DP8 Movie title mafia - Game Over

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Yeah, not only did none of the evil kill other evil, they even went out of their way to kill the wrong townies. So I guess there's a group of monster movies, a group of bond movies, and the trio of godfather movies? (Note that these could be groups of 1). 3 mafia groups of 2? 3-1-1? 3-2-1? Contact?

If I had to peg any one player for going after one of the newly deceased, I'd have to say bloojay going after blackhawk:

Vote: bloojay

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Yet he deftly avoids the two votes already on him....

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avoids mentioning, that is

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Vote: mathcam

for casting suspicion on someone who was voted two times on day 1. C'mon, Mathcam. I'd ignore those votes too. Why would you treat it like Bloojay is flying under the radar?

I'm not sure what you mean...he didn't have two votes on him when I cast suspicion on him to start with? He had no votes, I made a valid point about the bloojay/blackhawk rivalry, and decided that there's a better chance that bloojay would've gone after blackhawk than anyone else. Why would you ignore those votes? It's not like they were random. To not even comment when 2 out of the first 4 posts of the game have your name in it, and not just random votes?

I think I"m missing something on the Thoth post...(well, honestly, I think some

other

people are missing something in the Thoth post), but who knows? Anyone care to explain? Or would this give away the secretive facade?

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I still like the bloojay bandwagon. First, I don't find CB suspicious. Second, bloojay is better than random if you think it's more likely that bloojay would target blackhawk out of rivalry then it is that the mafia would intentionally go after blackhawk to frame bloojay. I think this is probably true. With the amount of evil running around, there's even a good chance that bloojay is evil

even

if my theory is way off base.

Werebear, though defending me, is still votinf for me. How odd.

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Or, perhaps, a suggestion that just turned out to be wrong?

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Yup. I too am somewhat tired of that argument. But I didn't pounce on bloojay for no reason...I mentioned why I thought voting him was better than random on several occasions, and I still feel that way.

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It seems highly unlikely to me that The Sound of Music is evil. Not only is it chock-full of puppies and niceness and stuff, but we've also already had a glimpse at what I presume all of the baddies in this game are.

No way Wacky gets my vote.

Let's think about the other fish here: Could massive be evil? If you think massive is suspicious, it means that you think that massive, in his voting of intendureddjinn, was somehow trying to vote indentureddjinn to the advantage of his bad guy team. I can't see a likely scenario for this... I doubt massive

knew

of Wacky's posting restriction, and it doesn't look like he has one of his own. No, I'd bet money that massive is guilty only of not reading the thread. (Or at the very least that if he's evil, he would have made the exact post if he had been pro-town.)

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ID, ID, ID....

At least we're down a mafia.

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Uh oh for Wacky....

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p.s. Nice!

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Oh, "so" is a musical note.

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Yeah, we never got specifics...I thought maybe he

had

to separate out all the notes if they were contained anywhere in his post. But for example, there's a "mi" in "mith" that didn't get separated out. So maybe he only needs to have one in each post, and he was just overdoing it yesterday so we'd notice the claim.

Or maybe he's in for a world of mod-generaed hurt.

Or maybe he's lying altogether about this claim.

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Actually, I think it's pretty common for a multiple-member killing group to send out the same person each night. That way

a) They don't give away how many people are in their group, and
b) Keeps more information about the roles in the game to themselves.

Of course, the SK scenario is also highly possible...if I were mod, I might call each group by a plural name regardless of how many were in each group.

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Really? Weird. Stupid sound of music miseducating thousands of English speakers.

Sol - a needle pulling thread?

Stupid Julie Andrews...

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Well, there's not a whole lot of suspiciousness around here, in my opinion, but reading back, I did notice Werebear voted for me for "pouncing" on Bloojay, who turned out to be scum, so

Vote: Werebear

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Heh. Nice sig.

You have a point, WB, but it's not like you came out and defended him. It was much more subtle...attacking the method by which I attacked Bloojay, rather than vice versa. That's why I feel this throws some suspicion in your direction, but as always, I'll be the first to admit that this is not strong evidence.

BY THE WAY, can I just point out how right I was about Bloojay killing Blackhawk night 1? I think I'll be giving myself some mad props for that.

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That's what WB said I did to Bloojay. His word.

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So...those are my reasons -- don't bother with a retaliatory rant

You didn't actually think you could pull that off, did you, MeMe?

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Can I just say how awesome it is to have so many active and experience players in this game?

On a more substantive note, I think massive makes a good point about Totem. The line about "I wonder if winning is impossible for the town," even if joking, struck me as a little odd.

My argument against Werebear was just that he attacked me yesterday for attacking Bloojay, for reasons which turned out to be valid, and he did so in a way that didn't come off as him defending Bloojay.

So I'm leaning between Totem and WB.

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I'm going to agree with Leo with a

FOS: Thoth

if

it turns out that mith is scum. I'll leave that for the future, though.

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I'm going to agree with Thoth with a

FOS: Leo

if

it turns out that mith is scum. I'll leave that for the future, though.

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You're very very fond of pronouncing yourself

"Mathcam - Defender Of The Town and Finder Of Scum"

Hm, I didn't realize I came off this way, so I apologize for that. I make enough dumb moves playing mafia that sure, I take some pride when I make an argument that works. I guess we'll just have to disagree on this particular case, then...I think this point was still very valid. I think bloojay killed Blackhawk specifically because they knew each other outside of mafia.

The only reason I can think of that you'd be so sure this wasn't the case is if you were in the mafia group with Bloojay and knew of some other procedure that determined blackhawk as the first victim.

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Hmm, that last vote count

is

pretty amusing. I'll read through again, but I can assure you that there is nothing about my role that propels me to vote for large lycanthropic woodland mammals. I just find WB a little scummy is all, and I'm a little surprised no one else does. But hey, sometimes I read thing that aren't there.

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please tell me if it's me you find likely to be scummy or d8p

Yup, I find you likely to be either scummy or d8P. Since you're not d8P (I think d8P is), that leaves only one option.

Unvote: Werebear, Vote: Totem

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Well, I'm not sure I'm any less suspcious of Totem... He was the most suspicious

before

the claim, and

then

just happened to pick one of the hardest claims to verify. But JereIC makes a good point, that in this game falsely claiming doc is a somewhat dangerous for the mafia to take.

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God, he probably just wanted to emphasize his claim that he was pro-town.

Do we now unvote Totem on the basis of a vague, weak claim and bandwagon someone else?

Not only this, but it's the weakest of weak claims. (Doc). Except possibly townie, but even then, from a mafia's point of view, there's no guarantee that there

are

generic townies, whereas there's almost certainly several doc-like roles.

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even dying from the hands of the mafia this night would be better for town than lynching.

Well I'm not exactly sure what that means, (presumably by intent), but since I won't be around between today and the deadline, I'm going to

Unvote: Totem

. I'm rapidly losing all gut feeling that he's guilty, but don't have anywhere better to put my vote right now.

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(mathcam's a wi-imp! mathcam's a wi-imp!)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I still find him a little suspicious, I just don't want to be one of the 5 lynching him at deadline because they weren't around for the weekend, in the case where everyone else somehow realized he was innocent. I'll accept a full portion of the blame for getting him lynched if he's innocent.

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So it looks like we've lost our 3 semi-immune townies, but woo for the Bond mafia deaths.

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This bandagon of three out of 13 votes? The only thing I can think is that God's got something bad that happens to him if he gets a bunch of votes. That, or he's being a little over-defensive. Townie-like, eh? Hmm.

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I think God has a point about the hider quote, but it still holds true even if it's, say, 3/3/1. This applies to the godfather clause as well...all it really tells us is that there's at least one godfather, and that's only an "almost sure" kind of thing.

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*stimulated*

Vote: God

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I don't have a strong feeling, but I have stronger feeling that Fishbulb is innocent than I do for God, so that's where my vote goes.

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I didn't need to know mathcam was stimulated. I really didn't.

Well, DP's posts do that sometimes.

I wish I had something intelligent to say to make this post worthwhile instead of a mildly obscene non sequitir, but I don't. Oh well.

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Hm, I actually thought Werebear had a point, at least if we assume that there's only one full doc left. If God's the doc, then he's already out, so there's no harm in asking anyone else that's a full doc to come out. If he's not the doc, then we've nailed a mafia and we're in the same position we're in right now, (i.e. doc out)

plus

there's one fewer mafia.

The only problem for me is the assumption of only one doc, and a possible confusion for some people as to whether or not their role is doc-like or not. If we were to go ahead with this plan, I would say that only a full doc (no extra weaknesses or anything) should come out.

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I definitely hear you on the modargo point, but the little I know of modargo makes me think that he's not the type of player to fake a jposting restriction like that. This, of course, doesn't mean he's not evil...

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Ahh...multiple mafias....good point. I was thinking that if God were mafia, then of course he wouldn't die overnight. So no, there's something I was fundamentally not understanding about my plan.

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Alright, I now understand the argument against Werebear, and WB's last post didn't seem to do much to quell his fears. And I think this is the only game we're both in that I haven't voted him in a while (:)) so

Unvote: God, Vote: Werebear

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While I agree in principle, Massive's been not posting everywhere. He's only had one post in the last 4 days or so, in which he mentioned a horrible connection through a hotel somewhere. Not that this absolves him, but it does partly explain the silence.

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It's unfortunate that the top three bandwagons are all on some of our most active players, but I suppose this is somewhat to be expected in a DP game. I'm still suspicious of Werebear, but somewhat so of Massive as well, and since I'd rather have an active die than an inactive (Massive's having trouble connecting to the internet), I'll

Unvote: Werebear, Vote: Massive

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How convenient! It turns out I didn't have to choose after all.

Vote: Werebear

Sneaky massive, jumping on that first-day bandwagon against his co-mafia and jumping off again. This is good...lots more information is now available.

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Anyone know what's up with this second day? Given that mafia's power only occurs at night, it sure seems like it must be caused by a pro-town ability.

I tend to think JEEP is innocent, but I also tend to think a lot of people are innocent. Except Werebear.

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Nope, not sure about Werebear. But he's my number one gut draw this game.

I don't see any harm in discussing everything, but I suppose I agree that we need to make sure we're

also

discussing the potential lynchees.

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Okay, I'll bite.

Unvote: Werebear, Vote: JereIC

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If you're innocent (or even not), I'll take a look at Phoebus tomorrow. Promise.

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I will ask: mathcam, I'm glad you did so, but why did you decided to give us two days in a row? You really shouldn't try to play dumb, it stands out too much. Can you do so multiple times? My list is less sure now but in order: Phoebus, MeMe, Mathcam (strictly because of the lame attempt saying "my ability is pro-town")
-JEEP

What makes you think I would play dumb? Or that I would be playing?

I can only use any night abilities I have once. I wouldn't want to use it day one, because we have very little information day one. Our lynches are more powerful later in the game. On the other hand, if I die overnight, we lose the ability altogether. And I didn't seem like a likely doc protect.

I suspect that you've simply run out of bad guys to hunt down, and that the presence of myself (and possibly MeMe) in your list, is just due to having no one else to go after. I guess we'll see tomorrow.

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Hm, yes. I started to write that while it was still night, and copied and pasted it over.

Yeah, I certainly understand why you would have flagged down the quote to which you're referring, and yes, I did want to plant the idea that the role is pro-town. If it comes down to me an two other people, I want people to have been thinking for as long as possible that my role is pro-town. If people object to that classification, then I can know that sooner rather than later.

All in all, however, I agree that God is the most suspicious.

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Agreed. It's absolutely necessary, God. Really.

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Vote: God

I guess we'll see.

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It's a little odd that God claimed doc. Hm. Oh well.

Well my suspicions tend to fall toward jeep, who directed us toward a townie yesterday and has me as his secondary. I can't help but feel that he's spent a lot of time setting this endgame up to have exactly who he wants in it left. Also, he hasn't been night-killed, which seems a little odd for someone who's been nailing scum left and right.

Hm.

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Well, yeah, but we didn't know that at the time. Just because he lied doesn't retroactively make the decision to lynch him right. Nor am I saying that this is necessarily summy in and of itself...I too found God suspicious yesterday, in fact more suspicious than most of the scum you've led us to, so I will take my share of the blame for the lynch.

It

is

pretty clear, however, that you have been a steerer of the town, rather than a steeree,

and

that if you're scum, you're in a perfect position to win. That the situation is perfect for you is enough already to make me highly suspicious of you. If any of the rest of us had been scum, we would've tried for a significantly stronger endgame for ourselves than to be left with the new paragon of mafia hunters. I, for one, would have made for damn sure that you got night-killed somehow or another, and given the experience of all the players left in this game, I suspect that this applies to them as well.

p.s. Corsato's

always

quite and under the radar, which makes him pretty tough to get a read on.

And my role is done...I have nothing left to claim.

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I'll post more later, but just so that you don't think I'm stalling to come up with a name, I am The Great Dictator.

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No, I didn't think my name would shed any light on to the situation at all. Otherwise, I would have claimed it earlier.

if you're scum, you're in a perfect position to win.

Because you, werebear, and Corsato are just sheep that follow the loudest person... hmm??? I haven't followed modargo's play enough to know if he is likely to do so, but I KNOW that the three of you are independant thinkers that aren't going to follow me because I'm steering the town.

Well, I appreciate the sentiment, but just because we're independent thinkers doesn't mean you're not in a perfect postition to win this game if you're scum. You've survived to the endgame and you've nailed several scumbags. That's going to make it very hard for me to get you lynched. And I can't speak for werebear and Corsato, but I think I might have to confess to being particularly sheep-like in this game. It's kind of hard not to when you're pulling scum out of a hat for us.

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Modargo is a fine option with me. An interesting note is that JEEP has never mentioned modargo by name in this entire thread.

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You're saying that my hinting that my role was pro-town gave you so strong an evil vibe that it overcomes a) the fact that my role sure

sounds

like a pro-town role, and b) that modargo has an unprovable posting restriction (and that even if he

does

have the restriction he could be anti-town)?

Well, I'll leave it up to Corsato.

Vote: Modargo

Not that I'll wake up dead now, but if I do, take a good long look at JEEP,

especially

if modargo's scum.

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Sigh. That was pretty bad. I can't believe that I ended up voting for the only person left in the game who was on my team. And I wasn't suspicious of Corsato or Werebear at all. That's depressing.

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Hey, thanks for the protects, Fishbulb and CB. Looks like you wasted them, though.

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The cop was not much more difficult (no one left a strong cop hint and only one player was inactive enough to have not done so).

This, I don't understand. You're saying that every player, including experienced ones, always drop strong cop hints when they're cop?

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