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Post Post #33 (isolation #0) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:03 am

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Sheeping reasons, blah blah blah.
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Post Post #36 (isolation #1) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:48 am

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In post 35, Salamence20 wrote:Quite impressive some ponies have "reads" this early in the game. They must be pretty experienced with Dissecting RVS.


Maybe lack of coffee, but this comes off as sarcasm. (The "reads" part and general uppity look down my nose tone).
Why are you trying to discredit and/or doubt early reads?
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Post Post #38 (isolation #2) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:06 am

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Okay, start off with why Godot?
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Post Post #40 (isolation #3) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:38 am

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I really am having a hard time today.
Rephrase, please.
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Post Post #44 (isolation #4) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:37 am

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In post 41, chamber wrote:You can just as easily be surprised about flavour from the mafias POV is his attempted point.

In this case Salamence, why Godot over Poopykins or chamber?

In post 43, DJ P0n-3 wrote:Wow, what a great lot of fluff on Page 1. Almost completely useless.

Agreed on Sudo_Nym. But why is Godot town? I got the opposite feeling.

I want to add onto this. Why do you [Charlie] mention that Godot makes a town looking post, but make no mention of alignment on Poopykins?
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Post Post #50 (isolation #5) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:05 am

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In post 47, ProsecutorGodot wrote:I'd like to see opinions we haven't seen much of at this point now that we have an actual argument going.


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Post Post #58 (isolation #6) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:25 am

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Reasoning has evolved, by the way.
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Post Post #71 (isolation #7) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:22 am

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Right now, all I see is him [Godot] trying to appease chamber, while also attempting to solicit opinions without giving any of his own.
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Post Post #97 (isolation #8) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:34 am

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And up goes Sudo on the scumdar.

I am going to assume you just misquoted where you tried to show that DJ was neglecting to answer who his main is.
Question: Why is it important if he does not want to out his mane (amidoingitrite?)? The follow up of needless deflecting is crap since the main point was crap.

Also, I do not see DJ subjectively defending Godot, but objectively pointing out points.

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Post Post #130 (isolation #9) » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:15 am

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In post 109, DJ P0n-3 wrote:I'm almost jealous I didn't get Salamence's cookie, except that it's for the same thing chamber was doing: nitpicking poor word choice on ProfessorGodot's part. Has that been exploited to catch newb-scum before? Of course. And I'm glad that unlike chamber you at least bothered to quote the whole passage and bold the pertinent section.
But like Tierce, one look at his join date made me roll my eyes at his wagon, and look deeper at the more experienced players on it.


Emphasis mine.
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Post Post #184 (isolation #10) » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:07 am

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DJ, in response to your corrected quote you say that everything around the Godot wagon makes you look deeper at the more experienced players on it. At the time Charlie, whom you are now voting, was not on the wagon.

Who are the more experienced players you are referring to and what do you draw from it?

Sudo, any progression on your DJ read/vote, or are you just going to let it sit there? I find it odd that in your vote post you would call DJ out on defending Godot, but have given no analysis on Godot. What is your read on Godot?
Also, the fact that you were blatantly alt-hunting and trying to paint DJ's lack of eagerness to out who he/she is is scummy. That fact that no one else makes note of it means either I am doing something wrong or .....?

In post 156, Tierce wrote:Of course I think Charlie is scum, DJ P0n-3--I'm voting him. Let's put things this way: I was Charlie's scumbuddy is the previous MLP, and had a concurrent game in which we were both town. This mimics his MLP-scum style much more than it mimics Mini 1290-town.


What of Charlie’s play has led you to believe that he is scum? I realize that you have said meta, but please expound.

In post 181, fatlikepig wrote:Given that Shmugen actually had game-related content in that same post and that he hasn't pursued that same train of thought, Trixie doesn't find this all that convincing at all.
However, Shmugen sitting on the Godot wagon without contributing very much to it is worrying.


What do you make of Salamence then, in regards to bolded? He has not exactly been the epitome of contribution towards said wagon either.
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Post Post #185 (isolation #11) » Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:25 am

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Addon to last post about Sudo: Now he is calling chamber out for fluff.
All in all, all I see is high noise:low signal.
Scum.

Don't know how I didn't add that in last post.
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Post Post #187 (isolation #12) » Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:05 am

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Yeah, I can see that now.
Still high noise:low signal.
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Post Post #188 (isolation #13) » Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:27 am

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Talking out loud at this point.
Is there a reason Rarity has not posted yet other than Rarity has not posted?
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Post Post #213 (isolation #14) » Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:46 am

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In post 200, Sudo_Nym wrote:True enough; I don't actually have a scumread on chamber, as yet. It just felt really odd to me that somebody could have a solid townread on chamber. But that may be a meta thing; I've been out of the game long enough that I don't know what anybody's meta is.

Trying to dismantle someone else’s townread by calling chamber’s posts fluff and then backing down by saying “meta” while not following up of your questioning of Salamence is scummy.

In post 211, Salamence20 wrote:But lurking for Godot has probably nothing to do with alignment. He's still scummy.

I feel The DJ Pony could be a good lynch as well.

Why? To both of the above statements.
Also, why are you sheeping Vi's reads.

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Post Post #216 (isolation #15) » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:40 am

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The fact that you have yet to articulate the reasons behind a Godot or DJ wagon, is why I think you are sheeping Vi's reads.
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Post Post #218 (isolation #16) » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:46 am

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ummm....my head hurts.

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Post Post #221 (isolation #17) » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:38 am

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In post 214, ProsecutorGodot wrote:For now, I'll see how this Salamence scenario plays out.

I did not see this first go around, as I was too interested in Salamence's response. Makes me flip my thinking on Salamence.

Still think Sudo is the best play, however seeing as it is not gaining any traction:
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Post Post #261 (isolation #18) » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:09 am

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In post 254, Sudo_Nym wrote:ProfessorGodot did the right thing when the chips were down and a step from lynch; he made a claim, and it was a good claim. VT claim is not enough to clear him, but I think the path of wisdom is to grant the benefit of the doubt.

Since when has VT claims given someone benefit of the doubt?
Is his benefit based solely on flavor, or....?

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Post Post #264 (isolation #19) » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:51 am

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I lied.
Lynch
Sue me.
Posting will have to wait until Saturday afternoon or possibly even Monday.
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Post Post #416 (isolation #20) » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:04 am

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In post 261, Konowa wrote:
In post 254, Sudo_Nym wrote:ProfessorGodot did the right thing when the chips were down and a step from lynch; he made a claim, and it was a good claim. VT claim is not enough to clear him, but I think the path of wisdom is to grant the benefit of the doubt.

Since when has VT claims given someone benefit of the doubt?
Is his benefit based solely on flavor, or....?

Still waiting on a response to this.

Smugen, in response to 277, I am using high signal:low noise as a catch all for Sudo’s play thus far. His stuff regarding DJ is fake scum-hunting. His attempt at dismantling Salamence’s townread on chamber by saying "How can you tell alignment when fluff" is bad. He jumped on Salamence wagon, counter wagon to Godot, without offering any explanation or analysis to the Godot wagon (Second time he has jumped into a Godot situation without offering any analysis on Godot). Overall, I am just seeing posts and think he is scum. Make more sense?

Tierce, why is Charlie scum? Again, you mentioned meta earlier, but you have not said how that relates to this game.

Further reading provides this, in which Charlie is scum because he ignored you all game and then harps on you about V/LA? Correct, or no?

Tears aside, I agree.

chamber, why swap sudo and Charlie?

In post 399, Poopykins wrote:Salamence is still a good vote, don't know why chamber is avoiding it so hard. Everything he says is lolbad.

Speaking for myself, I do not believe that both Salamence and Godot/Arugula are scum together. Saying that, Godot’s post leans me more towards Godot scum than Salamence scum.

Regarding Arugula’s entrance, still do not feel like he has given a legitimate read on who is scum and that his responses to both Salamence and chamber are OMGUSy.
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Post Post #418 (isolation #21) » Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:20 am

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I do not know if fat's disconnect is genuine or not.
Will wait until Arugula responds to say anymore.
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Post Post #420 (isolation #22) » Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:05 am

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In post 319, Salamence20 wrote:Here is my story of this game so far, feel free to lynch me for it, but know it is the truth.

I entered the forum and just RVS'ed. I was at work, so I didn't read the thread yet. I voted Vi because it was easy to type on my phone. Vi then asked me for my scumreads. I was shocked that she had reads at this moment, so early in the game, I had no idea how to answer it, so I decided to just lurk and see if I could get some reads. It was my second game in RVS and I still had no idea how to find scum from RVS. Vi didn't like this and began to vote me and stated a scumteam of chamber, me, and godot. I was sensing scummyness from Godot, and decided to vote him, as he was my only scum read, for reasons already known. Konowa tries to call me out for sarcasm, in which I tell him there is no sarcasm, and there wasn't.
Vi then agrees with my reasoning for Godotscum, I feel she is a good scumhunter, so I decide to go with it.
I decide to lurk until I get a feel on my reads. I asked Vi for her scumreads because I wanted to know why I was scum in RVS. I still didn't get my answer :igmeou: I see this way backlashed at me in which Godot was able to counter-wagon with the help of Sudo. I fear I may have put discord in grave danger. The votes on me need to move to Godot now. I'm sorry my discordians, but now I am here, and I plan to be here for a long time. Kill Godot, save discord, kill all friendship aligned enemies.

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Post Post #472 (isolation #23) » Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:41 am

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unvote;
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Sudo being scum increases likelihood of Arugula being scum.

More sense.
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Post Post #478 (isolation #24) » Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:05 am

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In post 277, Shmugen wrote:Edwin - I'm not getting any warning flags popping up yet. Most of the interaction has been with Chamber. Chamber, what do you think?

Going back a bit. Assuming this is Sudo?
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Post Post #500 (isolation #25) » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:40 am

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Two things I find off about the last post by Sudo.

1)The stark difference in tone in response to the same question, albeit worded differently, presented by fat.
2)This is the first time he has mentioned alignment on the Godot/Arugula slot.
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Post Post #504 (isolation #26) » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:03 am

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Would have been better served with a vote.

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Post Post #506 (isolation #27) » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:10 am

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In post 505, Rarity wrote:If he is scum, hes' made no real connections to anypony (not from what I can see- anyhow);


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Post Post #527 (isolation #28) » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:34 am

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In post 509, Vi wrote:Konowa, since you're here and all - what's your read on Poopykins?

Null. Charlie-Poopykins dynamic was noted during early game, though. Don’t know what to make of that at this point though.
(That is Charlie commented on Godot alignment but made no mention of Poopykins alignment for “same post”.)

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Post Post #528 (isolation #29) » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:54 am

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In post 446, Rarity wrote:Charlie makes a lot of "ehhhh" posts, but they don't feel scum motivated.
Shmugen has moved to "meh" from "scummy";


In post 507, Rarity wrote:Shmugen- I had a scumread on him before, but he's acted fairly town recently and I feel I may have misjudged. So Null for now.

Emphasis mine. This is the biggest nugget I get out of those two walls.
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Post Post #529 (isolation #30) » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:55 am

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@Mod and all: I will be V/LA from this afternoon until Monday morning.
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Post Post #532 (isolation #31) » Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:56 am

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Ignore 528.
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Post Post #595 (isolation #32) » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:28 am

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I may be going about this the wrong way, but wouldn't it make more sense to be voting Arugula at this time then?
If you are implying that DJ is chainsawing I would think that an Arugula vote would make more sense.

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Post Post #596 (isolation #33) » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:42 am

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In post 577, Rarity wrote:Scum (In order from
most to least
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Post Post #823 (isolation #34) » Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:56 am

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In post 649, Sudo_Nym wrote:Just to get it out in the open for information purposes,
I think DJ Pon-3 is the best lynch of the right now,
but Arugula and Salamence would also be reasonable lynches. Waiting for a vote count before I jump on anything, though.
In post 756, Sudo_Nym wrote:
I still think Salamence is the best lynch, really.
A lot of his posts have felt like opportunism, picking on the target of the moment, and trying to build a wagon on anybody who isn't him, with less concern for the actual target of such.

...

In post 730, Vi wrote:Let's try lynching from somepony on this list.
*Sudo
*Trixie
*BBmolla
*Arugula
*Shmugen


This post has me a little confused/concerned, especially considering the vote count at the time. Bordeaux wagon dynamics, just do not see it.

In post 706, Rainbowdash wrote:Vote Count

Rarity (6) - Feysal, DJ P0n-3, Shmugen, Tierce, salamence20, Pinkie Pie
salamence20 (5) - fatlikepig, Arugula, Sudo_Nym, Poopykins, Rarity

Sudo_Nym (2) - Vi, konowa
DJ P0n-3 (1) - charlie
Arugula (1) - chamber


In post 818, Sudo_Nym wrote:So you admit that your vote on 'Kins is OMGUS?

Were you not just berating Salamence for being obtuse? This clearly is a deliberate broad stroke.

Rarity, why the kids gloves with Sudo and myself?
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Post Post #856 (isolation #35) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:47 am

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Rarity, what I mean by is that for quite some time now you have been calling Sudo and I scum, but have done nothing to figure out anything regarding us. You have not commented on how I have been picking at Sudo almost all day. You are content with Sudo being useless. It just looks like you are throwing out bait for the rest of the game to see if anyone will bite. I am trying to see the town motivation behind it, and I am just not.

Smugen being on every single plus size wagon really has me going.

No traction on Sudowagon makes me sad. I’d be willing to lynch Arugula or Smugen.
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Post Post #858 (isolation #36) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:55 am

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Speak of the devil, yada, yada..
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Post Post #861 (isolation #37) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:58 am

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DJ, blinders off for two seconds.
Quick thoughts on Arugula, Poopykins, Salamence, and Shmugen.
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Post Post #866 (isolation #38) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:46 am

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In post 863, Rarity wrote:Naw, you misunderstand.
I don't think there are 6 scum in this game.
Of the scummy players on my list, you are sudo are the least likely, but are more likely to be scum than everyone else. With the two of you it's mostly gut, and the wording of your posts has made me feel a bit paranoid. Because of the fact that both of you have been heavily under the radar and you do not post much nor seem to have any sort of presence.

I do not think I have. I understand low on the list, but you have not even attempted to figure out any motivation, etc.
It feels like you are content with letting sleeping dogs lie until later.
Again, you are calling it gut, but you are doing nothing to ease this paranoia.

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Post Post #868 (isolation #39) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:14 am

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Wait....

So in the same breath, or two, you want to lynch scumArugula and call Rarity town for it but if not Arugula then Rarity?
Am I going crazy or are you saying that?
Please tell me I am going crazy.
It will make my decision to consume much easier.
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Post Post #994 (isolation #40) » Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:58 am

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Quick posting from phone.
Charlie is likely scum due to early game dynamic with molla.
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Post Post #999 (isolation #41) » Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:37 am

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You know, that's a really good vote too.
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Post Post #1006 (isolation #42) » Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:22 pm

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Rufflig, read fatlikepig D1 revolving around Salamence/Arugula wagons. Then reassess.
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Post Post #1016 (isolation #43) » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:15 am

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In post 976, Rainbowdash wrote:Vote Count

BBmolla (5) - salamence20, Rarity, BBmolla, DJ P0n-3, fatlikepig

Not Voting (8) - Sudo_Nym, Shmugen, Vi, konowa, Feysal, Pinkie Pie, charlie, The Rufflig

With 13 alive it takes 7 to kick somepony out of town.
Deadline is September 7th, 9PM PST

The mod is not a player in this game and thus cannot be voted for

If Shmugen and Brandi are discussing mod, then this should suffice.
Now my questions is, is Shmugen bad town or scum for bringing this up? I have been uneasy about Shmugen all game long. He practically sat all D1, until his vote on Arugula late. That would have been fine in and of itself, but then D2 the whole "Look at me push Arugula along" post really reads as scum trying to distance.

Now that I am at a computer I can go back and look at some vote counts D1. Rufflig brings up a good point regarding fat, but it was another vote count that had me interested. I'll go find it now.
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Post Post #1018 (isolation #44) » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:22 am

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I see. Apologies.
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Post Post #1019 (isolation #45) » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:47 am

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Hmm, vote count analysis is messing with reads. fat was a vocal counter to Arugula wagon all D1, pushing the Salamence wagon. Even though chamber asked the first question regarding Godot's claim, fat was the first to say it seemed legit (now knowing we have scum fakeclaims). The only time he mentions alignment on Molla D1 is saying that he is not-scum for now in 202.

Those same vote counts are messing with my read on Sudo as well.
I think DJ votes are misplaced, but I may be sipping too hard on the wine.

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Post Post #1024 (isolation #46) » Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:33 am

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DJ, if Rarity and Shmugen are not aligned together, what of Shmugen sitting on all the larger wagons D1 and then what I perceive to be distancing D2 with the "look at me push Arugula"?
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Post Post #1025 (isolation #47) » Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:36 am

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As an aside, for balancing reasons I think it is likely we have four scum.
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Post Post #1028 (isolation #48) » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:20 am

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Shmugen, what I am saying is that the "let's do something" D1, and then "see how I made this happen" D2 looks like bus and distance.
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Post Post #1031 (isolation #49) » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:34 am

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Would also like Brandi to explain fatscum.
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Post Post #1039 (isolation #50) » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:15 am

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@Mod and all: Will be V/LA from Friday afternoon until Monday morning due to work.
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Post Post #1051 (isolation #51) » Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:47 am

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unvote;
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Post Post #1089 (isolation #52) » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:30 am

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Family emergency. Will attempt to post later tonight, tomorrow at latest.
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Post Post #1106 (isolation #53) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:33 am

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unvote;

After agonizing over this all weekend, even though my read on Trixie says she scum I
really
can not believe that would mean three scum sat together in the same voting block for, what?, 10 consecutive vote counts.

Brandi, I asked earlier and maybe you missed it. Why is Trixie scum?
I remember being asked a question. I'll go find it.
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Post Post #1108 (isolation #54) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:18 am

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In post 1024, Konowa wrote:DJ, if Rarity and Shmugen are not aligned together, what of Shmugen sitting on all the larger wagons D1 and then what I perceive to be distancing D2 with the "look at me push Arugula"?

I had an unanswered question. Please respond DJ.

In post 1054, The Rufflig wrote:@Konowa: I did reread fatlikepig, but I'm not seeing anything. What did you see? And when did we learn that the scum team has fake claims?

I had a question unanswered.

I responded to this already in 1019. As far as fake-claims go, when Godot claimed in 222, to me that has to be a fake claim. Your predecessor, chamber, questioned the integrity of the claim, but Trixie flat out said it seemed legit. This however, is asking me to disregard wagon dynamics though.

Vi, why did you respond to me in 832 as “good point” but now you are ignoring said “good point”? Also, you asked me what I thought of Molla earlier, and I responded null, but noted early game dynamic between Charlie and Molla. Any thoughts on that?
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Post Post #1109 (isolation #55) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:03 am

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Arugula
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(4) - fatlikepig,
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Sudo_Nym (1) - konowa

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Post Post #1110 (isolation #56) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:10 am

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Shmugen and Charlie, for my money.

Sorry. That was supposed to go in the last post. sadfacefail
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Post Post #1111 (isolation #57) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:10 am

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Post Post #1118 (isolation #58) » Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:09 am

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Shmugen, explained here.

Charlie, first post he commented on Godot/Arugula making “a very Town looking comment”. He then proceeds to ignore alignment on Molla for the same type of comment, ignoring the intent of the post and writing it off as useless puns. Late D1 voting pattern combined with reads do not match up.
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Post Post #1119 (isolation #59) » Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:45 am

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@Mod and all: Will have limited access the next two days due to annual bar competition. Then I will be out of town with only phone access until Tuesday morning for vacation with the family.
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Post Post #1138 (isolation #60) » Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:45 am

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Wait, Trixie
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Post Post #1210 (isolation #61) » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:51 am

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unvote;
Vote: Shmugen


Don't like that no one is looking twice at Charlie. I will support Shmugen getting rope.
As for fat and Sudo, I just can't see scum sitting together in the same voting block for that long.
On the same note, I do not know what to make of DJ trying to have his cake and eat it too. (Implying that scum would sit together in a vote block for an extended period of time but scum wouldn't list scum in top three town list.)
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Post Post #1219 (isolation #62) » Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:59 am

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Riddle me this...what was the point of that post Charlie?
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Post Post #1232 (isolation #63) » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:55 am

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Pretty sure Vi is town at this point. I disagree with his preferred ordered of lynches, but with us being 2 for 2 so far I don't mind the "cleaning up the garbage" mentality right now.
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Post Post #1234 (isolation #64) » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:27 am

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L-1, btw
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Post Post #1278 (isolation #65) » Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:41 am

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Dodging.
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Post Post #1283 (isolation #66) » Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:26 am

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Ugh.
Still will not vote Trixie. Charlie or Shmugen first. Rethinking Rarity due to counter wagon to Salamence.
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Post Post #1284 (isolation #67) » Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:31 am

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Vote: Shmugen
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Post Post #1299 (isolation #68) » Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:47 am

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Posting on phone last night, so all I remembered was that Rarity was counter to Salamence. Looking more in depth at votecounts, I am less inclined to vote Rarity now.

In post 1289, Vi wrote:That leaves five people.
*Feysal
*fatlikeTrixie

*Charlie
*Katsuki
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This would be my lynch list.
If Rarity is town, I am most likely to vote Feysal.

Shmugen, you're at L-1. Who's remaining scum likely to be?
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Post Post #1301 (isolation #69) » Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:09 am

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I don't konw why I am surprised by that response.
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Post Post #1302 (isolation #70) » Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:39 am

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unvote;

Don't want to day to end without DJ saying why Trixie and Rarity over Charlie and Shmugen.
Feysal and Kats need to talk also.
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Post Post #1304 (isolation #71) » Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:04 am

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Same reason. I really have a hard time believing that scum would blockvote for that long a period of time. Yes, I’m still sipping on that same bottle of vintage. Sudo flipping town out of that block (Trixie, Arugula, Sudo, Poppykins) does not really change my feeling that much.
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Post Post #1309 (isolation #72) » Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:54 am

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Please tell me why Shmugen is town, DJ.
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Post Post #1311 (isolation #73) » Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:28 am

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Other than Trixie, who would you lynch today?
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Post Post #1326 (isolation #74) » Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:47 am

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Really want to hear from Feysay before voting.
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Post Post #1339 (isolation #75) » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:58 am

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Feysal what happened between yesterday when you agreed with me about the voting block to now with Trixie being in possible scum?
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Post Post #1392 (isolation #76) » Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:40 am

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Vote: Shmugen

This vote comes as no surprise. The recent "Poopykins pushed this on my D1" doesn't feel town at all. The fact that Poopykins flipped scum and given how weak the arguement was makes perfect scum motivation sense.
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Post Post #1409 (isolation #77) » Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:08 am

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DJ and Rarity are my only solid town reads. Going to go look at dynamics around Godot/Arugula wagon. Can't remember off top of head but im interested in Feysal's push on Rarity and such.
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Post Post #1440 (isolation #78) » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:06 am

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I know I haven't posted. Work and study all weekend. Now I have regionals for bar flair competition tonight (Wish me luck). Serious post tomorrow. Short post today.

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Post Post #1451 (isolation #79) » Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:30 am

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Haven't been feeling Mafia the past couple days. Charlie or Feysal would be my lynch preferences today. Moreso Charlie.
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Post Post #1453 (isolation #80) » Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:44 am

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Post 1118 briefly explains why.
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Post Post #1482 (isolation #81) » Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:51 pm

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As I said at beginning of day, Brandi and Dj are my only solid town reads. Charlie is most likely to be scum based on bad pushes on Tierce, early post regarding Godot/Arugula snd BBMolla, and overall voting on D1.

After that I can see why Trixie would be scum but am still having a hard time believing scumblockvote for that majority of time.

If Dj is town, I can see Feysal scum based on the D1 push on Brandi. Dj starts on Brandi, Feysal adds to fuel to it and then backs off while Dj continues against Brandi for the majority remaining of D1.

Kats, is probably town based on Godot play but I have nothing outside of that. The fact that he thinks Charlie is scum makes me think more town on him. Hopefully reolacement can breathe life into the slot.
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Post Post #1499 (isolation #82) » Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:46 pm

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Above post is shit.
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Post Post #1505 (isolation #83) » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:46 am

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It serves no purpose other than trying to buddy up to you by providing you "key" points. The fact that I find your slot town, MoI, and Kats wanted a Charlie lynch makes it suspicious to me. Also, point six is trying to narrow the lynch pool down by flavor, also scummy.
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Post Post #1515 (isolation #84) » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:18 am

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In post 1483, Charlie wrote:Overall, I think it's two of:

Trixie
Feysal
Konowa


In post 1514, Charlie wrote:Hey, I'm wrong! I'm not at L-1. I'm on par with 2 votes alongside a Discord aligned player and a Friendship aligned player! Yes, I do believe that this is the case. I wouldn't have in any other way.


In post 1501, Rainbowdash wrote:
Vote Count

fatlikepig (2) - DJ P0n-3, charlie
Konowa (2) - Rarity, Feysal
charlie (2) - Konowa, MagnaofIllusion

Not Voting (1) - fatlikepig

With 7 alive it takes 4 to kick somepony out of town
Deadline is October 8th, 11AM PST


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Post Post #1518 (isolation #85) » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:24 am

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I think in light of interactions with the Godot/Arugula wagon, unvote without questioning/mentioning the claim, and then hammer after the "everyone wants to wagon him at some point. fancy that." read is not town play. His push against Tierce is bad, attacking over V/LA, and when I bring it up in 1482 Charlie brushes it under the rug saying of course it looks bad after the flip, despite him saying that that is how we should be looking for scum (somewhere in his iso don't feel like looking for it).

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Post Post #1521 (isolation #86) » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:36 am

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All you've said DJ is his voting history, which obviously I disagree with you about given what I just said.
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Post Post #1522 (isolation #87) » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:37 am

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So now, is there anything else besides his voting history that makes you think Charlie not scum? I'm not seeing it.
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Post Post #1549 (isolation #88) » Mon Oct 08, 2012 3:29 am

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I have skimmed this day. I will go back and read and post thoughts in a few.
However, my first mini normal must go up first!
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Post Post #1550 (isolation #89) » Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:51 am

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Okay.

Before I respond to anything, I want Feysal to address why he believes this is LYLO.
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Post Post #1556 (isolation #90) » Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:28 am

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There is a reason why I asked. After going over things, I am more inclined to believe that there is only three scum left. This post is probably the biggest reason why. I’m having a hard time believing there would be four scum, with a cop only being able to find three out of the four. So saying that, I think Feysal’s appeal to possible quicklynch with DJ’s vote early on in the day is a perfect scum play (given the talk the past few days about four scum).

I don’t understand the purpose of the vengekill/dayvig question. Mind explaining so I can better understand so I can respond?
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Post Post #1562 (isolation #91) » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:02 am

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I still dont get it but dayvig would be Feysal (sure at this point that would be game). If not game venge would be Trixie.
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Post Post #1567 (isolation #92) » Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:04 am

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Im not voting Feysal because while I dont believe this is LYLO, yes I might be wrong and dont want to hand scum possible quick hammer. I think three scum in a fifreen player game is reasonably balanced given lack of PRs. Im not the best at setup speculation so im not willing to bet on it, however im not also appesling to fear like Feysal did. I know my endgame here is bad but I feel like I play much better early on (self meta so take what you will from that).

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Post Post #1581 (isolation #93) » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:35 am

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Okay so weekends are bad for me to post at the best of times.

I'm at work at the moment so I can not fully flesh out Feysal D1 regarding Godot/Arugula but if you read you will notice a complete flip in his thoughts when he put Arugula at L-2 compared to what he was saying earlier (part of it is buying the claim). Earlier says VT claim not likely to come from scum but in vote post uses claim flavor reasons as part of reason why to vote. Also when voting Rarity, who I think is town, pushes a point of why she seemed to be the only person who thought Arugula scummier than Godot (defending Arugula here by attacking Brandi over replacement).

I will post the actual posts that are pertinent after the Skins game today, so say 7ish EST. Meanwhile I encourage you to read Feysal D1 with what I have briefly laid out.

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Post Post #1593 (isolation #94) » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:09 am

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Yes I haven't responded with specifics from my 1581 because neither you or Trixie even acknowledged what I said. I feel like I'm the only one using scum flips and behavioral motivation to explain anything at this point. So even though I didn't say post 100 Feysal said X, I did explain why he makes the most sense as scum through known scum flips. Its not like Feysal has a lot of posts D1 to read anyway.
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Post Post #1596 (isolation #95) » Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:01 am

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My point regarding the claim is that he shows knowledge of the flavor in the later posting. Where was this knowledge in the first place? It's an inconsistent thought process that looks like he knew the fakeclaim was coming (part of the reason why I suspected you Trixie). Both of you readily accepted the claim without any second thought.
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Post Post #1597 (isolation #96) » Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:39 am

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Wanted to go back and reread Feysal in regards to Brandi and I think my point there stands. It still seems that he was using Brandi's stance on Arugula to attack her and push a counter wagon. There is plenty of scum motivation in this.

Since CES seems to have a strong town read on Feysal, I am interested in his thoughts on these points.
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Post Post #1599 (isolation #97) » Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:25 am

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Boring.

Believing an all town wagon with how bad Godot played is hard to believe.
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Post Post #1600 (isolation #98) » Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:30 am

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For that same reason, Trixie is likely town.
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Post Post #1602 (isolation #99) » Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:18 am

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It's not just the wagon analysis, but that combined with the points I have raised (which you find boring). What am I missing about these points that I raised that don't make sense with Feysal being scum?
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Post Post #1605 (isolation #100) » Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:38 am

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So deadline is just over 48 hours away.
I know I'm part to blame for this but we need to start moving in a direction.

CES I realize you said after studies, but if not Feysal then who?
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Post Post #1615 (isolation #101) » Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:00 am

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unvote;

Deadline is approaching, but I want to hear from DJ first.
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Post Post #1620 (isolation #102) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:33 am

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Alright, if I'm taking wagon analysis out of it, Trixie as scum does make sense given D1 play (wagon dynamics being the only real reason I was hesitant to vote (3 scum block voting for that period of time)).

Trixie was a vocal counter to the Arugula wagon attempting to push a counter wagon on an easy player like Sal.
Was the first to outright buy Godot's claim.

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Post Post #1622 (isolation #103) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:41 am

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I'm getting this real uneasy feeling that everyone is waiting on me even though only CES and I have said that they would vote Trixie.
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Post Post #1623 (isolation #104) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:43 am

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Meaning, paranoia, I don't understand why DJ hasn't voted despite believing there is only one scum left.
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Post Post #1625 (isolation #105) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:46 am

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Honestly, I thought Trixie was scum until I started wagon analysis. I WIFOM'ed myself out of the vote.
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PEdit: Really? I must've missed that. Sets my nerves a little more on ease.
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Post Post #1643 (isolation #106) » Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:06 pm

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Alright. DJ, who the fuck?

Also, /in for next if there is another
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Post Post #1646 (isolation #107) » Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:30 pm

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I'll do this here as well.

I want to apologize openly to RD for having to prod me as much as I did in endgame. You did a great job with design and modding and I want to thank you for the game.

Open question to players in game: I have realized my endgame sucks, what obvious improvement, aside activity, should I work on?
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