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Sathoris wrote:A governor saving himself will only do so as anti-town unless his wagon is a scumfest, which in itself will also tell us something.
VOTE: PV
Death to tali.
Right, because if they are town they know they are town and since it is 1-shot anyway, using it on themselves would be uber-scummy.
I lost her on the suicide mission, cause I didn't take her side in the argument. But, at least I took Joker's advice and took pictures. heheh.-
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ShadowGuru wrote:-Toogeloo pushing the governor lynch while being universal backup is terribad
-Silent Wraith's blatant bandwagon and then attempting to pass it off as "RVS" is even worse to me.
Unvote Vote: Silent Wraith
Yeah, these are things people have already said, I know.
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Toogeloo wrote:I don't think you understand what Random is. You specifically chose nintendo, did you not? Did you go to Random.org, plug in a list, and it came up with nintendo for you?
I had a list of people's roles I didn't want scum to have, I chose Governor.
Christ, are we really having an argument over semantics of what constitutes a RVS vote and what doesn't? I guarantee you that I am not the only voter that chose something specific using it in the RVS as a way to get reads.
I don't think you understand RVS. Here, quoted from the Wiki:
"At the beginning of a game of Mafia, there is very little information to be had. As a result, initial votes are made with no substantial reasoning offered. These are often referred to as random votes.
While many random votes are based on the generation of a random number (by a die or some other oracle),they are just as often based on arbitrary factors, such as avatars, nicknames, or even other random votes."
Bolded for emphasis. Your caught, deal with it. Your AtE isn't gonna work. Oh, and striking a deal where we lynch you anyway? Are you just giving up to try to prove something? I smell a gambit, but it's not working.-
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Toogeloo wrote:I just told you, I had a list of roles I didn't want scum to have. I chose Governor from that list as my vote.
Yeah, I gotta hear this. Unless your lists includes every role in the game, you are gonna look mighty scummy. ANY PR in scum control is a bad thing, but if you're scum you wouldn't care about that would you?-
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Toogeloo wrote:Toogeloo wrote:I am willing to strike a deal right now with the entire town.
Lynch me today. If I flip town, tomorrow, no if ands or buts, you lynch Reck. I don't give a shit if a Cop scans him innocent. He dies.
Would love to hear responses to this.
nintendoaddict1 wrote:Oh, and striking a deal where we lynch you anyway? Are you just giving up to try to prove something? I smell a gambit, but it's not working.-
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Hiraki wrote:Toog is town.
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Other than that, Toog is mighty fine. His first vote is actually glorious.
Hiraki wrote:But that's the point.
Scum don't take these high risk maneuvers. They fit in with the crowd.Toog has done too many things that aren't good townie to allow me to see him as town.
Hiraki wrote:Ender, and probably Jason.
First you say Toog is town, then you don't see him as town, now you don't put him in your scumlist?-
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Hiraki wrote:The second is written incorrectly.
What I meant to say is that Toog has done too many things that have been noted to be scummy or radical. He hasn't fit in with the crowd, he's made himself stand out.
Can scum do this? Yes.
Are we lynching plausible scum who can do this on D1? No.
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jasonT1981 wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:jasonT1981 wrote:I think it is self evident what my last post meant.. you are both attempting to put words in my mouth.
Still not denying it. I'd vote you, but my vote is already on your partner.
Stop pushing something on something I didn't even say. You are now pushing a case of ' What you were thinking but didn't say in thread' which is complete BS. How do you know what I was or was not thinking.
Lets see...
I say It is not right to give a pass on a Newbie, even though I don't think he did anything scummy. I would not use the newbie card if I did think he was scummy as a way to explain it.
It gets majorly twisted to I was setting up a lynch tomorrow.
I say no... the case is now I was thinking it, and didn't deny it.
Its not up to me to deny it, it is now up to you as my accuser to prove I was thinking that.... can you do that? if not, then you have nothing. Your case is weak at best.
Pushing on something you didn't say? Exactly! You still haven't denied it being true. Three times now you have dodged this issue while redirecting to me. Never said I knew what you were or were not thinking, how's that for pushing something I didn't say? You're doing the same thing now.
It's not that I think you were setting up a lynch, but your refusal to deny that was what you were doing in the first place that makes you scummy.
Why is it not up to you to deny it? We are questioning YOU about something YOU did, yet, You will not answer unless we have evidence? How about dodging the issue here? Is that not enough evidence for you?-
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jasonT1981 wrote:Im not ignoring the post I just dont need to deny anything as I never even so much as implied it in the first place. what you are pushing is plain crap.
Its a null issue, close to a void issue and you seem intent on strawmanning it.
Please show any indication that I was thinking that I could be setting up tomorrows lynch. Can you? if not then I don't need to deny anything. Only if you could show indication of me thinking it can I then deny or confirm anything.
You know what you sound like right now? "I'm not saying if I set him up for a lynch... but I'm not saying if I didn't either."
You are deliberately withholding information that is CONSTANTLY being asked of you, for what? Cause you think it's a crap case. Wow. Of course scum would say that when they are shitting themselves. Any indication you were thinking of setting up lynches?
jasonT1981 wrote:It gets majorly twisted to I was setting up a lynch tomorrow.
I say no... the case is now I wasthinkingit, and didn't deny it.
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ShadowGuru wrote:Oh wow, now that I've actually taken the effort to put two-and-two together I realize that Hiraki/nintendo's beef with Jason is totally contrived and a blatant misrep.
Unvote Vote; Nintendo
Hiraki's is ewewewew but Nintendo is the one blowing the issue out of proportion and basically sheeping Hiraki. Maybe I'll make a more detailed explanation for this later, if I'm bored.
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You aren't seeing his contradiction. He said he was thinking of setting up the lynch, then later, asks me to find somewhere he said he was thinking of setting up the lynch. Check my last post.-
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jasonT1981 wrote:Nintendo, why have you ignored our posts proving you are misreppnig..especially the 'I actually said it' claim by you that has been proven wrong and why are you sticking so close to Hiraki? you really are sheeping him to the point I feel you could be trying to buddy him.
Oh, me? I'm not gonna answer your questions, I'm just gonna dodge around them.
Sound familiar? It's what you were doing. I haven't ignored them. See? I gave you an answer right there and you know what? It wasn't hard. I never said you said "I set up the lynch". Who's misrepping now?
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jasonT1981 wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote: I never said you said "I set up the lynch". Who's misrepping now?
Oh really?
nintendoaddict1 wrote: contradiction.He said he was thinking of setting up the lynch, then later, asks me to find somewhere he said he was thinking of setting up the lynch.Check my last post.
jasonT1981 wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:
jasonT1981 wrote:It gets majorly twisted to I was setting up a lynch tomorrow.
I say no... the case is now I wasthinkingit, and didn't deny it.
Out of your own mouth, no less.
Never said you set up the lynch. I said you were THINKING about it. And I've said this, what, three times now? Yet, you are still trying to say I said you WERE setting up the lynch, when all along I have been saying you were THINKING about it.-
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jasonT1981 wrote:again another nintendo misrep I believe. Read the FULL post/sentance. and stop quoting only part of it. He is saying that
With the OMGUS
The Bandwagonning
and also the other reasons
And with those reasons he can guarantee Marco is scum (I disagree) but this is another case of Nintendo trying to misrep to make someone look bad.
Or he could be badtown.
jason, why the hell did you make a second post saying the exact same thing? Your buddy is getting lynched today and you're not going to stop it.-
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jasonT1981 wrote:why did you not quote the full sentance?
Fine.
"I can guarantee he is scum, I called it first."
I don't see how the "I called it first" bit changes anything. It's easy to call scum when you are scum, cause when they flip you look pro-town, but it's all WIFOM.
Where's my case? Look back a few pages, it's there. I'm not about to waste my time explaining it to you again, only to have it fly right through your head.
And will you be freaking patient? Holy shit man, I'm so sorry that I can't post every damn second.-
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jasonT1981 wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:jasonT1981 wrote:I want it in words
So yes, please in your own words... I want to hear it in YOUR own words why I am scum,.
Well I didn't shove my hand in someone's ass and make someone ELSE say it, so yes, I'VE already said it, in MY words. If that's not good enough for you, then tough shit.
There is no case from you thats why. OK question.. is it the 'I wasn't denying it' and the 'I actually said it' stuff? from a few pages back
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jasonT1981 wrote:What is it about the explanations proving you wrong is it you still disagree with enough to peruse a case of lies and misreps.
I don't know if this is a statement, a question, or some new form of grammar.
P.Edit: *facepalm* too lazy to go back and read for yourself, eh? Why should I tell you what you said? You forget or something?-
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jasonT1981 wrote:Ive read back, I am asking you to show me right now what it is I said, or what I have lied about.
Why are you so reluctant to put point by point your case? If you gen believed I was scum, you would have no problem stating again why.
As for the comment, I am asking what is it about others who say you are wrong, and have disproven your BS on me that you disagree with... does that make sense,
Show you what you said? Like I said before, I quoted everything I wanted to quote already and to quote it again would just waste time.
Being reluctant? How about you being reluctant to just go back and re-read the last few pages? I do believe you are scum, I think you are just going to ignore whatever I say about you anyway so I'm saving you the trouble and time by just referring you to the last few pages.
They can say whatever the hell they want about me. Doesn't change what I think.
jasonT1981 wrote:he has been proven to be wrong, lying
Where have I lied?
GhostWriter wrote: His lack of willingness
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jasonT1981 wrote:Lie 1
nintendoaddict1 wrote:jasonT1981 wrote:Im not ignoring the post I just dont need to deny anything as I never even so much as implied it in the first place. what you are pushing is plain crap.
Its a null issue, close to a void issue and you seem intent on strawmanning it.
Please show any indication that I was thinking that I could be setting up tomorrows lynch. Can you? if not then I don't need to deny anything. Only if you could show indication of me thinking it can I then deny or confirm anything.
You know what you sound like right now? "I'm not saying if I set him up for a lynch... but I'm not saying if I didn't either."
You are deliberately withholding information that is CONSTANTLY being asked of you, for what? Cause you think it's a crap case. Wow. Of course scum would say that when they are shitting themselves. Any indication you were thinking of setting up lynches?
jasonT1981 wrote:It gets majorly twisted to I was setting up a lynch tomorrow.
I say no... the case is now I wasthinkingit, and didn't deny it.
Out of your own mouth, no less.
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nintendoaddict1 wrote:ShadowGuru wrote:Oh wow, now that I've actually taken the effort to put two-and-two together I realize that Hiraki/nintendo's beef with Jason is totally contrived and a blatant misrep.
Unvote Vote; Nintendo
Hiraki's is ewewewew but Nintendo is the one blowing the issue out of proportion and basically sheeping Hiraki. Maybe I'll make a more detailed explanation for this later, if I'm bored.
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You aren't seeing his contradiction. He said he was thinking of setting up the lynch, then later, asks me to find somewhere he said he was thinking of setting up the lynch. Check my last post.
there are more, I am sure you can look back
1. Fair enough, but those are not lies, but misreps.
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Sathoris wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:GhostWriter wrote:Nintendo, what is the scum intention of him bringing it up twice, then?
Cause he lied when he said he wouldn't talk about it anymore, that's why. He even said he was done with it AGAIN, so really he lied three times.
And that makes him scum?
Lynch this guy already..
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GhostWriter wrote:Lying for a gambit. Lying to protect your role. Lying on accident, because you tried to ignore someone flailing around, but you just couldn't because it was so scummy.
Myself and jason are accusing each other of lying. Here's what I get from you:
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jasonT1981 wrote:you flat out lied to make me look bad... that is the difference.
I said I was done, but then had more to say on the matter and had more questions for you as you did not let it go. Seriously.. quit pushing crap my way. IF someone continues to push a case on me after I said I was done, off course I am going to then reply.
Again, no. I later realized they were misreps and even said so, you need to be more precise in what you say. Yeah, you've said you were done many times, but never stuck to it. So, really, you meant "I'm done talking about this UNLESS someone else brings it up, then that makes it okay for me to go back on what I already said TWICE before."
jasonT1981 wrote:So anyway, if he thinks I am scum, and Toog is my partner... why is your vote on Ender, Nintendo? surely you would be voting me, or my partner. so why ender?
Wow. In a game this size, there is definitely more than TWO scum, so I think at least the three of you are scum with probably one more person. Just because I think you are scum, and my vote is on someone else, does not mean a thing.-
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marco1610 wrote:@Nintendo-Jason issue. So Nintendo misrepresented Jason and accused him (?). Then Jason pointed this out and Nintendo kept pushing that he didn't misrepresent Jason and has already stated all his reasons (which is a lie). Finally, Jason quoted Nintendo and Nintendo admitted that he misrepresented Jason. But what about the lies aboutnot misrepresentingJason. And yet, Nintendo keeps on calling Jason scum.
And Nintendo accuses Jason of lying because Jason said he was done with this argument and yet made another post about it.
After all this, Hiraki is calling Jason scum and not Nintendo.
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marco1610 wrote:Almost like mafia buddies trying to disassociate themselves with each other.
Me and Hiraki? Scumbuddies? That'd be the day. I honestly look forward to that, as I cannot even begin to comprehend how THAT would turn out. It would probably have some kind of end-of-days effect to it, a few million will die(including us), and let's just say you won't want to eat the fish. Ever. Anywhere.
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marco1610 wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:jasonT1981 wrote:Why is the Nintendo wagon not going to flip scum, In your opinion, Reck? he has admitted to lying and twisting to get a lynch.. that is scum, what town motivation is there for that?
I. Never. Lied. I said they were misreps. Now you are just misrepping what I said.
You DID lie before admitting they were misreps, IIRC.
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jasonT1981 wrote:/facepalm. someone want to explain to him that using false and made up information to push a lynch is lying? Also, you still need to address these.
jasonT1981 wrote:do you think it is ok to push BS on someone as long as you think they are scum then, facts dont actually matter
jasonT1981 wrote:Can you link me to games you have played with Hiraki as town please?
jasonT1981 wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:GhostWriter wrote:Lynch all liars? Really?
Okay, what is the town motivation for lying? Since you care so much about analyzing motivation?
OK, what is town motivation for pushing a case you know is nothing but Misreps, and then admitting to knowing it was but using it anyway to get someone lynched?
1. If it gets scum lynched, it gets scum lynched.
2. http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... =2&t=17230
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... =3&t=17488
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jasonT1981 wrote:OK, heres the million pound question.
If you are so sure I am scum, present your case on me now! seriously, I am actually begging you, please oh please post your case on me right now!!
Nah, cause all your going to do is call it a lie and a misrep so there's really no point. Also, since you're scum, why should I do ANYTHING for you?