Lord Patator Charlixion the 6th: game over

[pirate mollie]

HI ORC

[pirate mollie]

i thought nero was the 1 being replaced

why are you happy eager for him to get replaced?

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I haven't read the previous pages so I am not sure what is even going on lol

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are kanye and os scum

can someone just let me know now

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orc I am on p5 and I already think you are scum

[pirate mollie]

Why didn't you answer with a no?
Why do you think I am scum, Mollie?

that was after just reading this page. but then you say weird shit like this:

Your scum game has really detoriated, Hoopla. :/
You are out of practice

VOTE: Hoopla

and then I wonder if I am right!

but then when say, but when you make 'I wish people could read me' I think you might genuinely be town

[pirate mollie]

hd and molla are town

orc I really do <3 u but

VOTE: orc

I am on p8, still catching up but I am taking a break

[pirate mollie]

why are you guys voting for hoopla

[pirate mollie]

i didnt hate the idea of a hooplay wagon til u did that thanks for fucking nothing matt.

You should vote her anyway because I started the wagon and I'm prty good at slumba partiez.



Mollie, what was weird about what I said to Hoopla?
BB, I actually expected you to say that. I don't know why, but I did.

I think that is a sign.

I couldn't quite tell the motivation behind it. I haven't finished reading the game if someone could give me a tl;dr version that would be great cos it will probably to be in the night phase before I finish.

[pirate mollie]

chkflip replaces Nero Cain

woot!

plz be town

[pirate mollie]

So, my exhaustive and comprehensive analysis of Hoopla and her posts on the entire site has revealed to me that she is solidly scum in this game.

VOTE: Hoopla

Now, why no one believed me about Hirakari and him being scum, well. I have lost all hope in the Town winning this game, but I'm sure going to give the scum a battle that they'll remember for a very long time.

Also: there may be more than one scum team. You heard it here first.

oh good grief this post is so scummy I am like completely embarrassed for you for making it

[pirate mollie]

can someone sell me the case on matt I may move my vote

[pirate mollie]

Josh we didn't hear multiball from you first.

What does that mean to you?

Mollie are you even scumhunting? At least join me on the Hoopla wagon.

I am waiting for someone to answer my questions. pretty hard to fucking scumhunt when you are being ignored! I may sheep for the mere reason that you are at least trying to engage me.

[pirate mollie]

oi pirate

look at my post

or don't

anyways vote matt and i'll give you a nice visit

I read your post hiraki! can you give me a little bit else? you don't have to quote a bunch of posts or anything just a summary as to what he is doing that is scummy.

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Josh we didn't hear multiball from you first.

What does that mean to you?

Mollie are you even scumhunting? At least join me on the Hoopla wagon.

I am waiting for someone to answer my questions. pretty hard to fucking scumhunt when you are being ignored! I may sheep for the mere reason that you are at least trying to engage me.

I really wanted you to be town, but I guess all my wishes can't come true.

Well... None of them do because then I wouldn't ever be Lynched.

You are guilty of the same sins as Hoopla, not really doing anything to further a town wincondition.

Why do you need answers for reasons that people are being wagoned to scum hunt? I could understand if you specifically asked someone why they were voting, but you didn't.

I really enjoy watching both of you play too but now you must die. :/

I have been in the game 5 minutes

people are only just now responding to my posts

and I have fosed josh lyman

I fosed and voted orc who has a decent wagon on him

I gave out 2 town reads and I think I may add hoopla to the mix too. dunno yet, I need to interact with her first

where is this lack of scumhunting and not doing anything to further a town wc that you are accusing me of? so far I think I probably have the densest of content in proportion to the amount of posts so far.

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eta: also hiraki are you going to strangle me in my sleep? would it give impetus to your ardour to know that I haven't been lynched as town since my very first game on here?

@ kanye person

if you want some attention why didn't you just say so?

what is your case on matt. sell it to me

CHIKFLIP HURRY UP AND GET YOUR ASS IN HERE SO I CAN GET A READ!!!!

[pirate mollie]

where did you go kanye

[pirate mollie]

would it give impetus to your ardour to know that I haven't been lynched as town since my very first game on here?

You've made this clear in literally every game you've played.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

erm no.

put up or stfu

keep in mind you will have to quantify "every"

[pirate mollie]

well I am not going to argue that I can most certainly be retarded scum/town who is putting myself in the forefront and attracting a lynch.

it certainly is not intentional.

tell me more about your case on matt. just tell me where his scum motivation is (bussing, obfuscation, etc) and I can work from there. from what I read earlier you seem to have a meta tell and went 1v1 with matt, is there anything else?

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think thats the most effort i put into a single post in at least a year

I'm impressed!

okay I will iso him and will probably sheep your vote. I have only played 1 game with matt, I am not exactly his favourite person lol.

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oh fuck this shit matt is scum scum scum lol

I have only played 1 game with matt but he did something that really impressed me. he hit the game running and started off trying to find town and it was the first time I had really seen it on this site. it impressed me cos that is the way that I am used to playing and most of the people I play with. he was my strongest town read and I wanted to work with him especially since I was a cleared player and needed help. he kind of flaked a bit cos he got busy and I was frustrated so I pushed him really hard to get him to really work for a town win by calling his play terrible and saying that he needed to step it up. I guess I pushed him too hard cos he raged and said he didn't like me and called me a bitch lol.

I am seeing nothing like that here. he is not giving much out in the way of reads, the ones he is pushing are weak, his facetiousness looks like a smokescreen for lack of content and he doesn't seem at all worried about getting nked cos he certainly is leaving no trail in case he is nked that points town in the direction of his reads. he's scum

VOTE: mattp

[pirate mollie]

hey iceyrent

could you plz respond to this?

if you are not voting matt, do you think he is town? why?

could you plz look at this:

oh fuck this shit matt is scum scum scum lol

I have only played 1 game with matt but he did something that really impressed me. he hit the game running and started off trying to find town and it was the first time I had really seen it on this site. it impressed me cos that is the way that I am used to playing and most of the people I play with. he was my strongest town read and I wanted to work with him especially since I was a cleared player and needed help. he kind of flaked a bit cos he got busy and I was frustrated so I pushed him really hard to get him to really work for a town win by calling his play terrible and saying that he needed to step it up. I guess I pushed him too hard cos he raged and said he didn't like me and called me a bitch lol.

I am seeing nothing like that here. he is not giving much out in the way of reads, the ones he is pushing are weak, his facetiousness looks like a smokescreen for lack of content and he doesn't seem at all worried about getting nked cos he certainly is leaving no trail in case he is nked that points town in the direction of his reads. he's scum

VOTE: mattp

and tell me what you think? thanks!

[pirate mollie]

@PM

1. I have a townish read on MattP, but it's one that is highly relational with Kanye. I would currently lynch Kanye before MattP.

2. I think most of your "MattP is not playing crazy"-type things on MattP are pretty easy to explain away by the Balto meet. There are like 24 of us here, and new people are still arriving each day. This does not make him town or affect his alignment in any way, BUT it does mean that a lot of this "spooky changes!"-y tell stuff is not going to be very fruitful.

yeah, that's nice but that in no way explains this:

I am seeing nothing like that here. he is not giving much out in the way of reads, the ones he is pushing are weak, his facetiousness looks like a smokescreen for lack of content and he doesn't seem at all worried about getting nked cos he certainly is leaving no trail in case he is nked that points town in the direction of his reads. he's scum

I spent a week traveling in new york, toronto and montreal and I still managed to give out reads. there is no fucking way way kanye is scum but I am just going to go with that you are.

you are next

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eta: also hiraki are you going to strangle me in my sleep? would it give impetus to your ardour to know that I haven't been lynched as town since my very first game on here?

Does that matter if you aren't town?

I am town cos I am not listed in your scummy rols pm

[pirate mollie]

Oh yes I'm immune to all night actions and if I am on scum wagons enough times I unlock an unknown power

So feel free to target me but [:

Yeah he's town.

I really don't like Hoopla's Matt push from yesterday where he said something about overconfidence being scummy or some shit, it was something pointless that really wasn't scummy like that.

So I think Hoopla's scum, Matt isn't so much.

Just in case people still need some sort of reminder of why orc's scum, it's his constant stream of deflectory attacks after my early case, plus his "towntelling" with admitted exclusive purpose to towntell.

if this is based off of our role pm you should just chuck that out the window no way is myko going to design a game that can be broken like that if he did, he is a dummy and I don't think myko is a dummy

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eta: also hiraki are you going to strangle me in my sleep? would it give impetus to your ardour to know that I haven't been lynched as town since my very first game on here?

Does that matter if you aren't town?

I am town cos I am not listed in your scummy rols pm

Are you sure?

It lists you in my PM. Are we masons or something?

lol

you are adorable

[pirate mollie]

I'm actually older than I look

be careful overlysoul if you flirt with me I will stalk you

[pirate mollie]

Oh yes I'm immune to all night actions and if I am on scum wagons enough times I unlock an unknown power

So feel free to target me but [:

Yeah he's town.

I really don't like Hoopla's Matt push from yesterday where he said something about overconfidence being scummy or some shit, it was something pointless that really wasn't scummy like that.

So I think Hoopla's scum, Matt isn't so much.

Just in case people still need some sort of reminder of why orc's scum, it's his constant stream of deflectory attacks after my early case, plus his "towntelling" with admitted exclusive purpose to towntell.

if this is based off of our role pm you should just chuck that out the window no way is myko going to design a game that can be broken like that if he did, he is a dummy and I don't think myko is a dummy

No it was the ascetic/bp claim

why does that make him town

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I am thrilled that you are a dedicated game-reader and forum-poster despite your travels.

I am good like that

also the game started on the the 11th and balto started the 28. he knew he was going to be busy so why not dish a bunch of reads and tie off the game with a good list for people to work from? its cos he is scum that is why

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where am I erring

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The shift from 25 to 29 is atrocious.

MattP is a liar I'm a lie detector I chose post 33, lets do this guys.

45-48 are equally awful someone please tell me why this is still alive. Par for the course?

Anyone who thinks Josh is scum should think MattP is scum too for the 56-58 interaction.

Empscum makes sense but Empscum always makes sense. I'm afraid of him (?) or something.

67 QFT

69 is lulzy (see also: pot kettle)

74 makes me cry because he's still alive. Seriously, I'd use my dayvig on him if I felt like we can't just lynch him like a good town should.

PAGE FOUR AND BBMOLLA IS TALKING ABOUT HAMMERING ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING

100 is an interesting point; Hoops, do you still feel the same way or was this an in-the-moment thing?

108 should've been a game changer. This makes me think Emptown after all.

HAI DARTHE NICE TO SEE YOU ON PAGE FIVE (getout)

119 is just arrogance, like, beyond "hey I'm posting like Kanye West" arrogance. Very scummy.

HD's 123 is a let down. I usually expect more from him so I hope to be reading bigger posts later in the game.

124 is completely false, I've played with Hiraki enough to know "thread avoidance" (lurking) isn't really a tell beyond null for them.

P6 brings the HD-town I've seen before. DIG IT. [/SAVAGE]

154 is extremely forced imo.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand 174 kills Emptown for me.

188 I lol'd. Scum-tells are scum-tells because they have a chance of being true on a case-by-case basis and your flailing is so terribad I'm not surprised people are calling you town.

But I am disappointed in them.

Keeping 201 in my database for when I need-- oh wait I've already done that in this post. Whelp, le sigh.

211 fake "town-tell" is fake.

Bottom of ten and I'm tired of this game already. Ha, I kid. I love you kids. I've skimmed it on a whole but this is me giving an honest attempt to critically find something worth finding before this double-day business gets seriously misled. Early game IMO is the most telling of all. No?

http://rantsnraves.org/images/smilies/f ... -awgee.gif

talk to me about matt cos os thinks I am off of the rails I mean did you read his iso? look at just look it

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The shift from 25 to 29 is atrocious.

MattP is a liar I'm a lie detector I chose post 33, lets do this guys.

45-48 are equally awful someone please tell me why this is still alive. Par for the course?

Anyone who thinks Josh is scum should think MattP is scum too for the 56-58 interaction.

Empscum makes sense but Empscum always makes sense. I'm afraid of him (?) or something.

67 QFT

69 is lulzy (see also: pot kettle)

74 makes me cry because he's still alive. Seriously, I'd use my dayvig on him if I felt like we can't just lynch him like a good town should.

PAGE FOUR AND BBMOLLA IS TALKING ABOUT HAMMERING ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING

100 is an interesting point; Hoops, do you still feel the same way or was this an in-the-moment thing?

108 should've been a game changer. This makes me think Emptown after all.

HAI DARTHE NICE TO SEE YOU ON PAGE FIVE (getout)

119 is just arrogance, like, beyond "hey I'm posting like Kanye West" arrogance. Very scummy.

HD's 123 is a let down. I usually expect more from him so I hope to be reading bigger posts later in the game.

124 is completely false, I've played with Hiraki enough to know "thread avoidance" (lurking) isn't really a tell beyond null for them.

P6 brings the HD-town I've seen before. DIG IT. [/SAVAGE]

154 is extremely forced imo.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand 174 kills Emptown for me.

188 I lol'd. Scum-tells are scum-tells because they have a chance of being true on a case-by-case basis and your flailing is so terribad I'm not surprised people are calling you town.

But I am disappointed in them.

Keeping 201 in my database for when I need-- oh wait I've already done that in this post. Whelp, le sigh.

211 fake "town-tell" is fake.

Bottom of ten and I'm tired of this game already. Ha, I kid. I love you kids. I've skimmed it on a whole but this is me giving an honest attempt to critically find something worth finding before this double-day business gets seriously misled. Early game IMO is the most telling of all. No?

talk to me about matt cos os thinks I am off of the rails I mean did you read his iso? look at just look it

fixed tag

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Because he claimed something that can easily be confirmed by a role with an action

if I was scum in his place I probably wouldn't claim something so easily confirmed early Day 1 like that

from what I understand matt fakeclaims about as easy as he breathes. somebody with meta like that, you can never trust a claim from them ever. I do not think he should be in your town pile because of that.

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I don't have a read on him yet because I don't feel he has given enough content to really be able to read him.

I understand your points against him and your ability to read him, but I'm nt really buying it was a power play where he only had a little bit of time to lynch you.

Have you guys played with one another where the other is scum and was able to trick the other?

I think mollie's read is typical DGB activity red herring that yes, sometimes catches scum, but more often, catches town (see Fortnight)

Mat has been like this for the past 2 months basically

you have been assigned

to the NAUGHTY CHAIR!!!!

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I think mollie is using a weak reason to go after Matt

You have a more credible basis, Kanye

That's why I still think she is scum, but unlike hoopla, she's at least doing something.

what hell are you even banging on about here os, it is most certainly

not

weak reason. I am not voting matt cos of activity level, I am voting him for the contents of his posts. they do not point to a town wc, as in he is not giving out a lot of reads and is leaving his options open for later mislynches. <----- those are very good reasons.

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molla, chikflip and hd are lynches I am not even remotely going to pursue.

I like an orc lynch

will compromise on a josh lynch cos he never responded to my fos

still think matt is the best way to go

re: matt vs. hoopla wrt using IRL mafia meta. I am with hoopla on this for the simple we can't verify any of it for ourselves I have to rely on icy, whom I suspect and molla whom I am townreading right now. that is the key difference to using forum mafia there is no way to verify it for myself and I think it kind of goes against the spirit of the game to use info that not everyone is privy to when it has nothing to do with game design but that is like, just my opinion man

[pirate mollie]

molla,

chikflip

and hd are lynches I am not even remotely going to pursue.

why this

I like where his head is at

[pirate mollie]

mollie seems more passive than I'm used to

wat

how am I passive. I am mostly ignored except by you and os so there is not much to do and I am pushing on my scumread on matt.

why are you misrepping my play in this game.

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There's no evidence that it's insincere. There's no evidence either way so we should presume it's sincere.

How about the lack of any prior suspicion leading towards that vote, coupled with a lack of any reasoning with the vote?

THat's not evidence of being insincere. For all we know he's been keeping an eye on BB but hadn't enough to make a post about it.

In my last game with matt his thinking was very transparent

this. so much of this with a side of ketchup.

there is literally no one in this game that I can work with. only a few people get what I do in games and how I go about organising town and the only person in

this

game that gets what I do and knows I am a decent player is you and I have a light scum read on you. this post makes me feel somewhat better about you though so right now I am going to reach out to you and I am going to do my thing but I need you to be very close to me and work with me. it will help solidify a read and if we are both town it will give town a starting point to form some cohesion cos right now town feels very fragmented right now.

are you willing to do that

[pirate mollie]

aka your emp vote was garbage.

now you've got someone that agrees with your "read" on me so that's more viable to be fruitful.

lolplease

See this is the kind of posting I find mre likely to be scum garbage than town garbage

I watched chikflip sub into a very townie slot and somehow managed to scummify it to the core, lol. if I was not so sure about my nachoscum read I would have voted for him if I was still in the game but I knew nacho was scum. I replaced out of that game unfortunately so did not get to play with chikflip he subbed in when I subbed out (he didn't replace me) I would have stayed in it if I knew chik was subbing in but I was just very sick of the brewing bromance between 2 players it drove me nuts.

[pirate mollie]

I think mollie is using a weak reason to go after Matt

You have a more credible basis, Kanye

That's why I still think she is scum, but unlike hoopla, she's at least doing something.

what hell are you even banging on about here os, it is most certainly

not

weak reason. I am not voting matt cos of activity level, I am voting him for the contents of his posts. they do not point to a town wc, as in he is not giving out a lot of reads and is leaving his options open for later mislynches. <----- those are very good reasons.

I guess I just took your analysis of him for face value.
A lot of it seems to stem from the fact that Matt isn't really participating here

a lot of what I said are actual scumtells that are independent from low activity level. you can be a low volume poster but still have posts full of content.

it is the lack of content and the motivation for it that makes him scummy not the fact that he is a low volume poster

.

[pirate mollie]

Will now hear the cases on MattP, Josh and hoopla.

oh fuck this shit matt is scum scum scum lol

I have only played 1 game with matt but he did something that really impressed me. he hit the game running and started off trying to find town and it was the first time I had really seen it on this site. it impressed me cos that is the way that I am used to playing and most of the people I play with. he was my strongest town read and I wanted to work with him especially since I was a cleared player and needed help. he kind of flaked a bit cos he got busy and I was frustrated so I pushed him really hard to get him to really work for a town win by calling his play terrible and saying that he needed to step it up. I guess I pushed him too hard cos he raged and said he didn't like me and called me a bitch lol.

I am seeing nothing like that here. he is not giving much out in the way of reads, the ones he is pushing are weak, his facetiousness looks like a smokescreen for lack of content and he doesn't seem at all worried about getting nked cos he certainly is leaving no trail in case he is nked that points town in the direction of his reads. he's scum

VOTE: mattp

[pirate mollie]

Right now, I'm thinking Matt and Chk

I want mollie to get in here so I can talk with her

I am here luv

you are looking better

[pirate mollie]

mollie seems more passive than I'm used to

wat

how am I passive. I am mostly ignored except by you and os so there is not much to do and I am pushing on my scumread on matt.

why are you misrepping my play in this game.

why would you even respond to such a bullshit post?

okay this has been covered.

I have you, hd, molla and mebbe orc for town. thinking I am putting chik in there too. mebbe hoopla as well. that wagon was poorly timed for it to be town motivated.

not liking josh, hiraki or matt <----those feel the most out of step to me

[pirate mollie]

what do you think kanye

[pirate mollie]

Mollie I am willing to work with you
Why do you think I am actively trying to ignore you? That offends me on a personal level. If I am ignoring you it isn't on purpose and is a result of my lack of attentiveness

I still have niggling suspicions about Hoops, but her wagon went nowhere and I agree with the suspicions about Iec that she enumerated.
He was quick to come to Matt's defense which is what I found the most intriguing about his play

Josh looks like the only realistic option at this point. And it looks like I'm finally understanding what Sixty meant in that quote I read.

VOTE: josh

jesus christ

I SAID YOU WERE ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WASN'T IGNORING ME

do you find matt suspicious? if you do then why are you not voting him? if you don't then how does josh's quick defense of matt look bad?

if josh is town I think someone needs to sneak onto his wiki page and say, "player will make horrifyingly scummy posts, treat with CAUTION".

josh just moved to unsure with the speed of the bw

chik you are all over the place, talk to me. I liked your opinions in your big long catchup post I mean you actually gave some unlike scummy looking matt. what is your opinion on matt

[pirate mollie]

aka your emp vote was garbage.

now you've got someone that agrees with your "read" on me so that's more viable to be fruitful.

lolplease

See this is the kind of posting I find mre likely to be scum garbage than town garbage

I watched chikflip sub into a very townie slot and somehow managed to scummify it to the core, lol. if I was not so sure about my nachoscum read I would have voted for him if I was still in the game but I knew nacho was scum. I replaced out of that game unfortunately so did not get to play with chikflip he subbed in when I subbed out (he didn't replace me) I would have stayed in it if I knew chik was subbing in but I was just very sick of the brewing bromance between 2 players it drove me nuts.

So calibration on my end?

I mislynched Chk once before and was about to mislynch him another time, but that was fairly early in my career and I feel like I can read him better now.

The downplaying of his opinion and frustration seems faked and from a scummy angle

And he avoids me like the plague
You don't put Chk in your town bloc so I appreciate you reconsidering because he's not town I think

okay I will leave him out unless I get a really good read. problem is I have no baseline cos I have never played against him as scum I just know he can look kinda scummy as town.

eta: orc, I know, that is why his lynch can wait

[pirate mollie]

Moll:
Sorry I got the impression that you were being passive because I didn't catch up completely and your last few posts looked that way to me.

I think we need to sort out Chk and you need to explain to me why he's town other than "he's usually scummy". Talk to me about why I'm wrong wrt this game specifically

Why hiraki

hiraki is a tough read to explain. in titanium he came in strong and actually did something that reminded me of what my very first mentor used to do as scum in games which is to teach people how to catch scum. then he skated for the rest of the game and everyone let him. I had him as scum, moved him to town at one point then moved him back to scum with the subtle ease in which he pushed my lynch.

he play here is definitely different but I want him more engaged, I have seen what he can do when he flies under the radar, hence my push.

talk to me about matt

[pirate mollie]

Okay

But using that same logic Matt also has instances of demotivated tkwnie

show me a game where he didn't give out town reads

not leading town isn't scummy. not giving out reads is

[pirate mollie]

vote orc

you were treating orc as town like 5 minutes ago

can you give me your reads

[pirate mollie]

Was he town or scum in titanium? I assume the latter

During the short time I was here I think hiraki looked pretty townie for his (misguided) efforts to break the game

I don't know. It seemed so stupid I don't feel scumraki would've done it. Typically scum want to make boring and stereotypically townie posts to avoid attracting attention, yeah?

sometimes

lets talk about matt

[pirate mollie]

orc and kanye I am most interested in who is in your town pile, fyi

you too chik

[pirate mollie]

why not molla and hd

the only thing I did not like about hd was his reasons for giving matt a town read cos it was terrible

the molla/matt cross-reference to IRL should be ignored IMO.

os worries me

[pirate mollie]

strong town

Matt

Hoops

Iecerint

HD
Overtoast

chaotic neutral
mollie
molla
empking

if chik flips scum then these should be looked at

chik, how do you have a strongtown read on matt but somehow have no read on kanye? also orc isn't in there either

isn't that who you are interacting with

is your vote still on him

why no scum reads

[pirate mollie]

Okay

But using that same logic Matt also has instances of demotivated tkwnie

show me a game where he didn't give out town reads

not leading town isn't scummy. not giving out reads is

orc

[pirate mollie]

Those are town and slight-town reads, the rest are either null- or scum-reads. I'll need a little more time/interaction to get more solid reads.

I've played with matt and not played with Yeezy.

My vote's on Lyman. I've never really had the energy to champion a lynch on my own and, quite honestly, I don't want to waste my vote this close to DL.

okay

so you have played with all the players in your town to leaning town pile?

[pirate mollie]

Okay

But using that same logic Matt also has instances of demotivated tkwnie

show me a game where he didn't give out town reads

not leading town isn't scummy. not giving out reads is

Okay I can live with that

I can lynch Matt

But id rather we figure out more of this village before we do

okay I am there with you

[pirate mollie]

IIRC the only ones I haven't played with are Yeezy and Lyman.

wasn't josh in posh for like a second

[pirate mollie]

so what is your opinion on kanye I mean like you said you read the game and gave a great post but how do you have no read on kanye

[pirate mollie]

If he was he wasn't a substantial portion AND I DIED N1 lewl.

Kanye's a toss-up. He's saying he isn't being arrogant but a lot of his posts regarding himself come off like that. I'm just sort of giving him the benefit of the doubt and waiting it out before I lay my final verdict out. Him having an enormous scum reads list is questionable to say the least but at the same time it doesn't read like he's lining up lynches

it just reads like he doesn't have a core set of town reads. So, basically, right now I'm leaning scum but I'm not entirely sold just yet.

I am not following this cos I don't see how arrogance is alignment indicative it is prolly a personality trait. for instance I am horribly arrogant as both town and scum

wrt the bold: okay yabbut he did post a core list of town reads. it was me, orc and somebody else.

[pirate mollie]

orc come back to me

I liked what we were doing

[pirate mollie]

I am not following this cos I don't see how arrogance is alignment indicative it is prolly a personality trait. for instance I am horribly arrogant as both town and scum

wrt the bold: okay yabbut he did post a core list of town reads. it was me, orc and somebody else.

Yeah, leaving EVERYONE ELSE to possibly be scum? Doesn't seem like he's trying very hard to pinpoint scum.

Perhaps I've just not played with Yeezy enough it really read to me like it was some sort of joke account and that was his gimmick. That aside I think what I mean to say here is that I'm not seeing the town intent in his posts. Like, really, what was the town intent in saying he could self vote to derail his own wagon as scum? Doesn't read right to me.

are you being serious with this post or are you scum trolling me

cos I can't tell

matt has given fewer than 3 town reads jesus christ just vote him already if you are going to pursue that line of thought and spin from an axis where scum don't give out town reads

kanye is at least pursuing his, testing waters, and sussing people out while matt has not done shit but oh wait it is balto but that only explains his activeity level not the lack of reads

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: chikflip

[pirate mollie]

I never said scum don't give out town reads. I said he gave so few that he's got quite the large bucket of fish to choose from and will be opportune to line up lynches as he sees fit.

And I'm used to MattP being in-and-out of games like this. He did the same thing in Posh, didn't he? And what did he end up flipping? Oh okay.

p.s. "played with" should read "interacted with" d'oh

he gave out a shit ton of accurate reads early and fast in posh. that is what I was impressed with. he isn't doing it this game

you are such scum chik aren't you

[pirate mollie]

im pretty convinced however that josh, orc, pv and iec are scum. im reconsidering matt for reasons im not going to talk on at the moment. everyone else is some shade of extremely skeptical to quite possibly scum.

mollie why do you keep insisting that im town reading orc when ive made it pretty clear i think hes scum?

wat are you even babbling about

[pirate mollie]

okay, sorry kanye didn't mean to misrep you

okay well you 2 are

my

town reads

[pirate mollie]

matt and chik are in my crosshairs right now

[pirate mollie]

josh too, I just don't like the speed of his lynch with not a lot of discussion but hey, sometimes speed lynches yields results

[pirate mollie]

he gave out a shit ton of accurate reads early and fast in posh. that is what I was impressed with. he isn't doing it this game

you are such scum chik aren't you

Uhhh I explicitly stopped giving out any reads when I became disinterested

you gave uber goober a strong town read in your wake so don't even. it carried him through the game

I gave reads here until I became disinterested, the only striking difference is that I became disinterested there day 2 so there were more reads to give out, whereas here it was about page 10.

then why are you even in this game?

Why are you ignoring my claim?

your ascetic claim? tbh I don't trust your claims.

face the meta music

[pirate mollie]

matt if you are town just me clear signal pretty plz

I am like begging you cos otherwise I will push for your lynch like there is no tomorrow and I sincerely do not want to do that if you are town

[pirate mollie]

*give me

[pirate mollie]

Oh yes I'm immune to all night actions and if I am on scum wagons enough times I unlock an unknown power

So feel free to target me but [:

this one?

cos I find it hard to wrap my mind around that myko would design a game that went through review that could be broken so easily.

smart scum would push everything out in the open early

and not give a bunch of reads

and not try to find town. cos you aren't

[pirate mollie]

I'm going to probably be the lynch, so I'll actually real-claim

I'm an ascetic. I can only be targeted by the NK. I lied and said I was immune to NKs early game

I actually drew Ascetic in Greater Idea Mafia at my current meet and had to ask the mod what it did and then afterwards realized it was my role in this game and was like "Oh my god I'm an idiot". The reason why was specifically because I realized it was my role in this game and I shouldn't have forgotten it's action. BBmolla and Iecerint can literally confirm this was my reaction.

I don't have time to majorly invest right now to this game because of this meet but yeah

not buying it

does it make your milk curdle

[pirate mollie]

matt can you do me a favor? its pretty obvious theres not enough traction for you to get lynched today, so can you stop playing like youre facing a lynch? be a little proactive and work with us here? if youre actually town make me start town reading you, tell me what you think of my reads, help me out here where i wouldnt mind lynching half the fucking game.

I'm not talking about this because I think I'm going to be lynched, I'm checking if PM is stupid or scum? Is this the real life or is this just fantasy

hi matt. hi

have a seat



I am neither stupid or scum.

why is it scummy to not believe your role claim especially when you have a history of fake claiming? is cos you said for realz? does not automatically buy my confidence. I pretty much have made up my mind to dismiss any claim you make cos I think fakeclaimed 5 different roles in posh, so yeah, I tend to not pay any attention to them. but I guess when I think about it your role is verifiable so there are other ways to sort you I guess.

I was thinking that scum would receive a copy of the role pm in order to avoid game breakage so it would be easy for smart scum to breadcrumb from it early in order to appear more town.

I like that you did post town reads and you are reaching out to players on that list. <---- you are backing up words with action so you get town points for that.

UNVOTE: matt

I am moving you to unsure leaning town for now. who stayed on the fringes of yours and kanye's spat?

[pirate mollie]

MattP and Hiraki should seriously stop wasting their votes, we're not lynching neither of those people today.

Josh, myself, Hoops, or Orc. Please make you decision soon so we can bring this pool down to two or three if at all possible.

what do you got on orc. I have him as town just by the way he felt during our in real time exchanges. he felt townish. I didn't like his entrance in the game and that will probably stay in the back of my mind for a bit. I am going to keep him real close for that reason like so close you will smell my cherry blossom body spray on him. if he is scum he will slip up at some point.

what is the dealio on hoops I asked for a case from the people who were voting him and never got one so what is it exactly that you are seeing there? josh I totally get and would be willing to compromise on him I just think it seems too easy and I would rather take out the head before the ass. (not calling you an ass josh, it is just a figure of speech)

[pirate mollie]

The splendid Pirate Mollie replaces Mothrax. Thank you very much, mollie!

You're fucking kidding me.

The OP hasn't been updated

Also that's more reason to vote the slot, PM is scum I've pretty positive.

erm, no.

why are you so hot and bothered to get me out of the game matt?

also last time I saw a vote like that I was the gm at ratskep and it came from scum.

lazy scum. like how matt has been lazy this entire game.

changing my unsure town read on you. you are now just unsure

can someone PRETTY PLEASE WITH SUGAR ON TOP sort him out tonight. if he claims a different role if caught out then for the love of god lynch him.

tbh I would just rather lynch him he is doing that thing that scum always do on this site which is to push a lynch on me for amazingly stupid reasons. it hardly ever works and always winds up backfiring you would think they would learn by now

[pirate mollie]

Now she has entrenched herself among the town and it will be very difficult to actually tell if she is scum or not, let alone with who

Her push on me was too easy, she's not of this world, vote her off the island

Mothrax is equally as terrible

how was push on you "easy"?

[pirate mollie]

eta: especially since kanye has been trying to get you lynched all game and it wasn't going anywhere

[pirate mollie]

I am not done hiraki

also thinking about matt's role claim an ascetic doesn't really make sense as town really. I mean my role pm is unclear about if the power that I can potentially unlock is one I will all the time or if it is a one off. plus the fact that we have to unlock our powers which already hinders town and puts us at a disadvantage and having a town ascetic would be an even bigger liability.

^ this where my thoughts were last night when I told matt that I did not buy his claim and if it made his milk curdle.

[pirate mollie]

hiraki what is your read on me cos you actually have experience with me as town and scum and I don't think anybody else in this game has

[pirate mollie]

Bit conflicted.

Who did you replace again?

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[pirate mollie]

Bit conflicted.

Who did you replace again?

[pirate mollie]

I am not done hiraki

also thinking about matt's role claim an ascetic doesn't really make sense as town really. I mean my role pm is unclear about if the power that I can potentially unlock is one I will all the time or if it is a one off. plus the fact that we have to unlock our powers which already hinders town and puts us at a disadvantage and having a town ascetic would be an even bigger liability.

^ this where my thoughts were last night when I told matt that I did not buy his claim and if it made his milk curdle.

My ascetic ability was distinctly different from my ability to gain a new potential power

How about this: scum obviously knew coming into this game the situation regarding hidden powers. It may be lucrative to see what reactions to us all talking about it seemed contrived

I agree

yours did

[pirate mollie]

Now she has entrenched herself among the town and it will be very difficult to actually tell if she is scum or not, let alone with who

Her push on me was too easy, she's not of this world, vote her off the island

Mothrax is equally as terrible

how was push on you "easy"?

[pirate mollie]

either that or hd is a liar but why not a more believable lie then

I have never seen role like this before and tbh I am wondering at the usefulness of it. but it would be weird to make something like that up? Idunno I am not impressed with hd this game AT ALL!!!

kanye, I am not ready to go on a matt diet yet I still think he is scummy. I am sticking with my molla town read. I am back to being sus of orc cos I think orc can be comfortable as scum getting close to me and then moving on to secure a town read from kanye. he is more interested in what people think about him than scumhunting. <------- best lynch IMO. I think I am back to liking chik, I like where his head is at and the flow of his thoughts match my own.

[pirate mollie]

Relax, mollie. If I were scum, I would be more concerned about what people think of me--so I wouldn't be /openly/ be interested in what people think of me. Read that sentence a couple times, I couldn't find a better way to word it.

this doesn't look like self-meta-ing wifom at all

/end sarcasm

I've always found it important that my town reads have a correct read on me.

hhhmmm....

968: Okay. Talk to me when you're ready to push my lynch.

okay

Mollie: Good to know that you like where chk's head is at based on this post

Dat PerV-wagon. I'll look up what the case was (cba to remember) and come back.

so what do you find scummy about it. like yes, I am asking you to explain yourself cos I want see what internal processing around this looks like. cos I don't find it scummy

[pirate mollie]

oh yeah. i need people to explain molla town to me. PLease.

it is a weak town read for now. but it is there in the few pages I read. in my experience and I was scum against him in 2 games and he was (don't be mad molla) but a very easy mislynch. lynched him as doc in a game and it cost us the game. from both perspectives his play is consistent with what I am seeing here. but I have been in a game where he was scum so the read is based on consistency of play until I can get a better baseline to gauge where his actual thought processes lie.

I have never seen role like this before and tbh I am wondering at the usefulness of it. but it would be weird to make something like that up? Idunno I am not impressed with hd this game AT ALL!!!

it makes sense as a role for when you have fucked up shit going on thats completely nonstandard and you want the town to have a way to get that idea without having to explain it in the opening public setup information.

okay. but # of scum is not a guiding point and does not give much info considering what we already know: people get powers for their choices on a lynch target. would it be nutty to say that scum may have a restriction too? hd did check and a point in his favour that he has pointed out that the game was not labeled as bastard.

[pirate mollie]

so where is iceyrent

[pirate mollie]

either that or hd is a liar but why not a more believable lie then

I have never seen role like this before and tbh I am wondering at the usefulness of it. but it would be weird to make something like that up? Idunno I am not impressed with hd this game AT ALL!!!

kanye, I am not ready to go on a matt diet yet I still think he is scummy. I am sticking with my molla town read. I am back to being sus of orc cos I think orc can be comfortable as scum getting close to me and then moving on to secure a town read from kanye. he is more interested in what people think about him than scumhunting. <------- best lynch IMO. I think I am back to liking chik, I like where his head is at and the flow of his thoughts match my own.

It was called a Census Taker in Paintball mafia.

You should vote Hoopla.

why should I vote hoopla

[pirate mollie]

well I thought it was funny

my homesite has weird rules like you cannot say that "daveh is a child molester" cos daveh is a member and that would be bad but you can say, "I wanna a daveh is a child molester popsicle" in the middle of a discussion about field biology. I blame the lawyers. anyways we are no longer allowed to tell each other to kill themselves cos someone joked and said that it made them smoke more or something and since smoking is a passive form of suicide we are no longer allowed to say it cos it isn't nice. now we are coming up with creative ways to tell people to kill themselves but not actually say it. if you guys can help me out with that would be great.

[pirate mollie]

Jump into a snake pit. Seek out the Devil. Fall asleep and don't wake up. Rockclimb with twine. Go play in the road. Drink bleach.

Swallow your ego's worth of vikodin

. Find Heath Ledger. Pull a Kurt Cobain. Play baseball with a bee hive. Take a nap in a guillotine.

Too easy.

I may even sig this on there and pretend that I came up with it so people will think I am clever.

what are your reads right now, chik and what do you think of the lack of a nk

[pirate mollie]

I didn't notice the vote manipulation either.

perv can you give a list of your reads?

I am not liking iceyrent or hoopla's driveby posts

[pirate mollie]

lol, I feel as lost with these roles as I did in adventure time.

I have seen a vote thief and a doublevoter not an engineer manipulator cop pgo or whater hell else the role imples. y'all come up with some strange roles on this site

even for the wifom benefit I don't see why scum would choose to do it now without laying out groundwork for a lead wagon to push so that the vote would actually make a difference. and matt I have really been trying to go on a matt diet to give you some space but you jumping to it being a wifom way to save perv does not make much sense to me.

[pirate mollie]

Tell me why you think chkflip was self voting

well I was starting to wonder if it was a mod error or something? cos chik flat out said he did not self-vote so why are you even entertaining that I would think that was a reason

myko could you plz clarify that the vc is accurate tia

and you are like super jumpy to point out that it HAS to be a save somehow on perv and not even exploring other possibilities. wtf is up with that. I could see scum using it now to push a perv lynch through gee who does that remind me of. I mean they could use it to take advantage of what is clearly apathetic town cos no one else right now but me, you and kanye is really consistently paying any attention to the game.

what do you think of hoopla and iceyrent. I didn't find hoopla to be scummy in those exchanges earlier on d1 mebbe I need to read them moar. perv looks sus to me cos of the weaksauce hoopla push when I know he is capable of better. what I am saying is that I would think that scum would have used that power in a more strategic way, it seems clunky and like a waste.

[pirate mollie]

even for the wifom benefit I don't see why scum would choose to do it now without laying out groundwork for a lead wagon to push so that the vote would actually make a difference. and matt I have really been trying to go on a matt diet to give you some space but you jumping to it being a wifom way to save perv does not make much sense to me.

also im pretty sure that were not implying it was a wifom way to save matt

, rather that it was a way to lock down a vote that would likely be moving to pv very soon before it could. meaning wed have to convince another person whos not reading the thread that they need to vote pv.

what?

I don't understand this at all

I thought the argument was to save perv, not matt.

[pirate mollie]

btw before you ask matt let me explain it 2 u like this:

remember d1 war in hell?
our d1 in this game has me reprising the role of matthew, youre tierce and iece is lambdy delta.

I think iceyrent is scum

[pirate mollie]

if you wanna talk about why mollies possibly scum read like her first 10 posts and also these ones. thatll get a lot more traction with me than throwing 1030 around.

Anything "town" she's doing is just town because it's derpy. Please see below where I explain to PM the post you JUST quoted, was irrational and weird. She is not thinking with a town mindset, she's clearly throwing accusations out that have little thought/ scumhunting backing them up

I am not being derpy. I am asking legit questions and I AM scumhunting. do you know what commonality I have found on this site? scum like to paint me as stupid, derpy or scum without qualifying their reasoning with anything that makes sense. they make a statement like "mollie is

this

" and expect it to fly and I am continually amazed at how many people who do. mebbe someone can explain it to me in postgame.

also I have put way more thought in this than you. take

that

.

if scum win it won't be because scum was any good it will be because over half the player list isn't even playing and except for a few players town sucked.

I asked you about icerent and you ignore me but answer kanye. okay well I guess at least it is answered. how about answering about hoopla.

[pirate mollie]

I wasn't JUMPY, I was pointing out the only rational theory. And so now I ask YOU, what is YOUR theory for chk's self vote? You're calling my theory jumpy and implying it was irrational yet you're asking the mod if a chk self vote included multiple times in vcs

and confirmed by chk as a correct vote

,

which if he was lying he'd be using a mod error to influence the game which is against the rules

. You're being irrational.

the only rational theory ISN'T that chik self-voted. I went and checked and mayko did post it in the first vc so mebbe it wasn't a mod error.

wrt the bold: hhhhmmm....chikflip could not confirm it since it could have been a mod error hey, mods make them all of the time. it makes me wonder how you know that chik simply did not think that it might have been a mod error. like you know he knows and understand the reasoning why.

wrt the italicised: I wasn't implying that at all tell me how is that glue

[pirate mollie]

I missed you asking about ice and hoopla, I said I cant answer many things at once

PM, I told you what I think is derpy, in my last post. And now what you just posted is towny enough to set me on ease, so fine, let's talk.

You're not thinking critically enough about the chkflip self vote. Think of it like this.

IF the chkflip self vote happened when pv was being flash voted, what reasons could there be for it, supposing scum manipulated the vote? The only possibly reason it would happen AT THAT POINT and not to hammer a lynch, or some other concrete, practical reason, would be to confuse us and start a discussion about it. Scum wouldn't say "herp derp we're gonna place chkflips vote on himself right now for shits \o/" because then we would all know they can manipulate his vote and therefore we are now going to be careful placing people at L-1 so scum cant use the vote to hammer. It would be counterintuitive for scum to do it UNLESS it would help them AT THE MOMENT THEY DID IT. And what was going on when they did it? A flash wagon on PV.

The only logical reason would be to distract us from the wagon on PV

. If PV was town they would have just used chkflip's vote to hammer PV when he was L-1, keeping it a secret until then. They were just

fucking with us to postpone the lynch and possibly cause screwed up speculation about the vote manipulation, because then there are more important things than the lurker PV

This is assuming that the vote manipulation happened midday and not over night. But my thought process it's out of left field, it makes perfect sense

As for Hoopla, I didn't like her yesterday as is obvious by my vote on her. I don't remember how I felt come the end of the day

wrt the bold: that isn't the only logical reasoning if the intent was merely to throw up wifom. I mean there are so many avenues you could go with that I guess. with the way you are spinning this and ignoring other possibilities looks like a convenient push on perv's wagon. I think it was clunky, I would have used that role differently but when you think about all of the possibilities of why scum would do that at that particular time it could be I guess that scum just wanted to stir up wifom that they could use later on in the game.

[pirate mollie]

I know there was something asked of me but I'm walking out of the door right now. And the vote manip is comfirmed I'm still voting myself somehow.

UNVOTE: chkflip ?

MOD: V/LA for the next three days.

okay I missed that he had pmed the mod with this but yeah I guess there is no other way to interpret that.

[pirate mollie]

I guess that scum just wanted to stir up wifom that they could use later on in the game.

That would be such a terrible way to use that power

Just sayin

I wish there was a role where you had unlimited voting power I mean that would super awsum why has no one come up with that

[pirate mollie]

hey mollies. are you pro or anti lynching pv?

don't know. would have to unstick myself from a matt scum read. which I am reluctant to do

[pirate mollie]

AFAICR people mainly attacked Matt for low activity, despite it being extremely easy to explain away with the Balto stuff.

erm no

I gave reasons which had nothing to do with low activity but the content of his posts

mebbe you could respond to that

[pirate mollie]

AFAICR people mainly attacked Matt for low activity, despite it being extremely easy to explain away with the Balto stuff.

erm no

I gave reasons which had nothing to do with low activity but the content of his posts

mebbe you could respond to that

if youre next post does not contain a solid opinion on pv and either a vote for him or a detailed explanation of why hes not scum and should not be lynched im gonna be real disappointed in u mollie

I am not about to vote a lynch that matt is pushing.

and where did your raging hard on for his lynch go

I mean you were all like OMG MATT IS SCUM I KNOW THIS FOR SURE I AM A 100% ACCURATE I MEAN HE SCUM IT IS SO OBVIOUS I AM GOING TO 1V1 MATT IT IS ME OR YOU MATT COS YOU ARE SCUM YOU ARE SCUM MATT YOU ARE SCUM IF YOU ARE NOT SCUM THEN YOU CAN THIS CUP OF JIZZ AND THROW ALL MY UNBORN CHILDREN OUT THE WINDOW COS YOU ARE SCUM MATT YOU ARE SCUM

to "why matt I think you might be right about perv"

I mean wtf

is anybody else watching this?

[pirate mollie]

hey speaking of which please give ur op re those 2 names i just pointed out.

also mb u mised this question mb u should asnwer it.

mb i am nt teh 1 who isn't r34ding teh game

I said I found iceyrent scummy

and no, your progression from scumreading matt to the point of that was all that you were doing to a townread does not make sense.

matt is so scummy it is not funny. I think he should be the lynch for the day. all that crap last night with the chik self-vote felt fake as hell.

kanye y u have to be matt's partner it breaks my heart

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: hoopla

[pirate mollie]

you should probably go ahead and claim perv

[pirate mollie]

nono

it does not work like that. half outs are bullshit and surely you know that by now.

[pirate mollie]

stating intent to hammer I guess

[pirate mollie]

Post 984 looks like scum trying to gain town-cred as the target of a scum action. No attempt to ask for vote clarification or point out the error.

what would be the benefit as scum to do that tho

Backing up, came into the thread replacing Nero and putting his vote in exactly the same place Nero had it (on Orcinus). Maybe a coincidence, but I don't think town-chkflip brain=town-Nero brain so they can both meander a path of 14 players and arrive at a single scumpoint.

Most likely will be my vote post-Hoopla.

I thought orc looked scummy at that point but then orc and I interacted and I felt better but now I am back to feeling queasy about him

[pirate mollie]

mollie you're on the wagon lol

Hoopla claim.

lol

I can be such a ditz at times

[pirate mollie]

Thor665 replaces orcinus_theoriginal. Thank you very much, Thor!

whywhywhywhywhy could you not sub into a slot that I had a for sure town read on whywhywhywhywhy

[pirate mollie]

Yay, I wanted some Thor in my life.

Just remember - you get full Thor or no Thor, there are no half measures.

*grabs popcorn as he waits for the inevitable Smurfstorm between Mollie and Thor*

Why, is she whiny scum this game?

@Anyone - Who should I be sheeping?

wrt the bold:

wrt the italicised:

[pirate mollie]

She'll come at me with a weak case.
I'll mock her (a lot)
She'll whine that I'm misrepresenting her while being unable to show how I'm misrepresenting anything.

Everyone will listen to me

.

I think that's the usual play.

no one listens to you

. I think that is why you are so butthurt.

and I do show it, it is only the mentally challenged that is incapable of seeing anything.

1 minute into the game and you are already trying to troll me I think that is record time.

@ overlysoul

I am not sure about that slot yet. I had orc as scum based on early play, then we got close and I was feeling better about him but I think orc has the capacity to get close and still be scum. orc/thor is unsure but yeah it will probably be a shitstorm while I try to sort him out although I am tempted to give up and troll him back for lulz so that he can scum read me and it will finally be established that he can't read me worth crap even though he desperately tries.

[pirate mollie]

okay read the rest of thor's post and #1126 is pretty funny

[pirate mollie]

mollie i thought orc was a solid town read 4 u ? what happened tot hat?

are you satisfied with the answer I gave overlysoul?

@ hiraki

I still find matt scummy

@ matt

why is chik scum

[pirate mollie]

whywhywhywhywhy could you not sub into a slot that I had a for sure town read on whywhywhywhywhy

Because someone in those slots didn't replace out.
Duh.
Which slots are those?

I am not sure about that slot yet.

And despite making about three posts in a row about said slot - still haven't done anything that resembles scumhunting to help me sort out the situation.

I am going to ironically post that all of this could be solved if you read the thread.

I am liking kanye and chik for town although I have moments of paranoia when I cannot follow the flow of their thoughts. on kanye's part I think it is cos of his familiarity with matt. orc was all hot and bothered about chik, I tried to see it from his point of view but it is too much of a stretch for me, hence why I am unsure about your slot. and matt whom I already find scummy going "oh hai! chik is scum!" doesn't reassure me.

this is the thing that I am sitting on and wondering about is if orc would replace out as scum. <------ nebulous thought flow at best, but sometimes when I pursue it reaps results. trying not to go down a wifom wormhole that I can't crawl out of, believe or not I really hate to trolleytrack on town when I am town.

anyways I want to hear from hoopla but I think she scumslipped especially if what overlysoul said about her scum game is true. it will make me feel better about overlysoul if hoopla flips scum. it will not make me necessarily feel good about pv cos he did not vote for the 2nd lynch on d1 and there is no trail to verify as to why he would have done w/e it is he does in the night round and it could be hard bussing to guarantee his longevity. if hoopla flips scum or traitor then he will sit nicely in the unsure pile until he actually does something productive that isn't originated into saving his own ass. I mean look at when he outed his hoopla info shouldn't that have been at the start of the day?

[pirate mollie]

@Mollie - that's a not unreasonable question, but considering your vote is clearly a dramatically minor one to you, so I'm not sure why you bother bringing it up at this juncture.

which question

[pirate mollie]

@Mollie - that's a not unreasonable question, but considering your vote is clearly a dramatically minor one to you, so I'm not sure why you bother bringing it up at this juncture.

which question

Your question of why Pere didn't claim right away.

Then again, going back to look at it - he pretty much did.
How do you think he should have claimed differently? Just, right out the gate, claim? As opposed to the immediate vote he did do and then the follow up of a claim shortly after Hoopla posted and didn't mention any recruitment? I dunno, feels normal to me, what am I missing?

so do you think perv is town? <----- would like an answer to this. I want a commitment thor.

well I looked back and perv did soft claim right out the gate with his immediate vote on hoopla. only ran up against scum perv once and this does not hold to his meta.

to answer your question about how I would have done things differently is that if I was scum I probably wouldn't have unless I knew that hoopla was a traitor. <----- do you see where I am going with this.

if I were town I probably would have done the exact same thing. hence why hoopla's flip will provide a lot of info but we still have to sift through it.

but this:

it will not make me necessarily feel good about pv cos he did not vote for the 2nd lynch on d1 and

there is no trail to verify as to why he would have done w/e it is he does in the night round and it could be hard bussing to guarantee his longevity

.

is the nugget that still has me worried. I would have breadcrumbed. I can sort of verify that perv does not breadcrumb I was masons with him once and he didn't. but jesus christ why not give town a clue.

does this answer your questions thorthor

[pirate mollie]

"Thor, you've been in the game less than half a day - I demand commitments from you!...also I think you might be scum, waaaah!"
Seriously?
But, even so, my attitude towards Pere has been pretty clear. Maybe, just maybe, if you squint, you *might* be able to tell my opinion about him and the Hoopla situation. I don't promise anything, I mean, you missed it the first time around so maybe it's actually incredibly murky with no opinions offered at all. I dunno, give my posts another glance over and get back to me with what you find. If what you find is 'no opinion' then let me know.[/vote]

oh here we go.....

why do I need to squint when I wear glasses

are you stating that you think perv is town? <------yes or no question

to answer your question about how I would have done things differently is that if I was scum I probably wouldn't have unless I knew that hoopla was a traitor. <----- do you see where I am going with this.

To answer Thor's question - if he was scum he would do what he did, if he was town he would do what he did.
...what was that about commitments?
I seem to recall somebody suggesting that the lack of giving commitments was uncool or something...who was that...I may need to do some research and get back to you on this.
I'm pretty sure there's no commitment here.

hai thor it might be based on a flip, I dunno, do you prevaricate much?

pretty sure what I have said so far commits me!

Yup, because scum will always hard bus their new recruit right out the gate.
Especially when said new recruit is Hoopla.
Especially to save the bacon of the might scum benefit that is Pere.
That makes sense to you? Because it is so obviously making sense to me that I am left blinded and agog at the brilliance.

explain the brilliance. cos you seem to be in the know and I am not.

and spare me the dumb arguments as to the overused counterarguments. cos it is tiring.

[pirate mollie]

I think I pretty much want to lynch anybody who is not kanye, thor and overlysoul. during this whole kerfuffle hardly anyong made any sense.

I am pretty sure matt is scum but I don't even want to lynch him.

this is depressing

I feel like I am on tr right now

[pirate mollie]

To go ahead and be 'slow' for you.
'Why did you change Thor reads' is really what I'm asking there.

I'd hate to cloud that in confusing dumb postings that can't be understood

.

but you are so good at it. I would hate to deprive everyone else of your formidable talent.

you looked good in the exchanges and it looks like you are authentically scumhunting. of course if you are scum in this game then I will now know that lazy, cranky, pain in the ass dumb thor is town thor and productive, coherent, cogent somewhat likeable thor is scum thor.

do you think I am sexeh now

@ matt

I thought i had this game figured out don't ruin it for me

[pirate mollie]

let's lynch quilford

VOTE: quilford

[pirate mollie]

quilfords not icerint ?

iceyrent's body of work looks dreadful but quilford's:

also i am very wary of people who post reads lists

it the weirdest post in the game.

[pirate mollie]

you looked good in the exchanges and it looks like you are authentically scumhunting.

Justify this more for me.
Because my recollection of our last exchange was basically you whining and complaining that I was being scummy for "reasons" and me telling you that you were kinda dense and to pike off.

I mean, which bit sold you on Thor=teh townz?
Specifically.

somewhat likeable

mebbe I spoke too soon

I liked your responses during that whole thing last night. your thoughts were flowing along the same vein as mine were and I tend to town read players who do that. also I said your slot was scummy not necessarily you I am just naturally suspicious of you.

[pirate mollie]

Can the OP replacements be updated? Idk who replaced mothrax

I replaced mothrax and I get my power the same way you do if I hammer enough times on scum

[pirate mollie]

Cult does fit with the doubleday thing. I should say that checking my role I'm not to blame for Pere's results because I don't think my action is a night action per se, so that lends points to the cult spec.

Clarify this pl0x. What type of action *is* your neighborizing?

She asked me why I neighbourised her.

And you answered...?

I liked your responses during that whole thing last night. your thoughts were flowing along the same vein as mine were and I tend to town read players who do that. also I said your slot was scummy not necessarily you I am just naturally suspicious of you.

I seem to recall asking 'specifically'.

Could you be more specific, or no?

maybe a quote?
Maybe specific thoughts I had that you shared?
Something like that?

not really

it is hard to explain

plus if I am wrong and you are scum I don't want to give you any hints on how to sneak past my scumdar

[pirate mollie]

also my reads list tell worked so you can shove it

it doesn't count when applied to your scummate

[pirate mollie]

btw guys it's not hammering scum it's simply having your vote on them at the end of the day unless I misread it

I took that to mean that you had to hammer

[pirate mollie]

I replaced mothrax and I get my power the same way you do if I hammer enough times on scum

No, I just need to be on the wagon, I don't have to hammer

In hindsight I should have been less vote-hungry with Hoopla but I forgot your variation of the role existed.

I might have misunderstood

[pirate mollie]

har har

admittedly i haven't played with Thor in ages but I feel like he's being sedate and asking all the wrong questions this game

To go ahead and be 'slow' for you.
'Why did you change Thor reads' is really what I'm asking there.

I'd hate to cloud that in confusing dumb postings that can't be understood

.

but you are so good at it. I would hate to deprive everyone else of your formidable talent.

you looked good in the exchanges and it looks like you are authentically scumhunting.

of course if you are scum in this game then I will now know that lazy, cranky, pain in the ass dumb thor is town thor and productive, coherent, cogent somewhat likeable thor is scum thor

.

UNVOTE: quilford

let's dance quilford

[pirate mollie]

'the' vs 'your'

what is this in reference to

[pirate mollie]

unfortunately i just got off the bus so we'll have to save the twirling for later mollie

okay

[pirate mollie]

If you are antitown and are using replacement threatening as a way to dissuade your wagon I will not be playing games with you in the future because that's plain ridiculous.

People just don't grok me
like at all

that's cos you are so freaking weird

[pirate mollie]

eta xpost: that isn't an insult btw it just makes you hard to understand or read in games

[pirate mollie]

but anyway people should vote iecrint cause he's done like literal nothing and he at least does stuff as town

see mainstream mafia

but matt if you think I scumslipped well then I don't know what to tell you because that is probably the last thing i've done as scum
I mean A Feast for Crows I "scumslipped" or so said all the yappy people who thought they knew a lot, when actually I misread my Pm and it was just a total clusterfuck that caused like 2 mislynches.

pedit:
I don't want to go back to that past

@mollie probably
pedit 2: yes I know that although I don't believe it. I just think people are lazy in trying to really deduce what I'm thinking

but iceyrent was culted n2 in mainstream mafia if you are talking about the large. admittedly, I didn't pay much attention in that game cos I knew jason was scum but nobody would believe me or understand why I thought so.

also I have tried to deduce what you are thinking and I simply cannot follow. I don't think you are scummy for it though.

[pirate mollie]

not really

it is hard to explain

plus if I am wrong and you are scum I don't want to give you any hints on how to sneak past my scumdar

It's "hard to explain" how I'm thinking like you?

yes



see I can make that face right back

[pirate mollie]

WAIT

perhaps I should not vote iece and vote chk

Unvote

I should be on whatever wagon is not going through, because then I can be used as a cop of sorts

VOTE: Chkflip

then why not kanye :/

[pirate mollie]

wait you have a scum read on chik

[pirate mollie]

Iec is a main scumread right now

yes but day 1 and 2 I remember him being instrumental in the lynches of both scum members which reminds me

Chkflip, why was Maenara forced replaced in that game?

yes but we should have lynched jason first I mean look what happened.

[pirate mollie]

then why not kanye :/

Because as you said Kanye is my scumbuddy

shut up I got paranoid about kanye but I am over it and why would

my

read influence who you have your vote on

[pirate mollie]

You really ought to stop being such a VI so that I don't constantly doubt my townread on you

you know that so far the only people who have considered me a VI are VI's themselves or scum

mebbe you can help me do the math here

the "wait you think chik is scum" comment was directed to you

so are you saying that if you have your vote on someone and they are not lynched you get a view of them?

see this is why I think half outs are bs if you are going to say something just say it.

tbh all of the special claims are throwing me off cos some people will have 2 powahz if they also got the "if you have your vote on scum at the end of the day then you gain a powah".

also I have looked up zombie but could not find it in mafiascum wiki but in epicmafia:

Chooses one person to infect each night.
That person gets an infection that converts them to a zombie exactly one day later.
Doctors can cure infections and kill zombies by visiting them.
Immune to drunks, hookers, conversions, can be killed.
Survivors will be infected but will not become zombies.
Wins if everyone is either infected or zombified.
All zombies will die if they attack a cult member at night.
Sided with the zombies.

so I am not understanding where the thoughts lie in that hoopla was recruited n1 cos to me it looks like hoopla was the recruiter.

what am I missing

also I do not know shit about the flavour can someone plz help me out cos I am thinking that it might be important.

[pirate mollie]

How about you quote the first post you recall me making where I thought like you.
Then, y'know - explain why it made you feel that way.
This is starting to feel incredibly faked.

this one:

Did Hoopla enter the mix for any reason besides Pere's claim?
If not - why do you believe Pere's claim considering you think he's scum?
Also, how are they interchangable with the pair of Thor/OS? I can see one of them being connected to us, but it seems interesting that both were connectable to us.

I could understand where you were closing in on your holes in your configuration of how you were trying to orient yourself in the game. does this make sense?

it was the start

am I wrong for town reading you because of that?

[pirate mollie]

It's not just me though, right, my stock went up with the lynch on Hoopla and now I'm more worth buddying, right?

Because I feel like I was just chainsawed, is sorta where I'm coming from.

:/

shouldn't you only be feeling chainsawed if your scum partner is defending you

is matt your partner

[pirate mollie]

this one [is the post I saw that made me start thinking you were town]:

You...um, did kind of immediately attack me after that post. So...basically I started looking town because you and I were thinking the same way so your response was to call my questions and answers to things dumb?

I dunno...this feels really fake still.

I could understand where you were closing in on your holes in your configuration of how you were trying to orient yourself in the game. does this make sense?

it was the start

am I wrong for town reading you because of that?

I dunno.
I'm not even sure I understand what you're even saying there - it's like you intentionally chose words to make it more garbled. I even like to fancy myself a logophile. Let's try to translate it, shall we?

Mollie could understand where Thor was closing in on the gaps in his setup of how he was trying to understand himself in the game.

...no...no, I'm still not getting it.
In English this time, pl0x?

shouldn't you only be feeling chainsawed if your scum partner is defending you

is matt your partner

I dunno, it's not how *I* understand the term Chainsaw to work. Generally the person being chainsawed is the town member that is being attacked by scum in order to defend their scumpartner.

What definition do you use?

And now that you know mine - thoughts?

and this is why you drive me crazy thor you are the single most frustrating human being on the planet.

1. I always push on my town reads it is to firm up the read. regardless of that, you asked for the

first

post that made me wonder if you were town not where I came to a conclusion and tbh even if you asked that I am not sure I could give you an answer cos it was a gradual progression that happened later in a convo that I was not around for.

you seem to have a habit of twisting things around and you do this shit as

town

so it confuses me.

chainsaw is an expression that I have only heard when 1 scum defends another. if there is another meaning to it then enlighten me with something other than you just saying so.

wrt the bold: I already told you that you wouldn't understand it. I don't think I can explain it in a way that you would understand. <------ you would think that you would have learned this by now. we simply think differently. so you asking me to clarify my thoughts when you will not understand the answers is pretty futile don't you think.

if you are town why are you expending your energy on things that will not make sense to you

@ kanye

orc felt good for a moment and then he didn't. I really can't explain it any other way. I think orc could get close to me as scum and interact in a way that I would town read him.

and that is all there is to it.

[pirate mollie]

Also, while I was looking at stuff.
Found this.
I don't want to forget that I asked this question.
Nor that I still want it answered.

PeregrineV: Scum

hoopla: Lookin pretty townie

Whilst you do the other awesome stuff you're doing.
Both of these reads scream out for a bit of explanation.
You can use small words, I'm kinda slow.

^this is why I town read you

you are following up on an initial question and not letting it go

that seems town to me

[pirate mollie]

@Mollie - whether or not I will understand has very little to do with your ability to put something that you understand into discernible language. Try again. Tell you what, when even one other player admits to understanding the sentence I'll stop asking.

@ANYONE - heck, if anybody here can translate her sentence for me, I'll sheep ya, how're them apples?

@Molli again - I see no value in needing to defend the normal definition of Chainsaw defense when I used it correctly and you do not.
Regardless of that - respond to my accusation of you now that you are aware what I meant when I said Chainsaw. I don't care what you want to call it. You Aardvark Attacked me, if you like. Now respond.

If

I am town I am expending energy on things I don't understand in order to understand them so I can make informed decisions. Last I checked that was part of what scumhunting, and the entire purpose of town players, was all about. Feel free to tell me your theory on how it should be done as long as you answer the question about your read switch on me first.

see the use of the word "if" does not exemplify the following if you are town.

cos there shouldn't be an "if"

dammit thor I so wanted you to be town in this game.

VOTE: thor

also did you enlighten me on where other than your opinion the correct use of chainsaw was? no

how can I answer that when you are not specifying your "correct" use of the term like I asked you to?

[pirate mollie]

Are you kidding me?
Because this is even more nonsensical than normal from you.
On all counts.

1. I did give my definition.
2. I asked you to respond to it.
3. There's a Wiki system if you want to look up the definition to see if my stated definition is wrong as though that means anything.
4. I still see a failure to manage to explain your read on me. It's a sentence, theoretically it means something to you - reword it.

you

quote it

I mean since that is what you are relying on within the context of how you are applying it

put up or shut up

[pirate mollie]

re: chainsaw

[pirate mollie]

Oh look, another Mollie and Thor pissing contest. Entirely not surprising.

Mollie are you really voting Thor because he used the word "if" in that sentence?

Mollie, Chainsaw defense is like so...
Person A is attacking Person B
Person C attacks person A thus defending Person B

Basically, attacking the attacker of the other person to indirectly defend the "other person".
Thor if I can translate that sentence I want you to sheep me on Iec.

yes I am

cos he is being dumb if he is town

iceyrent is in my crosshairs cos of body of work and cos I am waiting to hear back from quilfordiness

that isn't how I have come to understanding the term "chainsaw"

why not just use wking if you are trying to apply it to scum defending town

[pirate mollie]

What are the holes in my configuration?

you weren't leaving any by the line of your thoughts

hth

[pirate mollie]

Is there a case on Iec other than 'he's useless?'
There's a lot of that going around.

Also, you haven't earned the sheep unless you can translate the sentence. Yes, I know it isn't actually translatable - but that's the point. She intentionally put together a garble-speak answer for...reasons.
I'm not sure why.

Edit: Yeah - I'm working on that whole mystery. I swear she's gotten worse in every game I've played with her.

itt thor confirms me as town on his flip

jesus christ can we plz lynch him already

[pirate mollie]

I mean - I suppose my working theory is 'She *was* chainsawing me and then shifted me to a town read due to strategic need, and didn't have a good reason, and I caught her in that, and now she's desperate to avoid admitting it'.

But I'd like to give her a chance to prove me wrong.
Even as she keeps being scummy and full of bad play.

this doesn't even freaking make sense

[pirate mollie]

Looking back - the page she challenged me to give my definition.
It was the same page I'd given my definition. (which, incidentally and for the record, remains the correct use of the term...just, y'know, saying)

The hell is this?

I asked you about the application of your word usage

it wasn't one that I had seen before and I want proof that it has been applied in the way that you imply

are you dodging thor?

[pirate mollie]

I mean seriously if you were calling thor scummy for orci's play it'd make sense to me

but the things you're catching onto are just "lolwut" to me

*le sigh*

did you see the part where I wanted thor subbed into a town slot.

he didn't

so yeah I am looking at him hard to sort him out

[pirate mollie]

why not just use wking if you are trying to apply it to scum defending town

Better question...why does it matter?

Better, better question - still answer my questions.

Y'know, the ones I had to put up or shut up about, and gave you links to as demanded...and you're still not responding to?

Specifically I still want you to respond to my accusation to you as regards the timing of your read reverse on me. Especially since you can't even explain how it happened.
Am I not supposed to find your "wking" an issue at that point?
Whatever the hell 'wking' means. (AND I DON'T CARE, DON'T DEFINE IT AS ANOTHER DODGE, JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION AND PROVE YOU HAVE THE BRAINS GAWD GAVE GRASSHOPPERS)

fucking I DID.

where are the links

cos I might be missing the ones you posted in the fury of posting

I asked you what the difference was

[pirate mollie]

where are the links

cos I might be missing the ones you posted in the fury of posting

I asked you what the difference was

So...you're scumhunting me by...not reading anything I post?
Do i have that right?

I missed your links cos they didn't show up on my phone

also the irony of that post speaks volumes

[pirate mollie]

why not

that is the first thing that thor has that said I liked

[pirate mollie]

why not

that is the first thing that thor has that said I liked

Y'know, other than the things I did that looked town.

running around nitpicking minutae, asking questions not to discern alignment but to be a pain in the ass, doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results are not townie to me, no. shocking I know.

[pirate mollie]

I think it's more effective for you to ISO and try to guess why he's town ty [:

good luck getting thor to iso!

[pirate mollie]

I'm calling him Kaney from here on out, lewl.

I am too

<3 kaney

As long as we're not lynching Thor I'm solid with whatever town comes up with.

why

why are you town reading him?

if the answer is "cos thor is thor" you know perfectly well how I feel about that and why I think it is a bad idea

[pirate mollie]

chik

why are you not answering my question

[pirate mollie]

chik

you still didn't answer my question

why are you town reading thor

[pirate mollie]

I was literally just following Matt's vote to keep me from the 'Not Voting' pool.

why do you care what you look like?

[pirate mollie]

chik

you still didn't answer my question

why are you town reading thor

Everything he has said reads town-thor to me. I don't think he'd have bussed Hoopla with that much ease/grace tbh no offense to him I just feel like, if it were a buss, it would've read as such on both sides and it didn't to me.

I will admit, however, that I'm a sucker for Thor and Emp and almost always read them as town and scum respectively, so. Are there any posts you'd specifically like me to re-read where this scum-read of yours (and everyone else who was on the wagon) came from?

nah, I am liking where his head is at

I had a town read on him at first, he freaked, we fought, kaney told us to stfu and I think we are good with each other now

[pirate mollie]

People are lurking and failing at this game.

I think Emp is probably not Zombie.
I don't understand the chk wagon.
I'd rather lynch Iec or Mollie.

Discuss.

oh hell no

you do not get to sub into this game, not read a goddamn thing and then prance around as if you are the only one doing anything and accuse everyone else of "lurking".

iceyrent was a scum read of mine long before you got here. I am not saying anything cos I have already said what I wanted to say about them. you are just either too lazy or too kewl to go back and look.

you want to lynch me for...what reasons again? I am 1 of the more active members in this game. when I got here nobody was really doing anything cos of baltos or something, overlysoul and I sort of interacted, orc did too and to some degree kaney. then baltos ended and matt comes in and we tussled, I scumread him but I have thought about a couple of things and so my read on him has shifted and I will explain that in a bit. once I am done with you.

you came into the game and I town read you and then you scum read me and I thought we sorted each other out but apparently not. so far you want to lynch me not for any other except I town read you. I am going to try to explain that read 1 more time, who knows mebbe you will actually get it this time.

I town read you cos the feel I got from your posts was that they came from a town perspective. <--- do you follow this? this is a yes or no question btw. if the answer is no then you may explain what part you don't understand about that statement using short and concise sentences. I don't want to hear any bs around it. answer yes or no and if no explain what part you don't understand.

if you have other reasons plz state them concisely otherwise stfu about this lynch mollie bs.

you having this raging hard on to get me lynched in every game we are in together is getting old fast. I am sick of it and it definitely strips the enjoyment out of a game that I wasn't really all that much into to begin with. I am giving myself 24 hours to see if I feel differently otherwise I am outta here.

anyways I am done with you. I am not going to respond to your nitpicking of this post, I am only going to respond to 2 things:

1. the answer to my yes or no question.
2. and the concise reasons you want me lynched.

and that is all.

evolution of matt read

I had an early scum read on matt and I stated my reasons why. since then matt has been more active and actually done stuff but it is hard to shake off that early read. last night I went on a long walk in my neighborhood and mulled some things over and I remembered an exchange that I had forgotten about that is pretty important in lieu of the hoopla flip. it had to do with when matt brought up a game that he and iceyrent and molla played together at baltos. hoopla got all bent out of shape over it and I got the distinct impression at the time that matt and hoopla were not on the same team. it in no way shape or form looked like scum theatre to me, it was too authentic and I was town reading hoopla cos I was scum reading matt. with the hoopla flip that puts matt as town unless this is multi-ball.

the other thing I like about matt is his continual push on the chik slot. he scumread molla cos molla should have picked up on something (matt do I have that right?) and he either didn't or he dodged the issue entirely. but here is the thing; matt backed off a little bit to look at what else was going on around him. he seems to be genuinely trying to work things out. so unless this is multi-ball I am town reading matt.

I have had kaney down as town ever since I subbed in. unless matt and kaney decide to go at each other again I am probably sticking to it.

I had chik and hd as town cos of early in game posting. there reactions were similar to my own but it is a very weak town read and very close to being unsure cos I keep forgetting that hd is even in this game. chik has moved to unsure cos of matt's read.

I have nothing on empking or hiraki. the 2 are skating like they usually do. I am going to iso hiraki later and see if I see the same thing that matt sees. but I will be honest, I suck at reading isos, I do better when things are in context and when I am involved in real time.

I can't read perv worth shit. I have probably played more games with him than anybody else and for some reason I am having a hard time mining any meta off of him. so he is unsure although I find it unlikely he would have bussed hoopla in the way that he did so I doubt he is on the same team. unless he is multi-ball, I am going to town read him.

I am going to do some thinking about what perv has come up with on empking but I am with matt, it was incredibly stupid to tie herself to empking if they are on the same team.

about the zombie thing <----- I read that as flavour and yet everyone else seems to think it is a role and that hoopla infected empking and mebbe perv or something. I have asked a couple of times in this game if anybody knows anything about the flavour and nobody has answered so I am just going to take that as a no. is zombie an actual mafia role? can somebody provide me a link plz? I am also going to look up the flavour of the game and see what I come up with.

anyways those are all my thoughts for now.

[pirate mollie]

so itt thor refuses to answer my very simple 2 questions but yet somehow I am "not scumhunting", lol.

also I only posted 1 wall so the "walls" is a misrep that I bet thor won't ever own up to.

also I find it highly unlikely that thor would ever self-vote as town.

also I am probably the only one in this game who has the balls to go after thor, on some level it must depress him.

I like my vote where it is unless I can work out something about the empking/perv thing.

I am thinking that "zombie" is the name of the team and the description of the flip is flavour related cos that is what zombies do. trust me I know my zombie lore. the zombie metaphor is one of my faves and I have written tons of stuff about it over the years in film and literary media related topics.

I can see how if you neighborised someone it might show up as "recruitment" to a voyeur related role. I think it is a bit misleading by the gm to do that but I can see it. but the thing is, what other way could the info be relayed to perv that empking neighborised hoopla? I mean neighborising someone is a form of recruitment of sorts. the only thing I do not like about this is that empking was super quick to jump in the qt to 'you got a scum role pm didn't you'. and if he thought that why did he not follow it up in the earlier part of the day?

@ perv - what is your role exactly?

@ empking - what made you decide to neighborise hoopla?

[pirate mollie]

also quil promised to come dance with me and he hasn't yet.

[pirate mollie]

I like my vote where it is unless I can work out something about the empking/perv thing.

So you *are* calling me scummy still then?

for the reasons I have given in the post where I said you ignored my questions? yes.

also *still* is another misrep cos I was starting to town read you (again) but then you were all like, 'oh I am not gonna answer the questions you posited cos they have no value and tbh I cannot come up with another explanation!'

anyways, I am thinking that lord tator or whatever is something that myko made up inside his head cos there is nothing I can find in wikipedia and then I went to the op to see if something was relevant and here it is:

This is a mafia game with limited flavor. Have fun!

so the zombie argument about hoopla infecting perv and empking seems to be scum oriented.

I looked at who pushed that argument.

you looked good in the exchanges and it looks like you are authentically scumhunting.

Justify this more for me.
Because my recollection of our last exchange was basically you whining and complaining that I was being scummy for "reasons" and me telling you that you were kinda dense and to pike off.

I mean, which bit sold you on Thor=teh townz?
Specifically.

@Emp - a summation of the QT would now be in your best interest. Specifically noting which parts came before and after daybreak, natch.

I would also say the Zombie thing qualifies as a Cult.
Joy.

this is especially interesting cos thor made this post:

2 Zombies to start.
1 Recruitment period.
3 Zombies.
Double Day.

Does this make sense to people?

Pere is assuredly not a Zombie right now in that situation.
HD probably is not.

Does a Hoopla recruitment make sense to anyone? I mean,a s Cult, would that be a good idea considering the first few days?

he is perpetuating the idea that there is the possibility that there is a recruitment even though I believe this is a non-bastard game.

what is super duper awsum in light of scummy thor's posts is this:

Does anyone read Mod posts anymore?

so how/why did thor miss the op when myko says that it is limited flavour. he didn't

thor is scum. there probably is no recruitment and thor is trying to use stagnancy, apathy and wifom to cloud your minds.

[pirate mollie]

@Mollie;

1. The Mod said there is limited flavor in this game.
2. Thor says the Zombies = Cult in his belief.
3. Conclusion - Thor is scum because...there is limited flavor...so it's probably not a bastard game.

Huh?

@Matt - what's your read on Iec, if any?

what has been discussed is if this is a bastard game it has to be stated in the sign-ups or something. cult is bastard.

chik you are more familiar with this than I am, is this true?

what I am saying is that you were super quick to support the idea that there was a cult. I even posted the posts you made about it.

if there is limited flavour than why would you push the idea "the zombie thing qualifies as a cult"?

hint: I am not the one who isn't making sense here no matter how much you wrap it up in something shiny so that other people will buy it. if the game is based on limited flavour and you read all of the mod's posts then why would you push that trajectory?

[pirate mollie]

@ empking - what made you decide to neighborise hoopla?

A name I recognized. I didn't give it much thought.

okay so why did you say something to the effect of 'oh hoopla you are such scum hur hur' in your qt?

also thor if you were going on about the cult thing why are you not voting empking?

[pirate mollie]

why are you arguing against the cult thing now that we have a flipped zombie and a small explanation thats basically saying they are a cult independent of a set recruiter?

show me

cos I iso-ed myko's posts and I am not seeing it. what I saw was a flavour flip. do you have a link to a mafia role that says zombie?

why didnt you argue against it before that when we initially started saying that we were tricked into a bastard game?

cos I am at point now where I can give this game more attention than I could before and a lot of shit is not adding up.

[pirate mollie]

what has been discussed is if this is a bastard game it has to be stated in the sign-ups or something. cult is bastard.

It is?

what I am saying is that you were super quick to support the idea that there was a cult. I even posted the posts you made about it.

if there is limited flavour than why would you push the idea "the zombie thing qualifies as a cult"?

1. Wasn't aware I denied it...also not aware how that makes me scum.

where did I make the argument that you denied it? stahp strawmanning me

2. I dunno, maybe the part of the limited flavor that said if a Zombie got you alone it would make you a zombie...probably that. Why, what did you take it to mean?

to me it read as flavour. in a game where it is stated that there is limited flavour I take it to mean wrt roles. what do you think?

also thor if you were going on about the cult thing why are you not voting empking?

What makes him assured scum if there is a cult?

then what exactly is your cult theory hanging on? the write-up? so what do you think has happened so far? do you think that empking recruited hoopla? do you think that hoopla infected empking? mebbe perv? cos you have somehow managed to stay away from all of that except for saying that it is a cult game. and your vote is on no one.

[pirate mollie]

Also, if you do not believe there is a cult - why aren't you voting HD?

why aren't you?

[pirate mollie]

heres another question then molly, if were not dealing with a cult, do you believe there are and will always be only 2 more scum in this game?

this is the important question please dont dodge this 1 molly baby

no

myko had 2 scum in ny game of I think 16 players. trying to do the numbers does not work in trying to reverse engineer the gm's brain, at least that has been my experience.

[pirate mollie]

Still unaware how it makes me scum.

okay <---- this is not me agreeing with you this me saying this is the dead end road as to which arguments lead to.

to me it read as flavour. in a game where it is stated that there is limited flavour I take it to mean wrt roles. what do you think?

You seem to agree that 'zombie' is a non-standard role.
So...y'know, it sort of makes sense if maybe within the flavor it was clued in as to what said role was.
Sounds like Cult to me.

But, as I understand it, you're saying in a 'limited flavor' game that you expected a 'flavor flip'
...okay.
I didn't.

How does that make me scum?

I am saying I do not think that zombie is a role at all and I think the scum team are zombies unless this is multi-ball and there is more than 1 team.

then what exactly is your cult theory hanging on? the write-up?

Yes - that's what I said when I first brought it up and that's what I said this time around.

okay so what do you think myko meant when he said, "limited flavour".

so what do you think has happened so far?

If I knew that I would say for certain. I do have a number of theories - but I see little value in expounding on them at this stage as they're just theories.

okay. <---- again me not agreeing with you. it is a statement of understanding your POV

this is the second time you have used the argument, "I see no value in responding". how is this not dodging?

do you think that empking recruited hoopla? do you think that hoopla infected empking? mebbe perv? cos you have somehow managed to stay away from all of that except for saying that it is a cult game. and your vote is on no one.

1. Maybe.
2. Doubtful, I think the Zombies work as a Cult - as I said.
3. Again, doubtful.
4. Saying that I think they are Cult is...sort of a *very explicit* statement of what I think is going on.
5. My vote is on Iec. So...whut?

missed that your vote was icey who has done freak all this game.

so you think that it is a cult game that snuck past mod review and was advertised as non bastard?

Again, how does any of this make me scum?
You seemed to act like there was some sort of logical connection - I still don't see it.
Been asking about it.

cos you are inserting wifom instead of trying to cut through the chaff.

that is what makes you look scummy

[pirate mollie]

Also, if you do not believe there is a cult - why aren't you voting HD?

why aren't you?

Because I believe there is a Cult - why is that hard to understand?
Why aren't you?

I think I already answered this, but here is a question. why did you not ask the mod directly as to whether or not this was a cult game? you asked them a bunch of other questions so why not the most important one that would resolve a lot of the other ones you asked?

[pirate mollie]

heres another question then molly, if were not dealing with a cult, do you believe there are and will always be only 2 more scum in this game?

this is the important question please dont dodge this 1 molly baby

no

myko had 2 scum in ny game of I think 16 players. trying to do the numbers does not work in trying to reverse engineer the gm's brain, at least that has been my experience.

so then youre two options are hd is lying

or theyres a cult. youve blatantly ruled out the second so i then we go to thors question that you dodged:

why arent you voting hd? the view of the game you have expressed to follow should have hd as a retarded ass liar to you.

that's right! hd said there were 3 scum didn't he. why would I vote hd if I ruled out cult? and if you think there is no cult then why are you not voting hd?

[pirate mollie]

Oh shush, she'll be showing me that rule and then explaining how I'm scum in a few moments.

these are moments the where I have to remind myself that you are younger than me

@ kanye

what is the question that you think I am dodging? it might have gotten lost in the flurry of posts.

here is myko's ny game where there were only 2 scum:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=23318

my behaviour was pretty terrible.

[pirate mollie]

Unvote: Iec
Vote: PirateMollie

I may unvote if she answers the question though - just from shock.

deja vu

what is the question that you feel that I have not answered

[pirate mollie]

you do not believe there is a cult and you do not believe hds claim

so the question is simply why are you not voting hd?

this has been asked very simply like 6 times now and you have yet to give a straight answer or an explanation of why you think he is town despite the first line here.

I never said I did not believe hd's claim. that is a misrep.

I actually forgot about it.

and I have said so. I am not voting him cos he is not the one in my crosshairs. thor is.

/imaginary problem solved

[pirate mollie]

It's the Theme Park. Being that it's myko we're talking about, a well-established and respectable sort of fellow, he didn't necessarily have to warn us about a cult if he didn't want to because that's one of the special things about Theme Park games. TYPICALLY it's because there's a specific flavor; the fact that there wasn't should've been a big red alarm to anyone signing up. Why wouldn't this otherwise just be in New York? Myko is a sly fox, but what I'm driving at is no. He didn't

have

to say anything -- it's just nice to point things out like that so you don't get a bunch of upset players who mass-replace out.

That being said, I think Thor v mollie is uber T v T. Neither of them are coming from a scum-sided mindset.

Thor, what's the Iecerint case exactly? Basically that he's too town to not be cult?

Mollie, if Thor isn't scum, who's your #2 and #3 suspects? I'd just like you to re-clarify and tell the group why they're not as important to you as Thor.

Kaney, y u no vote?
matt, pls.
HD, Iec, quil, fucking post more. The anti-town guy is outshowing you and it's quite sad.

I missed this last night, sorry chik, but things were going rapid fast and I was responding to what was being asked by 3 players and given little time to realistically do so.

thor is important cos he is my top scumread but his thoughts are naturally landing where mine were before he subbed in so that confuses things. the main thing that I do like is his drop on iceyrent when iceyrent has not even posted since he tried to apply pressure to them. I can't tell if it is scum realising there is no appetite for the lynch (and frankly I do not see why there is no appetite for it) or town is casting a wider net.

thor seems like the kind of player that once he thinks he has found scum he won't let go. but then he is crawling all over me so

iceyrent and hiraki are my next 2. I think hiraki is being evasice and it is more like how he was in titanium than he was in state farm. the difference is while he is consistently a low activity player, his town game leaves more of a trail of what he is thinking. I am not seeing this here at all. and he fled when I pushed back at him so there is that too. I think that was before you subbed in.

[pirate mollie]

the main thing that I do like is his drop on iceyrent

Says someone who was just recently introduced to the idea I'm even voting Iec.

it was supposed to be "I don't like"

that was me

[pirate mollie]

so is it safe to say you think hd is town then or what?

@Mollie - the above was also directed at you.

I think so based on his early exchanges. he and molla had a reaction to a post that felt natural to me cos I had the same one, theirs was back to back (posted this). I think I read the first 10 pages and then asked for a summary or the rest. I tend to get my reads early in game posts cos that is where I think I am the best at gauging good reads. that is why I was so sticky with my matt read. and still nurture suspicion but he has really town posted. I think.

hd is is closing his options if he is scum cos he role-claimed out the gate. I could see that as an early scum claim but I don't think that is what he is doing here. it doesn't match up with a hoopla flip.

[pirate mollie]

cos I thought that cult games were supposed to be advertised. but when a bunch of people started saying it was cult, I thought it was wifom. the situ has been cleared that cult games are allowed if not advertised but frowned upon.

for me, it does not cut through the chaff but if hd is town and I think I am leaning he is, then his role makes sense.

[pirate mollie]

Day starts

Five days later empking votes PV

He claims at day start he had a scumread on hoopla in the neighborhood

Hoopla said she would stop lurking (so lets assume this is three days into day two) and they "exchange pleasantries" but emp has no reason to townread her yet since apparently there was barely any discussion in their qt

Two days later emp votes PV and says hoopla is almost probably town

The transition of emps reads with the timeline don't make sense

In fact hoopla only posted once prior to the PV claim and it was a two sentence post three days before pvs claim

If hoopla told emp she would stop lurking she never actually did (and claims she even forgot about the game which doesn't match her promise to emp that she would stop lurking unless she promised after the 12th but then she would have had to promise on the 15th when she started posting, which would mean there was no reason for emp to already have a townread on her on the 15th)

So there is no way emp got a townread on hoopl a prior to his vote on PV and defense of hoopl a unless he already had a townread on her prior which he claims he didn't. So he's lying

That was the scumslip I found

you know what you are so right.

stating intent to hammer if empking is at L1

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: empking

[pirate mollie]

Why did Hoopla make a good recruit?

Good player; hadn't really been looked out.

wait that isn't true there was a pretty strong wagon on hoopla on d1 for the second lynch led by overlysoul. there are a couple of players who had not been looked at on d1 and hoopla was not 1 of them. that is 1 thing that is bugging me.

the second is that when you said, (paraphrased) "so how did it feel when you got your scum role pm" from the wb you said it at a time when you were not really defending hoopla, it was at a point where you seemed like you were waiting to see where everybody else was going to go with perv's reveal and hoopla's claim. your response reads as cautious to me.

[pirate mollie]

votecount

hoopla (4): oversoul, MattP, bbmolla, Iecerint
MattP (3): hiraki, empking, Kanyeknowsbest
Orcinus_theoriginal (3): human destroyer, Nero Cain, pirate mollie
hiraki (1): Josh lyman
Josh lyman (1): hoopla

not voting (2): orcinus_theoriginal, PeregrineV

votecount

hoopla (5): oversoul, MattP, bbmolla, Iecerint, Josh lyman
MattP (2): hiraki, empking
Orcinus_theoriginal (2): human destroyer, pirate mollie
pirate mollie (1): Kanyeknowsbest
Josh lyman (1): hoopla

not voting (3): orcinus_theoriginal, PeregrineV, chkflip

votecount

hoopla (5): oversoul, MattP, bbmolla, Iecerint, Josh lyman
MattP (4): hiraki, empking, pirate mollie, Kanyeknowsbest
Orcinus_theoriginal (1): human destroyer
Josh lyman (1): hoopla

not voting (3): orcinus_theoriginal, PeregrineV, chkflip

deadline is a week from now.

votecount

hoopla (5): oversoul, MattP, bbmolla, Iecerint, Josh lyman
MattP (4): hiraki, empking, pirate mollie, Kanyeknowsbest
Orcinus_theoriginal (2): human destroyer, chkflip
Josh lyman (1): hoopla

not voting (32orcinus_theoriginal, PeregrineV

deadline is next friday

empking how did you miss all of these vcs? I mean it was a major topic of discussion.

[pirate mollie]

eta: I mean shouldn't you be paying attention to things like this with a neighboriser role?

@ ap

I am kind of sorry you subbed into a legacy but then I read your posts and I am so okay with lynching you next.

okay so far

sheeping thor
funny overjustification of sheeping thor
questioning why I call perv, perv <-----I mean is that supposed to be some scumtell or something?
looks awkward and uncomfortable as hell

it looks less like you are trying to get your head into the game and more trying to set up for skating. tbh your input looks more like you read the qt rather than the actual thread.

[pirate mollie]

did you read the thread

yes or no

[pirate mollie]

Yes, Empking is confirmed scum omg

VOTE: Chkflip

Whatever

if you think that emp is confscum then why aren't you voting him?

@ ap

iso my posts and then come back and tell me that you think I am scum with a straight face.

what I am in total awe is how ap is saying some of the same stuff that I have already said, bringing up the same points that I brought up and yet thor is somehow managing to stay away from him. and everyone seems to be missing this.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie feels like obvious town this game but I JUST CAN'T PUT HER IN THE LIST UNTIL SHE GETS HER SHIT TOGETHER. YOUR CASE ON THOR COULD NOT BE ANY WORSE THAN IT WAS.

ap, I have had my shit together for the most part although I have key moments of acute frustration.

I am curious as to what you think my case on thor/orc slot is. I don't quite understand why you don't just ask me to restate it. it isn't the best of ones but for me it was enough to keep him in the unsure pile. a lot of it is similar to why I had slaandy as scum in the gears game, I am seeing something similar in this dynamic here but I dunno, I doubt that thor would be this heavy-handed and that is why I move him to possible town.

I think empking needs to be the lynch today regardless.

[pirate mollie]

I think empking needs to be the lynch today regardless.

It is kind of looking that way isn't it.

Also why are you ignoring PV's RECRUITMENT claim when hemming and hawing about whether or not there is a cult

. THAT is the most solid evidence for a cult being in the game. And you seem to understand that because you want to lynch Emp who supposedly is the one who would have recruited her.

I dunno, mebbe cos I read this by myko:

@Mod - if a hypothetical Voyeur targeted a hypothetical character who was neighborized - would the PM the hypothetical voyeur get say 'recruited'?

I don't think it would be very standard, but the voyeur as I know it gets general results (protected, investigated). Neighbourized would be rather specific, so yes, I could see recruited as a result.

I was also operating under the assumption that straight up cult games had to be advertised but I have been told otherwise. personally I think it is scum who have a recruit mechanism where the team is allowed x amount of recruits and can nk if they choose not to recruit. I have played lots of games like that and to me it makes the most sense but I am not discounting that might be strictly a cult game.

[pirate mollie]

I think empking needs to be the lynch today regardless.

It is kind of looking that way isn't it.

Also why are you ignoring PV's RECRUITMENT claim when hemming and hawing about whether or not there is a cult

. THAT is the most solid evidence for a cult being in the game. And you seem to understand that because you want to lynch Emp who supposedly is the one who would have recruited her.

I dunno, mebbe cos I read this by myko:

@Mod - if a hypothetical Voyeur targeted a hypothetical character who was neighborized - would the PM the hypothetical voyeur get say 'recruited'?

I don't think it would be very standard, but the voyeur as I know it gets general results (protected, investigated). Neighbourized would be rather specific, so yes, I could see recruited as a result.

I was also operating under the assumption that straight up cult games had to be advertised but I have been told otherwise. personally I think it is scum who have a recruit mechanism where the team is allowed x amount of recruits and can nk if they choose not to recruit. I have played lots of games like that and to me it makes the most sense but I am not discounting that might be strictly a cult game.

Did you read this?

@Mod - if a hypothetical Voyeur targeted a hypothetical mafia traitor character who was targeted for the kill by the mafia team that same night- would the PM the hypothetical voyeur get say 'recruited'?

@Mod- if a hypothetical Voyeur targeted a hypothetical player and that player was visited by multiple players, would all actions be seen by the hypothetical voyeur?

yes on both.

yes. I am not the one insisting that since your result came back as "recruited" that there MUST be a cult that is the other players in this game namely thor.

[pirate mollie]

and I conceded all of this. also that we have double lynch power too. I just don't think it is set stone just yet, I think we most

likely

have a cult or a scum team with some kind of recruit ability.

[pirate mollie]

a scum team with a recruit ability is not the same thing as a cult with a recruit ability only but I am sure it would require more brain cells than you have for you to be able to discern the subtle nuances and differences that would change what you are looking for in the game. thor looked scummy cos thor was doing scummy things like ignoring/dodging direct questions, not reading posts and misrepping.

[pirate mollie]

@ ap

I like your presence in the game so far but if you don't understand where I am coming from why aren't you asking me questions to firm up the read?

[pirate mollie]

thor you have 1 player and ap thinks he might be scum what does that tell you.

so let me get this straight from your POV....anytime scum have a recruit ability it makes them cult? like if scum can recruit a traitor does that make them cult? what about the SK mentee/mentor roles? what about an indie who can recruit a mason partner? I mean you are speaking in terms of very black and white here.

[pirate mollie]

okay, I will be less antagonistic to thor. scum love to watch town eat their own and right now I have a town read on him cos of the sheer force of his push.

sorry thor