Harry Potter: Oh the horror!! Game Over!!

[Tam]

Hmmm there look to be interesting game mechanics at work in this one.
Should prove great fun. The only thing I can tell for sure right now is that none of us has the role of Nearly Headless Nick.

Anyways,

random vote Flying Dutchman

[Tam]

Well, did you read the intro to Day 1? I'm taking it that since the mod took control of Nick for the whole intro, and that would be unfair to a player if he used their role to do that with, that none of us are Nick. But then, maybe I'm wrong...

[Tam]

Voldemort -was- the basilisk? Hmmm, I may be playing at a disadvantage since I've only seen the films. In the movie Voldemort was Tom Riddle and he controlled the basilisk...but I don't think he -was- the basilisk...is this a difference between the movie and book?

I personally think that it's most likely that the basilisk is a SK and Voldemort (in whatever form) is the GF with his little troop of Malfoys, etc...
As for Werebear-my take on his experience last night is that he was targetted to die and was blocked. It just seems to me to fit the best with his description of what happened.

[Tam]

i have a theory that if we stop theorising we might get somewhere

I agree..I think day 1 is too early for so much theorising...sure, good for a little, but we just don't have enough information to go on yet.

[Tam]

I, too had been thinking of voting Stewie, for the same reasons. It looked to me to be a blatant bandwagon-starting, for flimsy reasons..

Vote Stewie

[Tam]

Hmmm interesting. I'd missed this whole werewolf part by being a movie-goer and not a reader (yet)
Does sound cool though I believe the roleclaim, it seems to fit perfectly with his message to Snape...

Oh, and

unvote Flying Dutchman
vote Stewie

[Tam]

Actually, there was no crap logic. the only reason I

really

voted for werebear is to get a random bandwagon going, and i thought I made that clear.

No, it got made clear enough. This is my promary reason for voting you. The fact that it could have been mafia scum wanting to cover up whatever else Werebear may know/find out is just icing to make the choice easier for me.

[Tam]

Well, first I'd like to

unvote Stewie

as I think his roleclaim sounds well put together and not a spur of the moment type thing. I am starting to wonder about macros, though, he seems kinda scummy to me...

[Tam]

OK, nothing elaborate as I have been very busy lately, and don't have too much time home right now.

I think it's obvious that the basilisk is what got to shadyforce last night. I'm assuming that the basilisk is the SK, and voldemort has his minions as the mafia.

Hmm I do think that FD's reaction seemed a bit too hasty, but I believe him for the most part. I think the important thing to remember about these roleclaims that can be discredited by another character is that if that character has an important pro-town role, they are not likely to come out in the open yet.

Stewie I believe so far. I think the possibility that the twins are in the game is fairly high.

And can anyone tell me why we know there are 3 killing groups and why we are sure that the mafia is these 'deatheaters'? I guess I was just automatically thinking that the bad guys would be more like the Malfoys and the like.

[Tam]

I agree that Mrs. Sprout should be in this one, it fits. I don't think we really have any info to be worrying about how she's able to heal, etc. though. I also agree with Dasquian about Stewie. Mathcam, what is wrong with the idea of a SK with a weakness and a strength? I think that'd be refreshing. Mods should play around with the roles. Makes it more fun.

[Tam]

Oooooh, ok, I gotchya now. Emphasis on the 'limited'.

DS: I can' tbelieve you think we have a

limited

SK.

(Italics put in by me)

Thanks for the clarification. Makes perfect sense now.

[Tam]

I don't really understand why Bluesin's so suspicious. We need 12 to lynch and Macros has 4. We are nowhere near a lynching, and we have 2 more days to get someone, or it will go no-lynch. Now, we do have some time, so I would be suspicious of him had he thrown on the last vote or whatnot, and yes, I see he said he would, but at this point I find that to be more enthusiasm than anything scummy.
I dunno. Skimmed over a few pages to look back on a few things, and something struck me as odd. Macros saying that in all the characters from HP, he never thought that the Weasley twins would ever be in the game.

i never once consdiered them in all th epossibilities for characters in my head, the only thing leading me to beleive stewie is that its set in bogwarts, but then i dismiss that becasue practically all, and if you discount muggles, i'd nearly say ALL characters have been there at some stage.
im keeping my vote on stewie(if that is, i am voting for him, if not vote:stewie, conveniently no result on night one, and an alibi for a scum buddy if he needs it.
were i scum, a weasley other than ron would be on my list of possible claims.

I haven't sat down to do it yet (will tonight, if I get a chance) but when I make a list of all the characters possible in HP, I think that they'd be probably 10-15 down on my list. I can't imagine someone thinking a list of the 23 characters here, and not thinking of them. But then maybe that's me. It just seemed he was really after Stewie for it. I'm not sure on this one, it just kept nagging at me.

Very Late FOS Macros

[Tam]

I too will go ahead and change my FOS Macros to a

Vote Macros

. I think he is the scummiest.

[Tam]

Well, I would definitely say the twins come in far before the bogarts...but then I've only seen the movies and had no clue what a bogart was.
I do think that's a good point, though about his jumping on Stewie. Hmmm.

[Tam]

Yes, I'm not sure what Zoneace is thinking..I am torn on the Macros issue though. He seems really scummy, but I don't ever think it's good to lynch a cop-claimer, unless they've been disproved. Not sure what to do really, but there is a deadline...I'll just stay where I am. Oh, and Dasquian, please explain your last post? You lost me somewhere there *rubs her eyes and gets more coffee* maybe it's just me though.

[Tam]

Yeah. My choice got *kinda* messed up again. I just saw many people coming at different times, and the person staying in his/her room, but then the map changed.

<snipped by me>

Now, I don't see how this person can be scum, since he or she didn't leave his room. In fact, I have a few reasons to believe he was pro-town, but if anyone comes up with something interesting, I'll reveal.

Well, first I'd like to know what exactly you meant by 'many people coming at different times' and if you have any more info on that. Also, I'm not sure what your 'few reasons' to believe the person is innocent are, but based on the fact they stayed in their room I'm not convinced they're necessarily innocent. What about a godfather? looks innocent to cop roles and could very well explain many visitors to their room. (This is my assuming that that's what you meant.)
Anyhow, back to my coffee, just musing.

[Tam]

Yeah, I'm just not currently buying the Macros argument. There's some suspicion, certainly, but not enough to make me want to go after him (again). Plus, consider this: It's quite likely a cop would have investigated Macros last night, and probably would have come out if he were guilty. So not a strong for his innocence, but another one, and the more we have, the more it can't be the right play to go after him.

Cam

I'm not thinking a cop would risk their neck to come out and say he's guilty. If it were me, I'd just push for his lynching. I think that'd be a silly thing for a cop to do- roleclaim on Day 2 to get one baddie...Also, I'm having trouble deciphering the second hald of your post, mathcam.

Anyhow, I'm left with the bad feeling that he can't be innocent though, unless he has some night protection noone's told us about, for the same reasons stated before. That role's too tempting for mafia to kill off if he is innocent.

[Tam]

Wait, i thought we agreed that the mafia killed the basilisk. which would mean that the mafia could kill. Now im confused.

We did? I think some people agreed that it may be, but it's far from -fact- you know. Bah, of course, I'm probably not the best one to argue, since I'm still not sure why everyone thinks that scene means the mafia are students. Based on my role..I dunno, could go either way, really. I mean, mine doesn't suggest one or the other.
Not that this is life-threatening or anything, but going over the last few pages Werebear reminded me about this. I don't get why people jumped on Werebear for saying she'd seen Voldemort the first night. It says in the first scene that he's expected at Hogwarts...

"Nothing much...other than the DarkLord apparently proclaiming his dominion over the known world, magical and otherwise. It's claimed that he said he shall be arriving soon in Hogwarts to personally deal with Dumbledore.

So again, he could have actually been there and Were was spared. Which would go back to macros making up the story and claiming he caused it. And also makes me wonder even more why the mafia is thought to be students...bah, and I'm still undecided as to what to do with macros.

[Tam]

Hmmm, well, the first thing I thought of was the GF having his meeting in his room with the other baddies, but I guess it could be a mason group, too. We've already got a mason group, thoth? I missed that one, if so. (or need a lot more coffee) I think Bananabob's got a good point. We are not going to get any -more- info today, best to just lynch one of them and that being said, I think mathcam is the better choice of the two, just because if he is innocent, we can look at macros more closely...bah, i dunno, undecided for now still

[Tam]

Sorry if that seemed odd mathcam, it wasn't intended to be like that. I meant that both seem suspicious, and you make a slightly better choice maybe for information purposes.

And i don't count them as a mason group, we've already seen a few 'paired roles'. I thought you meant a proper mason group. I consider them a cop team. And even if you do think of them that way, that doesn't fit in with his info being 'a group of people come in' and you discounted it. You are talking about two people. His sounded like more - ie- a real mason group.

[Tam]

fos tam for agreeinf with bob's completely insane logic as well. more later when im back from my farmer like chores, and finished my revision (exams tomorrow and wed, w00t)

It wouldn't be completely insane if you had the info I did. Especially if you all think the students are mafia.

I've got a hunch about both of them, but I'm confused by Tam's readiness to dismiss the student-mafia idea.

Odd, I don't think I've totally dismissed the theory...in fact I've simply stated that with my role it could go either way, and asked you guys to clarify a few times now why it is that you are -so certain- that it is the students. (Thanks for finally giving me a semi-good answer for this, too.)

This poor game has been at a standstill for days and days. I think it says something that people have sat around, wishy washy over macros for so long, stalling, then as soon as I give out something that looks slightly suspicious, the two of you jumped on me in very little time at all.

True, but as Stewie claimed mason I assumed his role said mason. If that's not the case then we may have a real mason group out there.

OK, let me put it this way, if Stewie's considered a mason, then I am as well. I think this game is built around having teams of two's that know each other. Now, I'm not going to reveal my counterpart, but when/if I die, it should be fairly easy to figure out what

character

I teamed up with. We are neither students nor teachers, (nor baddies), but we do get info each night in a cooperative manner, just like Stewie says that his team does.
Coincidentally, if you guys are so ready to name the mafia a student group, doesn't that make stewie mafia? I don't understand the reasoning behind much of what you guys have come up with. It worries me that we don't know what the mafia consist of yet, and if my death will help that info along, so be it.

It may seem more sensible to lynch macros over mathcam to you guys for info, but it really doesn't to me. Lynching mathcam will tell us what the mafia group is made of, almost undoubtedly. No, I don't know that mathcam is guilty, but I do know enough to be able to all but guarantee this outcome.

I realise I screwed up this morning by jumping on BananaBob's idea so fast, and I may get lynched for it, but there it is. I saw him mention lynching mathcam first, and it seemed to be my window. I'm really sick of watching this game thread just go around in circles. This has all been "I wonder if macros is guilty" "Gee, I don't know. It's hard to tell. What do you think?" "I don't know. He could be." If I do get lynched, I will give all my info first, and at least you will know a little about a few people.

[Tam]

That's quite alright, Coolbot. You are also the first one to jump on me for seeming slightly suspicious in one post, so when I die, they'll look your way.

(And no, this is not that silly mafia tactic, "don't lynch me! You'll be sorry!" Though, I know good and well, you'll all believe it is up until my death. I'm quite willing to sacrifice myself if that brings the baddies out in the open.)

And for the record, I don't know what to make of my info, it is definitely not guiding me anywhere. The fact that

you guys

think the students are mafia, though, may mean it helps you. I am, of course, clueless. (except to the lynching post, apparently) The only real bit of info I have is that mathcam is related to the students, not the teachers. (Unless there are more of his type in the books than I know of from the movies.)

If I get close to a lynch, I'll reveal exactly what I mean, but not for 2 votes, sorry.

[Tam]

Hold on, you have information implicating mathcam? Is there a reason why you're not telling us what it is, since you've claimed an information role? Or have I totally misread your post?

No, I don't know if mathcam is guilty or innocent, but I know which side of the teacher/student side he's on. My saying that I can't be 100% sure is because basically, I know what he

is

, and I only know of one such...creature..in HP. If there are more of them in the books, then I could be wrong about his alignment. Yes, I have an info role. My role seems to follow along the lines of stewie's claims, which is why i believe stewie about his role. (Little things like only one half of the team getting the info each night. In my team, I decide who to target, and my little buddy gets the info. We investigated mathcam on night 1, and I only got the info back last night.) My theory on this game being set up with teams of twos, comes from not only this, but the nature of what I am sure is mathcam's role. His role can't be in basically, without the other supporting part. Hmmm, beginning to wonder if I shouldn't just tell what he is. I don't think it's that big of a deal. (unless you guys are right and it's a student mafia, in which case mathcam's guilty.)

TAm claims to have a bunch of info but hasnt revealed anything that we havent already discussed so

No, I claim to have 1 bit of info, not 'a bunch' (will have 2 bits tonight) and that info is not something you guys discussed. All I know is what type of creature mathcam is.

[Tam]

OK, I screwed up. I'm sorry, mathcam (though, I, like God, am scared to hell and back of spiders.) It's not who i thought you were.
The only way to explain why I thought this is to roleclaim, I'm afraid. I won't out my partner, but I can't see any way to get around it for me...well, maybe I won't have to claim totally, but explain a bit of how my info is relayed. (You'll probably figure the role by that anyhow, though, tbh)

The other half of my team is feline. My kitty came back after night 1 and says that mathcam is neither student nor teacher, but looks yummy to her (except that he's too big) Also, she said that Crookshanks recommended eating this type of creature to my cat. Now I had no clue who Crookshanks was, and googled him. All i got back was numerous accounts of this cat chasing down Scabbers the rat over and over and over.

I therefore was sure that mathcam was a rat, and the only rat I knew of from HP was Scabbers. That making him half of a team on the student 'side' of things.

I apologise profusely to my partner, for letting it all hang out.

The moral of the story, ladies and gentlemen?
Don't post before coffee.

[Tam]

*looks even more lively than FD*

I may not be able to check the thread as much the next few days, as my daughter has pneumonia but I will check it at least once a day, and I seriously doubt it'll hamper my posting much as she's sleeping a good bit. Just wanted to let yall know in case I 'mysteriously disappear' or something.

Oh, and yes, I know, it's fairly obvious that I'm Filch, but I felt it necessary to explain why I was so off-base with mathcam's role. *kicks her cat for being vague and confusing* Coincidentally, this is why I stated earlier that based on my role, I couldn't tell whether the mafia were meant to be students or not. While Filch does seem to really have it in for the students, he is also an old grump who seems to not like anyone really. Obviously I know I'm a good guy, but also am neither student nor teacher, but really an oddball role (in that it fits no category that I can think of.)

[Tam]

Sorry if I didn't make this clear-
I pick the target to investigate one night, my cat friend gets the results at dawn, and I don't get them from kitty til the following night. So night 1 we picked mathcam, and night 2 kitty told me my results and we picked a new target for kitty, which i won't get results on til tonight.
So yes, a very weak cop role. Especially since my info seems to come to me slightly skewed by a feline mind. I wouldn't be surprised if all my results come back as variations on how yummy a target is

Macros, isn't Scabbers Ron's rat?

[Tam]

As I've told the mechanics twice now, the last time quite clearly (I think, anyhow) I'm going to refer you, modargo, to my last post.

OK, zoneace, thanks, now i get why...hmmm haven't made that movie yet...coming this summer, I believe

[Tam]

*sighs*

Yes, I know who my cat is. Yes, he's a player.

I apologise if it -still- wasn't as clear as I thought it was.
He gets results the same night, I have to wait til the next day to see what he was told, unless we resort to speaking in-thread.

[Tam]

*shuffles away from the giant spider and hides behind her kitty*

Yep, I thought it was cute too.

[Tam]

Yes, BananaBob is my kitty. I didn't want to oust him, but that was why I sighed at the beginning of my second to last post. You guys voted him twice right before that.

And bluesin, you did in fact read wrong, sorry. I assumed <1> mathcam was Scabbers, and made a huge mess out of everything yesterday. I believe mathcam's roleclaim, based on my info it could fit as well. (I am assuming that everyone agrees that it fits with the Crookshanks thing.)

Sorry BB, I really screwed up and got us both roleclaimed and out in the open. I honestly didn't see any way around it though. Hopefully the baddies will realise that we are the least of their worries.

Now I wonder if it'd be beneficial to post what your investigation last night brought up...I've no clue if we'll die tonight or what...and I couldn't make out the answer based on your post. *blames her blonde roots*

<1> Hey gang! We all know what

ass

uming does, now, don't we?

[Tam]

Well thankyou. Coming from one of the people I forced a roleclaim from, that actually makes me feel a lot better.
(even if you are hairy with 3+5 legs)

*shudders and goes to phone her mommy*

[Tam]

And he not only has 8 legs, but also thousands of children all larger than a rat .

Thanks for that, thoth. I'll try my damnedest to forget that over the course of my day today before I go to sleep tonight.

[Tam]

Cats eat spiders, ewww thats just gross (thanx for telling me this unwanted fact)

Here kitty kitty...it's dindin time!

OK, can anyone who is a little less clueless in this game as to what the hell's going on make some sort of synopsis? Or list of who we have been wondering about?
We really can't go no-lynch again guys, *eyeballs the mod a bit* and I don't think he'll wait much longer before deadlining us again.

Since he seems to be the one foremost in suspicion, I think we need everyone to post saying whether they believe macros or not, and why....maybe that will help?
Personally, I am looking at Coolbot right now. His voting pattern and attitude towards me left a bad taste in my mouth. I found him all too eager to jump on a townie. Dasquian I'm not sure on yet, though he was really quick to jump on me too. (That could very well have been just because I actually looked a little suspicious.) He just didn't strike me the same way as Coolbot did...

[Tam]

These are all very valid points for not lynching macros. I think we should move on.

Does anyone have the time to look back and hunt for lurkers, making a list to urge them out in the open? I'm at work and haven't much time to dwell here, but it seems to me that not all 23(?) people have been active.

[Tam]

OK, in the interests of getting something going, and because it's the only -really- suspicious behavior i see at the moment...

vote morpheus

It took you exactly 5 minutes to post after I called for the lurkers, which tells me you've been watching the thread, just not posting to it.
Your last post, a 1-liner, was on the 22nd, and the one before on

the 5th

. I did notice, while going over your posts, that you've been quite active in a number of other games, even to the point of posting more than 1-2 sentences per post and contributing to them. Here, even when you have posted it seems to only be to agree or disagree with others, not to really contribute in any way.
While I'm still a little wary of Coolbot, I am going with you. I think you are the classic mafia lurker.

[Tam]

Well, my vote stays. I looked up his profile, and he posts plenty to a handful of other games, not just one newbie game. He also posts more than 2-3 sentences a piece on them. I stand by my theory that he's lurking. Unless someone can tell me that they've played with him before a few times and he really doesn't normally post his own thoughts much, I don't buy it. It's a very easy thing to go back and check posts, and I urge people to do that themselves and make up their own minds. You don't have to trust my word that he seems highly active in other games, or his word that he isn't any more active elsewhere....go look for yourself. I just can't see him being anything other than a lurker with gaps as big as 17 days between posts, and those posts being 1-2 lines long, with no input at all. *shrugs*

(and BB-I doubt unvoting him will encourage him to post more. Seems a bit backwards to me.)

[Tam]

Like I said, if someone can tell me that, I'll back off. (No offense, morpheus, but you don't count.) I'm not interested in lynching an innocent, I just think it's the most suspicious thing we have right now. But if it's simply playing style, and a few people can back that up, I'll retrieve my vote as well.

[Tam]

While I see morpheus' point about bluesin, I also have to agree with bluesin that it does look a bit like he's trying to cast suspicion elsewhere. But then, I would probably do the same thing if close to a lynching-try and find someone else that looks genuinely suspicious and bring it up...so...i dunno. Either way, I still think morpheus is the best bet for today, and am keeping my vote there for the time being. I don't see anything suspicious enough to make me move it yet.

[Tam]

I agree with all the stuff about it being a ballsy claim unless he's the real Ron. But then, there have been mods to give out info like that to the mafia as well. Both valid points...hmmm but then again, weren't you guys thinking before that the mafia were the students? Maybe they are, and he's hoping we've forgotten that idea...I dunno.

[Tam]

Yeah, it should have been the deciding vote, mathcam, only our mod isn't counting Macros' vote as he transposed two letters in morpheus' name.
We'll have to be more careful when voting. He's strict on that stuff. (as well he should be, imo.)

Goodnight Town!

[Tam]

Hmm my bad then. I just saw that we thought it was at 10 votes, and he posted 9 votes with a remark about misspelling. So I assumed it was the missing vote. Didn't bother to look and see if he was counted.

[Tam]

Hmmmm, funnily enough, my little team investigated Dasquian the night before last, and so i got the results last night, and we were blocked.

Anyone want to own up to that, or was it a sort of defense at night for Dasquian? This will be very interesting to get the answer to, really. (This would mean someone had blocked BananaBob, not last night, but night 2.)

*grumbles* meanie stepped on my kitty's tail, too! how roooood!

I'm in no rush, and only think I get why everyone is voting Dasquian. (I take it Macros investigated him and there's no way he could be a good guy? wormtail is not familiar to me

I'll wait to see what he says before throwing my vote on.

Also, Mr Gnome It All- why rule out the students suddenly? Hermione is well known to be able to pull off high level spells.

And what does everyone think about Ron's death scene? It sounded a bit like he was a baddie to me, but I can't really tell for sure.

[Tam]

Well, Fawkes could fear Sirius. After all Sirius can turn into a really big dog who could eat Fawkes in one bite... But I'm not sure.

Well, then so could any smaller creature. How about, can anyone think of what would be the phoenix's

worst fear?

There are many things each of us 'could' fear, but we are looking for the most feared.

While I see that my kitten has all but confirmed macros being a boggart, and yes, we did investigate him last night, but...weren't all of you thinking that a boggart would be a baddie? I still am slightly confused as to how macros has lived through this whole thing. I haven't read the books, but was under the impression that a boggart was evil and really, I can't figure why he's still alive.

If you were mafia and he honestly could tell everyone your worst fear, why would you not kill him straight off?

Also, I find Dasquian's roleclaim pretty believable. If there were a normal doctor (not Sprout with the stoned guys) then can anyone think of a character more likely to be it? I can't offhand.

I am going to

Vote Macros

for now. In short, I call bullshit. :p
I just think he's lived way too long for someone such a high threat to the baddies. And I think it's damned near comical the way he claimed his evil role and still managed to convince the town that he's a good guy.

Even if he is good, what good has he done? No offense macros, but you've either blocked innocents or been blocked every night. (hmmm how many blockers are there? without time to look back--did neville block him?)

If nothing else, and this may sound harsh, but if nothing else, lynching macros will tell us more than lynching Dasquian.

[Tam]

Also, I think we should pay attention to all the flippant voters for Dasquian who are voting with no reason, and adding on the last votes before everyone's had a chance to speak. (I haven't counted posts yet, but I'm sure not everyone has spoken yet.)

OMGUS people. Don't end the day before some get a chance to talk. That's just wrong.

[Tam]

to avoid quotinbg the mod i'll paraphrase what happened me:
i was leaving my cupboard, i felt a terrible chill, nothing to do with the christmas air apparently. i heard a rattling breath. i had no iddea how to deal with this, chickened out, ran back to said cupboard.
i wasnt sure if this was my move on cam, or i was blocked, i assume now it means i was blocked by a dementor. i can't see dementors working for anyone but Voldemort. Why they chose to block me i dont know, they must have feared my semi cop aspect.

Well, I've looked back and found on page 18 where macros claims to have been blocked. According to him, it was either mathcam being a dementor, (which is impossible, unless my cat has very, very odd tastes), or he was blocked by someone specifically -not- neville, a dementor. With him being a blocking role, too, this makes 3 blocking roles

that we know of.

I, for one, think that's a bit much.

*shrugs* I dunno. I'm wholly unconvinced by Macros. Sure he was a lynch target a while back, but has been taken at face value ever since and when the mafia realised he isn't about to be lynched, they'd surely have killed him themselves. I just really don't trust him. Especially the way he started the day off like that, then -conveniently- had to go away for most of the week.

Oh, and seeing the posts written while I am writing this one-

mathcam

--Werebear was scared by macros when blocked/investigated by him, right? I'm assuming his target would have to know that they'd had the life scared out of them.

Mr_Gnome_It_All

-- Could be possible, but I am still wholly unconvinced by macros altogether. I'm not sure the game mechanics would work quite that way, but it would be an interesting twist, to say the least. (and hey, our mod seems to like leaving us mostly clueless)

[Tam]

Hmmmm, he's said he won't be back until Thursday...but I guess it's only fair...I dunno

[Tam]

Vote: Dasquian

and

FoS: Zoneace

. I don't buy it. I wouldn't be so quick to vote if Filch and Mrs. Norris weren't backing this bandwagon up. Fawkes is defintely not of "Indistinct shape".

I am most definitely

NOT

backing this bandwagon up. BananaBob may be, but I think it's a matter of difference of opinion. He's backing it because his results confirm that Macros is most likely a boggart, whereas that is a good reason to me why he should be lynched instead.

I'm not sure if you actually read my posts today, or if this was just an honest mistake or what, but please don't misquote me. I am very against Dasquian's bandwagon, if for no other reason, because I believe his story over Macros'.

Oddly enough, I was quite sure you would vote for him, too. If macros is lynched it implicates you in a way, too, doesn't it?

[Tam]

Also, out of curiosity Werebear, where did you get that Fawkes would be of 'indistinct shape'? (or rather that that was an issue at all) It's macros that we investigated and found that out about, not Dasquian.

Gnome- I respect that, and wasn't attacking you for wanting time for macros to rebut, I'm just a bit wary of Werebear's post. Yours I totally understand. Sorry if my post confused you. My only problem with waiting for macros, in my opinion, is that people seem to want to keep Dasquian so close to a lynch that we may not have time to wait for him without lynching Dasquian. But then I guess Dasquian's death would tell us a lot too. Like who

really

wanted the doctor dead (or, if I'm totally wrong about the situation, and he's bad, it'll tell us we should trust macros.)

The way I see it, we either lynch a claimed blocker or a claimed doctor. Either way, we'll know whether the other is good or bad. But personally, I'd rather lose the blocker. Bah, that was too confusing...lemme summarise-

If we lynch Dasquian- he's either -a baddie (yay!) or our doctor (erk) and will know if Macros is good or bad based on the result.

If we lynch Macros- he's either - a baddie (yay!) or one of our blockers (oh well, we have a few more out there, right?) and will, in turn, know if Dasquian is good or bad based on the result.

Anyhow, I'll let it lie for a bit. I just really think the baddies can use this to there -great- advantage.

[Tam]

Why would Macros come out after winning some of our trust and lie now? It could very well spell death for him. It would be pointless for him to have come out because he'd die if desquian was innocent.

And the same would prove just as stupid for Dasquian. Either way, we'll find the one we lynch to be good or bad, and will know automatically about the other. (I just still feel it's a better bet to lynch the roleblocker than the doctor)

I believe Dasquian, as he's claimed very reasonable night choices. We, too picked mathcam to investigate night 1, as he's a top player.

Oh, and thanks for protecting my sweet kitty. I was very sure that he was toast last night, and happily surprised this morning when he wasn't. Though if we're down to one killing party, he didn't get attacked anyhow.

[Tam]

I'm not sure what he could say either, without changing his story about things. But, I respect those that want to wait and give him the chance, at any rate. *shrugs* only one more day... *twiddles her thumbs*

*chews on the Cake That Never Was*
mmmmmmmm yummy!

[Tam]

Hmmm, yeah. I seriously doubt they're both good guys. One of them

has to be lying.

Period.

To me, (aside from the fact that i think macros is full of it), it is mainly a matter of- Do we lynch the claimed blocker and have that chance of going 'oops' if he's innocent, or do we lynch the claimed doctor and have the chance of going' oh damn!' if he's innocent...

As you said, mathcam , i just really can't picture them both being good. It just doesn't seem possible at all.

[Tam]

The one explanation I could think of is some kind of target-switcher, and Macros got somebody else's fear instead of Das's. If such a role exists, then Macros would make a good target precisely because of what's happening today....and we might end up lynching both of them because of it.

Cam

Wooo, you know, I hadn't thought of that possibility...a target switcher...even along the same lines as Gnome's idea, it would mess up macros' results.

[Tam]

ok, not to interrupt the book club, but as it's 9:30 pm here, therefore about 3:30 am over there, (I think) I take it that Macros isn't showing up...

*sighs* and then of course we'll have the weekend, and another great excuse not to post...

Mafia Weekends Suck!

*flops a bit*

PS-I agree with Werebear about the book stuffs. As long as the newer author published it, they have rights...though, technically, Rowling had the rights to begin with...so argghhh! I dunno, my brain hurts! Too much buttery movie theater popcorn! (Yummmmm)

[Tam]

BB-
It seems before we were getting like 3 lines about someone...did you get any other info about him at all? or just that he is neither student nor teacher, and of indistinct shape? (Don't directly quote, of course, as you'll be modkilled, but just wondering if there's any other little bit that may make sense to someone else that maybe you overlooked? (Since the both of us seem a bit clueless on the book versions)

[Tam]

If we have nothing more to go on, I think we should just lynch the more suspicous one, which is Dasquain. I find it easier to believe mafia would make up the Pheonix rather than a bloggart.

vote: Dasquian

Hehe, spoken like true scum - Let's just forget waiting for more info and lynch the guy who says he's the doctor as opposed to the one who says he's our 50th blocker!

I forget who, but someone pointed out the fact that Dasquian has claimed a single role, one which cannot be duplicated, while Macros has claimed one that he can weasle out of if someone else pipes up and says 'hey! i'm a boggart!' as there are more than one of these. I also still would like to know why he hasn't died. Of all the roleclaims, I find his is definitely the most threatening to the mafia, and he really hasn't been close to lynching lately because noone's challenged him.

Coolbot, I have been watching you for a while now. Every time you post, you make me think 'scum'. My suspicions so far are basically, these three-
Macros, Werebear, and Coolbot.
Just watching WB and CB's voting patterns is enough to make me suspicious. Though, at this point, if Dasquian hadn't claimed doctor, I'd be ready to lynch him just to see if I am right about WB and CB, and the way they voted today.

(bah, I am so sure on this and so vocal, I'll die of shame if it ends up wrong, but hey...what can i say?)

[Tam]

I don't know, mathcam. Maybe because the more he does it, the more everyone goes 'why would he possibly do that?' and takes him at face value even more. That's kinda my point.

Uggg, Gnome, I admit, I had totally forgotten about the snape thing...but then, who was it that claimed to be the werewolf? (Flying Dutchman? hmmm) I may very well be wrong on WB, it was the way he voted for Dasquian (just after he claimed doctor) and claiming that I was backing the bandwagon as well...then as soon as I called him on it, he unvoted Dasquian...which was doubly odd because I didn't see any new info between the vote and unvote, only that I said I'd expected WB to vote him...to me this was highly suspicious...but on the Snape part, I have no clue...

[Tam]

Let's be clear; only one person has claimed roleblocker. We've only deduced the existance of the other two.

Methinks you should reconsider siding on his side, if you don't believe his roleclaim, Coolbot. One of the two 'supposed' roleblockers you mention here is Macros. (Unless I've read this wrong and you are claiming that Neville is a supposed...and I know Neville is out there. He stepped on my poor kitten's tail.)
IF Macros is indeed really a roleblocker, which I don't totally doubt (I only really doubt totally his alignment) then that makes two confirmed roleblockers, and it's Macros himself who claims to have been blocked by the third.

So, in a nutshell, you either believe Macros, and his claims, and -must- believe in the 3 roleblockers, or, you don't believe him and can work out for yourself whether we have 2 more on top of Neville.

[Tam]

Sorry to doublepost, but I forgot this bit...

Tam... any more malarky, and it'll be remedial potions for you.

Sorry, WB, I did (and still do sorta) find your voting thing suspicious, but I'll concede for now, based on the Snape stuff...I admit that it's highly likely that I was wrong, since you haven't been challenged on that. (Or, you and FD are both baddies and had a brilliant plan for keeping out of harm's way, but I honestly can't believe that there's no Snape in this game, so..bah)

[Tam]

I am not sure what else to say, except that I still think that Macros is lying. I think Dasquian makes a lot more sense, and if nothing else, I still hold by my reasoning that we should lynch one of the roleblockers (especially as I believe him to be an evil roleblocker-the counter of Neville's role) rather than lynch the doctor, and if we're wrong we can always go for Dasquian tomorrow. At worst, we lose 1 townie-who was only causing confusion anyhow, as we now suspect his results may be tampered with...at best we keep our doctor and get a baddie in 1 lynch.

Something just occured to me- Has there been any sign of this 'dementor' blocker to anyone else other than macros? I can't recall there being anyone else who claimed to have been blocked by the dementor thing...and it really makes more sense to me to have 2 blockers, 1 pro-town and 1 pro-mafia, (neville and macros) instead of 3...so what about the idea that he made that entire thing up, not just to explain the lack of a block that night, but to make it seem like there was another blocker, one who was bad, to make him look less bad? So we would sit around thinking 'hmmmm how can we have 1 good blocker and 2 bad ones?'

Now, that makes perfect sense in my head, but I'm not sure I got it out just right...

And BB- thanks for clarifying that for me. I just wanted to make sure, since we seem rather lost on the book part of the game.

[Tam]

Why would Macros make up a third blocker anyway? I think it's likely someone who targeted him is afraid of dementors. I don't think it's that much of a stretch for a bloggart to turn into the fear of anyone blocking him.

You've lost me here. Macros did not claim that he turned into the dementor, just that he was attacked by one...or felt the chill of one, or something...he never claimed to have turned into it. This makes it a blocker, not part of his role.

And Gnome- I don't doubt he is a boggart...but why assume he's innocent? I am not up on the books, but weren't you all saying that boggarts are bad? I think he's simply made a very ballsy move and been quite lucky with the results.

[Tam]

Go back and re-read claims. Macros and Dasquian. Macros claimed something that no mafia would want to claim, and he did it with backup. Dasquian claimed something a mafia would totally want to claim, and did it poorly. *shrug*

If it's all that clear-cut WB, why did you unvote dasquian so fast? You sound awfully sure for someone who unvoted that fast and then left your vote off.

I don't need to go back and reread claims. Why don't you go back and reread my posts? The claims are a big part of my point. I think he's tricked you all by *claiming a role that no baddie would want to*. He's double bluffed you. What backup is this that you cite here anyhow? Just the fact that he's blocked people? A baddie can be a blocker too.

I dunno, I just think that of the very few people who are actually talking about this, you all seem so sure in your words, but so undecided in your votes. If you feel that strongly that he's scum and macros is an angel, then lynch Dasquian. Raise up an argument in macros' favor. Bake a cake. Hell, I don't care.

Just do something.

I may be way off-base with this, but I see no others coming forward with better alternatives than these. We lynch one and hope for the best. If you think it's a better bet to lynch someone whose claimed doctor over someone whose claimed to be the 50th roleblocker, go for it.

I am sick of arguing the point while the majority of the town sit around not doing anything. The only people who pay attention to it have heard it and are surely as sick of hearing it as I am of saying it.

So, the defense rests.

[Tam]

Vote: Dasquian

I've seen enough, I wasn't convinced of his guilt, I'm still not, but I think this is the best thing to do at the moment..........

How odd. I take it this is peer pressure, at it's finest, since in your last post you said that macros is lying. (I know BB isn't, he's my cat, and has no reason to lie.) I don't necessarily agree with the logic you used in the last post, but it worries me when people say 'i know this guy's lying, and i'm not convinced this other guy's bad, but i'll vote that second guy anyhow.' Especially when you're basically saying that you think das may well be our doctor, but what the hell! let's kill him.

(This bit isn't to FD in particular, but a few people who I'm sure know I'm meaning them.) I realise he's going down now, but gods, people. At least have the balls to speak for yourself and not just follow what the top players do.That's just sad. Hell, I may be proved wrong, but at least I had the gumption to state my opinion instead of sitting around waiting for someone to come lead me to theirs.

[Tam]

i tihnk we have ourselves a scum ~crosses fingers~

Awww bless. Suddenly you 'think'. It occurred to me earlier that even if he's innocent, you can still come back and claim that your results went wrong. (Like that you turned into a dog because my cat was near you.)

I certainly hope I was wrong.

[Tam]

Hmmm, well, I was wrong. But, I knew I could be, I just thought it highly dumb to pick the claimed doc over the claimed roleblocker. I have a hard time picking out the good guys from the bad in the death scenes. Are we sure that macros was good? I had no doubt that he was telling the truth about being a boggart. Hell, my cat confirmed that much. I just thought that character was a baddie and that we had far too many roleblocking roles.

I take it that the dementor was definitely bad, but I had thought Sprout was good, why does it say she was a meglomaniac and such in the death scene? That made me think she was bad after all, like a mad scientist or summat. But I can't really picture her as bad...

Zoneace came up as a staff? Hmmmm any of you have any ideas as to what staff that may be? I don't recall one from the movies.

[Tam]

Doh, I thought he meant a staff, like a wizard's staff ...umm..through the whole thing, BB, we've been told "suchandsuch is

not a teacher, nor a student

..." so I didn't catch on since the results said 'staff' this time...I wonder why? Does that mean he's part of the staff, but

not

a teacher? Like me or Hagrid?

[Tam]

actually, BB, tell me this. How is it worded? Because the way you worded it 'I got that he was

a staff

.' would mean a wizard's staff type thing. If it said he was staff, or he was a staff member, that would mean he's someone who works for the school. Looking back, I see why I took it to mean he was a bit of wood now. It's all in the wording.

Coincidentally, IF the mafia are Harry and his friends, which looks possible, since morpheus was bad, Hagrid could well be a baddie too. He helps them out a lot, even when not meaning to. (Could maybe be a traitor role, even) And, if the result said he was a staff member, but didn't say teacher like it has in all the others, I'm betting it's one of the side jobs, and he's the only other one that *I* know of, aside from me.

[Tam]

Tam, unfortunately it doesn't say he is part of the staff, or he is a staff. It just says he appears to be staff (????)

Right. Then my guess is with Hagrid, or someone similar. Not a teacher, but working at the school. Thanks for clarifying.

[Tam]

4. I've already claimed my role and have pretty much proved myself with it, also I have a partner that can support that.

Yes. Barking up the wrong tree with that one. He's my not-so-fluffy kitten.
I'm not voting until we hear from Zoneace.

[Tam]

OK wait. I'm lost. If you're Hagrid, then who is Zoneace? I was sure he had claimed Hagrid, more or less....hmmmm

Who else would be staff, but not a teacher?

[Tam]

OK, forgot to add earlier, I am going to be away for probably at least 24 hours. My man is coming back into town today and I get to go pick him up from the airport soon. *bounces excitedly*

[Tam]

The story just doesn't add up. I feel fairly confident about throwing on vote #7 of 8. But, I want to be fair and give him a chance to talk first. So, I'll wait. But, I really doubt there's much he can say to change my mind.

Huh? But I'm not going anywhere...ohhhh, him. Okay.

Cam

p.s. Bush or Tictacs is hilarious.

That whole site is really funny, but you *really, really* can't be a sensitive person about PC type things. The author really has a graphic and often obscene viewpoint on things. So, you really need a good sense of humor to truly enjoy his stuff. (Along with the ability to laugh at yourself and *everyone* else.)

[Tam]

OK, the pm was received almost 5 hours ago.

Vote bloojay

and goodnight all!

[Tam]

Hmmm, I don't know that I totally believe Fletcher's bathroom story. Though it does sound like classic Neville form.

Also, it's just struck me how powerful FD's role is. He's basically invincible now? Is there any way that he could be a baddie and Snape was supposed to give him the medicine as a townie disabling a sk/mafia? We've kinda just taken for granted that he isn't bad, but I dunno. It does sound kinda farfetched, I guess.

[Tam]

It's something to keep in mind, Tam, but I think it's a small possiblity. I think it's fine to consider Dutch as an innocent, but later we may want to reevaluate him.

Exactly.

About Fletcher's claim, in my opinion, BB, that is very likely something Neville would do. He stepped on your tail, and did a few other semi-prankish things to others so far. What makes this one any different?

I am a little wary of his claim, but that's the one part about it that I think does make sense.

[Tam]

Hmmm yeah, I think he just has different ways of blocking people. (Then again, in this game you never know, really we don't know for sure that there is a Neville player. Could just be a random blocking each night, dressed up like him.)

Another long shot, though. But, the fact that Neville switches the way he blocks every night makes it a lot easier for the mafia to claim being blocked by him. (Unless the player really blocked by him jumps up and challenges it.)

Anyhow, not real important right now.

[Tam]

Happy Easter

Spending the weekend with my man. He'll be leaving again on Thursday.

*pout!!*

I'd imagine though, that most everyone is out for Easter holidays and all.

I am not sure about Fletcher, really. After the week settles I'll look back at the Hagrid and Macros thing d8p mentioned.

[Tam]

Wow! Who to believe....hmmm...

Either way, it's a ballsy claim. I'm not sure who to vote for, to be honest. It's way too ballsy on either side for a false role claim. Someone's got guts. OK, I'll go back to where FD jumped in and

vote Fletcher

for claiming to have investigated him on night 4. FD has been pretty much verified to be the wolfie, so I believe him.

[Tam]

Mathcam- not to sound like I'm trying to tell you who to vote for, but if coolbot is guilty, so is Fletcher, right? Well, coolbot has 0 votes and fletcher has 5. Stop the madness!

Whatcha think?

[Tam]

Aside from everything else, Fletcher claims to have investigated FD on a night he turned into a wolf and would have eaten him.

My vote stays.

[Tam]

Well, I already have a few times this game, so it's FD's turn to.

[Tam]

I still don't get why Fletcher didn't die when he investigated FD. The only logical reason is that he forgot that he would have died if he had done so, and he lied about having investigated him, which makes him scum.

I don't know why the mafia would put two out there, but I think they did.

Maybe because people would vote the other way, thinking, "Hey, the mafia would never do that."

[Tam]

Well, I will be gone but haven't left yet. Will be gone tomorrow through at least monday morning though.

I don't have much right now, having just seen the deaths. I did want to make sure that I told everyone that our target last night was Coolbot. Which may be why we seem to have too many deaths this time. Maybe he died by being there, too.

Poor kitty.

*mourns for a bit*

But yay! Voldemort is dead! That's a good sign

And welcome back, shadyforce. Cool to find out that we did have another way to fix you guys.

[Tam]

Hmmm also it just hit me. Without the death scene blurbs, we have absolutely no clues as to good guys and bad guys. (Well, I'm sure we can figure out Voldemort pretty fast.)

I just saw that Bluesin was Neville...and am very keen to know which side he was on.

[Tam]

I am Filch. I'm not sure why there is any question at all that I am pro-town, Thoth. I was half of a cop team, and my partner is dead now. He is protown, why would I not be?

Anyhow, I think we have enough of a force of confirmed innocents left to be safe to mass claim. But I also think that maybe we could wait another day. (But then, all they'd have to do is make sure they killed off a confirmed innocent tonight to lower our chances.) So I think it's best to go ahead and mass roleclaim.

I think Thoth's logic in his last post is pretty bad, really. Why say that Fletcher is the only confirmed innocent, just because he roleclaimed and noone countered it? Who said that it's a fact that Dumbledore is in this game? That's the dodgiest thing I've heard in a long time.

FOS Thoth

Your logic is dodgy at best, and you claim to only be *positive* about Fletcher's innocence, when half of the others you listed have been confirmed in one way or another by him. (in your own list)

[Tam]

Hmmm. We have many already claimed. I was thinking along the lines of having enough innocents to be able to ensure we can swing the vote.

Maybe it is better to wait.

And I see Thoth's post as I was about to finally submit this. (I went elsewhere and got sidetracked. Anyone else play KoL?)

Thanks for clarifying, your post does make a lot more sense the way you explained it. I have to admit, I couldn't see it before, at all. I do feel differently about Fletcher, too. For some reason I can't shake the feeling that he's scummy. Not sure why.

[Tam]

OK, so no mass roleclaim. So where does this leave us? Come on people, talk.

Who do we have that we do find suspicious?

[Tam]

Hmmmm, you know. Oddly that makes sense. I always did wonder why mathcam was so eager to hop out and 'save me the trouble' of revealing him. Maybe to cover for the fact that his role looks so evil. (Hehe, I bet he kicked himself when it ended up that we thought he was a rat.)

I dunno, though. Other than that, he really doesn't strike me as suspicious...but then I guess that's what being a really good player is all about.

FOS Mathcam until someone less lazy than myself does a vote count and I see that it's safe to vote him.

[Tam]

Soon = after dinner = 90 minutes...really![/i]

Riiiiiiight.

[Tam]

He was still late.

[Tam]

Wait. You mean regardless of whether or not mathcam's evil, we -should- or -shouldn't- lynch thoth?

You lost me with that last one.

[Tam]

Oops. Almost forgot this.

vote mathcam

This day is dragging, he is suspicious with the spider thing, and yeah, I think it's a very good point that he's the only one with no claimed power/night ability.

Speak up, mathcam! We want to hear from you!

[Tam]

Yeah, I even thought about coming out in my first post of the game just to spare us the argument of whether or not I was good or evil in the endgame.

Hmmm...sorry, mathcam, but i have to say it...
You thought at the start of the game that you would be here in the endgame? Aren't you feared by mafia and killed off early a lot?

Lynch him! He must be scum!

[Tam]

mathcam, Aragog, has been chased away by a mob from his comfy new hiding place, back to the Forest from whence he came

Pout. I am so lost in this game with death tags/scenes. It's so much easier for me to play when I can look back and see who voted scum/innocents, but on these half of them are still iffy.

Anyhow, FD- I suppose that the two of us are the only really confirmed people left. So we will have to be the most careful in watching for people trying to sway us, or even just be extra careful with our votes. If there's two left, all they have to do is get both of us on the same innocent vote, then they can force a lynch.

[Tam]

Go for it. And I say, the slower people are to claim, the closer we should look at them.

*gets her pen ready*

[Tam]

Right. So...

I'm Filch....


Anyone else care to enlighten us?

(I'd like to go ahead and thank those of you who are good guys for waiting DAYS before claiming so that we now have no clue who sat around all weekend making up roleclaims.)

[Tam]

hmm. I also find it odd and think it sounds a bit overpowered...surviving night kills *and* learning the identity of the killer? So, what happened then that put you out? I guess that doesn't count as a night kill...just a target...hmmm

I dunno...

And, what's this about doubting me? My partner has died already, and we shared our findings with everyone, people know we investigated them, where's the doubt coming from exactly?

[Tam]

The more I think about his roleclaim, the more WAY OVERPOWERED it sounds.

Vote mikehart

[Tam]

Hmmm...I actually didn't realise it was the lynch vote, but don't get me wrong...I'd have put it on still had I known. His role just is way too overpowered.

[Tam]

That was fun. Good game. Though, I was surprised Thoth fell for Shady's claim about making someone vote me today. That screamed scum at me (or dipshit, but I think we all know that's not the case with Shady)

The only problem I really had with the game setup was not being able to tell, even after they died, who was good and who was bad. I think that's really what killed the town's chances. The baddies knew, obviously, and any target for them was a good one, but without us knowing what groups we were after, it was a bit pointless with roleclaims and stuff.

I do see why he did that, and see he did it purposely, but I just think we didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning because of it. At the end, I'm betting even Thoth didn't realise that the kids were bad. I dunno, maybe if the cops (me and BB) got some type of different results? I think it's kinda pointless to get results that say whether someone is staff, student, or other, when we'll never find out which of those groups is bad. Don't get me wrong, it was a fun game, I just don't see any way we could have won it. (The endgame even wasn't about good or bad winning, it was which bad will win.)

Overall though, it was great fun and I look forward to seeing the night choices. The roles were really awesome. Very well setup. As I said, the

only thing

I'd have changed was the one thing about death results (or cop results, not both.)

Thanks Phoebus!

[Tam]

I got a PM from Phoebus that I found a transfiguration essay on my desk, but that it would not work on me. That made me believe shadyforce was genuine.

OK, I didn't realise you got told he tried to buy you out.
At any rate, my point was slightly different...

Sorry, I should have clarified what I meant. I was the only one of the last endgame people to be mostly confirmed as innocent. (I still don't get how you could have a cop team where 1 is good and the other is bad, the game mechanics just don't seem to fit right.)

If he was innocent and so sure that FD was a baddie, why would he buy your vote to go to me? Either he was scum, so wanted to secure a vote for a confirmed innocent, or he was lying. Either way, I can't see an innocent thinking that way.

Maybe it's just me cause I knew I was innocent.