmeep

Save The Dragons
SirCakez

Dunnstral
Enchant

I think this is a rough snapshot of how I see the game rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Shirou was scum

This sure feels like how he was playing with Titus

How who was playing with Titus?

Tbone

Hesitant to vote townie Titus but willing to hammer

Speaking of which, why did you decide to use a doublevote against her?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it's been beat to death

I was going to swap the teams

Tbone says do double vote instead and I'll join you on Titus

Why did you decide to listen to TBone?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why did you think Titus was scum?
What swap were you going to make before you were convinced otherwise?

[Gamma Emerald]

Just for the record I think I tr you in "I designed this in 2019"

I don't really remember I would have to look through the thread so if you can wait a bit I'll get you an answer

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought freedom was scum. I didn't like Titus posts. I think scumreading me for not remembering a phrase that Titus exclusively uses is ridiculous. I didn't like her interactions with psyche at the time, I thought she was trying to sandbag him.

I probably would have swapped shirou and alisae for shea and haschel at the time

Absolutely filthy

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I have zero qualms with killing Fenrir now.

[Gamma Emerald]

All I did was express annoyance at you continuing to beat the dead horse of the subject of your read rate on me, and say your idea to swap Shirou’s team for Shea’s team in round 2 was filthy. Your reaction feels excessive.

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re being a right fucking c***.

[Gamma Emerald]

or maybe i'm fucking depressed and get emotional and tilted sometimes

What on earth made you think it was a good idea to provoke me after I clearly indicated I was in no mood in the 2019 game postgame discussion?

[Gamma Emerald]

you act like you wanted to engage with me but all you wanted to do was call me names and get pissy with me and shit what the fuck

I was trying to sort your motives in this game. I think they’re openly scummy.

[Gamma Emerald]

like

i didn't swap shea/haschel in

i didn't actually do that

i did the double vote thing instead

it's a hypothetical

i might not have done it

so you can't just say "oh he's scum because he was trying to kill shea" because that's obviously not what happened in any realistic world of what's going on in the game

so what

what is it

tell me

I think Titus was a bad vote at that time. I didn’t see what was scummy about her or about Freedom.

[Gamma Emerald]

You did more than anyone else by using a doublevote.

[Gamma Emerald]

Titus (Elimination - 7) : NorwegianboyEE , Enchant, Save The Dragons, PookytheMagicalBear, Save The Dragons, T-Bone, Dunnstral

The only person here that hasn’t flipped that I trust more than I distrust is TBone.

[Gamma Emerald]

What have you done to get scum killed?

[Gamma Emerald]

Not Cheaters vs Board of Wolf Pack vs 3.14

Save the Dragon (0):

NorwegianboyEE (7-Elimination): Save The Dragons, Gamma Emerald, Thestatusquo, PookytheMagicalBear, T-Bone, SirCakez, Shirou,

T-Bone(0) :
SirCakez (0) :

Not Voting (5): Sheepssaysmeep, Enchant, Psyche, NorwegianboyEE, Dunnstral,


With 12 Alive, It Takes 7 to Eliminate.
Deadline for challenge is (expired on 2023-02-11 10:45:00)

Mod Notes: Mis-directors has been swapped for Wolf Pack

Johnson's vs Hyperpost Meta vs 4.01

Shirou (6 - Elimination): T-Bone, Sheepssaysmeep, SirCakez, Gamma Emerald, Shirou, Enchant,

Dunnstral (0):
Sheepssaysmeep (0):
Thestatusquo (0):

Not Voting (4): Psyche, Dunnstral, Thestatusquo, Save The Dragons,


With 10 Alive, It Takes 6 to Eliminate.
Deadline for challenge is (expired on 2023-02-14 10:45:00)

Mod Notes:

You were on Norwee but not Shirou, and I’m not inclined to give you much credit for Norwee as you had vocalized suspicions of him well earlier and it would have been a terrible look for you to not vote there.
You’ve also been trying to push out Psyche repeatedly despite the wagon having at least two scum at its peak.

[Gamma Emerald]

anything else or is that not good enough for you

I have been very open in my efforts to kill scum and have found success in my efforts I think

[Gamma Emerald]

cool story sis

do you not know what a bus is

I think if you think scum bussed like that you’re off your rocker. The only way I see Psyche as a bus is if you’re scum here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gimli can you please make yourself useful?

[Gamma Emerald]

what do you make of the interactions between me and Fenrir?

[Gamma Emerald]

what do you make of the interactions between me and Fenrir?

I'm reading through and I've never seen STD so angry before (maybe briefly in pairs mafia w maria) and I've never seen you so angry before. I can't parse through the emotions to draw a lean, though. I'm sure this game is an infuriating mess for everyone involved.

but like, what do you think of fenrir's emotions here, do you feel like they're genuine and therefore more likely to come from town, or you're just disregarding that or you think he can be both frustrated and be scum?

I'm disregarding the emotional posting rn
I'm instead trying to stay focused on the contents of his posts

[Gamma Emerald]

Shirou was scum

This sure feels like how he was playing with Titus

Yeah Shirou was scum. Who I advocated voting for for days. How I played Titus was because of you.

Didn’t catch this on the initial pass

[Gamma Emerald]

It was the exchange where we were stuck on Day 2 lim and StD offered to spend coins on a double vote to get Titus limmed. I said I would follow if StD did that, then StD said he'd do something else which I wasn't comfortable with, (the aforementioned putting up Shea to force people to vote Titus) and then StD said he wouldn't buy anything because he thought I would make an excuse to waste his coins. Then we both did what we'd say we do. At that stage of the game I thought StD showed conviction to get a player he allegedly scumread eliminated, which is why I agree to this plan and followed through.

‘sall good

[Gamma Emerald]

cool story sis

do you not know what a bus is

I think if you think scum bussed like that you’re off your rocker. The only way I see Psyche as a bus is if you’re scum here.

im sorry you think 2 scum bussing psyche is unreasonable but 3 scum bussing their last partner is reasonable?

am i really supposed to take you seriously

I believe that a half-measure makes less sense than going all-in, yes.

[Gamma Emerald]

I call dibs on issuing the next challenge
PEdit: what

[Gamma Emerald]

what do u think abt std/cakez? if ur villa then those are definitely the two wooliest to me

wolfiest* autocorrect

Heh

[Gamma Emerald]

Doesn't humble you at all huh

>:/

[Gamma Emerald]

is anyone even surprised that enchant was town? that was fucking dumb

>:/

[Gamma Emerald]

cakez pg ~182-184 is really bad, all the "let's please just hang psyche rn instead of swapping in norwe first, even tho norwe is absolutely wolf and also my first choice vote is shirou"

This is true

[Gamma Emerald]

I do accept if Cakez is scum I've been willfully ignorant. A lot of what I have found helpful from Cakez has been in our PT so I get why that doesn't look great out here.

Can you give a brief summary?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why didn't you challenge Gimli?

I’m guessing you meant this to be @Fenrir

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: cakez
Not a fan of his recent positions

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay we have to back up a bit. I had a theory prior to Furtive being limmed that explained a Furtive/Shirou scumteam. I think this is where I started talking to Cakez about my reads in more detail. I remember Furtive being so incredulous that anyone would not rank their own team first. And I thought that lined up well with why we got blocked, because I very openly was not ranking my team first. Like we know that Hyperpost was not first on everyone's list, so I thought the block on us was crucial to Hyperpost winning (and it still might have been we'll find out later). Anyway there may still be a chance that scum thought like Furtive.

Anyway after Furtive got flipped I asked Cakez if I was making a mistake on Shirou like I did Furtive or if I had a good reason to think Shirou town. Cakez said he thinks Shirou is town because Pooky is scum. Then I explained why I think Shirou is scum in short. Cakez offered that one of Shirou/Pooky had to be scum. He said he finds everything Pooky says scummy, then asks me to explain more on Shirou. I do, and then Cakez said he can get on board. Then I asked him to forget about Pooky and explain his Shirou town read. He said he liked some posts and thought Pooky's push was scummy making Shirou town. Basically a reiteration of one scum in Shirou/Pooky. Then FB posted the start of the flag mini game and we haven't spoken since.

If you're wondering about that, neither of us posted for round 1, Cakez posted guard round 2 and I said maybe we should steal from Shirou, and then neither of us responded so we also didn't submit for round 3. You are now all caught up on our PT.

I've also made my reads publicly known so its not like he or anyone could be confused by them. At least not more than I am lolol

That's where we were. After that we received the coins from flag game. I asked Cakez what he thought about StD. I said I don't know what StD is doing because scum are having a perfect game and he's worried about scum bussing. I asked Cakez if I was giving StD too much credit for spending coins on the Titus lim. Cakez said he is scummy but could also be town based on other flips. I then posted about how I was thinking about my 3.0 reads and that I was stuck on Shirou partners, and so I spitballed what I eventually did post to the thread. Then the lazer game started, and I said we should shoot Shirou's team. I didn't get a response and I don't think Cakez ever submitted. After that Cakez said in response to my 3.0 reads spit balling that psyche had to be scum unless the scum team were galaxy braining, but he wouldn't commit hard to that read yet. He said the resistance to Shirou and the amount of counter wagons was suspicious. Then we moved on to prisoner's dilemma. We both agreed to cooperate. Then I had a brief bit of paranoia about not getting coins because maybe Cakez screwed me, but it turns out FB was just late and we both cooperated. Then during the last challenge we discussed whether we wanted to swap StD in or not. Cakez says he wants to but feels someone else will keep swapping so he feels kinda stuck. Then I suggested one of us could try to hammer Enchant when FB was around so that we could post the challenge against StD before someone else could. Cakez said he didn't want to hammer Enchant, and that he felt someone in his town pool was pocketing him. I just said I was pre-flipping Enchant as town in my head in response, Cakez says he agrees but it would be nice if Enchant is scum. Finally I said if Enchant is scum I think the game ends as it'll be too hard for the last scum to hide. You are now caught up again.

Could you please break this up to make it more readable?

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh it’s not necessary, I got through it

[Gamma Emerald]

What was galaxy-brain about scum in the world where Psyche is town, Cakez?

[Gamma Emerald]

I haven't thought too much outside of the implications of the psyche slot. In a world where all scum is bussing psyche i think std is probably the most likely partner there also.

absolutely same

[Gamma Emerald]

i have a friend in the psyche was potentially bussed world?

i remain absolutely confused why 2 people bussing is impossible but 3 people bussing is possible.

As I said before, it’s a matter of sunk cost
if Psyche-slot was a bus the other remaining scum is probably stuck on pushing there

[Gamma Emerald]

im not confused as to why 3 scum would bus i'm more confused why 2 couldn't but 3 could

Because what the fuck is the last scum doing in that scenario?

[Gamma Emerald]

Thanks Captain Obvious!

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh my fucking god you are the worst type of person
STOP BEING SO FUCKING PETTY!!!!

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma: STD's list is conspicuous as fuck
also gamma: 3 scum bussing is not conspicuous as fuck

The above post is responding to this
Why the fuck are you so focused on old-ass events, Fenrir?

[Gamma Emerald]

i don't think i've done anything wrong and yet you continue to call me names

I feel like you’re playing in a deliberately provocative manner, same as I felt about Frogsterking in 2019 game

[Gamma Emerald]

im making a point

this video expresses how much your “point” that you’re making matters to me
You’re not accomplishing anything besides just being awful. So stop fishing for bullshit to throw at me.
PEdit: well I still am not over you bringing up your read on me in 2019 game when I had already conceded that your read rate on me may not be as bad as previously posited. That just felt like a really awful thing to do.

[Gamma Emerald]

Whatever. I think my problem now lies more with Shea than Fenrir.

[Gamma Emerald]

Regardless of what Fenrir was doing, I felt like harm was meant for me and reacted maybe a bit harshly but in an attempt to defend my emotional welfare. If you have a problem with me trying to avoid letting myself be trampled…I don’t even know what I can say on the matter.

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?p=13456046#p13456046
This is not the first time I’ve had a reaction like this. The response I consistently get from people when I express these sorts of things feels incredibly dismissive. Past a certain point, the issue becomes less about the intent of the initial action and more about the distress it caused.

[Gamma Emerald]

SIGH

[Gamma Emerald]

Who all has said I’m scum
I’m gonna prove you all wrong soon.

[Gamma Emerald]

If you're upset feel free to tell someone you're upset. That does not give you the right to lash out at them and it helps no one when you do.

Just stop. I don’t care for this discussion atp, save it for postgame.

[Gamma Emerald]

i apologize for the distress and i will drop it

i guess we've also beat to death this topic of bussing with 2 vs. 3 but i still don't understand that viewpoint.

maybe we all just kill cakez or me at this point i guess whichever people think is scummier

Yeah ig
Tbf if either you/Cakez flip scum I’ll probably want to flip Gimli next. I think I have a lock-on regarding why Psyche was chosen to be bussed in that universe.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gimli is really killing me here

I think I want to lim in StD, Gimli, Dunn

Can you give a short explanation why you think it is Gimli or me

Or point me to where you do

Why are those the reads you ask about?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why not?

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like you were swapped in so Psyche would die

[Gamma Emerald]

Wow this game seriously quiet
Did I bring the mood down by being too belligerent?

[Gamma Emerald]

Not really
Honestly I was hoping for a unique item when I saw the event title

[Gamma Emerald]

No I wasn’t you absolute boob
I was town neighbor death friendly neighbor. My town status was etched into the game.

[Gamma Emerald]

oh.

I just realised I made a terrible mistake that game. you were imaginality's slot? I thought you were furtive slot? and I hardcleared furtive.

that means maybe I can read your emotions well.

I was bianco’s slot.

[Gamma Emerald]

I really wish scum would fire their second shot some time soon, so I can either clear this game out of my mental real estate or redouble my efforts.

[Gamma Emerald]

8 players and 2 of them are scum

first order of buisness: check out who piled on enchant and, amongst them, who should know better.

Ftfy

[Gamma Emerald]

Does anybody want to dump all their money for any reason?

how do I know how much money I have?

Check what challenges you/Titus issues (which is none)
Check which elim wagons you/psyche/penguin were on
Read mod ISO in your team pt for event cash rewards

That’s how it works I think

[Gamma Emerald]

Holmes vs Hyperpost Meta vs 5.06

Dunnstral (0):

Enchant (5 - Elimination): Thestatusquo, Gamma Emerald, Gamma Emerald, Sheepssaysmeep, Dunnstral, Enchant,

Not Voting (4): Gimli, Save The Dragons, T-Bone, SirCakez,



With 9 Alive, It Takes 5 to Eliminate.
Deadline for challenge is (expired on 2023-02-18 16:45:00)

Mod Notes: Enchant is now loved. Gamma Emerald is a double voter.

TSQ played pairs mafia with town!enchant. TSQ, have you ever played with scum enchant before?

was gamma in the pairs game?

sheep, what was your read on enchant? did you think he was scum, or were you just trying to save dunnstral?

I guess dunnstral is going to vote for his own counterwagon so that's fine.

I was not in pairs (which I will be calling NYDP from now on). I think it filled when I was still in retirement, or close to it.

[Gamma Emerald]

I will say my method to sort enchant was personalized for a time but probably isn’t rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I like gimli’s efforts so far.

[Gamma Emerald]

Suspect i know which side std and cakez will come down.

Fenrir has a vote out? I reread up from the last VC and didn’t see him pull his vote from Cakez

[Gamma Emerald]

I did finish both iso's

cakez is just a lot more wolfy than std lol
nothing deeper than that

How wolf would you say they are without any comparison to other slots?

[Gamma Emerald]

Was hoping he’d flip scum so I might have been shot

[Gamma Emerald]

Enough names I thought were scum have flipped town that I want to bring a more critical eye to this game

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel gutted rn
I’ll still try to sort things but my heart isn’t in it aorn

[Gamma Emerald]

Who do you wanna swap to?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ngl, I think sheep’s approach to this event is hella weird

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm gonna start this party by ISOing myself to see if any leads stick out as worthwhile now

[Gamma Emerald]

You seem to think I'm ?scum? when I wasn't trying to powerplay?

i think you're scum because you're openly trying to get t-bone to vote me via a manipulation tactic that is scummy af and i also found your mech analysis pretty lacking tho i was willing to ignore that because you said you wanted to chillax this game.

why do you have your panties in a knot over 1 singular vote
if anything villagers should be open to the idea of using their vote to apply pressure
it's not like the vote is going to make or break your wagon

I don't get the issue

really weird framing here

address the concern
VOTE: pooky
not rly interested in this PvP mindset bullshit of attacking back and my main concern is I don't see how what you are describing is wolf indicative at all

mmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

this is the first thing that feels like it might have tangible value that I came across (went to the page it was on from my ISO)
I think alisaeslot being scum would mean tbone almost has to be town
otherwise I feel like this heat that pooky was getting doesn't make sense

[Gamma Emerald]

also I think just in general tbone played very out in the open early on and that feels antithetical to basic scum strategy I think?

[Gamma Emerald]

what is the points status of everyone (outside the shitty prisoner's dilemma rng game)?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think T-bone is just town here
Norwee seems to have been really trying to create an angle where his nudge of T-bone to vote Pooky made sense

[Gamma Emerald]

His or Shirou's, actually, but whoever did it isn't that important given it's assured that it was a scum that did it and it's a scum trying to justify it

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a theory but it's a verified trash fire so I'm holding it until I think it might actually be real.

[Gamma Emerald]

@gamma
Why would the first thing you do be bus a partner when you could just not do that and probably get away with it

@shea
I do stuff sometimes

@alisae
Yeah you got a point and maybe I should be more wary but it's definitely not where I'm interested in going at this time.

I could see a reason to why I'd bus cakez immediately but I want to save explaining it for after he posts again

did I ever do this, I don't think I did
I don't really remember the logic to this rn
actually wait I just dug it out of my brain: if cakez was looking like he was going to play in a way that might reveal multiple scum I would aim to silence him before he could do that

[Gamma Emerald]

He said that he had a bunch of things he thought about the optimal play for this setup but when I asked him for it he told me he would tell me later if he thought I was town.

Like its possible that scum would make that play but to me it seems much more likely that scum would be trying to pocket me in the PT rather than do something like that.

Eh idk I think this was kinda how my interactions with Ythan went in the last run

has your hood been elaborated on here at all? I think it might have but can we get an update in the case more has happened?

[Gamma Emerald]

I said me and pooky agreed but I was the one who really had skin in the game

That makes it a bit better but it's still beneficial for a scum!Pooky to let you do it

I don't think town!Pooky necessarily says "maybe it's too early" though, my bigger issue with Pooky is just how he has been behaving in the thread in general

ftr I think it's sus you made that comment, and that's also why I said it like that in the first place
I also know from last time he played with me that he wouldn't be very obstructionist as town, unless maybe if he strongly disagreed about challenging the team I had in mind

this is not the BIG reason I'm not scum here but I think gotcha'ing a scummate here is kinda not the brightest move

[Gamma Emerald]

He said that he had a bunch of things he thought about the optimal play for this setup but when I asked him for it he told me he would tell me later if he thought I was town.

Like its possible that scum would make that play but to me it seems much more likely that scum would be trying to pocket me in the PT rather than do something like that.

Eh idk I think this was kinda how my interactions with Ythan went in the last run

has your hood been elaborated on here at all? I think it might have but can we get an update in the case more has happened?

I want to clarify this
I want you to update if there has been sufficient content that it's helpful, not update in all cases in a hope that something will be useful

[Gamma Emerald]

You said there were

PAGES

of posts in your PT, as in plural
What is in those posts?

the first page is mostly us fluffing

then in the second page still being written we discussed a bit Pooky

and just now I was rambling about if I'm responsible or not for not being louder from the start here if Pooky is scum but at the same time if I'm responsible if I deathtunneled/CAPSLOCK'd here if he's town

literally near nothing

why did you bold the word "PAGES" in my post Shirou?

just wanna say I'm very chuffed Shirou flipped scum because of this, means it had some tangible value even if it was subconscious
But I'll admit the initial comparison was kinda shit too, the circumstances are somewhat different as to what was bolded

[Gamma Emerald]

also now that Cakez posted, if he was busy, or if I expected he was liable to put all our buddies low in his reads, I would probably be more inclined to bus him

Oh I did cover it
this also gets into why I think scum might have been bussing psyche; he was very clearly struggling to get a foothold in the game so he might have been seen as a bus option for some free towncred
I know I've tried to do it in the past for sure.

[Gamma Emerald]

I wish Cakez would have actually engaged more because I can't tell rn if he's scum trying to discredit me or if he's just genuinely tilted
like, I do genuinely believe in my read rate on him but I also opted to challenge him in part to make him more readable, I think when I've pushed town!him early it's made him more evidently town
idr where it is (it wasn't in my links) but there was a normal game where I think that sort of chain of events happened
ftr if I do end up changing my mind on Cakez I'd like for one of the teams in the challenge to be swapped for Hyperpost Meta as that team is definitely the most sus to me rn
so like, don't hammer anytime soon

hrrrm
looking back at this, I like it a lot less that Alisae swapped in Holmes under the Hammer over some other team
was a justification ever provided for that choice?

[Gamma Emerald]

I do wanna go back to a time when Shirou/Norwee probably thought they were winning, so I guess I will stop being lazy too.

I did want to ask you Gamma, and maybe anyone else. Are Shriou and Alisae good enough friends to use a PT even if they are also scum? (I also have Alisae and Shirou's interaction where they go from opposite to same side in mind)

I think they'd have the chemistry to do that
the last time something like that happened the players behind it also had some degree of chemistry, but I can't really determine the full scope of it because the game mod NEVER released the 2-scum hood. I guess I'll try and pester them about it

[Gamma Emerald]

if you don't have holmes as 1 and johnson as 7 you are out of your mind

hrrm

yeah wtaf was this in conjunction with swapping to holmes later on?

[Gamma Emerald]

I was probs going to challenge Freedom

this is also weird given shirou's swap choice in the second round

[Gamma Emerald]

https://discord.gg/kXUJsnTf8u
this is the chat that was between two scum that I'm referring to
it apparently wasn't as active as claimed but they bluffed pretty convincingly

[Gamma Emerald]

because the pool of Shirou freedom PP are 3 slots that I think have a decent chance of flipping wolf

my reads are lookin like this atm

shea std

furtive enchant

gamma
t-bone*

pooky

** Haschel

penguin

cakez

Norwee Shirou

Freedom

- I have 2 wolves in this pair. Probably 3 but 4 if Pooky is town
*I think it makes sense for him to be town. Though in the back of my mind I am aware it isn't impossible for a wolf to do what he's done so far
**it is very possible that I am getting fearmongered but like I think he is probably a townie?

hmmmm

[Gamma Emerald]

ngl the only person in the PoE I object to here rn is penguin

huh?

my hero solve rn is you+shirou+cakez+norwee but freedom is also scummy for me rn

I don't know what I was thinking when I called freedom scummy here

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is me challenging norwee rash

I just don't like the idea of having to vote anyone in your team off. I think that limits the scope of what possible information can be gotten and it quickly becomes an icky situation if we don't want to vote norwee off for whatever reason.

what???
I think what you're getting at is you'd rather another team challenge norwee if it's gonna happen but this is weirdly phrased

That would be more ideal ya.
I think it's phrased like that because like I feel like that challenge specifically forces me to elim Norwee regardless of if I like it or not. Even if he ends up towntelling, I would have to pick a different person in that challenge to want to vote to eliminate.

Like there's just no plan B it forces everyone to vote this player or not vote and that's kinda icky... Kinda like the situation a lot of other players are in right with with like cakez...

this is so weirdly narrow-minded
what about Haschel? He's only in Alisae's weakest townread tier in the preceding list.

[Gamma Emerald]

the difference between 2-3-4 is like jumping from a mountain to a valley

it implies a differing view of the strength of alisae's townreads in the entire upper section of the read chart that hinges exactly on my alignment which makes no sense since my role in this game has been supporting cast to gamma and random dude who pops in and shouts a lot about random shit

ngl I think I want dunnstral to die because despite cakez flipping town he was only an accessory to the core theory that shirou/norwee/alisae were scum, and Pooky getting shot when he did I think supports the validity of that solve

@T-bone

I see your pause, is there anything in particular in your last few posts that you want my opinion on?

[Gamma Emerald]

the way that pooky post relates to the point I made is I feel like it doesn't make much sense for pooky to die over me unless that solve of shirou/norwee/ali + 1 is on-track
PEdit: yeah I'm kinda not posting much of my own thought at a time, I should probably compress a bit

[Gamma Emerald]

When these posts occurred I had just gotten done explaining why I thought Shirou was trying to manipulate me into voting Pooky. And then Alisae gets...manipulated into voting Pooky? I have to follow up, I wonder if Shirou ever tried to use this as a counter example to say "I wasn't manipulating t-bone, alisae just did it too!"

I don't remember anything of the sort but I also believe I skipped several pages during Day 2 or so?

So this is an exchange right after the Titus flip. Norwee shades Alisae, and then Shirou makes an excuse for Alisae. We know Norwee/Shirou are aligned, what happened here? Crosstalk because Alisae is town or doing a really bad job of distancing from also-scum Alisae?

I think this might just be Shirou going "shut up, by pointing the finger at Alisae you're technically putting me at risk!"
that's NAI for alisaeslot I think

This is another example post Shirou why I think Gimli is town. I saw that you said Gamma you thought psyche was a good bus target because psyche was struggling to gain a foothold in the game. To me #3448 looks like an acknowledgement that scum is winning (acting like two town flips were bad for Shirou), so #3444 doesn't make sense as a bus target to me. Cakez was still on the table as a possible mislim (something Norwee later tried). The only thing going for me that the Shirou was bussing psyche theory does require Alisae to be town, since Shirou manipulated e into hammering Titus potentially.

alright, I'll take this into consideration

I know scum don't openly celebrate, but damn this does look a bit like Shirou feeling like the momentum to lim psyche was there. It's very similar to how I remember them feeling the momentum to get Cakez was. And then complaining that he didn't participate in the furtive mislim.

hmmm okay I kinda see it

What is the origin of this theory? I think I thought Alisae calling out the town flip back to back, especially after hammering Titus was weird in the same way Norwee tried to point out. Was this Norwee's theory from the get-go or was Norwee parroting someone else? (something else to go look for)

yeah it seems like Alisae has repeatedly shifted all over the place in how she's handled furtive and the titus-slot and maybe the psyche-slot

This looks so inorganic. Norwee posts thoughts about psyche, Shirou asks Norwee for thoughts about psyche in a later post, and then goes "oh but you gave them already". I didn't set out to say whether Shirou was bussing or pushing a mislim but I feel like I look at these posts and it looks clearly like Shirou is trying to get a mislim through. (this is what my read already is, so someone please check me if I'm reading into my bias)

how were they saying titus and psyche correlated before the titus flip?

These were all directed at Cakez.

this feels like it lends credence to my feeling that cakez was put in so psyche would be limmed? Which I think with Cakez's townflip makes psycheslot lean town a bit

These was too. It supports my theory that at this point in time I think Shirou thought he was winning. I think a few players had expressed frustration at the town flips (Pooky for example) so this is like an insincere 'yeah me too I hate that town is losing' post. That Shirou thought he was winning once again makes me think psyche was a mislim target.

It's also interesting that Shirou doesn't really engage with any other reads in the immediate aftermath of Titus' flip. This may be the start of where he and Norwee decided they would make Cakez their secondary target (leading to the moment where Norwee swapped in Cakez for Shirou).

yeahhhh the bit about not wanting to hurt engagement more feels like scum who feel safe in their advantage and believe they can afford to give town a break by not making the game feel absolutely oppressive

I did the same thing in a dead game where there was basically no activity, it ended up losing the game for my team. I don't particularly regret it though as I would have felt horrible winning by just killing anyone who cared about the game. But yeah, it was a cheeky-ass move to pull on my part.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gun to my head its STD-Sheep, IG, distant third for me in the PoE would be Gamma, I guess you could swap gamma and sheep but I still just don't really see a world where STD isnt scum and I guess I'm just willing to go with it.

why is sheep in your PoE atp?

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I do not think Tbone is scum, I do not think psyche was a bus, I do not think the PT was faked.

This leaves me with three names who can be scum, and I feel like you've been mostly with me on getting shirou and norwee all game so that makes you less likely than the other two, it's mostly that I think you and sheep feel town to me but it kind of feels like one of you two has to be scum unless tbone is absolutely snowing me.

I think you're off-base in that the PT doesn't have to be faked for Dunn to be scum

[Gamma Emerald]

because what I'm focused on is what's in front of me, which is that Alisae had weird af interactions with multiple slots

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is me challenging norwee rash

I just don't like the idea of having to vote anyone in your team off. I think that limits the scope of what possible information can be gotten and it quickly becomes an icky situation if we don't want to vote norwee off for whatever reason.

what???
I think what you're getting at is you'd rather another team challenge norwee if it's gonna happen but this is weirdly phrased

That would be more ideal ya.
I think it's phrased like that because like I feel like that challenge specifically forces me to elim Norwee regardless of if I like it or not. Even if he ends up towntelling, I would have to pick a different person in that challenge to want to vote to eliminate.

Like there's just no plan B it forces everyone to vote this player or not vote and that's kinda icky... Kinda like the situation a lot of other players are in right with with like cakez...

Welcome to literally thats how this game works.

This is the kind of mindset that allows wolves to brute force these kind of challenges and create awkward and icky situations for town to be in that can generally end up leading to apathy and not caring for the game.

I think it would be best for the people who have awareness that their team is wolfy to be the ones to send out challenges.

oh hey this also exists
still dislike this blatant disregard for mech

[Gamma Emerald]

and how exactly do I deal with that?
by kowtowing and doing whatever your majesty shea says???

don't like this either
anyway, this is the last post I'll post about from backreading for tonight. I think I've made sufficient progress that I can get through things in decent pace if I keep things up

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh this feels a lot like gamma knows she will eventually have to miselim dunn to win this game.

[Gamma Emerald]

https://discord.gg/kXUJsnTf8u
this is the chat that was between two scum that I'm referring to
it apparently wasn't as active as claimed but they bluffed pretty convincingly

I can't access this by the way

Uhhh what
It should be a forever link?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't really think anyone has adequately explained to me the motivation.

I understand that could theoretically be motivation for having some stuff going on in your pt so you don't have to think of it off the cuff when asked about it, that makes sense to me. I am a little less clear on what people think the motivation would be for cosplaying as town for 16 pages complete with what seem like genuine emotional responses. That is far and away beyond what is necessary to have some stuff to talk about if you get asked, and I am extremely certain that scum wouldn't bother with it. I could see there being a desire to lie about your PT being more active than it is, and having some stuff in there so you can bring up specifics later, but people arguing that scum can do it to this degree seem to be completely ignoring that this is not that.

The only other motivation I can think of would be exactly what happened: Which is that one of them replaces out, and then the person who replaced them has a big laundry list of things to confirm themselves with, but that strikes me as far and away beyond the scope of what the vast majority of players would do in a game of mafia, and I just simply don't believe that happened here. Most players don't make eventualities when they're not planning on replacing out from the start of the game in case they ever do replace out so the person who replaced them can confirm themselves.

That is just simply not how people's minds work usually, so I am willing to completely discount it as a possibility.

It's an extremely strange argument that both sheep and gamma are making that this is not only something that could happen, but rather something that is LIKELY TO have happened when I think it is so ridiculously more likely to have not been what happened that it makes me think both of them are being driven with an agenda.

Okay first I think you’re misinterpreting me, because I don’t really have a likelihood value judgement on the PT situation and won’t have one until I compare Shirou’s thing with Dunnstral’s, second what’s so agenda driven about saying that’s the likely scenario? I remember a wiki article about possibility vs. probability and how scum tend to push possibilities to open up options while Town try to focus on what’s probable. If I was saying it was the likely scenario, I think that should make me townier?

[Gamma Emerald]

it works but I'm not joining a discord server just to read that.

I wouldn’t expect you (by which I do mean you specifically) to given your stances on meta

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s not what you said in the original post.

[Gamma Emerald]

It's an extremely strange argument that both sheep and gamma are making that this is not only something that could happen, but rather something that is LIKELY TO have happened

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you’re acting in extremely bad faith given you are stripping my theory of context. My belief that the PT is scum+scum despite apparently being so long is rooted in my belief that Alisae had been extremely shifty about approaching multiple flipped town.

[Gamma Emerald]

That should be the only retort I will post to the argument you are currently making.