Otherworld Mafia - Vasta - Over

[Amrun]

Vote: Sir Bastion

If you have a chance to hammer this time, do it.

Question: we can only vote for people in this thread, right?

[Amrun]

Why?

[Amrun]

oh is that like, real

why did you clarify

oh and:

I'm basically v/la but I should be able to post once a day or so, depending on how busy I am at work

[Amrun]

@Tierce

: Careful. We don't want to reveal power roles as being the movers, exclusively.

[Amrun]

@Tierce

: Careful. We don't want to reveal power roles as being the movers, exclusively.

Wouldn't power roles be the non-movers...

Not according to what Tierce was saying, which I was responding to.

[Amrun]

Toon Fighter

Scum probing the waters.


I also

FoS Korts

. He seems bound and determined to decrease information available for town. While some degree of old-fogeyness is expected from him, I don't think he'd totally ignore all possibilities to decrease confusion and increase information.

[Amrun]

Oops.

Vote: Toon Fighter

[Amrun]

SB, why did you feel it relevant to say that? Crypto wasn't even using meta to make any sort of alignment argument.

[Amrun]

SB, why did you feel it relevant to say that? Crypto wasn't even using meta to make any sort of alignment argument.

As I said above I've just come off two games where such claims proved disastrous and I also see a similar claim being made over in Aia so I rather be clear on my feelings on such plays.

How do you feel about claims to a meta knowledge of a player? do you put much trust in them?

That isn't what I asked you. I asked why you said it in response to crypto. I still want you to answer this.

Claims to meta knowledge must be evaluated individually; I tend not to put much stock in them, but in some cases, it can be really valuable.

cross-thread shenanigans

--Telegram for roflcopter, Vasta thread--

too many people trying to appear helpful by pontificating about theme game mechanics right now

I'm assuming you mean scum are trying to muddy the waters here. Go ahead, call them out by name.

amrun, panzer, faerielord, ns, tierce, korts, maybe some other people my eyes glazed over at all the game mechanic talk.

That's not what Vi asked you - she asked who thought was SCUM in this group. This group isn't actually even correct. I haven't talked about game mechanics very much at all, for example, and neither have some others on your list, and you're leaving out people who talked far more about it (MattP, crypto, for example).

You're making a blanket statement that everyone talking about game mechanics is scum, and that's so stupid I think you know that shit is not true. You dodged Vi's question instead of listing who you thought was scummy. YOU SCUM BRO

NS is actually playing to his town meta right now. Normally, I completely disagree with meta usage but on NS, it's pretty much the only way to catch him.

Yos is still not here so I can't agree with yosarian2 yet..

@SB: I agree that town use meta more as well, which is why I have a townread on crypto.

Also, yes, NS it town too, I can read him like a picture book, it's just a gut feel with his, but generally he is more proactive and aggressive as town and reserved and lurky as scum.

Wow, I could not disagree with this more. NS is lurky as either alignment, but he prefers being scum and usually tries harder as scum.


I suspect both Sir Bastion and roflcopter, but rofl wins the scumwar atm.

VOTE: roflcopter

And Toonfighter is still scum too. NOT ENOUGH VOTESSSSSS

[Amrun]

Not seeing a slip.

Also, I wasn't calling for more tf votes... I was saying I wish I had more votes. But more tf votes would be a-okay with me.

[Amrun]

That was not at all a loaded question. "Trying to appear town" strongly implies "are not actually town." Vi's question was a great question. If you disagreed with the question, then why pretend to answer it but not actually answer it?

Even IF you did not mean to call anyone scum in your original statement, a more townish reaction would have been to evaluate those people and answer Vi's question in a different way. You chose option C: not actually evaluating anything or showing any pro-town curiosity.

p-edit: You're missing the point. Crypto was being sarcastic, and specifically stated that his meta mention meant NOTHING by saying "he's either town, scum, or third party." And yet you use that to wax lyrical about the unreliability of meta. Are you worried you won't play to your usual town meta, or don't want meta used to clear townies? That's how it read to me, and it's sketch.

[Amrun]

I was expecting cognizance from your answer and was sorely disappointed.

I don't personally know enough of your town meta to say, but I assume you have one, yes.

I'm not pushing it anywhere; I asked you some questions to see what you would say, and when you kept stonewalling me, I explained what I was thinking.

I wasn't making a comment on what I use or don't use meta for, but I suppose I probably do, yes.

[Amrun]

Still can't see what my slip is. Once people point it out, I might answer :shrug:
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Well, I don't know what it was, but I know what it IS.


VOTE: FaerieLord

[Amrun]

No one else has an issue with faerielord thinking the fact that he scumslipped is a possibility?

Kill it now.

[Amrun]

no, wanting to know why another player thinks you've scum-slipped isn't suspicious

Obviously. His wording IS, though.


But Toon Fighter scumfucking onto the wagon isn't a good sign.


Yosarian not commenting on FL is strange, and I don't think his vote on NS is very strong. I mean, yes - NS clearly implied an FoS on TF, but eh.
.

[Amrun]

That's clearly not all you said. What? Do I have to do a quote stripe to respond to you, or something? You said several things, but the meat of your case is that NS said he did not attack TF after he implied an FoS on him, and that there inconsistencies in his expressed thoughts on FL. I don't think these are things that can't come from town - and in fact, I know NS deliberates about his posts as scum, and I think they are more likely to come from town, because he is not worried about consistency.

[Amrun]

Like, I get what you're saying, I just don't think it's as definitively intepreted that way as you are suggesting. It's possible, but I am not compelled to vote him. I was more concerned by your lack of mention of FL.

[Amrun]

Why did I ever get off this wagon again?

VOTE: ToonFighter

[Amrun]

@Vi in Voweltown:

I actually really want this to be multiball because {Tierce, redFF, roflcopter} can theoretically be wiped off the map in one cycle. And that would alleviate any concerns I will ever have for the rest of my career

about being a part of the least successful scumteam ever.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS

BBmolla is town. Also why is crypto replacing out... Don't get it.

[Amrun]

Okay, probably should not lynch that.

VOTE: roflcopter

But willing to hammer FaerieLord and he should claim.

Vi: I think I might be reading the sentence wrong, but I can't parse that post without it meaning that you are part of a terrible scumteam in this game. Can you please rephrase, because I don't think that's what you're actually saying. Probably.

[Amrun]

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

reading is tech

[Amrun]

I misread #207 as you. You're not at L-1. Woops.

VOTE: FaerieLord

Thoughhhhhhhh. Eh. My conviction on you wanes with each passing day.

[Amrun]

Any CCs on TF's doc claim?

[Amrun]

Oops, forgot. It was a reaction face to show how much I disapprove of ls's post.

[Amrun]

If there is a/another doc, (s)he should NOT counterclaim. Terrible idea.

[Amrun]

Vi, I JUST NOW got what you were trying to say. Okay. Fail parse was fail.

[Amrun]

I misread #207 as you. You're not at L-1. Woops.

VOTE: FaerieLord

Thoughhhhhhhh. Eh. My conviction on you wanes with each passing day.

Also, I forgot to quote this post. That's good logic.
Conviction wanes, votes anyway. Just make sure to point at your fence with your fingers too.

This is a good post!

Let's say something that vaguely casts aspersions on one of my attackers without calling her scum outright or discussing whether the post had scum motivations!

yeah.

From this point until Monday, July 9, I am REALLY, REALLY v/la. I will TRY to phone post during this time, but no promises. If there's a threadsplosion, I can basically guarantee I won't be catching up.

[Amrun]

@Tierce in Voweltown:

I haven't said anything about you because I don't have anything particularly enlightening to say. I lean scum on you. I see what some others are seeing. But I don't really have conviction about it. I am not about to pick up the cross-thread torch and banner. It could go either way.

[Amrun]

I kind of skimmed it out of necessity... Remind me to look at him again when I come back.

[Amrun]

FL, I'm not "pre-v/la." I've been on v/la since the game started. I'm just transitioning from partial v/la to full v/la. So yes - my attention is not as full as it should be.

I would rather have my vote on roflcopter, but with me not beign around to drum up that wagon, THAT'S being useless.

[Amrun]

Don't think I've been particularly snarky this game - so, yes, then.

[Amrun]

okay i exist but it's gonna take me awhile to catch up

[Amrun]

okay guys

i read the thread

what the FUCKKKKKKKKKKKK

If any of the mimics are scum, it's NS, because of the town/third party thing, but if he is scum, he is a scum mimic. Not sure about FL, I somehow missed his actual claim in my mad sprint to read this before deadline once I realized when it was.

Have not read Aia yet.

The whole time I was reading, I was thinking, 'WHY AREN'T MORE PEOPLE VOTING SIR BASTION? WHYYYYYYYYYYYY?'

So, I'm going to do that.

VOTE: Sir Bastion

Sir Bastion is scumming this thread up and he should GO.

However, I will definitely check in before deadline to make sure I don't need to move my vote.

[Amrun]

YES, BBMOLLA.

YES.

[Amrun]

I don't think Shmugen is scum, though, or I would put my vote there. The follower claim just felt genuine. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'll do it at deadline, but it's not ideal.

[Amrun]

Would you have been willing to risk another power role being outed today?

With like 27 mimics? Fuck yes.

[Amrun]

I really, REALLY need to catch up on Aia now.

But I'm still happy to...

Vote: Sir Bastion

YOU SCUM BRO

MoS, why are you here?

[Amrun]

but going into last night everybody knew 1 player was going to move (quadz) so there was no reason for scum to move 2 more players to this thread for numbers. So the reasoning for the move is rather open.

Can you elaborate on this?

[Amrun]

Vote: Sir Bastion

Do I have to keep doing this?

[Amrun]

He's not scum 'cause flailing.

[Amrun]

Oh, dear God. Sir Bastion, stop being scum as town.

[Amrun]

Oh, dear God. Sir Bastion, stop being scum as town.

Do you mean in general? Cause if you do then you are full of sh*t This is the first time this has happened to me yet. Something you should know cause we have played together before and nothing I did in this game is out of character for me as town (which is why I'm in such disbelief over everyone's conviction)


Btw PETA I still want your thoughts on mos. just because it's twilight doesn't excuse you from scumhunting.

No, I meant in this game ... but also in the last game we played together. That no hammer was BAD on a STICK.

But we've had successful runs together - and if you are, indeed, town, you did nothing but scum up this WHOLE GAME. Get it together.


Also, MoS is town.

[Amrun]

I don't think Aia should lynch prematurely just because I'M impatient for flips, which I now think you're scum again because you know I'm town.

Aia should take their time and lynch SCUM.

[Amrun]

I think extended twilights are actually pretty useless after the first couple of hours, and that days are much better - but it is what it is, and LOL at "deflecting." I was the first vote on your wagon, bub.

[Amrun]

I really need to catch up on voweltown... tomorrow

[Amrun]

I'm really behind in this game. Hard to care when just waiting for flip, plus the usual weekend v/la. Will read tomorrow; just checking in.

[Amrun]

Also, why Amrun? Cause she lynched you and she'd doing the exact same thing you're doing. I have yet to see a useful Amrun post.
Also, note her interaction with the Schmu wagon

"I don't think Shmugen is scum, though, or I would put my vote there. The follower claim just felt genuine. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'll do it at deadline, but it's not ideal."

Somewhat suspect considering she didn't even move at deadline and kept her vote on you.
She also fence sat on my wagon, where the post where she said that her read of me as scum is waning, but she votes me. That one was, and remains, pure bliss. Also, when she asked me to claim, without knowing the state of my wagon. Oh and recently, her justification of your lynch where she said you're still scum, despite being town.

Let's address the myriad ways this is bullshit.

I've done FAR more than you in this game, FAR more - despite being v/la for over two weeks. I was the first to suspect both Toon Fighter and Sir Bastion and made those wagons happen. As it turned out, both of those suspicions were wrong (at least probably, on SB's part), but that doesn't mean I'm not doing anything.

How am I suspect for not moving at deadline when I said, specifically, that I was keeping my vote on my preferred wagon but would check in before deadline to move my vote? I did not have to do this because a lynch was reached. That's just ridiculous.

As for the "fence sitting," yes, I did that - but you have NEVER stopped to ask yourself why, which basically just re-affirmed my scumread on you at the time. Now, your claim makes me lean town on you, but then you say such dumb things and I wonder.

I THOUGHT you were at L-1 when I asked you to claim. Being wrong doesn't mean anything in this context. Stop twisting things, like taking my "still scum" comment seriously. Get a grip.

@SirB: Try reading my ISO, bub. I've pointed out a lot of specific things, though over my v/la I stopped doing so because it was too much. In general, you failed to have any believable suspicion of anything and basically active lurked all game. You had some cognitive dissonance. You looked, to me, like scum trying to blend in.

[Amrun]

Sir Bastion, just because I didn't parrot myself for absolutely no reason doesn't mean that issue WENT AWAY. I also said when I first pointed it out that you were a scum suspect due to that.

After coming back from v/la, you act as if you expected me to regurgitate my own iso. Why would I EVER do that? I was less specific after that than I usually would be because I was in catch - up mode, and by that point you were so obviously scum to me that I didn't feel the need to point out because just about everyone saw it. I generally post specifics when I am trying to convince people. If they're already convinced, I don't bother.

[Amrun]

I will say that I Tammy's posts so far

I don't like the missing word here. Everyone makes typos, but this feels like you constructed the post a priori to add whatever result you then saw fit.

No it's not - not when the rest of the paragraph clearly he indicates he meant something along the lines of "dislike." Tierce still scummy.

[Amrun]

Wait,

what

?

That is absolutely out of the blue. Not only have you apparently not read Aia in-depth to judge me--your read on me was "lean scum on you" ages ago and you never developed on that--as what I mentioned was CLEARLY just pertaining to that line and I mentioned the possibility of typos. Wow, you disagreed with me, Tierce is obviously scummy as a consequence!

Stretch more, I'm sure you can reach for the leg with bells on.

I read Aia YESTERDAY, just not today - and guess what, you were there yesterday, and I said you were scummy in it yesterday, but didn't pay much attention to it because you weren't in my thread. Today, you claiming you were switching by someone else threw me off a bit, and I HAD A MISSION to get SB-scum lynched. What does that have to do with my read on you?

I am not the only one to find your post the most terrific stretch ever seen; this response is especially hypocritical. What Yos meant was IMMEDIATELY apparent, and even if it WASN'T, your post made zero sense.

[Amrun]

whyyyyyyyyyyyy did tierce switch back :/ I wanted to vote her. Note to self: compare how many people here vs there were suspicious of Tierce.

[Amrun]

If all of my main day 1 suspicions were wrong, that would be extremely rare - and if SB was lynched without scum on it, that would be rare as well. My pick for the scum on that wagon is, obviously, rofclopter. Absolutely nothing about his play says town to me.

Vote: roflcopter

[Amrun]

what the actual fuck

[Amrun]

Tierce is the scum. Lynch it please. Leave Peregrine for tomorrow. Only person allowed to switch for now on is quadz.

This, actually. For Aia.

[Amrun]

Okay... I'm actually gonna read Aia now. >.> This is sort of pbp; it's just my reactions and things I feel like noting as I read through, so I'll spoiler it.

Spoiler: Aia

The net result was Vi voted you, and the Tierce wagon fell apart. Overall, nothing to take from it.
Since then, your wagon has vanished, leaving only projectmatt & Tierce voting you, but DCLX jumped on, but didn't do so while it would put you into L-1.

Reads right now without going back to ISOs:

town- quadz, me
leaning town-iam, Tierce, project
null or not sure yet-RedFF, Vi, implosion, Ludi
scummy-MoS, Korts, DCL

This is a good post, at least re: DCL. And DCL posts next, post 402, and doesn't address it.

But it really hinges on whether or not you buy that DCL thought he was putting redFF at L-1, and it read kind of genuine to me.

Find Tierce fencesitting in 407 scummy.

MoS has more good points re: DCL, but his rebuttal that he wasn't voting redFF because he was voting Korts kind of puts a damper in them, in hindsight.

And if everyone could be awesome and take a look at MoS' reads in post 410, I suggest you note that his only actual scumread is PeregrineV. He has projectmatt listed as 'null' and he said he had a gut town read on DCL, minus the redFF vote (which doesn't seem to imply he's nixed his townread on DCL). He also says that Korts is "null leaning scum," yet suggests we lynch Peregrine, projectmatt, or DCL.

This, combined with his attacks on DCL that were actually defenses of redff, look bad for MoS, despite my gut town read on him atm. Leaving Korts out of that lynch list despite the scum read? Yeah.

Post 512 by Korts is bad; good he got lynched already.

I confess, I only unvoted cause I wanted to be able to hammer. I never get to hammer.

VOTE: redFF

DIE SCUM DIE

Your lack of sarcasm here is a scumtell.

@Tierce: :whimsy:

Also, just so we're clear again,

anyone Portaling Tonight had better have a great explanation for why. As in, you should be lynching anyone on sight who doesn't have a great explanation.

So why aren't you lynching Tierce right now?

DCL's hammer thing reads as town.

Plum is freaking TOWN.

Vi extremely not redscum.

implosion too.

MoS continued defense of redFF after hammer makes him not redscum.

In 604, pm pegs DCL for scum if redff flips scum. Does he follow up?

Note: iso iam... Was he a threat? Why kill him? He didn't post much. Odd kill. Must check.

Plum 645 - Uh, elaborate?

Vi's 659 is an excellent reason Tierce is mafia.

Why do people suspect implosion again?

Read Aia through page 28. Will finish later.

[Amrun]

Finished Aia; doubt very much that PV will flip any sort of scum.

Having second thoughts about Tierce for a couple of thought-niggles that ate at me that I'm going to keep to myself for now.

Oh, but Tierce, doing a classic scumtell that is exaggerated by the game set up of two threads isn't nullified by you focusing on one team over the other in a different multiball game. Sorry. Doesn't work that way.

I kind of like M Ludi for scum now; resisted redff lynch in a passive sort of way, and PV's point about Shadoweh saying his play would blend in with his "regular" play is valid and I'd like M Ludi to respond to this. Plum's attacks on him did very little for me, though.

[Amrun]

Oh, for Aia -

PROJECTMATT, WHY DID YOU NOT IMMEDIATELY VOTE DCL AFTER REDFF FLIPPED SCUM OR ANY OTHE RTIME AFTER THAT? WHAT IS YOUR READ ON HIM?

[Amrun]

OKAY back from my weekend v/la but pretty tired

Going to attempt to catch up on everything tonight but in reality I am going to pass out

So, tomorrow!

[Amrun]

Okay, I'm caught up on the unspeakable stupidity.

Panzer - we need more from you.

In Shmugen's "null reads," only Lastsurvivor is someone I would lynch, and I would expect him to hide a buddy there, at least one, plus his lackluster answers. I expect a lot more from ls as town.

I don't like Tammy's catch up, either - I don't like how she says "crypto so funny, he so town," knowing peta eventually flipped town. That's a ridiculously dumb reason to call someone town (being funny) and she didn't make such a strong statement about ANYONE AT ALL that was living.

[Amrun]

Okay. I'm re-reading rofl and I don't like him as scum anymore.

Vote: Tammy

[Amrun]

"Not seeing a scumslip" = FL being town.

To be clear, I'm not voting you because your crypto town read was terrible. I'm voting you due to a combination of PoE and Weapons being the scummiest player ever. Your lackluster entrance to the game, atypical from what I expect from you as an enthusiastic person, doesn't help, though.

[Amrun]

Well, I've seen some people do it when they plan on breaking their town meta (like Benmage in that one game, whatever it was), but in general - never.

[Amrun]

Oh, it was Weather Mafia II.

[Amrun]

yup

Though it can become a slightly better defense if you provide examples of you doing x as town and y as scum. But even then. You're aware of it so. Still crap.

[Amrun]

MoS is still probably town though. Sadly.

[Amrun]

MoS continued defense of redFF after hammer makes him not redscum.

[Amrun]

I'm back. redFF is dead. I guess that's cool...I still don't have a good read on him but his claim was...lackluster. That said, I could see myself claiming in a similar fashion if I was town in his position, so whatever. I still think we need to look at PV, projectmatt, and DCLXVI...moving DCLXVI up a lot because that unvote/hammer move was deliciously scummy.

This is not what a buddy posts.

[Amrun]

Forming a town read based on a ridiculous reason doesn't make the read good if you happen to be accidentally right.

[Amrun]

......................................


oh how I long to post a reaction face

[Amrun]

Vote: Lastsurvivor

He is basically a scumfuck, plus a roleblock mmm. Also MoS is town, okay.

[Amrun]

oh noez

probscum tierce

avotin' me

[Amrun]

eh not even convinced you're scum anymore

but ignoring you because you're totally useless is not really ... whatever.


Btw, analysis coming in this game tomorrow or wednesday, had a humongous party and my guests just left about an hour ago, so I am way too wiped.

[Amrun]

Wait - what the fuck, dcl, how does it mean that? What am I missing?

MoS claimed roleblocker that blocked LS. There are no kills. It's not a guilty, but it's something that means we should lynch his scumfuck ass. He's scummy anyway.

It doesn't mean he's definitely scum, but it doesn't mean he's town. Why take the risk?

[Amrun]

Unfortunately, it is also you. 95% of your posts have been complaining about the thread switching. You've done ZERO scumhunting over here, and very little over there. But I am slowly coming around to the idea of you being town anyway.

[Amrun]

@DCL: If your logic is correct, then EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD IS TOWN and we should no lynch immediately. I don't know how that would work at all, considering no one switched over there at all, that I can remember, besides Tierce going batshit.

[Amrun]

I see no reason to assume that LS is town because a kill happened in the other thread. That is not sound logic.

[Amrun]

Yes, that's basically my point - it's not a really good reason to think he is scum, but he was suuuuuuuper scummy to me anyway.

[Amrun]

FaerieLord - quick, who do you suspect?

[Amrun]

There's no saying roflcopter can't be different-scum being wagoned alongside Tammy.

Yes, there is. He's not.

And that's your answer, FaerieLord. roflcopter is obviously not red, and he's not blue either, so he's town.

Also, as much as I do find the amount of complaining Tierce has been doing scummy, I do think she made a valid point today about vasta being a much riskier place for her today. It doesn't necessarily mean she's town, as scum keeping up a gambit would have a hard time just saying "oh lol it stopped," but ... idk, scum Tierce claims not to care about threats to her, though.

[Amrun]

I do agree that you're not red.

[Amrun]

In case of a redirect, Plum is far more likely.

[Amrun]

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[Amrun]

I didn't actually want a hammer. I wanted to see what lastsurvivor would do. You kind of ruined it, though.

I do want lastsurvivor dead, though, eventually, after Aia has picked their lynch. I have my ~reasons~

[Amrun]

Okay, ISO of Tammy slot reveals several things:

Non-red: Tierce, rofl, FaerieLord

Other of note: Mild coaching interaction between Yos and Tammy; mild defense of MoS

Weapons: NS-nonred, Tierce-red

Trollie: rofl-nonred, Yos on town list struck me as odd for some reason can't put finger on

p-edit: Magical unicorn read? lol okay. I've suspected him for quite awhile now, but it's hard to get anything from him and it takes drastic measures, so I thought I'd try them. Considering the much smaller playerlist now, and who it is comprised of, and considering the fact that MoS is already voting, I deemed it safe enough.

[Amrun]

Tammy (6): FaerieLord, Amrun, Yosarian2, BBmolla, roflcopter, Tammy
roflcopter (3): Mastermind of Sin,

Lastsurvivor

, Nobody Special

Here's another excellent reason to vote Lastsurvivor.


But I wanted to ask Tierce - what is your read on BBmolla right now? You're not focusing on him as you usually do.

[Amrun]

Well, I thought you were already voting. >.>

[Amrun]

Wagon build up makes Yos also unlikely red.

p-edit: It's not for you, MoS. It's for the rest. I mean I almost felt like actually making a case on him yesterday and was thinking he might be a better lynch than Tammy, but then I looked at that slot again and was like, "Well, no, this needs to die." So now it's dead and thanks for letting the lazy mode happen so I don't have to tryhard to get my guy lynched.

p-edit: Yeah, I meant blue just about all the times I posted red. I just realized that about 3 minutes ago. I wasn't even going to correct it because I figured you all knew what I meant. I think of mafia as red flips, so *shrug*

[Amrun]

LOL did it again.

[Amrun]

Every instance of red I've posted today was actually blue. It's simple.

[Amrun]

Unvote

Want to wait for Aia.


Also, lolvi

[Amrun]

Didn't see your unvote.

[Amrun]

Who do you suspect in Aia, Yos?

[Amrun]

Too good.

[Amrun]

@DCL: Besides being funny, what did you glean from Tierce's reaction to being moved?

[Amrun]

What reaction were you looking to find - town vs scum, DCL?

[Amrun]

@Yos: why no answer my question?