Harry Potter: Oh the horror!! Game Over!!

[mathcam]

The only thing I can tell for sure right now is that none of us has the role of Nearly Headless Nick.

How bizarre. You're claiming this as part of your role, or something you've deduced from the game setup and posts so far?

Cam

[mathcam]

Okay, that's what I was asking about. I doubt that implies that Nick isn't in the game, but of course, it's certainly possible.

Cam

[mathcam]

Very interesting...why would this information be given to you. Maybe this game is done geographically? i.e. Voldemort was on his way to kill someone and passed by your room, so you saw him? Probably something a little more sophisticated than that. Or maybe you're the one Voldemort targeted, and for some reason he couldn't kill you? Or maybe you're Voldemort himself and this is a brilliant ploy. Hmmmm.

Cam

[mathcam]

A valid point, but I tend to think that if Werebear were a death-eater, he wouldn't have come out with this piece of information.

Cam

[mathcam]

That seems pretty reasonable, actually. At least the part about Tom Riddle and/or shady. I'm not sure about that distribution of evil.

Cam

[mathcam]

Wow, 3 posts in a second. Not bad.

Cam

[mathcam]

Vote: Stewie

a la macros, and I have nothing better to contribute. That, and I agree that Snape is undoubtedly not evil, though it's remotely possible that the has some kind of extra win condition, like having Harry not succeed in some quest that Harry has or something.

Cam

[mathcam]

That's your required 8, Stewie.

Cam

[mathcam]

Okay, well whatever. It was two more than Stewie had when Stewie said he has 6 and wanted two more.

Claim, monkey boy!

Cam

[mathcam]

...and see if they kill people? Or just see where they went?

It's sounding more and more like there

is

an underlying geography to this game.

Cam

[mathcam]

I think the role-blocker probably already knows, Stewie. There can't be too many roleblockers out there. Probably even wose is the possibility that a pro-town roleblocker convinces himself that his target was pro-town when it might have been another target.

In any case,

Unvote: Stewie

Cam

[mathcam]

I agree with DS and DP (and, I suppose, Macros) that he doesn't appear all that scummy. But I'm suspicious of the bandwagon-jumpers. I'll probably return to vote one at the botom of this post.

Stewie: I'm all for not pushing you to reveal anything you don't think would be a good idea to reveal, I just want to make sure there is some reason for not revealing. I don't think you'd change how big of a target you were or anything, do you?

Cam

[mathcam]

I'm amused that Macros was contemplating voting for someone because they misspelled something...

Cam

[mathcam]

And there may even be three killing groups. So I think shelper's point is pretty valid. On the other hand, multiple role-blockers is definitely a possibility. The question is whether or not Stewie would be ballsy enough to claim mason without actually being one.

I would like to hear from Stewie on how he knew that he was blocked by Neville.

Cam

[mathcam]

It kind of makes sense with the geography interpretation, too...if you were wandering the halls at night, you would see who stopped you from leaving. Stewie's A-Okay in my book for now.

Cam

[mathcam]

I have a solid claim, please don't force Snape to come out to confirm my innocence, he will probably have other abilities and need doc protection because of them, none of that is needed!!!

Wow was this an over-defensive post. It's a tough gamble. On the one hand, it's quite possible he's lying and this is a desparate ploy. On the other hand, it's a pretty major bad-for-the-town incident if we call his bluff and he's telling the truth, as Snape will come out and we'll have more sitting ducks than we know what to do with.

DS: I can' tbelieve you think we have a limited SK. Isn't an SK by definition limited? There's only one of them! I agree that there's something weird about the basilisk kills and the infirmary, but I think that if it's as simple as what you suggest, that the basilisk must have some awesome benefit as well. (Some kind of immunity to night kills, ability to manipulate voting, etc.) The more I think about it, the more I like the "ability to manipulate voting" hypothesis.

Cam

[mathcam]

I didn't think I was freaking out, but who knows?

Cam

[mathcam]

Cam - there have been sk's with limitations before, possibly with some kind of immunity bonus?

Mathcam, what is wrong with the idea of a SK with a weakness and a strength?

I feel like my point was missed. I was arguing that the SK wouldn't

just

have a weakness...that it would have some kind of bonus as well. In my opinion, this would be a strong bonus, once to compensate a) for being an SK, and b) Having a very weak kill.

I even proposed what this bonus might be...some kind of voting manipulation ability, which seems to go along with the basilisk's possession-like theme.

Cam

[mathcam]

It didn't until now....

I think the day's been rather productive with ideas coming forth about how the mechanics of the game works, which I feel can only help the town. (The mafia probably knew much of it already). This makes for more informed night choices on the part of the pro-town roles. Now, let's see...who wouldn't like that? Oh yeah, scum.

Vote: BlueSin

Cam

[mathcam]

DP, a somewhat amusing summary in quotes of the Flying Dutchman debate :

I'm Remus Lupin.

Normally, I change to a werewolf at full moon, which it seems to be every night in this game , but I won't become one if Snape gives me Wolfsbane. If he forgets to or is unable to, I become a Werewolf and kill everyone who targets me at night.

Am I the only one who understands what the role is? Lupin is a werewolf. Whoever Snape is has to brew Wolfsbane and give it to him every night or he'll kill whoever comes close, town or mafia.

Vote: Flying Dutchman

the reasoning - so eager to get a claim out of stewie, posted as soon as he could, missing not just a few posts like morpheus, but nearly a whole pages worth, trying to root out a target?

im voting Flying Dutchman as far as i know, thats a mod error.

sigh, i suppose you're right unvote: FD
no need to force old snape out into the open, more targets frot he scum (unfortunately my instincts are at a loss at the minute)

In any case, the point is that if we bandwagon FD

again

, his only defense will be to ask Snape to come out and verify his role, thus exposing yet another key figure.

Cam

[mathcam]

Okay.

Unvote: BlueSin, Vote: Macros

Cam

[mathcam]

*pssst..Unvote, BananaBob*

Cam

[mathcam]

I'm torn on Macros:

Pros for Not Lynching Macros:

- He hasn't put up the kind of strong defense that I would expect from Townie Macros.
- DP seems to think he's innocent
- I think he's hinted at a role claim in the thread.
- He's fun to be in a game with.

Pros for Lynching Macros:

- He's been acting a little strange this game.
- It's possible he and DP might be scum together.
- Allowing people to just hint at roles and not actually come out with them is not really a good idea.

I think I'm minorly convinced of his innocence, but I feel like we

have

to force a role claim at this point, so my vote stands.

Cam

[mathcam]

My votes' going to stay on Macros. It's certainly much better than forcing someone else to claim. Bogarts sure seem evil, if they're even in the game at all.

Cam

[mathcam]

Well, for one, it might reveal Werebear's role. But I agree that something is fishy here. In his original role claim, Macros never mentioned anything about receiving actual informaiton. Doesn't that make him too powerful of a pro-town role? He's claiming a role-blocker that in a sense also figures out what the role of the player he targets is. To me, this makes much more sense as a mafia role, but even then it's pretty powerful.

Werebear, is there any way to confirm whether or not you got blocked last night?

But if Werebear's giving the thumbs up, I see no reason

not

to make Macros reveal his claimed information.

Cam

[mathcam]

Well, it seems pretty reasonable to assume that Macros is indeed a Boggart. At this point, he would have had so many things go his away for him to be able to make everything happen as it did. The

one

other possibility in my mind is that he's some kind of mafia role-investigator, and just made up a plausible fear for Snape to have.

Now, whether or not Boggart is evil. Well, I think if the boggart were evil, he would have claimed a different role. I was going to write more, but I think that's fairly convincing, really.

Unvote: Macros

,

but I still wouldn't mind a cop's investigation of him, as FD points out.

Cam

[mathcam]

Well, I'm certainly no expert on the books. I've only read the first 3. If others agree that Voldemort is unlikely as Snape's biggest fear, I'll probably put my vote back on.

Cam

[mathcam]

Okay, well I'm putting my vote back on:

Vote: Macros

. These have all been mentioned several times, but here's a summary of why:

1) Macros is claiming a fairly powerful role, one that is in my opinion possibly too powerful to be pro-town (especially for a non-mainstream character), but a pretty balanced addition for the mafia.
2) His one piece of evidence is that he claims to have known Werebear's greatest fear was Voldemort. It's extremely likely that

many

people's greatest fears are Voldemort, just by his nature, so this is easily attributable to a lucky guess.
3) Even if Macros is telling the truth about what his role does, Boggarts are somewhat evil. in any case, they're certainly not "good."

Dang, I think I was thinking of more when I started to write this post. Oh well.

Cam

[mathcam]

Hm, good point, Werebear. But as you point out, this just essentially lends more credence to the claim that he is a Boggart, something that I feel I was pretty convinced of already. Especially with the deadline, my vote stays.

Cam

[mathcam]

I'm not a dementor, and I think it's pretty clear my role has a fear (not to you, to me). It's too bad, though, because I kind of wanted to know what it was (I'm not extremely knowledgeable about this character, and the web hasn't been very helpful).

Cam

[mathcam]

Okay, there seems to be a lot of information out there right now, which is good. We just have to selectively come out with the right stuff and piece it together to nail a baddie. I feel like Stewie's info in particular will have to be carefully and selectively revealed.

But yeah, the whole Macros thing. He sure hasn't come up with any terrific support of his claim today. He mentions the possibility of a dementor, and then one turns up in someone's night info...is this a good bluff? Did Macros know someone saw him?

Cam

[mathcam]

Yup, sorry.

Cam

[mathcam]

It seems unlikely to me that Slytherin would be a recruiting group, but I think you definitely have a point about the lack of kills.

I'll think about the mass claim idea (and, of course, while I'm at it, think about lynching you fro bring it up. )

Cam

[mathcam]

However, he targeted me night 1

The thing is there's no strong reason to think that, unless I've forgotten something. Voldemort is a strong guess even if he's making up his claim.

Cam

[mathcam]

Yeah, I'm just not currently buying the Macros argument. There's some suspicion, certainly, but not enough to make me want to go after him (again). Plus, consider this: It's quite likely a cop would have investigated Macros last night, and probably would have come out if he were guilty. So not a strong for his innocence, but another one, and the more we have, the more it can't be the right play to go after him.

Cam

[mathcam]

Yeah, it wasn't a great sentence Tam. Let me re-word:

Each weak piece of information implying someone's innocence should probably be disregarded, as even mafia are bound to do

something

that seems innocent. But if we have several pieces of weak innocence-implying, together that should probably at least get us to hold off on going after that person. I think we have several of these for Macros, now, so I don't think going after him with the best.

Idunno...with no cops out in the open, I think it would probably be a good idea for a cop who knows for certain of an evil player to come out. That way they don't risk dying before that information is revealed,

and

the docs will know who to protect that night.

Cam

[mathcam]

The chances are fairly high that both of them are pro-town though.

I'm not too sure about that. Even if there's a 70% chance that each individually is pro-town, there's less than a %50 chance that they

both

are. The probability of either of them being mafia is largely dependent on how many killing groups there are.

So you're pretty sure you're the only chance they have of coming back?

Cam

[mathcam]

Wait, why me or Macros? Why could't a dementor be anyone else in the game blocking Macros?

I'm curious as to why a dementor would block Macros? Maybe this is even further support that Macros is innocent?

Cam

[mathcam]

I think mathcam is the better choice of the two, just because if he is innocent, we can look at macros more closely...bah, i dunno, undecided for now stil

Wha??? I think one of the two is evil, so let's sacrifice the more innocent one so that we're more sure about what we're doing when we go after the other one. ???

Cam

[mathcam]

It still seems a

little

odd....we'll lynch

me

to get

some

information about Macros, when we

could

lynch

Macros

and get

all

the information about him. Wow, that was a lot of italics.

It sounds very much to me like Macros was role-blocked (if he's telling the truth)...that he wandered into a Dementor, rather than it being the case that the person he tried to target was a dementor. In this case, it's just as likely that I"m a dementor as anyone else.

Cam

[mathcam]

Yeah, my role is somewhat suspicious, isn't it? I'll save everyone the effort and claim: I am Aragog, the ginormous spider.

I'm not sure who you're referring to as my counterpart, though, Tam. I'm not at all involved in a "team of 2." But in any case, I'm certainly not a dementor...so Macros was either being role-blocked or lying. I don't

really

buy the arguments for a Dementor blocking Macros, but it's certainly possible. That, and I'm not that suspicios of Macros any more.

Cam

[mathcam]

Hey, do I (being my role) have any deep enemies other than Voldemort?

Cam

[mathcam]

I asked about an enemy because I'm told in my PM that an enemy of mine has started living in Hogwarts. I assumed this meant Voldemort, but the basilisk makes sense.

I was going to come out day 1 and claim Aragog just so it wouldn't happen that I was forced to claim it, but it was left unlear as to whether or not my goal was to outlive this "worst enemy" or if he could target me, etc.

But I guess that concern doesn't really matter any more.

Tam, again, what makes you think I have a partner?

Cam

[mathcam]

Well, the role claim is pretty believable.

Cam

[mathcam]

Why would I claim aragog if I were a rat?

Cam

[mathcam]

For what it's worth, I don't you think you screwed up that bad. You came to an incorrect conclusion, sure, but don't beat yourself up over it.

Cam

[mathcam]

I menace. Rather, I do nothing. But yeah, while having semi-verified role claims out there is in general bad, we can at least narrow down the field a lot. Time to do some compiling of role claims, I suppose. Off to read the thread again.

Cam

[mathcam]

I too am highly suspicious of Macros, but suspect that his is a case where waiting until he actually provides us with some information would be good. Unfortunately, there's no reason to think that if a dementor targeted Macros last night, he/she wouldn't do it again tonight.

So 7 pro-town, plus one more confirmable in Fred Weasley makes 8 out of 22. Not enough to merit a mass claim, certainly, but enough to start thinking about it.

Cam

[mathcam]

The thing is, I don't see anything that waiting will accomplish, in regard to Macros. There's no way to tell the difference between him lying about a dementor and him really getting blocked by a dementor

Yeah, that was my argument

against

waiting, modargo. I'd be very happy to wait on Macros if I felt confident that he's come out tomorrow with a fear for someone that we could verify. Unfortunately, this is somewhat unlikely to happen because of the chance of the dementor re-targeting him.

Cam

[mathcam]

Agh! No! I was just saying that was the argument against "We shouldn't not lynch Macros because waiting would be a better plan." Not having a reason not to lynch someone is not the same as having a reason to lynch them. I was not advocating the lynch of Macros, I was saying that the argument of "waiting is better" is flawed.

Cam

[mathcam]

That's 8, 11 needed. I

suppose

I could wait for Morphues to come back before putting on a 9th....

MORPHEUS! WAKE UP!

Cam

[mathcam]

Well, if he's innocent, I'd

ideally

have him post a moving defense that convinced everyone one of his innocence without proving it, and without revealing his role. If he's guilty, he'll ideally come up with a fake role that's easliy checked to be bogus.

That's what I'd like to see from Morpheus.

Cam

[mathcam]

And give up my vacation home there? Never! I'll be here for months.

Cam

[mathcam]

(Can someone tell how to use the show all posts in this thread by that user).

It's right under the quick reply box that you're probably looking at right now! (Just change "All users" to a specific one)

Cam

[mathcam]

BlueSin has yet to claim, right? If you were just waiting for the right time, BlueSin, now would probably be good.

Cam

[mathcam]

No, I just meant to say Morpheus.

Cam

[mathcam]

Okay, that's one away again, and yeah, I agree with DP.

Just because I was thinking it would be funny if I did it, I checked out previous 2PMs (my time) on Tuesdays in Morpheus' profile to see if there were any posts:

Morpheus' post list last Tuesday:
Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:15 pm
Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 5:53 pm
Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 4:08 pm
Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 3:29 pm
Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:17 pm
Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 1:43 pm

When did you say soccer practice was again?

Cam

[mathcam]

Possible, agreed. But still amusing. If you're around, CoolBot, maybe you wanna unvote until he gets back and claims?

Cam

[mathcam]

Or he hasn't checked the board in the 14 hours between his claim and now.

Cam

[mathcam]

I have to agree with this lynch, even if I'm somewhat convinced of his innocence. There's a decent chance he's lying, and even if he's not, we can refute or accept the student mafia theory in totum.

Cam

[mathcam]

Oh, yes. I didn't see the vote count above, and thought UT had finished him off.

Vote: morpheus

Cam

[mathcam]

Ouch. Holding macros' votes off becuase of misspellings essentially turns Macros into a non-entity in this game. I hope that doesn't apply to Macros' night choice (or maybe I do...)

Cam

[mathcam]

Interesting. So George Weasley was cursed. So were both the Weasley's anti-town? They're "troublemakers," which kind of sounds like Phoebus's way of saying they're evil without saying that they're evil.

So, Stewie. How's it going?

By the way, I think I'm a confirmed innocent as is proved by the fact that my name is out of order alphabetically on the front page.

Cam

[mathcam]

CoolBot, CoolBot, Coolbot...what I have told you about taking me seriously?

Cam

[mathcam]

Did Macros ever claim he could block? Or just that he could discover fears? Dasquian, do you have a role that you think would fear Sirius Black?

I think someone visited me last night, but I'm not sure what to make of it.

Cam

[mathcam]

Okay, then. Hmm. We certainly do seem to have some contradictory information, then. All in all, Macros is essentially confirmed, and he wouldn't have been told a fear if

he

had been role-blocked, so I guess I believe Macros.

Vote; Dasquian

Cam

[mathcam]

Hmm.

Unvote: Dasquian

for now. Can someone who knows the book either confirm or deny the possibility of Fawkes fearing Sirius?

Cam

[mathcam]

You're getting hung up on my relationship with Sirius; there

is

no relationship to Sirius, I didn't see him last night, I didn't see anything last night. Macros presumably chose it to get me lynched.

Macros never claimed you saw him last night. He just claimed that he investigated you and found that your worst fear was Sirius.

Cam

[mathcam]

("him" being Sirius, not Macros)

Cam

[mathcam]

Hm, this is true, but I was not scared by Macros when he targeted me. Hmm. A possible inconsistency?

Cam

[mathcam]

Wow, so it was a party at my place night 1. If I'd have known you all were coming, I'd have baked a cake.

This is indeed a very intriguing situation. We have contradictory information from two people who would seem to have no reason to lie about it.

I guess we can continue to wait for Macros, but I'm not sure I see the benefit. He's just going to come back and say "Those were my results, I don't know what else to tell you. Dasquian is scum." (Or, at least, that's what he'll

try

and say.

Cam

[mathcam]

I just can't really envision a reasonable scenario in which both of them could be innocent...but making this decisions is potentially very bad. Wasting two lynches on two townies is not good progress.

Cam

[mathcam]

Hm, good point, Tam. I think Macros is more likely to be telling the truth, but lynching wrong on Macros is less bad for the town than lynching wrong on Das. So I guess I'm leaning toward Macros at the moment.

The one explanation I could think of is some kind of target-switcher, and Macros got somebody else's fear instead of Das's. If such a role exists, then Macros would make a good target precisely because of what's happening today....and we might end up lynching both of them because of it.

Cam

[mathcam]

Man, I'm still stuck. I really can't believe that Macros would have chosen this approach to playing this game if he were scum. So basically I'm choosing between "Das is scum" and "Macros's choices got tampered with somehow."

We already know Macros has been the target of a dementor, and certainly a role that could mess up people's role choices would realize that messing up Macros could result in two bad lynches. So actually, I'm inclined to vote for neither of them. Maybe some other cop-like role could lend further information to the Dasquian situation in subsequent nights.

Cam

[mathcam]

It seems to me that the "indistinct shape" clause definitely verifies Macros' claim. Now whether or not he is pro-town or anti-town is the big unknown...

that's

what I was hoping some cop would tell us.

Cam

[mathcam]

In this thread, without reference to DP:

Pheonix

Pheonix

Pheonix

Pheonix

Well, DP, at least you now know it's nothing personal.

Cam

[mathcam]

I'm just not sure how you can be so convinced. That's two large gambits on Macros' part, right? Why wouldn't he just shut up?

Cam

[mathcam]

Is it just me, or does it seem very odd to me that Macros of all people was the target of a night kill? It certainly wouldn't behoove an evil killing group to do something like that, so maybe a pro-town vig is responsible?

I do wish we know whether or not Macros was good or bad, though I tend to believe good.

Cam

[mathcam]

Well, information-having is certainly not linked to evil-notbeing, so be a little careful there.

Cam

[mathcam]

Well there have certainly been many evil roles with information-gathering prospects, (check out Werewolf mafia, for example, but there have been plenty of others) but I misspoke when I said there was

no

link. There's a link, it's just an inconclusive one.

Cam

[mathcam]

Maybe you can't take everyone to your cabin?

Am I missing something, FD? Why would you even suspect that he had the ability to target multiple people on one night?

Cam

[mathcam]

I see. That interpretation

does

make a lot more sense.

Cam

[mathcam]

Sorry about the incorrect terminology (I can't remember what they're really called), but maybe the house ghosts (like nearly-headless Nick) are counted as staff? Peeves?

Cam

[mathcam]

Huh? But I'm not going anywhere...ohhhh, him. Okay.

Cam

p.s. Bush or Tictacs is hilarious.

[mathcam]

Surprisingly enough (:)), I agree with BlueSin. And I'm not sure exactly why everyone seems so skeptical about his claim.

Cam

[mathcam]

Okay, I see your point, WB, and I'll probably tack my vote on as soon as bloojay comes back, unless he says something meaty. But I also agree with d8P...why would he have admitted to targeting Macros if he was indeed evil and did target Macros?

Cam

[mathcam]

Does anyone here know if he has a record of frequently just disappearing.

I don't know of a game he's been in where he hasn't disappeared frequently for extended periods of time. I thought he had resolved not to let it happen any more, though.

Cam

[mathcam]

Or at least inattentive to the point that even if he's pro-town, he's not doing us any good. Unless anyone strenuously objects soon, I'll put on the final vote (or someone else, if they want...I won't feel deprived)

Cam

[mathcam]

a) I have no idea how I missed this game going into day...I was actually kind of annoyed that it was taking so long. In short, I'm an idiot. (See title)

b) I tend to think that being locked in a bathroom isn't something Fletcher would make up. This is especially true since there probably is a Neville in the game who would come forward and debunk the claim.

c) This doesn't, however, mean that Fletcher's not scum. He's just as suspicious as any of the other non-claimed, and probably a little more so.

Fletcher, I think you should claim.

Cam

[mathcam]

All I have to say is "wow." I'm currently feeling like one of Fletcher/d8P is scum, and one of CoolBot/d8P is scum, and so the logical conclusion is to go after d8P. But yet he's still somehow very convincing. But why would CoolBot coutner-claim?

For the librophiles out there, is there

any

chance there could be two Fudges in the game?

Cam

[mathcam]

~doesn't yet get it~

???

Cam

[mathcam]

Imposter!

Vote: CoolBot

Cam

[mathcam]

but if coolbot is guilty, so is Fletcher, right?

That isn't clear to me at all. There's a lot going on in this game. Though Fletcher still has a whole heapload of suspicion on him, he may or may not be scum, wereas one of CoolBot/d8P is

definitely

scum.

But CoolBot definitely has a point about d8P being the one who's introducing all this Polyjuice Potion stuff.

Unvote: CoolBot

for now. CoolBot, I take it you're claiming the exact same powers as d8P is?

Cam

[mathcam]

Well, coolbot has 0 votes and fletcher has 5. Stop the madness!

With all this new information, it's very silly to be voting for someone because they have the most votes. Several of the votes on Fletcher are (probably...I haven't checked) from people who voted him before the whole d8P/CoolBot thing even started!

I think lynching Fletcher's not a good idea (I see CoolBot agrees)

Cam

[mathcam]

Sorry for the intertwining posts....no preview sucks...

My abilities have nothing to do with closing the school.

Interesting. So how about this plan? We "no lynch" today, insist that d8P keep the school open for another day. If he doesn't, we know he was lying. If he does, we have to re-think about who to lynch. Maybe CoolBot, maybe Fletcher...maybe even d8P, I suppose, if we think he might have an anti-town role that can shut the school.

This is all assuming that d8P can activate his ability during the day...is this so, d8P?

Cam

[mathcam]

I'm becoming more and more convinced of the Fletcher banndwagon. CoolBot, why do you think otherwise? Just because you think d8P is scum?

Next to that I cannot remember seeing someone counterclaim and be lying.

While I agree in general, this is a rather special case in which we have a specific incident from the book which would explain away the double-occurrence of the role.

This said, if I had to pick between CoolBot stealing d8P's identity and vice versa, I'm currently leaning toward d8P being evil...he so brazenly posted his role after Fletcher came out with info against him that I can't help but feel like he was looking forward to CoolBot's counter-claim.

Cam

[mathcam]

Aw, and I was just about to vote for CoolBot, too. Stupid weekends. I guess we'll see...

Cam

[mathcam]

Well, it looks like Fletcher and Tam are probably cleared. (Me?) Do we have claims from others?

Cam

[mathcam]

Guess who's back, back again
Shady's back, tell a friend
Guess who's back, guess who's back
Guess who's back. guess who's back
Guess who's back, guess who's back, guess who's back

Sorry. Couldn't help it.

On a more serious note, the Fletcher targeting FD thing is still weird. But CoolBot seems to definitely have been Fudge, and he claimed he could verify some of Fletcher's claims. I guess there's probably a lot of different things that could have happened (as we discussed yesterday).

Cam

[mathcam]

Heh. Yeah.

Okay, here's the deal. I have precisely 0 night abilities...a "generic townie," if you will. Unfortunately, I feel like this probably won't help my cause much. For a character so far from the norm as Aragog, you'd certainly expect him to have

some

kind of ability, which I don't.

As for the discussion of Aragog's motives, I have two things to say:

1) Yes, he tried to kill the students, but we don't know really know that students are pro-town in this setup (unless I missed something). The profs and staff seem like pro-town roles, so unless you've got more people claiming to be huge ugly monsters, you may be out of luck after me if you follow this train of thought.
2) It seems like the focus in this game so far is on two evil things: Voldemort and the Basilisk, both of which are my enemies. Though certainly not a proof of innocence, an enemy of the bad guys can't be too far from being a good guy, right?

Cam

[mathcam]

He's been lying a bit low recently, possibly trying to keep our wandering thoughts off him. Fos mathcam.

Does lurking

ever

keep people's minds off of then? I usually feel like every game I'm in degenerates to a lurker hunt as some point or another.

Cam

[mathcam]

*confused* I thought we decided dementors were pro-town.

Cam

[mathcam]

Oh, sorry. Just got names mixed up. I was thinking about Macros, the boggart, not the dementor.

Cam

[mathcam]

24 hours? I don't need no stinkin' 24 hours? I just needed that weekend to be over so I could get back to a computer.

I've not been lying about having no abilities, though it's possible (perhaps likely?) that some of the flavor text in my role claim (which I even referred to earlier) makes my role non-trivial.

Shady's "*???* " point above got me thinking. I certainly

sound

like an evil role, and I certainly

did

try to kill people in the books (as DS is fond of pointing out)...maybe I

did

unknowingly go ballistic after Hagrid died.

Hmmmm, you know. Oddly that makes sense. I always did wonder why mathcam was so eager to hop out and 'save me the trouble' of revealing him. Maybe to cover for the fact that his role looks so evil.

Yeah, I even thought about coming out in my first post of the game just to spare us the argument of whether or not I was good or evil in the endgame. But the flavro text relating in my PM discussing the basilisk made me think that it wasn't such a good idea.

Cam

[mathcam]

Actually, in games where I live past the first night, and live a surprisingly long time (surprsing to me at least). Maybe mafia count on doc-protect. But in any case, yes. This isn't always true, but I like to think about the possibility that I'll end up in the endgame and try to decide how my performance at the beginning of the game can affect it. If I die before, then oh well, it's not like I've lost anything.

But my comment here about revealing didn't apply only to the endgame. I thought about revealing just so that

I

was the first to reveal that I was Aragog. If an investigator came out and said "Oh, by the way, mathcam's a big humongous spider," my role-claiming sure isn't going to work as a defense. Again, the only reason I didn't claim immediately because I was worried of some behind-the-scenes parts of my role that I didn't know about.

Ok, so you might be a viscous killer but you just don't know it? Come on 'Cam. You can do better than that.

Not that I really expect you to buy this, but yes, if I were scum, I

could

come up with a defense much more concrete than that one. As townie, I have no more to go on that speculations of my own and the other players. But in any case, if I were scum, why would I want to support that theory? It only encourages people to lynch me, which for all I know, is the right play for the town despite the fact that I

am

pro-town.

Which night kills did you suspect were me, Shady? The BlueSin kill? (Torn apart and spread all over the school)? I suppose that could be me, but it could also be Lupin, right? In fact, that seems incredibly likely to me...what with Neville being a role-blocker and all.

Maybe the die is cast and I'm going to be lynched, but I feel like we're still in the midst of discussing this. Maybe some unvotes are in order? Oh wait, is that the lynching vote? If so, bollocks. I just hope I

was

a secret mass-mudering serial killer.

Cam