WiFom City: Don't Trust Titus - GAME OVER

[MaxwellPuckett]

VOTE: PeregrineV

I was looking forward to RVS, but I guess I missed it? Maybe not? Either way, what's scummy about questions?

I like Blue Blur so far!

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The way Plotinus opened used to hit my scumdar, but I've been trying to get out of that habit because it's a fact that a lot of players just post like that.

And elusive, since you're around:
I think hydras are just fine if you know which head is posting what. At the moment I keep forgetting who ZZZX is even in a hydra with so I'm just kind of.. ignoring that slot until they get confirmation. Too many headaches otherwise. So long as they pick up their posts in the hydra once that's done I don't think there's a problem!

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'Felt fake'?

Geez, he asked how our day was and what avatars were in the game that we liked.

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Alright. I disagree, but if you're going on experience I really don't have enough of that to discredit you.

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Fair enough!

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'Felt fake'?

Geez, he asked how our day was and what avatars were in the game that we liked.

His questions were sincere, yet you didn't bother to answer either one?

I said they weren't scummy, I didn't say I cared about them either way! I do what I want.

Elusive is doing that thing I don't like. Can't tell if serious.

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Bulba: Any other aspects of persivul's reads post that you liked/did not like, besides the parts concerning you?

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I don't know how useful early D1 readslists can be.

Quoth, why are those posts scummy? Persivul, why did they make you think town?

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Okay, so not a readslist, just thoughts.

So, as scum, does Bulba not make all those short posts? Do you have scum experience with Bulb?

PEDIT: Okay, I got that.

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I don't care?

So who're ya responding to here?

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Iunno. Elusive seemed mad about something but according to Invader Zim over there I guess it's normal for them.

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The Frog is town, but that's me going from what I'm getting from Plotinus' posts more than anything else.

Klingon's vote was bad and there was nothing wrong with saying so.

Uh, I don't like Muffin, I remember not liking Muffin when reading but I'd have to actually look for what bothered me. Just a sec.

As for the questions?
1. I recognize some names but they were probably from games where I died quickly, because nothing is coming to mind with them. The players I've actually played with for any length of time are Drizzx hydra (separately), Metal Sonic, and Fro99er.
2. No can do, sorry.
3. Do you really want me to link a newbie game? No, you don't.
4. Post-flip associatives. I also like poking people to say something incriminating but that's more fun than actually useful.
5. Yellow? I won't get emotional in thread, anyways.
6. Muffin, why am I finding you scummy? I'm about to try and answer that question myself but it'd be cool of you could answer.

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No, I just checked Muffin again and nothing is jumping out. I'm not sure why I came to that conclusion.

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Fro99er! From you, my thoughts aren't as strong. This isn't me picking out specific things and calling them town, this is how I'm feeling from the way Plotinus has been posting. I liked what you were saying to Bulba in 405, though.

Also, I noticed that Plotinus had asked me a question in his catchup. I don't know if he still cares, but the 'thing' that elusive was doing was just their general posting manner. I'm not gonna just call that scum, though. I'm more suspicious of the people voting elusive for that sole reason.

PEDIT: Fro99er said HE dislikes readlists. His partner was the one who posted one.

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Who else gave you shit for not putting in a full readslist? I'd thought only Plotinus asked you for one, and he may have made the same assumption as me, that what you'd posted was a readslist and not just a thoughtslist. And the guy who asked you for one actually did post one.

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I agree, forcing scum to commit to reads is good, and town withholding them is usually bad. But sometimes town's reads will change without them saying so, and then later they'll be called out on a 'contradiction' that didn't exist. Then again, no system is perfect. I still think the lists aren't a bad idea.

I'm probably not going to have any solid reads until D2, but that doesn't mean I'm not gonna try here.

PEDIT: Hey there, Oversoul.

And Persivul, I was just asking about who was giving you shit, calm down. And I actually don't agree, one person saying something to you isn't 'taking shit', but whatever, I'm not faulting you for thinking so or anything. I'm not misrepping you, I think you misunderstood the tone of 423.

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Gratuitous: My reads before the flip ain't gonna be great, but off the top off my head? Brain, Klingoncelt and Peregrine come to mind. Mayyybee Oversoul?

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No, Oversoul, we have not! I just wanted to say hi. Also, why Triforce wagon?

Plotinus: Good point.

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Persivul, that's exactly what quoth was asking you. They had an opinion about your words and they said it. They didn't put words in your mouth. Your frustration isn't really alignment indicative, it's just grating.

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Persivul, that's exactly what quoth was asking you. They had an opinion about your words and they said it. They didn't put words in your mouth. Your frustration isn't really alignment indicative, it's just grating.

I disagree:

"YOU SCUM?!?"

Followed in the next post by...

"Because flatly I don't see how those 3 posts could make anyone townread him."

is an accusation, not a mere request for clarification.

I was talking about their 436. I'm not sure why you thought I was talking about the Bulba thing.

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Also, Muffin, I agree with Gratuitous. Well, obviously, considering I haven't yet moved my vote. Are you saying overreacting is a null action? Even if that's just your opinion, you can't honestly believe that other people wouldn't think differently.

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Outside of that I'm looking at:
Peregrine, who's beginning I was not a fan of at all, and hasn't done much to rectify that.

Prolapsed: Who hasn't posted much at all in the way of content

Bulbazoor: Who's recent play makes me content not to move my previously RVS vote off of him

Look at these noncontroversial reads.

Its like ... who can I call scummy to appear to be scumhunting but without actually doing anything?

Lets see, elusive already paved the way for calling PV scummy, check.

Prolapse is a super boring lurker, check.

Bulb is already taking heat and barely fighting back, check!

Doesn't your scumlist also include Bulba? As well as Klingoncelt and Gratuitous?

PEDIT: Yes, that's true. But if you go through every action and say 'well town can do this too' (and they usually can), you're not gonna get anywhere. You have to make pushes and see how players react, as well. Anyways, you're reading PV as null, right?

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I don't recognize your username, Grib, and I'd certainly remember the Zim avatar! I'm thinking you were thinking of someone else.

TriforceP, I'm not sure I like your Bulba vote. We aren't close to deadline, there's no need for you to 'pick' between wagons. Do you think Bulba is scum or don't you?

PEDIT: I dunno, you have to appreciate the humour there, Triforce.

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I can't believe you came into my house

My house

And memed in it. not even farm fresh memes, but stale 2007 memes

FOr shame

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VOTE: Klingon

That wagon seems to have a good composition.

Mmm

Explain?

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You said getting you to vote Klingon would be a hard sell, but one vote + explanation later and now you like the wagon.

PEDIT: Muffin was faster than me.

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I agree on Oversoul town. Specifically, their reaction to questioning.

Elusive, who do you want me to interact with? Sure, I guess I've been kinda just commenting on events as they come.. are you lonely? You wanna chat?

Well, not now, obviously, it's midnight.

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Also, yeah, when was Gumball defending Klingon? Like two people have said that but I haven't seen it happen.

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Elusive gets points for using a term I had to look up, in that quote up there.

And I think that right there was a mistake made by elusive. Scum mistake? Ehhh, probably not.

PEDIT: Elusive, you make assumptions about my gender. This is a neutral statement, by the way.

I guess I could do a thoughts list, might be a good idea to organize myself. Or maybe just make it a rudimentary readslist that's probably 7/8ths wrong, but eh, material is material.

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Here. Some of these are thoughts and some of them are reads, so I guess this is a thoughtlist.

Klingoncelt: I was wrong, I have played with her before, though not for very long. Leaning town here I guess? Maybe nulltown.

Prolapsed Brain: There isn't really a reason to scumread them, but I'm gonna do it anyway because their snarky Grib vote rubs me the wrong way, for whatever reason.

The Blue Blur: Sala, why are you so sure that the frog is town? To the point of yelling about it a lot. It's D1. Also, I really hate the 'PV is better than this and should be playing better than this' line, and I've VOTING PV. Well, right now anyways.

riku: -Sonic X 4Kids theme song blaring loudly-

Drizzx: Drixx's voice in my head always reads like a calm, rational father figure. ZZx's posting is making me think town and Drixx hasn't posted a lot of game-related stuff (but was getting some weird heat for tryna to be helpful??) so I guess that leaves me with a town impression.

LittleGumball: Townish. Don't bother asking me to explain, if I had a good concrete reason I would have put it here.

mastin2: I don't know man. I just don't know. Ya feel? Town.

singersigner: I talked to persivul and I didn't really feel like we were having a conversation. That's null though, so whatever. I'm gonna put a pin in this and just try to read singersigner after they weigh in on the game.

Grib: Iunno. Grib, you're townreading Oversoul and scumrading klingon, right? I think that's what I got from 601. Scum I guess? Not really though, I'd like to talk to em.

Banana Frog: I'll put em in the town column.

Atum: Not sure why they have a problem with 'opinions flying around'. What do you expect? Complete agreement? More confused than anything else. Atum is a player I've decided I want to see put up a little list, too. He doesn't technically need to, and I have no power to make him do so, but I might as well ask.

Quoth the Pigeon: I'm getting scumvibes. I saw one of the heads (Pigeon I believe) say they wanted to vote Gratuitous. What did the other one think?

PeregrineV: Personal dislike does not a scum make. Or something UNVOTE: PeregrineV Null.

The Goat: What do you think about elusive? And Persivul/singersigner slot?

elusive: Town pile.

Muffin: Nulltown.

TriforceP: 641 Has me like 'town in the head, scum in the gut'.

Gratuitous: Town, but maybe that's just a knee-jerk reaction because Quoth doesn't like him. I don't see a reason for scumreading him, in any case.

Oversoul: I didn't like their klingon vote but their deadpan defense of their actions kind of won me over.

Bulbazoor: Why are you so sure about Blue Blur town?

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I think elusive is focusing too much on how klingon supposedly set them off. Like Quoth said, if the mod can do it, what's to stop a town player from doing it accidentally? The fact that you're thinking it was a deliberate thing on klingon's part also points to you overreacting, not to klingon being some kind of malevolent scum trickster.

Also I'm reconsidering Quoth. Maybe town, at least from this.

Thanks for answering me on Blue Blur townread, Bulba.

I think it's been Sonic posting from Blue Blur hydra, right? So I'll wait for Sala to show up and answer about their Banana Frog read. I think it was Sala who was yelling, anyways.

Hey PV, wanna weigh in on Bulba? I'd like to know if you have any thoughts there.

PEDIT: Was Plotinus talking about singer? I'm not sure what that has to do with his read on you.

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Yeah, I'm still not understanding how that thought progressed into the other one. Like, I understand that you brought up singer because you were talking about your Perse scumread, but you were not telling Plot to look at Perse/singer slot, you were telling them to townread you for bringing it up at all.

PEDIT: Bulba's tenacious 'i am town, i am town' is halfway convincing. What's up with that?
But seriously, I've seen this frustration in scum as well.

PEDITx2: elusive, I'm not a meta-diver. Sorry, I'm just not. The fact that point 11 is even there makes me exhausted. I'm gonna play on my own time, not question kc because you tell me to. And honestly, your pride or whatever over being modkilled for referring to someone as 'it', I just don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear KC, either. I really don't. There's more than one scum, maybe just take a day to not think about kc and then come back to it?

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Like, I know WHY you're on kc like this, I get it. I understand it.

Of COURSE scum can use AtE. Did I say they couldn't somewhere?

Points 4, 5, and 6 there are the only ones I can properly comment on. Build your case off those, they actually hold water.

You're talking about how kc is using AtE but you're also blaming KC for not knowing what would set you off emotionally. Hell, I don't know what would set you off emotionally. RL is null and the fact that KC brought it up in-thread should be something that you expect, right? That's what she did in the game I was with her in. From what I've seen in this thread, that's how she is, and it so it's null.

PEDIT: Plot, was a thoughtlist, not a readslist. Some of them are reads, but I don't have reads on all the players in the game.

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elusive: We're different kinds of players, that's all. And why do you keep asking me for reads? I gave a list of thoughts and some of them were reads. If there wasn't a read there, I didn't have one.

I'm identifying so much with Quoth's 738 right now. I can only make meta judgements if I've played with someone. Reading games unfortunately doesn't help me.

Atum: My bad then, I misinterpreted your words. Anyways, I appreciate the list!

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Agh I guess Bulba is probably scum, but there's me just not wanting to lynch someone who apparently gets lynched a lot D1. Guhhhh

Grib is scum too, but Muffin is good town

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I'm so glad you said jifferoo

Fro99er, @Grib, HE'S AN ALIEN. YOU CAN SEE IT. HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY EARS. HOW HAS NO ONE NOTICED? LYNCH THE ALIEN SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN.

But actually
I don't like them making a judgement on Oversoul based on their scumread of Klingoncelt. Also, the fact that they don't appear to be thinking about their reads. Like, reconsidering them as events happen. A and B are town because X and Y. End.

But the latter is actually something I can only make a proper judgement on if they post more. Which I want them to do.

PEDIT: Fair enough, Sally. About Plotfrog, I mean. it's not like I disagree with the towntell, but you were getting very into saying they were town despite their not being a wagon.
I'll just ignore the 'I'm playing to my town meta' thing because it makes me throw up a little bit in my mouth. Lots of love, though.

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MaxwellPuckett - I LOVE YOU. c: Max is probably my strongest townread.

Awww, you're making me blush. But why am I your strongest townread? Also, have I played a game with you before that I'm not remembering? I recognize your username and avatar.

I just witnessed elusive go down. I'm not happy about it, and I wish I'd had internet when it was going on. I'm not going to say more because it would be devolving into talking about mod decisions, so I won't. In any case, sorry to see elusive go.

I don't remember if I was already reconsidering my bulba townread, but I'm definitely doing so now.

Hey there, Firebringer!

It was really odd to see Gumball call out a fluff conversation in an otherwise non-fluffy post. Gumball, why did that bother you? Like.. out of all the other stuff that has been said.

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VOTE: littlegumball

Recent push on grib sucks

Just reread it. Not a push. Gumball themselves realized their argument was clutter too and dropped it. I still think it's strange that they said it at all and I'd like them to talk about it, but calling it a push is telling me that you didn't read the situation there.

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So.. Firebringer. Did I get your name wrong before? I don't remember.

What I'm getting from this is that you agree with policy lynches being a thing, but disagree with that one particular type, lynch all liars? Am I close? I don't know what you mean.

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Alright. Don't know how you meant to convey that with your earlier post, but cool.
So anyways, what are you trying to say exactly? Singer shouldn't policy lynch? You think the policy votes against elusive were bad? Scummy? Were you just stating an opinion?

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LittleGumball: Okay, so I have played with you then. I'm sorry to say I barely remember DS9 at all, the only fact that comes to mind is 'Klingoncelt and LicketyQuickety were there'.

VOTE: Bulbazoor

Not voting for this long was making me antsy, and I just feel like I'm going to regret it if Bulba doesn't get lynched. I'm really bad with players like this, if I don't do this now I'll be doubting Bulba all game. Unless someone can link a game where he comes into his own later on?

All of my reasons for thinking of townreading Bulba are based on being new/not being good at D1. But scum can post badly as well, and I should probably listen.

But if not Bulba then Gratuitous. I don't think both of them would be scum, though.

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Mmmmmm

UNVOTE: Bulbazoor

I think I was just won over? Maybe?

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Mmmmmm

UNVOTE: Bulbazoor

I think I was just won over? Maybe?

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Phone post, not caught up for today!

Gonna be V/LA for the next two days due to reasons.

Will still be checking in with my phone, though!

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Back from V/LA. Gonna check out what I've missed, haven't been able to check in with phone as much as I wanted. Special consideration to Gratuituous/People talking about Gratuituous, as he seems to be the big fish for today. Well, turtle.

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The middling Gratuitous wagon votes appear to all be 'huh? That guy? *checks ISO* Oh, yeah, he can be scum', and the last few votes are, 'lets get the dang game going'.

I can understand the sentiment of both, to an extent. Question, though... is Gratuitous scum because of inactivity? I'd have to say no, because calling lurkers scum was apparently a point against klingon, so that can't be it. Quoth's 1099? Where Gratuitous questions the placing of a vote because it happens to be the largest wagon, despite never actually reading the thread? I'm pretty sure Flubber's town, but why the heck is is strange to ask that? Is it because Plotinus asked first and Gratuitous was piggybacking his question? What is it? What?

It's not that I'm thinking Gratuitous is town. It's that I haven't really seen any reason to think he's scum, and this wagon makes me nervous.

If I had to pick between the two, I probably would vote klingoncelt, because although I'm not sure about her, there actually seems to be a case that I can see. But the beauty of the amount of players in the game means that I don't have to pick between the two of them, and it's not close to deadline either. I've also seen stagnating games, and this isn't one. Not faulting Blue Blur for going that way, but we don't need to pick between lynches right now.

This is off topic but: That feeling when you're searching 'Gratuitous' in the game and you see a line that pings your scumdar. Excited, you check the player name, only to find out that you made that post. It really takes the wind out of my scumhunting expedition. But it's also kinda hilarious.

I'm not really sure why I decided I wanted to unvote Bulba. Gut, I guess, at the time it seemed like a good idea. Saying I'd switch to Gratuitous if not Bulba was also something where I don't remember why I said it. I think at the time I was just swayed by popular opinion. At least I REMEMBER why I unvoted Bulba, but I'm honestly stumped on this.

So anyways, where I'm at right now: Flubber's probably town, Firebringer is probably not.

Though, while looking at Firebringer, I came upon Prolapsed Brain's Gratuitous vote, and I actually do think I understand where he's coming from. Maybe I just don't like how the wagon is forming in its latter stages. And then I hate Firebringer's Gratuitous vote right under it.

Oh, also, I like pisskop.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

Funnily enough, I also think Grib is scum. But while I'm against voting just because, I'm also not a fan of being on vanity wagons, unless it's a strong case I want people to switch over to.

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Maxwell thinks I am scum lol.

Anyway gratuitous is best lynch right now.

Not Klingon who is null to me leaning town.

Lynch him!!!

Can't argue with that.

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Firebringer, I hope you know that [post1453[/post] was sarcasm. Like, I just wanna make sure.

But, in all seriousness.. you're questioning my judgement because I'm scumreading you? Like... throwing alignments out the window for a second, that statement is baffling in and of itself. No, 'can you provide some reasoning for me being scum', or 'i dont see my play as scummy, where are you getting that', just... "you question me, you obviously have impaired judgement, are you perhaps doing... the drugs????"

Okay, that paragraph above is obviously me blowing things out of proportion for a quick laugh, but still.

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Ugh, I forgot to close a bracket. The post I made right before that one was sarcasm. 1453

And, on the chance that you're just downright shitting me for a laugh and are actually asking for a the definition of sarcasm, please, not right now. It's 1 am and I'm tirrreeddd

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I'm going to bed.

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I'm still sus about Quoth but I can't for the life of me articulate a good reason why. Certain things they say just set me off but if you look at those phrases subjectively, there's really no problem with them.

Im not sure why Blue Blur quoted their own readslist and then told plotfrog (or just Fro99er?) To play better. Also, they just reminded me of their Grat scumread that 'no amount of noobish play would change'. Don't really like.

I have more to say but I'll do it later when I have my laptop.

Pedit: Quoth, you're talking about their request for a roleblock/jailkeep at the beginning of the day, right?

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Atum, since some people don't seem to like you very much, but you like questions...

What do you think about Gratuitous? Town, or scum? What do you think about their wagon, specifically the reasons people have for voting on it?
How do you currently feel about Bulbazoor?

Muffin! Which lurker would you specifically shoot?

My answer to ZZZX's question would probably be Firebringer if I had to choose right this second.

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Maxwell, much love man. Much love.

I feel it.

If it helps, I like you as a person. <3

@maxwell hard to say, probably someone like Grat or The Goat's slot. I don't really have reads on them and they're not helping the game even remotely so...

Well, you're already voting Gratuitous. And Grat, though they have a low post count, has been posting reads.

I'm pretty sure pisskop replaced The Goat. You don't like the posts they've made?

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I think I'd vote for Grat. my scumread on Klingy could just be her having a terrible playstyle.

As this day goes on I'm just getting more unhappy with it being Klingon vs. Grat at all. I don't really think Grat is scum, and Klingon is just making me paranoid either way. (If I go through with the wagon, she's town, if I try to dismantle it, she's scum..) But I'm more happy with calling Klingon scum that Gratuitous, if I have to choose.

But then, we still don't really have to choose. I might take a note from mastin and make a plain ol list from town to scum, ignoring current wagons.

Anyways, you said in a later post than this one that you're going to think on it. Looking forward to your eventual choice.

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VOTE: Grib

I didn't think this would happen, but there you go.

Is it not possible that scum were already on the dueling wagons, Blue Blur? There were like.. 16 peeps on the wagons total.

I'll reevaluate (iso grib again) in the morning but I'm happy going to bed tonight with this.

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Picking up a prod. Was V/LA for three days and then unavailable for one... And was not expecting a hammer already. Geezus. But I can't say anything about it, I wasn't here..

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This is screwy. Also I need to reread some things, this game has fallen somewhere to the back of my mind.

I dislike Sally's open today as a kneejerk reaction but their conclusions make logical sense. Except.. Direct me to Bulba's judge claim? Or unintentional claim? Shit maybe it was obvious and I forgot but I don't remember anything. Been a while.

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If Farside is telling the truth about being a normal jailer, then the rolecop on Singer shouldn't have been blocked. So either Farside is lying (i don't believe she is), Constantine doesn't have the rolecop and is lying (unlikely), Constantine was roleblocked (possible), or scum received the Singer rolecop result (scum withholding it could happen if Singer was scum or town, actually). Did I miss any options?

It's funny that I wanted Grib dead, but Constantine is making me rethink the slot.

Singer being scum would explain a lot, but every so often she posts something that makes me reconsider a scumread.

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Okay check that shit out. Sally, posts like this make me not trust you. First of all, you can't say someone is CONFIRMED scum, and then go line up a lynch in the case that the CONFIRMED scum flips town. Like what? You're not using the word 'confirmed' correctly, and your logic is inconsistent.
"this slot is confirmed scum. Here's my evidence. And regardless of their alignment, they're a bad slot. WHEN the slot flips scum, yadda yadda yadda." you made certain to put in that you were SURE Grat slot would flip scum. But then you still stick in a net just in case they flip town. Or because you know they'll flip town?

PEDIT @ Prolapsed Brain: See how what is?

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Constantine, scum could be withholding singer's role PM in order to incriminate her. Also, if we do attempt to Lynch singer and she's saved, it proves jack shit. A scum judge has no reason NOT to save their scumbuddies, because who the judge is has not been revealed. They also have reason to save town, because of what you just said. Singer being saved would not prove her scum, because scum could save a townie to make them look like scum. Yes?

Sure, its not the simplest explanation, but its not impossible wifom city. Mastin's right, all this role stuff isn't helpful right now. With some more flips it will be, but not now.

I'd vote Honey Bee for dropping off the face of the earth but the judge isn't one shot and she'll just be saved again, if she's scum.

VOTE: Firebringer

Also I'm thinking Constantine is town.

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So, firebringer, I also called you scum earlier and only voted you after Oversoul did. Any reason you only focused on Singer's vote?

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I didn't get my way so I'm gonna pout. Real adult way of solving problems.

Listen, there's no point in voting honey bee. But I'll do it just to show that it'd be blocked again.

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Wait, I think I confused myself. Whose Lynch was blocked again? Ugh, I'm tired.

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No, okay, I was right the first time. Carry on.

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Bugging honey bee is fine. Killing them with singer would work too. Lynching them? The judge has no reason to suddenly let the lynch go through if they didn't already. Only chance for that Lynch to actually happen is if the judge is actually town and town reading honey bee, but their lack of activity made them reconsider this town read.

So everyone voting honey bee.. What exactly do you think will be different?

I wonder if the judge is just planning in blocking every Lynch until we give up and no Lynch out of frustration, letting them kill whoever they want.

But yeah, if proof is what it takes, I'll be happy to VOTE: Honey Bee so we can get people working towards a Lynch that'll actually go through tomorrow.

Hell, maybe it actually will go through this time?

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Huh, I guess it'll go through after all. The wording definitely didn't indicate that but whatever.

Warped, are you only townreading Firebringer because of elusive's actions?

[MaxwellPuckett]

Working through night actions in my head is more difficult than I'd thought it would be.

Frog is claiming they were attacked, and they received two drunk results, today and yesterday? And Quoth doesn't believe the first part of this claim.

Farside targeted Prolapsed, but couldn't find him, Prolapsed claimed no night action but that an action was performed on them? One action, singular, or multiple actions, Prolapsed?

PEDIT: Singer, who jailed you?

[MaxwellPuckett]

And you think the SK is gunna kill off lurkers becaaaaause?

You either think I'm blocking the SK kill, in which case you're willing to let them walk free, or you DON'T think I'm blocking the SK kill in which case you have to back down on pushing the fact that I'm scummy because I'm "blocking the vig" which seems to be your biggest issue which my choices.

vote: The Blue Blur

Preview Edit:
I'm with Hermit. I'm tired of toxic environments in mafia games, even if it is some idiotic scum tactic. Just stop.

Bahhhh

I agree with Farside about FB. I don't like it. But, Farside, are you saying that Firebringer's play has been null to you? For me, elusive was null, while FB's play gave me the scumread.

Triforce could be lying about having targeted Constantine, and the reasoning for that would of course be to get Constantine lynched. But Constantine is always like this, and it doesn't make him scum.

[MaxwellPuckett]

Frog!

I could lynch Oversoul. Only thing stopping me is that I'd rather Firebringer go down, considering their vote-post on Oversoul.

If the lurking meta is as clear-cut as ika's, there's no reason to argue, but in a game like this where even I'm lurking, I'm less inclined to pass judgement on somebody for it. This game breeds apathy and Sala vs Constantine didn't help.

PEDIT: Atum hasn't posted in a little under a month.

[MaxwellPuckett]

I figure that's not the only reason, I just don't remember what the main reasons are. I'll ISO the two of you and see what's what, though.

[MaxwellPuckett]

@Farside: I remember scumreading Firebringer when he first replaced in, not because of activity level but because of play.

[MaxwellPuckett]

Also I think the people scumreading me don't really have a case on me besides my lazy attitude towards reads and sheeping mindlessly.
Which actually is a decent case, since I don't sheep often.

I don't know man, I am kind of waste of a lynch. I mean I can claim right now, its a boring role. (you can figure it out from there)

'I don't think the people scumreading me have a case, except for the sheeping, which I admit I've been doing.' So are you saying there's reason to scumread your or not?

[MaxwellPuckett]

Also I think the people scumreading me don't really have a case on me besides my lazy attitude towards reads and sheeping mindlessly.
Which actually is a decent case, since I don't sheep often.

I don't know man, I am kind of waste of a lynch. I mean I can claim right now, its a boring role. (you can figure it out from there)

'I don't think the people scumreading me have a case, except for the sheeping, which I admit I've been doing.' So are you saying there's reason to scumread your or not?

I was thinking, yeah I AM OBVIOUSLY TOWN. When I was first writing that post. Then mid train of thought I was like "how was I obv town?" then I thought about it, then realized I am not, only by me.

So yeah, I am looking pretty scummy. Still town though.

Is it bad that I'm starting to believe FB? Farside, what do you think?

[MaxwellPuckett]

Maybe you're capable of psychic attacks that I'm not, but for me it's really hard to push someone who isn't currently here.

[MaxwellPuckett]

Why don't we start lynching more extreme lurkers so people will stop lurking? Because seriously...
The problem with OS is they're asking to be lynched. Let's give it to someone who's not today, and someone kill him tonight or lunch him tomorrow. But for now, let's focus on someone who's lurking and don't wanna die.

Bulba or Atum?

*PL chanting gets louder*

But the biggest PL goes to the player who's already said they don't care.

Vote Oversoul for President.

Actually, I'd vote that, but I don't know the count.

[MaxwellPuckett]

I argue that my bitching was necessary to keep town on the right track instead of swaying away like it almost has multiple times (See: Singer, Constantine, Quoth, Drizzx)

Sala has been annoying me consistently but I'm sympathetic to their situation. I really can't blame her for this, at any rate.

Reaction test bitches, will analyse reactions soon.
I can't believe some of you fell for one of the most simplest reaction test, random voting. I am quite sure from people's reaction I have at around 2 scum reads and 2 town reads.

You do realize that it's perfectly reasonable for town to scumread you for random voting? And also for scum to do so if they think they have an easy lynch? Badddd reaction test. Bad.

I think warped looks really suspicious with that last post. Walling is so scummy.

Not really tho. What, do you have meta on him being a wallposter only as scum or something?

My vote isn't moving off of ronit.

Oversoul: man the fuck up and scum hunt instead of doing piss all.

This is particularly aggressive from what I know of farside.

I am not sure what this indicates in terms of alignment, however.

It looks pretty reasonable to me. Everyone's pretty aggravated right now, and Oversoul and Ronit aren't helping.

VOTE: Oversoul

i didn't even realize I was still voting Blue Blur until the latest VC.

[MaxwellPuckett]

Heya Constantine! So how'd you go from:

Not feeling oversoul. We should be lynching somebody obvious right now.

VOTE: Quoth
or
VOTE: Singer
or
VOTE: TheBlueBlur

To this?

Please don't lynch oversoul!

I thought you wanted a better lynch, not that Oversoul was definitely town in your eyes.

[MaxwellPuckett]

Not feeling oversoul. We should be lynching somebody obvious right now.

VOTE: Quoth
or
VOTE: Singer
or
VOTE: TheBlueBlur

Not lynching Singer today.

Definitely not lynching Blue Blur today (i believe i've recovered from my combination annoyance/head trauma concerning that slot)

I actually understand where you're coming from with Quoth, but there are so many variables in the setup that the jailkeeping + no kill is not a death sentence by itself.

[MaxwellPuckett]

VOTE: ronit

I'm down. Townreads are all going at it and I'd be lying if I said I cared more for an Oversoul lynch than a ronit one.

[MaxwellPuckett]

What would make you feel better about me?

I really dislike this question, but I've seen it come both from scum and from town who want to prove themselves, so I can't make a judgement based off of it alone.

Mastin, can I ask why I'm a townread? My play and attention to this game have been abysmal recently. I realize that read might be left over from earlier or something. And I also realize that effort is not technically alignment indicative.

I can't read Constantine. I don't think the 'number of scum' question is a scumtell, though. Wasn't he trying to get singer lynched earlier, though? Who took him off that line of thinking?

[MaxwellPuckett]

I remember not being onboard with a Hermit Lynch because I had my doubts about Triforce.

Doubts are gonna now obviously, but now I have to wonder if scum would choose to sacrifice Constantine to take down Triforce. (As they contradict each other)

But I can't think of a role that would facilitate that, and Constantine hasn't said that he lied about rolecopping singer... So I'm going to assume he's just scum.

He's at L-1, right? I can hammer that later. Or... Shit, wait, am I already on the wagon? I can't check on my phone without discarding this post and copy/pasting is a pain.

[MaxwellPuckett]

Hasn't quoth been getting jailed by singer a whole bunch? When did he have time to arm? Was it not singer?

Of course, he and singer could have come to an agreement using their nightchat, I suppose... An agreement quoth then decided to end very violently. No proof of any of that, of course.

Once again I could be wrong about who's been jailing quoth, but I'm pretty sure its singer.

Pedit: the way you guys are talking, it must have not been singer who was jailing quoth. I guess.

And thanks Froggie, I can hammer then. But later when I can be on my laptop.

[MaxwellPuckett]

Night-wise, this is the strangest game I've ever played. I'm sure it'll make sense in post.

Pedit@TBB: Lynching Constantine made Frog conftown to you? Or something else I missed, maybe?

PEDITx2: Quoth, your defense against being arsonist was that you were jailed a bunch by singer, right? Wrong? I don't remember.
Well, she's filthy scum, so I can kind of see where TBB is coming from. Not near-confirmed, but certainly suspicious?

[MaxwellPuckett]

Quoth: I don't want to go into full-on conspiracy mode here, because I'm shit at it, but there's really no proof except the words of you and singer that you've actually been getting roleblocked this whole time.

It doesn't make you guilty, and like I said, not near-confirmed, but it does make it worth examining what actually happened to you at night.

Also, what TBB just said.

As for TBB: Good point, Plotfrog is pretty town. Never conftown, but comfortably town.

[MaxwellPuckett]

Whoops, quoth claimed roleblocker 2 pages ago and I read that and I don't know why I thought they still hadn't claimed. Maybe I should eat a meal or something before trying to think.

So quoth roleblocked prolapse last night and blue blur protected us and farside jailkept blue blur, so either blue blur was the target last night or prolapse was the killer last night. I think either situation sounds plausible; blue blur has been obvtown for a while unless they're going for the "bus ALL the buddies in multiball because why not" strategy in which case lol.

Yeah, I'm happy with wagonning prolapse too.

--P

Put a vote for Prolapsed here. if I knew the votecount. I don't, and I'm constantly forgetting it. I'll do my own count later when I'm not busy.

well, pb could be scum. i looked at twilight and scth defended pb.

but he defended maxwell. max is town

Is 'he' PB?

im still here and still town...

lmao flubber

[MaxwellPuckett]

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

Okay, that makes five votes if my count is correct. I'd thought there were more pages this day, but I was wrong.

[MaxwellPuckett]

@Sala: Eh. Would rather not attack him post-game. I'm sure he thought he was doing right. If he was just shitting around, them I'm totally up for ass-kicking.

[MaxwellPuckett]

Firebringer: I don't think it's odd that mastin is still alive. She hasn't really lead any scum lynches this game, or anything. And while you could say mastin is a strong town player, she's said repeatedly that this isn't one of her best games, so...

[MaxwellPuckett]

Are we calling for a massclaim? Sorry, I wasn't caught up.

[MaxwellPuckett]

Maxwell should claim though because everyone else did.

--P

My apologies, guys. I'm a VT.

Also VOTE: Flubber. At least if I'm understanding this right. Flubber the amnesiac didn't take a role? What

[MaxwellPuckett]

Geez, I thought this game was still in night. I should have checked whether it was locked I guess.