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[ActionDan]

VOTE: Bookitty

Homies be after the wrong dog, ain't no PO-lice gonna be so slow. Now just cuz he's cheese don't mean he ain't loyal. Hell dumb motherfuckers got to be loyal, too stupid to survive otherwise.

[ActionDan]

No see, I'm one step ahead. I climbed the ladder by avoiding the footfalls. You'll wind up facing the gravel if you keep this up

[ActionDan]

I heard you claimed JOAT as VT and got lynched. Bad plays gonna go bad real fast in the streets son

[ActionDan]

I have no idea what you're doing, Peregrine. But, whatever.

Sorry, Sala, that sucks.

VOTE: Salamence

[ActionDan]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: DGB

[ActionDan]

Word from the street is that DGB is PO-lice. My Proposition for ya is to end your disagreements and vote the PO-lice

[ActionDan]

It could be because it wasn't a reaction test, and you really did fuck up. I've seen it happen before, so it's not like it is outside the realm of possibility. And I know, I know, you are awesome at scum play and you would never do something like that, but maybe you did and now you are trying to do anything you can do to get away from it. Just saying.

This is possible tbh but it's definitely something Sala could do as town. I think his posts following the "gambit" and it's reveal have been decently town though.

[ActionDan]

as town? really? I mean it annoys me greatly to see something so pointless and irritating, but I believe this, whatever "this" is, is limited to Sala. Obviously it isn't something to be condoned but we need to grin and bear, like in the first clip "This is America" (Ofc Snot was found dead on the ground...)

[ActionDan]

You know, I want slayer's gambit renamed Sala's Gambit.

I'd be more than happy to rename it to "something Sala does". To account for accuracy in the name representing the action.

[ActionDan]

Especially when Boo flips scum

You're wrong on that.

[ActionDan]

I think he well could be scum. I however do not know what kind of PV calls out scumbuddies in the #2 #3 etc. fashion.

[ActionDan]

vote DGB...

Well then.

VOTE: DGB

independent of DGB's alignment these votes are trash

[ActionDan]

It's interesting you picked up on that. I'm more afraid of scum supersaint.

(Also agree with your post following)

[ActionDan]

it doesn't. Sorry Mastin, but Sala was a derp.

[ActionDan]

(I think Peregrine is a vig kill; at least to me)

[ActionDan]

@ mastin: xilo is scum yeah but why the fuck are you townreading pants?

Xisiqomelir is scum

why the fuck are you scumreading me Messiah?

Controversial Opinion imba:

Xisiq is town

[ActionDan]

Dr Pants?

More like Pants on head

[ActionDan]

Dr Pants?

More like Pants on head

[ActionDan]

More opinion:

Slandar is by far, leaps and bounds far, the towniest in the game right now

[ActionDan]

"Freya is not someone to be worried about, since he's composed of a newb who doesn't know what he's looking for and a derp that's just as bad."
*edit: Freja is a hydra account
bulba just said this in the scum QT....after freja chose to vig him. HA! nailed B)

This is what happened to the last person who thought that way. Pants on head? Newb who doesn't know what he's looking for? Good luck with that

now, once again, explain your reasoning for your stance on the night kill

I call them as I see them.

Why don't you do me the courtesy of explaining why NK speculation of any form is scummy next time before demanding explanations for statements that are self-explanatory. PV did not seem particularly townish in any capacity, and therefore looks more like a vig kill than a scum kill.

[ActionDan]

DGB's behavior could come from a scum DGB or a town DGB. I still believe her behavior wrt Sala is more indicative of scum. Is Bookitty V/LA or something?

[ActionDan]

that's if he's scum. And then it's arguable.

I think the main offense of 378- 379 is not giving the people who weren't actually here and thus literally sitting out any thought.

[ActionDan]

VOTE: DGB

[ActionDan]

I am simply granting DBG wish.

[ActionDan]

Pantsu, can you make a quick reads list.

[ActionDan]

9 days

[ActionDan]

I am relying on the cop, who hopefully isn't retarded, to get scum this game, personally.

[ActionDan]

You have to appreciate the irony

[ActionDan]

Dangerous to analyze d2 wagons before flips

[ActionDan]

I continue to be ambivalent about the bookitty wagon and still think eliminating the wifom that is dbg is the more prudent course

[ActionDan]

well well well. would you look at that kill flavor. Man I wonder why that could be. Well, does anyone feel like SPECULATING? No? Damn shame. Guess we'll never know

[ActionDan]

Also that was DGB's scum play, acting intentionally herp derpy.

[ActionDan]

ew I mixed up the two flavors. w/e yolo vig

[ActionDan]

Lol.

OK ok.

The Avon vt part did it.

VOTE: vezokpiraka

[ActionDan]

Xis is pretty town though. Jackel is a definite candidate

[ActionDan]

Now I have a problem.

They way slandaar calls me town is not the way a townie would call another town.
It feels like blatant buddying and makes me feel uneasy.

[ActionDan]

guys me and pants agree on a lynch target. it's got ties to DBG. kill it and don't look back.

[ActionDan]

Im not opposed to a bookitty/muffin lynch either

[ActionDan]

Slandaar got townread because he is town and he showed it.

[ActionDan]

Tree stump commuter doctor. .. hrmmmmmmm.

Prod dodge. Leaving vote on because I can. On vacation. Expect nothing but sheeping.

[ActionDan]

Test

[ActionDan]

Going to pray to the cop still. Pray pray pray.


Lurk lurk lurk.

Jackel slot will probably get my vote but we'll see

[ActionDan]

Good question

[ActionDan]

Is that ika.

[ActionDan]

That's fair. I kinda would like a town protective role to cc since we have a cop.

[ActionDan]

He does take the heat for lots of people. But that's more bodyguard flavor. I don't actually think anybody could have doc flavor in this game lol

[ActionDan]

That's tough ap.

Can I put down "I don't trust anyone except maybe slandarr and pants" and get away with it?

[ActionDan]

Also after that inconsistency that MC quoted, pretty willing to lynch vezok. Also his posts really aren't town at all since his replace in

[ActionDan]

and there's no explanation given for how mastin went from town to null other than her being alive (after he docced her) makes him feel weird

There was no missing kill.
Thus, I was not scumkilled.
Thus, vezok's concern after doccing me is valid.

You'd have a point if vezok said this after a failed kill.
But he didn't.

Point invalid.

This point is not the main one, namely the concern that you were still "alive" after doccing you said before he claimed to be a doctor. It may have suggested that he fabricated a town read on you previously and claimed you as a doc target instinctively

[ActionDan]

I'm sticking to vezok. None of his posts are town. I think it's apparent he's hanging on by his claim. However he should protect pants if he is both town and survives. I would have changed to almost anybody else that people were scum reading besides Xis who continues to be more town by the post. Serious concerns are had about ap and ika.

[ActionDan]

Prepare to eat crow is all I can say

[ActionDan]

Mmkay.

I'm here

[ActionDan]

Gj guys. You pulled through.

[ActionDan]

W.e. vig plus cop are alive.

[ActionDan]

Shurg.

I don't really know where to go from here

[ActionDan]

Well. . Yes

[ActionDan]

Mastin. The Wagons ive been on are 1) DGB. 2) Vezok. Elaborate so it doesn't sound like you are a paranoid mess. PV was vigged. I think it's pretty obvious with kill flavor.

[ActionDan]

Pd

[ActionDan]

I still think mastin is town.

Just like the following list

BBM
Slardar
Xis
pants
Venjiffy

[ActionDan]

Messiah also.

[ActionDan]

this game has doctor, cop, enabler, vig, watcher.

I am slightly hmmm. I guess that's maybe plausible.

[ActionDan]

I mean SKOT is today's lynch so w/e etc.

pedit: no you didn't. statement stands.

[ActionDan]

Vote: SKOT

##Vote: SKOT

[ActionDan]

O that was hammer.

no regrets tho.

[ActionDan]

also more comfortable lynching titus after

[ActionDan]

I'm shardene innes.

Town list remains the same

[ActionDan]

FYI pants you just provided one of best pieces of evidence to prove I'm town

[ActionDan]

Also the snitch to the police thing is a part of my flavor.

[ActionDan]

I'm not a VT.

[ActionDan]

Explain mrs broadus. Cuz... I sort of want to vote it

[ActionDan]

If so it's titus but. But to claim that would be a death sentence for various reasons

[ActionDan]

I mean I suppose that I can say that I'm a Miller now lol

[ActionDan]

I'm hoping there's a cop. My guess is one to two shots that didn't do so hot.

[ActionDan]

I've played miller plenty

[ActionDan]

Dunno if I can Link out of site

[ActionDan]

https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/inde ... 898.0.html

Pretty fun read

[ActionDan]

Shhhh that's a secret

[ActionDan]

I still believe in a cop.

[ActionDan]

Oh concerning that redirector theory. I certainly agree with martin being probably clear... but isn't there a part 2 to this story. We are assuming a role cop on pants prior to his 2nd vig. Now why bother redirecting pants to mastin if muffin was town and scum knew pants didn't like muffin at all.

I was going to probably vote titus but this has me thinking

[ActionDan]

Pants is confirmed town

[ActionDan]

Just so people know I'm voting titus over slandaar

[ActionDan]

Just a heads up. If Titusville does flip town. I think it's likely muffin.

[ActionDan]

how obvtown am i if titus flips scum

Less than you might hope for

[ActionDan]

##vote Titus

This is just the inevitable

[ActionDan]

Meh. Pants will live on in our hearts and dreams as he succumbs to a brutal murder tonight

[ActionDan]

You could still do that vca now if you're so inclined. It probably won't produce anything noticeable

[ActionDan]

Mr watcher should I even ask if you have a report

[ActionDan]

Slandar I hope you are a cop. Thatd be glorious

[ActionDan]

Lol at the above.

Any can we massclaim. Or at least, can a cop claim?

[ActionDan]

Im waiting for a cop to claim. Otherwise ill take a guess that mayhe scum had their own cop to identify the traitor.

Also waiting for slandar to use his dayvig on his target so he can win the game. Unsure what hes waiting for

[ActionDan]

VOTE: muffinman

Um ya.

[ActionDan]

Ah. I appreciate the help though. If no cop claims btw then Im pretty certain our watcher plus xisi are legit. Not that I had too much doubt. Redirecter is a strong role for scum. Mastin is town via likely vig redirect. I actually dunno who thay really leaves after anatole and slandar go. I cant think of anyone left besides muffin and mc. Oh bbm. Who I thought was the cop foreever. Eh. Eh.

[ActionDan]

Claimed roleblocked.

Atm town power is doctor odd night watcher xisis role enabler plus w.e mastin is. Pretty slim.

Pedit. Slandars been more pro town than most id reckon. Plus hes an itp.

[ActionDan]

I mean w.e. ill flip miller. Im annoyed no town cop in game.

[ActionDan]

Not really with xisi role

[ActionDan]

Also without him town power equals doctor plus mastin. (Who I get the weirdest feeling may be a cop that doesnt want to claim because she wants to lynch me)

[ActionDan]

Oh I forgot the vig. Er. Still poor town power

[ActionDan]

I think its either mastin or a scum cop or no one

[ActionDan]

Actually slandar hiw do you show up to potential cop investigations?

[ActionDan]

but that leaves me with a scum pool of like AD and... i dunno, xisiq maybe?

I'm not and he's probably not.

I don't really think MC is scum either.

That leaves a pool of you and BBm.

The only other possibility is Adrien... who rolewise isn't more likely to be scum and he also outted SKOT.

Millers are very rarely red herrings imo, there's usually some cop ability. nevertheless I accept that there is no town cop in this game (unless its mastin trying to be next-level).

As far as the details of the wording of my role, the ability says that I'll investigate as aligned with the PO-lice department to whoever checks me. Flavorwise I just want to stay out of trouble even though it's known that I snitched.

[ActionDan]

Do yoiu think I'm scum AD?

I was biased in thinking you and Pants were a cop/vig combo for the whole game.

I didn't really like you continuing to lynch/vote salamance, but other than that I have had no problems with you.

I'm not voting you atm btw.

[ActionDan]

So if you tracked me no where on N4 when there was 2 mafia alive, and if we are to believe Adrian (where did he catch your crumb btw?), and if one roleblocks and one kills, and I did neither n4. Do you get it. You have an effective clear on me. Further more we said that scum has a likely rolecop so scum ninja is out. (Well actually I suspect joat here with a shot of ninja rolecop and strongman). But also if that aint enough we know adrien was blocked n5 instead of you mastin the only other claimed non vt. So no ninja kill then.

What im getting at is being effectively cleared

[ActionDan]

So have I. Its still possible its not the case here plus if scum has another active role which is suspected i wouldnt be that either. And even if not or they didn't use it, im not the guy who killed n4, meaning theres a better chance to lynch scum if you lynched someone else.

@mod. Does scum have double action privileges (to use an active ability and perform the factional kill at the same time)?

[ActionDan]

Cant fault a man for tryin to self clear. Can easily fault me fir not determining whuch 2 of bbm you Mc are scum but that's hard

[ActionDan]

I think he legitimately thought there was a cop in the game (or at least that it was a likelihood)

But anyone who thinks about the flavour of the game for like two seconds would realise a town cop in this setup makes absolutely no sense whatsoever

I think if he were actually a miller his first thought would be "lol red herring" since he seems to be at least a bit familiar with the flavour (familiar enough to know how little sense it makes)

So yes, I think poorly thought-out gambit (with maybe a little poorly thought-out setup spec) is the most likely scenario here

K. Muffin much scum here. A stretch like this coming from him would be impossible otherwise.

1) vezok was in fact a doctor which doesnt fit flavor neatly at all
2) no one would ever come up with the conclusion that their miller role was a red herring D1.

[ActionDan]

Blah blah blah

[ActionDan]

Im not budging. Vote me if you want to

[ActionDan]

Either bb or mc imo

[ActionDan]

if AD is scum then MC is prob town (and vice versa)

I agree with this

[ActionDan]

Are you going to take that to its logical conclusion?

[ActionDan]

That being voting bbmolla tbclear

[ActionDan]

Post

Been in a lull

Muffin not going for me makes me think he's town, but that might just be my ego

I think it makes him lazy. Like saying hed go through mc isos then declares mc is town at the same time voting me.

[ActionDan]

and there was one other thing i wanted to mention here but i forgot in the midst of writing this rambling.

Just taking a stab in the dark here but I bet it's the fact that you haven't acknowledged BBm's existence. Or any further thoughts about pairing me up with Xisi which would require explaining why you don't believe Xisi's role, if you are determined to ignore that BBm is in the game and need a 2nd scum.

[ActionDan]

^ Spoiler alert: Very much taken out of context.

Muffin's case = Dan doesn't believe what he's saying. Which indirectly couples with muffin's assumption that as a miller I should realize that there isn't a cop in the setup because flavor. ...

Ofc he's right I don't have interaction with most anyone, also didn't do that much past D1 either, but it's hardly that case that these would push me into scum territory over other candidates (cough-BBM-cough). I this "MC is town" is a supplement for that much broader discussion.

[ActionDan]

Ofc muffin could be town fighting with scraps to survive the lynch today and is just praying I'll flip scum and everything will be ok, self-justifying to himself that MC looks town and therefore It's likely I'm scum, even though the scepter of BBm's and MC's (and [throwing a bone here] Xis's) silence looms over the thread. <--- Unfortunately for Muffin in the event of my town flip (which I'm sure will be oh-so-shocking and oops-I-guess-night-actions-and-role-speculation-were-strong-indicators-of-this-result) he'll have no backup plan, no direction, and no way to save himself from a lynch.

^ I might be more sympathetic to him if muffin were to unequivocally admit that the above is in fact the case

[ActionDan]

Never said that.

yet.

Because to me it's either you or desp (unless it's both). And I do think Desp is leaning town independent of all other considerations. For you, I don't think you've done too much more than lurk from memory (glass houses I know). But I do remember you knowingly continuing with the Salamance wagon despite your obvious misgivings. I also remember you commenting on the Mod making his mistake because Bookitty was scum and he replaced one scum for another, which, at the time I thought was pretty towny, no matter if the theory was right/wrong... At the same time, I feel you openly stating that is a good case to base a theory of my own about you and muffin not being scum together.

Which presents me with a problem. In that I find MC townish (though less so than Muffin and for less than Muffin gives him credit for) but I really do think you and Muffin aren't scum together. Something has to give (unless its Xisi, which I doubt very much so).

But anyway that's where I am. I would rather lynch Muffin than you atm, but logic dictates that MC is an optimal lynch.

[ActionDan]

If I'm overlooking something, it would be overlooking that MC is actually straight up scum, which is indeed possible. Circumstances suggest it's the case. (You might want to help out here and give your own read)

[ActionDan]

where/which?

The one in which pants is redirected to Mastin whom Vez saved making Mastin town. The suggestion makes perfect sense and provides more than enough evidence Mastin is town, but is not actually hard to figure out. Eventually, this point of "where did Pants vig shot go?" would have been surmised following SKOTs flip.

[ActionDan]

this is a part of it, but not what i was referring to here.

even if we accept that you thought a cop was in the setup, the way you were trying to push it against all evidence to the contrary felt really strained and forced. the suggestion of a "scum cop" to find the traitor is an example here, but pretty much every mention of cop in your ISO when it became increasingly clear there wasn't a cop in the game felt forced (e.g. 1920 and 1925 scream fake)

I dunno about you, but when you are expecting a cop to be in the game for 4 days running you don't auto shutdown that idea. I retained some hope there was. Still, it's not apparent to me when you say "against all evidence to the contrary" what you are talking about. The evidence of there not being a cop was a cop not claiming when we mass claimed. Only at that point did I relent, producing comments such as 1920 and 1925... and only 1925 has the remotest pushback on their not being a cop which your entire scumread of me is based upon: that is, apparent fakeness in which I continue to think there is a cop in the game.

The difference between me and you is that come lylo, if I flip town, your house of cards basically falls down, and you'll be left with no scumreads at all. Hell, it basically seems to have already done that when titus was lynched.

And you say "I don't really think I'll wrong here". When there is every indication you very much could be. You are, it seems, running imaginary scenarios and always end up with BBm town, and MC town. And me flipping scum with Xisi in tow. That's incredibly narrow thinking.

[ActionDan]

Honestly, I kinda sorta feel like Dan-Xisi, roles be damned.

This would be the part where Slandar would laugh at you. audibly.

I don't mind dying today if I had assurances that Muffin would be next. And after that I would say it'd be tough to decide between Molla and MC.

However I'd first like to point out, Mastin, that you have got to be kidding yourself when you say that "there's a ton that makes AD scum [or any variant thereof when comparing to either muffin or MC]" and I'd challenge you to actually give, you know, substance to idle commentary like that, because I haven't been active since D1 so there really really can't be "a ton" of scummy things I could have possibly done, but if you want to say that I am not an active player, say it instead of something that isn't true and is basically at this point making you want to apparently throw the game because you want mental morphine.

Also @BBm

I'll be honest, even with what I'm saying, I don't really think it's Muffin. I just think because I'm clueless it is. I would be more comfortable lynching AD over Muffin tbh

The last bit there isn't something that I can easily see you even thinking at this point. Muffin = Bookitty = Person you thought was scum from mod error = lynch candidate at this stage where you are self-admittantly clueless. AD = miller claim = checks out = takes back scum read = starting to think this guy is town

!=> comfort for lynching AD over Muffin. You should be as uncomfortable as possible with the very idea of that until such time as when you aren't actually "clueless," if that's possible, from the statements above and the ones in this page.

[ActionDan]

Btw since it's going around. MC biting on to the doctor point of Vezok protecting someone he thought was scum. It quite clearly was a "genuine" find. It could have come from either town/scum considering that Vezok was town.

[ActionDan]

I assume that an RB exists since Adrien disclosed it, and I'm disturbed that no one has pointed out that Pants could have been blocked instead of redirected N2.

It's possible but when a Mafia team knows there is a 2nd kill, and have a redirector, that's swag $$$ in the making. And pants was so crumbing something D2.

[ActionDan]

I don't remember you mentioning that yesterday. That thought alone also strikes me as rather paltry.

And after me? then what?

[ActionDan]

no that you didn't like my miller claim

[ActionDan]

There's a really legit reason for xisi to say that. Read his first posts on it and youll see. It is meta though. But pretty good meta pointml.

[ActionDan]

He isnt abusing it because what he says is true and on point

[ActionDan]

No it was for his first string of posts everyone thought were scummy. That meta bit only solidified it

[ActionDan]

Just quick lynch muffin after so he cant spew bullshit into the thread

[ActionDan]

Inless you want to lynch muffin now. But because adrien here is a derp and mastin is helping to throw atm with that casual vote

[ActionDan]

Im town. I really dont care about your feelings when you obviously havemt put in effort. Mmmmkay. Ots ok because thos result was anticipated by me days ago. Just for the love of god who I dont believe in. Lynch miffun. Lynxlcj him. Lyncu him lynch him. Jes scum. Been wrong forever. He never tjought twice. He dontind mislyncjes. He fights to lovw not to pymch scum. After that kill desp. Killl him. Killl) hom kill him kill him .

You bad b

[ActionDan]

Plz die tyvm

[ActionDan]

Like self vote claim scum. Give mr adrienc the benefit of the doubt that he isnt actually a derp

[ActionDan]

Been wrong forever

i loled at this

Hi your big suspicion was titus
Congrats on her flip. Howd that work foryou etc. Also im drunk. So I mean really? You wana go m8

[ActionDan]

Yes I am cute thx. Maybe one day you can fuck me in yhe butt if you atr up fir it cuz u r a funny guy

[ActionDan]

@Dan: Full scum to town list plz?

Same question for anyone reading thread right now and in before lock. Mine is like 3 posts up on my ISO

Wtf m8. Its 2/3 of desp molla abd muffins. Thayll be obvious after I flip. Choose muffin firdt. Then I lean desp as scum. Id rely on bettet minds tbh but mastin will be d3ad and itll be you left. I guess thays alright tho since you arent dumb

[ActionDan]

Look muffin. I hatbor no illwill but uf you atr town then you messed up just as much as me. Yhere is no debating that. If you want to I can but like I gave my piece and you rejected it and tbh it should have been a lot more compelling. Id even agree with some of your assessments so where did thay leave me?

[ActionDan]

I got over it like a dag after the game since I knew I wasnt even full bp. Anyway I did enough today and I did try to throw you a bone in some pkaces. It matters little now. You will be forced to wrap your mind around bbm desp team. Its a possible team. Can you accept that. I also thin km its obvious ill flip town here btw. But if you are town and don't think so tgatll be taken as a compliment

[ActionDan]

That aint true.

[ActionDan]

Pretty sure Adrien got you fair and square MC.

Hands up where we can see em

[ActionDan]

I'mma haunting this thread.

[ActionDan]

Dan. We are town. You were wrong. Quicker you wrap your head around that the better.

I feel confident.

[ActionDan]

Dan you are an idiot.

No no man.

I have complete faith that adrian didnt go astray.

Hence my total confidence in his desisive and well thought out vote.

Im expecting your scum flip and a subsequent town victory

[ActionDan]

Was I right about Adrien

Yes since I count 3 scum still alive in lylo.