It's also a difference of potentially 3-7 players that can give that result night two without a cult or about 0-3 players with a negative TA result with a cult. Out of ~15 targets.In post 3138, usesPython wrote:You're forgetting that it forces people to claim they're in a PT and also that a no PT result is basically the greenest check you can get this gameIn post 3128, Rautherdir wrote: With the claims and flips we've seen so far, and assuming 4 group+a recruitable traitor scum, night 2 there is a potential for 5 scum in pt, four masons, plus three or four people from KKFC's role (which admittedly can overlap with the previous groups) for a potential total of 10-13 players in PTs, with up to 17 total people alive if no night kills. Add a cult on top of that and you easily get potentially every living player in a PT on night two, which invalidates TAs completely. And I'm not even factoring in the Nightmare.
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Normal games also usually aren't multiball I'm pretty sure, which makes mafia or ww/not mafia or ww results and town/not town results identical in effect. (Except for SK games)Alt of Theta Alpine
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This is admittedly something I hadn't considered.In post 3163, usesPython wrote:
You're forgetting that ~5 people N1 literally have to treat a TA check as either a guilty or a way to fake messenger since unlike Mason/Neighbors they can't just claim to be in a PT without instantly dyingIn post 3161, Rautherdir wrote:
It's also a difference of potentially 3-7 players that can give that result night two without a cult or about 0-3 players with a negative TA result with a cult. Out of ~15 targets.In post 3138, usesPython wrote:
You're forgetting that it forces people to claim they're in a PT and also that a no PT result is basically the greenest check you can get this gameIn post 3128, Rautherdir wrote: With the claims and flips we've seen so far, and assuming 4 group+a recruitable traitor scum, night 2 there is a potential for 5 scum in pt, four masons, plus three or four people from KKFC's role (which admittedly can overlap with the previous groups) for a potential total of 10-13 players in PTs, with up to 17 total people alive if no night kills. Add a cult on top of that and you easily get potentially every living player in a PT on night two, which invalidates TAs completely. And I'm not even factoring in the Nightmare.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Masons, sure. Neighbors is somewhat dangerous but not as counter-claimable. Assuming scum refuses to claim partners.In post 3164, KatyKimFanClub wrote: Exactly, claiming Mason or Neighbor in a game that already has Masons or Neighbors won't work.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Anyways. Outside of Normals cops are usually mafia/not mafia I think.Alt of Theta Alpine
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There is in fact a difference between Normal and normal.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Unique is to prevent my Absorber ability from functioning on them. The roles that are Unique should tell you what alignment I am.
My flavor does scream scum though, pfft. I am a dream of a Face Trader.Alt of Theta Alpine
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.... I literally wasn't here for night one and outright said that on day 2. So either I was playing a long game or you think I did something different last night.Alt of Theta Alpine
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In post 2498, Rautherdir wrote: Oh yay three kills and apparently a very telegraphed elite bodyguard success. I should note it makes sense for us to have so many TAs in retrospect, they might be our cult cops. (The actual cops going off of the nightmare actions are for the horrible dreams)
Anyways I am having to catch up on things like the elimination result as well, my internet has not been friendly with this site lately.Alt of Theta Alpine
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It's already a scumclaim to say as much if the evidence I didn't do so isn't in public, so might as well be out with it.In post 3313, Ircher wrote:
That's for me to know and you to find out later.In post 3310, KatyKimFanClub wrote:
How?In post 3306, Ircher wrote: I'll just go ahead and say this but I know Rautherdir lied when he claimed actions, so you should fade him next.Alt of Theta Alpine
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I did not lie though. I had lingering internet issues that kept me from submitting actions for night one, and the only thing I thought I could confirmed get with absorber night two was the vig from Radical Rat.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Rangers IC I also knew about night two but I guessed it was likely to be unique.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Also I wanted to confirm the masonry wasn't a cult being brazen. Unfortunate timing with that.Alt of Theta Alpine
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I probably should have just started with the theory that there isn't a cult though, pfft. I thought presenting a reason that worked with our assumptions of the game would make more sense.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Out of actions I can steal one shot of IC is one of the more broken ones. And I was informed there were unique roles. Vig was a safe assumption and if it was cult it would probably be a factional ability that I couldn't steal instead of a personal ability and thus I get to check that as well. And then a mason flipped anyways.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Yeahhh they have pretty much scum claimed at this point. They're trying to bring me down as well which I find interesting, though I don't think there is a cult so I'm at worst just third party. I'd guess it means the other scum are likely vig targets, so... Me having two vigs probably isn't good for them.Alt of Theta Alpine
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I was one of the first to vote them today, but fair. (If for a bad reason that I backed off of pretty soon after.)Alt of Theta Alpine
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I'll have to go look at that PoE for targets tonight I suppose... I feel pretty safe doing preflip for Ircher at this point so what do we think about what that means? (Assuming they don't like flip cult or something at which point I'd be very lost)Alt of Theta Alpine
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... hmm. I think I know what to do now then, yes.Alt of Theta Alpine
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With a potential scum redirector in play? Nah.Alt of Theta Alpine
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I will claim what I did tomorrow in the event it isn't obvious, but trying to publicly aim a vig when a scum redirector, deflector, or other such is almost certainly in play is a good way to hand scum a free extra kill.
pedit - there is at least one redirecting ability. I don't think it's a redirector or else I'd holster entirely, but.Alt of Theta Alpine
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I admittedly might not have been thinking when I made that argument, my primary argument is that I don't think there is a cult, and thus don't think there is an alarmist.In post 3401, DragonEater70 wrote:
Why would you want to prevent key townies from being culted as scum? Aren't you going to kill them all the same?In post 3104, Rautherdir wrote: VOTE: Ircher
I believe this power to be scum (if beneficial to town, it is immensely more useful in a non-cult scum's hands to keep key town players from getting culted without overlapping on scum already immune to culting)Alt of Theta Alpine
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Ircher seems pretty set on getting me limmed so.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Ranger is only a lim if they refuse to trigger IC after the masons ask them to.Alt of Theta Alpine
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I believe scum have figured this out by now so I'll go ahead and say it. My flip would actually prove Morning Tweet and Ranger's claims and make both town, given that both of them claimed the unique modifier before I claimed my role which has the reason for that modifier existing. If Ircher flips with the redirecting component then my night action should be very predictable.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Make both town assuming there isn't a cult. If there is a cult then uh. Hmm. Ircher if scum have a reason to suspect a cult please just tell us because they're probably close to a win right now.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Nightmare mechanic means self-hammer isn't as valuable if we already have a proposal up. Or yeah, vengeful sort of thing.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Annoying cause from my perspective Morning Tweet is almost certainly town, but yeah scum wouldn't be hammering in that situation and this is the odd moment where someone's role works while dead.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Alternatively we try to get the next person in the poe to hammer. Oh and uh I guess I should probably do this:
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I have another theory about what is going on but it's not likely I think and I don't know what to do if it is the case.Alt of Theta Alpine
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It's the difference between me trying to shoot scum tonight and me trying to catch cult.Alt of Theta Alpine
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If you have a mechanical reason to think I lied abouty role and actions then uh. Not sure what to tell you cause I said the truth about both.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Scum could also have unique, sure. The main connotation was that your roles were probably true, and both medium and IC are pretty much only ever going to be town roles.Alt of Theta Alpine
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If Ircher is cult I think they might actually be CL anyways. Would explain why they didn't self hammer.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Just... Waiting for the flip pretty much though. I'm pretty sure this is horrible dream and not cult.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Weird, since I've checked twice now and that is definitely what I got.In post 3507, Ircher wrote: Anyway, Rautherdir lied about his N2 action. There's no way that he could have absorbed a vigilante shot from Radical Rat.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Absorber might have weird Action Resolution timing, keep in mind.Alt of Theta Alpine
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I can absorb powers that are already used up. I cannot absorb new powers that were given by inventions or such.Alt of Theta Alpine
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I.e. it's based on their original role.Alt of Theta Alpine
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So if whatever happened was on night two my action would have happened first.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Absorber already didn't care about if abilities were taken away or given since the start of the game, so I assumed it might be a bit odd in other ways as well.Alt of Theta Alpine
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I neglected to actually ask if my ability could get redirected though. That probably should have been important to ask given uh... I have a redirecting ability so I knew they were possible.Alt of Theta Alpine
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The first part is all that is needed for there to be a conflict. If two abilities being used would determine how one of the abilities functions, that's a conflict. I already know that absorber doesn't even care about vanillaisation that happened on earlier nights, so. Not caring about redirect especially since copy has higher priority to begin with doesn't seem like a stretch.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Then again, also can't copy inventions, so. Probably more of a nerf in this setup.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Whenever the order of actions matters, that's a conflictAlt of Theta Alpine
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And a deflect plus any other action on the same target creates a conflict.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Wow, that means Absorb probably doesn't even care about hiders or rolestops either.Alt of Theta Alpine
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I think a redirector or roleblocker on me would still affect Absorb though? Weird rules be weird.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Might want to clarify a copy class ability since there's no proof absorber exists yet..Alt of Theta Alpine
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(the question as it is can only be asked privately by me)Alt of Theta Alpine
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All I know is that I got vig from targeting Radical RatAlt of Theta Alpine
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I've just been assuming Ircher was lying to get me elimed honestly. I assumed redirects would work myself. Though learning that action priority does make me think it might work different.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Welp, there we go.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Boom, headshotAlt of Theta Alpine
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I was very shaken by Ircher's flip but reasoned that my original planned action shouldn't be affected. I feel like I telegraphed that pretty hard.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Yeh. Morning Tweet was town by claim, STD was only scum if Snivy was scum. Snivy was the obvious choice tbh.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Unfortunate that scum didn't shoot or got blocked or I'd be more clear, but. Does make our job easier if there was only one blocking action.Alt of Theta Alpine
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I've expressed not trusting Snivy multiple times.Alt of Theta Alpine
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But also. Too many investigatives, and alignment cop stood out.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Flea and sheep never pinged me and I didn't remember Ircher interacting with them significantly. Dragoneater I thought was mason. KKFC was a good inquiry/investigation target.Alt of Theta Alpine
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usesPython was a potential other shot for being cult specifically but not one I ever seriously considered going through with.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Everyone else was only cult if recruited, and didn't have any chance of being horrible dreamsAlt of Theta Alpine
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