Lord Patator Charlixion the 6th: game over

Thor665 · Post Post #1168 (isolation #0) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:42 am

In post 1167, Oversoul wrote:Yay, I wanted some Thor in my life.

Just remember - you get full Thor or no Thor, there are no half measures.

In post 1167, Oversoul wrote:*grabs popcorn as he waits for the inevitable Smurfstorm between Mollie and Thor*

Why, is she whiny scum this game?

@Anyone - Who should I be sheeping?

Thor665 · Post Post #1169 (isolation #1) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:44 am

Apparently I'm supposed to choose between Pere or Hoopla.

You may all offer up your cases to get my vote, I'm an easy-going sort of guy.

Thor665 · Post Post #1170 (isolation #2) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:44 am

Oh, and people should let me know if I'm confirmed town yet, I need to know how anti-town and obnoxious I can be.

Thor665 · Post Post #1174 (isolation #3) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:25 am

In post 1171, Oversoul wrote:No I think she has a scumread on your slot though.
And you know how that goes.

She'll come at me with a weak case.
I'll mock her (a lot)
She'll whine that I'm misrepresenting her while being unable to show how I'm misrepresenting anything.
Everyone will listen to me.

I think that's the usual play.

In post 1171, Oversoul wrote:I don't think you should sheep anyone yet until Hoopla comes back and finally does... something. I'm curious to know which role is made better by lurking.

Let's see what's up with Hoopla and this Pere thing...
Thankfully Quill linked me.

In post 1126, Hoopla wrote:Well, you're 100% lying, so that's a win for the town.

I have to go to work shortly, so give me until tonight to write up my final reads and my role claim. Then the town can do whatever.

Wow.
We're supposed to think Hoopla looks any town at all?

@Oversoul - please explain to me how HD's role is weird in this situation (also, lazy Thor asking for another claim to be explained)

@chkflip - what happened to make Hoopla worth unvoting?

If we put Hoopla on L-1 I promise to suddenly quickhammer for lulz.
Just saying.

Thor665 · Post Post #1175 (isolation #4) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:26 am

What's up with the Pere wagon, also?
Anyone?

Thor665 · Post Post #1179 (isolation #5) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:00 am

In post 1177, Human Destroyer wrote:Second-best wagon after your slot; no one was really willing to lynch orci, so I was sorta like "fine" and went there. I'd link the case but I'm feeling extra lazy today. It's only like 1 or 2 posts up from this one in my ISO, shouldn't be too hard to find.
Orci was pretty obviously scum too, so you're next on my "lynchpls" list.
[snip]
Thor, this is your opportunity to bus Hoopla. Take it for me?

So...you see the scum team as Hoopla/Pere/Thor in some combination?
Tell me more.

In post 1178, Empking wrote:Don't hammer till Hoopla has timer for a rebuttal.

Don't worry, I want to see the

bad fakeclaim

awesome trueclaim that didn't need 5+ hours to create

that's coming.
Right after that though, I might get lulzy, y'never know.

That said, you're voting Pere - what's up with that? Do you still think he's scum, or do you support Hoopla death now, or what?

Thor665 · Post Post #1181 (isolation #6) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:05 am

Did Hoopla enter the mix for any reason besides Pere's claim?
If not - why do you believe Pere's claim considering you think he's scum?
Also, how are they interchangable with the pair of Thor/OS? I can see one of them being connected to us, but it seems interesting that both were connectable to us.

Thor665 · Post Post #1182 (isolation #7) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:06 am

I mean, unless you're just rectally extracting - that's okay then.

Thor665 · Post Post #1185 (isolation #8) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:34 am

So, really all you're giving me is a top suspect pool, not a scum team pool.
Okay, that makes my head hurt less.
I mean, clearly you're still failing at the game, but my head hurts less

Thor665 · Post Post #1191 (isolation #9) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:14 am

In post 1187, MattP wrote:FTR I have EVERY intention of buddying the Smurf out of Thor this game

Why? Have I been townish

Thor665 · Post Post #1194 (isolation #10) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:22 am

In post 1192, MattP wrote:
In post 1191, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1187, MattP wrote:FTR I have EVERY intention of buddying the Smurf out of Thor this game
Why? Have I been townish
No I just have a crush on u

Thor665 · Post Post #1200 (isolation #11) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:42 am

In post 1197, MattP wrote:y tho

Because I think the claim post will be really fascinating.

Thor665 · Post Post #1201 (isolation #12) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:42 am

Let's put it this way - he's not going to claim VT - so...y'know, let's give it a whirl and see what we learn.

Thor665 · Post Post #1204 (isolation #13) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:54 am

In post 1202, Hiraki wrote:PeregrineV: Scum

hoopla: Lookin pretty townie

Whilst you do the other awesome stuff you're doing.
Both of these reads scream out for a bit of explanation.
You can use small words, I'm kinda slow.

Thor665 · Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:13 am

@Mod - VC should probably be updated to reflect my sexy, sexy, bearded name as opposed to orcinus' less manfully unshorn pseudonym.

Thor665 · Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:45 am

In post 1207, Oversoul wrote:HD's role apparently gives the "number of scum" alive. He used it last night and it said 3.
If Hoopla is anything but a mason or cult member, how does a traitor work with that?

2 group scum + 1 traitor doesn't really seem... balanced given the double day.

Hurm...of course, action resolution would usually have the 'kill' happen last, so it could be 3+1 depending on when said power activates.

@Mod - if, say, there was a power that recruited via a scum kill (like traitor) and a power that identified how many scum were alive in the game - how ould you set up their resolution times to interact on a given night that both powers were used?

There, that sorta settles that.
I like being proactive occasionally.
It helps cover up for me later when I'm tunneling and being lazy and insulting everyone.

In post 1208, MattP wrote:Hoopla isn't even voting PV for "PV lying"

Shhhh, you're not supposed to point out any holes till after the claim comes, it makes them harder to fill.

Thor665 · Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:58 am

In post 1211, Empking wrote:
In post 1179, Thor665 wrote:That said, you're voting Pere - what's up with that? Do you still think he's scum, or do you support Hoopla death now, or what?
I still think he's scum.

Why?
I mean, even the initial case might be nice to hear - but the claim is pretty grapefruits to the wind if it's a lie, and it's only Day 2, so... :shrug:
Clarify?

In post 1210, pirate mollie wrote:whywhywhywhywhy could you not sub into a slot that I had a for sure town read on whywhywhywhywhy

Because someone in those slots didn't replace out.
Duh.
Which slots are those?

In post 1214, pirate mollie wrote:I am not sure about that slot yet.

And despite making about three posts in a row about said slot - still haven't done anything that resembles scumhunting to help me sort out the situation.

Thor665 · Post Post #1221 (isolation #17) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:39 pm

@Mollie - that's a not unreasonable question, but considering your vote is clearly a dramatically minor one to you, so I'm not sure why you bother bringing it up at this juncture.

@Emp - so you're saying he's scum who just decided to try to take out a town power player on his way out. Okay...so, two questions;
1. Why does Pere look any scum at all?
2. How does Hoopla's response look any town at all?

Thor665 · Post Post #1222 (isolation #18) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:40 pm

@Emp - also, we totally need to both be scum again some time.

Thor665 · Post Post #1225 (isolation #19) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 2:02 pm

In post 1224, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 1221, Thor665 wrote:@Mollie - that's a not unreasonable question, but considering your vote is clearly a dramatically minor one to you, so I'm not sure why you bother bringing it up at this juncture.
which question

Your question of why Pere didn't claim right away.

Then again, going back to look at it - he pretty much did.
How do you think he should have claimed differently? Just, right out the gate, claim? As opposed to the immediate vote he did do and then the follow up of a claim shortly after Hoopla posted and didn't mention any recruitment? I dunno, feels normal to me, what am I missing?

Thor665 · Post Post #1230 (isolation #20) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:08 pm

In post 1229, pirate mollie wrote:so do you think perv is town? <----- would like an answer to this. I want a commitment thor.

"Thor, you've been in the game less than half a day - I demand commitments from you!...also I think you might be scum, waaaah!"
Seriously?
But, even so, my attitude towards Pere has been pretty clear. Maybe, just maybe, if you squint, you *might* be able to tell my opinion about him and the Hoopla situation. I don't promise anything, I mean, you missed it the first time around so maybe it's actually incredibly murky with no opinions offered at all. I dunno, give my posts another glance over and get back to me with what you find. If what you find is 'no opinion' then let me know.

In post 1229, pirate mollie wrote:to answer your question about how I would have done things differently is that if I was scum I probably wouldn't have unless I knew that hoopla was a traitor. <----- do you see where I am going with this.

if I were town I probably would have done the exact same thing. hence why hoopla's flip will provide a lot of info but we still have to sift through it.

To answer Thor's question - if he was scum he would do what he did, if he was town he would do what he did.
...what was that about commitments?
I seem to recall somebody suggesting that the lack of giving commitments was uncool or something...who was that...I may need to do some research and get back to you on this.
I'm pretty sure there's no commitment here.

In post 1229, pirate mollie wrote:is the nugget that still has me worried.

Yup, because scum will always hard bus their new recruit right out the gate.
Especially when said new recruit is Hoopla.
Especially to save the bacon of the might scum benefit that is Pere.
That makes sense to you? Because it is so obviously making sense to me that I am left blinded and agog at the brilliance.

Thor665 · Post Post #1231 (isolation #21) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:10 pm

In post 1228, Oversoul wrote:Actually, anyone on the wagon, I would appreciate it that you unvote now so Hoopla cannot self vote and deprive the town of possible activation.

This makes sense to me.

Thor665 · Post Post #1234 (isolation #22) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:35 pm

You should have to pay me for sorting through this for you.

In post 1233, pirate mollie wrote:oh here we go.....

why do I need to squint when I wear glasses

are you stating that you think perv is town? <------yes or no question

Are you stating that you are unable to discern any opinion from me as regards the Pere and Hoopla slots?
Because if the answer is 'yes' I'm not sure why I'm supposed to even bother trying to explain anything in this game to you.
How about this - pick a random player, ask them if they can figure out Thor's opinion there.
Then get back to me.
Also - learn to read.
Seriously, this is like asking me what my username is - what the heck? Do you seriously have no idea?

In post 1233, pirate mollie wrote:hai thor it might be based on a flip, I dunno, do you prevaricate much?

I do, but I find it funny you're explaining theoreticals that have no meaning at this stage considering your conclusion is 'but I want to lynch him anyway, and depending on the flip I can see him being scum or town both ways'.
I mean, what does anyone gain by you saying that?

In post 1233, pirate mollie wrote:explain the brilliance. cos you seem to be in the know and I am not.

I'm pointing out that you are being paranoid that scum decided that Pere, a guy coming into today heavily suspected, was going to be more valuable to them than Hoopla.

That would be like, I dunno, if I had just been recruited into a scum team and someone was like 'hey, quick, we need to bus Thor to help save 'some guy'.
Because that was a pretty serious bus.
The *only* way that makes sense is if Pere is some wtfomglol awesome scum PR.
Is that what you're claiming? Because otherwise I fail to see the logic of that as a fear - maybe you should explain it to me?

In post 1233, pirate mollie wrote:and spare me the dumb arguments as to the overused counterarguments. cos it is tiring.

Huh?

Thor665 · Post Post #1261 (isolation #23) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:53 am

@Hoopla - a timeline of your actions based around the posts in thread would be nice.

Specifically what I'd like to know is when you sent a PM to the Mod and also when you got your reply from him.

Thor665 · Post Post #1262 (isolation #24) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:00 am

In post 1235, Hoopla wrote:I know kanye didn't want a full roleclaim from me yet, but I think it's necessary for me to claim to explain how I've been playing

Why didn't you say this again when Kanye questioned you about the claim?

@Mod - if a hypothetical Voyeur targeted a hypothetical character who was neighborized - would the PM the hypothetical voyeur get say 'recruited'?

@Hoopla - you may feel free to publicly ask the mod your question as well, in case you don't like how mine is worded.

Thor665 · Post Post #1263 (isolation #25) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:02 am

Pere should also weigh in here - I will say with Emp leaping under the bus I am forced to admit I find it less likely Hoopla is scum.
His actions are still skeevy feeling, but what scum team gives up Emp+Hoop to mislynch Pere on the first half of a double lynch day?

Thor665 · Post Post #1264 (isolation #26) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:03 am

Though I'd appreciate it if anyone could tell me of the theoretical scum role Pere would have to be in this situation.
Tracking Rolecop or something?

Thor665 · Post Post #1266 (isolation #27) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:28 am

In post 1265, Oversoul wrote:Kanye, why did you automatically assume that Hoopla scum means Empking scum?

For the record - I did the same.
Though I suppose it is discernible into 'recruitable Hoopla scum means Empking scum'.

Thor665 · Post Post #1275 (isolation #28) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:01 am

Vote: Hoopla

Thor665 · Post Post #1277 (isolation #29) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:06 am

Read the thread.
Learn.

Thor665 · Post Post #1283 (isolation #30) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:53 am

@Hoopla - you're still scum telling.

Thor665 · Post Post #1286 (isolation #31) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:20 am

In post 1285, Oversoul wrote:Bah... I think Hoopla is town

Why?

Thor665 · Post Post #1288 (isolation #32) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:36 am

No, she can attempt to confirm her power tonight, and if it doesn't go off, 'whoops, one shot! Musta been jailed, roleblocked, targeted someone Doc protected, ect. ect. ad nauseum.'
The claim isn't even that elaborate - she either chose to really underplay because she's a PR, or chose to fake a PR as a defense to her underplaying.
I won't even get into the question of why you would bother to do that in a double lynch day when her PR sort of hinges on her getting some decent reads - but let's just go back to the core question.

You're saying scum Hoopla wouldn't fake being a PR via underplay/use that as an excuse for underplay?

Because that's the only thing I see you saying that qualifies as calling her town.

Thor665 · Post Post #1291 (isolation #33) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:49 am

In post 1289, Iecerint wrote:PereV, does the EmpKing->Hoopla neighborization affect your interpretation of whatever result you received?

Clarify with the Mod as necessary.

I'm fascinated you notice that nd not the other side of the coin.

That all said - Pere asked you a question earlier that I'm interested in, about you gaining a power and where your votes were yesterday.
Wanna weigh in on anything in that paradigm?

Thor665 · Post Post #1292 (isolation #34) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:50 am

In post 1290, Oversoul wrote:I thought she just pulled the "different play style thing out of her Smurf" but she didn't.

Why? Because she rectally extracted it at an earlier time than you thought she did?
Why does the earlier claim of it make it more legit to you?

Thor665 · Post Post #1296 (isolation #35) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:02 am

No, he didn't "change his mind".
Hoopla just changed the phrasing of what it was he was theoretically asked.
If you believe he was asked.

Thor665 · Post Post #1301 (isolation #36) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:25 am

I'm personally hoping he's reading and catching up and that's why his posting has been slow.
But - yeah, I agree with you agreeing with me

Thor665 · Post Post #1309 (isolation #37) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:08 am

Why is everyone acting confused and doing derp hammers?
I thought I wasn't in the Newbie queue.
I'll check on tht and get back with you all, i get games confused sometimes.

Thor665 · Post Post #1313 (isolation #38) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:43 am

You never go full retard.

Thor665 · Post Post #1315 (isolation #39) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:52 am

Hurm, the way Pere was talking I thought you had indicated that.

Thor665 · Post Post #1316 (isolation #40) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:56 am

Hurm, hurm, okay that is read up on.
Methinks Pere is town regardless of flip that is about to happen.

I actually expect a scum flip considering the way people moved.

Thor665 · Post Post #1319 (isolation #41) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:24 am

Quick reversal on me.
Is that sexy, sexy, or scummy suspicious?

Thor665 · Post Post #1320 (isolation #42) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:25 am

To go ahead and be 'slow' for you.
'Why did you change Thor reads' is really what I'm asking there.
I'd hate to cloud that in confusing dumb postings that can't be understood.

Thor665 · Post Post #1327 (isolation #43) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:46 am

In post 1322, pirate mollie wrote:you looked good in the exchanges and it looks like you are authentically scumhunting.

Justify this more for me.
Because my recollection of our last exchange was basically you whining and complaining that I was being scummy for "reasons" and me telling you that you were kinda dense and to pike off.

I mean, which bit sold you on Thor=teh townz?
Specifically.

@Emp - a summation of the QT would now be in your best interest. Specifically noting which parts came before and after daybreak, natch.

I would also say the Zombie thing qualifies as a Cult.
Joy.

Thor665 · Post Post #1328 (isolation #44) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:46 am

Wasn't there some sort of agreement where alignment shifting was cited as inherently bastard?
I like to have cult warnings on games.

Thor665 · Post Post #1330 (isolation #45) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:48 am

In post 1329, chkflip wrote:I have no idea what's going on.

I would like all of these players to kindly die.
In a fire.
Or by other handy means readily available to them.

Thor665 · Post Post #1333 (isolation #46) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:58 am

Thor665 · Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:27 am

In post 1343, Empking wrote:Cult does fit with the doubleday thing. I should say that checking my role I'm not to blame for Pere's results because I don't think my action is a night action per se, so that lends points to the cult spec.

Clarify this pl0x. What type of action *is* your neighborizing?

In post 1343, Empking wrote:She asked me why I neighbourised her.

And you answered...?

In post 1344, pirate mollie wrote:I liked your responses during that whole thing last night. your thoughts were flowing along the same vein as mine were and I tend to town read players who do that. also I said your slot was scummy not necessarily you I am just naturally suspicious of you.

I seem to recall asking 'specifically'.

Could you be more specific, or no?
maybe a quote?
Maybe specific thoughts I had that you shared?
Something like that?

Thor665 · Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:31 am

2 Zombies to start.
1 Recruitment period.
3 Zombies.
Double Day.

Does this make sense to people?

Pere is assuredly not a Zombie right now in that situation.
HD probably is not.

Does a Hoopla recruitment make sense to anyone? I mean,a s Cult, would that be a good idea considering the first few days?

Thor665 · Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:33 am

No worries, I could quash that wagon in a page or so.

Why should I see you as town?

Thor665 · Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:34 am

So you, what, target that during the day?

Thor665 · Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:34 am

Above is @Emp.

Thor665 · Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:19 am

In post 1371, pirate mollie wrote:not really

it is hard to explain

plus if I am wrong and you are scum I don't want to give you any hints on how to sneak past my scumdar

It's "hard to explain" how I'm thinking like you?

In post 1373, Quilford wrote:admittedly i haven't played with Thor in ages but I feel like he's being sedate and asking all the wrong questions this game

Like which?

Thor665 · Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:24 pm

In post 1407, kanyeknowsbest wrote:common sense says scum started recruiter + 2 and hoopla did not add to the count at the time of hds action

Word of Mod specifically stated that he would have announced the number after any adjustments.
Therefore, we got the 'after recruit' number, not the 'before recruit' number.

In post 1412, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 1399, Thor665 wrote:It's "hard to explain" how I'm thinking like you?

yes

How about you quote the first post you recall me making where I thought like you.
Then, y'know - explain why it made you feel that way.
This is starting to feel incredibly faked.

Thor665 · Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:27 pm

Who knows - maybe I'm just making stuff up.
Ask Mollie, she thinks like I do.

Thor665 · Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:40 pm

It's not just me though, right, my stock went up with the lynch on Hoopla and now I'm more worth buddying, right?

Because I feel like I was just chainsawed, is sorta where I'm coming from.

Thor665 · Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:53 pm

Does anyone read Mod posts anymore?

Thor665 · Post Post #1434 (isolation #57) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:14 pm

In post 1432, pirate mollie wrote:this one [is the post I saw that made me start thinking you were town]:

You...um, did kind of immediately attack me after that post. So...basically I started looking town because you and I were thinking the same way so your response was to call my questions and answers to things dumb?

I dunno...this feels really fake still.

In post 1432, pirate mollie wrote:I could understand where you were closing in on your holes in your configuration of how you were trying to orient yourself in the game. does this make sense?

it was the start

am I wrong for town reading you because of that?

I dunno.
I'm not even sure I understand what you're even saying there - it's like you intentionally chose words to make it more garbled. I even like to fancy myself a logophile. Let's try to translate it, shall we?

Mollie could understand where Thor was closing in on the gaps in his setup of how he was trying to understand himself in the game.

...no...no, I'm still not getting it.
In English this time, pl0x?

In post 1433, pirate mollie wrote:shouldn't you only be feeling chainsawed if your scum partner is defending you

is matt your partner

I dunno, it's not how *I* understand the term Chainsaw to work. Generally the person being chainsawed is the town member that is being attacked by scum in order to defend their scumpartner.

What definition do you use?

And now that you know mine - thoughts?

Thor665 · Post Post #1435 (isolation #58) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:15 pm

Also, while I was looking at stuff.
Found this.
I don't want to forget that I asked this question.
Nor that I still want it answered.

In post 1204, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1202, Hiraki wrote:PeregrineV: Scum

hoopla: Lookin pretty townie
Whilst you do the other awesome stuff you're doing.
Both of these reads scream out for a bit of explanation.
You can use small words, I'm kinda slow.

Thor665 · Post Post #1440 (isolation #59) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:22 pm

@Mollie - whether or not I will understand has very little to do with your ability to put something that you understand into discernible language. Try again. Tell you what, when even one other player admits to understanding the sentence I'll stop asking.

@ANYONE - heck, if anybody here can translate her sentence for me, I'll sheep ya, how're them apples?

@Molli again - I see no value in needing to defend the normal definition of Chainsaw defense when I used it correctly and you do not.
Regardless of that - respond to my accusation of you now that you are aware what I meant when I said Chainsaw. I don't care what you want to call it. You Aardvark Attacked me, if you like. Now respond.

If I am town I am expending energy on things I don't understand in order to understand them so I can make informed decisions. Last I checked that was part of what scumhunting, and the entire purpose of town players, was all about. Feel free to tell me your theory on how it should be done as long as you answer the question about your read switch on me first.

Thor665 · Post Post #1442 (isolation #60) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:48 pm

Are you kidding me?
Because this is even more nonsensical than normal from you.
On all counts.

1. I did give my definition.
2. I asked you to respond to it.
3. There's a Wiki system if you want to look up the definition to see if my stated definition is wrong as though that means anything.
4. I still see a failure to manage to explain your read on me. It's a sentence, theoretically it means something to you - reword it.

Thor665 · Post Post #1443 (isolation #61) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:49 pm

People should learn how to read the fething thread before ever questioning anyone else's scumhunting skills.

Thor665 · Post Post #1446 (isolation #62) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:06 pm

Because Thor is known for bluffing...

Give me a second you silly worm - then you better answer the questions or I'll lynch you out of bemusement.

Thor665 · Post Post #1448 (isolation #63) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:10 pm

1. I did give my definition.
2. I asked you to respond to it.
3. There's a Wiki system if you want to look up the definition to see if my stated definition is wrong as though that means anything.
4. I still see a failure to manage to explain your read on me. It's a sentence, theoretically it means something to you - reword it.

SUPER HARD TO DO.

Now, what was that I heard, something in worm speak about putting up...y'know, or just answering really normal questions instead of pathetic dodging them due to derp inability to read the thread or use the search function on the Wiki?

Thor665 · Post Post #1449 (isolation #64) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:10 pm

In post 1447, Oversoul wrote:Thor if I can translate that sentence I want you to sheep me on Iec.

Do so and I shall.

Thor665 · Post Post #1452 (isolation #65) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:12 pm

What are the holes in my configuration?

Thor665 · Post Post #1453 (isolation #66) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:13 pm

Above is @Oversoul.

Thor665 · Post Post #1456 (isolation #67) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:15 pm

Is there a case on Iec other than 'he's useless?'
There's a lot of that going around.

Also, you haven't earned the sheep unless you can translate the sentence. Yes, I know it isn't actually translatable - but that's the point. She intentionally put together a garble-speak answer for...reasons.
I'm not sure why.

Edit: Yeah - I'm working on that whole mystery. I swear she's gotten worse in every game I've played with her.

Thor665 · Post Post #1457 (isolation #68) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:17 pm

I mean - I suppose my working theory is 'She *was* chainsawing me and then shifted me to a town read due to strategic need, and didn't have a good reason, and I caught her in that, and now she's desperate to avoid admitting it'.

But I'd like to give her a chance to prove me wrong.
Even as she keeps being scummy and full of bad play.

Thor665 · Post Post #1458 (isolation #69) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:20 pm

Looking back - the page she challenged me to give my definition.
It was the same page I'd given my definition. (which, incidentally and for the record, remains the correct use of the term...just, y'know, saying)

The hell is this?

Thor665 · Post Post #1469 (isolation #70) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:34 pm

In post 1460, Human Destroyer wrote:"I can understand how you were trying to focus on the parts of your reads that you were unsure about or had problems in order to get yourself settled in the game."

that sound about right?

Also known as 'I think you were scumhunting'
Maybe...that does make sense.
Except she said we were thinking alike...so, is the logic, 'Thor was scumhunting...I also was scumhunting; hey, we're alike!'

In post 1460, Human Destroyer wrote:also, would you happen to sheep onto yourself?

VOTE: Thor

(and no, it has nothing to do with your mollie argument)

Sure,

Vote: Thor

How was Orcinus scummy in any way at all?

Thor665 · Post Post #1472 (isolation #71) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:38 pm

In post 1467, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 1465, pirate mollie wrote:why not just use wking if you are trying to apply it to scum defending town
Better question...why does it matter?

Better, better question - still answer my questions.
Y'know, the ones I had to put up or shut up about, and gave you links to as demanded...and you're still not responding to?

Specifically I still want you to respond to my accusation to you as regards the timing of your read reverse on me. Especially since you can't even explain how it happened.
Am I not supposed to find your "wking" an issue at that point?
Whatever the hell 'wking' means. (AND I DON'T CARE, DON'T DEFINE IT AS ANOTHER DODGE, JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION AND PROVE YOU HAVE THE BRAINS GAWD GAVE GRASSHOPPERS)

Thor665 · Post Post #1473 (isolation #72) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:38 pm

In post 1471, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 1457, Thor665 wrote:I mean - I suppose my working theory is 'She *was* chainsawing me and then shifted me to a town read due to strategic need, and didn't have a good reason, and I caught her in that, and now she's desperate to avoid admitting it'.

But I'd like to give her a chance to prove me wrong.
Even as she keeps being scummy and full of bad play.
this doesn't even freaking make sense

Why not?

I'd be *happy* to hear your take on it.
I've been...y'know, asking for it for a while now...

Thor665 · Post Post #1476 (isolation #73) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:44 pm

Thor665 · Post Post #1479 (isolation #74) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:53 pm

In post 1477, pirate mollie wrote:where are the links

cos I might be missing the ones you posted in the fury of posting

I asked you what the difference was

So...you're scumhunting me by...not reading anything I post?
Do i have that right?

Thor665 · Post Post #1484 (isolation #75) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:10 am

This is getting fascinating quick.

Thor665 · Post Post #1489 (isolation #76) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:20 am

In post 1485, Human Destroyer wrote:This is why orc was scummy btw:

In post 134, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 133, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:HD explain your read
a) PoE (a lot of people are just bleeding town all over the thread)
b) Your (extremely few and far between) posts of analysis are shallow and lack an actual search for town/scum motivation.
c) Your push on Molla is horrible.
d) Your reaction to me saying you were scum is terrible.
e) Your reaction to mothrax saying you were scum was to deflect the attention back to him, which is, yet again, terrible. (
Present HD Edit: This became a trend with him doing this to me constantly as well
)

More votes here plsthx.

a) You have a town read on Mollie and Hiraki? I mean, who are your PoE reads that won't be voted? This is rather meaningless, all it says is I am not townish to you. (and, really, how many scum factions are you banking on here?)
b) Yep, from a slot that replaced out because he didn't like larges. Shocking.
c) Worse than her push on me?
d) I'll take your word for it, I suppose - why was it scummy though?
e) That is actually a decent tell...though mothrax=mollie, so it feels like it's still part of c.

With the edit I am forced to ask - do you think that's a playstyle tell then, at this point. When he does it twice it starts to suggest he thinks it's normal. Did you evr glance at other games to get a meta read on that, or did you rule it out as a playstyle trait for some other reason, or did you never consider this?

Also, why is Mollie/Mothrax town?

Thor665 · Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:13 am

In post 1490, chkflip wrote:I have literally never seen Thor self vote.

Thor, what are you doing?

Seeing what happens, I thought that was clear.
That said, since no one but me read the me/Mollie exchange, I figured it would be at least worthwhile to see those willing to vote me over that sonsidering her logic for the vote.
I was also curious who would defend me.

Thor665 · Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:23 am

In post 1492, chkflip wrote:I just don't get why it'd come to this

I know.
And yet it did.
I'm not sure why either.
Of course this may be Socratic method, but, whatevs, they can defend themselves. One would like to think.

Thor665 · Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:09 am

In post 1496, PeregrineV wrote:Read some of this earlier, but if Hoopla was recruited N1, and EmpKing "contacted" her night1, what did I miss?

Vote: EmpKing

More later tonight.

Because we're waiting for Emp's defense in that regard.
At least I am - who knows about the rest of these yahoos. They're wagoning me because, I guess, of my long history of cracking under pressure.

Thor665 · Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:35 pm

In post 1502, Human Destroyer wrote:Oh...I actually forgot about that...

In post 1502, Human Destroyer wrote:thor you'll get responses when I'm feeling less lazy

also did you just call yourself a yahoo?

1. Hurm...
2. No - I called you and other players here yahoos. I'm not sure why you're even asking this.

Thor665 · Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:36 pm

Oh also, if Empking can dance to a tune enough to appease me.
We should lynch Hiraki.

Thor665 · Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:59 pm

In post 1509, pirate mollie wrote:why not

that is the first thing that thor has that said I liked

Y'know, other than the things I did that looked town.

@Matt - why is he town?

Thor665 · Post Post #1513 (isolation #83) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:03 pm

I really don't want to.

You can't paraphrase?

Thor665 · Post Post #1515 (isolation #84) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:10 pm

1. Maybe it does - why should I pay attention to him? I agree he's useless...currently he appears to be equal levels of useless to Hiraki minus the question dodging.

2. What is it with people having reads they can't explain? If it's gut just say so, it's less mysterious but oddly more acceptable.

Thor665 · Post Post #1529 (isolation #85) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:37 pm

In post 1516, MattP wrote:I think it's more effective for you to ISO and try to guess why he's town ty [:

So...'gut' ?

Thor665 · Post Post #1558 (isolation #86) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:20 am

In post 1539, Empking wrote:We don't know for certain that Hoopla was recruited. Also, just as my action couldn't be role blocked it also might not be voyeured. Also, I think Hik is town.

You didn't answer my clarification question.
Is your power targeted during the day?
Also, considering how long it takes to get a reply from you - how about you just clarify *exactly* how you power works, right now.
M'kay?

In post 1552, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 1550, MattP wrote:Myko said that it would show up as recruit
He actually said could, Matt. And you know the difference between would and could.

In post 1554, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 1323, mykonian wrote:
Contact with bodily fluids between a zombie and a healthy person is known to have severe health effects, namely the healthy person turning into a zombie.
And according to mod, I expect an EmpKing zombie flip at this point, even if he wasn't before.

By that same logic you are also a a zombie.
Discuss.

Thor665 · Post Post #1560 (isolation #87) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:24 am

1. Link?
2. Whut? Why would that make you think it couldn't be voyeured?

Thor665 · Post Post #1566 (isolation #88) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:03 am

@Pere

- This is page 65 of a large theme where I pretty drastically destroyed the defense of the only flipped scum in a situation that suspiciously looks like there is only one scum faction - why is anybody voting me considering the currently presented cases?

Also, I'm hunting Empking, and the wagon on me is going nowhere fast, so I have no need to move at the moment.

Thor665 · Post Post #1567 (isolation #89) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:03 am

I mean, no one has even nutted up enough to call me a recruiter.
Odd that.

Thor665 · Post Post #1570 (isolation #90) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:19 am

In post 1568, Empking wrote:Thor:
In post 1369, Empking wrote:
In post 1359, Thor665 wrote:So you, what, target that during the day?
No I sent it in during the night, but I think I could have done it in twilight.
If Voyeur's see night actions and my action doesn't count as a night action then...

If we come to a conclusion that my action would be seen then if I'm lynched you'll know Hoopla wasn't recruited, but I don't think we can rush to that conclusion.

Yeah...and I had a follow up question to that.

So you're saying your ability can be targeted during Twilight or Night?
Why would you not expect a Voyeur to see your ability if you targeted it during the night?

Thor665 · Post Post #1572 (isolation #91) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:20 am

Also - functionally doesn't every Day phase have two Twilights in this game...

Remember that feelign I got about Hoopla's claim?
I think I may have just got it about you.
Talk to me, Goose.

Thor665 · Post Post #1574 (isolation #92) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:51 am

Oh, so you can target in the 'post day phase' and just changed that to 'twilight' to help make things clearer to people?

I'm not sure I'm buying this...why should I buy this?

Thor665 · Post Post #1575 (isolation #93) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:53 am

And Twilight has a number of definitions - specifically it is post lynch prior to flip though. So, yeah, this game has two of them methinks.

Thor665 · Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:05 am

In post 1576, Empking wrote:You should buy it because you were half the conversation.

Why is Chk scum?

Thor665 · Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:28 am

Do you think anyone is scum? Town? Aardvark?

Thor665 · Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:38 am

No scum or aardvark reads?

Thor665 · Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:13 am

My point being - none of them are scumhunting.
They're reaction fishing.
Badly.
Or are scum.

Thor665 · Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:14 am

Vote: Iecerint

Thor665 · Post Post #1592 (isolation #99) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:14 pm

In post 1588, MattP wrote:i have a guilty on empking

You're lying so...

What was that I said about really bad reaction testing?

In post 1590, pirate mollie wrote:nah, I am liking where his head is at

I had a town read on him at first, he freaked, we fought, kaney told us to stfu and I think we are good with each other now

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:11 am

People are lurking and failing at this game.

I think Emp is probably not Zombie.
I don't understand the chk wagon.
I'd rather lynch Iec or Mollie.

Discuss.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:28 am

@Pere - what of your results suggests he's scum if not a Zombie?

I agree.

I sort of think that's what I've been doing since about three days ago or so. They aren't even responding to snide remarks. Well, some of them are, by being snide in return and acting like I'm the one not scumhunting. WHich makes me think they're even more likely terrible at the game and/or bad at scumhunting, but I'm willing to be amazed if there's a reverse in that trend.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:54 am

RE: Empking = teh scumz - There's a more relevant question that no one is asking - I'm waiting to see if anyone does.

RE: The twon = teh fail. Wasn't aware I was trying to argue that they weren't

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:19 am

You're not even scumhunting the case that's on you.
Is there any actual problem with lynching you? What do you think of the wagon on you and the case they're vaguely presenting?

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:15 am

I see no value in responding to that post.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:16 am

In post 1602, Empking wrote:
In post 1601, Thor665 wrote:You're not even scumhunting the case that's on you.
Is there any actual problem with lynching you? What do you think of the wagon on you and the case they're vaguely presenting?
Is that to me.

Yes.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:22 am

In post 1604, Thor665 wrote:I see no value in responding to that post.

Actually, I will respond to that post, but in this way;

Mollie Posts: Huge walls of reads and debates and demands - a centric idea is that she had a town read on me, got a scum read, and now has a 'we're okay read' or whatever she'd like to call it.
Still is voting me.
Isn't scumhunting me.
Isn't scumhunting others.
Confused by, of all things, the Emp wagon.
Acts bewildered and offended that I hold the opinion she isn't scumhunting in this game.

That's my response.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:23 am

Oh, functionally, that's also my case for why she needs death too.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:26 pm

In post 1611, pirate mollie wrote:I like my vote where it is unless I can work out something about the empking/perv thing.

So you *are* calling me scummy still then?

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:26 pm

I will note though, i am aware that now you're scumhunting in other places.
Kudos to you!

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:15 pm

@Mollie;

1. The Mod said there is limited flavor in this game.
2. Thor says the Zombies = Cult in his belief.
3. Conclusion - Thor is scum because...there is limited flavor...so it's probably not a bastard game.

Huh?

@Matt - what's your read on Iec, if any?

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:49 pm

In post 1627, pirate mollie wrote:what has been discussed is if this is a bastard game it has to be stated in the sign-ups or something. cult is bastard.

It is?

In post 1627, pirate mollie wrote:what I am saying is that you were super quick to support the idea that there was a cult. I even posted the posts you made about it.

if there is limited flavour than why would you push the idea "the zombie thing qualifies as a cult"?

1. Wasn't aware I denied it...also not aware how that makes me scum.

2. I dunno, maybe the part of the limited flavor that said if a Zombie got you alone it would make you a zombie...probably that. Why, what did you take it to mean?

In post 1631, pirate mollie wrote:also thor if you were going on about the cult thing why are you not voting empking?

What makes him assured scum if there is a cult?

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:50 pm

Also, if you do not believe there is a cult - why aren't you voting HD?

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:54 pm

In post 1635, kanyeknowsbest wrote:thor that was the enxt question. ur not supposed to ask that yet

Why beat around the bush about how she's not making sense when she is loudly proclaiming how much sense she's making?

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:04 pm

Oh posh - by attacking me the way she did she'd already blatantly established that she believed it was scummy to believe a cult is in this game. At that stage she has to accept the 3 or claim to have beleif in some other wonky mechanic extracted from thin air. The bushes were already on fire, I just pointed it out.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:10 pm

In post 1639, pirate mollie wrote:1. Wasn't aware I denied it...also not aware how that makes me scum.

where did I make the argument that you denied it? stahp strawmanning me[/quote]
Still unaware how it makes me scum.

In post 1639, pirate mollie wrote:to me it read as flavour. in a game where it is stated that there is limited flavour I take it to mean wrt roles. what do you think?

You seem to agree that 'zombie' is a non-standard role.
So...y'know, it sort of makes sense if maybe within the flavor it was clued in as to what said role was.
Sounds like Cult to me.

But, as I understand it, you're saying in a 'limited flavor' game that you expected a 'flavor flip'
...okay.
I didn't.

How does that make me scum?

In post 1639, pirate mollie wrote:then what exactly is your cult theory hanging on? the write-up?

Yes - that's what I said when I first brought it up and that's what I said this time around.

In post 1639, pirate mollie wrote: so what do you think has happened so far?

If I knew that I would say for certain. I do have a number of theories - but I see little value in expounding on them at this stage as they're just theories.

In post 1639, pirate mollie wrote: do you think that empking recruited hoopla? do you think that hoopla infected empking? mebbe perv? cos you have somehow managed to stay away from all of that except for saying that it is a cult game. and your vote is on no one.

1. Maybe.
2. Doubtful, I think the Zombies work as a Cult - as I said.
3. Again, doubtful.
4. Saying that I think they are Cult is...sort of a *very explicit* statement of what I think is going on.
5. My vote is on Iec. So...whut?

Again, how does any of this make me scum?
You seemed to act like there was some sort of logical connection - I still don't see it.
Been asking about it.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:10 pm

In post 1641, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 1633, Thor665 wrote:Also, if you do not believe there is a cult - why aren't you voting HD?
why aren't you?

Because I believe there is a Cult - why is that hard to understand?
Why aren't you?

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:11 pm

In post 1643, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 1636, kanyeknowsbest wrote:
In post 1629, kanyeknowsbest wrote:heres another question then molly, if were not dealing with a cult, do you believe there are and will always be only 2 more scum in this game?
this is the important question please dont dodge this 1 molly baby
no

myko had 2 scum in ny game of I think 16 players. trying to do the numbers does not work in trying to reverse engineer the gm's brain, at least that has been my experience.

Link?

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:26 pm

In post 1648, kanyeknowsbest wrote:thor youve clearly played with molly before. is she always literally this fuckin retarded? this is the thing i struggled with molly d1 and early d2 about, the things shes saying are just so ridiculous and i would lynch and decent player for saying, but every time i consider it here its just so over the top that i have doubts that its malicious.

I'm not sure. I think this is my 3rd time playing with her (and replaced into her slot once)
As she noted, I've tried to lynch her every single time.
First time she was scum.
Other times are ongoing.

In post 1649, kanyeknowsbest wrote:also why are you even humoring her on half of this? why are u rolling around in the mud with her? the back and forth between the 2 of u over the last few pages is just painful to look at.

I consider the conversations to be important in trying to figure out if it's natural derp on her part or scummy derp.
It's difficult because she is a question dodging and AtE machine though - I keep wading into the mud to see if I can come up with a diamond or a chunk of coal.
SO far all I've got is mud, but I consider the dives worth the effort.
The alternative is to just toss my hands up and walk away - which is even less helpful.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:31 pm

In post 1650, pirate mollie wrote:I am saying I do not think that zombie is a role at all and I think the scum team are zombies unless this is multi-ball and there is more than 1 team.

What's your read on HD?

In post 1650, pirate mollie wrote:okay so what do you think myko meant when he said, "limited flavour".

That there would be a limited amount of flavor in the game.

In post 1650, pirate mollie wrote:this is the second time you have used the argument, "I see no value in responding". how is this not dodging?

No - this is the first time I said I see no value in *expounding* which is rather different.
This is not a dodge, it is an explicit answer of your question. Now you're supposed to react to it.

In post 1650, pirate mollie wrote:missed that your vote was icey who has done freak all this game.

Yes...and?

In post 1650, pirate mollie wrote:so you think that it is a cult game that snuck past mod review and was advertised as non bastard?

Cult games have to be advertised as bastard?
Is that a rule?

In post 1650, pirate mollie wrote:cos you are inserting wifom instead of trying to cut through the chaff.

that is what makes you look scummy

My "wifom" is saying "I think this is a Cult game"
...that's, not actually wifom - that's the opposite, it's a deceleration of an opinion.
How does this make me scummy?

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:33 pm

Oh shush, she'll be showing me that rule and then explaining how I'm scum in a few moments.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:34 pm

Or, maybe, admitting she's making stuff up out of whole cloth.
One or the other, I would think.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:42 pm

In post 1656, pirate mollie wrote:I think I already answered this

No, you didn't.

In post 1656, pirate mollie wrote:but here is a question. why did you not ask the mod directly as to whether or not this was a cult game?

Because if he chose not to advertise it then he did so intentionally.
That's like me asking a mod if it's a multiple scum team setup - either they advertise it or they won't admit it.
But, sure, let's humor this;

@Mod - yo, is this a Cult game or does it have any factions/abilities that can change player alignments?

I expect to be AWED by the clarity of this answer.

In post 1659, chkflip wrote:Thor, what's the Iecerint case exactly? Basically that he's too town to not be cult?

How is he too town?
He seems shockingly useless to me. What am I missing?

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:42 pm

In post 1665, kanyeknowsbest wrote:
In post 1664, kanyeknowsbest wrote:objection non responsive
thats legal speak for answer the Smurfng question molly.

It's not even a hard one.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:44 pm

I didn't even notice - but I'm not surprised. It's an obvious thing he can't answer.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:45 pm

Oh, man, why didn't we ask the mod if HD's roleclaim was legit?
Why didn't we do that instead of debating our opinions about it!?!

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:45 pm

@Mod - is Mollie scum, I need a Daycop investigation on her - stat!

I should have thought of this years ago.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:47 pm

Unvote: Iec
Vote: PirateMollie

I may unvote if she answers the question though - just from shock.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:51 pm

In post 1677, chkflip wrote:lol'd Thor, just trying to get the whole perspective. So you think he's recruiter laying low?

Sure, let's let that be my logic.
Why is he so town though? Seriously?

In post 1679, kanyeknowsbest wrote:btw i probably missed it in the dreck of molly posts but thor what was your final position on empking

I've openly claimed to see him as town.
In reality I may be lying about that, but it's my current stance for the moment.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:05 pm

In post 1658, kanyeknowsbest wrote:like your next post had better be addressing why you are not voting hd right this instant or were done here.

Thor665 · Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:27 am

In post 1690, Quilford wrote:this game!

i feel like empking and chkflip are both good votes. buttttt VOTE: empking role stuff points here and i don't have strong reads atm

What is the logic of Empking being scum off role related stuff?

In post 1692, Hiraki wrote:
In post 1690, Quilford wrote:role stuff points here
what

Why are you not reading the game/answering questions directed at you?

Regardless of your role PM you're playing against town's wincon right now, so what's up with that?

Thor665 · Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:50 am

I already *did* re-ask the question.
Why so butt-hurt about this?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5035849
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5039017

And what's the other stuff you're doing that I am distracting you from?
I can't tell.

Thor665 · Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:14 am

It's not a question to ask you to explain two reads?

No, that's a question, allow me to rephrase it;

@Hiraki - could you please explain your read of, the reasoning you used to get there, of both Pere and Hoopla?

There, it's a question.

Thor665 · Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:09 pm

In post 1697, Thor665 wrote:@Hiraki - could you please explain your read of, the reasoning you used to get there, of both Pere and Hoopla?

Thor665 · Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:16 pm

Because I am suspicious of him having that read when he had it.

The fact that he's trying to answer by saying 'working on it' when it's a read he already offered hardly fills me with town feelings about it either.
Why, what's your horse in this race?

Thor665 · Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:14 pm

In post 1702, Hiraki wrote:
In post 1202, Hiraki wrote:I'm going to focus on getting Peregrine dead for now before figuring out which of my town reads are prob wrong.
Because Hoopla isn't scum, Peregrine is town for the moment. It was a very much one or the other thing.

What?

In post 1703, chkflip wrote:Meh. Just don't see a lot of treasure at the end of that road either way. You've played with Hiraki before, no?[/strike].

Not really, I think he's been tangentially around in another large recently, but [ongoing] plus I died early.

Thor665 · Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:15 pm

In post 1707, pirate mollie wrote:the main thing that I do like is his drop on iceyrent

Says someone who was just recently introduced to the idea I'm even voting Iec.

Thor665 · Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:16 pm

In post 1688, kanyeknowsbest wrote:so is it safe to say you think hd is town then or what?

@Mollie - the above was also directed at you.

Thor665 · Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:25 pm

So why don't you think there is Cult again?

Thor665 · Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:26 pm

In post 1714, pirate mollie wrote:cos I thought that cult games were supposed to be advertised. but when a bunch of people started saying it was cult, I thought it was wifom. the situ has been cleared that cult games are allowed if not advertised but frowned upon.

So how does this affect your cas eon me - there was a point where this was a *MAJOR* aspect of how I was scum, and now it's like...oh, yeah..that was totally reasonable for Thor to bring up as a belief...by the way, read on Thor not changing.

Whassup?

@Emp

- I actually don't think there is a scumslip there that Matt found.
That said, he does raise an interesting point that's more valid - *why did you start town reading* Hoopla?
I personally don't believe you found him scummy just because you asked him if he was scum in a QT, but you certainly didn't find him townish either, by your own admission - so what the heck changed?

Thor665 · Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:41 pm

I suppose, for me it's probably more of a language debate. I don't see that as a 'slip' I see that as a potential hole in logic flow.
Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.

Thor665 · Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:43 am

In post 1220, Empking wrote:
In post 1216, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1211, Empking wrote:
In post 1179, Thor665 wrote:That said, you're voting Pere - what's up with that? Do you still think he's scum, or do you support Hoopla death now, or what?
I still think he's scum.
Why?
I mean, even the initial case might be nice to hear - but the claim is pretty grapefruits to the wind if it's a lie, and it's only Day 2, so... :shrug:
Clarify?
Hoopla is one of the better players in the game; I can see grapefruiting.

@Kanye - I think this is the post giving me pause about Emp.

It's before Hoopla's claim.
It's after Pere's.

Functionally in it, Emp clarifies that he thinks Pere is flat out lying about his claim.
That makes sense coming from a neighborizer who is thinking that a neighborize action should have been visible to said Voyeur.

How are you moving past that one, emotionally and/or intellectually?

@ANYONE VOTING EMPKING

- feel free to leap in and answer that one as well, it might make you and this wagon look more pro-town.

Thor665 · Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:55 am

In post 1749, Iecerint wrote:Thor, that post indicates a Emp->Hoopla town read. Posts like that are inconsistent with Empking's subsequent claim that he neighborized Hoopla on the basis that she was merely a name he recognized, absent any kind of town read. (Dunno what "grapefruiting" means, though.)

1. Grapefruiting is explained in the context of my post right before his - he quoted it. What confuses you?

2. Yes, it does indicate an Emp -> Hoopla town read (even moreso it indicates a Pere = Liar mindset). What is the inconsistency?

Thor665 · Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:56 am

Allow me to present the timeline as I understand it.

1. Emp neighborizes Hoopla because it's a name he recognizes.
2. He asks Hoopla if he is scum in the QT.
3. Emp votes Pere for reasons (heck if I know what they were, I'm too lazy to even go look)
4. Hoopla is called scum by someone claiming to be a Voyeur who did not see the neighborize.
5. Emp, still not claiming, shows desire to lynch Pere, a player that from his perspective has to be lying about his claim.
6. Emp states he thinks Pere is lying.
7. Emp is called out for inconsistency of reads.

I follow the flow really well until Part 7.
Can you clarify it?

Thor665 · Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:57 am

In post 1753, Iecerint wrote:The main argument
against
EmpScum I can see is that it doesn't make much sense for Hoopla to implicate her friend in this way unless she was just pretty confident she could get through it.

Interestingly - I consider that the best argument

for

Empscum.

Thor665 · Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:37 am

Why did Hoopla make a good recruit?

Thor665 · Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:39 pm

Thor is confirmed town.

Thor665 · Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:13 pm

You may or may not be scum now depending on the made-up logic Mollie is using today.

But, yes, sheeping me is a good idea.
And there are likely 2 scum and only cult depending on whether or not you believe HD's claim.

Thor665 · Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:15 pm

And I miss a page - and am basically proven correct in my thoughts.

Thor665 · Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:34 pm

I wouldn't be mad insomuch as I think he's a highly likely lynch and I think it needs to happen.
I would be frustrated because people came into today with that in their head and are just leg-humping the idea without asking any questions, which feels kinda lazy and dumb.

So, about ten minutes of annoyance followed by about ten days of rubbing your face in it if I prove to be correct.

Thor665 · Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:39 pm

I'm not going so far as to call him town.
What I'm saying is I don't think there's a slam dunk case for him being scum either.

We're lynching him for wifom logic and I'm the only one who seems to be aware of it - everyone else is acting like it's an open-and-shut case and are even making up this gakky 'slip' or 'inconsistency' stuff to act like there's meat to the case, when there isn't. That worries me.

Thor665 · Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:49 pm

Do you think he's scum?

Thor665 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:36 am

Except, of course, he didn't.

Thor665 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:41 am

In post 1805, Human Destroyer wrote:If she had started as a Zombie that could recruit more zombies, that would've probably been specified.

How do you figure this.
Because this is where you're losing me.

Thor665 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:42 am

I mean, just crazy off the top of my head concept.

Hoopla played bad Day 1 because she was already scum.

Discuss.

Thor665 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:56 am

In post 1808, Human Destroyer wrote:I figure it based on the fact that Zombie Recruiter would recruit more zombies and that a regular Zombie wouldn't be able to recruit to prevent the Zombiecult from being too broken.

In post 1809, AngryPidgeon wrote:Thor, I'm like 99% sure you are town so talk to me. What is the circlejerky emp-case that people are sheeping? Is it just that he claimed a neighborize on Hoopla? If that is it, then I do understand why people want to follow it.

You have it there in the nutshell already.
Though I would add in some of Hoopla's 'forgetfulness' about being neighborized and then the concept of not thinking Neighborize might come up as recruit.
So now that you understand it are you going to take a stand on it?

In post 1810, Human Destroyer wrote:Or she played bad because she was having a bad game; that isn't alignment indicative really.

Plus, I think I had a townread on her Day 1 for reasons, I forget and I'd have to check though.

1. And the mod saying what he said *is*?

2. Oooookay...

Have to admit, not really blown away by either response there.

I mean, I feel I can justify better why this was obviously a scum recruitment of Hoopla, and I'm not even pushing the case right now, I'm pushing some other case.

Edit: that's a decent catch for Day 1 Hooplatown.

Thor665 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:19 am

@Matt - this is terrible.

Thor665 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:51 am

I like that list except for Iec - which I'm still not seeing.

Thor665 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:52 am

It's based on the pages since I replaced in.

Why, were you awesome before then? Because you haven't been since.

Thor665 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:12 pm

In post 1880, pirate mollie wrote:what I am in total awe is how ap is saying some of the same stuff that I have already said, bringing up the same points that I brought up and yet thor is somehow managing to stay away from him. and everyone seems to be missing this.

I can wait five minutes and you will change your logic reasons but not your conclusions.
I can wait 5 minutes and AP will change his reads.

That's the difference.

Thor665 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:11 pm

Oh, we aren't?

Thor665 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:32 pm

In post 1889, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 1888, kanyeknowsbest wrote:idk ppl are acting like we arent which is weird.
I don't really get it either. Is there even an argument for town Empking, or are people just being like "Hey let's not lynch him because we don't have to!"?

That's what I'm saying.
It's interesting where the votes are and are not moving as a response to that though.
Especially considering what people aren't saying.

@AP - warning, here there be dragons.

Thor665 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:46 pm

The only reason I don't believe hat is true is because I would have to hate Myrk and whoever the SoBs that reveiwed this game are if that was true.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:10 am

He's answered that already.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:40 am

That's L-1, someone going to make this adventure happen?

Thor665 · Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:56 am

In post 1922, AngryPidgeon wrote:Chkflip's scumcard. Alsk KKB's - look past the fact that he is agreeing with you on Mollie.

I'll just choose to ignore the relational tells from unflipped players as a valid read arguement and slide into the next stage of this;

Why is kanye so scummy?
Because he was the only player besides me who actually seemed to be digging on Hoopla, which, y'know, I'm taking as a towntell - what am I overlooking here?

Thor665 · Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:05 am

That's a fascinating concept considering that, at the point I replaced in, the wagons were functionally tied.
Also, y'know, there were certain players who took Hoopla's PR and night action claim and ground it into dust.

In other news - I still don't know why you think Kanye is scum.

Edit: Ah...so...gut?

Thor665 · Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:07 am

Is 'trying to look opinionated' and 'being opinionated' really two different things?
I mean, if he keeps lurching in and offering his opinion to ;look opinionated' isn't he...just, opinionated?

Thor665 · Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:26 am

In post 1928, AngryPidgeon wrote:Well, I hate that I have to generalize that as 'gut'. I'll do my best to point out instances that look fake to me but his stream of thoughts does not appear town-motivated to me. I could just drop some buzzwords like 'opportunistic', but I just caught up and Im at work. Gimme a little bit of time to muster some quotes.

Have you ever played with kanye before?

In post 1928, AngryPidgeon wrote:Also matt saying Im likely scum if Emp is town is pretty hilarious. FTR I love how both of them support an EMp lynch but neither is voting it.

I support the Emp lynch and am not voting it.
Matt even declared specifically why he was doing what he's doing.
Kanye is voting it according to the last mod votecount.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:41 am

In post 1932, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 1931, Thor665 wrote:Have you ever played with kanye before?
Oh god people asked me the same thing about Vifam in NY161.

His playstyle is similar to mine. I read those people better.

When you're using your read on him as a relational tell for a read on someone else - yeah, I kinda want to know how much thought was put into it and whether I want to accredit it any merit.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:05 am

Oh look, AP's reads changed.
Thor gets a cookie.
Mollie gets mocked.

In post 1922, AngryPidgeon wrote:Chkflip's scumcard. Alsk KKB's - look past the fact that he is agreeing with you on Mollie.

@AP - if you aren't using as a relational tell - what is this gak?

Thor665 · Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:14 am

Don't worry, they'll change again.

...no...you were saying that as an answer to my question about why Iec = teh townz. I don't think I'm being crazy here, why are you trying to shift what you said?

Thor665 · Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:15 am

In post 1922, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 1666, Thor665 wrote:How is he too town?
He seems shockingly useless to me. What am I missing?
Chkflip's scumcard. Alsk KKB's - look past the fact that he is agreeing with you on Mollie.

Here it is in context.
The 'he' I mention is Iec.

This is not 'here's why Iec is town...oh, by the way, stop giving KKB a pass.
It is Iec=town because scummy Chk and KKB think he's scummy.
That's a relational tell.
So WTS?

Thor665 · Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:50 am

In post 1943, AngryPidgeon wrote:Kkb was an unrelated thought.

I do think Iec is town for reasons I haven't really gone into.

1.

2. You are aware I specifically asked you why Iec was town, right? I mean, you apparently gave an answer that was 50% unrelated thoughts, so if you want to dial that in it would be great.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:13 pm

Scum team with recruit ability.
Also known as: Cult.

How crazy for Thor to be bringing up Cults. It's a scumtell on him.
I will act confused and offended that Thor isn't impressed by my play in this game.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:52 pm

In post 1957, pirate mollie wrote:thor looked scummy cos thor was doing scummy things like ignoring/dodging direct questions, not reading posts and misrepping

I have *other players* agreeing with me you did this.
So are you saying doing that is scummy?

Also, a Scum team that can recruit...that's actually a Cult that can kill.
But I'm sure I don't have enough brain cells - yadda, yadda, whiny insult here.

Thor665 · Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:01 pm

In post 1960, pirate mollie wrote:so let me get this straight from your POV....anytime scum have a recruit ability it makes them cult? like if scum can recruit a traitor does that make them cult? what about the SK mentee/mentor roles? what about an indie who can recruit a mason partner? I mean you are speaking in terms of very black and white here.

Are you claiming traitor as the same as recruit?
Because when I see 'scum with recruit' I see Cult.
If I see 'scum who has a traitor member within the town' then I could see a number of things.

AP saw you as scum early today.
I don't hold much strength to AP's reads because they're mercurial - he and I have had this discussion on a handful of occasions. I've even outright suggested his kanye read in this game is bad, do you disagree? Why?

Thor665 · Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:03 pm

In post 1966, pirate mollie wrote:okay, I will be less antagonistic to thor. scum love to watch town eat their own and right now I have a town read on him cos of the sheer force of his push.

sorry thor

I'm not offended by anything personal.
I am offended that you are treating the game like this while wanting me to believe you are town.
You do not appear to be playing.

Thor665 · Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:12 am

I'm about to hammer out of boredom, but I still want Mollie 'copped'.

Thor665 · Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:15 am

Looking at the VC I can buy Oversoul wanting to be a cop.
AP and chk need to figure out what the heck they are doing though.

Thor665 · Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:40 am

What part of my issue with Mollie are you missing?
Do you think she looks townish?

Thor665 · Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:23 am

In post 1979, Thor665 wrote:What part of my issue with Mollie are you missing?
Do you think she looks townish?

Thor665 · Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:46 am

1. Suck in your whiny man-mewling, I never asked you to change your vote.

2. I did ask you what part of my issues with Mollie you didn't grok, insomuch as you're asking *me* to give up my vote, so...y'know...the hell are you whining about me doing something you are doing?

3. I also asked for your read on her. Something you've been unable to put together with two responses. I'll try a third time - what is your read on Mollie. i care not one fig where your vote is right now, I want your read on Mollie. Y'know, a player in the game where we're supposed to be getting reads on each other?

Thor665 · Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:28 am

In post 1987, AngryPidgeon wrote:Mollie feels town because her stance on Thor reads genuine. Like. It is poorly conceived (no offense), but its also drawing suspicion on her because she can't make up her mind about it and keeps waffling and tunneling simultaneously. Which is hilariously town. Also she clearly cares about it, I can tell where her attention is and it just kind of forms a picture that makes sense for town-Mollie. Not the best read I've ever had, but its there.

I'd buy into that more except she drops the read when pressure on her builds, regains the read whenever I remind her I find her scummy, and has had me defeat her case four different times, but keeps changing the logic of the case and acting like it's still a case.

Functionally, I think she's actually just this bad, so I don't see that as clearing her from being scum, and the flow of the attacks on me feel scum motivated because she keeps 'dropping it' or 'reads me as town' but as soon as I go 'I still suspect you' she's raging again about how I'm scum. That feels scummy, not just silly towny.

I'd be fine with you hammering though would probably prefer Chk to do it.

Thor665 · Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:28 am

In post 1984, MattP wrote:My read on PM is wish washy. I had her as scum until I figured she couldn't be this bad and be scum simultaneously. Then I remembered UN in Posh. I'm on the fence here, but I don't and won't care about falling to either side of that fence until after confscum is lynched, because I don't see any productive reasoning for detracting attention away from scum that needs to be lynched

Does that suffice to answer your question?

So...you then agree that a cop of her would be a good thing, yeah?

Thor665 · Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:08 am

In post 1992, MattP wrote:
In post 1991, Thor665 wrote:So...you then agree that a cop of her would be a good thing, yeah?
Nah m8, I have a stronger scumread on chk than PM

Oh, they're exclusive? We aren't allowed to do both?

Thor665 · Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:10 am

In post 1995, pirate mollie wrote:nope ap needs to hammer. nice try though.

Why?

Thor665 · Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:01 pm

In post 2006, MattP wrote:Uh, wrong, because I'm ascetic, will never become zombie, and should be on my own. This is to try to reduce issues with players being converted to the opposite faction

Except by your own logic you would be the perfect safety catch to people being converted.
And that would then also allow people to confirm you beyond your claim.

In post 2059, pirate mollie wrote:itt:

mollie asks matt to explain the plan a bit more so I can wrap my head something I can go along with

matt meltsdown cos mollie does not immediately bow down to his wishes. like I probably would have done it if you said something like "trust your read on me". <--- I think I would have.

Also itt.
Matt explained his plan more than once at different points in the day, and Mollie stopped trying to figure it out after asking once.

In post 2066, Empking wrote:If Thor tells me self-voting is good for the town I'll do it.

Why does my opinion matter?
What's your opinion?

In post 2079, AngryPidgeon wrote:Thor

Have you read a scum game of mine to much extent?
I know you were in hpatpl very briefly.

Also your read on me is?

I am not sure if I have or haven't. I seem to mostly recall playing with you when you were town. I can only recall like 2-3 games though.

I lean slightly scummy on you because of how hard you're buddying me. The last few times we played you hard tunneled me both times and I was town once and scum once as I recall - I would not consider a 50% success ratio as making you rework your way of playing with me to this extent.

Why do you ask?

Thor665 · Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:48 pm

I think we're past the point of counter wagons considering the stage of the day.

I also will admit that I actually liked AP's town case on Iec from 1987. I'm not massively sold on it, but I think I'm sold enough to not want to random wagon him at this stage and potentially not for the rest of the game.
If we're lynching people for being useless it's hardly like Iec is alone in that category.

Thor665 · Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:45 pm

He'd been talking about that plan all ay.
I see no value in 'proving it' to you because, as with everything else I've proved to you, you'll change your facts and keep your end story the same. What do I get if I prove it? Because if all i get is yet another check on the list of 'things Thor has proven to Mollie in this game' I don't really need one.

Thor665 · Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:06 pm

If AP moves to Mollie, I'll hammer.

Thor665 · Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:11 pm

Even if you want that specific configuration, what the heck does it matter if we move around some of the names? I don't trust giving one person control of where the individual names are, and if you do then you're as dumb as AP thinks you are...

But seriously.

Thor665 · Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:09 pm

In post 2094, kanyeknowsbest wrote:i think matts town and hes the 1 who made that list i honestly dont even give a Smurf whos where but saying durhur im gonna hammer right heres kinda dumb when town is trying to set something up that may or may not pay off but why not go for it?

You do realize that I am also trying to set something up, and I don't give drastically that much more of a Smurf that you apparently are deciding Matt is confirmed town off what amounts to a BP claim which, last I checked, didn't make someone confirmed town.

My proposed shift gets people I want investigated investigated and also serves to help verify Matt and allows Matt to help verify as well.
Basically it is Matt's plan but without a Chk or Iec double check and a lack of trust or bother in getting Empking to vote where we want him to.

In post 2098, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 2090, Thor665 wrote:If AP moves to Mollie, I'll hammer.
I bet you would love that

You do realize I've had ample opportunity to hammer Empking prior to this.
So I'm not quite sure what you're accussing me of here.
Considering I'm a town read of yours...or whatever. Oh, right, I clarified that I still suspected you, that means I'm scum again.

Thor665 · Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:20 am

In post 2105, kanyeknowsbest wrote:no the bullet proof only means hes going to stay town. he was conftown in my eyes the moment the game was revealed as a cult game and i wasnt recruited n1.

also i missed the thing ur tryin to setup but to me it looked like the thing you were trying to set up was hammering empking and not caring too much about where other votes were?

1. Ooooookay.

2. Well, firstly I am blatantly trying to set up something otherwise I'd already just hammer. Secondly you should vote chkflip.

Thor665 · Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:27 am

It's actually more of a 'they all don't auto assume I'm town'

Which, I would think, would please him insomuch as it means we're thinking.
A sane response would be to consider the changed plan and try to figure out if there are ulterior motives (for instance, I am not double covering chk)
That said, considering Mollie's and Kanye's responses, maybe I'm over attributing the ability to tell what I'm doing.
After all, my desperate plan is not to care where the votes are and to just hammer Emp.

Because, y'know, now in the second period of him being at L-1 I'm quick hammering him and not trying to force people to move their votes.

Thor665 · Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:28 am

Though actually he's at L-2, which boggles the mind even more about what they thought my plan was.

Thor665 · Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:42 am

@Matt -

@AP - oh, look, you changed your reads again. Soon I will have a mountain of cookies.

Thor665 · Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:07 am

In post 2117, AngryPidgeon wrote:^ What a great post

Is there something you disagree with, or something you don't think I addressed?
Because though it might not be the greatest post in the land, I do think it's actually an applicable post to my reads and to the rather questionable posts its responding to.
Feel free to be specific, because actually I find your post to contain less relevant game info than my post.
Which sort of defeats the presumed insult of your post.

Thor665 · Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:09 am

In post 2118, MattP wrote:There is NOTHING protown about his actions, in fact there are several DECISIVELY ANTITOWN reasons for this execution of his, and his aggression is so out of the blue it's impossible to believe.

Please explain why he'd do that insomuch as the plan was to lynch Empking.
Because...y'know, we're lynching Empking.

Thor665 · Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:20 am

He can't stop the coordination, and if you're worried he's doing it to protect Iec (which is the only logical conclusion considering where his vote is) then you should ask OS to move and get your own supposedly invulnerable Ascetic backside onto OS so you can clarify if Chk will be lying.

It doesn't matter if he's disagreeable - it matters if he's disagreeable in a way that will advance/protect a scumgenda.

I currently don't see it.