Pokemon Battles 2 - Attack on Giratina [GAME OVER]

[Black]

VOTE: Black

for stealing my pokemon

~M

VOTE: Metens

for not having an avatar

we can share Umbreon if you want

[Black]

I'm mostly caught up

I thought FL giving Ranger flak for empty readslists felt weird because Ranger did the same thing all throughout Demon Slayer and I don't think FL had an issue with it then? I'm not sure why it's suddenly scummy and to me it just reads like FL doesn't like his positioning on the list

@FL would you have made a big deal about the lists if you were ranked higher on them?

[Black]

I'm not picking up what Squirtle is putting down with sheep. I think sheep feels kinda townie with the way he's engaging with arguments/people against him

I also know who Squirtle's main is

[Black]

Also I townread Skygazer for the sole reason that everyone keeps leaving her off of lists and I want her to feel noticed

[Black]

Eh FL is probably town

If this is the end result then I’m finished with that for now. Because that’s where I am at.

Why do you think FL is town?

[Black]

I think Drew might be misinterpreting sheep's comment about his scumgame with Kitty but it doesn't really feel that malicious to me

[Black]

@mod: can you put Skygazer in the "Alive" section in the first post?

[Black]

OH
you always try to meta me black
should've known it was you

It makes me a little sad that you forgot I was in the game

[Black]

i like my vote on patch bc i haven't seen them town tell yet

Has there been a scumtell though?

[Black]

Let's hear it Sky because I'm not seeing it

[Black]

Let's hear it Sky because I'm not seeing it

maybe! i dont wanna give anything away that causes them to modify their behavior quite yet. or maybe i dont wanna embarass myself. or maybe im reaction testing. take your pick

Ok I will let you cook then

[Black]

It’s something simple really.
If dude is gonna go on vla for 5 days what stops him from just coasting until then?

Crippling mafia addiction

[Black]

yeah flavor seems to always have that itch to post a lot regardless of alignment

Same though tbh

[Black]

Though I probably will be taking somewhat of a backseat this game, at least early. I've never been in a game this big so it's a little intimidating, plus I just don't really have a lot of free time these days

I'm much more effective later in the game anyway I think

[Black]

I like my soul but definitely tempting

[Black]

Probs not.

I don't understand. You said your issue with the list was that it felt like political positioning and people were being put in boxes with little to no reasoning. But here you're saying the lists wouldn't have been a big deal if Ranger placed you higher?

[Black]

Black’s posting is weird considering they talked about what Ranger was doing during Demon Slayer but they omitted what I was doing during Demon Slayer.

I don't think this is weird. I brought up what Ranger did in that game because it felt off that you were putting so much stock in her lists when you've had direct experience with her doing the exact same thing before. I don't remember you posting memes and stuff D1 in that game because I barely read it, but I do remember Ranger always putting lists at the end of her posts

I don't think I even understood what you didn't like about Ranger putting you so low until you explained it just now

[Black]

I don't think discussions about our experiences with the training dummy would be good for the town tbh

[Black]

VOTE: Cakez

I was thinking scum might enter the thread a certain way and so far this fits

[Black]

VOTE: Cakez

I was thinking scum might enter the thread a certain way and so far this fits

How so?

He drops in and says he might contribute later. Then he drops a seemingly harmless question asking if people are enjoying fighting the training dummy

I think scum want to get as much info out of town as they possibly can. Talking about our training dummy fights is a great way to do that

[Black]

Cute fight you two but don't let it overshadow this scum post

anyone else having fun fighting the training dummy?
^.^

[Black]

What on earth do you think talking about training dummy fights accomplishes for scum?

Any information scum can obtain about our Pokemon is valuable to them. Even if someone were to say "oh no I'm not having fun the training dummy keeps destroying me!" then that can be useful for the scum. I'm surprised your not seeing how talking about the training battles could be detrimental to the town tbh

It was the most vague, inoffensive question imaginable, do you actually believe scum are going to try to fish out details of people's roles that way?

Yes

[Black]

How odd

[Black]

I don't believe you really believe the words you're writing

I mean you never even responded to me when I said I think scum could fish for info that way. Make your point. Why don't you think scum would fish for info that way?

I think you're looking for an easy target and went after the first thing that wandered in front of you

Cakez isn't the first thing that wandered in front of me though. And I wouldn't exactly describe him as an easy target

Your case is the most contrived thing in the 29 pages so far, so I'm voting you.

It's barely a case. I was waiting for someone to bring up training battles and I think that combined with Cakez not really doing anything is the best lead I have atm

[Black]

But I do think the question was pretty harmless cause the training dummy could be different stats for every1 rigjt

If Cakez is scum then the question was designed to be harmless while still having the potential to provide information to the scum team

[Black]

Also it doesn't really matter what players set their dummy stats as. Conversations about the training dummy only benefit scum

[Black]

i've decided that black pressing me on my patch read means theyre very likely not scum together

Ok that's great but you should have reached this conclusion when patch forgot I was in the mfing game -_-

[Black]

I let you have that pagetop... can I have a Rare Candy pls?

[Black]

If you're going to defend someone at the first sign of pressure, at least provide a reason. Otherwise, kindly let me do my thing.

They did this with Cakez too fwiw

[Black]

Also it doesn't really matter what players set their dummy stats as. Conversations about the training dummy only benefit scum

This grandstanding is very, very fake.

I don't really care if you think it's grandstanding. My goal was to stop that conversation in its tracks and it worked. Whether it's fake or not this action still benefits town

[Black]

I feel like this game/playerlist commits me long-term. I feel like im gonna be alive in like fucking f3 or something in 2 months and I hate it

That's a weird prediction

[Black]

Blue is giving me major informed vibes jumping in defending Cakez and now Titus

[Black]

I think even if Cakez is scum, they didn’t actively try to out people. Seems more like an impulse action that could come from either alignment

Why would scum!Cakez deliberately try to out people though? It makes much more sense for him to drop the training battles comment disguised as a harmless question to see if anyone bites. Much sneakier

[Black]

The claim that you don't know the difference between disagreeing with someone and saying "you must be real fun at parties" and "you are a buzzkill" is also absurd if you're an adult.

this

[Black]

Thoughts and prayers

[Black]

Holy shit black are you a genius

[Black]

Okay so black is going on about how cakez training dummy question could be scummy and I’m like I dknt really agree with that cause I think it can just be a way to start conversation which made me think yeah he’s just trying to start conversation like in an RVS phase but then I’m like hmm why does he need to do that because the game has 20 pages of content and isn’t in RVS anymore so the harmless conversation generating question doesn’t really have a point anymore

Yeah, you're seeing it

Cakez was visibly overwhelmed at the amount of pages in one day and said he might contribute later. Then he poses a question that would add more fluff to the thread? Except this "fluff" could actually be used to determine some things about town players and their Pokemon. Seems off

[Black]

tinfoil that Cakez case is just scum projecting their own thoughts about the training dummy comment.

because i personally dont really think anything of it either way, and the training dummy thing didnt even cross my mind in the slightest.

Talking about training dummy battles can only benefit scum. There's plenty of information scum can get from those conversations. Is Player A really bad at battling? Easy target for scum potentially. Did Player A win all their training battles? Maybe they have a tough Pokemon and scum should avoid them. These are just a couple of examples on why scum might try to talk about training battles

[Black]

Anyway it's not like I'm fully convinced Cakez is scum over this but I had this in my head that scum would probably approach the game this way and then someone actually did it, so I'm happy with my vote for now

[Black]

tinfoil that Cakez case is just scum projecting their own thoughts about the training dummy comment.

because i personally dont really think anything of it either way, and the training dummy thing didnt even cross my mind in the slightest.

Talking about training dummy battles can only benefit scum. There's plenty of information scum can get from those conversations. Is Player A really bad at battling? Easy target for scum potentially. Did Player A win all their training battles? Maybe they have a tough Pokemon and scum should avoid them. These are just a couple of examples on why scum might try to talk about training battles

Sure, I'm not questioning the case.

But town do things that benefit scum all the time. you could be right, im just bringing up my thoughts that it could be projecting what you, possible scum, could see a townie doing a scum beneficial thing and pouncing.

Ok, that makes sense, and this feels like a townie thought process

[Black]

Black do you have any other scum reads

Nothing substantial atm

[Black]

I will say though, this is the most I have ever seen FL post on D1

And he's V/LA?

Definitely crippling mafia addiction

[Black]

Sky what is this copypasta

[Black]

Sky what is this copypasta

it was before your time

[Black]

It's pretty obvious who Squirtle is. To me at least

[Black]

Yeah I'm not sure about Blue but I think Pink makes some decent points about why he might be town

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[Black]

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V OTECOUNT 1.9
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Patchwork (3)	Skygazer, Magical Girl, Ranger
Doctor Drew (3)	Pink Ball, SquirtleSquad, Invisibility
Pink Ball (2)	SirCakez, Klick
SirCakez (2)	jjh927, Black
Black (2)	Mittens, Blue.
Chandra Nalaar (2)	NorwegianboyEE, Flavor Leaf
Sheepsaysmeep (1)	Doctor Drew
Not_Mafia (1)	Not_Mafia
KittyTacky (1)	Sheepsaysmeep
Firebringer (1)	WhemeStar
Blue. (1)	Titus
WhemeStar (1)	Chandra Nalaar
NOT VOTING: Firebringer, KittyTacky, Patchwork
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday

Invis is voting Cakez iirc

[Black]

I'm still under the weather but I still think Drew's town, along with WhemeStar, Flavor Leaf, and

STARGAZER

Skygazer.
Incredibly easy reads but hey reads are reads, right?

What do you mean by "easy" reads?

What does being under the weather have anything to do with your reads?

[Black]

Oh the Masons thing was serious

I don't understand why that was claimed

[Black]

OH
you always try to meta me black
should've known it was you

It makes me a little sad that you forgot I was in the game

im sorry ):

[Black]

patchwork, with love, this kind of catch up is annoying

This is how they do it. Get used to it

[Black]

Y'all I'm here now but I don't really want to read 40 pages I just want to play. Someone talk to me.

I'll try to skim/catch up but I feel my time would be more productive engaging someone

I don't think sitting here waiting for people to ask you questions about a game you haven't read is more productive than reading said game and sharing your thoughts. You don't even have to read it all. Just start somewhere and tell us what you think

[Black]

VOTE: Black

i wanna vote here bc their screaming from the rooftops about not talking about the dummy rubbed me the wrong way

I'm not sure what you mean. I just think scum want to talk about the training dummy fights

[Black]

What do you mean about "keep posting about" it though? I brought it up once and then responded to other people that asked me about it

Also there's sorting going on beyond that so I'm confused why you think I'm using this to not sort?

[Black]

anyways i think competent scum are usually afraid of being accused of fishing so sircakez coming in hot with the dummy thing is kinda +town in my mind oddly enough

Meh. I see what you're saying, but I think competent scum can phrase things certain ways so that they can argue "this is a harmless question, there's no way I'm fishing here."

[Black]

question for black: did you read any of the last pokemon battles game?

No. Should I?

[Black]

Since it has been brought up again, I think all the stuff about keeping quiet about training dummy fights is probably a bit overblown, but there is some value to it

I'm not trying to make it some huge deal. I just had a thought before the game started that scum might want to ask about training battles to get some kind of competitive advantage. I'm not trying to say no one is allowed to talk about them but I don't see any way the town benefits by doing so

[Black]

that being said now i think you scum slipped but im gonna do a quick sanity check

Yeah you're losing it

[Black]

question for black: did you read any of the last pokemon battles game?

No. Should I?

I just quoted the best post from it

But in summary, I lazily caught scum on day 1, there was a kind-of guilty on day 2 due to the way scum#1 had claimed scum#2's role, and then on day 3 we had massclaim and when I put all the mechanical pieces together I determined who the scum was because they fakeclaimed while not understanding quite how battle mechanics worked

Wow. I fully expect you to carry me if you are town

[Black]

I thought this post betrayed some tmi on scum having the ability to challenge players or something but i mulled it over and feel less strongly aaaa

I think I'm assuming that scum have to kill our Pokemon to kill us but I could be completely wrong about that

The more I think about it the more that doesn't make sense actually. It would be too difficult for scum to make kills

[Black]

that might actually be a town slip bc it seems like theyre assuming scum have some form of control over the battles but in the last game it seemed like scum only had the night kills and battles were started in some other way (jjh can probably clarify i only skimmed)

This makes more sense tbh

[Black]

There were (and certainly are in this game) moves that started a battle with other players.

In the previous game, town definitely had at least one but I can't remember if it was a starting move or one gained from evolving.

I don't think scum started with one but if I recall correctly they had potential to get them from leveling up

There is AT LEAST one role designed that way for this game. It was in the role that I didn't choose. So I'm assuming there might be others

[Black]

There were (and certainly are in this game) moves that started a battle with other players.

In the previous game, town definitely had at least one but I can't remember if it was a starting move or one gained from evolving.

I don't think scum started with one but if I recall correctly they had potential to get them from leveling up

There is AT LEAST one role designed that way for this game. It was in the role that I didn't choose. So I'm assuming there might be others

You had to choose between two roles?

Two Pokemon, yeah. I guess everyone isn't cool like me

[Black]

Excuse me?

You're excused

[Black]

the discussion about the training dummy post i made is really dumb. i literally just thought it was a cool mechanic to talk about before i could read up.

If you are town, sure, I guess I could buy that explanation. It just seems weird that someone complaining about the amount of posts in the game would then ask a general question like that to everyone

[Black]

Black why are you being so understanding?

I try

[Black]

Don’t, or I’ll have to scumread you

Do you think I'm more understanding when I'm scum?

[Black]

Don’t, or I’ll have to scumread you

Do you think I'm more understanding when I'm scum?

I think you’re a pain in the ass when you’re town!

Based on the one game we played together where you were scum and I caught onto you early? Lol. I can see why you think I'm a pain in the ass

Careful meta reading me though. Many have tried and they all have failed

[Black]

Probably me.

Why haven't I moved at all? I'm in the same spot you had me in 50 posts of mine ago

[Black]

Probably me.

Why haven't I moved at all? I'm in the same spot you had me in 50 posts of mine ago

I've not observed you or reason to move you yet. Give it time.

I like this answer. I thought you were gonna come up with some bs about how I haven't done anything to warrant being moved but this feels genuine

[Black]

Black I want to townread you but just because I don’t think you deserve to be limmed like ever

Why not?

[Black]

Way too understanding

I like this thought I thought something rly similar in like Black's first few posts

they felt too appeasing

idk the word

Is it because I defended you? Pink is reading me based off of a game we recently played together. Where does your read come from and what do you think it says about my alignment?

[Black]

Pink, Blue, Black because all colors being like team rocket would be kind of in theme almost.

Pink wasn't invited to the PT because he doesn't even have his own version yet

[Black]

What is a gth wolf

[Black]

Pink, Blue, Black because all colors being like team rocket would be kind of in theme almost.

Pink wasn't invited to the PT because he doesn't even have his own version yet

own version of what

ohh game version?

Black isn't a version?!?!?!?!?!?

What? Black is one of the best Pokemon games of all time

[Black]

Oh by the way, if anyone would like to sign a devil’s contract (I’m the devil here), let me know. I can grant you power only at the cost of your soul. It’s first come first serve.

hi

You're gonna have to fight Drew for it. Hope you went to the Pokemon Center first

[Black]

5th gen is great

5th gen is the last one i played i think besides pokemon showdown. i miss the 2d sprites :c

These two can go in my town bin for having solid Pokemon opinions

[Black]

Yeah but 2d sprites are superior

[Black]

Try to keep up you boomer

[Black]

Willing to sell my day 1 vote. To any of my elite 6

NAME UR PRICE

You're not in the Elite 6 buddy. Maybe next year

[Black]

Willing to sell my day 1 vote. To any of my elite 6

NAME UR PRICE

only wheme could call me scum and then turn around and ask me to give him his vote.
classic

I mean in a way it makes sense right? If he thinks you're scum then maybe your vote is better in his hands

[Black]

I still think Cakes is scummy for that dummy question and generally isn't doing very much.

VOTE: SirCakez

Are we reading the same game?
Or nay, are we existing in the same dimension?

Cakez didn't start doing anything until I pushed him

Who are your scumreads?

[Black]

I think I like kitty's catch-up over Norwee's. At least kitty expressed some suspicion. Norwee just townread several people with little to no reasoning and then dipped

[Black]

But you are saying that is the only possible explanation for their recent uptick in content? Because you pushed them?

No, I said nothing like that. I'm just pointing out that your comment to kitty is a little odd and it makes sense now that I know you weren't paying attention to when his activity started

[Black]

I think I like kitty's catch-up over Norwee's. At least kitty expressed some suspicion. Norwee just townread several people with little to no reasoning and then dipped

Dipped? I’ve got a fucking job and a life.

No need to get upset my guy

[Black]

Who are your scumreads Norwee?

[Black]

I'm a little surprised you've read the whole game and you can't think of one specific scumread, but ok, get back to me on that

[Black]

I don't see why that's surprising. We're in day 1 of a huge game.

No scumreads in 52 pages of content seems surprising to me, idk. I don't expect you to have a bunch of anything, but not even one?

[Black]

The only wagon of interest is Cakez which i have already expressed i townread the wagonee, and i'm gonna look at the voters when i have more time to delve deeply into ISO's and stuff.

Sounds good. I'll be looking forward to this from you

[Black]

I certainly don't have a lot of significant scumreads as of right now

But you have at least one, and a quick look at your ISO tells me there's even more than that. I agree that it's player dependent though, and game dependant as well

I think Norwegian has shown some indicators that he's trying to sort the game, regardless.

I'll agree with you here, I'm just not sure if the solving is genuine. I'm willing to give Norwee time to get his footing though and I'm looking forward to the Cakez wagon analysis

[Black]

VOTE: Cakez

I was thinking scum might enter the thread a certain way and so far this fits

How so?

Blue is asking a lot of questions while contributing nothing.

You should probably wait to see where I actually go with my posts before jumping to conclusions, because that one definitely had a purpose.

Let's go back to that. You still never explained why you think that scum wouldn't fish like Cakez did. How do you think scum would fish?

[Black]

Jjh town

VOTE: jjh

?

[Black]

It's not actually something scum do very often at all. It is something scum use to push townies because they take a thing that looks surface-level bad and apply a cookie cutter tell to it

So you agree it looks bad on the surface?

Even asking me "How do you think scum would fish?" feels like a leading question.

Your defense of Cakez felt off. I'm trying to understand your thought process behind it. Idk what you mean by a leading question

[Black]

Oh the Masons thing was serious

I don't understand why that was claimed

You guys really think that was serious? Lmao. Any mason claim from Ranger or FA is a joke until d3 or so.

I have no idea what to believe at this point...

[Black]

I'm actually surprised you're admitting the training dummy stuff looks bad on the surface. I didn't get that vibe at all from these two posts:

VOTE: Cakez

I was thinking scum might enter the thread a certain way and so far this fits

How so?

He drops in and says he might contribute later. Then he drops a seemingly harmless question asking if people are enjoying fighting the training dummy

I think scum want to get as much info out of town as they possibly can. Talking about our training dummy fights is a great way to do that

I think he fell behind regardless of alignment, that doesn't strike me as a tell either way.

What on earth do you think talking about training dummy fights accomplishes for scum? It was the most vague, inoffensive question imaginable, do you actually believe scum are going to try to fish out details of people's roles that way? Like his master plan is to get people to go "yeah I've got +2 ATK so it was easy for me even with -1 DEF"?

I don't believe you really believe the words you're writing, I think you're looking for an easy target and went after the first thing that wandered in front of you. Your case is the most contrived thing in the 29 pages so far, so I'm voting you.

As far as "not assessing deeper motivation" ...what? That's literally what I'm doing by reading Cakez comment as an innocent fishing attempt

[Black]

I was kinda hesitating joining this game in the first place but Alisae kept asking so i relented.
Anyways Cakez wagon has a smaller number of players that will make solving way more manageable for me, even if it means i'm going to ignore all other players in the game while doing this sort of analyzis.

Why do you TR Cakez?

[Black]

Pretty sure i said that earlier.
I don't care to repeat myself.

Cakez is town because it looks like he's solving? Ok...

[Black]

I like the way he is solving and i feel it comes from a town perspective when looking at their posts.
That is good enough.
I feel like you have it in you to doubt everything i say and i don't know if you're doing that because you are scum or you just are extremely hard to please but i find it extremely concerning either way.

I don't trust you. This is a game of Mafia after all, so doubting people is completely normal. It has nothing to do with being hard to please

[Black]

JJH927 i have a townread on. Their cakez read is perfectly natural and there is nothing wrong with their ISO. It's also relatively short but i still feel like i come out of it reasonably confident the slot is town.

What Cakez read? I'm not seeing one, just a random vote

[Black]

JJH927 i have a townread on. Their cakez read is perfectly natural and there is nothing wrong with their ISO. It's also relatively short but i still feel like i come out of it reasonably confident the slot is town.

What Cakez read? I'm not seeing one, just a random vote

Then read again.

Ok I did and couldn't find it. Where does jjh give a read on Cakez?

[Black]

It has to do with your tone. You're acting like you want to hear more from me but then you consistently belittle what i say and go "well that certainly wasn't alignment indicative enough for me", which is something scum can do to seem "reasonable" while at the same time trying to present my slot as an viable miselim

I'm sorry if you don't like my tone. This is generally how I engage with slots I don't really trust. I want to figure out your thought process. I want to hear more from you but that doesn't mean I'm going to like what I hear. And if I don't like something I'm going to question it

[Black]

Now let me ISO you in peace.

I'm not forcing you to reply to me. I'm definitely not going to stop replying to you though

[Black]

Whatever FL I don't really care, I assumed way before this game started that I would be pushed today and I'm fine with it, I feel flattered

Don't worry about it, no one has articulated a case on you beyond "vibes". I started liking you when you made that vote on jjh, anyway.

Why did you like that vote specifically?

[Black]

The timing of it, felt like we wee on the same wavelength and scum doesn't think to make a vote in that spot.

I'm not sure what you mean by your last point

I found it odd that PB voted jjh after townreading him. Does that not bother you at all?

[Black]

I still don't understand why either of you are voting jjh

[Black]

Uhh that's pretty scummy, ngl. I don't think limming a townread to avoid having them replaced is townie behavior

[Black]

The timing of it, felt like we wee on the same wavelength and scum doesn't think to make a vote in that spot.

I'm not sure what you mean by your last point

I found it odd that PB voted jjh after townreading him. Does that not bother you at all?

Why would it? Reads change.

His read didn't change. He wants to lim a townread.

Now does it bother you?

[Black]

I'm policying jjh so we don't have to wait for a replacement, you should join us and speedrun the shit out of this wagon

(I still think jjh's slot is town Black don't worry)

I don't want to lim a townread, Black

What am I missing here?

[Black]

1446 is a joke, that's what you're missing

I see

[Black]

Really feels like you're asking a lot of leading questions

I mean yeah, I expected you to be bothered by the vote after you realized PB still townread jjh, but that was before PB clarified that he was joking about the policy lim

Can you talk to me about your SR on jjh?

[Black]

Can you talk to me about your SR on jjh?

No, not really.

Why not?

[Black]

I don't want to kill the following people today:

jjh927

Firebringer
KittyTacky
Blue.

Skygazer

Doctor Drew
Titus
Chandra Nalaar
Sheepsaysmeep
Klick
NorwegianboyEE

VOTE: jjh

VOTE: skygazer

[Black]

why the read shifts blue?

Good luck. He refuses to talk about his jjh scumread

[Black]

It's a vibe thing, I was okay with giving him a pass for day 1, then I kind of felt him going "duh have you ignored the context" in response to sheep was weak.

So then you waited until after he was being replaced to vote for him? Yeah, I'm not buying this. I don't believe you really had this drastic flip on jjh. Him going from one of your top townreads to you wanting to lim him off "vibes" doesn't feel genuine to me

[Black]

You think I waited until a slot was getting replaced to try to get it killed when clearly there was no appetite for doing so?

The replacement thing barely has anything to do with this tbh. I'm more concerned about your drastic flip on jjh. I'm not sure if it's scum motivated though

I do agree with you on Drew. I think he's town, and this wagon is concerning

[Black]

Black, be honest: how much of you starting to suspect me again is related to Titus coming into the gamethread pushing me?

Wdym "again"? I'm not sure what to make of your slot. I think you're interpreting me questioning you as suspecting you, and I guess in a way I do, but you're pretty null for me. I may disagree with some of your actions but I'm having a hard time figuring out the motivation behind them

[Black]

So if Drew's town, who would you say is likely to be scum on the wagon?

Great question. I haven't really analyzed it as much as I should. I'll get back to you on this

[Black]

Black, be honest: how much of you starting to suspect me again is related to Titus coming into the gamethread pushing me?

Wdym "again"? I'm not sure what to make of your slot. I think you're interpreting me questioning you as suspecting you, and I guess in a way I do, but you're pretty null for me. I may disagree with some of your actions but I'm having a hard time figuring out the motivation behind them

Generally speaking when you accuse someone of saying things that are not genuine in a social deduction game, you are suggesting they are a member of the informed minority faction.

Not necessarily. I think townies do weird and contradictory stuff too

[Black]

I should probably do a readslist tbh. I need to figure out where I stand with everyone. I'll try to work on that today

[Black]

You think I waited until a slot was getting replaced to try to get it killed when clearly there was no appetite for doing so?

The replacement thing barely has anything to do with this tbh. I'm more concerned about your drastic flip on jjh. I'm not sure if it's scum motivated though

I do agree with you on Drew. I think he's town, and this wagon is concerning

And i’d like for you to not kill the momentum on this wagon.
The game needs more deaths so there are less slots to worry about.

The game started 2 days ago...

[Black]

I;m just gonna sheep Pink Ball

I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?

[Black]

That's a good quote for my sig though so thank you

I got you boo

[Black]

Does anyone think it's odd no wagons have staying power? Despite many obvtown, we can't coordinate.

There's room on the Cakez wagon

[Black]

VOTE: Invisibility

[Black]

Play seriously come onnn

Am I sensing frustration here?

[Black]

Out there? I wouldn't really say I'm focused on anything. I'm just engaging with people and trying to form reads

Idk what you mean by this because you sorta agreed with me about Cakez and we agree about Invisibility...so how "out there" am I really?

[Black]

I don't mean your opinions I mean your questions

Ok

[Black]

Save the Dragons replaces jjh927

(vc in about 10mins)

hi

[Black]

Pink's reaction to his wagon gives me Team Mafia vibes where he was scum and he used AtE and manufactured anger to make it extremely uncomfortable to continue to push him. I'm not falling for it again

VOTE: Pink Ball

[Black]

[Black]

You think I waited until a slot was getting replaced to try to get it killed when clearly there was no appetite for doing so?

The replacement thing barely has anything to do with this tbh. I'm more concerned about your drastic flip on jjh. I'm not sure if it's scum motivated though

I do agree with you on Drew. I think he's town, and this wagon is concerning

And i’d like for you to not kill the momentum on this wagon.
The game needs more deaths so there are less slots to worry about.

Play seriously come onnn

Just like build an half-assed wagon with enough votes to matter and i’ll join it i guess.
If y’all can even manage that.

i wanna see titus' vote count theory thing

Can’t say i usually share that excitement, but hey maybe that’s exactly what this game needs.

There's always that one guy that posts too much game commentary. The game doesn't need anything except more content from slots like yours

[Black]

Am i annoying you? Do you scumread me?

No, and not really. I think you not wanting to take any stances or do anything at all really is kinda anti town but I think you're just overwhelmed or lazy or maybe both. Like I don't think your post about just jumping on any wagon that gets thrown together is very townie

You mentioned yesterday that you think talking about wagons is productive but you haven't said anything about Drew's wagon or Pink's wagon. You're just sitting in the corner rambling about "what this game needs" while people are doing stuff around you

[Black]

Norwees tone usually feels different when he's scum and I haven't picked up on it yet.

This is good to know and I'll consider it. What is his tone like when he's scum?

[Black]

Yeah i don’t really like the way this game is being played right now so i’m an grumpy old man mumbling in the corner.

What don't you like about the game?

[Black]

Other than the amount of posts obviously

[Black]

(And no, 4 votes on a slot is not a real wagon)

4 isn't a wagon but 5 is?

I feel like we're going to talk until deadline here, have 200 pages of useless info that nobody wants to read

You signed up for a Mafia game. If you don't want to read stuff then go play Rocket League lol

[Black]

So who wants to vote Drew?

Drew is town but you're welcome to join the Pink wagon

[Black]

There has been 4 wagons of 5+ votes in less than 4 days of game time. Complaining about no wagons just seems silly

[Black]

ur exaggerations aren't coming accross that well in game

Is that a legit problem right now? I won't get limmed today and I think will actually gather useful info

Let's push this to the brink

[Black]

Black, as soon as TM is officially over we can have a talk that I don’t really want to have with you but seems necessary

The games are over. Let's chat

[Black]

Well then my bad for bringing it up in the first place. I thought we were allowed to talk about it since the last game ended. We can chat later then

[Black]

pink ball aint a bad wagon though

Hop on

[Black]

I feel like we're going to talk until deadline here, have 200 pages of useless info that nobody wants to read, and then need to rush some wagon that might be ill-adviced.
And i've tried to encourage wagon-building but it's been shut down.

So who wants to vote Drew?

Some friendly advice: While I agree that the way things are going isn't great, idly complaining about it isn't likely to achieve much other than maybe annoying a few people. In order to get things done, you need to actively persuade people to join your wagon. Not just by going "who wants to vote Drew?" but by appealing to them directly, arguing your case, and trying to create some level of cohesion. Building a wagon takes work, they don't materialize magically.

I don't really agree with you on Drew, and I trust my own instincts above those of other players generally, so I'm not going to help you out with that, but I encourage you to try being a leader if you really care about getting things done.

I like Blue now

[Black]

Yeah I'm sure. Blue can join my color alliance if he ever starts to townread me. Not sure about you pinky

[Black]

Not at all. I'm not idly complaining about the gamestate and the lack of content/wagons like Norwee

[Black]

Don't be jelly because blue > pink

[Black]

It's a shame you're scum because we could have been an awesome k-pop group

[Black]

Let's have an honest talk on why she shouldn't be scumreading me in this game in about... 6 hours

Why should I be townreading you rn?

[Black]

I also feel really good about black.

This is refreshing

[Black]

I do think the fact that the one hydra in the whole game has the lowest thread presence is kind of ???

+chance of being deliberate.

I agree but the hydra is Mew + mala. Not exactly the most active posters around lol

[Black]

PB, meta/TM aside, what have you done this game that should be townread?

[Black]

I also feel really good about black.

This is refreshing

Ok so I was looking for a squirtle umbreon gif like the one you always post for patch.

And I found this monstrosity instead and since it is now living rent free in my head it has to go into yours too.

DUDE I spent 5 minutes looking for one two and this nightmare was all I could find as well

[Black]

Too*

[Black]

Best page top ever actually.

Based

[Black]

If you make a case on me I won’t even read it, I promise

(X) Doubt

[Black]

And you didnt share it with me immediately? Wtf bro I thought we were friends.

I was afraid to even put that image on this website in fear of getting site banned

But it will forever be our image now <3

[Black]

I found this one too. Possibly even more cursed?

WTF

Squirteon sounds kinky ngl

[Black]

anyone feel free to explain Doctor Drew to me ^.^

Drew seems townie in his tone but there is one thing throwing me off. It's a meta read and I have a love/hate relationship with meta reads so I haven't put much stock into it. But in Fire and Ice he was town and he was a lot more loose and almost troll-y. Here he seems a bit more uptight I think is the best way to describe it. I'm not sure if this has anything to do with his alignment though

[Black]

I feel like he has been pretty trolly this game too though? I don't really feel he has been scum hunting a lot or doing anything super town but I'm just wary of misreading him bc he feels like limbait

Yeah I guess you're right. I just went back and looked over his ISO from F&I and I think I was misremembering things a bit. There really isn't much difference between that game and here. He's way more active this game I will say. He's almost at his total post count for the entirety of F&I

[Black]

Not at all. I'm not idly complaining about the gamestate and the lack of content/wagons like Norwee

Too bad Blue was already obvtown so you’re just seeing what should have been made obvious long ago. ^^

I don't understand

[Black]

I wouldn't really classify Pink's reaction to his wagon as "calm"

[Black]

mala will get back to you in 3-5 business days

[Black]

You like me for a post that is objectively completely NAI.

I didn't say it gave me town vibes. I just like you for posting it

[Black]

Patchwork has requested replacement

[Black]

im up for wagoning black actually

I think pressuring Black is a lot more likely to be revealing than a wagon on someone who is a typical Day 1 elim.


For a fun exercise, look through Black's ISO and try to tell me what she actually believes about this game.

I'm fine with pressure. I'm actually surprised you haven't voted me here considering you a) think I'm scum and b) think a wagon on me would productive

I don't think being slightly lost on D1 of a huge game is scummy though. I think I'm doing just fine actually. I have some townreads and scumreads and I'm assuming you know this since you pointed everyone to my ISO. I may not have that many or much conviction behind them but I'm doing the best I can

[Black]

if she was town this game she wouldn't be so sure about my alignment after Team Mafia

I'm not sure about your alignment

[Black]

I think it's just you?

[Black]

I think black frequently tends to look kind of directionless and unfocused as town.

Seems to be a playstyle thing to me.

Hmm. I've never really thought this about myself tbh. I feel like "focusing" in this game is a slippery slope into tunneling and I've had issues with that on this site. So my focus is usually on whatever stands out to me...but I guess it's apparent that I still don't fully understand what to look for early in a game. So yeah I guess that leads me in a lot of different directions but I'm usually focused on what I find in those directions

Idk. I know this isn't a dig but it just feels like one

[Black]

Enchant replaces Invisibility

hi

[Black]

i wonder how many replacements this game will go through i feel if we keep at this pace we can get over 2 dozens.
Come on yall step up ur game. We can break records

You first. I'll follow your lead I promise

[Black]

Wasn't he Pokemon Champion for like 2 minutes until Red barged in?

Hah what a loser

[Black]

falling*

words failing me

Are you sure the words aren't following you?

[Black]

Black now that TM is over did you send me the caterer role

We just talked about this in discord lol. You should pop in every once in awhile

And yes I did. I thought about targeting Klick but I just thought he was scum, so I decided to use it on you because you were a question mark

[Black]

His response will be "I'm town"

[Black]

okay 40-50

i dunno what to think about cakez
firebringer is just vibing
invisibility is kind of meh
sheep trying seems town
kittytacky is barely there
patchwork is still sus
feeling slightly better about whemestar?
i think ranger is town
still like squirtle

not gonna vote until i'm fully caught up

but at this point i'd vote for
invisibility/enchant
blue.
flavor leaf
patchwork

and maybe interested in
cakez
kitty

completely null for me are
metens
magical girl
wheme
titus

From your list I'd be down to vote for

Invisibility
Patch
Kitty
Blue

In that order

[Black]

Good point StD. And where does sky end and space begin? Spacegazer?

[Black]

Skygazer is one of the stars. They're gazing at us on earth, and are therefore gazing at the sky as well.

Checkmate, stargazer proponents.

damn, that's deep

[Black]

KLICK KLICK BOOM

anyone else have zero motivation to do anything with this game today?

[Black]

hi meuh!

[Black]

So I just have to make Meuh laugh to make her townread me

I'm fucked

[Black]

i was actually feeling like blue gave up on scumreading me too easily; i don't think i was that convincing and it just felt like a "okay this isn't the push to make afterall" kinda thing

It's funny you say this because I felt like Blue gave up on pushing me too easily. I was his first scumread iirc and he never stopped scumreading me but he definitely didn't bother voting me for very long or pushing me at all. One of his last posts was that a wagon on me would be productive but he still wouldn't push me. People danced around starting a wagon on me and Pink even offered to join if someone else pulled the trigger and Blue didn't budge

Looking over his ISO he made a lot of weird pushes so you may be onto something here

[Black]

I like the Blue wagon but I remember getting some town pings earlier in the game. I wanna pick through his iso in more detail when I get time

Pedit: I like the Kitty wagon better. His iso should be much easier to read

[Black]

VOTE: Kitty

[Black]

VOTE: Kitty sure

Well fuck I'm being run up as I said I often do as town.

I'll claim.

I am Petilil. I have the ability Chlorophyll where I can use my moves during the day instead of night. In fact I'll do it now to prove myself. I think I have to DM the mod?

I was given a choice of one of two moves, Quiver Dance which let me target 1 other player and they gain +1 DEF and +2 EVA until the end of this cycle. And Victory Dance, where they gain +2 ATK until the end of this cycle. I won't say which one I chose.

Using my move on... Black as I trust them.

UNVOTE:

I think this flurry of posts feels townie and so does the claim. There's nothing stopping scum!Kitty from just buffing her teammates all game and while that's possible I think the role feels more like something town would have

Plus I don't really want to vote out the person buffing me <33

I still haven't had the time to look over Blue's ISO in depth (weekends ya know) so I'd still rather wagon elsewhere

I think we should sheep a kitty read tbh

VOTE: Magical Girl

[Black]

After reading more I'll voice my support for a Cakez wagon. I kinda feel like we should go after some of these people not doing anything. Cakez

kinda

fits into this category but he's done more lately than he did earlier. I'd be ok voting there because I still think he was fishing

[Black]

Let Titus cook

[Black]

Keep reading

Hi Beetlejuice

Do you have any more thoughts?

[Black]

I get notifications when I’m quoted.

Watching Roland Garros right now

I think your scumread on me feels fake. And so does your AtE. What do you think about that?

It feels like you have been purposefully taking a back seat since you said you like to control the game as scum

[Black]

It feels reminiscent of TM where your townread of me flipped into a scumread as soon as I started pushing you. And the over-the-top AtE feels similar too

I'm totally down for a Pink wagon

[Black]

MG/Cakez/Pink

Unless something else happens I want to vote within this 3 I think

[Black]

I do think the fact that the one hydra in the whole game has the lowest thread presence is kind of ???

+chance of being deliberate.

I agree but the hydra is Mew + mala. Not exactly the most active posters around lol

Icky.

That's not scummy. It's true

[Black]

I guess it's scummy if you think I'm partnered with mala but I would say this comment as any alignment. I play with mala a lot and I just finished a game with Mew so their inactivity is fresh on my mind

[Black]

You also feel town Black
Congrats

[Black]

In TM it was legit frustration towards a dense player who didn’t want to interact with me in good faith.

This is a complete misrep lmfao. You're the one who didn't want to interact with me in good faith. You couldn't defend yourself without blowing a fuse and losing your cool

I'm a little less sure of your alignment this game than I was in TM but I think I'll approach my scumread of you differently here. I don't want to "give you a platform" after all so I'll make my case and present it to the class this time

[Black]

@Drew why do you not want to vote MG?

[Black]

@Drew why do you not want to vote MG?

Purely because they promised to give me something overnight.

If they don't give me anything, then power lim then tomorrow.

Oh right I kinda forgot about that

[Black]

They are making you sell your soul for power

Sounds kinda scummy ngl

[Black]

And keep saying that you couldn’t get me limmed because of disproportional AtE that never actually happened. You got uncomfortable, sure, but that’s not entirely on me, sorry.

I get that you’re still salty, I’ll respect your space and not engage with you.

Bro your little digs and shit are hilarious. You're a shitty person

[Black]

"let's see how I can piss Black off some more... oh here are some underhand insults... hehe let's see how she responds to these..."

You're so manipulative

[Black]

Ugh it's gross