DEFCON 6.0 - GAME OVER!

[Klick]

hmm. yes

[Klick]

Sky STD town

[Klick]

Norwee town

[Klick]

Ceph town

[Klick]

I wanna nuke Gamma

[Klick]

Chell town

PEdit yes

[Klick]

i'm not sure whether unowen is scum or just a goober

I briefly thought scum as well but it's indeterminate

[Klick]

Marci town
Cakez scum ish

[Klick]

Hi Andante! Long time no see

Should I nuke you this week?

PEdit: I see Chell beat me to it

[Klick]

Meuh trying to psychoanalyze posts is kinda not what I expect from her?

Gamma's confusion at my playstyle shows a discomfort with the new or the unknown. No welcoming for the new Meuh, no open arms, no pleasant surprise, only confusion, that deep down comes from a place of fear. Perhaps not the fear of a townie, but of a mafia member, pointing fingers at those comfortable in their own skin, hoping not to be cornered?

Yeah you’re over-analyzing, I’m just probing to determine if I just missed some character development. You realize I’ve spent half a year away from the site, right?

Am I over-analyzing, or is everyone else under-analyzing? I urge you to ponder. Development should always be sought after, change is inevitable and it is beautiful. Never try living in pure stability. However, never try living in pure change. Never treat life as a transition phase, as every moment holds merit that deserves to be enjoyed. Set goals, reach them, but as we all know, it's about the journey, not the destination, especially when the destination is ever-changing and fluid. Breathe in the air around you, look at every corner of the room, take it all in. You're here, right now, living. and that's beautiful.

Meuh town irl

[Klick]

Cakez town, Ircher town

[Klick]

Andante town

[Klick]

1. Gamma Emerald
3. T3
6. UNOwen
7. Andresvmb
9. Bell
10. PenguinPower
11. Firebringer
15. Doctor Drew
17. Roden
18. Meuh
21. gob

town or nuke

[Klick]

hand over your nuclear arsenal

[Klick]

It's because Chell is like the towniest player in the game so naturally she must die and half the players sussing her are scum

[Klick]

It's because Chell is like the towniest player in the game so naturally she must die and half the players sussing her are scum

I think the way t3 went for it, in hindsight even though I severely disagree with everything he said, was town

I'm hesitant to give T3 town but I can understand the why on it
I have a high opinion of T3's scum game

[Klick]

I like Bell, NoreweiganBoy, Marcistar and SirCakez. Think they've all been progressing the game and seem levelheaded, except for Marcistar. She hasn't been progressing the game much but I liked their tone and I don't think the way she's been nuked by other players makes sense if they're mafia.

Who do you think is scum of the people who nuked marcistar?

[Klick]

Klick. I feel like I have nothing to say about you after thinking about your posts.

That I barely remember.

I'm not surprised!

I do feel similarly about your own posts. I don't really expect to get an accurate read on you early though.

[Klick]

I am incredibly surprised to press ISO and see that you have 103 posts

[Klick]

Klick. I feel like I have nothing to say about you after thinking about your posts.

That I barely remember.

I'm not surprised!

I do feel similarly about your own posts. I don't really expect to get an accurate read on you early though.

Is there some reason you’re not surprised?

I've not yet posted anything that demonstrates a significant level of analysis

If anything I'm more surprised that you're the first person to mention it

[Klick]

Hmm.

Is this the kind of post that you consider the impact of before you post it, or is it actually off the cuff? What were you considering in your mind as you typed this up and clicked or tapped 'Submit'?

[Klick]

Conspiracy take:
Skygazer was going to kill scum!roden
So therefore teammates ircher and gob both go to kill skygazer with nukes to prevent sky from looking town upon successful killing of Roden.

The conspiracy is all there.
All the pieces coming together

Team: Gob, Ircher, Roden, Andante and one more.

So you think scum is all LHF

[Klick]

I think people who scumread gob are scummy

[Klick]

i do think bell has a point that drew is more likely to step on peoples toes when he is town rather than when he is scum tbh

I think this was true a few months ago but is no longer a reliable measure of Drew's meta

[Klick]

Nuke: Gamma Emerald

[Klick]

I barely even scumread gob tbh, I definitely have stronger suspicions
Although I’m guessing there is more to Klick’s choice

That's the right idea yeah
The gob post and my nuke target post were next to each other but not actually that correlated

[Klick]

that's the wrong gob scum reader

I wanna hear all about Gamma-town

[Klick]

Actually I think I found empirical scum

Again, this is nonsense, using two nukes on the same player is excessive, they would stagger nukes so if one succeeds there’s no waste

i literally do not care about your opinion on this.

It’s not an opinion, it’s fact

gamma’s got i told you so energy

My memory of Gamma's scum game is that she specifically aims to present this way as scum

Might've been more helpful to ask about Gamma-town before you used your only nuke

Do you have strong opinions on Gamma-town?

[Klick]

My memory of Gamma's scum game is that she specifically aims to present this way as scum

Is this based on something I’ve said or your own logic? I have played the know-it-all game as both alignments. And I wouldn’t call it a core tenet of my scumplay.

My own experience of playing with you and watching your games

I'm aware you do it as both alignments. That's why it's not valid reason for townreading you in the way Chell posited

[Klick]

Who actually trs meuh pls raise ur hand

Why are you asking this question

[Klick]

Loool

[Klick]

Conspiracy take:
Skygazer was going to kill scum!roden
So therefore teammates ircher and gob both go to kill skygazer with nukes to prevent sky from looking town upon successful killing of Roden.

The conspiracy is all there.
All the pieces coming together

Team: Gob, Ircher, Roden, Andante and one more.

So you think scum is all LHF

Do Roden and Andante really count as LHF though?

Yes

[Klick]

Bell you seem towny but I'm not going to commit to never nuking you

[Klick]

That post itself is probably townier than whatever associations you had wrt marci

[Klick]

Nuke: Gamma Emerald

Abort

I think this is on town with a marci-scum flip actually

I'm gonna come back to this in like half an hour and attempt to level up my reads slightly.

[Klick]

Nuke: Gamma Emerald

Abort

I think this is on town with a marci-scum flip actually

I'm gonna come back to this in like half an hour and attempt to level up my reads slightly.

+town for the reevaluation

I don't think Klick actually reevaluated anything - I'm pretty sure I and someone else also said that Gamma is town for the Marci interaction.

I thought a few hours ago that a post Gamma made felt kinda towny

Then I put the kids to bed and had a think while doing other things for the evening

Then I read this and looked at the first few posts of Gamma's ISO and thought she didn't make any sense as marci's partner

Then I made that post

[Klick]

TOWN
Cakez
T3
Roden
Gamma
Ceph

LEANING TOWN
Chell
Andante
Bell
NorwegianboyEE

SCUM ARE IN THIS POOL
2. Ircher
6. UNOwen
7. Andresvmb
10. PenguinPower
11. Firebringer
14. Save the Dragons
15. Doctor Drew
18. Meuh

I need to look more closely at some of the bottom group members, I'm sure they can be sorted further but that's as far as I've got in me right now

I'm here for like 15 minutes if anyone wants to call out my hot takes or talk about their own

PEdit: lmao. I'll leave T3 in the town pile for my own shame

[Klick]

Nuke: Gamma Emerald

Abort

I think this is on town with a marci-scum flip actually

I'm gonna come back to this in like half an hour and attempt to level up my reads slightly.

+town for the reevaluation

I don't think Klick actually reevaluated anything - I'm pretty sure I and someone else also said that Gamma is town for the Marci interaction.

I thought a few hours ago that a post Gamma made felt kinda towny

Then I put the kids to bed and had a think while doing other things for the evening

Then I read this and looked at the first few posts of Gamma's ISO and thought she didn't make any sense as marci's partner

Then I made that post

Fair

At least I know in my heart that I felt this was fishy as hell and can try to carry that feeling over for next time

[Klick]

I guess Drew can go in the town pile

[Klick]

Nuke: Marci

This is actually just scum

It just emotional
Altho I also don’t get why T3 thinks you’re scum enough to nuke you here

I moderately disliked Marci’s tone around the nukes and her reaction to people using random nukes. It seemed like she was scared scum, perhaps.

This is T3 bussing

Chell is the slot with the most reflection in their posts so far.

What in particular? I liked Chell’s progression from 131 to 137 but it’s definitely not unfakeable and I’d guess that it’s well within Chell’s scumrange too.

Is chell bad at faking confidence as scum?

Idk who Chell is lol, but they're an alt playing in a large theme, chance are they're an experienced player.

This is T3 shading a townie

[Klick]

T3 it's feeling like you're trying to find a reason to nuke me, do it. I dare you. join chell's nuke on me! let's take out the obvious town day 1

I've already nuked Marci lol

I came here to say Andante is town but you've already established that

[Klick]

How do you have a read on andante?

Don’t really care about anything else you posted.

I believe Andante is fairly polarised. The times I have seen her as scum she has either not been very comfortable/confident, or has specifically tried to be those things in a way that I could recognise as fake. I don't feel like she's nervous about her level of activity in a way that indicates scum to me. She feels like she's contributing when she has thoughts, and not contributing when she's fallen behind. I think she'd be feeling some pressure to force some content out instead of posting about how many pages there have been.

[Klick]

Klick is having a bad game or is scum

Would you like to talk about anything in particular?

[Klick]

STD is sitting firmly in null for me, but he should still probably be nuked this week or next week. He hasn't done anything overtly towny and is also a lurker who is unlikely to do anything towny in the future.

this plus the sad boy hours moment from std earlier today makes me wanna put std as town

I Like This

[Klick]

I could abort the StD nuke

It would be appreciated

[Klick]

Is it as simple as 3 in {Ircher, UNOwen, Andresvmb, Meuh}

[Klick]

Oh, I'd better be careful with that box I'm putting myself in

[Klick]

What is the difference between this and standard Ceph seeming annoyed by the gamestate generally
Ceph is very capable of getting annoyed with games as town
What's different here

[Klick]

I'm just sassy I'm not annoyed by this game at all =_=

This is closer to what I meant I think
It's a general Ceph tone thing and not indicative of you being scum

[Klick]

What is the difference between this and standard Ceph seeming annoyed by the gamestate generally
Ceph is very capable of getting annoyed with games as town
What's different here

If you don’t see it I don’t know how to make you see it
But like, I think every time I have played against scum!Cephrir since 2021 I have picked up on something that tipped me off. So I feel reasonably confident in the scumflip happening here.

If you're that level of confident then you're probably justified in using your nuke!
But based on what you're describing, I feel the same level of confidence about Cephrir being town. I feel like I know Ceph fairly well on a personal level based on a long time of playing various games with him and feel qualified to make judgements on that. Doesn't mean I can't be wrong, but I feel like I believe Ceph's point of view is a town one.

We can see which perspective is correct here, and then I'd be interested in evaluating the situation afterwards.

[Klick]

I'd kill
Meuh
Andres
Ircher

Then I'm lost
But I could do some spicy reads

I also feel like ceph would be more annoyed as scum

Oh yeah I'd probably kill unown too

Is it as simple as 3 in {Ircher, UNOwen, Andresvmb, Meuh}

This game is just that easy isn't it

[Klick]

Yes that is exactly the vibe I'm getting

[Klick]

Aww did I miss Survivor talk

[Klick]

the meuh nuke

you held it for this long in order to make a more informed decision and then nuked like that

Why choose Meuh then?

Like surely scum bank on a townie wasting a nuke on Meuh if Meuh is town

[Klick]

I'm bored

If we can get 6-7 communal townreads we win the game
I think there are at least that many obvtown at this point

Hero shots are actively antitown at this point

[Klick]

You
Drew
Cakez
Andante
Gamma

I think those 5 are pretty cut and dry, I know Andante has some people up for debate but those people are wrong or scum

I think STD is obvious town via associations but I understand why that's not the most popular take

That's 6. I think there are some other players who are very townie but I think that's a very solid achievable 6

[Klick]

Gg ez

[Klick]

I don't really think Meuh is that scummy anymore fwiw
I am getting the opposite of demotivated and it has happened as the game has progressed

[Klick]

aaaand there's scum #3

This is town energy btw
Ceph would not be pleased enough to fake this reaction as massively behind scum

[Klick]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

I AM ALL POWERFUL

Also very townie

[Klick]

TOWN
Doctor Drew
Cakez
Roden
Gamma
Ceph
Save The Dragons
Andante

LEANING TOWN
Chell
NorwegianboyEE
Meuh
PenguinPower
Bell

SCUM ARE IN THIS POOL
11. Firebringer
6. UNOwen
2. Ircher

[Klick]

Sure.
We're clearly winning. If the 3P is a survivor and listening:
please claim. I'm happy to win with you.

It's mountainous,
we know exactly what they're capable of and when we would not be able to work with them.
Scum can't nuke them without claiming scum if an agreement is made.

The risk that at least one player would just nuke the Survivor for the lols is obviously too high for this to happen

Survivor should just help us wrap the game up like they're town

[Klick]

If there is a genuine Survivor out there they would be hurting both their own wincon and town's by claiming because them getting nuked is bad for us too at this point

They would be essentially town

[Klick]

Nuke: Doctor Drew

Hi Ircher! If you're somehow town and are just deliberately ignoring the association evidence and the general consensus that Drew is town - now is the time to abort your nuke. Or even just to engage in conversation about why people think Drew is strongly town. It probably won't save you, but it might save the towniest slot in the game if you decide this was a bad idea.

Your nuke was most likely just a scumclaim, but I figure this disclaimer is better than not giving one and just letting Drew die.

[Klick]

Anyway, assuming Ircher flips scum, I think this game is trivially easy. We just need a hierarchy of consensus town and we can blow up the rest.

I think a number of players have made themselves very clear town surrounding the Andresvmb flip as well as the Ircher nuke.

[Klick]

still think ircher is last scum tbh

same

[Klick]

Drew and Ircher chatting in the Scum PT about how they've lost anyway so they might as well try the nuts gambit is absolutely a conversation that would happen
It would be Drew's style specifically

[Klick]

It fits with Ircher stubbornly refusing to abort while also talking like he cares just enough to keep around

[Klick]

NUKE: Ircher

[Klick]

Drew and Ircher chatting in the Scum PT about how they've lost anyway so they might as well try the nuts gambit is absolutely a conversation that would happen
It would be Drew's style specifically

Or I suppose more likely they were betting on the Drew shot not landing

[Klick]

Your posting motivation is trying to reduce the number of nukes landing on you

[Klick]

I did the same. I thought I'd be able to put 2 points in Production this week to get 2 nukes next week, but it turns out I'm not allowed to double up

[Klick]

Lethality - production - D1.
Lethality - speed- D2.

[Klick]

Looking at the PL Klick kinda seems like the most likely scum here?
Pedit: Wait I forgot about UNOwen
Is he associative cleared or did he somehow survive this far without that

The answer is UNOwen or Firebringer

[Klick]

There is actually a good reason not to nuke a large chunk of the players left

The one way we could lose this game is if we let our very towny players die

We need at 2-3 players that we all basically agree are town and will not nuke on penalty of death. As long as we can accurately do that, we win.

I don't expect to be in that position but I think there are plenty of viable candidates for that position

[Klick]

We need at 2-3 players that we all basically agree are town and will not nuke on penalty of death. As long as we can accurately do that, we win.

stop trying to make the game no fun

I like trying to win games! I find that fun.

[Klick]

I'm also paranoid because of Hollow Knight lol

[Klick]

Luckily the last scum is probably not Gimli

[Klick]

I want decent justification for the UNOwen read, I think UNOwen is a top candidate for last scum

I would add STD, Ceph and Chell to the top list. As well as probably Meuh. Can't justify right now but I've given at least some reasons for at least two of those previously

I think {UNOwen, PenguinPower, NorwegianboyEE, me} is a sensible bottom rung

[Klick]

I think the way I've played is mismatched enough with flipped scum that I don't fit but I'm biased

Scum have clearly had an *approach* here

[Klick]

I find it asinine to believe that anyone. Believes that the whole scum team just decided to nuke each other.

It was memish funny when half of them did, but thinking every single one did is just stupid.

The main thing you have to assume is that the scumteam made some very bussy decisions

We already know that's the scumteam we're facing

I suspect the scumteam made the decision to nuke each other under the assumption of 'this has a 30%ish chance of hitting and a 70%ish chance of making us look pretty good' and got rather unlucky

Which is still true logic even after it has backfired previously and I don't have a problem assigning it to anyone in particular

[Klick]

The problem is I don't read that as particularly scum indicative for Titus

[Klick]

Quick re-skims make me feel like neither Norwee or UNOwen are that likely.

[Klick]

I thought Norwee felt town earlier on and the vibes I'm getting from reading right now match that
I generally believe that Norwee was engaged with this game at about a townie level and not at a 'my scumteam is imploding' kind of level
He reacted to game events like he wasn't really expecting them to happen

[Klick]

Wow, this game is a sweep.

Did Andres wait to play until like page 90? Instant karma.

Firebringer your team is doing extraordinarily badly i must say.

I think I want there to be a reason that this is the wrong answer because this feels like a really nonchalant quiet way of reacting

But it's not really inconceivable for this to come from scum it just comes from a strange mindset that doesn't really match the rest of the scumteam

[Klick]

Yay