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Yosarian2 wrote:Flameaxe wrote:Chronopie wrote:We didn't have an N0. But I supposed the recruiters could have had a pre-game pick.
We had a pre-game/N0 pick in the first game.
Before the thread opened, or during the confirmation phase?
I replaced in, so I'm not sure when exactly it was. I'd assume with two lynch immune stumps they get some sort of recruit...Otherwise we would be doing absolutely nothing day one.Defined by who I dislike, not who I like~-
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I didn't flake Succession 1, didn't flake either of Prozac's minis, didn't flake oman's mini, requested replacement in oldy only to retract that request 20 minutes too late. Your logic is three years too old, Yos.
UnvoteStill not really a fan of SL, but it's not quite worthy a place for my vote anymore. I don't think DGB's case on xvart is all that fantastic, and I don't think the generic DGB manic posting is helping my opinion of that.
Vote: Cobble. Really not liking that flip-flop in 171/2, not to mention what seems to be useless rolefishing in a game like this.
Hero 173: Lets not start the active lurking reasoning less than 24 hours into the game, it just makes you sound silly.
Xvart 176: Again, lets not start silly sounding arguments and actually play like a normal game.
182 Only helps me feel happy about my vote-placement. Your mouth keeps moving, but I'm not hearing anything. 184: We're in a game with two cults, pandering about power roles is wasted effort.Defined by who I dislike, not who I like~-
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Cobblerfone wrote:Flameaxe wrote:182 Only helps me feel happy about my vote-placement. Your mouth keeps moving, but I'm not hearing anything. 184: We're in a game with two cults, pandering about power roles is wasted effort.
It was more like me trying to not lynch a potential PR.
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St(r)eamy consciousness starting at 279:
Cobble 290: You have Katsuki listed as "decided to lurk" yet Kat is also one of your town reads. Consider me baffled at your logic here.
Zdenek 300: Removing players from consideration due to a profession mod-confirmed to be flavor only seems like a moronic thing to even consider.
Ooba 311: This is some pretty shitty logic. I expected better out of you. There is no logical reasoning for ruling out anyone as a candidate for recruitment due to their skill/experience. A high caliber player would be seen as a likely choice, but a CR might see this and go for a lower-caliber player, but a CR might think that the town might expect this, so they might...etc. Circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works.
Yos 313: Yeah, we recruited you the night after day one in Succ 1.
Tanarin 329: This post basically sums up my thoughts regarding the claim. Ultimately, I don't really see the claim itself being a huge tell, null if anything, but I just don't see any reason why someone would hurry a claim under the pressure he was under.
Cecily 330: Cop out post is pretty cop out-y. Really not liking this whole "I don't know xvart, so imma take someone elses word for it and blindly follow it" business. Consider this a comment of you jumping up my scumlist.
Spring 333: Question (to you or anyone else who may want to chime in on the whole thing): The cobble claim doesn't make sense from a town point of view, sure, but do you see any situation where it would make sense from a scum point of view any more than a town point of view?
Ludi 341, 342, 344: I'm failing to see any worthwhile reason for these posts. I'd like it much more if you drifted from any setup speculation and moved onto who you feel is scum and why. Setup speculation is simply that, speculation.
Ludi 354: Another rather worthless post. This game will be a lot easier on you if you forget about those two people named ABR and Kinetic. Lynch recruits, win. Simple plan is simple.
Ooba 365: You're really stuck on the whole "recruit the elite, its the bestest" logic, aren't you? I'll just remind you of Succession 1 where BOTH recruiters went after me=wierd night zero, someone who is not an elite player named Yosarian2.
Cobble 370: This post just makes your claim look plain desperate. I still don't see a logical reason to jump from "xvart has correct points against me" to "LOL I SHOULD CLAIM".
Hero 376: That's Ani, not any.
Ludi 386: Not really my post to reply to, but I'd like to get a few comments in.
A) I'm not voting cobble because I think he is a probable recruit. Why? Because voting for someone due to them being a probable recruit is a bunch of WIFOM, and I'd hope you understood that by now. (Refer to circular logic comment above!) I'm voting for Cobble because throughout the day, he has done things that I find scummy, and due to these things, I find him to be the scummiest player on the table (but others are closing in, cough cough, you). I get it, there is a cult. That doesn't mean we should approach this game any differently than any other in terms of finding scum.
B) There really isn't a switch-a-roo. Stop grasping.
C) HoS is lame. (I really didn't have a decent C, so this is what i put)
Ludi 387: Stop trying to limit wagons. Deadline is nowhere close, and trying to draw a line in the sand already is not only a terrible idea, but a damn scummy one in my eyes.
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But the real issue here is the fact that the whole concept of a player being recruitable is a giant pile of WIFOM that is excessive for this part of a game. Mixing WIFOM and scumhunting is not a worthwhile endeavor, nor should it ever be. Unless you have some magical way of reading the CR's mind, I don't really see a reason to bother outguessing them straight up. As for circular logic, the sheer fact that it CAN be turned into circular logic should be a reason to stay away from it.
I don't see a single person on that player list (beyond ABR and Kinetic) that should be seen as a possible recruit, it just makes little sense to rule anyone out. I'd also hate to be the one to point it out, but your case on Batt is pretty much awful. The yos case isn't as bad, but is pretty far from good.
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springlullaby wrote:Flameaxe wrote:
Spring 333: Question (to you or anyone else who may want to chime in on the whole thing): The cobble claim doesn't make sense from a town point of view, sure, but do you see any situation where it would make sense from a scum point of view any more than a town point of view?
I think it might be something I could have tried as an investigation proof scum. What with the lying low since the claim.
I need to look at his meta though.
Cobbler, what do you think of that? Wanna vote yourself to prove that you aren't scum?
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Cobblerfone wrote:sorry everyone. Here's it formatted correctly:
Flameaxe wrote: You have Katsuki listed as "decided to lurk" yet Kat is also one of your town reads. Consider me baffled at your logic here.
It was the way Kats announced the lurking. Though, it'll be bad if she's recruited. Maybe we should lynch Kats so she can't keep herself from showing a difference in playstyles?
Flameaxe at Ooba wrote:...I'll just remind you of Succession 1 where BOTH recruiters went after me=wierd night zero...
Wasn't that Seraphim and me=weird replaced him?
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Cobblerfone wrote:Oh.
Flameaxe, do you know how the mechanics worked in succesion I?
Actually anyone from the game I guess could answer that. It'll save me the looking.
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DrippingGoofball wrote:animorpherv1 wrote:Fifth Vote Count of Day One:
xvart - 7 (DrippingGoofball, Cecily, Yosarian2, Seraphim, Fritzler, Nobody Special, ThAdmiral)
Cobblerfone - 6 (recruit, recruit, recruit, recruit, recruit, recruit)
Magister Ludi - 2 (springlullaby, Battousai)
springlullaby - 2 (Herodotus, Zdenek)
Yosarian2 - 2 (Magister Ludi, populartajo)
Chronopie - 1 (RaudhrGarm)
Katsuki - 1 (Bunnylover)
Herodotus - 1 (populartajo)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Dry-fit)
Not Voting: 3 (Chronopie, Katsuki, Cobblerfone)
With 25 voters, it will take 13 to lynch.
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I guess I could have added to my last post that I really don't have much to add beyond repeating what I've already stated. Or giving townreads, which in a game like this doesn't feel very appropriate. If anything, I will say that Prozac's comment about Yos seems pretty spot on (as does the rest of 576 for that matter). [LudiSpeculation]I'd also expect the CRs to go after someone that would be safe on D1, and I don't recall Yos being lynched on day one that often.[/ludi] Ultimately, this isn't enough to make me think he is recruited yet.
On a similar note, Cobble's yos vote doesn't sit all that well with me. The reasoning to go along with it is horrifically vague, and stating that he has a history of doing something in S1, but also claiming you can't find the post that supports your claim is super sketch in my book.
Batt's comments regarding Katsuki is also spot on. Step up, Kat. Play the game, don't expect others to play it for you.
Not liking the continued skating by from Cecily either. The few posts she has made are (in my opinion) totally worthless throwaway posts. I would also like to see a bit more from Bunnylover. RaudhrGarm stated he would be back to posting today, for anyone who may have forgotten. Sera has falled off the face of the game (Prod?)
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I was refering to what someone else had said. I still can't find it, but apparently when you were recruited and "confirmed" scum somehow they left you alive because you were leaking (false) details about the number of recruits each team had, etc. I'm not so certain whether you were recruited by then or not, but it's something I took into account when reading your ISO this time.
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Herodotus wrote:Nobody Special wrote:And so, because you, as one lone player, have decided unilaterally that he isn't scum, we don't get to see his flip.
Thanks, ever so.
FoS: Batt
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Why the FoS? "an unknown thing" =/= "a scummy thing".
Not liking bvoit's request for flavour, but it looks like one of those things that is slightly more likely to be townie anti-town play than scum anti-town play.
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I thought we determined on page 5 that we should basically ignore everything Kinetic and ABR say? Why is this still a topic of discussion? It's not that complicated.
Re Chrono: Chrono can easily be seen as a probable recruit, as someone who was recruited for a good majority of S1. It wouldn't surprise me at least one recruit is a returning player.
Re LL/Cecily: While I agree with the thought behind Tajo's 905, something is just really bothering me about the playerslot. Cecily wasn't exactly anywhere near townie to me, and LL hasn't improved my view all that much. As unlikely as it may be, I'm finding this one difficult to just ignore.
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Flameaxe wrote:I thought we determined on page 5 that we should basically ignore everything Kinetic and ABR say? Why is this still a topic of discussion? It's not that complicated.
Re Chrono: Chrono can easily be seen as a probable recruit, as someone who was recruited for a good majority of S1. It wouldn't surprise me at least one recruit is a returning player.
Re LL/Cecily: While I agree with the thought behind Tajo's 905, something is just really bothering me about the playerslot. Cecily wasn't exactly anywhere near townie to me, and LL hasn't improved my view all that much. As unlikely as it may be, I'm finding this one difficult to just ignore.
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Yosarian2 wrote:Flameaxe wrote:
Re Chrono: Chrono can easily be seen as a probable recruit, as someone who was recruited for a good majority of S1. It wouldn't surprise me at least one recruit is a returning player.
Is that really your whole case against Chrono?
No...I was stating it in reply to the comments regarding Chrono. I've been spouting out about how likely recruits are silly sounding the entire game, and was simply saying that Chrono should not be a player to throw away as not being a probable recruit. Chrono is 3rd (probably closer to 4th now, but ThAD's stupid lists seem to frown upon changes) due to general lack of content and what I consider to be a mostly fluffy ISO. In addition, the xvart vote was pretty terrible (the vote was monday, not early game). With the little content chrono has up till now, claiming a vote as sheeping DGB doesn't sit well with me.
So yeah, basically, read the ISO and tell me how many useful posts chrono has at this point. That's why he is where he is on my list. Him being listed as a probable recruit was only posted to show that I don't feel he should be ignored. Hope this helps.
@Cobble: Elaborate on this bias you speak of. S1 is over, this is a new game. What was done has been done and has been pushed aside.
@Batt: You consider chrono's calling DGB town and sheeping a vote reasonable at an early point in the game. The only problem with it is that I don't see where it happened in early game, as I said above. The sheeping of the vote happened on monday, and chrono was not voting in any votecount up until the last votecount (votecount 10).Defined by who I dislike, not who I like~-
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Cobblerfone wrote:Flameaxe wrote:@Cobble: Elaborate on this bias you speak of. S1 is over, this is a new game. What was done has been done and has been pushed aside.
I just meant that you've recruited him before so of course you'd see him as a good recruit, right?
I'm a bit disturbed with RaudhrGarm not replacing out or posting by now. Isn't that usually a scumtell if a player goes on V/LA for too long?
For what its worth, our reasoning didn't have much to do with how scummy he was or wasn't. It was because he was a claimed RB with an innocent result from our cop. This is a bit off track, but oh well. Nothing else to comment on really.Defined by who I dislike, not who I like~-
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Battousai wrote:Flameaxe wrote:@Batt: You consider chrono's calling DGB town and sheeping a vote reasonable at an early point in the game. The only problem with it is that I don't see where it happened in early game, as I said above. The sheeping of the vote happened on monday, and chrono was not voting in any votecount up until the last votecount (votecount 10).
??? When Did I say?
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unvote, vote Katsuki
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I'm not too keen on a Yos lynch at this point. I see the probable recruit side, but not much more than that. I've seen lots of people claim to be putting out damning information against him, but I can't find it within their posts. I'd obviously prefer a cobble lynch over any other, but will settle for Ludi or Chrono over Yos.
Not enjoying the constant babble from Kat regarding being close to deadline. PROTIP TO KAT: IF YOU WANT A LYNCH, PUSH YOUR CASE, NOT THE DEADLINE. Telling me a deadline is a few days away doesn't make me think a yos lynch is a worthwhile one. Convince me it is, it would be a better use of your time. Perhaps no one is listening to you because you have nothing worthwhile to say.
On another, related, note: How moronic is this game coming to if we are using the same logic as the RVS two days before deadline? "I'm guessing XXXXXX would be a good recruit based on nothing in the 50 fucking pages of thread but pure speculation" shouldn't be a serious wagon this late into the day.
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Vote: Cobble. Nothing has changed regarding this vote from yesterday other than his ThAd "case". Mostly as a place to put my ideas in writing, here's where I'm sitting with cobble:
- His points against ThAd are horrifically weak and impossible to defend against. Using points like "he must have ulterior motives with the lists" and "he's trying TOO hard to be friendly" just sound stupid when you give it any thought. If we're calling Thad scummy for using the lists, then we might as well call the entire playerlist scummy for going along with it, yourself included. List or no list, it took ten votes to get a lynch out of it, and ten votes were given, and you seemed just fine to go along with it (the vote) yesterday. As for impossible to defend, there really isn't any way to make a reply to your "case" without saying anything along the lines of "nuh-uh!". I've generally found in situations like that, the case is pretty wishy-washy as it is. So yes, I think your case is wishy-washy at best.
- All this teamster meeting business is a massive waste of time, not only to the teamsters, but to everyone who has to read through it. 47 says that role is not the same as job, and I don't really see how meeting at a place on the map at night would do anything to make all the teamsters do anything special. Even if it did, you didn't exactly commit all that much to the meeting other than a few throwaway comments. When day two opened, you displayed some care or concern about the fact that the meeting didn't happen, only to turn around to say you didn't care once it became apparent that none of the other teamsters cared at all about the meeting. Like I said, this was, and still is, a waste of time, and has been from the start.
- 182, 184, and 190 are all terrible, terrible posts that reek of nothing but shameless rolefishing. Not to mention they all go back to the idea posted by Flay in 47 that job and role are different, which leads to the thought that those of the same roles do not have the same roles.
- 297 might be worse than all three of the above. The claim itself from cobble is NOT what should be seen as scummy. The fact that despite claiming an integral part of the role, he refuses to disclose information that would support his claim (aka: flavor). I fail to see any reason why explaining the flavor behind your unrecruitable-ness would do anything to hint too much at your role.
- Unrelated note: What was stopping any non-teamsters from joining the meeting? Wouldn't that have some sort of impact on the meeting if it happened?
Regarding DGB: I'm torn. As with Yos, I've seen this DGB before as town. I'm also wary to follow this past experience and claim she is still town here. As much as I see her doing this as town, I can also see her doing it as town, so it's a nulltell as of now in my eyes. I also think Tan's point in 1485 is a decent one.Defined by who I dislike, not who I like~-
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Flameaxe wrote:we're lynching one of flameaxe, fritzler, ooba, porochaz, or populartajo.
I forget, why exactly are we limiting a lynch down to a list you, from what I can tell, arbitrarily came up with? Why exactly should I be following your lead here?
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Herodotus wrote:Flameaxe wrote:Flameaxe wrote:we're lynching one of flameaxe, fritzler, ooba, porochaz, or populartajo.
I forget, why exactly are we limiting a lynch down to a list you, from what I can tell, arbitrarily came up with? Why exactly should I be following your lead here?
Cough cough cough.
We're limiting the lynch to the list I arbitrarily came up with because my guilty result was on one of the people from that list. (The other names were included because they fit a similar profile, and not because they are particularly suspicious.)
You should follow my lead because this is a smalltown game, so my claim is supported by the flavour.
I see that no one else finds any of those five suspicious.It also means I didn't stand a chance of drawing people to the lynch we need without claiming; my attempts to do so were the reason for my obsession with getting people to focus on a small group.That's why the CR recruited this person.
I won't follow the CORRUPT cop in a smalltown game, thanks. (Even then, I doubt you can call this a smalltown game simply because we have professions listed on the first page. I've yet to see any connection between profession and role that can be seen as logical).
Yos' 1693 is 100% spot on as well.Defined by who I dislike, not who I like~-
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Ooba: Due to the flavor of Succession 1, all townies were called goons, including unrecruited ones. Despite this, I'm not exactly going along with Kinetic's logic here.
DGB: What post of yours details why I should be voting for Kat? I'm going to look for it anyway, but I'm not terribly opposed to a Kat lynch.Defined by who I dislike, not who I like~-
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Battousai wrote:Battousai wrote:
Also, softclaim/will not explain further: cobbler's chance at being a recruit is low.
I won't explain further, but you just don't believe what I'm saying or are you just trying to waste your vote for the day so you can late wagon at deadline to avoid suspicion?
Yes, I know that last part was pointed, but I'm in a pointy mood today.
Don't plan on taking a softclaim as gospel. Sorry, but you'll need to do better than that. Plenty of people have said exactly what you "softclaimed", why should I believe you (in a cult game, nonetheless)?Defined by who I dislike, not who I like~-
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Flameaxe wrote:Ooba: Due to the flavor of Succession 1, all townies were called goons, including unrecruited ones. Despite this, I'm not exactly going along with Kinetic's logic here.
DGB: What post of yours details why I should be voting for Kat? I'm going to look for it anyway, but I'm not terribly opposed to a Kat lynch.
And the second part of this one for what its worth.Defined by who I dislike, not who I like~-
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