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Alright, now I spent the better half of my afternoon reading through this thread. Good read actually. And good luck to Kast when he comes back.
Now since there was a lot of info here only some things off the top of my head. I'll have to read through some Isos anyway:
- As much as I'd like to have my revenge on tans-scum after our first encounter, this game here seems eerily close to the game where we were town together. He had quite some crazy theories and completely arbitrary cases there as well, especially when being attacked. (Btw, I'm still mad that the CT lynch went through /irrelevant)
- The fact that Kdub has a completely different view of tans makes it look like he's using this for his case in order to keep the counterwagon going. Not getting good vibes from Kdub at all.
- Jack can actually play a solid pro-town game? I don't know if I should be disturbed or happy. I'm going with the latter for now.
- I love the Reck case. Trying to correct his dram-scum read and even worse, the change from "There are at least four people I want lynched before SensFan" to "I don't care who's getting lynched out of npiau, dram and Sensfan" is just awful. I have some wild guesses I'll keep for myself for now.
- Don't get good vibes from Katsuki and Guderian. I can't really remember why Guderian, I think there was something wrong with how he viewed the Kdub-tans debate, have to reread that bit. Katsuki has been avoiding any real content so far. I'm surprised she (I think I asked you in Castlevania about your gender, can't remember if you answered back then, sorry) hasn't made any lists with her name on it so far to make her even more obvious.
@Katsuki: Why is reck "obvtown"?
That's it for now. I'm sure there was lot more I meant to address but those three hours of reading (you heard that right) made my head explode. I'll be here for a while though. I don't intend to wake up tomorrow and see another eight pages. Feel like [Redacted] D1 minus the petty squabbles.
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Can I make a proposal because I see that topic popping up every now and then?
Can we drop anything related to the ring situation until we have some actual proof that something will happen to them or there's another agenda surrounding them? The discussion's only distracting and not in the least helpful as of now.
Well, so I guess, I can stop wasting time on Katsuki. That mess can sort itself later out. Same goes for Reck.
I may have to look through Sensfan's Iso again, but if his recent proposition of color claiming has anything to do with his wagon, count me out. While this is a silly idea, because as mentioned, I don't think the mods would have forgotten about this scenario during the designing of the game, I hardly see any scum motivation for the color claiming, since it doesn't help increase scum's chances for hitting any PR's.
That would leave some SSBF alignment preference meta. Not really incriminating. Same goes for the Starbuck case though I see a lot of fluff in her ISO.
If anyone has a more convincing Sensfan case, I'm all ears.
It's noticeable that so many suspicion is cast against Guderian yet no vote on him. Let me help out here a bit:
Unvote; Vote: Guderian
Case is already strong enough, but I found out what bothered me with his initial kdub-tans statement. He asked both to give reasons for why the other is scum (why exactly, if he though both of them were most likely scum?), yet never followed up with this. Nice "pro-active" alibi questioning there.-
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Sheeping me is refreshing for me and nice and whatnot. A bit of originality wouldn't hurt either though.
I say, no more word shall be spoken of Starbuck until either
a) she returns and actually contributes to the game or
b) tomorrow when apparently all is solved according to Reck.
Reck has gotten considerably better since my last post. The flip flopping around dramonic is not forgotten....but for now it's on the backburner treated as "mushy lovey dovey relations prevented Reck from taking a stronger stance on dram earlier".
Reck, if you think Guderian's scum, can you make your entourage switch over so we can finally have a solid wagon going?
Alternatively can you outline the case on Sensfan for me? All I'm seeing there is uselessness and something about SSBF's dubious scum preferance.
I vaguely remember a giant post from you, I don't know if it contained a case on Sensfan, so I'm too lazy to look it up right now.
And if Katsuki should post something of interest, keep me updated...until then consider her posts being skimmed from now on.
SpyreX needs sto stop engaging in every single discussion that revolves around his Orange pick...useless thread cluttering. By now, everyone should now your theory why you picked orange second. Either they believe it or not, but don't answer every one of them in detail again and again...that and calling for a Jack lynch over some ridiculous C/P-spiel make my spider-sense tingle.
Going through some ISO's from time to time. Sign me up if a KK-lynch is ever up for discussion. I remember being suspicious of him very early on when there was a barrage of pointless questioning and pointing out the obvious by him...guess, I simply forgot about him after a while.-
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FTFY.Jack wrote:Not Surprised gud was scum.
Not surprised dram was scum.
nopoint, kdub, and Kats are probably scum.
Steph is acting scummy.
But honestly, Jack is the best summarizer.
Watching Andrius makes no sense imo. I think he'd attract more investigative roles than scum. One of the powerhouses like Vi or MoI would've been better choices to watch. But poor choice of action isn't necessarily scummy.
Hiding behind Vi makes even less sense. Especially considering npiau had Vi as town throughout D1. How would you not expect someone like Vi to get killed early on? And this goes beyond poor choice of action.
I don't think I'll ever trust a cop claiming Fate again. BUT Fate, IF you are indeed a cop, why do you want to get nipau lynched instead of your confirmed scum SensFan?
Steph is either scum or the scummiest, whiniest, most overly defensive, non contributing, useless townie I've seen in quite a while.
If we're discussing about who should get investigated next, I'll throw in Kdub and Stove as good choices.
And finally, we can get rid of noise and scum at the same time!? This could only be topped if it were my birthday today...what!? It IS my birthday? Sweet.
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Holy shit...
Apparently a vig has taken care of scummy Steph and probably dram as well. The other three tonight look like scum kills - now that we know Vi was not yellow like some had assumed.
The Stove apparently was investigated by Starbuck, therefore the town read she claimed yesterday on him.
So, let's do this quick and dirty.
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For the record: Reck really deserves some credit if the read scum team really turns to be out as dram, Gud, Nopoiint and Sensfan.-
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The nopoint situation is really whacky, but without knowing if a hider can avoid any kind of action, it does sound plausible.
People like Kagelord and Kast are heavily coasting. Gotta take a look into those two and a couple of others.
And for the love of God, anyone with appropriate powers out there, something has to be done to SensFan tonight. Last thing we heard from him was his color claiming idea back on D1. And it's not like he's not totally active in Mish Mash forum all this time.-
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To elaborate on this one:Kdub wrote:While we're waiting for xvart to answer my question, I've got another line of inquiry.
Magna, in your first post of D2 (post 1131), why do you vote nopoint while saying very little about Katsuki, despite the fact that there was strong evidence against both of them at the time? In fact, I would argue that the evidence against Katsuki (claimed result by confirmed town-Starbuck) was even stronger. I felt that your vote here stands out because the two wagons were both viable at this point, yet you are trying to push nopoint as the lynch over someone who we now know is scum. It may turn out that nopoint is scum as well, but the point still holds as long as he is not yellow.
On D3 MoI completely ignored the guilty on xvart, only asking him to clarify whether he got watched by Katsuki or not.
He was going after NoPoint instead.
If xvart is flipping yellow I think there's a great case on MoI being yellow as well.
To answer MoI's question:
I remembered there being a greater fuss being made about Vi's death flavor. But upon reskimming D2 all I could find was Plum hinting at Vi being evil and you speculating Vi being the yellow kill. So, the speculation of Vi being yellow apparently was only in my notes.
By the by, on D1 I started the Gud wagon when nobody else wanted to and I asked triple voter Reck to move his votes to Gud when there was a Starbuck wagon (and I think a SensFan wagon) going on, so I'd like to get some non red-scum credit there.
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Me having a town read on SpyreX, him claiming having a connection with KduB who in turn claimed a guilty on you which is backed up by Spyrex, plus, the way you handled the initial situation back in #1277 is enough for me.xvart wrote:
What guilty? The only thing Kdub said yesterday was "xvart is scum" after I said nothing interesting happened to me the previous night. That equates to a guilty in your opinion how? What do you suppose is the result that Kdub has on me when a cop has flipped? What do you think SpyreX has on me?Dekes, 1332 wrote:On D3 MoI completely ignored the guilty on xvart, only asking him to clarify whether he got watched by Katsuki or not.
He was going after NoPoint instead.
I don't know what they got on you but they better not tell. I don't find it hard at all to believe in more than one investigative role, especially in a game with three scum sections. And even if they're not cops, there are other ways of finding scum like tracking and watching for example.
If you flip town, which I don't think, they have either damn good explaining to do tomorrow or are going to face serious rope issues.
Also, why did you think you were busdroven (this just can't a word) by Vi?
I honestly have no idea whether Vi switched himself with Andy or xvart or if he switched other people for whatever purposes. And I don't even want to think about it because afaik we haven't got the slightest hint what Vi did N1 and if it could help us find any scum.-
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A cult mechanic? Really? Support from (several) flavor specialists is greatly appreciated. Is it possible that people automatically convert to the Black Lantern section based on their role or is it more likely that this is the work of a recruiting mechanism?
Kdub gets thousand Blackest Night points for this one. We are of now 7-2-1-1 excluding any Black Latern shenanigans. Another slaughterfest at night and we are close to LyLo already. We should shed some light on this situation pretty soon.Kdub wrote:If it is a cult, then unfortunately we can't assume anyone as confirmed town anymore,but we can deal with that later.
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Still yellow scum. Upon rereading through suspects and dead scum last night there's a good chance Kagelord is yellow scum as well though he was pretty early on both Kats and xvart, still have to check the timing of when he joined their respective wagons.
If someone has proper evidence of other people being scum (npiau is still a good candidate) so we can weed out one of the killing factions, I'm all ears.
I'm also not sure if SpyreX's gambit of not letting himself getting targeted by town was the greatest of all ideas.-
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Mmmmmmh....reading through dana's latest posts and adding the bits I know about Blackest Night from the Wiki article, there's a possibility we aren't looking for the remaining yellow, red and orange scum anymore.
But that would be really whacky if we had to re-eveluate our reads on every single person midway through the game. I don't think I would like that at all.-
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Eh, I guess, that's what you call thinking from a town POV. Because exactly what I did was looking at my wincon and since it didn't specifically state that we have to eliminate red/yellow/orange I believed the alteration of the wincon to hunting Black Lantern could be explained that way. But you're right: the scum wincon should still contain something like "last faction standing", so we still have to eliminate them.The Stove wrote:Last- Dekes, about the whole "No more lynching OJ/Red/Yellow" - Dana stated that our win cons wouldn't change. So unless either scum never had a "when your faction controls the town, or nothing can prevent the same" type wincon or they got modified wincons overnight, I don't foresee that happening.
^ Just earned Black Lantern points as well. What makes you think that the Black Lantern faction can't recruit scum?Kublai Khan wrote:That's what I'm saying though. We have to choose our demons. 2 yellows left, 1 red, 1 SK, and up to 3 cult members. That leaves actual 4 town members left.
Yep, like I said. Looks like yellow scum.KageLord wrote:I want to hear what happened with Andy and NPIAU before deciding on MoI.
I fear tans needs death. He reverted to his scum meta the last couple of days (recrution?) and there's no logical explanation to kill Toog with so much scummier people out there.
Plus, I don't understand why a Hal Jordan claim needs death. If anything, I'd believe Hal Jordan would b e the only sure bet of being in the game on the town side. And with three flipped green Lanterns, I think, all claimed Green Lanterns but Hal Jordan are scum now.
I once again need some flavor experts. I know, they probably have a fake claim, but is there a specific person flavor-wise that would indicate the Black Lantern recruiter?
And I'm not sure there are really already three Black Lanterns since only now that a Black Lantern has flipped, dana talked about an altered state of game. May or may not be indicative of when the Black Lanterns joined the game.-
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means nopoint claimed green somewhere. Can you quote that because it seems I might have missed that.Andrius wrote:GREEN: 3 dead, one to go (ONE OF TANNY AND NOPOINT IS SCUM) which also means whoever claims Hal Jordan is dead.
And the flavor question still stands. Is there a color that most likely would contain the black recruiter, i.e. is there flavor-wise a Lantern that the black recruiter generated from? Otherwise I'm tempted to test the following theory, especially after OoT just ended:
Unvote; Vote: danakillsu
Slim chance, but I wouldn't wanna lose because of something like that which can be easily tested. If somebody wants to vote RC until the next VC, feel free to help out.
If nothing's happening at the next VC, I think I may be up for a nipau lynch today, because apart from the obvious scum vibes he's giving off, I believe there's a good chance that either the black recruiter or the orange SK could be action immune.
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Don't act like you didn't see my post. Why did you shoot Toog? There wasn't a lot indicating you think he was scum.
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Andrius? You there?Dekes wrote:
means nopoint claimed green somewhere. Can you quote that because it seems I might have missed that.Andrius wrote:GREEN: 3 dead, one to go (ONE OF TANNY AND NOPOINT IS SCUM) which also means whoever claims Hal Jordan is dead.
And I honestly believe, tans is recruited black (if it started prior to N3) given how he changed his behaviour over the days and how he's all like "I'm the 4th green Lantern, I'm basically confirmed! y'all!". Maybe he is the 4th green Lantern, but he's definitely not town (anymore).-
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Okay, got it. Hal Jordan should definitely come forward now.
Though I'm 95% sure, tans AND nipau are both scum. I'm 100% sure, MoI is scum. And this game feels like one mislynch could cost us the game (hello balance?). Meh, let's just wait for the next VC.
Also, I'm saying this now already, scum should man up tonight and aim for crosskills/black lantern to give us and themselves a decent shot at winning this game.-
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Then I'd like to refer to this one once again:
How much of a flavor geek are the persons currently around?Dekes wrote:
And the flavor question still stands. Is there a color that most likely would contain the black recruiter, i.e. is there flavor-wise a Lantern that the black recruiter generated from?Andrius wrote:GREEN: 3 dead, one to go (ONE OF TANNY AND NOPOINT IS SCUM) which also means whoever claims Hal Jordan is dead.
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Never played with a cult, so no experience there. What happens usually if a cult recruiter recruits scum?Kublai Khan wrote:Hadn't considered it actually. I thought cults can't recruit scum because it screws over the scum team?
Or maybe I'm just grasping at straws here because the thought of possibly (if the recruiton really started N1) having only four real townies left is scary.
Then what do you make of this note by dana:Kublai Khan wrote:
Uh, that comment earns you some Black Lantern points yourself.Dekes wrote:And I'm not sure there are really already three Black Lanterns since only now that a Black Lantern has flipped, dana talked about an altered state of game. May or may not be indicative of when the Black Lanterns joined the game.
Bolded parts: Red herring or vital info?danakillsu wrote:Obviously, the game has changed.Though you have not settled your differences as representatives of different emotions, you realize that there is a threat that might become greater than all of you combined. The Black Lantern Corps, representing death, is able to corrupt the living and the dead to join them in their quest to end all life in the galaxies. Your win conditions have not changed, but rest assured that thisnew enemywill do all it can to keep you from fulfilling them.-
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Yep, because there's a huge difference between going with someone else's plan that could nab scum and simply following some inflated ego where the only solace is an "I told you so"-moment postgame.KageLord wrote:lolololol that's deep, broseph.
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Oh, the mighty MoI. Reverting to OMGUS. Guess, that's why you haven't killed me yet, because you thought you could actually frame me because I caught you.MagnaofIllusion wrote: I also would be happy lynching Dekes (1. likely Yellow from foreknowledge that xvart was yellow before he even claimed 2.and his continued off play)
Then you better shouldn't have based your case on a blatant lie(1.) and some awfully vague statement(2.) which you seem to have stolen right out of AGM's read on you.
So, ignorance of a rather rare mechanic I've never encountered makes me scum. Even better, I'm now black, although I was 100% yellow earlier in this post. You're making this too easy.MoI wrote:Because normal cults can’t. Should this be +1000 Black Lantern points for you since it seems to indicate you didn’t even consider how a cult normally works (ala inside information)?
The limited flavor knowledge I have and dana's added intro post on D3 made me believe that Black Lanterns are working against every other Lantern section so I didn't see any reason why they wouldn't be able to recruit scum.
1. So far we haven't seen anything that would indicate otherwise.Dekes wrote:1. So the Mods would never reserve a popular character as a fake-claim? Derp.
2. The two green claims we have are John Stewart (Hider) and Sodom Yat (Odd Night Vig). Are they both scum then?
2. You think both are scum. What was the purpose of that question then?
But for you and the rest: Since we logically assume evenly distributed fakeclaims amongst the scum teams I see no problem with two fake green claims.
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What kind of pro-town role is Unlynchability that goes directly into the night, thus robbing us from a potential scum lynch, instead of continuing the day?
So, are we massclaiming or are we just lynching scum instead (something I proposed about two pages ago )? Because the designated opening claimer is around now.-
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You surely didn't miss the conditional where I said that if xvart flips yellow there is a good chance you are yellow as well? Because your play on D3 was strinkingly similar to you play on D2. Can't be denied and seeing I wasn't the only one who caught it very much speaks for itself.MagnaofIllusion wrote:It's not a blatant lie, at least from my POV. I know I’m not Yellow so your push to incriminate me as such even before xvart was revealed he was also Yellow could well be a case of your inside information accidently showing.
And regarding your statement that you would be a bad player if you chose not to bus your buddies into oblivion when they had a guilty on them: I personally do see the benefit of trying to prevent a lynch on your watcher and your ninja. And picking nipau as the counterwagon wasn't a bad idea at all since he's probably scum, too. But COMPLETELY ignoring the guilties on Katsuki while making a lot of effort proving nipau's claim wrong and the former ones both flipping yellow? No way you're not yellow.
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If what Kast is saying is true (supported by dana's statement) and we're not dealing with a 4-4-4-4-4-4-1 setup here, how will you be able to catch the black recruiter by color claim?
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Theory:
If you look at the claims and the people who are probably scum, maybe we ARE dealing with an almost 4-4-4-4-4-4-1 setup after all.
If you take tans, nipau, MoI out of the list, throw in AGM instead of Kagelord and what's left? All 4's except for the green-blue discrepancy created by Kast who's definitely a good contender for the Black recruiter.
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Well, I advocate a Kast kill tonight. Dear scum, do us and yourselves a favor and rid ourselves from this nasty cult, thus giving each of us a decent shot at winning this game.
Seriously, what exactly are the pro-town benefits for being able to change colors? Maybe I'm just not seeing them, but I do see them for a scum/3rd party role to (fakeclaim?)-switch between two town colors.-
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Unvote; Vote: Almaster
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Can you elaborate on your KageLord = Black recruiter theory?
MoI resorting to post game threats again...yuck.
Andy, that theory wouldn't match up with the Blues. Do you consider Kast Blue Lantern? Or even MoI? Either way you'd have three persons who claimed active abilites (Kdub, you and #3) and one VT.
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AGM, you do realize that you are scummy even without factoring in any discrepancy in color claims? And the latest point culminating in blatant AtE didn't help either.
But I do agree that I wish this color discussion will come to an end soon and we go back to regular scumhunting. Andy, question from last page still stands.-
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If it's only the Black cult leader messing up with the 4's, we can still work from that angle.MagnaofIllusion wrote:The presence of a Black cult leader throws the 4s/1 proportion out the window. What ‘evidence’ were you expecting from Andrius exactly?
And I'm talking about the evidence Andy was quite sure to get when I asked him back then if the color claim was really necessary today. Without getting closer to the Black cult leader we could've easily lynched one out of tans or nipau and waited with the color claim until tomorrow.
You're right, it hasn't been stopping me. But a lot of the town is too caught up in it. The lack of results so far doesn't justify the huge distraction it constitutes at the moment.MoI wrote:Nothing has been stopping you from doing ‘regular’ scum-hunting while the Color claim process was going on.-
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Unvote; Vote: Kast
Let's do this. There's so much convenience in his claim. Now that he's gotten under suspicion of being Black cult leader he claims a role that seems to make him invaluable if we want to catch Black/prevent them from spreading.
And he claimed the color switch would become effective immediately once triggered. So why would the mods wait a whole cycle to inform Kast of the change of his role? Because the black lantern secret is now into the open but Kast needed his fake "Black recruiting immunizer" today to gain credibility so he made this story full of holes up.
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What do you think of Kast?
And I still want to hear from tans regarding his Kagelord = Black cult leader theory.-
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This was in your first post. Nothing hinting at all that you could help solve the Black Lantern puzzle. You never once hinted you could shed some light into this matter until several people suspected you and you came out with this ridiculously convenient claim.Kast wrote:-I'll participate in a mass claim if that's the majority preference, but I don't see that it helps us that much.
Hell, you could've even came out first thing and fullclaim if we assume Black Lantern don't have a kill. Scum would've definitely no interest in killing you off until the Black Lanterns are removed.
But what did you do instead? You brought up useless flavor speculation about how dead townies might be the solution to the riddle to keep us off track as long as possible and you argued to no end about that we're not dealing with a 4s-1 setup. And you know why? Because you are the only reason it's not all 4s.
How stupid do you think we are? Honestly.Kast wrote:@Andy/Kdub-
If needed, I can demonstrate my redirect tonight. With Stove claiming VT, that leaves Andy's "Blue Brother" power as one of you two (or Spyrex copying one of you two). I can prove my redirect works by sending that ability back to Kdub or Andy (unless you're assuming I'm a recruiter who can recruit AND redirect and who knows what else).
Scenario: You claim to redirect one of the town's action back to them, instead you recruit them. What will the recruited person do? They sure as hell will confirm you redirected their action back to them and "confirm you as town".
And now you are trying to overly justify your night actions by sharing a detailed thought process to make it seem as plausible as possible instead of simply saying "I thought he was scum so I RB'd him. Deal with it.".
Advice for next time: Don't fakeclaim something that is too good to be true.-
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And what makes you sure, this won't happen while you're trying to prove yourself by redirecting tonight?Kast wrote:@Dekes-
-I'd much rather not have Black Lanterns trying to kill/lynch/Recruit/RB/do-anything-to me. Claiming from the get go kinda screws that up.
Why did I know you'd specifically pick out this point?Kast wrote:You are proving yourself to be very much
If KDub uses his power on unannounced target A, I redirect to Andy, then unless I recruited both KDub, Andy, AND target A, there's outside confirmation from two other people. Same holds with Andy and KDub switched.
This would just mean outguessing Andy here. Do you think Andy referred to himself when he was talking about the "Blue Brother" action or not? You'd only need to hit the Blue Brother for your plan to work. And even if not, this could just be you sacrificing yourself because you got caught and you're just trying to gain another night for another recruitment.
But, fine, let's try this: How likely do you believe is it that the Black cult leader is among the remaining players? Who do you think it could be and why?
What makes you think that?The Stove wrote:Our guess is he's Yellow.
And why do you believe it's better to lynch yellow today instead of lynching off the last member of a scum faction/the black cult leader?
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One other thing, Kast.
You say that KK made up a rather obscure name in fear of getting cc'd. So what does that make him exactly? If he's scum do you think he a) didn't get a mod provided fakeclaim, b) was provided a poor fakeclaim of a character not taking part in the Blackest Night that could expose him or c) ignored the mod given fakeclaim and made up his own?-
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I'm caught up now. I still think Kast is our best bet today.
Especially now that I'm having second thoughts about nipau. Yes, I know his claim is whacky as hell and his playing so bad he should be punished for it. But the main thing that's bugging me is his N1 claim. If he was action immune instead of hider why would he claim he hid behind Vi? That was sketchy as hell back then and he got a lot of heat for it but it is explainable after Vi's role got revealed. But unless he knew Vi's role why would he take such a big risk in lying if he could've claimed some other target easily? Maybe this was mentioned in one of the cases against nipau (MoI?) and maybe I'm just paranoid, I don't know.
Anyway, tans should get killed tonight. If he isn't orange, I guess I will settle for nipau then.
Kage, who is black then? You weren't exactly blackhunting today...or scumhunting at all except for that alibi-threat against nipau. Don't like your quietness at all today with all the black shenanigans going on. In the improbable event Kast doesn't flip black, scum and vigs should take a look this way.
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Kagelord is still way too quiet compared to his overall activity across the board. I don't know if yellow would really be trying to stay under the radar now with all the scum- and blackhunting going on that could help their faction get rid of a rival faction and could give them somewhat townie points for it as well.
Kagelord, once again, stop lurking. You said it'd be in town's best interest to lynch the black recruiter today but you never actually said who you think that black recruiter is . So, who is it and - in your own words - why?-
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Sorry, Kast, I read the last part of your spoilered section first and when it said lynching you would mean a guaranteed town loss the rest of it became suddenly awfully uninteresting.
I'm willing to leave Kast alone today if we lynch between tans and AGM. And reluctantly nipau.
I disagree with people who say the more scum factions we keep alive the more probable cross kills are. Scum have no interest in reducing the suspect pool. If the pool of town people is still big enough scum will imo always try to kill off townies and get scum from the other factions lynched.
The only common interest scum have with town is eliminating black if black's wincon is making up the majority.
And btw, am I the only one who thinks part of why black may be such a big threat now is because the mason recruiter got killed Night one. I think he was probably supposed to act as some kind of a counter-cult for town.-
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You could say that, yes.Andrius wrote:Dekes, you a PR with an active ability?
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What do you think of Kast? Who do you think is black? You've been avoiding these questions for far too long now.
Other than that the game is pretty much dead today. We have our suspect pool, we have our lynch candidates. Andy, it'd be best to make a decision tonight and get it over with. No need to turn this into a deadline lynch.-
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Did we ever consider the possibility of Tans being Black recruiter? He obviously wants to buy himself another night and he must realize he's tomorrow's lynch if he's not getting killed tonight so he comes up with a ridiculous claim that
a) makes us hesitate to lynch him today and
b) he can't prove tonight but at the earliest in two days
And if you look through Toog's rather short Iso of D3 it's noticable that the only time he gives a town read/tries to clear somebody is tans right before nightfall.
Alternative theory is that they're both recrutee's (something I was leaning towards earlier).
Ugh, I really hate that cult.
Aw, fuck it:
Unvote; Vote: npiau
If tans is black, npiau is orange. I'd also lynch AGM who's almost confirmed red.
If scum want to have a chance at winning they aim for tanstalas or Kast tonight. If Kast is town he uses his super fantastic anti black cult moves and he's not to redirect anything tonight.
The only problem I have with this is the prospect of having to deal with tanstalas and Kast tomorrow if scum decide to be a cowardly bunch of pansies aiming for crosskills or PRs.
Ah well, no point in whining. If we lynch correctly three times in a row and then mess up once and lose because of that there's enough time to whine postgame.-
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