Mass Effect Mafia (Draw)

[Hiraki]

I confirmed via P.M. but w/e.

Hey PergrineV.



You die.

[Hiraki]

Vote: Nintendo

This is shitty.

[Hiraki]

Hey guys, let's test Rhinox's claim:

Unvote;
Vote: Rhinox

Seriously?

[Hiraki]

to make you uselessness and an easy kill for me, obv.

heeehhehheehehehehe

No but seriously, stop caring about Rhinox's claim.

We use claims to find scum as a last resort, not a first resort.

ESPECIALLY WHEN I'M NOT TALI.

[Hiraki]

Unvote, Vote: Ender241

[Hiraki]

Ender is scum.

Stop arguing.

[Hiraki]

I'm certainly not liking the fact with silent wraith jumping onto a band wagon, but that really isn't enough to vote him so i'll

FoS: Silent wraith

for now.

Has no vote out though.

Extreme caution here, not sensing to be a townie caution.

[Hiraki]

Explained above. I doubt Rhinox is scum at the moment anyhow.

Unvote

Ender, you FoS'ed me with no vote in RVS. Why?

hi

[Hiraki]

Yes. There's an entire page on acronyms in the wiki, I believe.

[Hiraki]

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Acronyms

[Hiraki]

oh my god.

this hurts my brain.

y u people not vote scummy people

jason next if Toog is town WORD

Did you honestly just set up a lynch?

[Hiraki]

I did.

You think I'm scum? Or just tunnelingtown?

Vote me if you think it's scummy.

C'mon punk. Do it.

I have more faith in an ender lynch.

But you would be Numero Dos for not caring about the game.

[Hiraki]

Toog, stop screwing my reads over about you.

kk? Thanks.

[Hiraki]

Jason was one of the reasons I was hesitant to change.

Can you show me how it is plausible that he's a town-motivated parrot?

[Hiraki]

Yeah.

I can't see Toog flipping scum.

[Hiraki]

Toog is town.

I don't know how high you guys are, but you're really out there.

Arguing that Toog is calling his first vote a random vote, which it isn't but that's the point, doesn't point toward Toogscum.

Just shows that Toog needs to look at his mafia definitions.

Other than that, Toog is mighty fine. His first vote is actually glorious.

[Hiraki]

Other than that, Toog is mighty fine. His first vote is actually glorious.

This doesn't sound like the TownHiraki I know.

Please stop talking already.

You don't know me, considering we've played like 2 games together and I'm 100% sure you have not read any of my other games.

[Hiraki]

What do you mean?

[Hiraki]

I see what you mean, but he was under the pretense of being attacked for voting due to not being random, and claiming it was random.

Again, that's not scummy.

[Hiraki]

But that's the point.

Scum don't take these high risk maneuvers. They fit in with the crowd. Toog has done too many things that aren't good townie to allow me to see him as town.

[Hiraki]

Ender, and probably Jason.

[Hiraki]

The second is written incorrectly.

What I meant to say is that Toog has done too many things that have been noted to be scummy or radical. He hasn't fit in with the crowd, he's made himself stand out.

Can scum do this? Yes.

Are we lynching plausible scum who can do this on D1? No.

[Hiraki]

We dislike the argument that anyone is or is not scum by the fact that they stick out or not. It's the "too dumb for scum" route all over again, only it conjectures that one's play style if it is in fact provocative, that scum would not use it to mimic playing town. A better thing to ask someone is what is their motivation: is it in fact town motivated or not to try to disprove everyone's RVS vote by pointing out that it wasn't in fact truly random?

You're not getting what I'm saying.

The main basis of the argument is that Toog voted seriously, in the time of RVS correct? I have no scum viewpoint for trying to do this. It's not that Toog has done anything scummy, it's that Toog hasn't been doing anything that scum would do, aka: there are no real scumtells against Toog.

What's more suspicious to us, at least, is the above reasoning for town--we dislike the argument. for it makes an intuitive leap; and does so in lieu of scum hunting, which is not something Hiraki's done a lot of without prompting. Or more plainly, Hiraki's spent more time giving us his town read on Toog then giving us any real scum reads on much of anyone else.

Because Ender still has to die. I can explain Jason easily with being on the Toog wagon, and not directly stating any reads, only asking questions. The only direct statement is ISO Post 5, which contradicts most or all of Jason's play thus far.

[Hiraki]

I'm sorry that Ender is my top scumread?

[Hiraki]

Marco is a newbie though.

[Hiraki]

We're not lynching a newbie D1.

The reason you're being so opportunistic is disgusting.

[Hiraki]

We're not lynching a newbie D1.

The reason you're being so opportunistic is disgusting.

Im not suggesting we lynch a newbie day 1 and no where have I said that.

You didn't say that, but it's a fact that Macro is a newbie.

He's your lynch for tomorrow, don't lie.

[Hiraki]

We're not lynching a newbie D1.

The reason you're being so opportunistic is disgusting.

Im not suggesting we lynch a newbie day 1 and no where have I said that.

You didn't say that, but it's a fact that Macro is a newbie.

He's your lynch for tomorrow, don't lie.

False, I do not setup lynches on a day to day basis nor do I chain lynch. I do not even see Marco as scummy right now. I was just pointing out you cant excuse scummy on the newbie card.

Very nice misrep.

Of course you don't in game, but I'm just saying what's in your head.

[Hiraki]

how do you know what is in my head?

inception.

The funny part is, you've never denied that this wasn't in your head.

Your turn shall come.

@Hiraki- re: post 40- Sorry, don't really get the reference.

You are Tali.

I've had multiple times of affection with Tali, in person, and require to be her.

you must die.

I'm certainly not liking the fact that Hiraki thinks i am top scum and wants me to be lynched over one tiny thing.

You don't like it, but can't explain where I'm wrong.

Awesome!

Also, this "small" thing you talk about is one of the only points of content in your posts, so it's really not that small if you think about it.

On the Marco scum-death thing, considering he is a newbie, i remember being scum newbie and i openly said kill me. The scum tend to do that more oftan than town actually.

So let's s(c)um up something here. (I actually made scum up as a typo and thought it was nifty. Deserves an award or something)

Because Macro is a newbie, he

must

be like when you were a newbie.
Therefore, because Macro is an identical newbie to you, he must be scum.

No. No. No. That's

completely

illogical and I won't dare accept it.

Also, you have 7 posts as of now in a game that has 10 pages. You've promised content and a good post, and if you consider this a good post we will not get along at all. However, that won't be needed because I am fully confident in my abilities to pinpoint you as scum now.

[Hiraki]

Newbie, so insane.

Moving along.

[Hiraki]

Sigh. Nintendo.

Just sheep.

[Hiraki]

The big fall through in Jason's big attack is that I thought he was scum before Jason.

Jason isn't even that big of a point. In fact, I was just having a little bit of fun by way of pestering Jason.

Nothing big. But I guess he would try to make a mountain out of a molehill from it. It's the only thing that's been pointed towards him thus far. (pst. you should read into what this is saying)

[Hiraki]

Hiraki is scummy and misguided as town, and I haven't played with him as scum at all.

SpyreX, we gon' run this town yah?

You're calling me a VI?

sadface.

[Hiraki]

Sigh. Nintendo.

Just sheep.

[Hiraki]

Nintendo.

Your case is fucking horrible.

Shut up.

[Hiraki]

Hmm.

I was going to dedicate this post to Nintendo-town, but I have an itch this is like something I've never seen before.

Nintendo is null for the moment, pending further investigation.

[Hiraki]

Never said you set up the lynch. I said you were THINKING about it. And I've said this, what, three times now? Yet, you are still trying to say I said you WERE setting up the lynch, when all along I have been saying you were THINKING about it.

Jason didn't even think of a Macro lynch until I started to talk about it. He talked about it after that.

In fact, Jason hasn't even commented on anything Macro related until ISO 20(Post 209).

So? you can't just give people free passes on the Newbie card, its dangerous. Scummy is scummy regardless of new or seasoned. If you think someone is scummy, you vote them.

He commented on my behavior, not Macro himself. He put Macro in the null category.

However, I have noticed something. I obv. took a peek into Nintendo's meta. There is one thing that stands out between his scum meta and town meta. It's fairly noticeable, and happening here.

He can't think he's wrong about anything.

00's Band Mafia, There Will Be A Mafia, and Mini 1156 are my standards for this conclusion. It really shows in Mini 1156 between him and Pine. Especially the Town Gunsmith point.

Moving on, Ender still needs to die.

[Hiraki]

Nintendo.

Your case is fucking horrible.

Shut up.

Not that I disagree, but the funny thing is, Hiraki, nintendo's "case" is pretty much yours with another layer of craplogic on top.

--Wraith

except not really

at all.

It really shows in Mini 1156 between him and Pine.

iirc Pine was scum there.

Yes, let's look at your amazing reasoning for it.

Pine - Pine was the first to vote. Pine was also the one who said on his next post that early bandwagons are good, but sheeping onto them without information is not. He even goes on to tell Quil off about it in post #96. He also states that Quil is pretty new to this in that same post, but then in post #103 he slams Quil again for acting scummy when he just said a few posts that Quil is new. So, Pine... Do you think Quil was acting scummy? Or do you think he is just new?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p3022478

Town Gunsmith

Umm, is there even a Mafia gunsmith? Unnecessary use of the word "Town" = caught scum is caught.

Yeah.

You totally caught Pinescum.

In fact, you were the major reason on getting him lynched. Not sure if it was because he was scummy though, or if everyone wanted you to shut up. Need to check on that though, pronto.

It's almost as if Hiraki is trying to have nintendo take all the heat on this one.

It's almost like Macro wants to call me scummy, but doesn't have the balls to do so.

Tell me, Macro, what are your reads at the present moment.

[Hiraki]

Sathoris also needs to die.

Especially after that vote.

He's a bit

too

happy.

[Hiraki]

so reck.

why don't you just help me lynch ender and sathoris.

be really nice

[Hiraki]

WHEEEEEYEAH

[Hiraki]

Just did. So what's the case on him?

He's fucking scummy.

Are you fucking serious?

[Hiraki]

I'm a bit suspicious of Hikari as well. Not to mention the fact that him telling Nintendo to shut up almost felt like mafia telling his teammate not to dig himself a deeper hole.

While I admire your inquisitiveness as a newbie, you do lack the knowledge to pinpoint what someone is doing at a specific time.

Per se, me. I didn't want to hear Nintendo's mind crumbling ramblings. So, I told him to shut up.

After he didn't do that, I explained it.

[Hiraki]

I'm just saying, that's what it is.

[Hiraki]

Lynch all liars? Really?

Okay, what is the town motivation for lying? Since you care so much about analyzing motivation?

Sometimes, people have these things called mistakes. Annoyances. Rages.

stupid.

AKA: Jason v/s Nintendo is scum v/s VI, but not for VI's reasons.

[Hiraki]

you think im scum, Hiraki?? or are you saying I am a VI?

You are scum.

[Hiraki]

Macro still hasn't read my posts in depth.

Sad.

[Hiraki]

Because Nintendo is a VI.

Get over it.

[Hiraki]

Ender or Nintendo?

[Hiraki]

Actually...

Thinking about Ender a little harder actually

lowers

my suspicion of him. If I was scum in his position, I would be doing my damndest to get Nintendo lynched, since being neck-and-neck with him as a leading wagon for the day would make that my only chance for survival. So why

isn't

he?

Let's be blatantly obvious, thanks.

[Hiraki]

Reck was just going for reactions.

[Hiraki]

Vote: PeregrineV

Just take a peek.

Anything more would hurt.

[Hiraki]

Jason isn't scum.

He wouldn't claim a kill as scum.

At least, he's not the lynch for today Reck.

[Hiraki]

Nintendo was scummy as hell

Lied
misrepped
pushed a false case he admitting knowing was misrepped but continued anyway.

I took him out as he was scummy as hell. I believed shooting him would yield our best chance at hitting scum via other means other than lynch..

And I explained how that was Nintendo town.

There was no need to shoot him, but he could be considered vig bait.

[Hiraki]

I did nothing.

Because busing isn't good until the end of the game.

[Hiraki]

Blocked you for the same reason plus I thought you were trollishly neutral-scum. Mostly for your reason though.

Aww.

I'm hurt.

(Not really)

[Hiraki]

Cool.

One scum pinned even if GhostWriter isn't it.

Unvote, Vote: GhostWriter

[Hiraki]

I'd believe that they'd just get new abilities but I'm pretty sure no one knows but scum.

I mean, that's how I'd think it'd work. The original roles would just be filler if they got scum roles from the random selection.

[Hiraki]

Peregrine could've been roleblocked if scum get new abilities. Or Sathoris is gambitting.

[Hiraki]

No. Do it yourself. This day should end fast.

[Hiraki]

(Absolutely nothing)

[Hiraki]

He's fucking scum.

[Hiraki]

Rhinox.

How do you know that GhostWriter even still has his abilities? Like I suggested before, he could just have a new scum role. Therefore, he'd just be using this as an opportunity to live. In addition, considering that GhostWriter is lynch numero uno tomorrow(and if he's not you best be trollin rhinox), if there's no day talk, your opportunity would be a waste.

tl;dr: Block this shot and I will kill you.(cause im the sk lololololol)

[Hiraki]

That was pretty bad wording. My bad.

I meant to say block the vote, since his block is a shot. And I got those two mixed up. Considering that I was talking about Rhinox, the governor, the entire time, I don't see how I could talk about Sathoris, the roleblocker.

[Hiraki]

Ummm... is this even a game mechanic? I thought the whole idea was this was smalltown and everyone's role's were public but alignments were not??? Either way, like I said it doesn't matter what GW tells us about his results, the 2nd faction don't know if he doesn't still have his ability and would still have to nk him.

But um.

Wouldn't that mean that the only plausible way that scum could win would be if they had all the night killing roles and/or bus driver?

Who said anything about Sathoris?

See this is when you make it blindingly apparent that you're trying to throw suspicion on me, when you know there's nothing scummy.

[Hiraki]

YEAH NICE JOB SPY.

TAKING THOSE GUNS FOR YOURSELF.

CAN'T SHOOT ANYONE FROM THE GRAVE.

[Hiraki]

which makes the GW wagon even more glorious.

[Hiraki]

I am so useless in this game.

Vote: Silent Wraith

[Hiraki]

Useless equates to still not doing anything.

Bus driving is pro-scum in most scenarios.

[Hiraki]

Unvote

[Hiraki]

I targeted Hiraki last night and got no result (literally a pm stating no result) and I dunno if that means he went no where, I was the one actually blocked or what. If he went nowhere then that means #4 in your list a no kill scenarios is wrong.

Like Amrun, I'm confused.

Could you explain this? Did you get that I didn't do anything or that you were not able to track me, per se.

[Hiraki]

How is PeregrineV obvtown?

[Hiraki]

I'm actually really annoyed that PeregrineV is obv. town when he's my highest single scumread.

I need explanations pl0x.

[Hiraki]

How do we know that PeregrineV was the NK.

[Hiraki]

so then how the fuck is peregrinev cleared/obv. town

no one is answering this fucking question.

[Hiraki]

That does change my opinion.

I mean, in retrospective he's dead weight. But if he gave you a gun, then I guess he's good.

He did steal Tali away from me though, so he's hypothetical scum.

Y'know.

P.E.: I'm highly doubtful PeregrineV would've thought of this.

No offense or anything, but it's true.

[Hiraki]

Edit: Plus, he could've just blamed it on vig.

[Hiraki]

can u guys give me order to bus drive?

just so i can.

(pst, ima go rogue anyway and not follow what u say soooo)

[Hiraki]

I GAVE VIG TO MOD.

BECAUSE I HAVE THAT.

ffs.

[Hiraki]

he's scum so it don't matter.

[Hiraki]

another neighbor of mine is down

also no internet access till Tuesday

Hmm.

[Hiraki]

So, you spoke of Bus Driving yesterday, did you do it Hiraki?
Since we have over a quarter of the town on V/LA based on the first few posts, I don't think there is any need to put down votes until they get back. Discussion is fine, and I would like to know what actions we have from yesterday. Obviously, Reck stated he Neighbored Amrun, I'd like to know what they talked about.

Yes. I bus drove myself with myself.(no)

[Hiraki]

Hmm.

3 Scum seems optimal, but I could see 2 scum in this setup with the basically confirmed SK.

Do I think Jason knows who Reck is going to neighborize? No.

So would reck be a good lynch.

eh. I usually have a town read on him when he's town and a murky read when he's not.

Vote: Reck

Best wagon for right now anyway.

[Hiraki]

Because perhaps you can't use your abilities as [enterrolehere] and therefore you can't use anyone alive to neighborize.

Don't pull out the "lol then why wouldn't I just not neighborize"

[Hiraki]

This is true.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki NOT using his Bus to save Amrun is VERY suspicious though. That seemed like an absolute no brainer to me.

This did not appear to me, unfortunately.

I'm being a bit stupid this game, as you may be able to see.

[Hiraki]

Bussing can get really screwy. Like I've said before, it's more scum oriented than town.

[Hiraki]

Dunno what to do here.

Unvote

I guess I understand why I'm being lynched but still it's a bit shameful for me.

Vote: Nero Cain

I still find that "no action" a bit sketchy.

[Hiraki]

='(

Goodbyes everyones.

Ima cry. I can't defends meself.

[Hiraki]

I'm pretty sure.

[Hiraki]

Yeah.

Something didn't click when cloak said "immune to all abilities".

For some reason I thought I'd come up innocent rather than nothing.

To be fair, that was a needed ability at that point even if it was something that didn't work out.

I kind of knew that winning this game would be one in a million, but whatever. It was fun.

[Hiraki]

TALI