Pokemon Battles 2 - Attack on Giratina [GAME OVER]

[Titus]

Hey Stargazer! Long time no see. Have a vote.

VOTE: Stargazer

Also, I cannot be targeted by investigative abilities.

[Titus]

who is stargazer??

You. I'm exhausted

VOTE: Skygazer

[Titus]

if anyone is dondozo they should target me.

For clarity, you mean the pokemon and not I'm so done with this?

[Titus]

I just got back from playing ultimate werewolf. I want to put someone on trial. Lmao. That or get blood on the clocktower.

[Titus]

also VOTE: sheepsaysmeep

vibes are off.

Sheep is literally my only townread so far

Rude

Totally. You should townread

Red

Pink Ball.

[Titus]

That and watch videos from The Click.

[Titus]

I'm definitely not comfortable, but I expect literal chaos. So I'm happy. I worry about too comfortable here.

[Titus]

I'm a comfort table

Are you small enough to fit between a driver's seat and passenger seat? I could use a taller armrest.

[Titus]

I'm 16 inches tall, is that small enough?

[Titus]

I wholeheartedly disagree with that statement. I don’t think that level of self consciousness is applicable to 95% of the site

Pedit @Klick

I agree with this.

Same. I feel the opposite is generally true.

Scum can be as scummy fluffy as they want early because at the end of the day, there’s no good case on people early.

Scum don’t care if they almost get faded in early early game because more than likely there’ll be people who go “woah let’s not end the day that fast” and then people will go elsewhere

[Titus]

If we could get some more votes on WhemeStar, that would be great. I would also accept patchwork. Get in on the ground floor of this scum catching opportunity! #girlboss

I don't get why on either of these at this point.

[Titus]

If we could get some more votes on WhemeStar, that would be great. I would also accept patchwork. Get in on the ground floor of this scum catching opportunity! #girlboss

I think it's a fair criticism.
You're coming into the game very hard on a slot that merely posted they don't have time to read the 5 pages. If this is how you typically play regardless of alignment then i won't take too much issue. But still i find it independently to be more likely coming from scum that wants to take a grand standing early but does it by pushing an lurker slot.

I can see this. Neither have anything memorable. Could this be a prefer town but backup scum partner situation?

[Titus]

If Chandra imagined Wheme's inactivity to be scummy, why push it immediately at the start of the game instead of waiting a bit to see if their inactivity is going to be an recurring theme rather than an one-off thing.

Ok, I can do Norway town for now. I'm a little uneasy given I mind melded some with scum in Team mafia. However, it's good for now.

[Titus]

VOTE: patchwork

This feels like a bus?

[Titus]

it is also my first game guys I'm really nervous

It's my first too

[Titus]

This is a very serious forum topic for aggressive mind games, there is no place for tomfoolery here.

weak as hell post tbh

You must be real fun at parties.

That's insulting.

VOTE: Blue

[Titus]

If we could get some more votes on WhemeStar, that would be great. I would also accept patchwork. Get in on the ground floor of this scum catching opportunity! #girlboss

You have my vote. <3


{Pink Ball, jjh927, Doctor Drew, Chandra Nalaar}
{Metens}
{Skygazer, Titus, sheepsaysmeep}
{Klick}
{Not_Mafia}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{Invisibility, SirCakez, Firebringer}
{Magical Girl}
{SquirtleSquad}
{Blue, Black, Flavor Leaf}
{WhemeStar, patchwork}

P9

Has vote...no vote change

[Titus]

here's my opinion: i don't think any of sheep's posts have been particularly AI. they haven't really done anything yet and since we're not even 12 hours in i don't think it's something i can really judge off of. i don't think much is actually happening right now, actually- there's not many Wagons Of Substance that have been actively pushed (or at least not ones i'm paying attention to. i might have to check), and i don't think anyone's really dropping any hard takes. we're barely out of rvs.
i agree with squirtle guy (sorry forgot your username) that sheep is barely contributing. i find it a little strange that they sprang that read on sheep when sheep had four or five posts. i, myself, literally forgot sheep had even posted at all, so i believe that gives squirtle's argument more credibility. i do not think that it's exactly a scumlock on sheep, though. both town and scum can do that, from my pov, and it's not immediately something that can be judged. obviously it'd be nice if they did more stuff, but, again, early-game. not like i have high expectations for a pool of players i've never seen in my life.
klick jumps in to defend sheep. their argument literally revolves around wifom- hence that comment i made about how i felt it was wifom. i think klick's argument is weaker, because wifom can go either way, really. there was more i wanted to say, but i don't really remember klick's argument and i'm not sure how accurate it would be because i'm pretty sure what i remember of it is too oversimplified to go over.

That's a lot of words for refusing to take stances.

[Titus]

If we could get some more votes on WhemeStar, that would be great. I would also accept patchwork. Get in on the ground floor of this scum catching opportunity! #girlboss

You have my vote. <3


{Pink Ball, jjh927, Doctor Drew, Chandra Nalaar}
{Metens}
{Skygazer, Titus, sheepsaysmeep}
{Klick}
{Not_Mafia}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{Invisibility, SirCakez, Firebringer}
{Magical Girl}
{SquirtleSquad}
{Blue, Black, Flavor Leaf}
{WhemeStar, patchwork}

P9

{Pink Ball, jjh927, Doctor Drew, Chandra Nalaar}
{Metens, sheepsaysmeep}
{Skygazer, Titus}
{Klick}
{Not_Mafia}
{NorwegianboyEE, Blue}
{SirCakez, Firebringer}
{SquirtleSquad}
{Black, Flavor Leaf}
{Magical Girl}
{Invisibility}
{WhemeStar, patchwork}

P11

I didn’t even post from Page 9 to Page 11, and I happened to move up? This post came after I was coming after them too.

This is scum political positioning.

I've heard this like 5 times. I'd like to know which reads you think are wrong aka who she's protecting and or shading.

[Titus]

patchwork may be scum, but they definitely did not have an evil plan of deliberately misrepping Squirtle there.

???

[Titus]

What do you think about me being Ranger’s top townread

I don’t care what she’s doing around your slot, tell me why she’s having a political standing with respect to my slot

Like this

[Titus]

I think flavor is towny lol

I was going to say I disagree about ranger but ranger having jjh in like the second-highest tier was what reminded me that jjh exists in the game, so I do sort of see the point about showy/agenda

I like this. I have been wanting to know which of Ranger's reads may have been off to people to read them too.

Sheep townish. Mindmeld.

[Titus]

Brb. Shower breakfast.

[Titus]

I think flavor is towny lol

I was going to say I disagree about ranger but ranger having jjh in like the second-highest tier was what reminded me that jjh exists in the game, so I do sort of see the point about showy/agenda

Hey, I could be wrong on Ranger.

If Ranger ends up being scum, 100% I am correct with my reasoning.

In no world is it a strong enough case right now to like say confidently 100% Ranger is scum, and I accept that. I don’t think one thing ever makes someone scum, it’s the combination of multiple things in conjunction with the gamestate that makes people scum.

And there’s just nothing at this point of the game on anyone that anyone could say they’re 100% scum.

If someone’s that confident, they’re lying to themselves even if they ended up being right

I like this. I felt like the deck was stacked against me from the start in TM for similar reasons.

[Titus]

VOTE: Sheep

I don't get this vote.

[Titus]

Spoiler: vc 1.6

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V OTECOUNT 1.6
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Patchwork (5)	Skygazer, Blue., Magical Girl, Chandra Nalaar, Ranger
Doctor Drew (3)	Pink Ball, SquirtleSquad, Invisibility
Pink Ball (2)	SirCakez, Klick
Sheepsaysmeep (2)	Doctor Drew
Not_Mafia (1)	Not_Mafia
Mittens (1)	Black
Skygazer (1)	Titus
Black (1)	Mittens
Chandra Nalaar (1)	NorwegianboyEE
Ranger (1)	Flavor Leaf
KittyTacky (1)	Sheepsaysmeep
NOT VOTING: jjh927, Firebringer, KittyTacky, WhemeStar, Patchwork
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday

I like the top wagons.

[Titus]

Walk this through for me logically for a moment:

You believe he was trying to get KittyTacked limmed as scum, by pointing to a game where they were scum together, and then telling people not to read it, presumably so they wouldn't catch him?

Also where they left out they were scum with Kitty until I mentioned it?

And then said they didn't want to use that game as an 'important evidence point' after that?

And no, I do not feel that Kitty is scum. I think they were looking for a mislim.....

Huh?

[Titus]

this is just silly VOTE: Drew

But is it scummy?

VOTE: Drew

[Titus]

I’m gonna fine scum and I expect sheep’s

Find I’m dumb

Drunk?

[Titus]

I don’t like Ranger either our reads are so different

you can be my mason buddy

Hmmm

[Titus]

The Elite 6 is probs all town. Ranger pocketed Chandra!

Who?

[Titus]

VOTE: SirCakez

Hmm. I don't recall Cakey but I don't remember your posting.

[Titus]

Don’t blame me this is my 4th post

I don't like this prod dodge.

[Titus]

Squirtle is both times in that list so FL accusing someone out of political positioning while not being consistent with his own list is bad.

Or that’s what I think that Klick meant

Why answer for Klick?

[Titus]

Maybe I'm a sucker for tone but I think Drew is town.

I think Drew and Blue are partners.

[Titus]

It’s something simple really.
If dude is gonna go on vla for 5 days what stops him from just coasting until then?

This is rich from your posting so far.

[Titus]

I don't think discussions about our experiences with the training dummy would be good for the town tbh

It largely just compares who played last game or not. It's spam/busywork. I agree.

[Titus]

VOTE: Cakez

I was thinking scum might enter the thread a certain way and so far this fits

How so?

Blue is asking a lot of questions while contributing nothing.

[Titus]

I read all people who I think have really wide scum ranges this way.

Gtyh what's your read on me?

[Titus]

VOTE: patchwork

This feels like a bus?

My reads as of here are Patchwork with Magic Girl, Blue with Drew.

That feels too easy though.

[Titus]

i dont think titus claims uninvestigatable as scum right off the bat. no result would be nowhere near as damning as a miller kinda thing so i think they wouldn't out that as scum due to the attention it'd draw.

I have claimed a scum role as scum in a game where scum roles were confirmed. Wound up winning that.

[Titus]

Skygazer can be town though.

[Titus]

Blue is giving me major informed vibes jumping in defending Cakez and now Titus

Agreed. People have every right to be suspect of me.

[Titus]

Squirtle is both times in that list so FL accusing someone out of political positioning while not being consistent with his own list is bad.

Or that’s what I think that Klick meant

Why answer for Klick?

It was more like, answering

to

Klick rather than

for

Sorry. Reading fast and I fuck up sometimes.

[Titus]

I am down to policy lim N_M for funsies.

Policy lim D1 is for no SR days or saving major wagons. Not today.

[Titus]

squirtle what do ur main reads look like outside of drew

I’m squirtle’s biggest town read

Squirtle's my biggest TR.

[Titus]

But ok I think patchwork is town, I think firebringer is town very strongly, I think drew is scum. I think ranger and blue are the top of the null scum pile.

Other than that lots of null pings.

You have 5 reads in a 30 page game?

Holy deliberate misrep batman.

VOTE: Blue

Serious vote now.

[Titus]

Holy shit black are you a genius

Pocketed.

[Titus]

Yeah, Squirtle's posting has been weird the past few pages. Feels performative.

Squirtle is my mason buddy.

[Titus]

Whemestar
Firebringer
Pink Ball
Blue.

Sheepsaymeep
Titus
Squirtle
Invisibility
Black
NorwegianBoyEE
Magical Girl

Skygazer
SirCakez

jjh927
KittyTacky
Patchwork
Doctor Drew
Not Mafia
Metens

Ranger
Klick

Chandra Nalaar

half serious reads list half trying to fabricate a la ranger, nobody is Red. orange is lean scum, Pink is lean light scum.

im sure scum are in my town reads.

Wtf, Blue that high?

[Titus]

Si I have Blue, Squirtle, Chandra, FB, Kitty, Klick and patchwork as town.

This is getting closer and closer to being too easy

Different reads but feel the same.

[Titus]

I’ll deescalate this saying that Blue antagonizing literally everyone who has tried to play the game makes Blue probably town which is sad because he’s not cooperating.

Fight between alts is a fun thing to see

I'm literally not trying to be antagonistic, though I am town.

Load of shit.

[Titus]

You see, I came here from the ToS Forum Mafia section. For about a year I played Mafia on that forum, and by the end I was without a doubt the most skilled active player there. Eventually the disparity was so vast that I had to be banned to keep things fair for the rest of the players (officially it was for abrasiveness, as many of their players suffer from SSS and my personality conflicted with that).

Anyway, I always claim day one (and yes it was serious, for those that didn't understand that), and press others for their claims. I do this for the purpose of analyzing the behavior of others to determine if they are scum or town. Already I'm picking apart your posts and those of others for a level of analysis that is probably higher than you could comprehend.

...If I missed your claim, I feel like a dumb ass.

[Titus]

Whemestar
Firebringer
Pink Ball
Blue.

Sheepsaymeep
Titus
Squirtle
Invisibility
Black
NorwegianBoyEE
Magical Girl

Skygazer
SirCakez

jjh927
KittyTacky
Patchwork
Doctor Drew
Not Mafia
Metens

Ranger
Klick

Chandra Nalaar

half serious reads list half trying to fabricate a la ranger, nobody is Red. orange is lean scum, Pink is lean light scum.

im sure scum are in my town reads.

Wtf, Blue that high?

I like blue even though they hate me

This will get sorted.

[Titus]

Gut over mech any day

Hard disagree but we can work together. If we both agree, it's likely right.

[Titus]

snip

...If I missed your claim, I feel like a dumb ass.

I'm a mason with copy and pasta

Oh ok. 5 masons = ez game

[Titus]

Votes that I accept as good reasoning, in no particular order:
Whemestar
Sheep
Dr Drew
Blue*
Invisibility

Boring votes with less than good reasoning:
patchwork
Sir Cakez
Magical Girl
Jjh
Titus

*if you think that Blue is scum you’re wrong but it’s valid

[Titus]

Oh the Masons thing was serious

I don't understand why that was claimed

You guys really think that was serious? Lmao. Any mason claim from Ranger or FA is a joke until d3 or so.

[Titus]

Oh by the way, if no one offers to sign my contract, it's going out randomly.

I missed this...

[Titus]

logging all my random thoughts here while i read pgs 1-10

Titus claims Invest Ascetic? That could be a fakeclaim, Ill call it null for now

(Pink Ball excerpt post here)

soooo much shitposting thank fuck for Spotify beer and skimming

dont really think sheep is scummy and think this wagon is just people making up bs to end rvs

142 is funny and thus townie lmaoo

all of these early pushes are kinda garbage tbh, my only vibe thus far is Pink Ball does actually feel scummy and its not just our pre-declared war. he feels too much like he's worried what people think about him so he's just doing what the thread is doing.

I know who Chandra is and we are probably gonna clash heads at some point and 177 is indicative of that cuz I would probably SR that post from a lot of players. the whemestar vote/push is pretty weak.

197 mind meld with Norwe who saw the same thing I did. +++town points.

Squirtle is definitely making shit up as evidenced by the terrible Doctor Drew vote in 202

my main takeaway from those ten pages is that Chandra's push on Wheme is terrible and clearly made up. Why isn't she attacking me, who has been doing jackshit and even less then Wheme? its such a terrible push and Chandra is wayy better than this.

Not correct. I can only be targeted by certain actions. Investigations is not one.

[Titus]

What is a gth wolf

If forced on their life, they made a choice.

It's gun to head or gun to my head

[Titus]

Willing to sell my day 1 vote. To any of my elite 6

Who?

[Titus]

VOTE: Pink Ball

[Titus]

VOTE: patchwork

This feels like a bus?

Believable, just one problem.
This feels like Titus-scum.
You lack passion.

snip

I agree.

Hmm, last time I saw scumTitus she actually showed some fire.

Fire is NAI. That's RL dependant.

[Titus]

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V OTECOUNT 1.12
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
SirCakez (5)	jjh927, Black, Invisibility, SquirtleSquad, Doctor Drew
Pink Ball (4)	Klick, Firebringer, WhemeStar, Pink Ball
Chandra Nalaar (2)	NorwegianboyEE, Flavor Leaf
Black (2)	Mittens, Blue.
Sheepsaysmeep (1)	SirCakez
Patchwork (1)	Ranger
Not_Mafia (1)	Not_Mafia
KittyTacky (1)	Sheepsaysmeep
Blue. (1)	Titus
WhemeStar (1)	Chandra Nalaar
NOT VOTING: KittyTacky, Patchwork, Magical Girl, Skygazer
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday

While I don't like either wagon, this is useful for VCA. Particularly the disintegrated patchwork wagon.

[Titus]

FL is def town, like I'll be extremely shocked if he's scum.

Same

[Titus]

VOTE: jjh

Yuck.

[Titus]

titus when are you going to mech solve this game.

its kinda bullshit you havent done so already.

I will with flips and claims. Don't worry. You'll be the first to know.

[Titus]

VOTE: patchwork

This feels like a bus?

My reads as of here are Patchwork with Magic Girl, Blue with Drew.

That feels too easy though.

how's it feel like a bus?

Random lurker (at the time) popping in to vote an increasing wagon.

[Titus]

VOTE: Cakez

I was thinking scum might enter the thread a certain way and so far this fits

How so?

Blue is asking a lot of questions while contributing nothing.

You should probably wait to see where I actually go with my posts before jumping to conclusions, because that one definitely had a purpose.

At this point, I just want you dead.

[Titus]

I read all people who I think have really wide scum ranges this way.

Gtyh what's your read on me?

Before this latest push I would have said scum but I'm not sure now. I tend to associate solving WIM with town!titus and I haven't seen any of that from you up until now. I will say a lot of this stuff seems to be very surface level and not solvy but its enough for me to want to give you a pass to let you cook.

I've been on the road and urgently trying to resolve a case.

[Titus]

What I wouldn't give for a VC.

[Titus]

I requested a VC (not a troll one). I think it will help solidify my theory.

[Titus]

Does anyone think it's odd no wagons have staying power? Despite many obvtown, we can't coordinate.

[Titus]

Does anyone think it's odd no wagons have staying power? Despite many obvtown, we can't coordinate.

What do you think that implies and what do you suggest?

Need to see a VC to answer.

[Titus]

I'll be here tonight I hope.

[Titus]

Ok. I need to majorly catch up. I will try to avoid pbp catchup but some will be unavoidable.

[Titus]

I just looked at who in this game I would be willing to kill and its more than half of the playerlist.

1 Save the Dragons
3 SirCakez
5 Pink Ball
6 KittyTacky
7 WhemeStar
8 Blue.
9 Skygazer
10 Doctor Drew
14 Klick
15 Invisibility
19 Not_Mafia
21 Metens
23 Magical Girl

Take away 1, 8, 23

And I am down for it.

You're down for yourself?

[Titus]

I am getting general town vibes from Titus' posts here. I feel she is actually doing some town stuff and not just existing like she does as scum. Someone already said WIM = town Titus

I am down for Cakez. Cakez knows me enough that WIM is RL dependent.

[Titus]

I feel like Pink Ball is engaging with this game from a scum PoV. Like when I read his posts I don't see a town PB generating those posts from his PoV but it definitely would make sense from scum PoV. Like 1429.

At this point, it feels like Cakey is just throwing stuff.

[Titus]

ISO's

1. jjh927

slight wolf

Spoiler:

I may be being lazy but I'm not gonna pass on that invitation. Do you have a real opinion on Pink Ball yet

Y'all I'm here now but I don't really want to read 40 pages I just want to play. Someone talk to me.

I'll try to skim/catch up but I feel my time would be more productive engaging someone

I don't think sitting here waiting for people to ask you questions about a game you haven't read is more productive than reading said game and sharing your thoughts. You don't even have to read it all. Just start somewhere and tell us what you think

I may be being lazy but I'm not gonna pass on that invitation. Do you have a real opinion on Pink Ball yet

Not yet but I'll keep that in mind

What kind of questions did you think people were gonna ask you that would actually be helpful if you haven't got a read on what looks to be an eminently readable slot that you are still voting

I may be being lazy but I'm not gonna pass on that invitation. Do you have a real opinion on Pink Ball yet

Not yet but I'll keep that in mind

What kind of questions did you think people were gonna ask you that would actually be helpful if you haven't got a read on what looks to be an eminently readable slot that you are still voting

If it is so readable, how are you reading it?

Town

Idk I just sort of don't believe this exchange lol
1. it felt like wolfily jumping onto black's accusation
first jjh indulges sircakez with a normal question in 980, and then suddenly he sees something wrong with cakez approach based on black's lead

2. Why are you picking pink ball as the slot you ask about and then making a big deal out of it? feels made up along the way
-if you want another opinion on a slot, I dont think you're asking about a slot that you assert is easily readable as Town
-if you're asking because theyre an interesting slot in this game or one of the more readable slots in this game, that just feels not true lol

In the previous pokemon game which was a upick I was slakoth and could not engage with the battle mechanic or any other mechanic in the game in any way

My name is Slakoth. I'm as old as Gen 3. My turf is in the northeast section of Petalburg Woods, where all the bug catchers are, and I am not married. I do not work, and I spend all of my time at home. I don't smoke or drink. I'm in bed for most of the day, and make sure I get 20 hours of sleep, no matter what. After eating 3 leaves before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a working adult, I wake up with fatigue and stress in the morning, but I then continue to sleep until the evening. I was told they hope to see me again at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who wishes to live a very quiet life. I take care not to trouble myself with any enemies, like winning and losing, that would cause me to lose sleep at night. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight I wouldn't lose to anyone.

Since it has been brought up again, I think all the stuff about keeping quiet about training dummy fights is probably a bit overblown, but there is some value to it

this is just a slightly wolfy post because of the way in which it says nothing

Have you completely ignored the context that I'm voting cakez and cakez is voting pink ball

Like if you ISO JJH I find it very suspicious that his only post in the next ten pages before departure was addressed at this post SRing him. He had nothing else to say? I find it pretty scummy for someone to come in only to defend themselves then leave again.

This is unfair. The game was, and is, moving a mile a minute.

[Titus]

VOTE: drew

VOTE: drew

hi Sheep. What happened to townlean?

I changed my mind I dont like him

These were some very wolfy posts from Sheep again. Still content with my vote here.

Very worried Cakez is not building a townblock.

[Titus]

it's cray cray to me that you saw me point out (I did it multiple times) that my read of titus is dependent on WIM fire being more likely to come from town, saw me use that in real time to try to sort titus, and then didn't remember that at all as part of your attempt to form a read on me.

Like if that is actually what happened what the actual elephants.

There are 70 pages of content in this game, I just can't place every single thing someone said, especially not when it was something vague and NAI like "Titus WIM=town"

Wait, I thought you townread my WIM but now it's NAI? While correct that is a sudden reasonless change.

If I misread and you're saying the comment by Squirtle is NAI that's off too.

[Titus]

At some point you'll have to realize that if everyone's willing to vote me or be suspicious about me, is because I have no partners. Do you think if I had partners I would get bussed on D1? Either I deep wolf and win the game or I DECIDE to get bussed to give my partners a pass. I control the game when I'm scum, even when you think that you have some control is because I wanted to make you feel that way.

Ok Daddy. Seriously, this post is worrying.

[Titus]

I'm sitting here seeing cakez mainly has the same scumreads he had on page 10 and frowning.

That's not really true?

logging all my random thoughts here while i read pgs 1-10

Titus claims Invest Ascetic? That could be a fakeclaim, Ill call it null for now

(Pink Ball excerpt post here)

soooo much shitposting thank fuck for Spotify beer and skimming

dont really think sheep is scummy and think this wagon is just people making up bs to end rvs

142 is funny and thus townie lmaoo

all of these early pushes are kinda garbage tbh, my only vibe thus far is Pink Ball does actually feel scummy and its not just our pre-declared war. he feels too much like he's worried what people think about him so he's just doing what the thread is doing.

I know who Chandra is and we are probably gonna clash heads at some point and 177 is indicative of that cuz I would probably SR that post from a lot of players. the whemestar vote/push is pretty weak.

197 mind meld with Norwe who saw the same thing I did. +++town points.

Squirtle is definitely making shit up as evidenced by the terrible Doctor Drew vote in 202

my main takeaway from those ten pages is that Chandra's push on Wheme is terrible and clearly made up. Why isn't she attacking me, who has been doing jackshit and even less then Wheme? its such a terrible push and Chandra is wayy better than this.

It feels like you just decided to scumread those players early on and stick to it no matter what? I think both Chandra and PB have posted substantial content since then but I don't get the sense you've considered it.

Admittedly, you no longer scumread squirtle, but your turnaround there feels political.

Ugh, is this bussing? I don't expect this posting to be S v S but my gut tells me that.

[Titus]

Just like build an half-assed wagon with enough votes to matter and i’ll join it i guess.
If y’all can even manage that.

Today, you can be my spirit animal.

[Titus]

i wanna see titus' vote count theory thing

+town, will after reading

[Titus]

I do think the fact that the one hydra in the whole game has the lowest thread presence is kind of ???

+chance of being deliberate.

I agree but the hydra is Mew + mala. Not exactly the most active posters around lol

Icky.

[Titus]

I’d rather not vote based on "could be deepwolf" vibes on day 1.

Correct but I'd like to see your thoughts.

[Titus]

I’ve kinda dropped my Ranger read. I vibed with them a bit later.

It really was just a good anchor for me to get in the game.

My Ranger read is stale. Lack of recent posting.

[Titus]

Having witnessed this conversation once I already know it is not worth my time.

Really, is it so hard to believe I'm a human being playing this game and I don't appreciate to be told to shut up for expressing my reads, or being cursed at, or being treated in a demeaning fashion and then getting told it's all in my head and I'm making things up when I complain, that my feelings are not valid? I have never experienced this level of a visceral reaction to what I view as basically normal posts. And no, it's not about the suspicion on me, but the manner in which people like you have repeatedly tried to make me feel like I am not valid and my presence in the game is not welcome. That anything I do to express myself or try to play the game is wrong. I try to approach you respectfully, you tell me to shut up and when I tell you you're being rude, you tell me it's all in my head and I'm not worth your time. I quite literally see no purpose to what you are doing other than to psychologically antagonize me. I don't think it's unreasonable of me to expect the barest shred of empathy when I've been trying to engage with the game respectfully (after literally getting warned by the game moderator for a post I made, which was out of line).


I really thought you were better than this. I'm disappointed.

Even though I scumread you, I want you to know you're welcome and valid.

[Titus]

VOTE: SquirtleSquad
FLASHWAGON

I so want to join for the lulz....oh serpent why do you tempt me!

Major worries here on both.

[Titus]

ya blue is probably less attainable than i thought

VOTE: kitty

+scum

[Titus]

MG/Cakez/Pink

Unless something else happens I want to vote within this 3 I think

Fine with Cakez. Prefer Blue.

[Titus]

Oh but just to be clear:

VOTE: Black

You trying to use TM and changing the rethoric is positioning. You’re scum this game

I don't get a Black scumread this game.

[Titus]

If they don't give me anything, then power lim then tomorrow.

counterpoint: role blocking and etc

there's like a 99.9% chance they have the ability they're talking about if they claimed it this early unnecessarily

Ahh the role block, hopefully that doesn't happen.

And I am fully aware this could all go sideways as well.

Yuck.

[Titus]

Alright. VC search time.

[Titus]

Drew, Skygazer, Blue, Cakez, and Patchwork is my theory right now.

Drew and Skygazer sheep most popular wagons. Blue has been consistently scummy and might be the head. Cakez is flailing caught scum. Patchwork is demoralized.

I think this explains the vote state.

[Titus]

Oh but just to be clear:

VOTE: Black

You trying to use TM and changing the rethoric is positioning. You’re scum this game

I don't get a Black scumread this game.

Would you like a perspective slip if I pointed it out?

Sure

[Titus]

I am sure if I cared I could go through my last few games and find town saying "you're wrong about me" to scum reads pretty much constantly.

Once is good enough. I'd like to see it.

Play wise I feel much better about Black than Blue.

It would be funny though if the scumteam was Black and Blue.

[Titus]

I will argue that Not_Mafia would be better dealt with at night than during the day, so not a top lim pick.

Are you townreading Blue?

[Titus]

@Chandra, I use VCs as a fail safe, particulary when I have a too easy feeling.

Based on the VCs, I worry Blue is town and Cakez is scum but on the other hand I feel like I'm talking myself out of the right pick. Maybe they're both right and scum are splitting the vote.

[Titus]

Hate my life right now.

Anyway Cakez seems like a fine wagon and Blue does not. That’s it for me today.

Question for tomorrow, why?

[Titus]

Also feel better soon NorwegianboyEE.

[Titus]

Not a fan of Black or PB wagons.

[Titus]

The persistence of this wagon and lack of actual viable counterwagon indicates this is on town.

Don't really think this is true at all, day one wagons are always gonna be a crapshoot

Even if this is survivally, it's right.

[Titus]

Hey, going to have moderate activity. Will try nightly. In trial this week.

[Titus]

Hey, going to have moderate activity. Will try nightly. In trial this week.

Hopefully you are found not guilty.

Ranger, how does one display scum motive when replacing in though?

I wouldn't describe Rathe as flailing per se, but seems like they are just doing things to do things.....asking hollow questions, etc

I'm the attorney lmao. I hope for a not guilty too.

[Titus]

I want Raithe or Cakez still. I hate Ranger's reads.

[Titus]

*sigh* My axe is repulsed.

[Titus]

Trying to attend my godson's graduation by zoom. It's not going smoothy

[Titus]

I just don't think Black is scum. Meuh has both Ranger and Dr Drew on it. Realistically, Rathr has too many defenders at this point. Pink Ball sucks.

I'm not starting a new wagon and my favorite is not going to happen.

So I don't mind settling for Cakez. Null scum is better than town.

[Titus]

VOTE: Sir Cakez

[Titus]

I'll be back tomorrow. Probably in the AM. My case should be in the jury's hands.

[Titus]

I finished my trial but I'll be on another road trip. Nightly activity. Also, fuck you who challenged me without a claim.

[Titus]

Like I didn't want to fight anonymous. I could have hurt town. A vig is one thing but forcing me to attack someone I may not want to is bull. Auto 6 is also garbage.

[Titus]

Someone poisoned me
Jerk

Town it up and I'll fix it.

[Titus]

sure, if no one claims to have fought titus. Then we can assume its a scum.
Titus if no one claims to have fought you, please out the pokemon because I can figure out which pokemon players have

Will do.

[Titus]

Someone poisoned me
Jerk

Town it up and I'll fix it.

Your read on me is trash

Prove it. I'm open to it.

[Titus]

I also think yesterday's wagonomics point to the Rathe slot being scum bc why could we not push that through at like L-2
I also just think slots that cycle players constantly are more likely to be scum as a rule of thumb

I almost vigged it. But found someone else scummier.

[Titus]

My month long endless cycle of moving and road tripping and graduating is finally over so I hope to be able to get a lot more engaged in here

You and me both. Find an opinion of mine you think is shit (besides you). Provide reasons. I'm testing you.

[Titus]

VOTE: Metens
sure

If fire's down, I'm down. Not sure if EoD (particularly with Chandra's thoughts on my attacker) but everyone should play.

VOTE: Metens

[Titus]

Someone poisoned me
Jerk

Town it up and I'll fix it.

Your read on me is trash

Prove it. I'm open to it.

What even are your arguments for me being scum? I did a quick little iso and basically you're saying I'm just throwing stuff around and flailing. But I feel like there's a very clear and followable progression in my reads that I really tried to make explicitly clear day one. If anything I think my scum hunting has been more transparent then I usually can make it.

Go ahead. I'm asking you to speak my language because I'm open to being wrong. I got a surprise trial dumped on me and I feel my reads are too easy. So please speak my language. Challenge my thought process. People who object I see as flailing.

[Titus]

Like I didn't want to fight anonymous. I could have hurt town. A vig is one thing but forcing me to attack someone I may not want to is bull. Auto 6 is also garbage.

I also think yesterday's wagonomics point to the Rathe slot being scum bc why could we not push that through at like L-2
I also just think slots that cycle players constantly are more likely to be scum as a rule of thumb

I almost vigged it. But found someone else scummier.

What am I missing here, Titus?

My other post and an OR.

[Titus]

Someone poisoned me
Jerk

Town it up and I'll fix it.

Your read on me is trash

Prove it. I'm open to it.

What even are your arguments for me being scum? I did a quick little iso and basically you're saying I'm just throwing stuff around and flailing. But I feel like there's a very clear and followable progression in my reads that I really tried to make explicitly clear day one. If anything I think my scum hunting has been more transparent then I usually can make it.

Go ahead. I'm asking you to speak my language because I'm open to being wrong. I got a surprise trial dumped on me and I feel my reads are too easy. So please speak my language. Challenge my thought process. People who object I see as flailing.

Im confused what you're even asking here. What is your language?

Challenging my thought process with evidence. I like to see the validity of my thinking.

[Titus]

For instance, I agree with Cakez. But I feel my reads are wrong somewhere. I want to provoke an intellectual discission.

[Titus]

so titus is an uninvestigatable vig who can heal poison? :thonking:

gah that claim is so weird

Yes. It's a very complicated role. I expect someone to be wtf today.

[Titus]

Like I didn't want to fight anonymous. I could have hurt town. A vig is one thing but forcing me to attack someone I may not want to is bull. Auto 6 is also garbage.

I also think yesterday's wagonomics point to the Rathe slot being scum bc why could we not push that through at like L-2
I also just think slots that cycle players constantly are more likely to be scum as a rule of thumb

I almost vigged it. But found someone else scummier.

What am I missing here, Titus?

My other post and an OR.

I have no idea what this means.

Fair. It'll come out.

[Titus]

VOTE: LLD

Why?

[Titus]

Doctor drew is out of the elite 6, STARgazer takes his place.

Drew still might be town, idk. I don't like his sudden push on me EOD. But maybe scum him wouldn't have done that when scum already were getting a misyeet.

Awww, but you like being called scum.

And I could have used MG's little help.

Pre Edit: Fire, did you say PB rages as scum as well, or just town.

Forget to say something?

[Titus]

Doctor drew is out of the elite 6, STARgazer takes his place.

Drew still might be town, idk. I don't like his sudden push on me EOD. But maybe scum him wouldn't have done that when scum already were getting a misyeet.

Awww, but you like being called scum.

And I could have used MG's little help.

Pre Edit: Fire, did you say PB rages as scum as well, or just town.

Forget to say something?

Uhh.....happy Sunday?

I know what happened to you last night.

Both

. So why not say something?

[Titus]

Pink Ball looked like they were annoyed Firebringer was right on them for wrong reasons and not doing anything else.

I could see this. I won't be able to get on board with your you-centric view of game events, but I can work with more concrete things.

Doesn't everyone have a self-centric view? I try not to, but I know I am town. We start with what we know.

[Titus]

METENS WAS A DAY 1 VOTE THAT I WANTED AND IT IS CURRENTLY NOT ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW FOR DAY 2

1) when did u get to decide the table
2) why not

d
Because you guys can't be trusted anymore so im taking charge. I rly believe LLD is scum and am very annoyed that htey came into the game under pressure and stiil was able to lead a dumb wagon and people still just blindly followed because they just wanted to "end the day." Now LLD can come into the thread making excuses that the wagon wasnt theyre fault because they haven't even read the game and you guys will still let them get away with it for 0 reason

Do you think LLD's buddies helped or that she rallied town apathy without dealing with objectors?

[Titus]

Doctor drew is out of the elite 6, STARgazer takes his place.

Drew still might be town, idk. I don't like his sudden push on me EOD. But maybe scum him wouldn't have done that when scum already were getting a misyeet.

Awww, but you like being called scum.

And I could have used MG's little help.

Pre Edit: Fire, did you say PB rages as scum as well, or just town.

Forget to say something?

Uhh.....happy Sunday?

I know what happened to you last night.

Both

. So why not say something?

I took 2 damage somehow, no idea how it happened though.....not sure why I was supposed to say something about it.

Typo? I deal 1 3 or 5 damage when vigging. I heal status effects regardless of if I heal hp or damage.

So just odd.

You always claim vigged for accountability. Own actions.

[Titus]

METENS WAS A DAY 1 VOTE THAT I WANTED AND IT IS CURRENTLY NOT ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW FOR DAY 2

1) when did u get to decide the table
2) why not

d
Because you guys can't be trusted anymore so im taking charge. I rly believe LLD is scum and am very annoyed that htey came into the game under pressure and stiil was able to lead a dumb wagon and people still just blindly followed because they just wanted to "end the day." Now LLD can come into the thread making excuses that the wagon wasnt theyre fault because they haven't even read the game and you guys will still let them get away with it for 0 reason

If LLD is not scum, scum abused the Pink Ball/LLD situation to get momentum onto a wagon and pushed it through. That wagon is scum infested.

Saving Rathe or creating another miselimination?

[Titus]

I hated Drew trying to flashwagon SquirtleSquad. Plus not a single question asking why I targeted him.

[Titus]

But just isoing LLD they just look like theyre trying to lead town and idk why we let pinkballs slot do that in the first place

You aint ever lying.

Was whack.

LLD can lead wrong as town. She masters thread rythym like no other. She is usually but not always right. I lean town there.

[Titus]

I hated Drew trying to flashwagon SquirtleSquad. Plus not a single question asking why I targeted him.

How the fuck would I know you targeted me??

I claimed it...

[Titus]

But just isoing LLD they just look like theyre trying to lead town and idk why we let pinkballs slot do that in the first place

You aint ever lying.

Was whack.

LLD can lead wrong as town. She masters thread rythym like no other. She is usually but not always right. I lean town there.

I don't think I've ever seen LLD win a game. I'm sure she has, I just haven't seen it.

Her end of Day 1 posting was not good.

Why doesn't lld end the day with Rathe elumination?

[Titus]

@FL define main wagon.

I like WhemeStar pushing here. A less active slot doesn't open on LLD here.

[Titus]

I hated Drew trying to flashwagon SquirtleSquad. Plus not a single question asking why I targeted him.

How the fuck would I know you targeted me??

I claimed it...

I just iso'ed you since the day start.

You said nothing about vigging me, just said you found someone scummier to target than I think it was Cakez who was asking.

So again.....how the fuck would i know you targeted me??

I claimed when I said someone would be wtf and I know what happened to you. Both.

[Titus]

I hated Drew trying to flashwagon SquirtleSquad. Plus not a single question asking why I targeted him.

How the fuck would I know you targeted me??

I claimed it...

I just iso'ed you since the day start.

You said nothing about vigging me, just said you found someone scummier to target than I think it was Cakez who was asking.

So again.....how the fuck would i know you targeted me??

And I don't know what to tell you, mod said I took 2 damage and am knocked out.

Also, realized that if I am knocked out I assume I can't initiate a battle, not sure why I didn't put and two together there before lol

But anyways, I do like Wheme not immediately hopping on the Metens wagon tbh.

I didn't knock you out...

[Titus]

Were you prompted to think about this from Titus' post on this in the first place or did you come to that conclusion independently?

titus

If this is a question for me, can you rephrase?

[Titus]

I'd find this "scum doesn't open by pushing LLD" idea a lot more appealing if LLD was like, widely townread and in a super powerful spot. She just lead a wagon on town, replaced one of yesterday's lead wagons and was in some arguments. I don't think it's at all out of the realm of possibility for scum!Wheme to push there. He's just town cause he's solving

Are you familiar with LLD at all?

[Titus]

Scratch that. Mod said I could knock out. Wasn't in text of my role. Still odd on HP damage, but my role cannot cause a death directly so...

[Titus]

I gtg. Will check tonight I hope

[Titus]

Scum like vote spreading and that’s why save that dragons was voting for me at EoD

Going to generate my own theory EoD. Flagging this as it makes me smile. Barring a guilty, you get a pass today. I am a sucker for VCA.

[Titus]

EoReal Life D lmao

[Titus]

LLD, haven't caught up but I totally agree with Drew and Ranger. I don't think the push on you is totally pure and Ranger comes in riding coattails

Ranger might be evil here.

[Titus]

i have jury duty today and i thought there'd be a lot of down time but theyre just throwing us right in i think

Jury duty is 8 to 5 in 99% of places. You get a lunch break.

[Titus]

Chandra is my biggest townread though

Why would Chandra protect a scum player though?

[Titus]

Way too early solve: One of LLD/Black, probs not both.
One of Squirtle/STD, might be both, probs not. based on how supports went to LLD/Black stuff.
A deep scum, like a Chandra/Titus (not necessarily them, but one that can power scum later in the game if necessary)
And then a lurker in the background scum.

If there's 5, throw another in the bottom 2 areas.

.... how would I be "power scum" given my perpetual being behind? I am no longer the legend I used to be. This is worrying.

[Titus]

Chandra is my biggest townread though

Why would Chandra protect a scum player though?

Who is scum player

The one who fought me last night.

[Titus]

I also think yesterday's wagonomics point to the Rathe slot being scum bc why could we not push that through at like L-2
I also just think slots that cycle players constantly are more likely to be scum as a rule of thumb

I almost vigged it. But found someone else scummier.

I agree with this Cakez.

[Titus]

Rathe (10)

Titus, SquirtleSquad,

Doctor Drew

,

Chandra Nalaar

,

Sheepsaysmeep

,

Save the Dragons,

Meuh

,

Firebringer

,

SirCakez

,

Pink Ball

Magical Girl (12)

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Enchant

,

Firebringer

,

NorwegianboyEE, Skygazer, Metens, KittyTacky,

Doctor Drew

,

SirCakez

,

Meuh

,

Sheepsaysmeep

,

Black

On top of the Orange ones probably having scum, the Blue Differences could each contain scum, tbh. I'd be surprised if the Blue doesn't have scum in them.

The way MG went through makes me want to know Rathe's alignment. Did scum resist bc he was scum or useful? Was MG limmed for her opinions or to keep Rathe as a lim?

These wouldn't be resolved with a Rathe flip but would be a start.

[Titus]

Actually now that I look at it, std’s the only player off the Magical Girl wagon I scumread which I think raises his scum equity a bunch
I also don’t townread Titus but I’m nebulous on her
(N_M’s always a question mark but I recall liking his ISO)
Everyone else I townread

That wagon occurred when I was mostly behind/offline. MG FoSing scum is a possibility to me but I need to review her opinions.

[Titus]

Black (4) Rathe, Not_Mafia, Flavor Leaf, Klick

If Rathe is town, this is most likely a ScumBlack world.

Also thinking this
That wagon is pureeeee

I agree minus hesitation on NM.

[Titus]

Squirtle/Blue/Black/LLD square is not pure.

Squints. Town fracture and camp all the time. Sure Blue or Black could be scum but the other two I am TRing.

[Titus]

Remember how I had PB's slot as top-town D1?

Well,

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

If Metens is scum, turbo flip Ranger.

[Titus]

Doctor drew is out of the elite 6, STARgazer takes his place.

Drew still might be town, idk. I don't like his sudden push on me EOD. But maybe scum him wouldn't have done that when scum already were getting a misyeet.

Awww, but you like being called scum.

And I could have used MG's little help.

Pre Edit: Fire, did you say PB rages as scum as well, or just town.

Forget to say something?

Uhh.....happy Sunday?

I know what happened to you last night.

Both

. So why not say something?

I took 2 damage somehow, no idea how it happened though.....not sure why I was supposed to say something about it.

Yeah, I'm not either.

Doctor drew is out of the elite 6, STARgazer takes his place.

Drew still might be town, idk. I don't like his sudden push on me EOD. But maybe scum him wouldn't have done that when scum already were getting a misyeet.

Awww, but you like being called scum.

And I could have used MG's little help.

Pre Edit: Fire, did you say PB rages as scum as well, or just town.

Forget to say something?

Uhh.....happy Sunday?

I know what happened to you last night.

Both

. So why not say something?

I took 2 damage somehow, no idea how it happened though.....not sure why I was supposed to say something about it.

Typo? I deal 1 3 or 5 damage when vigging. I heal status effects regardless of if I heal hp or damage.

So just odd.

You always claim vigged for accountability. Own actions.

What is the benefit of puting yourself as a strong role? How is this person supposed to have arrived at the theory based conclusion that it's correct play to "always claim vigged" when being vigged, surviving, and knowing about it is not a situation that happens ever? Plus, it paints a road map so scum knows who can be easily killed if they have a damaging ability.

METENS WAS A DAY 1 VOTE THAT I WANTED AND IT IS CURRENTLY NOT ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW FOR DAY 2

1) when did u get to decide the table
2) why not

d
Because you guys can't be trusted anymore so im taking charge. I rly believe LLD is scum and am very annoyed that htey came into the game under pressure and stiil was able to lead a dumb wagon and people still just blindly followed because they just wanted to "end the day." Now LLD can come into the thread making excuses that the wagon wasnt theyre fault because they haven't even read the game and you guys will still let them get away with it for 0 reason

If LLD is not scum, scum abused the Pink Ball/LLD situation to get momentum onto a wagon and pushed it through. That wagon is scum infested.

Saving Rathe or creating another miselimination?

Probably saving Black instead of Rathe.

I don't see RatheScum like everyone else apparently does. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought Blue was super townie.

Squirtle and Black kinda look like they double teamed Blue, then Squirtle hopped onto the discredit train when LLD and Black were pushing me too.

But I could see town Squirtle doing that poorly too, but it might not be a coincidence.

Either way, I feel like I was onto something end of the day, with Klick, and Klick was one of my sole defenders end of the day yesterday.

STD also tried to poke holes, but they might just have been actually curious.

I disagree with this on the grounds that Black was never in serious danger.

Like I'm gonna die from these wild encounters level of short end.

I need a big wooden club to beat town players over the head with when they out info for no reason.

Outing who attacks whom gets alignments on the table. We can use that data. S v S rarely happens in hostile mech.

Second, no one can go to negative HP so that's likely what happened with Drew. I thought 0 hp killed not knocked out. This game design is unclear AF.

[Titus]

wait, is ranger an alt?

mastina, the caveat is that ranger is a different personality/style/etc.
I still see it as mastina posting tho

Facet I believe is what you are looking for.

[Titus]

tinfoil of Klick being killed to make me go after the people klick and i were pushing harder.

That's why people die without a role read.

[Titus]

Awww, but you like being called scum.

also to respond to this since i kind of ignored
im just having hard time processing ur scumread on me even though you said i looked scummy for "poisoning the well" on PB/LLD slot. I am not getting where that comes from and feels pretty left field. Don't mind a scumread but the way u progressed to one just seems very odd to me. But i don't think i understand ur process that well

I have kinda come into this day liking FL more and not liking LLD too much, originally I just thought you were setting LLD up to fail and wasn't going to give her a chance and I thought 'could FB be scum scared of LLD being able to turn the PB slot around(PB being town in this scenario)', but I failed to look at things from the opposite scenario.

And you clarified that PB can rage from any alignment, I assumed you meant just as town when you first said it.

So that being said, you will always be scum in my heart.....but leaning back town for you in this game.

Also, I gotta keep sheeping Ranger so I can move back up her rankings.

VOTE: LLD

Yuck. The LLD wagon is yuck.

[Titus]

LLD, haven't caught up but I totally agree with Drew and Ranger. I don't think the push on you is totally pure and Ranger comes in riding coattails

Ranger might be evil here.

Now that I know who it is, my early targeting of them, and then my relief of scum reading them might have just been them handling, and then what Chandra said, scum could be harnessing my chaoticness and letting me run loose. it's an interesting debacle considering Ranger's biggest scum read is the same as one of my lower ones too.

I'm not convinced it's Ranger by any means, but definitely opened it up to the possibility.

I am surprised town Ranger doesn't know it's town me here. Ranger has been an impediment to limming scum. Ranger's push on LLD is a way to punish players for playing the game. Ranger's biggest SRs are the players who started both major wagons yesterday.

[Titus]

Also the VC made me pose the question to you Titus, why is Metens a good vote?

Metens needs to play.

[Titus]

Here's some VCA for Titus.

So Blue and Kitty were tied here...

Spoiler:

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V OTECOUNT 1.19
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Blue. (4)	Titus, Save the Dragons, Skygazer, Meuh
KittyTacky (4)	Pink Ball, WhemeStar, Sheepsaysmeep, SquirtleSquad
Pink Ball (3)	Klick, SirCakez, Black
Meuh (2)	Ranger, Blue.
Metens (2)	Chandra Nalaar, Firebringer
Doctor Drew (1)	NorwegianboyEE
SirCakez (1)	KittyTacky
Chandra Nalaar (1)	Flavor Leaf
Black (1)	Mittens
Not_Mafia (1)	Not_Mafia
Titus (1)	Doctor Drew
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl, Enchant
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday Replacing Blue.

Kitty takes the lead here...

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V OTECOUNT 1.20
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
KittyTacky (6)	Pink Ball, WhemeStar, Sheepsaysmeep, SquirtleSquad, Firebringer, Doctor Drew
Blue. (4)	Titus, Save the Dragons, Skygazer, Meuh
Pink Ball (3)	Klick, SirCakez, Black
Meuh (2)	Ranger, Blue.
Metens (1)	Chandra Nalaar
Doctor Drew (1)	NorwegianboyEE
SirCakez (1)	KittyTacky
Chandra Nalaar (1)	Flavor Leaf
Black (1)	Mittens
Not_Mafia (1)	Not_Mafia
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl, Enchant
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday Replacing Blue.

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V OTECOUNT 1.21
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
KittyTacky (9)	Pink Ball, WhemeStar, Sheepsaysmeep, SquirtleSquad, Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Skygazer, Meuh, Black
Pink Ball (2)	Klick, SirCakez
Blue. (2)	Titus, Save the Dragons
Meuh (2)	Ranger, Blue.
Metens (1)	Chandra Nalaar
Doctor Drew (1)	NorwegianboyEE
SirCakez (1)	KittyTacky
Chandra Nalaar (1)	Flavor Leaf
Black (1)	Mittens
Not_Mafia (1)	Not_Mafia
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl, Enchant
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday Replacing Blue.

And here is when Kitty gets to E-2 and movement begins happening...

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V OTECOUNT 1.22
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P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
KittyTacky (10)	Pink Ball, WhemeStar, Sheepsaysmeep, SquirtleSquad, Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Skygazer, Meuh, Black, Save the Dragons
Pink Ball (2)	Klick, SirCakez
Meuh (2)	Ranger, Blue.
Blue. (1)	Titus
Metens (1)	Chandra Nalaar
Doctor Drew (1)	NorwegianboyEE
SirCakez (1)	KittyTacky
Chandra Nalaar (1)	Flavor Leaf
Black (1)	Mittens
Not_Mafia (1)	Not_Mafia
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl, Enchant
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday Replacing Blue.

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V OTECOUNT 1.23
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Blue. (8)	Titus, Klick, SquirtleSquad, Doctor Drew, Skygazer, Chandra Nalaar, Save the Dragons, Sheepsaysmeep
KittyTacky (5)	Pink Ball, WhemeStar, Firebringer, Meuh, Black
Meuh (2)	Ranger, Blue.
Pink Ball (2)	SirCakez
Doctor Drew (1)	NorwegianboyEE
SirCakez (1)	KittyTacky
Chandra Nalaar (1)	Flavor Leaf
Black (1)	Mittens
Not_Mafia (1)	Not_Mafia
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl, Enchant
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday Replacing Blue.

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V OTECOUNT 1.26
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P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Rathe (10)	Titus, Klick, SquirtleSquad, Doctor Drew, Skygazer, Chandra Nalaar, Sheepsaysmeep, Save the Dragons, Meuh, Pink Ball
SirCakez (3)	KittyTacky, NorwegianboyEE, Firebringer
Black (3)	Mittens, Not_Mafia, Enchant
Meuh (2)	Ranger, Rathe
Chandra Nalaar (1)	Flavor Leaf
KittyTacky (1)	WhemeStar
Pink Ball (1)	SirCakez
Magical Girl (1)	Black
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday Magical Girl is V/LA until Monday

VCA requires analysis...

[Titus]

Here's some VCA for Titus.

So Blue and Kitty were tied here...

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V OTECOUNT 1.19
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P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Blue. (4)	Titus, Save the Dragons, Skygazer, Meuh
KittyTacky (4)	Pink Ball, WhemeStar, Sheepsaysmeep, SquirtleSquad
Pink Ball (3)	Klick, SirCakez, Black
Meuh (2)	Ranger, Blue.
Metens (2)	Chandra Nalaar, Firebringer
Doctor Drew (1)	NorwegianboyEE
SirCakez (1)	KittyTacky
Chandra Nalaar (1)	Flavor Leaf
Black (1)	Mittens
Not_Mafia (1)	Not_Mafia
Titus (1)	Doctor Drew
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl, Enchant
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday Replacing Blue.

Kitty takes the lead here...

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V OTECOUNT 1.20
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P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
KittyTacky (6)	Pink Ball, WhemeStar, Sheepsaysmeep, SquirtleSquad, Firebringer, Doctor Drew
Blue. (4)	Titus, Save the Dragons, Skygazer, Meuh
Pink Ball (3)	Klick, SirCakez, Black
Meuh (2)	Ranger, Blue.
Metens (1)	Chandra Nalaar
Doctor Drew (1)	NorwegianboyEE
SirCakez (1)	KittyTacky
Chandra Nalaar (1)	Flavor Leaf
Black (1)	Mittens
Not_Mafia (1)	Not_Mafia
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl, Enchant
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday Replacing Blue.

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V OTECOUNT 1.21
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P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
KittyTacky (9)	Pink Ball, WhemeStar, Sheepsaysmeep, SquirtleSquad, Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Skygazer, Meuh, Black
Pink Ball (2)	Klick, SirCakez
Blue. (2)	Titus, Save the Dragons
Meuh (2)	Ranger, Blue.
Metens (1)	Chandra Nalaar
Doctor Drew (1)	NorwegianboyEE
SirCakez (1)	KittyTacky
Chandra Nalaar (1)	Flavor Leaf
Black (1)	Mittens
Not_Mafia (1)	Not_Mafia
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl, Enchant
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday Replacing Blue.

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V OTECOUNT 1.22
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P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
KittyTacky (10)	Pink Ball, WhemeStar, Sheepsaysmeep, SquirtleSquad, Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Skygazer, Meuh, Black, Save the Dragons
Pink Ball (2)	Klick, SirCakez
Meuh (2)	Ranger, Blue.
Blue. (1)	Titus
Metens (1)	Chandra Nalaar
Doctor Drew (1)	NorwegianboyEE
SirCakez (1)	KittyTacky
Chandra Nalaar (1)	Flavor Leaf
Black (1)	Mittens
Not_Mafia (1)	Not_Mafia
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl, Enchant
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday Replacing Blue.

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V OTECOUNT 1.23
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P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Blue. (8)	Titus, Klick, SquirtleSquad, Doctor Drew, Skygazer, Chandra Nalaar, Save the Dragons, Sheepsaysmeep
KittyTacky (5)	Pink Ball, WhemeStar, Firebringer, Meuh, Black
Meuh (2)	Ranger, Blue.
Pink Ball (2)	SirCakez
Doctor Drew (1)	NorwegianboyEE
SirCakez (1)	KittyTacky
Chandra Nalaar (1)	Flavor Leaf
Black (1)	Mittens
Not_Mafia (1)	Not_Mafia
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl, Enchant
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday Replacing Blue.

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V OTECOUNT 1.26
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P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Rathe (10)	Titus, Klick, SquirtleSquad, Doctor Drew, Skygazer, Chandra Nalaar, Sheepsaysmeep, Save the Dragons, Meuh, Pink Ball
SirCakez (3)	KittyTacky, NorwegianboyEE, Firebringer
Black (3)	Mittens, Not_Mafia, Enchant
Meuh (2)	Ranger, Rathe
Chandra Nalaar (1)	Flavor Leaf
KittyTacky (1)	WhemeStar
Pink Ball (1)	SirCakez
Magical Girl (1)	Black
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday Magical Girl is V/LA until Monday

This isn't even VCA. It's just VC.

Yeah its missing the part where they color random names and then put on a panda costume and point wildly in the direction of a random name while howling at the moon.

Not howling at...praying to. Just get your facts straight. /s

[Titus]

IMO, the way Titus and I both use VCA is actually incredibly logic based, but it’s logic mixed with Social Dynamics which gets me the label of Chaotic, and Titus the label of “Titus Moon Logic”.

Moral of the story: VCA is logical duh

Stop debating how useful it is. If you use it, use it. If you don't, don't.

[Titus]

Rathe and Black good game state lims.

NM and Metens policy.

Drew and Metens good game state lims.

[Titus]

Why is Metens a good game state lim

LLD wagon is horrible. It might not start if scum weren't scared.

[Titus]

Sure. I'll wear whatever ppl want if they listen. Bonus points if a trenchcoat and a fedora counts.

[Titus]

Rathe and Black good game state lims.

NM and Metens policy.

Drew and Metens good game state lims.

Why is Metens a good game state lim

LLD wagon is horrible. It might not start if scum weren't scared.

How is Metens a good policy and a good gamestate lim? Metens is only a good lim for scum.

A wagon on obvtown sprouted up in response to getting pressure there. Someone wanted to protect a useless slot and punish people who make moves.

[Titus]

Outing who attacks whom gets alignments on the table. We can use that data. S v S rarely happens in hostile mech.

Second, no one can go to negative HP so that's likely what happened with Drew. I thought 0 hp killed not knocked out. This game design is unclear AF.

If this is a correct portrayal of how the battle mechanic works, I care a lot less about outing attacks. I thought we'd be outing our vig for no reason. I still don't think you're a likely scum attack target.

This is how it works. Someone wanted me dead/not to act. That forced my hand today. So I want to know who.

[Titus]

titus i will fite you if you try to pull "policy" bullshit on me

Fighting me would be content so I'm fine with that. I want to hear my kitty.

[Titus]

also like to show he actually cared about defending the metens slot.

Yup. A likely townflipping slot is good for scum in every universe. Lol, this is not the okeydoke you think it is.

Hard disagree. One for one is a great trade, if town lims the scum after.

[Titus]

Squirtle/Blue/Black/LLD square is not pure.

Squints. Town fracture and camp all the time. Sure Blue or Black could be scum but the other two I am TRing.

Doesn’t mean you are correct

True, I'm weakest early. I'll give my thoughts and play with them but I don't try to dominate like the ancient days.

[Titus]

yawn

more votes on italiano or meuh

Meuh? Wtf...

[Titus]

Honestly, Ranger and Drew's flips onto me as suspect because they wrre big parts of the endless day thst was yesterday.

They watched me come in and in a matter of days lead an elimination in very little time. Scum probably participated. The issue for me is that we probably had scum dead yesterday before I joined but town was being distracted.

So I am the distraction again. The plan was flip MG flip me and now everyone forgets about day 1 ish.

I want to kill Drew or Ranger and I am okay killing some of the major day 1 suspects too.

I don't know how we're in lockstep here, but I'll take it for now.

Can you tell me where I'm wrong though? Thoughts on Cakez?

[Titus]

Why is Metens a good game state lim

LLD wagon is horrible. It might not start if scum weren't scared.

Meh I'm not the biggest fan of the LLD wagon but I don't really see it necessarily being a result of scum being scared, especially since I pretty strongly townread the first two LLD voters (Wheme and FL)

Scum tag on the back end of town pushing wrong frequently. I agree with Wheme and FL TRs though.

[Titus]

LLD's entrance and actions are suspicious - but the fact 11 players went along with it is way more suspicious.

How was it suspicious?

The 11 players going on was suspect. I was afk for most of it.

[Titus]

Honestly, Ranger and Drew's flips onto me as suspect because they wrre big parts of the endless day thst was yesterday.

They watched me come in and in a matter of days lead an elimination in very little time. Scum probably participated. The issue for me is that we probably had scum dead yesterday before I joined but town was being distracted.

So I am the distraction again. The plan was flip MG flip me and now everyone forgets about day 1 ish.

I want to kill Drew or Ranger and I am okay killing some of the major day 1 suspects too.

1. So many people contributed to the endless day, why single out just Ranger and myself?
2. Lol, you led a wagon on a lurky slot that people already were talking about limming, at a point a lot of people were just like 'fuck it let's just end the day'.
3. If the plan was to Lim MG and then you, why are you taking credit for the mis-elim on MG? Are you just projecting the first part of your plan and now upset you couldn't follow through on the next part?

You aren't a distraction, you are just scum

It's called taking responsibility. Maybe you should try it.

[Titus]

sure, if no one claims to have fought titus. Then we can assume its a scum.
Titus if no one claims to have fought you, please out the pokemon because I can figure out which pokemon players have

Like you can invwstigate at night or immediately?

what if i told u im informed of all the pokemon everyone has

It was Swinub.

[Titus]

yawn

more votes on italiano or meuh

more votes on std or black

What makes me scum here? I thought we were leaving the Meuh wagon behind

I think I’ve been clearly solving here

This is kind of a weird thought progression imo. If me and StD are your biggest scumreads, why are you trying to convince us you've been solving? Why are you asking us why you're scum? I feel like the natural town!Meuh reaction here would be to discredit us as scum pushing your wagon

Doing both is fine by me. Town doesn't know so we have to reevaluate.

[Titus]

V/LA 6/15-6/20

expect very little from me i will be very busy

Ftr: Me and LLD and Chandra also.

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Sorry for taking like 25% of your PL away Ali.

I DDINT KNOW THAT WAS A FUCKING THING I WOULD HAVE COME

we can take up to 2 more players!

Damn. I wish I had a preplanned vacation. Could have visited my alma matter.

[Titus]

Why is Metens a good game state lim

LLD wagon is horrible. It might not start if scum weren't scared.

Meh I'm not the biggest fan of the LLD wagon but I don't really see it necessarily being a result of scum being scared, especially since I pretty strongly townread the first two LLD voters (Wheme and FL)

Scum tag on the back end of town pushing wrong frequently. I agree with Wheme and FL TRs though.

I know, but I think the specific wording of "it might not

start

" is worth considering when the two people who lead the wagon early on are both likely town here. My point is that momentum starting on LLD wasn't a response to Metens because the wagon's start was organic and town-driven. I do think it's likely that scum hopped on afterwards, but the connection you're making with Metens and thus the idea of Metens being a good game state lim doesn't really click with me.

We have the same conclusions but view it differently. If mala is town, then the assumption Drew and Ranger are scum weakens. If LLD is scum, Drew, mala and Ranger likely town. If mala scum, Drew and Ranger likely scum. If LLD town, mala Ranger and Drew need bullets. We could draw a lot.

[Titus]

Honestly, Ranger and Drew's flips onto me as suspect because they wrre big parts of the endless day thst was yesterday.

They watched me come in and in a matter of days lead an elimination in very little time. Scum probably participated. The issue for me is that we probably had scum dead yesterday before I joined but town was being distracted.

So I am the distraction again. The plan was flip MG flip me and now everyone forgets about day 1 ish.

I want to kill Drew or Ranger and I am okay killing some of the major day 1 suspects too.

1. So many people contributed to the endless day, why single out just Ranger and myself?
2. Lol, you led a wagon on a lurky slot that people already were talking about limming, at a point a lot of people were just like 'fuck it let's just end the day'.
3. If the plan was to Lim MG and then you, why are you taking credit for the mis-elim on MG? Are you just projecting the first part of your plan and now upset you couldn't follow through on the next part?

You aren't a distraction, you are just scum

It's called taking responsibility. Maybe you should try it.

I see more her patting herself on the back, like she is the glue that got to elim. And I don't see her taking responsibility for it, outside of calling herself a distraction, which doesn't make sense.

And we probably had a wagon on scum a few times, if she is going to make responsibility it would be not pushing someone else we already pushed instead of MG and not projecting the blame on others.

But I will hold you to take responsibility if you get your wish of a mis-elim on me, and you should take responsibility for trying to kill someone who is town, it is just lucky that the mechanics are a bit wonky this game.

Who do you think is scum that was wagoned D1?

Second, yes I take responsibility for attacking you, whatever your alignment. Right or wrong, I feel that flashwagon attempt on squirtle was bad. Doing that is wholly inconsistent with your objection to LLD pushing MG.

What gives?

[Titus]

LLD's entrance and actions are suspicious - but the fact 11 players went along with it is way more suspicious.

How was it suspicious?

The 11 players going on was suspect. I was afk for most of it.

The scum-serving agenda is clear. Even a checked out LLD should be able to see it would have been a lot more useful for her to push through one of the actual wagons we had - any of Cakez/Rathe/Meuh/hell even Black would have been better - than shove some random lurker based on her half-assed read of 20 pages.

This sounds like a VCA thing. As someone opposed to that, why would you give a hoot if they had been wagoned? Tone is meant as curious confusion.

[Titus]

What do you think of the LLD wagon?

[Titus]

titus I don't know how you can sit through that every day

i guess it's more engaging when you're doing what you're doing but still

Jury instructions are important and boring. Same with jury selection. It's not like tv.

[Titus]

It's not boring for me, but there is a lot of repetitive stuff.

[Titus]

VOTE: Drew

[Titus]

VOTE: SquirtleSquad
FLASHWAGON

I so want to join for the lulz....oh serpent why do you tempt me!

[Titus]

Flash wagon on Squirt?

Anyone??

No......ok fine

[Titus]

Honestly, Ranger and Drew's flips onto me as suspect because they wrre big parts of the endless day thst was yesterday.

They watched me come in and in a matter of days lead an elimination in very little time. Scum probably participated. The issue for me is that we probably had scum dead yesterday before I joined but town was being distracted.

So I am the distraction again. The plan was flip MG flip me and now everyone forgets about day 1 ish.

I want to kill Drew or Ranger and I am okay killing some of the major day 1 suspects too.

1. So many people contributed to the endless day, why single out just Ranger and myself?
2. Lol, you led a wagon on a lurky slot that people already were talking about limming, at a point a lot of people were just like 'fuck it let's just end the day'.
3. If the plan was to Lim MG and then you, why are you taking credit for the mis-elim on MG? Are you just projecting the first part of your plan and now upset you couldn't follow through on the next part?

You aren't a distraction, you are just scum

It's called taking responsibility. Maybe you should try it.

I see more her patting herself on the back, like she is the glue that got to elim. And I don't see her taking responsibility for it, outside of calling herself a distraction, which doesn't make sense.

And we probably had a wagon on scum a few times, if she is going to make responsibility it would be not pushing someone else we already pushed instead of MG and not projecting the blame on others.

But I will hold you to take responsibility if you get your wish of a mis-elim on me, and you should take responsibility for trying to kill someone who is town, it is just lucky that the mechanics are a bit wonky this game.

Who do you think is scum that was wagoned D1?

Second, yes I take responsibility for attacking you, whatever your alignment. Right or wrong, I feel that flashwagon attempt on squirtle was bad. Doing that is wholly inconsistent with your objection to LLD pushing MG.

What gives?

Second time you mentioned me trying to get a flash wagon on Squirt, I never thought I did but I went back in case I missed it.

I never tried to flash wagon Squirt, in fact there was one attempted that I didn't join.

So, what gives Titus? Do you have a wincon to make sure I am limmed?

And what does Squirt have to do with LLD anyways?

This post is lies.

Truth quoted above.

[Titus]

Drew are you really playing semantics over the word "tried"? Not interested in a back and forth on that. Truth is there. Either people vote or they don't.

What is your read there now?

[Titus]

I'm not really even sure why this is a talking point. Did I miss something? Why does it matter if drew wanted to start a wagon on me or now?

People start wagons all the time?

The wagon on you was bad as you are straight up obvtown. Encouraging it (or whatever language you want to use) was bad. Doubly so because he whines about LLD having stones

[Titus]

ItalianoVD was is pretty pure but I'm frustrated it's not Drew.

[Titus]

Brain.exe has rebooted.

[Titus]

Why are we still thinking Squirtle could be scum.
I might have bought it if they didn’t alt-slip but this really isn’t how they play as scum imo.

Same. Will probably go to Italiano if no one's interested in Drew. Just feel like scum are gunning for SquirtleSquad for no reason.

[Titus]

I can't really speak on Squirtle's meta but I didn't really get the vibe that he was all over the place in TM

How do u not remember day 1.
It was literally shea hoping from sussing one person to the next trying to find an elim
Me and Alisae both started suspecting him because of the hoping looked like he was trying to find a suitable target to elim

I'm trying to forget that game tbh. It felt so bad being eliminated by scum and town with baggage and knowing that I just had to die because the evil team was never going to stop voting for me. Couldn't even bring myself to read my game after I died.