BooneyToonz XVI: Boons Ahoy! - [END]

[Here There Be Dragons]

rawr

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

rawr

~cephy

[Here There Be Dragons]

wow we're already pirate themed. amazing

the idea that hydras post less is a new one to me. i expect we will cure you of that idea

c

[Here There Be Dragons]

yeah! death the to the hydras!

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

what about 36 is AI

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

wait is pirate dice just perudo

c

[Here There Be Dragons]

wow we're already pirate themed. amazing

the idea that hydras post less is a new one to me. i expect we will cure you of that idea

c

prove me wrong pumba

ye'll walk the plank fer yer lip, scallywag

c

[Here There Be Dragons]

i will refer to firebringer as "scurvy dog" for the rest of the game

[Here There Be Dragons]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

It's page 4 can we not start trying to do meta

This is boring, someone do something zany

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

Yep you're right those are the only options oh well

[Here There Be Dragons]

Sure, why not

VOTE: TL

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

avast, me hearties, yer cap'n here be asleep at the wheel... mayhaps this calls for some grog

methinks peregrine be a good and uprightly matey, if they be lookin' fer a shoulder to roost on

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

the ship's doctor be makin' this sea dog want to tie him up in the bilge, but that be as expected. likely that one's heart be out o' sight o' land as well.

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

Matey Theta, to what end did ye bother writin' this empty missive?

likely that one's heart be out o' sight o' land as well.

(to be clear this is supposed to be a good thing. i probably shouldn't run around making up new expressions without explanation)

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

for the record i have no idea what ceph is saying but i love all these piratey posts anyway

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

I still don't strongly scumread students of prudence even though there is a lack of hydra dissonance since students of prudence seems like they could be towny

matey, it be page 8, what be there to dissonate about

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

VOTE: Frogs

okay that reaction from whemestar suggests an associative

explain - i think the opposite

also friends don't let friends preflip

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

And before that post from Lich he has brought up 0 times that he scumreads me and the only read he has given of me is an initial town read so I’m not sure why he thinks it’s associative

Vote lich up let’s go woot woot

okay now you're just openwolfing

VOTE: WhemeStar

and bear in mind an associative makes

both

parties look scummy, your deflection is obvious

girl what

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

am i reading a different game from everyone else

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

VOTE: Frogs

okay that reaction from whemestar suggests an associative

explain - i think the opposite

also friends don't let friends preflip

-c

temporallich i asked you a question and i'd like a response

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

whemestar does smell funny

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

what the hell good is an associative without a flip

[Here There Be Dragons]

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

explain - i think the opposite

also friends don't let friends preflip

-c

the reaction is transparently defending frogs in a scummy way

that's an associative, and you thinking it suggests frogs and whemestar are cross-aligned is baffling and I actually want you reasoning for that
[/quote]

why is it "in a scummy way"

i don't care for the way you're presenting "that's an associative" as though it were fact here

i personally don't think scum respond to a clearly nonserious push on their partner by capslock hardcore defending them. this isn't the first time i've seen very surface level thoughts from you and it makes me wonder whether you're truly thinking about the game

regardless I want to lim one of {Frogs, WhemeStar} today due to an associative

and even if it was pocketing, the distancing suggests it's actually an associative instead

i don't understand how you got from "here's an associative tell" (which you later, almost immediately, admit is weak) to "i want to lim them today." the trajectory isn't there for me

you were defending frogs while not giving a reason

that's it

that's what you want to stake this whole day on

ok dude

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

Lich trying to jump on frogs though felt opportunistic though and a way to get pressure off of themselves

well yeah I can't get the reads I need while under pressure

otherwise any read I make whatsoever will get extreme scrutiny and I might as well just lurk

assuming I'm not under pressure right now: peregrine and doctor drew have towny vibes

assuming I'm under pressure right now: peregrine and doctor drew are NAI

???

these posts are so directly from a scum mindset i almost can't believe they're scum

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

I'm the only one who thinks peregrine's scumcase on me makes sense or at least has a town mindset behind it apparently...

*vanishes from existence*

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

i have whatever the opposite of having the game sorted into piles is

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

cephypoo let's talk about temporal lich sometime today

this is now our hydra thread

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

How are your solves going
Atm I have the game split evenly into 'town' and 'PoE'

do share

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

here's a lead rist

[Town]

Doctor Drew - Very good at generating content and appearing trustworthy

why is this townread alone phrased as if you don't actually townread them

Frogs - No content besides a scummy reaction of a vote on Here There Be Dragons (not having the game sorted is apparently scummy? what?), linked by associative to WhemeStar so if WhemeStar flips scum Frogs is very likely scum

Their post does not say this. let's wait for them to explain

WhemeStar - A quick ISO skim tells me scummy mindset, also defends (not pockets, defends) frogs and I still don't like post 300

[Scum]

i don't believe that you needed an iso skim to decide this slot you've been tilting at for pages is scummy
&
so you want to end the day even though you don't have any scumreads?

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

cephypoo let's talk about temporal lich sometime today

this is now our hydra thread

~std

overall i don't think he makes much sense and i haven't decided yet whether that makes him scum or LHF

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

Doctor Drew is towny but I've played with scum Doctor Drew once and he was very good at being towny

Still, Doctor Drew is a townread and if I didn't think Doctor Drew was town he'd be in the PoE, not at a high position in the lead rist that basically means I have high confidence Doctor Drew is town

WhemeStar is the one who has an associative with Frogs because WhemeStar was defending frogs for some unusual reason. Frogs posted a vote in 316 and it appears to be in response to 315 (otherwise it would be a contextless vote which is scummy for a different reason)

When I made that lead rist I ISO skimmed everyone, WhemeStar appearing scummy when skimmed contributes to my initial scumread (that of defending frogs for a scummy reason)

pedit: well you're still voting me so if I'm LHF that makes you scum

it must be so nice seeing everything in black and white. i said i haven't decided whether you're scum; at the moment i think having my vote on you as pressure is useful in divining further information

it is possible that frogs' vote is in response to 315; it's also possible it isn't. i'd like to hear more from them before we jump to conclusions

was i correct in suggesting that you want to end the day even though you have no scumreads? you skipped that bit

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

(that part about me being LHF while voting me is suspicious)

...did you read it, or...?

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

to here there be dragons: since you admit your vote is for pressure instead of pushing a lim, you're likely trying to paint me as LHF anyway

if i were trying to paint you as LHF wouldn't that indicate that i don't want you to die...


this may sound rhetorical, but it isn't - are you eliminated often?

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

if i had high confidence scumreads, i'd be voting them

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

Ceph TL cares too much about the details of their point of view to be scum
They are portraying really specific ideas and they aren't ideas that would be expected to make people go 'oh TL is towny' and they also aren't persuasive

The only sensible motivation I can see for TL caring about what they care about is if they're town posting actual thoughts

...maybe

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

VOTE: frogs

do something

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

What made you anxious?

Idk exactly, maybe because I've had a run of bad games lately and this is a very strong player list

-cakez

Why would a strong player list make town!you anxious

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

Not to get bogged down in semantics but if the player list is strong won't they be more likely to catch you as scum (anxiety inducing) or tr you correctly as town (not anxiety inducing)?

I feel like your choice of the word strong may betray your alignment

[Here There Be Dragons]

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

Why did alisae (or you) vote for us

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

I get the sentiment but I don't see why it would matter if the player list is strong if you are town and a strong or weak player list would misread you.

I see why it would matter if you were scum though

[Here There Be Dragons]

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

I am struggling to think of a way to explain my thoughts about this page in a way that makes sense outside of my head but!! I think that one of the people who just unvoted Temporal has a higher chance to be mafia!

It feels as if Klick’s post was a marker to unvote Temporal, and this is the part that is hard to explain! I think that the logic that Klick presents makes sense but it also has the assumption that all play that mafia might make is sensible, and I disagree with that idea as sometimes they are throwing things into the wind to see what sticks!! But the read itself is one that sounds “sound” to other players and is a way to disengage as someone else has now handed you the reason!

I will be honest that this is probably! Contingent on what I think of Temporal when I can read more, not being able to post as much in real time kind of sucks but I wanted to point this out while I was here because seeing a wagon fall off that fast is! Something!!

I am here for another few minutes if anyone wants to ask me anything and then I will return later!!

U tryna call me scum m8?

self conscious

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

I normally don't go into the explanations of these kinds of tells because they don't feel intuitively good
But they are like one of the most reliably accurate forms of tell I know of

I'm on an arc of attempting to explain my thought processes logically and seeing the impact that has on the game against my better judgement

i understand. i too find that my reasoning sounds extremely unpersuasive to anyone but me pretty consistently and yet is also somehow right more often than random. it does help me find you as town if nothing else

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

I am struggling to think of a way to explain my thoughts about this page in a way that makes sense outside of my head but!! I think that one of the people who just unvoted Temporal has a higher chance to be mafia!

It feels as if Klick’s post was a marker to unvote Temporal, and this is the part that is hard to explain! I think that the logic that Klick presents makes sense but it also has the assumption that all play that mafia might make is sensible, and I disagree with that idea as sometimes they are throwing things into the wind to see what sticks!! But the read itself is one that sounds “sound” to other players and is a way to disengage as someone else has now handed you the reason!

I will be honest that this is probably! Contingent on what I think of Temporal when I can read more, not being able to post as much in real time kind of sucks but I wanted to point this out while I was here because seeing a wagon fall off that fast is! Something!!

I am here for another few minutes if anyone wants to ask me anything and then I will return later!!

U tryna call me scum m8?

self conscious

-c

Yeah i get called that every game. It's not scum indicative.

i guess you were town the last time we had this exact interaction so... fine

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

cakez is there a reason ali isn't here

also im starting to think drew is actually not annoying me enough to be town this game

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

cakez is there a reason ali isn't here

also im starting to think drew is actually not annoying me enough to be town this game

-c

Wait I annoyed you before?

we played together in a normal game a couple months ago and i was also paying attention to team mafia

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

readlist

meh: everyone else
scurviest dog that ever blighted the seven seas: firebringer

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

Vote early
Vote often
Send frogs to
The coften

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

I'm gonna keep posting fluff to distract you or whatever you said

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

Here there Be Dragons, Peregrine, Frogs, Ranger

Here There Be Dragons - Captain of the Vessel [Who made these guys captain?]
Frogs - First Mate [Until he mutinys against Cephrir/STD]
Ranger - Quartermaster [Probably directing night actions until Cephrir/Alisae takes over]
Peregrine - The Chef [Cooking all the food aboard the vessel is a hard enough life]

Now envision the scum PT:

Cephrir: Ahoy mateys lets have a fun game
Alisae: I am not doing anything, Cakez has to do it all
Cakez: WTF?!?!?!
Save the Dragons: Sucks to be you Cakez
Peregrine: I can't wait to have fun with you all!
Ranger: Gonna be V/LA for a bit but this looks like a good team!

After FB calls them all out:

Peregrine: I am concerned!
Cephrir: Good thing nobody listens to FB
Alisae: Watch im about to send him two thumbsup and a dog emote. Will def trigger him
Cakez: Don't worry, I pocketed fb many times before as scum without even trying. Ill get him again
Save the Dragons: Just keep fluff posting with him, he will be none the wiser
Ranger is missing in action and not here for this conversation.

this theory is bad becuase it fails to account for firebringer - the swabby [we'll keep him around for entertainment]

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

Vote early
Vote often
Send frogs to
The coften

~std

vote out the scumbutts
vote no walk all talkers
send mutinous frogs
to davy jones' locker

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

to be clear i only have mild feelings about frogs i just wanted to rhyme something with davy jones' locker

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

he does it as town too and he is probably the funniest scum so we keep him till last

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

I think fire may have rolled scum too

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

i really want to townread theta alpine but that's too hasty

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

I would like more opinions on stronggate I feel like I caught something but I tunnel pretty easy esp since it's d1

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

I would like more opinions on stronggate I feel like I caught something but I tunnel pretty easy esp since it's d1

~std

it's better than anything else i've got

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

i don't think enchant is scum

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

fwiw with respect to hydra dissonance we're both pretty off the cuff players and we likely will only occasionally talk & try to get on the same page so really you kinda just get double the townie goodness

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

feeling excellent about our vote

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

Frogs and Dragons are obviously distancing between each other

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

huh
so
looks like it is probably between me | enchant | frogs unless someone open wolfs
i mean frogs almost feels like they are at this point but

i am fine with any of these
i got some initial reads out on everyone and those will probably only improve with a flip if scum are actually being competent this game

i feel weird about the idea that these wagons are serious. i don't know why basically anyone is voting the way they are. i got on here to make frogs post and they more or less posted "lmao the very idea that i would do something as plebeian as post" so im still here but it's a very curable vote and... i feel like most of them should be atp?

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

I basically locktowning Theta

This is a good post!

Hello!

Could you or anyone who would want to offer their opinions help me read Enchant? I don’t really know how to approach getting an alignment from him when!! He plays as he is, but if you are saying that he is making a good post it feels like you may have a grip on him?

It feels apt to ask now when he is a potential wagon!!

he's at least trying to play mafia a little bit. for me, that's good enough for day 1 for enchant

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

This is me not moving our vote

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

You can dance around it all you want but until you answer the fundamental question I will want to go for you this game

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

I basically locktowning Theta

This is a good post!

Hello!

Could you or anyone who would want to offer their opinions help me read Enchant? I don’t really know how to approach getting an alignment from him when!! He plays as he is, but if you are saying that he is making a good post it feels like you may have a grip on him?

It feels apt to ask now when he is a potential wagon!!

he's at least trying to play mafia a little bit. for me, that's good enough for day 1 for enchant

-c

That is!!! A very low bar!!

agreed, but i don't want to mislim him every game, so i work with what i've got

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

i dunno why we're panicking about too many townreads, the game just started you aren't going to have the whole solve with no flips the odds of that are uhhh about 0.3% if this were a mini normal, since i don't feel like speculating about whether we have 3/3.5/4 scum

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

I don’t think I’ve been pressured at all this game though or at least I’ve never felt pressured

You literally went full PROTECT ALL HYDRAS when Norwee, Lich, and I all offered some pressure.

dont get why this post is being seen as serious

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

i thought this post could be written by a wolf

Spoiler:

viewtopic.php?p=13778810&f=3&t=90946&us ... #p13778810

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

Vote Count 1.03

Frogs [4]:

Here There Be Dragons, WhemeStar, Theta Alpine, TemporalLich

Enchant [3]:

Malakittens, Emperor flippyNips, Klick

Theta Alpine [2]:

NorwegianBoyEE, Doctor Drew

TemporalLich [1]:

Peregrine,

WhemeStar [1]:

Students of Prudence

Here There Be Dragons [1]:

Frogs

Peregrine [1]:

Firebringer,

Klick [1]:

Enchant

Not Voting

[1]: Ranger

With

15

alive, it takes

8

to fade.

Day 1

ends

(expired on 2023-05-24 01:30:00)

Mod Notes:

Did not count flip nips last vote.

huh
so
looks like it is probably between me | enchant | frogs unless someone open wolfs
i mean frogs almost feels like they are at this point but

i am fine with any of these
i got some initial reads out on everyone and those will probably only improve with a flip if scum are actually being competent this game

i feel weird about the idea that these wagons are serious. i don't know why basically anyone is voting the way they are. i got on here to make frogs post and they more or less posted "lmao the very idea that i would do something as plebeian as post" so im still here but it's a very curable vote and... i feel like most of them should be atp?

-c

Good morning!

I took a detour through your posts after reading Frogs, and I wanted to ask about this post! What about the wagons being taken seriously was weird to you in this moment? They were at 3 | 3 | 3 as someone voted a post or two after this but I don’t understand what made you feel that way, even if you don’t know the reasoning behind every single vote!

despite the page count it still felt kind of like RVS to me, i guess because i don't really buy the theta/enchant wagons as real opinions players have since i don't think they've done anything scummy. i was surprised that theta felt the day was likely to end in one of those three places, since it seemed to me that if there were good cases i would know what they were, and since that meant there were not good cases imo and the deadline is nowhere close, i didn't see why we couldn't end up somewhere else

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

im putting HTBD on ignore
their messages are not coming through
beep beep try again later

-cakez

...why??? what are we doing that is annoying besides scumreading you?

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

so ya I'm just gonna keep sheeping e on HTBD because I hate how they are approaching us this game, its so bad faith

-cakez

...can you back this up i have no clue what you're talking about

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

alisae if you are expecting me to read you a certain way i think it might be relevant information for me to state that i think you would not attempt to powerwolf in this game as you know that i would see through that. i think that you are scum and trying not to powerwolf, and as a result you don't know what to do, which is resulting in the lackluster play you are putting out

but if you are indeed scum feel free to ignore this and i can happily keep doing what i'm doing

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

I do not believe ceph genuinely believes that I am flipping wolf and I feel like he has tried to railroad people and generally be really aggressive and proactive and it is on my radar
also their voting history suggs

so given the above, if you still think i don't believe you are flipping wolf, why?

how am i "railroading people." i don't think im even capable of that?

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

neighbor spec police here

there does not have to be a scum neighbor

thank you for your time

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

you're allowed to have that opinion, though i don't agree with it

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

klick why are you so grumpy this game

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

klick why are you so grumpy this game

-c

i ask because i very recently watched you put up with a lot worse than this with the patience of a saint

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

My tolerance for intentionally being a nuisance is low right now

i guess that makes sense

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

{}
{peregrine, enchant, whemestar, theta, norwe}
{lich, drew, flippy, klick, firebringer}
{students, ranger, malakittens}
{frogs}

std had nothing to do with this list

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

apparently i get to be a contrarian this game, so that's fun

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

Tbh i got a nice big kick right in the face in a game i tried to explain a scum had to be in the hood but we were all town so i’m hesitant to join any vote based purely on neighbour spec anymore.

YES

YEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS

A CONVERT

I AM SO HAPPY

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

Htbd: here's why I think you're scum
Frogs: *trolls and farts out weird reasoning*
Htbd: *trolls back*
Frogs: htbd are being unreasonable

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

one day players will learn that they sometimes think my town game resembles my scum game because my scum game is imitating my town game and im good at it

one day

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

{}
{peregrine, enchant, whemestar, theta, norwe}
{lich, drew, flippy, klick, firebringer}
{students, ranger, malakittens}
{frogs}

std had nothing to do with this list

-c

Can you explain why Whemestar is in the top tier of town?

-F

the top tier of town is left deliberately empty. i am gently townreading them because i think they're scumhunting and what i've seen of their scum game was not very good

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

although i did promise myself that if i rolled scum this game id try to actualy talk and be active and not coast to try and mimic my town game but i dont know if that would actually have happened or not

Fire if peregrine is town and ur wrong can you volunteer to die next

also here are a couple posts i felt were more likely to come from town

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

I want to be confident a claimed neighbor is actually scum before voting, sorry

???????????????????????

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

i mean i am self admittedly a bit waffly

can't even commit to being waffly lmao

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

wheme using the joke defense screams scum

frogs did post a read list in 672 so my assessment that frogs is scummy town is more confident now

how do you expect town to respond if accused of being scum for a joke?

is posting a read list alone +town to you regardless of what it says, or was there something actually town about the post?

why do i feel compelled to try to fix this mafia player.

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

the claimed role is high value

i am starting to think you do not know what a Neighbor is

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

Since its 1 am and i have nothing better to do. I am going to do a ranking list of how prolific I think each poster will be in this game. We will go with who i think will be top to least prolific posters in this game starting with:

1. Firebringer - obvious choice is obvious.

where u at dawg

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

the alignment knowledge is the part of a masonry that is good

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

@whemestar please make a read list so that temporallich will stop voting you

thanks

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

So Enchant has very low scum equity and I should just vote Enchant anyway?

pedit: idk about theta to be honest

you should vote frogs, and everyone else should also vote frogs, including frogs

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

currently my read on frogs is a low confidence scumread, frogs is scum but frogs still has high scum equity so I'm hesitant to vote frogs

yeah I'm not sure if high scum equity is towny or scummy, what I said about frogs and enchant assumes high scum equity is towny

i think i will give up on understanding this user actually.

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

i don't necessarily disagree and, also, i think my desire to get this player to think in a way that i typically expect of individuals from the planet earth is fruitless

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

im kind of surprised im not getting townread tbh, despite everything

def not ready to declare the game easy!

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

You've said yourself that you're really good at emulating your town game as scum and I think I agree
I can't develop a confident townread on you without thinking 'well I suppose scum!Ceph might opt to post that anyway' even if some of your content is towny in a vacuum
I don't think that's true of most players at the table

being seen is the worst

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

me, sowing: silly town, i'm good at mafia
me, reaping: what kind of idiot sowed this trash

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

i see where that's coming from

i don't particularly buy it as real at this time, but ask again later

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

VOTE: Enchant

WhemeStar also claimed neighbor now, and is starting to show a town mindset especially with the reads post in 811

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

im not opposed to a students wagon either

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

thats scum!range for you.

JK

IDK

are you like caught up on the game or ?

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

i think ive just noticed that students are like actually scum for real

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

i think ive just noticed that students are like actually scum for real

-c

Observation skills 0

-F

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

partying in ranger's top tier like



~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

can't hear you over the music try shouting

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

i probably shouldn't townread ranger solely for having a read on the game that aligns so well with my own, but it doesn't hurt

-c

[Here There Be Dragons]

i probably shouldn't townread ranger solely for having a read on the game that aligns so well with my own, but it doesn't hurt

-c

If i were u. I would be like "this is really fucking weird. WHat the hell is going on"
and for u to go "wow thats really townie of mastina" i go "why would u think town mastina has the same opinions as u. She never has same opinions as me when we are same alignment"

i am chalking it up to ranger being a different individual

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[Here There Be Dragons]

I'm wavering between wanting to wait for frogs to claim or not...

so idk, if someone wants to simply lim frogs then please do so

pedit: and now frogs is at E-2 instead of E-1 so I'd have to wait until E-1 again for a claim...

bro why would we not let them claim

TemporalLich [5]: Theta Alpine, Peregrine, Here There Be Dragons, WhemeStar, NorwegianBoyEE
Frogs [7]: Here There Be Dragons, norWegianboyEe, malakittens, Ranger, TL, Flippy, Prudence

Comparing my wagon to TL's early wagon, I want to say there seems like there's more town on TL than there is on my wagon. Norwee and Dragons are both common voters, I say we should kill dragons.

cool you got a single reason or you just gonna keep screeching about it

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[Here There Be Dragons]

okay... a lot of effort out of the aether from frogs and frogs now seems towny

VOTE: Students of Prudence

students of prudence does not appear to be towny to me... can't really think of a reason students of prudence could be town

being at e-1 is hardly out of the aether dude

yeah my main reason for scumreading frogs was a lack of effort combined with calling the wagon unnatural

also I just skimmed Here There Be Dragons' ISO and found this post that seems scummy so yeah Here There Be Dragons is also a worthy lim:

@whemestar please make a read list so that temporallich will stop voting you

thanks

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this feels like an associative to me

i literally cannot with this person i quoted this to respond to it but there is truly no point i don't think we even speak the same language.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

i would love to vote for students of prudence but i don't like the idea of letting scum go for puking a bunch of nothing posts into the thread yall are wack

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[Here There Be Dragons]

whatever they're both scum i don't care

VOTE: students

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[Here There Be Dragons]

i disagree with all wagon speed arguments but it's nice that you have a reason i guess

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[Here There Be Dragons]

I think Emperors ISO looks kinda scummy, but i'm not opposed to Students wagon either.

i don't entirely understand the townreads on that slot -- it's dead null for me, i don't feel like it has done a thing

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[Here There Be Dragons]

the posts you have made aren't good

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Does that include my ones?
Because I'm getting the impression most people have been focusing only on furtive's.
~R

what do you think you have posted that i should be townreading you for

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Does that include my ones?
Because I'm getting the impression most people have been focusing only on furtive's.
~R

what do you think you have posted that i should be townreading you for

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Well.
At least acknowledge that I'm part of the hydra.
That's all I want.
Because I keep on seeing furtive's posts brought up but almost nobody seems to remember I exist.
~R

i didn't do anything to not acknowledge you as part of the hydra, but if you haven't made any posts i should townread you for, maybe i should change that

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[Here There Be Dragons]

im such an amazing 4d chess player that i mindcontrolled the town into creating a students wagon by doing absolutely nothing

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[Here There Be Dragons]

i mean you're going w/ the flow

>cephrir is proactive and pushes frogs hard
"cephrir is in his scum meta for doing stuff"

>cephrir goes with the flow
"cephrir is a 4d superchess double mastermind"

ok

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[Here There Be Dragons]

hey cephrir r u townreading or scumreading ali

i think this is pretty apparent from my post history, but scum

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[Here There Be Dragons]

im kind of surprised that anyone reading the game would not know what my read on frogs is. are you reading the game?

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[Here There Be Dragons]

i don't really have much to say other than frogs bad

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

oh wow i missed a really fast wagon huh
the speed of that wagon on frogs is
a bit concerning to put it lightly
reminds me of the speed of the wagon evaporating from temporal

flippy had an entrance that made me think they were town
after that they have declined a bit though i have not seen anything outright scummy yet

temporal i am still undecided on
they still make uh
not that much sense sometimes

ok i get why people get paranoid about wagon speed even though they are wrong.

but wagon evaporation speed? come on

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Okay, and now I am back to page 49! The last few pages were inscrutable to me!!

Having a read on the Here There Be Dragons slot would be nice but I keep going back and forth! In the other game I was in with Cephrir, I read him based off of many days of play and in that game he sided with the mafia a lot as town (sorry to bring this up Cephrir!!) to the point of silliness! And similarly so, his actions from his role were silly in the context of that game, but without that information to get a handle on him I am struggling! (And I am not ignoring you Save the Dragons, I just don't have that experience with you!)

In the past few pages, the arguments with Frogs did not make much of an impact on me! I think that their reaction post-wagon and my read isn't diminished by anything they said after! If Students of Prudence is the only alternative choice, I would definitely prefer to vote there, but I hope to finish my backreading more before deadline hits!

rude being wrong isn't silly

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[Here There Be Dragons]

ok so malakittens brought in help because she's scum. got it, game solved, ggez (/s)

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[Here There Be Dragons]

fmpov right now this game is coming down to whether we have enough town aligned players from planet earth to get good lims through

i'm townreading everyone who's voting students with me right now and all they have to offer in response is complaints about things that are not even happening and why mes

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[Here There Be Dragons]

destroy all hydras, basically

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[Here There Be Dragons]

destroy all hydras, basically

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You're a hydra.
~R

im willing to die for the cause

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[Here There Be Dragons]

brb recruiting LLD into my hydra so i can make these scum dead

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[Here There Be Dragons]

he also thinks i'm bussing them, i guess, which is certainly a hot take

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[Here There Be Dragons]

i wish i had more to work with to find their partners tomorrow

appears that we do have a critical mass of town aligned earthlings, so that's nice

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[Here There Be Dragons]

so much for giving this game my time

with any luck someone will vig this and save them the effort

think of it as humanitarian

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[Here There Be Dragons]

I think kuribo has made the Mala slot significantly townier

disagree

Irrespective of Prudence's flip here's where my reads currently stand

Frogs
TemporalLich
NorwegianboyEE
Doctor Drew
Peregrine
Kitty Trauma Team

Firebringer
Ranger
Theta Alpine

Emperor flippyNips

Here There Be Dragons
Enchant
WhemeStar


As per usual none of the bottom tier are like particularly strong scumreads but the top town are never scum and the tier below it is probably also 0-1 scum

we clearly need to talk because i don't understand what is happening here

i am very confident in dragons wolf

i am very confident in frogs wolf

i think i will explain it equally little

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[Here There Be Dragons]

seems op and also 4-shot is such a tacky modifier. idk if that makes it fake or just inelegant but smh

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Why is Cephrir or StD never here when i am
Is there a conspiracy going on.

Do i smell funny?

yeah

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[Here There Be Dragons]

it's smellier in there

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[Here There Be Dragons]

both heads going vla for the weekend until May 29th

i feel like my frogs read is pretty stale and was partially based on alisae not doing anything

i still think cakez was pretty scummy tho

im gonna VOTE: firebringer for funzies and my better half can change that if he wants

~std

[Here There Be Dragons]

aight so basically it's unclear whether theta was killed by kitty, wheme, or both

i doubt that wheme was the scum kill? so i'd lean towards wheme or both

i'll review theta when i have more time. not sure where this leaves my reads

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[Here There Be Dragons]

well alright if we're going to start making those noises

we and flippy are theta's neighbors. i think he could still possibly be scum, but we aren't both scum

id like to argue that my pointing out in hood that theta's worrying about being vigged was weird is town indicative but you do you i guess

also can we like chat today or something klick instead of whatever you're currently doing with us. idk im not good at real time interaction but im just sort of confused by your talking exclusively about me rather than to me.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

i did go over theta's hood posts and my takeaway was

-they spent some time interacting with flippy that was not very interesting, which makes me wonder if it was for my benefit
-more "not partnered with TL" indications

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[Here There Be Dragons]

well alright if we're going to start making those noises

we and flippy are theta's neighbors. i think he could still possibly be scum, but we aren't both scum

id like to argue that my pointing out in hood that theta's worrying about being vigged was weird is town indicative but you do you i guess

also can we like chat today or something klick instead of whatever you're currently doing with us. idk im not good at real time interaction but im just sort of confused by your talking exclusively about me rather than to me.

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Hello! What would you like to talk about?

I'm in a place where I feel rather good about a large amount of townreads. The Theta scum flip was affirming with my end-of-D1 reads. Namely, the players I'm most interested in right now as potential suspects are you, flippyNips, Ranger and Enchant.

More generally I don't do that great at talking to people in order to get an accurate read on them. I'm too willing to believe what people say in direct conversation. I find I do best with a more removed lens when it comes to reading individuals.

I just don't really have a reason to think you don't fit nicely into one of the available scum slots left.

kind of an interesting claim given you doing the opposite of that in team mafia. i guess maybe that's when you decided this but that's not really the framing im seeing

i mean im scumhunting but there seems to be this mist of "cephrir can fake anything so he always goes in the poe" for you and if we're going to do that why do i play mafia at all.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Happy to talk about other reads as well. I'm feeling confident in the following players being town, in about this order:

Kitty Trauma Team
Frogs
TemporalLich
Peregrine
Doctor Drew
NorwegianboyEE

yes please i desperately want you to talk about this frogs townread

i dont really get drew either

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Don't know how much we're allowed to discuss Team Mafia yet if at all so I'm going to abstain from that for the moment.

I don't have a reason I believe in to think you're town. And this is different than from what I've seen from either you OR Fen in games where you've both been pretty obvtown! I know you're capable of making me see your alignment so I'm not sure why I'm not seeing it yet. Sitting strangely in a pile of null is a scumtell. It's not just 'I don't think there's anything Ceph couldn't fake,' it's 'this energy isn't giving me the impression that these players are town when I know they are capable of giving that energy as town'.

ok

i can't make std care about the game but i do think this is a version of my town game that is recognizable. i guess it's fine that you don't recognize it

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Drew has made quite a few posts that have made me immediately go 'well that's obvtown' without a ton of further thought
It has happened enough times that I have not evaluated it further and am just assuming its correct
I realise that has room for error and that's why he is towards the bottom but I also don't believe it's a wrong read at all

i can't do much with this!

Don't know how much we're allowed to discuss Team Mafia yet if at all so I'm going to abstain from that for the moment.

we cant

oh. mb

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Like Jesus the words you typed don't even make sense in concept


I AM LITERALLY IN A 1V1 WITH THIS PERSON AND I EXPECT THEM TO FUCKING DIE.

At no point am I even REMOTELY ON ANY WORLD REAL OR IMAGINED trying to PROTECT this person by making it look like low hanging fruit ESPECIALLY when I seem to be the only person that gives a fuck about the slot being scummy as shit.

Tell you what, run the slot up the Fuckin flag pole and see if I back off this wagon, because I won't

And that's a spoiler, not a prediction

you are not in a 1v1. enchant retrated their claim immediately.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Their claim likely isn’t true either

am i the only one reading the game

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[Here There Be Dragons]

look, i wish temporallich were scum too. the dude makes no sense. unfortunately, he just isn't

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[Here There Be Dragons]

theta's iso isn't vcery helpful. flippy stands out a little as someone she made partnery posts about maybe. TL and peregrine don't seem likely partners but i already believed that anyway

without knowing more about the setup that just
feels too powerful to be balanced

so probably no point in further spec as if that was a true claim i think
as much as i want to
boon close the thread and do the flip already i am getting antsy about mechanical speculation

i wonder if this post comes from a scumteam that doesn't have much power.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

i feel like klick and norwe are getting free passes for meh reasons *opens up ur limpool*

my brain wants to do anti neighbor spec wherein there is no scum in the 4 and both my neighbors are scum (i know klick is in that hood; shut up)

im extremely disinterested in voting enchant today

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[Here There Be Dragons]

i feel like klick and norwe are getting free passes for meh reasons *opens up ur limpool*

my brain wants to do anti neighbor spec wherein there is no scum in the 4 and both my neighbors are scum (i know klick is in that hood; shut up)

im extremely disinterested in voting enchant today

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I don't think i'm being "given a pass" in this game.
I'm just being townread.

So do you disagree with their reasoning for townreading me or what?

you've made no impression on me at all

maybe that's a me problem

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[Here There Be Dragons]

What’s going on now?

enchant fakeclaimed tracker and immediately said it was a lie, kitty trauma team and frogs thinks enchant is scum for that reason, I think enchant is locktown because of kitty trauma team and frogs thinking enchant is scum

also theta alpine flipped scum and was consistently townlean reading you so I sense an associative

Bro

u know we claimed 1-shot vig and shot Teta right.....?

So we are basically confirmed town af

~M

It's not really case because Wheme died and could just kill them in retaliation as ability usage.

Therefore you are not confirmed.

This is correct. Even if i were to lean to Kitty’s claim being genuine. There is an possible alternate explanation for Theta’s death.
For example they could in theory fake claim vig after seeing the death of Theta as an way to distance by falsely claiming to have been the cause of a dead scum player.

Then lim us if that's what you think happened

I had two jobs coming into this slot

Get Mala into day 2 and help her hit scum night one

Anything beyond that right now I could give a shit

But anyone that's played with me for two seconds know I don't tolerate soft shade


Lim us. Put your bet on the Fuckin table. No soft shade. No saving us for later.

Lim us and then after you see my claim is 100% legit, you Fuckin murk enchant and Lich

why did you target theta?

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Enchant and Lich both sound informed as fuck about oh obviously Theta tried to kill someone and Wheme killed Theta


Meanwhile in zero realities was Theta townread enough to be performing the scum kill without fear of getting tracked

what if their partners were less townread
what if they were choosing who they could afford to lose rather than who was safest

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[Here There Be Dragons]

cephy is fenrir even reading the game or just phoning it in

we haven't talked at all but we are planning to maybe do so in the near future

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[Here There Be Dragons]

perhaps we have more interesting things to talk about than mafia, such as literally anything

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[Here There Be Dragons]

What’s going on now?

enchant fakeclaimed tracker and immediately said it was a lie, kitty trauma team and frogs thinks enchant is scum for that reason, I think enchant is locktown because of kitty trauma team and frogs thinking enchant is scum

also theta alpine flipped scum and was consistently townlean reading you so I sense an associative

Bro

u know we claimed 1-shot vig and shot Teta right.....?

So we are basically confirmed town af

~M

It's not really case because Wheme died and could just kill them in retaliation as ability usage.

Therefore you are not confirmed.

This is correct. Even if i were to lean to Kitty’s claim being genuine. There is an possible alternate explanation for Theta’s death.
For example they could in theory fake claim vig after seeing the death of Theta as an way to distance by falsely claiming to have been the cause of a dead scum player.

Then lim us if that's what you think happened

I had two jobs coming into this slot

Get Mala into day 2 and help her hit scum night one

Anything beyond that right now I could give a shit

But anyone that's played with me for two seconds know I don't tolerate soft shade


Lim us. Put your bet on the Fuckin table. No soft shade. No saving us for later.

Lim us and then after you see my claim is 100% legit, you Fuckin murk enchant and Lich

why did you target theta?

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Paraphrasing:

M- Wanna track

k- I'd rather kill in case we die N1, track don't do any good if we get NK'd

M- What do you think of Theta?

k- Scum

M- We could track them

k- ain't no way the scum team is sending them to do the kill

M- true. Just submit the action whatever you decide to do

*hours later*

k- hey I sent in a kill on Theta, if they're town then you can just blame me

m- okay

*this morning*

M- OMG THE STREAK CONTINUES

why did you think they were scum

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Enchant and Lich both sound informed as fuck about oh obviously Theta tried to kill someone and Wheme killed Theta


Meanwhile in zero realities was Theta townread enough to be performing the scum kill without fear of getting tracked

what if their partners were less townread
what if they were choosing who they could afford to lose rather than who was safest

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*shrug* you can only account for so many what ifs

i just think it's extremely possible that theta performed the kill and i don't plan to ignore that possibility

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[Here There Be Dragons]

it's not like mega important right now i guess

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[Here There Be Dragons]

in the interest of self metaing urself Cephy.
I don't get why u continue saying ur clearly in ur town meta
can u explain how u see urself and what the hell i am missing that ur so obvious town

i dont think i said clearly, but maybe i did

i felt very righteous and firey d1 and i haven't played a scum game like that (aside from an alt where i always do that on purpose) since, like, it became decently well known that my scum meta was confidence in ~2015

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[Here There Be Dragons]

we and flippy are theta's neighbors. i think he could still possibly be scum, but we aren't both scum

Are all-scum neighborhoods something against the rules of BooneyToonz?
Are all-scum neighborhoods something Flavor Leaf's spoken negatively about previously?

If the answer to both is 'no', then you can't clear the neighborhood.

I've stronger suspects than you or EmperorFlippynips; you're not my current priority. Still, I'm certainly never clearing either of you on setup spec.

i personally would consider an all scum neighborhood to be bastard modding. they already have a scum PT, so the only possible purpose of it is to be a dick to the town.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

I am believing in the universe currently that!! Kitty probably shot Theta as well as Wheme killed Theta! While I thought Wheme looked fine, I would be confused why they were shot outright!! From my own reads it feels like there were townier people who would have gotten shot instead!

Kitty’s conviction about the shot seems real and I agreed very much with the Norwegian post where they said Kitty struggles with others not inherently accepting their reality/truth!! I also think Norwegian is the towniest player in this game!!! I understand that it is a possibility Kitty made up the claim but it doesn’t really feel like that!! It also feels like consistently bringing it up that it could be fake is not a very productive use of time? In that it seems to only needle Kitty and make them harder to interact with!!

i have a sensitivity to false clears. it has on occasion served me well.

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[Here There Be Dragons]

VOTE: flippy

still suspect frogs, and after that i'd be looking at drew/klick/fire

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[Here There Be Dragons]

still suspect frogs, and after that i'd be looking at drew/klick/fire

whats sus about drew

everyone else is townier

i need to do some major review post-vla tho

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[Here There Be Dragons]

TemporalLich [5]: Theta Alpine, Peregrine, Here There Be Dragons, WhemeStar, NorwegianBoyEE
Frogs [7]: Here There Be Dragons, norWegianboyEe, malakittens, Ranger, TL, Flippy, Prudence

I'd like to note: absent from this L-1 wagon was Theta Alpine.

Important; Frogs called the TemporalLich wagon as having more town on it. Theta Alpine was on the TemporalLich wagon, yet

not

the Frogs wagon.

My current assumptions;
Kitty Trauma Team are town who did shoot Theta Alpine;
TemporalLich wasn't scum being bussed by Theta Alpine and is town;
Prudence is town.

Given this and knowing my own alignment, there's not much room for scum on Frogs. {Here There Be Dragons, NorwegianboyEE, Emperor flippyNips} is it.

If there's scum on both wagons and if Frogs is town, this would mean scum went from one mislim wagon, to a different mislim wagon, to a

third

mislim wagon on Students. (Not accounting for there also being a WhemeStar wagon.)
Largely as a group.

Scum generally don't act in that manner. They

can

, if they want to strongly be unified, end the day early, or if they want to save scum. Usually, the answer is something else.

I find it more likely both wagons were driven primarily by town.

frogs is a compromise wagon at best though
low if any content
like sure maybe we should pressure there but ehhhh not really an elim choice unless we get desperate
there has got to be better choices at this point with how long we have been out of rvs it seems
now i just need to find them

frogs
hmmm
i read them earlier and they were firmly null with no content then
their recent posting is
it does feel like appeal to emotion to me
though i would like to see more posting from them first before reaching a decision

hmm
i mean i get called out for appeal to emotion as town sometimes but
i am not sure that is the same thing for me
and i have not done the thing that usually gets me called out for appeal to emotion this game for that matter but it is something i do not think is actually appeal to emotion

hmm
frogs i think we are the scummiest players in the game right now

Theta Alpine notably was on the first Frogs wagon, yet not the second. Theta Alpine was rather hedgey on her Frogs read, treading carefully. She also defended the Frogs wagon off the speed of it.

Theta's iso

could

indicate Theta was trying to pocket Frogs and play around them, yet imo the evidence is stronger Theta Alpine was trying to save a scumbuddy.

VOTE: frogs

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[Here There Be Dragons]

VOTE: ranger
ya i think dragons/ranger are the best flips in the game and if they flipped town I would just be shocked. More so at Ranger than Dragons.

Game might actually be theta/dragons/ranger gg.

is there even the remotest trajectory for this ranger read

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Talking with Alisae is giving me motivation to care about this game to the extent that I do
I am filling a similar role for Ali (ref: the neighbourhood)

We solve very similarly and I am talking with Ali because I think it's a good way to arrive at an accurate solve

This isn't new to this game day.
It was going on day 1 too

Sure that doesn't really change anything
I don't feel heavily invested here rn but I like solving with Ali

cool that's super unhelpful for the rest of us and ali's thought process will remain as opaque to me as it has been the whole game

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[Here There Be Dragons]

so yeah, Enchant is town mostly because of the gambit leading to interactions with Kitty Trauma Team and frogs suggesting that Enchant is town, while Klick is obvtown, involved in the Enchant gambit, and being devoid of any reason to be scum.

so yeah, Klick is pretty much confirmed town, to the point any associative with Klick is worth town points

I don't even know where to begin with you anymore

come hang out in the scum pt with me, it's not worth it

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Ranger's posts give me the distinct impression she's informed about the gamestate and using that information to her advantage. idunno, I thought it was weird that she was the only person that brought up the idea that Wheme could just be targeted, as that's what I was thinking too. But I can't pin out who would also think that wheme was so obvtown that they needed to go, and I think flipping Ranger is probably the first place I would want to look.
It makes sense to me.

What you're saying isn't convincing to me and I think you're scum

[Here There Be Dragons]

Talking with Alisae is giving me motivation to care about this game to the extent that I do
I am filling a similar role for Ali (ref: the neighbourhood)

We solve very similarly and I am talking with Ali because I think it's a good way to arrive at an accurate solve

This isn't new to this game day.
It was going on day 1 too

Sure that doesn't really change anything
I don't feel heavily invested here rn but I like solving with Ali

cool that's super unhelpful for the rest of us and ali's thought process will remain as opaque to me as it has been the whole game

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Show me what helpful reads and takes look like Ceph. Teach me how to play like a good townie

Is it by debating logically the exact reasons why I have come to the conclusion that {Ranger, flippyNips, Dragons} is the most likely place for scum to be?

I often have reasons that do not sound persuasive to a general audience of Mafia players (some of whom are scum whose job is to deconstruct the correct narrative), but nonetheless have fairly accurate reads. This is something we discussed about a week ago in this thread. You said you found it relatable.

If it's not that, then what do I do to be a good helpful townie for you?

you (and ali) could solve in the main thread where i can see it instead of hiding where i can't and treating each other like masons

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Ali is town because e cares about this game at basically the right level of motivation for being vaguely-disinterested town. It's basically the same level I'm at.

All Ali is really doing right now is attempting to solve the game with the little attention e is devoting to it. When Ali makes a post, it's to make an observation e has noticed, and there's no discernable agenda outside of that. E is a fairly open book with eir thought process in the right mindset.

I'm making this post and it's not going to seriously impact anyone's read on the Frogs slot and yet it is reasoning that makes me 99% confident the slot is town.

how does this differ from what anyone else is doing

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[Here There Be Dragons]

Talking with Alisae is giving me motivation to care about this game to the extent that I do
I am filling a similar role for Ali (ref: the neighbourhood)

We solve very similarly and I am talking with Ali because I think it's a good way to arrive at an accurate solve

This isn't new to this game day.
It was going on day 1 too

Sure that doesn't really change anything
I don't feel heavily invested here rn but I like solving with Ali

cool that's super unhelpful for the rest of us and ali's thought process will remain as opaque to me as it has been the whole game

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Show me what helpful reads and takes look like Ceph. Teach me how to play like a good townie

Is it by debating logically the exact reasons why I have come to the conclusion that {Ranger, flippyNips, Dragons} is the most likely place for scum to be?

I often have reasons that do not sound persuasive to a general audience of Mafia players (some of whom are scum whose job is to deconstruct the correct narrative), but nonetheless have fairly accurate reads. This is something we discussed about a week ago in this thread. You said you found it relatable.

If it's not that, then what do I do to be a good helpful townie for you?

you (and ali) could solve in the main thread where i can see it instead of hiding where i can't and treating each other like masons

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U sound kinda like irritated scum here.
Maybe that wasn't your intention but that's what it sounds like.

you got me. i was trying to sound like irritated scum. there is no reason i would be irritated town right now.

if we're going to as a collective continue to be like this i'd rather die now than later

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[Here There Be Dragons]

this day is going to end long before i have time to read the game. probably on me for some stupid ass reason. i do not like this game so i'd probably rather make fun of you from the dead thread anyway

VOTE: flippy this vote will also be scummy somehow

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[Here There Be Dragons]

id like to request we stop clearing klick after i flip town

but i dont know why id expect to be listened to dead when no one has given a shit what i think at any point!

[Here There Be Dragons]

anyway ranger's recent posts indicate scum so I am willing to vote there now

pedit: do you have any reasoning for your flippy vote?

p^2edit:

VOTE: Here There Be Dragons

trying to set up

confirmed town

as an easy lim

cOnFiRmEd ToWn

[Here There Be Dragons]

I don’t really have a goid reason to lock you as scum Dragons. I think Ranger is much more likely to flip scum.
My scumread on you is more because i have reasons to believe most other slots are town and yours i don’t.

yes everyone keeps saying that it's rather tiresome

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Why should I vote for flippy over you or Ranger?
Or otherwise who should I vote for?

Be the change you want to see in the world
'Show me how to be a good townie' was slightly tongue-in-cheek but seriously if you want people to explain their reads more openly, I'm confused why you're not opting to push your own view with reasoning more.

i am vla. i don't have reasoning or time to create any.

you should vote for me. because you are either scum or someone who needs to kill me to get your head screwed on straight.

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anyway ranger's recent posts indicate scum so I am willing to vote there now

pedit: do you have any reasoning for your flippy vote?

p^2edit:

VOTE: Here There Be Dragons

trying to set up

confirmed town

as an easy lim

cOnFiRmEd ToWn

also lol easy lim yes i decided the easiest lim is the guy no one is scumreading and i specifically requested it happen after my death. that is my master plan. how did you know.

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actually yeah I do believe Dragons/Ranger would be a great scum team now, considering that Here There Be Dragons really tried to make Klick who is pretty much confirmed town look like scum with a gambit and that Ranger's recent posts have a scummy mindset

pedit: yeah let's wagon Here There Be Dragons

hmmm i think that would be the worst scum team of all time actually but go off king

what fucking gambit my god you are so frustrating

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welp they got us ranger, pack it up. i hope firebringer can take this one home

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If Ceph was in a place where he's one of the leading wagons and is likely to die today then I could understand his perspective a bit more
But he's not. The wagons are Ranger and flippyNips.
Realistically if one of them dies today and they flip town there's a decent chance the gamestate is different come D3 anyway
And if one of them flips scum that's a good thing

I don't understand Ceph's defeatism from a perspective that isn't 'one of my buddies is in trouble'

there are zero players in this game who are not scumreading me

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Why should I vote for flippy over you or Ranger?
Or otherwise who should I vote for?

Be the change you want to see in the world
'Show me how to be a good townie' was slightly tongue-in-cheek but seriously if you want people to explain their reads more openly, I'm confused why you're not opting to push your own view with reasoning more.

i am vla. i don't have reasoning or time to create any.

you should vote for me. because you are either scum or someone who needs to kill me to get your head screwed on straight.

What's your read on Ranger?
What reason do you have for thinking my head isn't screwed on straight in any way other than thinking you could be scum here?

could be either way but i really hope she's town because it will be annoying if she isn't - i thought her dropping me from top tier townread after the students flip made pretty good sense and risked her pocket of me going away, but there are certainly townreads i feel better about

because you are clearing drew and frogs

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i should just stop posting i'm being an embarrassing mess

sorry

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Frogs is just town, that's non-negotiable

You can try convincing me to care about reconsidering on Drew

it's hard to want to engage with this even if i was fully present and invested.

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im gonna afk until my vla is over, this is pointless

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i don't particularly get why we're doing this

a little puzzled by the backup/split gunsmith interaction i guess

-c

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ive been informed that i should have received an item night 1. i now have said item.

-c

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@mod i'm voting for flippy

Oh, y'arrr, arr yarr?

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if anyone received fruit, please claim so now

hi

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well, the superstar reveal is mod-confirmed, but the claim of holstering feels true

it obviously is, there is no reason to lie about this. that doesnt make it town

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VOTE: ranger

i'll be jailing dragons tonight

you realize this action loses 100% of its town utility if you announce it right

-c

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back now. this probably won't be my top focus in the next couple days tho.

-c

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Hello good evening!! I have been very busy lately! But I am here now for a small bit! And will be back in full force tomorrow!!! (I think I am going to use these emojis more they are nice!!)

I will claim now that I received fruit!! Which is worrisome for clear reasons!!

seemed like everyone missed that i was claiming this as well

so it seems like we've got a few fruit vendors on our hands

-c

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I think a lot of what Ranger is doing is trying to express goals that wolves wouldn't have and present a world view that she cares about.
I think a lot of what I see Ranger doing atm is just throwing whatever it is she can and hoping something sticks. 2325 is complete bullshit, flippy fell apart because town started saying that they felt their role was townie

don't remember this being said more than a little but anyone who did say that is wrong

-c

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The way this day is now being treated as though Ranger's death is predestined feels like intentional narrative control.

But what do I know? I'm just a dragon.

-c

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im rereading the game

based on p1-12

TemporalLich - little sus
Doctor Drew - seems town
Ranger - who
Kitty Trauma Team - mala seems a little sus
Frogs - who
Emperor flippyNips - who
Enchant - town
NorwegianBoyEE - town
Klick - i dunno
Firebringer - i dunno
Peregrine - slight town lean?

~std

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well that's either a scumclaim or a dick move, probably the former

-c

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That Kraken role probably needed to be making some sort of goofy fakeclaim if they wanted to win.

Feels like this might mean we're looking at 3 scum.

Are we ready to think today or are we just going to move straight onto the next mistake?

-c