mystery box of silver 15: i'm killing hostages (negotiated)

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I’m just here so I don’t get fined VOTE: pooky

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tommy edman hit three times, a single, a double, and a triple, against colorado's "pitching". if he got a home run before d1 started i would not have counted it.

imagine being unable to hit home runs in colorado wild

Boy this is going to be a long game isn’t it. What did I do….

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Page 4, ranger to town to be town. That is all.

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iavh is probably going to be hard to sort

i wanna keep playing with ofrhz; someone do something scummy so i can vote you instead

Sure! I’ll do some catch-up posting when I get through 30 pages. I won’t let you down!

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The town world can't exist, because no one reads the Koba/Ranger 1v1, decides its SvS, and votes Koba without further explanation. They have to elaborate on that, because they have to know they're alone in thinking it -- especially when every active slot says "wow, openwolfing" in response and they STILL have nothing to say.

there's pages and pages of dkkoba and ranger spewing nonsense back and forth at each other. this game has the illusion of urgency because, my god, tommy could whack that ball right outta the park at any moment, but the truth is that this is mathematically super town-sided and we do not need to panic. dumping that many posts in the thread that quickly is a great way to clog the whole game up while also making people feel like a lot has happened and surely we must've talked this through enough to end the day. and, like, i could contribute to that and quote a hundred posts and say "here's why this one's bullshit, and here's why this one's bullshit, and here's why this one's double bullshit," but who needs that? the point is that the entire corpus of dkkoba v ranger is scummy.

i just read xyzzy's ISO and now i remember why i had it low b4 the vote on me, and it was bc like there was a *single* game related post in all of it, now theres a total of 3 only.

i'm takin it easy breezy on purpose. i did not join a nightless deadlineless game with baseball-triggered modkills because i wanted to write one hundred thousand posts a day

I lied, I’ve read this one singular page and I’m sleeping xyzzy as long as it isn’t on ranger
VOTE: koba sorry dk, tell me why I’m wrong.

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The town world can't exist, because no one reads the Koba/Ranger 1v1, decides its SvS, and votes Koba without further explanation. They have to elaborate on that, because they have to know they're alone in thinking it -- especially when every active slot says "wow, openwolfing" in response and they STILL have nothing to say.

there's pages and pages of dkkoba and ranger spewing nonsense back and forth at each other. this game has the illusion of urgency because, my god, tommy could whack that ball right outta the park at any moment, but the truth is that this is mathematically super town-sided and we do not need to panic. dumping that many posts in the thread that quickly is a great way to clog the whole game up while also making people feel like a lot has happened and surely we must've talked this through enough to end the day. and, like, i could contribute to that and quote a hundred posts and say "here's why this one's bullshit, and here's why this one's bullshit, and here's why this one's double bullshit," but who needs that? the point is that the entire corpus of dkkoba v ranger is scummy.

i just read xyzzy's ISO and now i remember why i had it low b4 the vote on me, and it was bc like there was a *single* game related post in all of it, now theres a total of 3 only.

i'm takin it easy breezy on purpose. i did not join a nightless deadlineless game with baseball-triggered modkills because i wanted to write one hundred thousand posts a day

I lied, I’ve read this one singular page and I’m sheeping xyzzy as long as it isn’t on ranger
VOTE: koba sorry dk, tell me why I’m wrong.

Ebwop

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Err wait no I was scumreading ranger I think VOTE: Ranger

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uhhh how about read the fucking game lmao

why did you choose xyzzy to sheep?

I’ll read it at some point.

I read this page and took xyzzys posting at face value, thought it was reasonable, then I voted.

My initial read on ranger was that they were getting ahead of the curve to seem town in a part of the game that hadn’t called for it, like the first 10 pages or so. Which was surface level scummy for me.


That’s all I have on the game rn tbh.

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Why’s ranger town specifically?

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uhhh how about read the fucking game lmao

why did you choose xyzzy to sheep?

I’ll read it at some point.

I read this page and took xyzzys posting at face value, thought it was reasonable, then I voted.

My initial read on ranger was that they were getting ahead of the curve to seem town in a part of the game that hadn’t called for it, like the first 10 pages or so. Which was surface level scummy for me.


That’s all I have on the game rn tbh.

That's not scummy though??? That's just called effort.???????

Ok you’re ignoring the whole premise of the read.

But that aside, why do you think Ranger is town?

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so basically
wwhat's rong with RCenigma?
the koba v ranger thingy right?
goes koba and then changes mind immediately and goes ranger
I don't get it

I haven’t read that deep into the game. And Koba is capable of thread clogging as town, so I moved it to ranger.

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uhhh how about read the fucking game lmao

why did you choose xyzzy to sheep?

I’ll read it at some point.

I read this page and took xyzzys posting at face value, thought it was reasonable, then I voted.

My initial read on ranger was that they were getting ahead of the curve to seem town in a part of the game that hadn’t called for it, like the first 10 pages or so. Which was surface level scummy for me.


That’s all I have on the game rn tbh.

That's not scummy though??? That's just called effort.???????

Ok you’re ignoring the whole premise of the read.

But that aside, why do you think Ranger is town?

Because they show a depth in play and nuance and bc I don't hold misconceptions about putting in effort early



Also wondering how the orf attack force is going to treat alisae now that she is giving the same read on orf as I did

Let’s agree to disagree on whether gutpings have value.

Nuance and depth of play in what ways? An example is fine.

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@Ranger are you townreading Koba? And does it have anything to do with them calling your play nuanced?

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I just feel like kkoba is being used by scum

Can I get a cliff notes of your townreads and idk if you solidify a read on Alissa in posts after this but I’m interested in how this thought specifically shapes your slides view.

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Alisae view* sorry.

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RCE did not similarly shift because I get the impression that RCE isn't engaged with the game and has no intention of figuring it out right now.

I disagree with this take. That RCEnigma isn't engaged with the game's clear enough. I would lump him in with xyzzy for still being readable off what he

has

produced, and it being +scum. I don't think he's making genuine pushes.

This is correct.

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Fwiw I do have townreads in Koba, Pooky, slightly in dannflor, and sky by virtue of sky being sky.

I’ve liked meuh posting but it doesn’t ping me one way or the other.

And I agree with dann’s sentiment that scum are using Koba, because honestly that’s what I’d do. In the sense I’d let them blow up towncircles and hide behind that.

Which is why I’m not super interested in who they are pushing (Alisae atm) but who is backing them or encouraging those pushes. Not to say Koba has bad reads but they take reads to the extreme and that’s enough wiggle room for scum.

I tried to stir kobas pot a little bit and they didn’t bite which I think is probably +town for them regardless of read accuracy, I wouldn’t put the burden of proficiency on them if they missed on their preferred elim.

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Did Alisae get elimmed or did tommy start tommying?

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Dunno what the blocs business is. What happens with mine if me and MT have different votes?

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i went to refresh myself on RCE and his posts are super insightful into how he is thinking about the gamestate and its such a misrepresentation to say he is doing nothing wow.

I've been watching all seventeen of RCEnigma's posts and am familiar with what he's capable of doing.

His takes this game are lazy and demonstrate zero depth of thought. He literally opened with "ranger is efforting, that means ranger scum", and then never followed through on this thought, despite it being discussed as something I do every game.

Lazy yes, because I wasn’t really willing to go through the 30some pages before I was able to get active. But I’ve followed along since. No depth of thought is disingenuous.

You can’t see why it would be mildly suspicious given this game setup how you opened? In the context of how almost every other slot opened?

And my stance on meta is that it’s useful for some instances, but each new game is just that, full stop.

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and rce isnt doing nothing lol

Check again. He's literally done nothing and

confessed as much

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RCE did not similarly shift because I get the impression that RCE isn't engaged with the game and has no intention of figuring it out right now.

I disagree with this take. That RCEnigma isn't engaged with the game's clear enough. I would lump him in with xyzzy for still being readable off what he

has

produced, and it being +scum. I don't think he's making genuine pushes.

This is correct.

RCEnigma is a player capable of matching your posting, Koba. He can produce hundreds of posts.

He has

seventeen

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And most are lazy, zero-level takes with no deeper thought present.

I can match Koba post for post as either alignment. With Koba specifically I’m more likely to do it as scum. By virtue of the noise Koba would make themselves.

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Meuh sell me on my Bloc buddy.

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Is that a thing I can do?

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i went to refresh myself on RCE and his posts are super insightful into how he is thinking about the gamestate and its such a misrepresentation to say he is doing nothing wow.

I've been watching all seventeen of RCEnigma's posts and am familiar with what he's capable of doing.

His takes this game are lazy and demonstrate zero depth of thought. He literally opened with "ranger is efforting, that means ranger scum", and then never followed through on this thought, despite it being discussed as something I do every game.

Lazy yes, because I wasn’t really willing to go through the 30some pages before I was able to get active. But I’ve followed along since. No depth of thought is disingenuous.

You can’t see why it would be mildly suspicious given this game setup how you opened? In the context of how almost every other slot opened?

And my stance on meta is that it’s useful for some instances, but each new game is just that, full stop.

this stance being justified by my major miss on alisae slot despite good meta evidence that implied the wrong conclusion

Think it’s really easy to lure yourself into, “they have done XYZ as scum so if they do XYZ again they are scum in this game too.”

Pedit: VOTE: MT

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I’d prefer ranger go before me VOTE: MT

I’d actually actually prefer ranger immediately but I won’t be choosy.

And Pooky being in the scummy scum pool for home run deaths is wild to me.

Starting to think schadd is scum aligned.

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That’s my zero depth thought for the day.

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This one is hesitant to immediately go after Ranger after we take out MT but we'll see. It's pretty sure that xyzzy/sheepsaysmeep/RCE will yield another 1, maybe even 2 scum though. It might be best to see who dies next to a homerun though because there's a good chance that it might just zoop up and smash Meuh or whoever in the face rather as opposed to our block of low-content scummy lurkazoids.

Meuh is up to my second highest townie so I’d hope not.

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Yeah well I thought Pooky was townish than everyone else in this playerlist and he was first to go. So probably not the best buoy to balance your game view on.

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Townier *

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I’m fine with waiting. This game was supposed to be months long from my understanding on signup.

So this is fun.

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3 of these being town would not surprise me.

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I didn’t post it in this game but this is my first actual day off in over a week. If we flip me flip ranger next and then idk play mafia for the next one or something.

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If you want anything specific out of me today is the day to do it.

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Dkkoba, meuh, dann

Sky
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Bomb below this line.

I’d worry about Koba in an eLo situation but never before.

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definitely one of the worst 80 pages of mafia out there

I'm most of them wtf

Awks

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{MUSHSHAGANA}
{HighPrincessErinys, Meuh, SirCakez, DKKoba}
{Skygazer}
{The Buldge}
{BlueSnakelet, Doctor Drew}
{iamveryhappy}
{Dannflor}
{Alisae}
{sheepsaysmeep}
{Morning Tweet}
{RCEnigma}
{PookyTheMagicalBear}
{ofrhz}
{xyzzy}

Everyone from the BlueSnakelet tier above, I'm quite sure is town. Let's purge those below.

This game is nightless.

MUSHAGANA:

HighPrincessErinys:

Meuh:

SirCakez:

DKKoba:

Skygazer:

BlueSnakelet:

Doctor Drew:

With us all voting together, we have enough votes to purge everyone not-us. If we do this rapidfire one after another, then we instantly eliminate most or all of the scum. We have the numbers where even if the list contains 4 scum, we don't lose. Unless you think all five scum are in my list here, we don't lose by purging those outside.

Let's get some speedwagons going.

It literally doesn't matter who we wagon, as long as it's not someone in this list.

I think in meuhs defense, ranger putting themselves and 2 scum partners in this end game list is a little bold.

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Ye, getting close to deadline VOTE: Ranger

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I stand by that post, and didn’t scumread xyzzy off any posts from my entrance back into the game to his execruction.

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It was just the first post that caught my eye on the page as a hook back into the game. Still haven’t read the first 30 some pages so whatever was said or done before then….beyond me.

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I was trying to post but your fingers are all faster

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I don’t think the discussion is that super important if the next 3 or so elims are all gonna be in the same like 4 player pool.

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Sorry scumbuds. I was fully expecting this to be a slow grind type game I could just use as a change of pace between other games.

Then someone said speed run and I kind of checked out.