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Mastin is V/LA for like a week. Apparently he has dialup *shudder* and wont be on much because of that.
Desire to vote Roger Thornhill....rising.... But mastin told me to vote for one of the last people to confirm since they prevented him from participating in RVS.
P-edit: So I will hop on this bandwagon VOTE: Dumbledore
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In post 11, Roger Thornhill wrote:well, it's true that this is my first game. But when i said i have no clue i meant that i just want to wait a bit and see who votes for whom. it's a different strategy than yours. so deal with it. VOTE: no lynch
Why so defensive? I said you were probably town. Why vote for a no lynch as opposed to just not voting then?Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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Re 14 and 15: Didn't read the rules with respect to what? Bold tags? Roger, are you town?
Mastin isn't here atm, but he is in spirit. I actually just typed up a wall post calling you all scum with liberal use of 's, but I decided to spare you all from my bullshit.
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*insert cries of hydra dissonance here*
AP misunderstood. I will be V/LA for a week, starting on the 23rd or so. (Actually, on the 21st, since I will be prepping for vacation on Friday and Saturday.) I left on Wednesday just before the game was to open, but I'm still on normal access 'til tomorrow, at which time I'll become V/LA.In post 9, BirdAndBeast wrote:Mastin is V/LA for like a week. Apparently he has dialup *shudder* and wont be on much because of that.
So, yay, you get one day of me!
By the way, Roger's totally scum.
TML's scum with him. Discuss.Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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Feeling's mutual.In post 38, BirdAndBeast wrote:I think njoseph is town.
But AP, for the sake of not spamming the gametoobadly, you really should check our QT more often.Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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Tell us something we don't already know, TML. You're not earning townpoints with this post at all.In post 44, The Mini-Librarian wrote:banjo kazooie is town. (why does banjo look so angry in the avvie?)
lean town on nj.Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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You call reads, I call either buddying or active lurking. (Pick your poison. )
We're the two most obvtown players of all time, so of course we look town. nj's done a good job of showing why he's town as well, and we've already said as much.
So you echoing it does absolutely nothing new.Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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Okay, fine, but whoIn post 49, JacobSavage wrote:Other than that, I would have to agree with not lynching Rodger right now.dowe lynch, Jacob?
Suspects, now. You've given none.Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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Do tell.
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Also, this is a seriously newb/alt-dominated game. We have at minimum nine players who are not very experienced. The total number of players who I have no familiarity with is 14.
So, could everyone give me an idea of how much experience you have with the game, and where? (Especially on-site. On-site games are good.) And about how often you play and how recently you last played?Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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In post 140, Parama wrote:In post 124, PMysterious wrote:Hey everybody, I'm here. Please don't Policy Lynch me like many others are willing to do.
Okay, now I think you're scum.
He says that literally every game. Because he doesn't check to see if people are PLing him, but he assumes they are (they usually are).
I want to talk to Mastin before moving forward with a super serious post. I kinda want to lynch Thezmon221 though.
@Nhammen: We actually lean town on Librarian right now.
In post 39, Sixx wrote:Only reason that I'm not going to vote Roger is simply because this is his first game and I'm going to hope he learns something from it.
Re post 48: I thought this was scummy. Sixx is avoiding voting at all. And explicitly mentions a reason why he isn't voting for Roger. Just looked like an overjustification for a non-vote. lol.
How about we lynch scummies and whoever has vig shots can vig from the PL pool for excellent profit?Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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In post 158, Sixx wrote:I don't see a reason to D1 lynch him.
In post 39, Sixx wrote:
Only reason that I'm not going to vote Rogeris simply because this is his first game and I'm going to hope he learns something from it.
But you apparently DID see a reason to lynch him in post 39. What reason was that?
@Parama: Wahh wahh. Mastin's around. We'll come up with a sexy battle plan shortly.Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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Ehhh, I don't know whats normal for PM, honestly. He replaced out of a game I was in with him and lurked through 2 others. That is the longest post Ive seen him make. People like to PL him because he has a tendency to lurk.
His post didn't really strike me too much either way.
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AND HERE IS WHO WE WON'T BE LYNCHING.
AJ is townish. Dumbledore looks townish. nhammen is townish as well. ArcAngel is def-town, as is njoseph and TML. Baby Spice is town. Jacob is town. Johnny looks town. Killer Apple is town. Theomoaner's townish, as is unseencamo.Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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We are. Simple as that.In post 170, thezmon221 wrote:Sorry, "Bird" (As I am referring to both who are playing the role), but why are you obvtown again? Because you're a hydra?
Unvote,
VOTE: Thezmon221.Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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KILL IT.In post 173, Sixx wrote:My scum list is going to suck but since you're going to keep asking for it it is as follows -
Awesome list, I know. I have a pro-town list over a anti town list but that is again shifty because its D1.
KILL IT WITH FIRE.Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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Then join us on thezmon. If there were to be a dayvig, they'd take out Sixx. But since dayvigs aren't a common role, we can't rely on 'em. Thezmon today, Sixx tomorrow (or also today if there's a dayvig).In post 177, ArcAngel9 wrote:I am comfortable any of them.Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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Irony abound, Apple. You've yet to give a reason for voting AJ the Epic, and he most certainly isn't an inactive player, so that can't be your reasoning.In post 182, KillerApple wrote:Do you have a reason? I don't have much experience with large games like this, but wouldn't it make more sense to take out an inactive on D1, seeing as the first lynch will probably be a townie and the inactive players don't contribute much anyway?Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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Bumi is town. Ok.
Thezmon221 is scum and you should all vote for him. Here is why.
1. Over-justification of his votes/opinions.
In post 85, thezmon221 wrote:Irregardless, if you must know, I voted Dumbledore to put pressure on. Admittedly, I went through the posts semi-quickly
In post 85, thezmon221 wrote:Since Dumbledore hasn't even posted yet, I might as well switch now than later.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Rodger
He is clearly very conscious about what other people think about him. Lays down a random vote in post 59 and implies he has a reason for it. The he says that reason is pressure in post 85; which is pretty dubious in itself, all things considered. Pressuring someone that has yet to post? Why dumbledore then? Then he flips onto Roger whilst defending his old vote lightly to make it seem legitimate.
2. Saying/implying that we can't 'prove' he is scum
In post 87, thezmon221 wrote:So explain to me why I'm scum? Because it then looks like your "obvscum" claim isn't so obvious after all, nor your argument.
In post 90, thezmon221 wrote:So I ask again, why am I scum? Or if you like, you can refute the points I have had to reiterate.
In post 180, thezmon221 wrote:You've yet to actually answer one of my questions
This is an INCREDIBLY scummy attitude. It reeks of 'You cant prove Im scum! You have no reason to know Im scum! You can't prove anything!' Its scummy because he is trying to show he is town. The underlying tone here is that we are voting him and he doesn't see why (because hes clearly town and not scum!). Also he implies that we don't have a good reason and therefore he is town and we aren't answering his (clearly pro-town) questions about why we are voting him. Its scuuuuum.
Also more on this, he tries to discredit the case against him by asserting most of it is just sheeping and creating a silly strawman about us thinking we are obvtown just for being a hydra. Oh, and he accused mastin and I of active lurking which is flat out 100% untrue. Its just a discreditting attempt.
3. Lack of original thought. Looking at his ISO, I can't really point to any thoughts that look genuine.
~Bird.
Pedit: Librarian was the first person to call out Thez, lol.Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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Lolno. We're dead n1, bro.In post 212, Parama wrote:Bird is firmly a "I think he's town but I want an investigative role on him to make sure" read for me right nowHydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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Multiple times I was ready to comment on something, only to see that Arc had already beaten me to the punch. No way she's scum. Njoseph is pretty obvtown from posts as well. If a rat is present, it aint either of 'em, nor is it TML.In post 213, Aj The Epic wrote:When Njoseph and Arc placed votes, please tell me you at least smell a rat.Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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Pfft, you know it's true. If not for being obvtown, if not for having reads which are actually a threat, then for being annoying.In post 215, Aj The Epic wrote:Not even going to start on how Wifom-y that was.Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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Definitely possible.In post 221, Bumi wrote:I think Roger is town.Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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Which'd make this highly suspect, by the way.In post 151, StrangerCoug wrote:Roger Thornhill (5): Bride of Sadistyx, SoraAdvent, thezmon221, Parama, njosephHydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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Both of these are bullshit. She's clearly not sheeping, and she was clearly not rolefishing for a dayvig.In post 227, Aj The Epic wrote:I present two charges to her: Sheeping and Role fishing day vig.Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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There, was that so hard?In post 229, Bumi wrote:Personally probably Parama + Nhammen but nothing more than gut about it.
If you think ArcAngel was sheeping, you need to get better at reading sub-text.In post 231, Aj The Epic wrote:Go iso. 192 is obv-sheep. She makes no disguise of it. Basically "Good reason, here's your vote".
199, she's trying to draw a vig kill out. Specifically on Sixx. Whether she wants to control the vig, get someone to claim, or just set up an easy kill, she obviously stated that she wants to know if there is one. Well, there are only two ways for a day vig to answer that: Day kill or reply 'there is' or something to that effect.
If you think ArcAngel was rolefishing for a day-vig, then you need to play more games to realize just how stupid an accusation that is. Asking for a dayvig on a player, if any tell at all, would be town, not scum.Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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One need not have all players checked in to have confirmed townies to reason and work with. What you're trying to use to support your argument is undermining it.In post 235, Aj The Epic wrote:Asking to day vig a player this early when not everyone has even checked in is really bad in my mind. To me, the vig needs to operate on their own reads until they have a confirmed townie to reason with.Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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Bird here, swooping in to say a few words. Thezmon is scum. He is my numbah one target for the rest of the Day. AJ can go next for chainsawing and soft-defending the shit out of him.
Look at all that BULLSHIT. "EVERYONE VOTING ME W/O A REASON IS A SHEEP. AND PROB SCUM" "Oh except you nhammen, lets be bffs. Why are you voting me though, cant you see how frustrated I am?"
Nooooooooope. Stop right there criminal scum. What do you mean 'an ultimatum where you can't be town?' We are pretty sure you are scum and we are voting you. This is mafia. And Nhammen is conf-town the instant you flip scum.
@Unseencamo:
Spoiler:
@Thez: How about you tell us who on the wagon is scummy? Saying we have a bunch of sheep is just mud-flinging. What is your read on Parama?Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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@AJ, Heather and anyone else saying that We can't be trusted because we have sheep onto Thez. What the hell are you smoking / are you scum?
This is mafia. No one is right 100% of the time. Ever. No one is right 70% of the time. Ever.
Thez is saying scummy things and is getting votes. We made a case on him. I stand by anything and everything we said for suspecting him originally. And anyone blaming us for PEOPLE SHEEPING US and there being a wagon needs to either claim scum or get their heads out of theirs asses RIGHT NOW.
And why are you being selective? Did Parama/TML/nhammen not ALSO contribute to this? Just know that independent of the Thez flip, anyone saying this deserves a second look (Heather, AJ, etc).
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P.S: We are semi-VLA. Mastin is VLA for about a week and Im semi-VLA.Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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In post 295, HeatherA wrote:@B&B - please point out where I used the word sheep. You seem to be lumping my argument in as an exact copy of AJ's. It's not, if you would actually care to read my post where I asked you some questions. None of which you've bothered to answer yet, I see. What I see in you is a bully who uses intimidation to scare people into agreeing with you. Sorry, it's not going to work with me. I don't let myself get bullied.
What? Please point to anything Ive done that qualifies as bullying. Finding Qs...Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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In post 269, HeatherA wrote:@B&B - if you succeed in your bludgeoning tactic and lynch Thez and he flips town - what then? Will you actually reconsider your other "obv" reads to date? If he's lynched and flips scum, then I would have to acknowledge that you do apparently have some sort of scumhunting superpower - but right now I think you're just reaching.
Wow, really? I think that was one question, not multiple questionS. And it is a mostly rhetorical question at that. If Thez flips town, of course we will reconsider things. I have a reputation for changing my mind a lot even without flips being had. None of our reads are 'obv'. Its Day 1 and most people have 3-4 posts. But we work with what we have.
So to answer your singular yes/no question - yes.
Side note. In your 3rd post, I find it interesting that you say you think that Thez is town and THEREFORE you don't trust our scum-read on you. Do you not know your own alignment? Wouldnt that statement make more sense the other way around? (You know our read on you is wrong and therefore dont trust our Thez read?)
And yes, we are both aggressive. ITs just our playstyle. We like to get our hands dirty or else we feel we aren't playing as well as we could.
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Couple points I guess.
Re "Lumping people into scum bucket that oppose us": I said that at MOST one of you/AJ are scum. And I think PMyst is town. Mastin was nullish on AJ, leaning scummy if Thez flips scum and null on PMyst.
Re "Im not worried about you describing me as scum": Why would you be worried at all about my read on you? I just don't understand why town-you is spending so much of your posting speculating about how *WE* will look bad Tomorrow and therefore you aren't concerned about us calling you scum.
Re "being clever". I'm a clever guy. But, no. I play this game by trying to understand people's train of thoughts. I don't understand why you are speculating on OUR opinion of YOUR alignment holding water TOMORROW after a hypothetical flip. Do you have any reason to think Thez is town? Because, if not, surely he has an average ~25% chance of being scum, right?
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Wait one fucking second. Why did you put "reads" in quotes if you think we are town? "reads" implies that we are making shit up because we are scum. And yes Im definitely nit-picking now.
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@JohnnyFarrar: Its not so much that Im obvscum. Im obvtown when Im town. When Im scum Im just kind of _around_ and not obv-anything. My opinion. That said [snark] If I am obvscum as scum, why would I even need to sign my posts for you to see the obvscum? Derp [/snark]Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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Spoiler: Heather
@ Heather/Apple: Also, I made 1 (fairly succinct IMO) case for why we think Thez is scum. And one post saying that his reaction to nhammen was bad. How are we forcing ANYTHING down ANYONE's throat with a solid TWO posts about why Thez is scum?
tl;dr: IF you are scum, then ok, but otherwise what you are saying about us has been flatout wrong (about us calling scum anyone that reads town on Thez) and (Us not liking new players) and (Us preventing you from scumhunting). So if you are town then actually read the thread and stop wasting everyone's time arguing with someone you think is town and convince us to vote somewhere else.Hydra ofmastin2andAngryPidgeon-
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