Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

[Klick]

VOTE: Firebringer

Firebringer/redFF/Lycanfire
One more for the grand slam

[Klick]

none of the roles are overly complex; however, there may exist exactly one role in the game that does not meet this guideline.

me

I'm trying to bury Klick slipping 4 Mafia out of fairness

oh golly gosh oh fuck thanks for the support

[Klick]

Morning Tweet voting unvoting and voting again in the same post feels performative.

It's definitely performative but is it scum tryhard-performative or town fun-performative?

[Klick]

It didn't feel uncharacteristic of Morning Tweet's personality to me
Like I think MT does it to amuse herself more than anything

[Klick]

It didn't feel uncharacteristic of Morning Tweet's personality to me
Like I think MT does it to amuse herself more than anything

i would also like to point out to the crowd that MT vote and suspicion on me is serious as stated by herself.
Klick characterization of it doesn't hold up to actual scrutiny. So he either isn't paying attention or just looking for ways to call it town because he knows MT is town.

I don't think klick isn't paying attention. I think klick sees town MT voting me and is like "yeah gonna call MT town here while pretending to be solving" and doesn't actually perform the town analysis he would do.

Also I think town klick would have called me out on page 2-3 to be serious and he didn't. Low level analysis equals scum klick.

Wow i am actually super confident in this.

I best not try hard to omuch this early or i will wear myself out.
Back to shit posting.

1. I didn't call MT town for the double vote thing in the first place; I don't currently have a read on MT
2. I didn't say MT's vote wasn't serious; I think her actual vote on you was serious but the vote-unvote-vote again thing was done for fun
3. MT CONFIRMS my read of her doing the double vote largely to amuse herself (as well as the Firebringer vote ultimately being serious suspicion). I literally have the correct read of MT's behaviour. 'Low level analysis' get rekt scrub.

[Klick]

4. I can be fun too

[Klick]

I think ur treating MT like town. You saying she is null makes ur behavior more ???
I think ur treating me like town which is also weird since i think ur vote is still on me.

Like I think first thing u would do and maybe im not a Klick mind reader so you tell me how the fuck i am not right on this. Is you would question if my push isn't just scum pushing u. Instead u chose to argue with me on how my analysis is wrong. Like you didn't question my alignment once in that post.

Its weird for u to go:
"No FB I am 100% right about how MT is posting and thinking and how you should analyze these posts" and at same breath go "But MT is null"....like i guess ur just saying u have her personality square pegged....great. What u r trying to go from none of this is alignment telling to this is alignment posting from MT. Or are you just not yet in serious mode.

Why am I the serious one here.

My baseline is to interact with people as though they are town because that's what everyone either is or is pretending to be. I often get the push against me of 'you're interacting with X as though you know they're town' as either alignment. Most of the time it's not helpful to interact with someone directly as though they might be scum because no one has that open to themselves as a possibility as either alignment.

I'm arguing with your analysis to a) defend my own viewpoint and b) flesh yours out. Arguing with analysis is something I often do in the moment. More often than not I solve for alignment in rereading things from a distance, unless I get some sort of really strong vibe read. I don't have confidence in my ability to say the right things to sort for alignment properly mid-conversation.

[Klick]

Morning Tweet voting unvoting and voting again in the same post feels performative.

It's definitely performative but is it scum tryhard-performative or town fun-performative?

do u expect an answer here that will illuminate ur read on MT
or was this for reading Ari

Both, potentially?
It's the question I had in my head about Tweet's post
I had come to 'I don't know' as my conclusion
Ari was thinking about the post as well so I asked her for her perspective to further develop mine as well as hers

Klick, do you think you are a defensive person usually?

Tl;dr yes

A more accurate way of describing it is that I really don't like being misrepresented
I can pretty easily deal with/filter out someone just having a wrong opinion of my behaviour even if their reasons are sketchy
But I get frustrated when someone changes my words to their wrong interpretation of my words and I like to correct that

[Klick]

I don't have confidence in my ability to say the right things to sort for alignment properly mid-conversation.

I am very bothered by this last line here by Klick and ive been mulling it over for like half an hour.
I think Klick can sort and respond. Where is this idea he can't mid conversation try to be sorting? He also didn't fully respond to everything i said, like he took parts and responded to make it look like he was but...

I Want more.
I don't feel satiated.

I mean I can try but I don't get anything out of it
I feel like when I ask people questions and try to probe them they immediately see where I'm going with my question and respond in a way that doesn't give me the alignment-indicative info that I want
Whereas I find I much more often find relevant/helpful info from other people's conversations with each other

What else do you want a response to?

[Klick]

I kind of think Gimli believes in what he's saying even if I'm not really feeling his furtive push

Agreed

[Klick]

I'm still trying to figure out this Morning Tweet change of heart

Well it's a very good read of my intentions by Klick. Maybe informed makes you get there easier.

Here she becomes suspicious of Klick, right after FB put some pressure on him with a vote. Aristeia quickly cast a 2nd vote (with no reason?) and MT does a complete 180 from thinking FB is sus to agreeing with FB about Klick, casting the 3rd vote for him.

You're also no longer a good vote IMO x3

And I still don't know what this means, but if she's suggesting FB isn't a good vote because he already has 3, it would seem odd to jump to a 3rd vote on the Klick wagon. I could be misinterpreting this comment though

The quick change of heart from FB to Klick feels off and its the only minor scum read I've gotten so far

I believe you believe this!

[Klick]

I'm still trying to figure out this Morning Tweet change of heart

Well it's a very good read of my intentions by Klick. Maybe informed makes you get there easier.

Here she becomes suspicious of Klick, right after FB put some pressure on him with a vote. Aristeia quickly cast a 2nd vote (with no reason?) and MT does a complete 180 from thinking FB is sus to agreeing with FB about Klick, casting the 3rd vote for him.

You're also no longer a good vote IMO x3

And I still don't know what this means, but if she's suggesting FB isn't a good vote because he already has 3, it would seem odd to jump to a 3rd vote on the Klick wagon. I could be misinterpreting this comment though

The quick change of heart from FB to Klick feels off and its the only minor scum read I've gotten so far

First off, the x3 is a face. Nothing do to with 3's

Other than that I have no comment actually idk. I think FB's read of Klick is towny and I don't really care to hang onto the read much longer since it was about him scumposting, this is stronger than that fer me

I THINK I agree with this?

[Klick]

Hey Klick it has been awhile
Who do you think currently are wolves?

Hiya, been really looking forward to playing with you again! I don't think I ever told you this because you weren't around much while it was happening, but the way you played as town a few years ago hugely influenced the way I've been trying to play as town more recently. So, uh, thanks

I don't really have any scumreads atm. I think a few players seem pretty towny so far but I don't often have confident wolf reads early. Taly stands out to me as explicitly not looking very towny in a way that bothers me a bit, if that helps?

[Klick]

VOTE: Lycanfire

[Klick]

This one has no reason to suspect Lycan of the Fire yet.

Not true

[Klick]

I think VP Baltar is town

[Klick]

Asri has already been pretty clear that they don't want to elaborate further; I don't think further pressure to make that happen is very productive

I think they should have some time to do their thing

[Klick]

Asri has already been pretty clear that they don't want to elaborate further; I don't think further pressure to make that happen is very productive

I think they should have some time to do their thing

I mean, it's not a pressure vote. I think it's pretty scummy, trying to fit in behavior. There is no curiosity or sense of trying to figure the game out here. Just absolute certainty in reads.

I don't read Asri's posting as absolute certainty in their reads
I'll let them defend themselves though

[Klick]

Isn’t being town in cosmos mafia punishment enough

Spoiler:

while playing the game, i actually had a bad dream where I was holding the hammer in 3p Elo and had to pick between tbone and the junkochan slot

LOOOOL that's terrifying

[Klick]

none of the roles are overly complex; however, there may exist exactly one role in the game that does not meet this guideline.

me

I'm trying to bury Klick slipping 4 Mafia out of fairness

Can you explain this quote? Klick's 81 doesn't seem to give this indication

81 did indeed assume 4 scum in this game
I think 4 scum is the only reasonable number in 17p just like 3 scum is standard in 13p
I can see possible setups that have 5 or 3 but I think 4 is likely enough to assume outright

[Klick]

VOTE: asri

I slept on this and I feel like asri not being able to give actual reasons to why they hard town read someone doesn't make a lot of sense coming from town. I mean, sure, gut townread someone early game for vibes or whatever, but a hard town read? Nah.

VOTE: vp baltar

how is vp still alive, how is the game still open, how did he not instantly receive 9 votes for this post

I had the exact opposite reaction!

[Klick]

Asri is such an unintuitive place to put pressure if you're scum here
Unless it's like S/S?

[Klick]

i think it's inuitive in that he believes he can make a really bad nonsense case on the gimmick account for not explaining a read

I don't get why he would want that though

[Klick]

Tweet I literally laughed out loud reading your last few posts about me
Not in an insulting way more in a relatable way. I get deeply caught up in analysing things to their logical ends as well

You're basically correct in your analysis and I think you're towny for it

[Klick]

What if CSF, Klick and petapan are all scum

I'd probably feel really bad for petapan lol

This game is comedy gold

[Klick]

TOWN
furtiveglance
Morning Tweet
Black
SirCakez
Alisae

LEANING TOWN
Firebringer
VP Baltar
Gimli

NULL
Mistyx
Asri Teroka
Aristeia
redFF
Taly

LEANING SCUM
petapan
Lycanfire
Cat Scratch Fever

SCUM

[Klick]

I don't really want to do anything different with my vote than what I'm currently doing

Make better wagons and I'll join them

[Klick]

LEANING SCUM
petapan
Lycanfire
Cat Scratch Fever

i want to learn more about how lycan fire got on this lean scum list here

He's my neighbour and I think he isn't as towny as the other neighbour partner

[Klick]

I want CSF to have some time to come into her stride
I feel really confident in being able to read her accurately with time
She just notably hasn't made me think she's town yet and I'd kinda expect her to have by now

[Klick]

LEANING SCUM
petapan
Lycanfire
Cat Scratch Fever

i want to learn more about how lycan fire got on this lean scum list here

He's my neighbour and I think he isn't as towny as the other neighbour partner

ohh so the classic mod guessing of not all my neighbors can be town thing.
i wouldn't put it past datisi to make it all town.
but interesting

I don't think it's impossible but I think the odds favour 1 scum

I'll let the third member come out if they want

[Klick]

I don't really want to do anything different with my vote than what I'm currently doing

Make better wagons and I'll join them

you fos petapan?

Kind of? I don't think he's done anything towny yet which I find weird regardless of alignment lol
I think he could easily be scum here

I want CSF to have some time to come into her stride
I feel really confident in being able to read her accurately with time
She just notably hasn't made me think she's town yet and I'd kinda expect her to have by now

has lycan been posting in the hood as much as in the main thread ?

The hood is barren, there are two posts and three members

[Klick]

not sure how to feel about klick revealing the existence of the hood for no reason

@klick did you discuss with the hood about revealing it in thread?

I don't see much utility in keeping a neighbourhood hidden
Neighbourhoods are garbage especially when I'm in them

[Klick]

not sure how to feel about klick revealing the existence of the hood for no reason

@klick did you discuss with the hood about revealing it in thread?

I don't see much utility in keeping a neighbourhood hidden
Neighbourhoods are garbage especially when I'm in them

Ya see so like this is part of why I feel like I wanna TR red for it cause I can totally buy that he thinks hoods are more meaningful then they actually are.

I'm not following, why does that spew red town? I agree that he overvalues neighbourhoods but I don't see the next step

[Klick]

I believe you think that but also believe you're town

[Klick]

Seems like one who is trying to find problems where there isn't?
Maybe I'm having a bad time explaining it but idunno the reaction seemed pure and him going "did you ask if it was okay to reveal your hood before doing so?" feels like a question that comes from town? I can't imagine a wolf asking that expecting it to actually go anywhere.

I can kinda see what you mean; I don't know if I agree or not but that's more not really knowing what kind of play 2023 redFF is capable of, I don't know what kind of lens will lead to accuracy in reading him
I'm more inclined to read his initial reaction of 'is this real?' as genuine I think

[Klick]

I'll let the third member come out if they want

So Klick, Lycan, and a third member are in a hood. Based on a previous post I'm pretty sure I know who the third member is but what I'm not sure of is if I should out them or not. To be fair they did make it pretty obvious

Go on then

[Klick]

Why mention it in the first place if you're not interested in opening the box?
I'm definitely interested in what your thoughts are there

I'll even make you a deal, I'll confirm or deny your guess

[Klick]

saving my place at top of page 24

think lycan is town for reasons I’ll think are bad if i explain

*bzzt*

That makes sense as to why you'd think that though!

[Klick]

Oh hi furtive since you're here
Who do you think my third neighbour is??

[Klick]

Not CSF

You scumreading me and hating what I do should be a towntell for me by now btw furtive

[Klick]

SirCakez?

I don't know how you made that read but yes it's Cakez!

[Klick]

TOWN
Morning Tweet
Black
Asri Teroka
Alisae
Firebringer

LEANING TOWN
furtiveglance
SirCakez
redFF
VP Baltar
Cat Scratch Fever

NULL
Gimli
Mistyx
Aristeia
Taly

LEANING SCUM
petapan
Lycanfire

SCUM

[Klick]

I think people asked me things but I'm feeling passive atm

[Klick]

I'd really like him to explain why he's townreading Cakez though.

I've had thoughts on this since last night but I went to sleep instead of responding.

Basically, I think my Cakez townread was poor. Early in Cakez's posting I thought his forwardness and willingness to bring a lot of opinions to the table was towny. I think this was biased somewhat by comparing him to Lycanfire in my head and thinking, 'well Cakez is being pretty free with his reads and Lycan isn't doing anything so if there's a scum between them it's more likely to be Lycan.' Which isn't a well-thought-out point.
In my last reads list I brought Cakez down a bit because I kinda realised this but still wanted to give credit to my initial gut ping.

I think ultimately I townread what you are scumreading. I ISO'd Cakez late last night and felt pretty similarly to you, that what he was doing could pretty easily be scum projecting false confidence. I don't feel strongly about it but with you saying it's his scum meta I kinda want to sheep you on it.

[Klick]

VOTE: SirCakez

[Klick]

In general I kinda want to kill either of my neighbours as two really high scum equity slots

[Klick]

TOWN
Morning Tweet
Black
Asri Teroka
Firebringer

LEANING TOWN
Cat Scratch Fever
Aristeia
furtiveglance
Alisae
VP Baltar

NULL
redFF
Gimli
Mistyx
Taly

LEANING SCUM
petapan
{Lycanfire, SirCakez}

SCUM

Considered thoughts are closer to here
The whole list is ordered
At this point petapan being leaning scum is kind of a meme but I like it anyway

[Klick]

furtive, explain to people why your scumreads are your scumreads

If you can't do that on a basic level then the read probably isn't that strong or worth following

If you can then people with either agree and vote with you or disagree and talk about your read with you, promoting discussion of said read

[Klick]

Just skimming atm I know I have outstanding responses I'll do them later

[Klick]

TOWN
Morning Tweet
Black
Asri Teroka
VP Baltar
Firebringer
Aristeia

LEANING TOWN
Cat Scratch Fever
Alisae
redFF

NULL
furtiveglance
Gimli
Mistyx
Taly

LEANING SCUM
petapan
{Lycanfire, SirCakez}

SCUM

[Klick]

Let's see, outstanding questions I can remember

Asri-town:

Even considering the gimmick causing some friction by necessity, I think Asri is very much choosing to make this game way harder than they need to if they're scum here. I believe that they have thoughts about the game based on their posting, and I believe that they could have legitimate interest as town in not going into detail about those thoughts. If they're scum then I don't understand why they aren't cooperating at least a little bit with expanding on some basic opinions - and 'to get townread for it' doesn't pass the Occam's Razor check because no one other than me is actually doing that and I don't think they would expect anyone to townread them for it if they were scum here. They're playing an actively losing game if they're scum, and I don't think they're willfully playing an actively losing game.

There are just much more effective ways of accomplishing what scum want to accomplish than what Asri's doing here, and I'm fine with seeing what reads Asri has contributed so far coming from a town mindset.

Uhhh there was at least one more question but I've forgotten it already. Let me go look

[Klick]

TOWN
Morning Tweet
Black
Asri Teroka
VP Baltar
Firebringer
Aristeia

LEANING TOWN
Cat Scratch Fever
Alisae
redFF

NULL
furtiveglance
Gimli
Mistyx
Taly

LEANING SCUM
petapan
{Lycanfire, SirCakez}

SCUM

I've been gradually getting lower on these, despite being the only player pushing Klick's 'biggest scumread' petapan. Can people see that he isn't actually thinking about the game?

Do you have a question about my read on you or do you just want to shitpost about how you want me to be scum?

[Klick]

LEANING TOWN
Cat Scratch Fever

when did this happen btw

A fair bit earlier

I think CSF has a pretty limited scum range that is pretty similar to mine
I'm not 100% convinced she's out of it but she's done pretty good solving from what I've seen so far
I don't want to commit heavily to a read on CSF until like D3ish by which point I think her alignment should be really obvious

[Klick]

On one hand I feel pretty checked out of the general goings on in this thread

On the other hand 'let's compromise somewhere' sounds like how town dies D1 and I don't -dislike- redFF

[Klick]

On the third hand town probably dies D1 anyway

[Klick]

On one hand I feel pretty checked out of the general goings on in this thread

On the other hand 'let's compromise somewhere' sounds like how town dies D1 and I don't -dislike- redFF

I'm not saying that, I'm trying to push through one of my preferred eliminations.

I know ow you're not saying that, but VP is saying that and I am feeling it to some degree

[Klick]

Remove Asri from the list

[Klick]

If I were RVSing this game I'd vote Klick because I have not forgiven him for adorable critters.

What a great game

[Klick]

Klick picked someone and it wasn't me? Yeah okay that one actually does hurt

I thought you'd be fine and Asri wouldn't get picked! </3

[Klick]

I hope there aren't any crazy people around still running multiball

What's wrong with multiball? Multiball is fantastic

[Klick]

Dont recall this one

was 11 years ago lol

I remembered it too >_>

[Klick]

Shea can I ask how you feel about playing as town vs scum? Do you enjoy one more than the other? What do you like about Mafia?

[Klick]

I was about to come in here and say I'm townreading fireisredsir’s recent posting pretty towny lmao

[Klick]

Wow that's a sentence

[Klick]

Fireisredsir convince me peta is town pls

[Klick]

wow klick not gonna even bother asking ME about my petapan fanboy townread.
Rude af

Klick honorary scum.

If you can convince me petapan is town I'm also happy to hear it!
The other fire has a way of speaking to my soul though

[Klick]

I have gone pretty hard into passive mode this game but I don't feel like it's damaging my ability to form reads
I think I just don't want to mess with this gamestate it feels pretty good actually

[Klick]

I'm going to make a reads list completely from scratch based on my very removed impressions of everyone right now

TOWN
Aristeia
Black
furtiveglance
Asri Teroka
Thestatusquo
Firebringer

LEANING TOWN
fireisredsir
Cat Scratch Fever
SirCakez
Morning Tweet

NULL
Alisae
petapan
redFF

LEANING SCUM
Gimli
Mistyx
ActionDan

[Klick]

wow klick not gonna even bother asking ME about my petapan fanboy townread.
Rude af

Klick honorary scum.

If you can convince me petapan is town I'm also happy to hear it!
The other fire has a way of speaking to my soul though

i will still make the case but full disclosure i am a little at this bc im p sure we have played together twice? once with me being scum and once with you being scum

so like maybe you can just tell from that experience that it would be the case but i don't think we've had any times where town!me was talking to town!you

It's not really commentary on your alignment
I find it easy to engage with the things you say in the thread on an actual logical level which is true of very few people I've played with
In this game it applies to you, CSF, and Alisae

[Klick]

In White Flag I found it difficult to try to engage with you specifically because I felt like if I did I'd have to try really hard to avoid giving my actual thoughts on things with a scum tinted lens

[Klick]

It does feel kinda shitty to lim ActionDan without giving him much of a chance but I do kinda think he's just scum

[Klick]

Is FB the poster boy for this forum? Why do I feel like he's the main character

our mod is the main character

[Klick]

It does feel kinda shitty to lim ActionDan without giving him much of a chance but I do kinda think he's just scum

Why rush to lim him? Even if you are sure he's scum...wouldn't letting him talk about stuff be beneficial?

I agree with you?
I'm not currently voting Dan for basically that reason

[Klick]

Asri I feel like the bottom half of my reads is heavily skewed towards less active players
If I'm missing a deepwolf or two where are they?
I feel like I'm missing like the towniest/best-positioned scum and then the rest of my list is basically right

Who is in the towny sections of my reads that you think I shouldn't have there?

[Klick]

I would love a slice

[Klick]

VOTE: Black so they can play in Team Mafia

[Klick]

Alright Firebriar let's go

I don't want to know what you think of 2-3 people. I want to know your thoughts on the whole player list

Fine. i can give u my boring reads list but im not going to even add a sentence explanation because ur so lazy and u don't want THE VERY INTERESTING ANALYSIS I COULD PROVIDE U

Uber Town - Aristeia
Strong Town - Black, Thestatusquo, Petapan, Klick, SirCakez
Very Likely Town - Furtiveglance, Gimli, Asri Teroka, Mornin Tweet

No Strong Opinion - Alisae, Fireisredsir, redFF
Scum Lean - Cat Scratch Fever, Mistyx, Action Dan

I'm going to make a reads list completely from scratch based on my very removed impressions of everyone right now

TOWN
Aristeia
Black
furtiveglance
Asri Teroka
Thestatusquo
Firebringer

LEANING TOWN
fireisredsir
Cat Scratch Fever
SirCakez
Morning Tweet

NULL
Alisae
petapan
redFF

LEANING SCUM
Gimli
Mistyx
ActionDan

what happens if we shove them together

TOWN
us, Aristeia, Black, Thestatusquo, SirCakez, furtiveglance, Asri Teroka

LEANING TOWN
Morning Tweet

NULL
Alisae, redFF

SCUMMY
Mistyx, ActionDan

DISSONANCE: petapan, Gimli, fireisredsir, Cat Scratch Fever

[Klick]

have you already explained why Gimli's town? I'm interested

[Klick]

no clue
well now that you've asked that I have a guess
but other than that

[Klick]

holy shit it's been so long since I've looked at MS on a computer instead of a phone
what an experience

[Klick]

okay yeah I can see Gimli's early game coming from town
the furtive stuff is alright but I also think his initial towncore post/lead-up to it felt natural

[Klick]

is it weird our reads are pretty much aligned i don't see a huge amoutn of differences the most striking one is CSF

and even there I'm not really sure yet. I'm probably fairly biased by really enjoying playing with CSF. it's a read that will eventually be a non-issue I think

I think this game might just be pretty simple? not in the sense that we're both necessarily right, but like there's probably 3ish scum in our PoE pool and 1ish scum that has slipped past. everyone else has been sufficiently towny.

PEdit: okay so it sounds like petapan is your CSF

[Klick]

2222

[Klick]

If it's not just like Tweet
then Cakez and TSQ are probably my least solid town in the big group

[Klick]

I don't really think Ari/Black/furtive/Asri flip scum ever

[Klick]

Black is like my #1 top townread I really cant see him being scum

[Klick]

did you watch the latest eminence in shadow?

is there still good anime being made in 2023?
should I watch this instead of continuing to stare at this game?

[Klick]

I feel bad for the people who haven't seen the thread yet
but I feel good for me

[Klick]

I enjoy almost every series I start
but before I start it I have to go through an inner turmoil wondering whether starting it will be worth my time
meaning I wind up watching very few shows but most of them are exactly the sort of thing I want to watch

[Klick]

I also haven't watched anything made in the last like 7-8 years

[Klick]

Your Lie in April was good

[Klick]

Is cakze and or Shea never gonna do the final strike or am i going to be stuck on unvote forever.

this is now a runoff vote
Mistyx vs ActionDan

which seems like a reasonable thing for the thread to do anyway

[Klick]

HURT: ActionDan

[Klick]

Plant based chicken plant based bacon bbq sauce and ranch.

You'll either love it or think its a monstrosity.

the pizza looks fantastic but why is it twice the size of my browser screen

[Klick]

it's been a while since I let myself stop caring so much it's been fun
I should get my actual computer out more often

[Klick]

just a different mindset approaching posting I guess?
it's really easy to just fire off what's on my mind when I've got the laptop out
but I overthink things and delete things and try to get it perfect when I'm on my phone

there are probably benefits to both sometimes from a gameplay perspective

[Klick]

also helps that I can listen to music while posting

[Klick]

what are you listening to fruitvengeance

[Klick]

Baring any guilties anyone this game is over I think I have it solved overnight

Same, wanna compare notes?

[Klick]

I want to hear why you think Asri is wolf because I have the exact opposite read there.

Furtive traitor is spicy, I think there's zero chance he's group scum though.

{Gimli, redFF} is fine, I'd definitely lean Gimli. redFF is decently towny

[Klick]

My PoE right now is {Mistyx, Gimli, fireisredsir, maaaaybe Firebringer}
But I'm open to places I've screwed up

[Klick]

TOWN
Aristeia
Black
SirCakez
Cat Scratch Fever
furtiveglance
Asri Teroka
Morning Tweet

TOWN BUT I THINK COULD POTENTIALLY FOOL ME
Thestatusquo
petapan
redFF
Alisae
Firebringer

POE SCUMMY
Gimli
fireisredsir
Mistyx

with Alisae and Firebringer kinda being the only two in the middle tier that I'm taking seriously

[Klick]

Asri always flips wolf.

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Cakez, Klick, Shea, CSF, Fire, MT, Black, Misty, Peta, Ari are all town. Every single player there.
Redfire I don't exactly have a read on but Taly is probably town given if my reads are right, he had 2 wolves in his bottom pretty early!

Asri is not at all townier than any of these players. In fact I get the distinct impression from their play that they refuse to do anything that is excessively villagery. In fact I kind of get the impression they just don't care. Like when they commented on my reads they just said disappointing or something along those lines and I asked if that's all they had to say because it feels like they don't want to add villager contributions to the game or they just don't care to.

I want to hear about Mistyx town

I do think you're misreading Asri and I've explained why previously but I'm not sure I have the energy/care to rehash it atm

[Klick]

TOWN BUT I THINK COULD POTENTIALLY FOOL ME
Thestatusquo
petapan
redFF
Alisae
Firebringer

alisae should be near conftown levels here.
Actiondan went for buddying up to alisae throughout day 1. Do you think actiondan was buddying ally there?

It looked way more likely he was appealing to alisae while trying to call me scum for trying to sort alisae.

I'll look again but part of the reason I have Alisae as potential scum here is specifically because I didn't like Dan interactions and felt they could be theatre

[Klick]

...Gimli/Asri/traitorfurtive is a hilarious timeline isn't it

[Klick]

I can't unsee it now

[Klick]

VOTE: Gimli

[Klick]

Furtive taking the piss because he knows it's over

[Klick]

Fwiw I'm much happier with a Gimli vote today than an Asri vote

I just really struggle to wrap my head around Asri's choice to play how they have if they're scum here, like it's really far from what I'd consider achieving any of scum's actual interests

I feel like for most players this is valid logic
I can accept that Asri might not be one of those players

[Klick]

I'm potentially town's only killing power and it's a shared thing. I can prove my ability to another player. but you have to let me live.

I'm sorry I'm a massive potato.

Vigilante Masons?

it's better if I don't say it now

let's flip elsewhere today and tomorrow we can talk about my slot

This makes me want to vote you 10x more btw

[Klick]

Shall we do the obligatory no nightkill talk?

Who did people expect to die? I thought Firebringer would die

I thought I'd die and Cakez thought that was silly

[Klick]

Fwiw I'm much happier with a Gimli vote today than an Asri vote

I just really struggle to wrap my head around Asri's choice to play how they have if they're scum here, like it's really far from what I'd consider achieving any of scum's actual interests

I feel like for most players this is valid logic
I can accept that Asri might not be one of those players

What about Asri's play is villagery?
We don't care about the gimmick here, we can read past that.
I genuinely don't see how they are villagery, in fact I would go as far as to say I feel like they are trying to provide as little to no villager contributions to the game.

Asri does /have reads/
They're very poorly developed but there are stances, they exist
Even if Asri winds up being scum in this particular game, I suspect their town game wouldn't look much different than this if they rolled town here
I don't see sufficient evidence that a villager /would not/ play like this

Meanwhile, I see zero legitimate scum utility to how Asri has played
I try to picture a world where Asri is scum in this game and ask 'what are they trying to accomplish to further their win condition'
And 'trying to provide no content' isn't a sufficient answer to that question, that doesn't actually achieve the things scum want to achieve, ESPECIALLY if the rest of our reads are right and this scumteam isn't well positioned
So for me to assume Asri is scum I also need to assume they are not considering long-term survival in their gameplay, like, at all
Which is a tough pill for me to swallow. Not completely impossible but unlikely enough that I think townreading the play is correct until given enough reason not to (like the current traitor theory you have)

[Klick]

Firebringer in PoE is probably just paranoia on my part if I'm honest
I thought your reaction to the neighbour claim stuff wasn't great

[Klick]

I have to ignore a couple of strong factors that indicate Firebringer is town to leave it open as a possibility

[Klick]

I also hate being nightkilled and love making it to endgame!
Mafia is best with a developed game and like 7-9 players left

[Klick]

Fwiw I'm much happier with a Gimli vote today than an Asri vote

I just really struggle to wrap my head around Asri's choice to play how they have if they're scum here, like it's really far from what I'd consider achieving any of scum's actual interests

I feel like for most players this is valid logic
I can accept that Asri might not be one of those players

What about Asri's play is villagery?
We don't care about the gimmick here, we can read past that.
I genuinely don't see how they are villagery, in fact I would go as far as to say I feel like they are trying to provide as little to no villager contributions to the game.

Asri does /have reads/
They're very poorly developed but there are stances, they exist
Even if Asri winds up being scum in this particular game, I suspect their town game wouldn't look much different than this if they rolled town here
I don't see sufficient evidence that a villager /would not/ play like this

Meanwhile, I see zero legitimate scum utility to how Asri has played
I try to picture a world where Asri is scum in this game and ask 'what are they trying to accomplish to further their win condition'
And 'trying to provide no content' isn't a sufficient answer to that question, that doesn't actually achieve the things scum want to achieve, ESPECIALLY if the rest of our reads are right and this scumteam isn't well positioned
So for me to assume Asri is scum I also need to assume they are not considering long-term survival in their gameplay, like, at all
Which is a tough pill for me to swallow. Not completely impossible but unlikely enough that I think townreading the play is correct until given enough reason not to (like the current traitor theory you have)

Okay so the thing is like, I have Misty as strong villager.
I don't think they boldly play to flavor like they have at the start of the game. They have a pulse. I SEE them hunting.

Petapan did not play D1 with any wolf agenda at all. He played what I think was a super reactive D1 where as if they were a wolf I would expect more proactivity.

Firebringer I already explained, I don't see their gameplan right now if they're a wolf and if I'm wrong it's a bridge we can cross once we flipped Asri, Gimli, RedFF, and maybe Furtive. None of these players can live to end game, at least I am going to need their flips before I can even THINK about Firebringer as a wolf.

I remember a lot of instances of me wanting to TR VP and Shea's catch-up is something I'm super happy with. They just seem villager.
Ari super town.
MT is likely town given their read on Lycan.
CSF did not feel like a wolf bussing Lycan at all. Seems super villagery even with lycanflip.

Black is probably town playing their own game and trying to find wolves but is completely lost in where to look.

Taly town

like I'm super convinced all of these people are just so so much more villagery than Asri and Asri just so happens to work!

I strong agree with you on all of these except for Mistyx and Taly. I'm happy to dive into those two more deeply but right now I don't really get it with them

[Klick]

Collector as Jailkeeper fits flavor

[Klick]

also none of the abilities work when it's MELO/ELO

Are you told when this happens? Or do you just have to find out that day?

[Klick]

hahahaha FOOLS

You scum know not what you are dealing with. Prepare to face the wrath of Mistyx the Mighty, carrier of villages, ender of scum! Tremble before me!

Gonna be a fun game guys.

I rolled scum.

Now I ask to be named king of this thread. I have already taken over the scum PT by spamming it to death while DATISI forever in how long he takes to start games, sat idly by.

This is my Hollow Kingdom. Bow before me peasants.

As your benevolent scum king I may give away one of my allies. MAY
You have to prove yourselves worthy of my charity though.

Ha! Fool, you have already exposed your weakness. Your reign of terror shall come to an end before it has even begun!

Prepare to taste the wrath of my Life Ender!

VOTE: Firebringer

I mean this is practically flavor claiming. I don't play the game but even I have enough to go off of here to know that she's flavor claiming.
Not that she can't do this as a wolf, but rather I just don't think it happens if she is a wolf.

Okay I kinda like this

[Klick]

im not making a claim for mistyx being scum right now Alisae.

i don't get why ur hyper on about anyone claiming mistyxy is wolfy needs to explain.
who do u think is doing it as a escape goat read or doesn't have a genuine read.

or whats ur point if not that.

I actually think it's mostly villagers that fos Misty so I want them to talk more about it.
I feel like no one is really trying to explain why the slot is a wolf, but rather that it is just a wolf.

Similarly to your Asri read almost everyone in the game has something that makes me more confidently townread them

I do vaguely agree with the ideas behind your Mistyx town case but like I don't have a ton of conviction in it and could see it being wrong? If that makes sense?
I think you've probably got a good read but when I independently attempt to read Mistyx I don't feel as strongly as you do that she must be town instead of scum

It's enough for me to be fine not touching Mistyx and solving elsewhere if that helps

[Klick]

Like I have thought 'hmm Mistyx could be town their thoughts seem kinda genuine' but not at a level where I would feel confident removing them from my rather small PoE

[Klick]

I'm not particularly convinced Misty is mafia or town, I wish she'd post more.

This!

[Klick]

Hi Klick!

Hiiii

[Klick]

Klick, are you going to comment on me jailkeeping petapan?

No

[Klick]

I asked Cakez to claim to me in the neighbourhood overnight and got ignored
I'll try asking again

[Klick]

You're going to be disappointed
Taly/fireisredsir is another slot where I basically just have zero reason to townread
But with this slot in particular I'm not surprised at all that it is where it is in my reads and I think I'm just not the correct person to get an accurate solve on them

Taly I got basically nothing from and that's consistent with past experiences with me playing with Taly
I don't really trust my ability to accurately read fire at all, I've hard townread him when he was scum before and been really convinced about it and I'm not prepared to make a confident judgement either way on him

[Klick]

Whether you like it or not, the mechanically correct play is to vote out the Jailkeeper target

the mechanically correct play when you know 5% of the mechanics is to take it easy with your information I think

I think this was all the commentary your claim needed furtive you just don't like that answer

[Klick]

I'm feeling a bit complacent because I feel like we're on course for a win and the details are both hard and not necessary to parse

I know logically there are a few reasons we should keep trying to sort out the differences in our reads but it's more a motivation thing
I'm probably wrong in a couple of places and I'm willing to sheep you Ali because your reads are basically mine for very similar reasons with slight variations in places I could conceivably see myself being wrong

[Klick]

In short, I'm lazy

[Klick]

No one else's claim explains the no kill...

Will all the protective/blocking roles please out themselves immediately :^)

[Klick]

Lunch break over ttyl

[Klick]

the only world where cakez ate yesterday makes sense as coming from town is if cakez believes his role is worthless.

if thats the case there is literally no reason for him to not just claim so we can move on.

Cakez has claimed to me, I think his interest in not claiming is valid, I think he's town, leave him alone.

[Klick]

Another read I've flipped on is Alisae - I had e as scum towards end of day 1 before I got upset, but the way e has taken command of the town today (especially at day start) feels transparently town. I would be shocked if e pulled this kind of power move as scum - it feels untenable and I feel like I almost never see scum go "okay, I'm taking over as leader, this is our lim pool," etc. I dunno does that make sense?

Feels like they're driving a scummy agenda to maybe make sure no scum die today?

Or maybe I'm really just as bad reading your tone as theirs?

I'm beginning to have doubts about this one.

[Klick]

I'm behind ten pages why do you all want me to claim Cakez's role

[Klick]

VOTE: Cakez

[Klick]

Cakez claimed a complicated version of 2-Shot Commuter

[Klick]

He claimed that two times in the game he could commute, but it's non-consecutive, and the night after he uses it he's Macho.

It seemed pretty believable as a role to me.

[Klick]

What if Cakez was the nightkill, commuted to petapan, and my JK did nothing

Nothing Cakez said indicated he could target anyone
He described it as an ascetic/bulletproof activated ability

[Klick]

I was slightly pinged by Cakez's defeatism
I think I have a tendency to falsely clear people when they are likely to die despite my townread on them
Which is probably a pretty decent bias to have actually

[Klick]

oh also i have another guilty - tsq visited csf

Makes me feel good about where my reads list was up to last night

100% TOWN
petapan
Aristeia
furtiveglance

OBVIOUS TOWN
Alisae
Cat Scratch Fever
Black

VERY LIKELY TOWN
Asri Teroka
Gimli
Firebringer

LEANING TOWN
redFF
Mistyx
fireisredsir

POE SCUMMY
Morning Tweet
Thestatusquo

[Klick]

Scum already know my role and I'm gonna get hero shot by furtive tonight so I'll jump the queue

Each night I can choose to write an anonymous message for the mod to post at day start
N1 I deliberately chose not to do this because I had nothing to say - I was hoping Cakez would be an investigative and I could out his results anonymously
N2 I just fell asleep before writing a message (evidence: it's 3:45am right now)

[Klick]

Scum already know my role and I'm gonna get hero shot by furtive tonight so I'll jump the queue

Each night I can choose to write an anonymous message for the mod to post at day start
N1 I deliberately chose not to do this because I had nothing to say - I was hoping Cakez would be an investigative and I could out his results anonymously
N2 I just fell asleep before writing a message (evidence: it's 3:45am right now)

Huh?

?

[Klick]

I don't think Gimli's role is impossible as a scum role if the vig is required to be passed to town

[Klick]

I forget if there's any play-based reason to townread Gimli

[Klick]

I don't think Gimli's role is impossible as a scum role if the vig is required to be passed to town

i'm ngl if this is the case then scum's roles kinda blow

I think this would be an incredibly good scum power
I also think Gimli used it how scum would

[Klick]

actually I have a few things fuck I'll just throw them out now
2 wolf roles have flipped that if used on teammates prevents said teammates from being targeted which is interesting.

I've played around with a bastard wolf vig inventor that gives guns to villagers that don't do what they say they do.

Actually this feels like evidence in favor of Gimli being town?

[Klick]

Cakez can't be targetted if he performs the kill.

I think this is a misreading of what Cakez's role does
Cakez seems to be multitasking
But you're reading that section and thinking Cakez only commutes if he performs the nightkill
Which is impossible because Ari tracked him N1

Nice townslip lmao

[Klick]

meh


maybe im not reading the thread tone right but i kind of don't think we elim TSQ right now guys

You're getting pocketed
TSQ is 100% scum and very much knows how to act towny here

[Klick]

You can tell he's scum because he is interested in continuing the conversation
Because he would have to be as scum here, otherwise he just dies

[Klick]

Actually I'm fine with eliminating redFF before TSQ if redFF hasn't claimed by the time I'm caught up

[Klick]

redff's closemindedness is villagery but it's just complete intolerable to deal with

I do agree
It's not as strong as most of my other reads though and we have lims to spare

[Klick]

@Klick, Dan, Shea -

What's been going on in the PT?

villager slip

I don't think that's a villager slip at all
In fact it makes me wonder very slightly about Black!scum accidentally saying one scumbuddy instead of a different scumbuddy.

[Klick]

If Ari/Peta/Klick all vote mass claim then I am in

I'm in favor of massclaim

I think massclaim is very good for town here for the reasons that Alisae has already said. I think people are hesitant to massclaim for reasons that don't really correlate with how likely it is to help us find the remaining scum.

Mafia games are very snowbally. The scumteam seems to have been balanced around their fairly strong PRs so far. With two of the scum's PRs out of the game, their defenses to the town's actions are massively weakened. We can coordinate and make this already won game even more won.

We should massclaim, not because people who are towny say so, but because it's actually just a very good idea.

[Klick]

I think Alisae is very obvious town at this point and the suspicion on e is a bit silly

[Klick]

Klick

Can you tell this one how you feel on Gimli and furtiveglance?

Furtive is hard hard town. The traitor theory was fun to think about but realistically furtive is doing everything I would expect town!furtive to do and nothing I would expect scum!furtive to do.

I think Gimli is one of the few slots left with scum potential. Do I think he's particularly likely scum? Not really. But I'm not shut off to the possibility like I am with most other players in this game.

[Klick]

Klick can you summarise your PT a bit?

Doesn't have to be post by post, but the major points of discussion would be good

There was nothing at all of substance until ActionDan replaced in, except I made a comment that I sucked at using neighbourhoods when I didn't have any townreads within them
Then ActionDan came in and complained that the neighbourhood had no activity and got tumbleweed in response
Then a couple of days later Dan came in and complained that the game didn't feel like Mafia and people were just scumreading him and not engaging with him, and also complained that there was too much off topic stuff going on (on the night when we all spammed off topic stuff!)

Then Dan died and I started up conversation with Cakez because I had a townread on him
I told him I thought he was town and asked him to claim but he just kind of ignored my question
I said that I thought I might die N1
I claimed to him hoping it would encourage him to claim back. And then there are a few posts of me looking at reactions to 724 trying to decide if anyone's reaction to me suddenly claiming the neighbourhood showed TMI (I disliked Firebringer's reaction and thought redFF, Alisae, and petapan's reactions looked towny)
I shitposted about how technically my first-post callout of Firebringer/redFF/Lycanfire could have been 3 for 3
I posted my PoE at the time and told Cakez that I was concerned about the fact that I couldn't definitively clear Morning Tweet when I felt like I should be able to if Tweet were town
Cakez questioned why I thought I would be killed. He also encouraged my MT suspicion, saying I might be onto something with feeling like she should be town to me by now.
I then said I thought some of MT's posting irt her Lycan and Dan push looked town to me and my doubt was gone (it has since resurfaced as you can see in present day)
I posted a reads list and gave petapan a hesitant town lean for having reads I liked in 1070

Then D2 starts and about half a day in I more directly ask him to claim, while also expressing a townread on him
He responds with him commuter claim thing
He gives a townread on petapan saying peta!scum would have just gotten him eliminated D1

And Cakez got eliminated after that and I used the thread as a Notes PT last night

[Klick]

Klick

Can you tell this one how you feel on Gimli and furtiveglance?

Furtive is hard hard town. The traitor theory was fun to think about but realistically furtive is doing everything I would expect town!furtive to do and nothing I would expect scum!furtive to do.

I think Gimli is one of the few slots left with scum potential. Do I think he's particularly likely scum? Not really. But I'm not shut off to the possibility like I am with most other players in this game.

Wondering your thoughts on if you think Gimli's role could possibly be a mafia role? I mean yeah of course it is possible but do you think it is likely?

I don't feel confident making an assessment on that considering the other wacky possibilities this game has already presented
I have it at 'possible' and that's as far as I'm willing to dive into that rabbit hole

[Klick]

Klick

Can you tell this one how you feel on Gimli and furtiveglance?

Furtive is hard hard town. The traitor theory was fun to think about but realistically furtive is doing everything I would expect town!furtive to do and nothing I would expect scum!furtive to do.

I think Gimli is one of the few slots left with scum potential. Do I think he's particularly likely scum? Not really. But I'm not shut off to the possibility like I am with most other players in this game.

Thank you so much!

Thus one got lost on furtive real bad just now but isn't trusting Gimli anymore, mostly cos of associatives with Alisae... pretty flimsy at this point but this one notes what they note *shrug*

For what it's worth, I do also have Alisae as really hard town. I find myself thinking very similarly to e in a lot of ways at the moment. If you value my thoughts here then that's one I'd very much appreciate you taking into consideration.

[Klick]

Peta conftown
Ari conftown
Furtive conftown
Firebringer essentially conftown due to claiming a role that never ever endgames

Both Ari and Firebringer are essentially cops
The game is all but over

[Klick]

Gimli gives us another check at our disposal too

I'm beginning to wonder whether there's 5 scum just because town power is really high just based on what we know so far

[Klick]

Even if we ignore any possibility of clearing and just go with peta's idea of finding 7 town

peta/Ari/furtive/Firebringer is all town. I think disputing these four being town is silly.

So we're looking for three more town in {Klick, Alisae, Black, Asri, Gimli, redFF, Mistyx, fireisredsir, Morning Tweet}

I think the least disputable town in this set of players is Black. I don't think anyone has Black as likely scum for reasons that are valid. Black is probably the only player there that can be considered town with very little controversy.

I'm probably the next closest to a consensus townread but I'll ignore myself for exactly furtive's sake

I think Alisae SHOULD be in the hard town category but everyone is insanely paranoid of losing to e

A case can probably be made for Asri to join the town core? But there are people who disagree with that too

I don't have sufficient confidence in any of the others to advocate for them. Best I can do is say Gimli should probably be in the 'towncore' since he provides us with additional shots.

So... {peta, Ari, furtive, Firebringer, Black, Gimli}. And then one more town for the win.

[Klick]

VOTE: TSQ

Sorry Alisae, town is rejecting massclaim despite it being the stronger play
And since that's the case we're probably best served ending the day before no one wants to play anymore

[Klick]

There's little point in not voting Shea today. What we'd gain from furtive's role we immediately lose because furtive just needs to use it on... Shea.

[Klick]

I know Klick is like conftown almost but why did that seem coordinated?

Because TSQ's self-hammer(?) was very intentional and my vote enabled it

There's little to be gained for scum!Klick to desperately want a hammer to happen though

[Klick]

Black is so town its not funny

This

Even though on their own some of his statements feel concerning the conjecture has been consistent for him throughout the game and considered as a whole feels much more towny than scummy

[Klick]

Wowww my pagetop game

[Klick]

im a novice traffic analyst and MT does not have communications

i am now useless unfort but w/e pls don't shoot there

This would have been a VERY good thing to claim before we voted TSQ! You could have full cleared me

[Klick]

like that role looks like it just can't clear klick

No it clears people as long as there's more than 1 scum alive
Which would have been great to know before TSQ was hammered!

[Klick]

mb we shouldve just stuck TSQ in jail forever and used fire to look for the partner rofl

This is why we needed to massclaim.

[Klick]

lol how can yall be upset. this game is on auto pilot.

But OPTIMAL Firebriar!

[Klick]

Mistyx and redFF are the two realistic scum slots here
Asri Black and Alisae are possible too but they're obvtown

There's an offshot of it being both fireisredsir AND Morning Tweet but that's a later problem

[Klick]

sorry i haven't been reading not caught up i didn't know the vote was being rushed through

Don't worry. It's not really a big deal. Alisae and I just can't be satisfied unless play is 100% optimal.

[Klick]

redff is a neitghborizer ftr

Petapan/redFF last two scum masterminds confirmed

[Klick]

I am loving the energy in this thread rn

[Klick]

hey furtive can u shoot redff
ill hide behind mistyx.

i think vigging the guy with the vig shot is a spectacularly bad idea

Wait is it redFF's vig shot or all of yours

[Klick]

Aristeia has final say on night action usage.

Just so we don't get confused.

[Klick]

So both of those kills were vig shots? Meaning there's not a clear scum kill?

[Klick]

how about this?

ALWAYS TOWN
petapan
Aristeia
furtiveglance
Morning Tweet

----------------

Firebringer hides with fireisredsir
Klick - motivational message start of day
Gimli -vend to someone above line
redFF -vigs Black

fireisredsir <hider>
Alisae <vote out>
Black <vig by redff>

if the mafia shoots above the line then fireisredsir will become conftown and we will maintain 4 conftown into next day?

I like this specifically because it addresses my paranoia of exactly Tweet/fireisredsir.

[Klick]

Fireisred is already conftown

I agree in all situations that aren't exactly {fireisredsir, Morning Tweet}

[Klick]

I want to vote redFF today

[Klick]

Why is morning tweet clear again?

Fireisredsir claims Traffic Analyst and Morning Tweet has no PTs

[Klick]

I am like furtive I don't get to track after three mafia are dead.

U telling me I’m now the tow investigative
Wow

How did I beat out ari for this promotion

She retired

[Klick]

I want to say that Traffic Analyst makes redFF's role more likely scum because every scum except TSQ would have a reason for turning up guilty to Traffic Analyst and that fits with the ethos of already having a 2-scum-1-town neighbourhood

[Klick]

yea I guess if we flip fireisredsir and he flips town that confirms tweet and we can have firebringer keep hiding with alisae to maintain our "clears" at 4 regardless of what the mafia does?

There’s possibility that last mafia is lovers with town I thought of but I don’t know why scum would be weakened like that

I think Shea was just shit posting with that 5 scum shit

Pretty sure Shea shitposted that there were 6 scum

[Klick]

What if it's all scum hood guys

Would be amazed
Klick been too townie by play to do that

Don’t think scum klick could do this kind of play tbh
No offense klick

No this is just an accurate assessment of my skill

[Klick]

What if it's all scum hood guys

Would be amazed
Klick been too townie by play to do that

Don’t think scum klick could do this kind of play tbh
No offense klick

No this is just an accurate assessment of my skill

fr?

No, gb

[Klick]

I think we don't have a protective anymore, which makes the choice of no kill very strange. Sort of points to Alisae not wanting to get guiltied

Submitting a no-kill is essential for Alisae!scum but it is also beneficial for any scum that is not Alisae

[Klick]

I'm not good at actually assessing game balance in detail
Bur I'm getting the impression at this point that town isn't actually powerful enough to justify 5 scum?

[Klick]

Imagine if the one bastard role is a Cult Leader

Talking of, whose role is meant to meet that description?
redFF's? I feel like it ticks more of those boxes if redFF is scum here

[Klick]

You know who was heavily advocating for this thing that we now generally agree would have been a good idea

One of the people who we're considering voting today

[Klick]

VOTE: Alisae

[Klick]

My role is gated, I am out.

Gated how exactly
Can you full claim

[Klick]

I lean towards not trusting MT's claim
But I also struggle to square that with fireisredsir's inno on her without assuming they're just scum together

[Klick]

I guess that's not an inno.

It's from before TSQ died so you can't be scum with TSQ if the result is to be trusted

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I think fireisredsir should be flipped before Tweet always

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maybe it's just Black? I dunno everyone else seems really townie O.o

But so does Black!

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There is a reason Firebringer is never entering the very top bracket of my reads

[Klick]

good morning furtive

you read that backwards mate, peta is voting red

red is voting black

so I did.

I'm slightly lost now, to the point that my genuine thought is...

All scum hood, all scum hood, all scum hood!

At what point has that not been your genuine thought

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VOTE: redFF

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Who claimed Babysitter and who did they target Night 1?