Mostly Mountainous (Game over)

[evilpacman18]

VOTE: Anti

I'll never forgive you

[evilpacman18]

I'm a bit confused.

[evilpacman18]

That's L-2.
@Chesskid: why vote who reck told you to?
@MPR: why not mention L-2?
I don't like risking a quick L-1 or lynch if somebody doesn't notice how many votes there are.

Parama's right but I have different reasoning for it. If you're so worried about scum quicklynching or even just dumb town doing it, unvote.

[evilpacman18]

Will someone please explain to me what's so special about a Fate wagon?

[evilpacman18]

And still he refuses to unvote.

unvote, vote: Llamarble

[evilpacman18]

Player Seraphim > mod Seraphim

[evilpacman18]

I'd ask Anti why he thinks I'm scum, but he seems uninterested in elaborating <_<
How is me changing my vote to Anti scummy? I mean... he claimed scum.
And a L-1 Fate wagon is always great fun

In no way whatsoever did he claim scum.

[evilpacman18]

^scum with Anti

Obvmgus

[evilpacman18]

unvote
vote parama

Shameless wagoning FTW. Parama is scum. Just like 117.

What shameless wagoning are you referring to? The RVS Fate wagon that shouldn't be counted as any slip or the Anti wagon that he's the only person on?

[evilpacman18]

Oh... in that case the IGMEOU still stands.

[evilpacman18]

Evil is also still scum. Look at his last 3 posts for proof of that.

^scum with Anti

Obvmgus

unvote
vote parama

Shameless wagoning FTW. Parama is scum. Just like 117.

What shameless wagoning are you referring to? The RVS Fate wagon that shouldn't be counted as any slip or the Anti wagon that he's the only person on?

Oh... in that case the IGMEOU still stands.

I wrote them and I don't even see it.

[evilpacman18]

1) I'm going to ignore whatever is going on and make a joke instead.
2) I don't read the thread so instead I ask people what is up, and give out an IGMEOY for no reason
3) Oh wait my reason for the IGMEOY is bullshit? Oh well, can't be backtracking since that's scummy, the IGMEOY STILL STANDS MOTHERFUCKER

1. Wasn't a joke.
2. I misunderstood the post, how is that evidence of not reading?
3. Because I thought he was accusing Parama of something he didn't do, which would be scummy, but he was actually just bandwagoning for the sake of bandwagoning, which is also scummy, hence the still standing but the reason for it changing.

[evilpacman18]

I think his reason for voting you was a little weak but considering it was page 3, I'm willing to forgive it. Accusing you of lurking was a bit ridiculous, accusing you of fluff was correct, and that's about it.

[evilpacman18]

You're ridiculous, chess.

[evilpacman18]

Co-sign Llamarble, Fate is super hard to get a read on.

[evilpacman18]

unvote, vote: Parama

Fate's argument isn't perfect and I disagree and think Paramtown could easily have defended it but instead he avoided it and went for Anti's post.

[evilpacman18]

Case in point

[evilpacman18]

chesskid, I have replied to every point against me. Would you mind providing some sort of reason for your case? It looks

mostly

COMPLETELY like completely garbage. I have yet to see substance from you this game.

[evilpacman18]

ew, typo totally messed up that post.

[evilpacman18]

unvote

Come on. It's his anniversary. I'll put it back tomorrow unless he gets to L-1 today.

[evilpacman18]

EPM: Why did you unvote for no reason? <_<

Nothing's happening. I said I'll hammer if you get up to L-1 but it really doesn't matter where my vote is until then.

So happy anniversary lol.

[evilpacman18]

VOTE: EvilPacManReasons I think EPM is scum (chronologically ordered):

1.

Voted me for my choosing not to unvote.
I think it was reasonable to infer from my explanation that I wanted my vote there but also wanted to make sure nobody would have the "whoops accident" excuse for quick L-1ing/hammering.
I think you just wanted to vote someone you thought might get some heat and look like a contributor.

2.

Made a comment about Seraphim that I don't see any town reason to make on its own.
Scum reasoning could have been buddying or simply increasing post count or seeding wifom for after one of them is lynched.

3.

His back and forth with Parama looks to me like it's being planned in the scum day QT.
He mixes distancing with offhand comments in defense of Parama, such as "Fate's argument isn't perfect and could easily have been defended if Parama is town."
I don't see how Paramascum would be likely to avoid instead of defend compared to Paramatown, so why do you vote him after saying this?

4.

"chesskid, I have replied to every point against me. Would you mind providing some sort of reason for your case? It looks mostly COMPLETELY like completely garbage. I have yet to see substance from you this game."

This felt fake to me; I think it was designed to look like indignant town but to me it doesn't.

5.

Also that's a funny place to make a typing mistake like that.

1. No it was not reasonable to infer because you had said that you didn't agree with your vote being there.

2. If you were truly being objective, you wouldn't see any scum reason for it either. And how is increasing post count scummy? I was just making an observation considering I'm currently in another game that was mod-abandoned by Seraphim and I was pleasantly surprised by his posts having never read him play a game before.

3. I agree with Fate's read but I don't agree with his reasoning for how he got there. I thought his argument was weak and that Paramtown would have easily called out all the flaws in it but he instead opted to ignore it in favor of attacking Anti and... MAN I ALREADY SAID ALL OF THIS.

4. Nice strawman there.

5. I was gonna do it a bit differently before I figured out I could use a strikethrough and then I forgot to edit out what I was gonna change in the post before I found it.

[evilpacman18]

VOTE: Parama

[evilpacman18]

I'm gonna agree with Sera about the Fate sheeping. It's happening quite a bit. Anti, Seraphim, and Fate are obvtown.

vote: Llamarble

wishy-washy voter. Obviously doesn't believe his own cases with how quickly he drops them to get on someone else.

[evilpacman18]

Guderian isn't the most obvtown player in the game but he's definitely more town than Llamarble. Go go llamarble wagon.

[evilpacman18]

That was mostly just to avoid a prod. I'll be back tonight with more.

[evilpacman18]

/VLA. But no post yet.

[evilpacman18]

Hi flinter

Ok so. I was right about Seraphim. I was wrong about Llamarble. I'm ok with that.

In my next couple posts, I'd mostly like to take a look at who was pushing the mislynch on Llamarble (Particularly Guderian's vote on him since he's already one of the top scumspects and he's the third on the wagon). I'll also read Zach's iso since I've basically ignored him the whole game but he's also being suspected by several players. Think I'll do this first and then do the Guderian iso later.

Zachrules iso:

Was third on the Parama wagon for a weak reason that he didn't specify other than it being a total metavote based on two similar posts. Not saying the vote was incorrect, obviously, but it was a bad vote at the time.

Hi Zach, this is your second post and all it contains is a sheep vote based on my meta of Parama.

LOOKZ LIKE WE FOUND ANOTHER ONE.

Well there is the fact that I agree with that reasoning.

Also the fact that his responses have been purely OMGUS and haven't even come close to doing any genuine scumhunting.

He's attacked everyone who's voted him so far, except for Vezo who he hasn't had a chance to yet, but I'm sure it's coming.

Parama OMGUS'd once and I had already pointed out. Using OMGUS incorrectly or just flailing at Fate's response to his sheep vote. I believe the latter.

I never said there was anything wrong with your REASON for voting Parama (aka he is scummy, my case is airtight coupled with Anti's gutread, let's gogogogo lynch), I was saying you are scummy for poppin in after two pages of content (Llmarble, pacman, "opportunistic votes" etc.) and saying "hey imma sheep ontot his parama wagon sounds good to me.)

I didn't find any of that particularly interesting. Llmarble's null, not sure what I'm supposed to see with pacman, and "opportunistic votes" makes me lose IQ points seeing as they are being presented as legitimate scumtells.

At this point in the game, besides Parama, Llamarble was the only person Zach had implied any negative reads towards. His attack on Llama is so minor that my argument here is probably just grasping, but I'm sensing a bit of a contradiction.

Refuses to accept Fate's obvtownness and treats Fate's ego as a scumtell, which is wrong, even though his ego is lame. All this after sheeping him on the Parama lynch. And then votes Snake for sheeping lulz.

He's also completely abandoned his Guderian read in favor of a read on Snake. I don't know about other people but I tend to focus on one person I'm trying to get lynched at a time when I'm scum. Except I'm not so blatant with it.

A vote for Zach will probably come after I read Guderian's iso, I don't expect him to be as scummy. Remind me not to ignore players anymore. I could have been pushing this wagon yesterday.

[evilpacman18]

I'd like to talk about Evilpacman's last post, because there are a few things that I noticed.

In the first line it already goes wrong. "Ok so. I was right about Seraphim. I was wrong about Llamarble. I'm ok with that." Seems without purpose. It does however convey two things. 1. this is a catch-up post. 2. he makes sure that everybody knows he had reads. I'm mostly disliking the second (there is nothing inherently wrong with a catchup post).

However, then Evil does something that's really trademark-MS-mafia: he picks a target. Or in this case, he promises us two. While a normal townie goes in to the whole game, and investigates all kind of people (and most notably the new girl in town!), evil seems to

pick two players

and make an incriminating post about them. And Zach is a particularly easy target seen that zach is under some attack right now which has started mostly because Fate expressed doubt.

Vote Evil

You read that wrong. I picked people I had been ignoring who I thought it might be a good idea to read. I had no intention of finding Zach so scummy when I started that iso so I didn't pick a target at all.

[evilpacman18]

evil are you saying you think zach is scummy? If so why arent you voting him

You obviously didn't read my post.

[evilpacman18]

A vote for Zach will probably come after I read Guderian's iso, I don't expect him to be as scummy. Remind me not to ignore players anymore. I could have been pushing this wagon yesterday.

[evilpacman18]

Sure they're not sheeping me? XD

[evilpacman18]

Didn't realize the deadline was tomorrow.

Can't touch this. (woo woo woo woo) x3

Break it down

STOP...

HAMMER TIME

vote: Zach

[evilpacman18]

Vezok is unreadable.

[evilpacman18]

just vote flinter. he is scumalicious.

I'm a girl.

And I'm not scum

[notsarcasm]This defense makes her obvtown.[/notsarcasm]

[evilpacman18]

Antihero - I'll let you all decide for yourselves.
evilpacman18 - Not sure what gave me the warm and fuzzies about him before. I'm reading through and not really liking what I see.
Fate - obvtown, enough said
flinter (Reckamonic) - Reck's play was terrible and flinter's interactions w/ Zach don't look good either
Guderian - Reading over zach and parama, I'd guess town; but there are a few things that still nag at me
MehPlusRawr - Good job, you're now someone who I would vig N0. Congrats
SnakePlissken - Probably town b/c of Zach
vezokpiraka - Not acting like he did in vengeful; I'd guess town here

I like this list. The only person that I disagree with you on is Snake: what made you think he's town? It would be nice if you could explain that to me.

I'd make vezok a little stronger, he's really town.

About Evilpacman. In BBM's game, anti, he came in halfway and was quite capable of making cases that sounded true. That game showed he was capable scum as soon as he had material to make fake cases off. Such a scum's biggest worry is the start of the game. Logic can't help you that much there, as there is so little material, and you have to work on hunches (which are risky from a scum point of view, as they don't come naturally). I doubt that town-pacman would have that much trouble to get his game going. (If you can disprove this, pacman, please do so )

Wait so you're making a start-of-game meta read on me based on my meta in a game that I didn't play the start of?

[evilpacman18]

Remaining scum(s): wanna make it easy for us and take the third (and fourth) spot on this incorrect wagon?

[evilpacman18]

FATE: What makes you think there can't be 4 scum? Depending on the power of the godrole, I think it's possible. Also, I'm not scum for disagreeing with you. Disinterest isn't scummy and that's the only thing MPR's shown.

[evilpacman18]

Well now that I'm 3 for 1 on lynches where Fate is 2 for 2, I think you should all be sheeping me. Snake was my main scumread (for his position on that wagon. Flinter is obvtown for the same reason) with Guderian in second. Now that that's out the window,

vote: Snake

Also, regarding the post that some people are claiming I'm scummy for, notice how everything talking about a 4th scum is in parantheses? That's me saying that it's unlikely but possible that there's a 4th. If you're saying it's NOT, then you're all scum and I'm the only town.

Anti, regarding your thing about why Fate is still alive, it's because he's the godrole. Scum rolecopped him and found out he's NK immune.

Questions?

[evilpacman18]

No response to my last paragraph, Fate?

[evilpacman18]

I'm not trying to out him, he's already outed, and since he's NK immune, outing him would be a GOOD thing since then we can't mislynch. You can lynch me (if the game isn't over after the Snake lynch), I don't even care anymore. Everybody knows Fate is town so I still win no matter what since Fate can't die at night and nobody's about to lynch him. This game is over.

[evilpacman18]

It's insulting that you think I'm stupid enough to make it that obvious that I'm more informed than everyone else in this game. Everything I'm saying is common sense. ESPECIALLY the NK immune part.

[evilpacman18]

Lol you fell for AtE. Don't do that.

[evilpacman18]

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... to_emotion

[evilpacman18]

Did you already forget you're sheeping me on that Snake vote?

[evilpacman18]

Now you got suckered into accepting his AtE. Don't ever let anyone convince you're stupid for disagreeing with them. But still vote snake.

[evilpacman18]

Lol he wasn't NK immune. I coulda lost it for town.

[evilpacman18]

Did he post the mafia QT? I wanna see how you guys didn't suspect anything in the whole time he was betraying you.

[evilpacman18]

EPM is a VI. Really easy mislynch.

[evilpacman18]

IIRC he said from the beginning that this game may be bastardly. This discussion is pointless.

[evilpacman18]

I think this game was legitimate. First of all, the scum shouldn't have just accepted that sort of ridiculous bussing without giving it a thought. Second of all, most people with the role wouldn't have been able to make themselves look so obvtown by the end of the first night. Town won as soon as Parama was lynched. The only thing wrong with the setup was Fate getting the role (Of course that went well for me, I needed a town win. My other documented town win is a game that I replaced into at night and was killed the same night).

[evilpacman18]

The problem is, anyone who knows Fate knows that he WOULD bus all 3 of his scumbuddies to death were he on a legitimate 4-man scumteam.

The only thing wrong with the setup is Fate getting the role