Pokémon Generation II uPick — Game Over

[Oversoul]

hmmm

I didn't read anything really prior to replacing into the game so I'm gonna be AWOL while I catch up

[Oversoul]

I think Muffin is scum, burden of proficiency and game state being my only reasons.
He should be dead by now if it he as townie.

Someone should cliff notes everything for me! My role is boring. I wanted something cool. Probably should have read the game before replacing in so I didn't replace into this.

But yes, Cliffnotes would be nice.

[Oversoul]

Did Dram really do that

I want claims too MS

[Oversoul]

Holy shit Dram you are awful

[Oversoul]

You should full claim Wisdom.

[Oversoul]

Wow holy shit my role is useless

[Oversoul]

like lol

Lucian had some pretty dank night choices but this role fucking sucks so no information can really be gleamed from it

smh

[Oversoul]

What the hell is with all the water pokemon you nerds

[Oversoul]

I dunno if this has been claimed but I was in a neighborhood the first Day and Night with a couple of other people, but it was "evacuated" at the end of the night and closed.

[Oversoul]

I dunno if this has been claimed but I was in a neighborhood the first Day and Night with a couple of other people, but it was "evacuated" at the end of the night and closed.

yeah we know.

I can do the flipped ones too if you need them.

That actually would be helpful

[Oversoul]

I'm so ambivalent on Wisdom...

Self-roleblocker I think is to protect against Motivator + Swagger to prevent Wisdom becoming a pokemon god for one night.

[Oversoul]

Oh, there was also a second neighborhood between Flames, SeikoxNaomi and DFC_Etna.

How was this one created?

[Oversoul]

Self-roleblocker I think is to protect against Motivator + Swagger to prevent Wisdom becoming a pokemon god for one night.

I guess that makes sense but it's too situational to be needed, no?

Yeah, that is very situational.

Anyway, at any rate I can confirm SOMEONE did SOMETHING, Wisdom or not, to Wisdom last night.

Lucian got a positive result on Motion on Wisdom Night 4.

Good golly, my ability is so useful.

[Oversoul]

I dunno. I don't buy the Wisdom claim. This could be MyLo if the scum started with 5, but I think they started with 4.

This is troubling because I don't necessarily like SleepyKrew's play given his weird "WAIT BEFORE CLAIMING GUYS".
At any rate, I think there is scum among the Water types.

I don't like zMuffin either. Don't understand why he isn't voting right now.

[Oversoul]

Well I am planning to use Safeguard if I live, so you or someone else can target me to confirm it.

I know for certain Recover stopped the kill, because I was informed I have 0 remaining shots of Recover.

And Ancientpower is proven by the fact we still have plurality lynches.

I mean, no, I probably couldn't. Given the fact that it is a rolestopper ability?
I just don't like the Recover informing you that it has been used up, considering we have so much uncertainty in other roles. Why would your role have the least amount of uncertainty?

Your Pokemon claim is probably true, but the mods already said Pokemon and scum alignment are independent of each other.

What is the timeline on all of these claims? Did Lufan claim before or after SleepyKrew?
Now that I think about it, why did SleepyKrew come out saying "We probably have similar moves across Pokemon" when he has a move unique to his Pokemon?

[Oversoul]

1. Scenarios that I am seeing... Wisdom is scum, SleepyKrew correctly blocked the kill last night
2. Wisdom is town with BP, SleepyKrew tried to kill him last night. This also requires that Lufan be scum with SleepyKrew to have claims that correspond and "confirm" one another given the Night 1 action.
3. Wisdom and SleepyKrew are town, scum still tried to kill Wisdom last night.

Like, things would be SO much different if I was either a Tracker or a Watcher, but no, I'm a motion detector.
SMH.

[Oversoul]

Scenario 1 is the most logical. Occam's Razor and all that.
Scenario 2 is plausible, especially given the fact that we have an entire scum team still alive at this point.
Scenario 3 is just so unfortunate if it is true.

[Oversoul]

How does MS know that I am town?

[Oversoul]

SKrew should full claim.
I think we just stepped into a viper's nest Wisdom.

[Oversoul]

Wis, who are your scum reads?

[Oversoul]

I mean if both Lufan and Tere are town, and we mislynch today, we lose out right. If both Lufan and Tere are town, and we lynch correctly today, we have to no lynch tomorrow.

So for all intents and purposes, we should be treating this game as MyLo.

Muffin, I don't understand why you couldn't have been voting Wisdom? He is L-2 right now and it doesn't look like anyone is going to be quickhammering him.

I'm thinking SleepyKrew could be scum. He has done relatively little scumhunting. He is good at emulating the playstyle of his team mafia teammates Reck and UT though. I felt like I was reading one of their isos when I went through his.

[Oversoul]

I could see scum no-killing last night to get a mislynch today.

[Oversoul]

VOTE: SleepyKrew

Why do we have all of these half roleblockers if we have one real roleblocker in SleepyKrew?

How did he know that Pokemon likely had similar abilities, unless given other information? Especially considering his ability is unique.

Don't like.
I think he is covering for Lufan, too.

This makes Tere town. Not sure on who the other scum are.

[Oversoul]

Why do scum have both a half roleblocker and a full one?

Or are you saying he's lying about being a roleblocker?

Lying about being a roleblocker.

Is it even confirmed that Lufan has the abilities that he says he has? Other than the one given to him?

[Oversoul]

Pokemon sharing abilities is public information

That role speculation isn't great

Where was this confirmed?

[Oversoul]

What in the hell

Why wouldn't MS use the weak cop ability every single night

[Oversoul]

I guess MS, Lufan, SleepyKrew, ???

[Oversoul]

I guess MS, Lufan, SleepyKrew, ???

I don't know if skrew would claim blocking all his buddies though. It feels like terrible scum play.

I would at this point. Go for the gold rather than hedging all of their bets.

[Oversoul]

They are this close winning the game and have a significant majority because all 4 are alive

[Oversoul]

Like I said, we only lose if BOTH lufan and Tere are town which I think is unlikely at this point. Lynching SK would realistically prove you and net us lufan in the mean time

[Oversoul]

yes

[Oversoul]

Oh
So, Safeguard isn't an innate ability that Wisdom had?

[Oversoul]

ugh

suddenly, I'm at square one again with oversoul's new theory.

but what if oversoul is scum and just filling our thread with shit about SK?

That requires MS to be scum as well. Hmm.

That would help explain things actually.
VOTE: MS

Did Wisdom claim yesterday?

[Oversoul]

Sleepykrew isn't even voting his guilty? Yeah. That's scum.

[Oversoul]

Hi SK
Why did you have to be scum

[Oversoul]

Mac how does your role work?

[Oversoul]

Your actions are weird.

[Oversoul]

Muffin, you're scum reading MS, why not vote him? I don't believe you that your best option is to let your vote rot.

[Oversoul]

I think you are scum with SleepyKrew.

[Oversoul]

I thought I explained all of those.

Someone told me to vote you since no one was realistically going to lynch SleepyKrew. It is nice to see that he has empty words when he came back to barely address anything I said. Just makes it easier to lynch his scumbag butt.

I think you are scum because I think your claim is not true. Why would you not use your Weak Cop ability every single night? You're pretty much the only real investigative role in this entire game it seems.

Why would you not use your Weak Cop on Dramonic after Etna flipped town? Too many fishy circumstances exist because of your claim and your night actions.

I think SleepyKrew is scum because of his early "Pokemon probably have similar roles" when he is Lanturn, the ONLY Pokemon with Thunder Wave. How would he have that sort of information given his own role? Additionally, I think his night actions are suspicious given his in game posting. He has very little interaction with Lufan/MS in terms of trying to scumhunt them and yet he is using his Roleblock on them. That is odd.
SleepyKrew in general has little scumhunting going on in his iso. I do not like that at all.

I think you guys are scum together because your claims match perfectly and that is probably what you want at this stage of the game. You need consistency in order to not stick out from the pack. I think you guys both claimed actions that would help make one another's stories more consistent.

I realize that this is a little crazy/paranoid considering we have no flips to use as a basis for associative tells, but that is where I am at right now.

hmmm. Reading Muffin's posts, maybe he is town?

[Oversoul]

I am curious to what Wisdom thinks of SleepyKrew now, after all the points that I have made.

[Oversoul]

Weren't you scum in that other game.
I forget the name of it but I remember hating my life in that game.

[Oversoul]

Holy shit last summer was bad bad bad

Hopefully this summer isn't like that

[Oversoul]

I was just looking at last summer and I think I lost 75% of my games

Yeah, realistically, this isn't a town win given all the bad plays that were made prior to my replace in, but I am going to at least try and salvage a win for town.

[Oversoul]

Okay, can we get a full list of all the claims (TMs included)? I probably missed all of them and it seems they're the only useful things coming out of the last pages.

You should probably claim everything now.

[Oversoul]

Tyranitar

1st Move - Bite (You already know what it does)
2nd Move - Sandstorm with DFC and Seiko(Neighborhood with all Rock, Steel, and Ground-Type Pokémon)

And a passive TM received last night - Sweet Scent. It's a Ninja Disabler so for example if a pokemon uses a ninja kill then trackers can still track the kill.

???????????????????????????????????????????

[Oversoul]

Why is Sweet Scent even in this game

What the hell Mods

[Oversoul]

TERE IS LITERALLY GONE FOR ANOTHER WEEK WTF

Elm's Notes

Votecount errors have been fixed.

[Oversoul]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Oversoul]

Wisdom, is your BP 1-shot?

[Oversoul]

I want to just vote MS

muffin, objections?

How can anyone think this is town is beyond me

Lynch SleepyKrew tomorrow and buy yourselves another day please

[Oversoul]

VOTE: MS

A Pokémon may use a maximum of 1 individual Active Move per Night unless otherwise stated.

for the purposes of action resolution, a factional action will count as an Active Move performed by a specific member of that faction.

Answer my questions about how YOU, as Lanturn, with A UNIQUE ABILITY, knew that other pokemon had similar moves.

[Oversoul]

LOL

Is MS confirmed town now? That is literally perfect

[Oversoul]

VOTE: SleepyKrew

This dies now.

[Oversoul]

How is MS conftown?

His play of wanting to be lynched at LyLo matches his Loved Townie role perfectly.

Obviously the play that MS was going for was "save me for LyLo and watch all of the scum attempt to quick hammer and then kill all of the scum" because his lynch extends the deadline.

MS is pretty damn conftown now.

[Oversoul]

Literally if the mods gave scum a lynch proof goon they suck and we had no chance at winning this game anyway.

[Oversoul]

Seriously. You only give lynch immunity if town has a way to clean that shit up at night (vigilante).

[Oversoul]

Okay gonna ask the mod about actioning/killing

I don't really see what the problem with my aversion to early pokeclaiming is? I was gonna say that no matter what I got, and I'm not really sure how me being the only person with Thunder Wave, which I couldn't have known at the time, would've affected anything?

How did you know that people were going to have similar abilities to one another, in general?

[Oversoul]

My first assumption in a uPick is that my role is unique to me. Sure, there might be similar ACTIONS in that multiple people may be derivations of a tracker, or something, but you literally said if you claim an ability, it is likely that someone else also has that ability, which I find hard to believe given the sheer amount of moves that could be abilities in this game.

[Oversoul]

SleepyKrew, why haven't you been scumhunting at all this game?
Also, why did you never vote your guilty?

[Oversoul]

Does no one else find it weird that Wisdom was told about his BP shot being used?

[Oversoul]

Why would you just incriminate yourself?

[Oversoul]

Tere, you need to fullclaim ASAP.

[Oversoul]

I thought I explained all of those.

Someone told me to vote you since no one was realistically going to lynch SleepyKrew. It is nice to see that he has empty words when he came back to barely address anything I said. Just makes it easier to lynch his scumbag butt.

I think you are scum because I think your claim is not true. Why would you not use your Weak Cop ability every single night? You're pretty much the only real investigative role in this entire game it seems.

Why would you not use your Weak Cop on Dramonic after Etna flipped town? Too many fishy circumstances exist because of your claim and your night actions.

I think SleepyKrew is scum because of his early "Pokemon probably have similar roles" when he is Lanturn, the ONLY Pokemon with Thunder Wave. How would he have that sort of information given his own role? Additionally, I think his night actions are suspicious given his in game posting. He has very little interaction with Lufan/MS in terms of trying to scumhunt them and yet he is using his Roleblock on them. That is odd.
SleepyKrew in general has little scumhunting going on in his iso. I do not like that at all.

I think you guys are scum together because your claims match perfectly and that is probably what you want at this stage of the game. You need consistency in order to not stick out from the pack. I think you guys both claimed actions that would help make one another's stories more consistent.

I realize that this is a little crazy/paranoid considering we have no flips to use as a basis for associative tells, but that is where I am at right now.

hmmm. Reading Muffin's posts, maybe he is town?

My first assumption in a uPick is that my role is unique to me. Sure, there might be similar ACTIONS in that multiple people may be derivations of a tracker, or something, but you literally said if you claim an ability, it is likely that someone else also has that ability, which I find hard to believe given the sheer amount of moves that could be abilities in this game.

Here you go, Flames.

Mac

, what are the other TMs that you could have sent out other than Sweet Scent?

[Oversoul]

I'm not saying Lanturn is the only pokemon to learn Thunder Wave, I am saying in this game he is the only one with Thunder Wave.

[Oversoul]

Ok.
Flames can be town.

[Oversoul]

And early on he said that Pokemon probably have similar roles so he would have 0 way of knowing because it's EARLY ON.

He would if he is scum with multiple abilities (water pokemon).

[Oversoul]

Yes, because in this game there are definitely abilities in our roles. Have any you'd like to share?

I have already full claimed.

[Oversoul]

Flames, Oversoul's point is that Skrew supported that different players have the same moves, which was proven true with Bite, Psychic, etc, when he had no reason to infer that from his moves.

That is exactly my point. Unless he is scum who has a similar ability with one of his scum buddies.

[Oversoul]

sunny day - fire neighbourhood is created and becomes active as long as whoever had this move was alive. with 6 water pokemon in a hood, I figured there wouldn't be alot of fire pokemon. I don't actually think we have any claimed, do we?

Knowing that scum could potentially get the TM, why would you choose to send out the Ninja Disabler instead of this one?

[Oversoul]

so is MS town? I don't even know what to think

Yes.

What is going on in this thread I don't even...

Flames is looking a bit better. Boonskies hammer there looks dreadful. But hurrah! I am getting strong townvibes from Oversoul!

I am still feeling overwhelmed and mojo lacking but the last thing this game needs is any more replacements.

I can't see MS's play there as coming from scum.

Tere you need to claim.

whoever replaces metal sonic should ACTUALLY full claim their ACTUAL role

Metal Sonic is town. Are you going to use your vote yet?

SleepyKrew is scum.

[Oversoul]

Fair.

Ok, I think Mac, Flames, Metal Sonic town thus far.

[Oversoul]

Fine. You get one more day.

[Oversoul]

Lynch SleepyKrew with me.

[Oversoul]

When SK flips town, Wisdom is town.

[Oversoul]

Meant to say scum there

[Oversoul]

I don't think MS would lie about something like that. At any rate, his lynch ability confirms his claim.

SleepyKrew, Lufan, ???, ???

Is where I am at right now. I should read their isos.

[Oversoul]

Like I said, we only lose today if all three people of Tere, SK, and Lufan are town which I think is highly unlikely.

Muffin? I dunno. I got back and forth on him all the time. I think he is town right now.
Why is Boon scummy?

[Oversoul]

Boon's gimmick is to hammer. L-2 is functionally L-1 in this game.

[Oversoul]

His explanation for not being night killed felt genuine and I got town vibes reading his posts around claim time.

[Oversoul]

I dunno. Not too familiar with Boon. I think he does it regardless of alignment.

[Oversoul]

I asked the mods a question that seems to support Wisdom's weird BP role.

[Oversoul]

They said anyone with multiple shots of an ability will be informed how many they have.

[Oversoul]

Wisdom, why are you town reading SK?

[Oversoul]

Hmm? MS is town now

[Oversoul]

Doesn't mean alignment is confirmed.
The mod info is about his BP. Not safeguard.

[Oversoul]

Why? He could suicide on something during the night and we don't have a doctor, so the scum could kill him.
I thought his "I didn't use weak cop n1 because of no strong crumbs" was a pretty town thing to say.

Curious to see how Muffin sees the game now, though.

You should vote SK in the mean time.

[Oversoul]

Regardless, MS's play of "wait until LyLo" is pretty damn town.
Even if he was lying about being a weak cop, that LyLo stuff is completely inspired by town.

Yes, Alchemist. SK is scum. You should vote him.
ISO SK and look for scumhunting. You won't find any. If you think you do, please quote the posts so we can discuss them.

[Oversoul]

Everyone else has fullclaimed and your slot was under immense suspicion prior to replacing out. Your slot has already claimed... something... so we need to see if you confirm or deny that Metal Sonic was trolling us.

[Oversoul]

So you aren't a weak cop?

[Oversoul]

God damn it Metal Sonic.
What were your night actions?

[Oversoul]

Alchemist, ISO Skrew and tell me what you think.

[Oversoul]

Vote SK

[Oversoul]

Who is everyone's strongest town and scum reads?

[Oversoul]

That is only one aspect of my scumread on you SK.
You also have done now scumhunting whatsoever.

[Oversoul]

A) I've done a little bit
B) Why would that be scummy? Explain why I wouldn't scumhunt at all as scum and I'll tell you why I've barely scumhunted as town.

You don't have to scumhunt because you already know who the scum are.

[Oversoul]

But I still need to appear town, don't I?
Don't come at me with this weakass bullshit Oversoul.

Also, has anyone claimed Typhlosion?

How do you know that someone is Typhlosion?

[Oversoul]

Because Typhlosion was my #1 pick.

I thought the mod said that wasn't how this game was done?

[Oversoul]

SK, who are you scum reading right now?

Why were you never voting Wisdom despite blocking him and then the scum having no kill last night?

[Oversoul]

IGNORE ME
(also ignore that Oversoul ignored my non-Typhlosion stuff)

Your claim made you look townie.
Plus this town is horrible so you don't actually need to look townie when you have people like Dram and Metal Sonic walking around.

[Oversoul]

SK, who are you scum reading right now?

Why were you never voting Wisdom despite blocking him and then the scum having no kill last night?

Like answer this post and then I will...

Evolve

[Oversoul]

Blocking power? You have you and a bunch of half role blockers that can't really get their act together.

[Oversoul]

it's been like a week since N1

how the fuck can you not remember it?

N1 bite Lucian

N2 some scumbag roleblocked me

N3 bite menno


Clearly bite doesn't receive a "you have been roleblocked" message so go figure that out

nope

The last line here Muffin implies he used Bite on Night 2.

[Oversoul]

How does it imply the opposite?
Either way, you're disregarding the very town posts from MS about Morning Sun.

[Oversoul]

HMMMM

UNVOTE:

Need to recalibrate.

[Oversoul]

Muffin, why do you vote MS/Alchemist now? After his role has been proven?

[Oversoul]

I am going to evolve tonight

[Oversoul]

mayb

[Oversoul]

Blocking power? You have you and a bunch of half role blockers that can't really get their act together.

Still the potential for two blocks. Very scary.

VOTE: SleepyKrew

Yeah. I had an aneurysm but this is still the best possible vote right now. SKrew flips scum, Wisdom is automatically confirmed town.

Muffin
Mac
Not_Mafia
Boon

Vote SK for this games first scum flip (and maybe redeem yourselves)

[Oversoul]

It is where the consensus is because that is where my vote is.

I think Flames is town.

[Oversoul]

I think Oversoul's push on me is still silly

I think SleepyKrew's retorts to me are just silly.

Oh look, he still isn't voting anything!
Bonus points for the omgus by including me in your scum team suspicions

[Oversoul]

Why do I need to be voting something
I'd rather wait until I'm motivated enough to read shit

Because that is the townie thing to do?

[Oversoul]

To vote blindly, nowhere close to deadline?
Hey have you made any comment on how I interacted with MS's role and tried to direct the hammer? Seems like a pretty important thing that I did and I'd like to hear the scum motivation.

HMMMMM

Do you

really

need this explained SK or are you you

really

that disconnected from the game?

[Oversoul]

Lack of substance is not a scumtell, especially in this playerlist. What has lufan done, what has NM done, what has Flames done, what has Tere done? They're most certainly not all scum.

Do you have some other reason you think Skrew is scum?

Who was this in response to?

[Oversoul]

zMuffin should probably not vote confirmed town, but at least the VC disproves whatever paranoia he was feeling?

[Oversoul]

Do you think Alch is bussing SleepyKrew?

[Oversoul]

To vote blindly, nowhere close to deadline?
Hey have you made any comment on how I interacted with MS's role and tried to direct the hammer? Seems like a pretty important thing that I did and I'd like to hear the scum motivation.

HMMMMM

Do you

really

need this explained SK or are you you

really

that disconnected from the game?

But am I disconnected scum or disconnected town
blowin your mind aren't I

Probably scum because disconnected town should probably start connecting after 7 town flips in a row without a single scum lynch.
But nice deflection.

Vote this please.

[Oversoul]

It wouldn't to the point that you don't vote anything ever

[Oversoul]

didn't I just vote MS like, yesterday
but also 3366

You did.
For mislynch.

See how this works?

[Oversoul]

Yeah, so if no one is going to play this game I'm just going to replace out. At least mislynch to a loss or start playing the damn game because lurking right now isn't going to fix anything.

[Oversoul]

Boom, why are you ignoring this game?

[Oversoul]

i don't think lufan is scum (like, i don't think this read is changing unless i see realllllly good reason for it to change and even if sleepykrew were scum, i would not think this is a good reason)
i don't think sleepykrew is scum (by virtue of my lufan town read and sleepykrew's actions, but also, while i wasn't particularly impressed with a lot of his early play, i don't reallllly think his play looks like scum here)
and i don't think flames is scum (pretty much, same as lufan, unless i see good reason to assume he's scum, i'm just not going to)

oh, and i don't think mac is scum, but i don't see a lot of people disagreeing with that one so whatever

These reads are so vague and noncommittal, Muffin.
You can do better than this.

What about SleepyKrew's actions do you find town?
What do you expect scum play to look like at this juncture?

How does Xay/Boon represent that scum play while SleepyKrew does not?

[Oversoul]

Flames is a very likely partner if Skrew flips scum, I'd actually prefer to lynch Flames as I can see Skrew being town and just not reading the game whereas Flames' tunnel and hypocritical look more malicious, but I'll go with Skrew if that's where the concensus is

i hope you know this is an attack on oversoul not a defense on skrew (well it kinda is cause the case on skrew sucks but)

The term is called chainsaw defense. You attack the person attacking your partner to help your partner out.

didn't I just vote MS like, yesterday
but also 3366

You did.
For mislynch.

See how this works?

pretty much this whole game has been mislynch so a pretty petty argument

Yes. SleepyKrew saying that because he voted someone town AT THE MOST OPPORTUNE TIME he should not be considered scum.
That is not how like a townie works. SleepyKrew is isolating playing townie to using his vote which is obviously not what I meant when I called him out for not scumhunting. The lack of many votes from SleepyKrew *is* the manifestation of his lack of scumhunting.

That said, Xay's iso is awful and Boonskies has been actively avoiding this game so he steadily climbs up the scum ladder.

[Oversoul]

I don't see Flames as scum. I definitely don't see Flames as scum with SleepyKrew.
This wagon is horrible.

[Oversoul]

You just accused him of chainsaw defense a post ago

I didn't

accuse

him of chainsaw defense. I clarified something that he said.

[Oversoul]

He was the first one to attack me when I replaced in and began to push SK. He was also trying to figure out Bite with Metal Sonic earlier in the game. I don't see scum doing that.
It is possible that Flamescum is trying to draw me away from SKscum but I don't think so. I would probably not attempt to discredit an attack on a buddy as blatantly as Flames is doing right now.

If none of you are going to support a SK lynch, I will compromise onto a Boon lynch.

Random comment:
There could have been some really cool mechanics involving the plurality lynches (like day ending early, vote manipulation) etc. The neighborhood stuff looks cool, sucks that it was not as utilized as it could have been. In general, the design of this game is not to my liking. The last pokemon game was pretty cool too.

[Oversoul]

Why wouldn't a scum biter look for the other biters in the way flames did? He knew other biters existed, his bite was useless if he didn't find them and work with them, so?

I would use my Bite as an excuse to "target" people and potentially allow me to freely make nightkills.

[Oversoul]

I think it is fairly hypocritical to go after me for bad pushes when you've been doing nothing but the same, Muffin.

[Oversoul]

That said, I am all for the Boon lynch!
VOTE: Boon

[Oversoul]

lol that SK OMGUS

smh

[Oversoul]

Tere, you need to claim now

[Oversoul]

Sadly, wisdom's claim is real. I wanted him to have lied....

What do you mean?

[Oversoul]

You didn't block me last night?

[Oversoul]

Mac/Oversoul, did either of you target me?

Nope.

The Biters should claim who they targetted if SK is saying that he did not target me.

[Oversoul]

So THREE people targetted me last night? What the heck guys

[Oversoul]

Yes. Two biters targetted me and someone with watergun targetted me.

[Oversoul]

VOTE: lufan

[Oversoul]

I'm a bad person. But thankfully this game is over!

Wasn't Tere a lover to Lufan?

Anyway, I knew Wisdom was scum when he started following me like a four year old on the various wagons I tried to start. But I couldn't figure out his buddies other than 1 of Tere/Lufan. Guessed the wrong one. :/

The balance in this game was bad. All I will say on that front.
Good game. Use real roles next time.

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I think I was the first one to vote Lufan, and I don't think I actually read the thread after voting. But as I said, I guessed wrong. Also as I said, I am a bad person. I had ulterior motives with the way I was voting. One of them succeeded (to catch you in your opportunism) but everyone else voted the same way lol.
Either way, I don't think this town would have won even with Wisdom + Tere gone. So better to surrender at 20 than inevitably lose at 60 minutes in my opinion.

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I mean unless we guessed right on the day I replaced in (which we did but you had an ability you never should have had in the first place) we were going to lose.
Anyway, I don't want to point fingers at anyone but I think from a balance perspective and the way the town played prior to me replacing in, this game was a) not enjoyable, and b) lost by the time I got here. I just expedited the inevitable.

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Still don't know why SK never voted Wisdom. I would have happily quick hammered wisdom had that happened

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Didn't surrender? Was still actively trying to find your buddies but guessed wrong on the Lufan/Tere thing.

I thought he was going to try and get cred for your lynch or something and he just messed up the prepared posts which is why I voted him.

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Sure you could make the argument that I was reckless with my playstyle in this game (and over extended), which is true, but I never surrendered. Too many things stacked against the town by the time I showed up and mafia capitalized on that apathy/lack of motivation wonderfully. I was legitimately town reading Mac/Alchemist based on their play in comparison to the other townies.

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Funny thing is I didn't like that you replaced in because I figured you are yet another player mostly unfamiliar with me and familiar with muffin so you would most likely sheep him.

But the opposite happened

no but I am probably just going to kill you anytime your post count reaches over 500 posts and you are not confirmed town.
You're like Titus in that regard. Inherently anti-town.

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If you haven't found all of the scum by post 500, you need to stop.

It is a bell curve, Wisdom. And you're WAY off the "hump" of the bell curve.

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Pedit: over soul that's not true. Wisdom posts as often as town than as scum. My theatre about wisdom's meta was legit, check that one out.

I know. I am saying regardless of my alignment and his, at 500 posts the bell tolls for Wisdom.

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I'm planning on running a Gen III non-uPick, traditional-style large theme sometime in the near future. (I'm staying away from uPicks for a while so there's a lot more time to work on balance and design.)

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Yeah, uPicks are so hard from a modding perspective. When I did a uPick (of Pokemon actually) it was sloppy too. Hard to balance roles that you want to have versus "giving everyone a role". I liked the first game in your pokemon series! Looked good

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We all played a part in this town losing.