Three-Pronged Trouser God Mafia GAME OVER- Happy Ending?

[Jaqen Hghar]

Jaqen:

If you are scum, you are scum with Titus. I thought you had a good interaction with Titus. I thought you had a bad interaction with Titus. My overall read on you is town.
I was still bothered by your interactions with Titus, as I talked about in the post. I still don't mind people looking over your work.
Where is my play unreasonable? Should I just blindly accept my townread on you? Is that what townies do?

No, but I've never seen town either head you so badly misuse a quote and use that as a reason to cast aspersions on someone either.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Jaqen justify Xtoxm's play for me right now.

I'm not a mind reader. Eat a dick?

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i think its a push that i'd appreciate if i wasn't apathetic as all hell and just want to move on

fight it

Just picture Andy's Braveheart sword throwing gif.

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Lol

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I'm
Not big on answering the same question asked 18,376,429 different ways. The answer is still the same.

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Enough. No reads. Whinging to no end.

VOTE: xtoxm

[Jaqen Hghar]

For me, x, it's that you're sitting at L-1 for quite a while and Om several,occasions. You never took the opportunity to give any full reads lists. You never even gave a these are my top 3 and this is why. Instead you wasted the opportunity on woe is me posting and making players feel bad for voting you. It ultimately tipped the scale against you from where I stand, and if you were mislynched I just can't be sorry because you could have turned it around.mi wanted you to turn it around. I wanted and thought you were town up to the last couple of pages.

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Welp, this is pretty cut and dry

VOTE: Voided

[Jaqen Hghar]

No, I caved in on Xtoxm yesterday, and I am not making the same mistake today without a fight.

Voided really needs to go now. Lying isn't enough for me regarding imperium. Voided himself is just such an obvious scum read, and I really need to confirm my associatives to get this game rolling again.

While we're discussing things- aren't you the guy who said they were a JOAT. Yesterday that flipped. Now youre none of your "let's keep the scum guessing what I'll do next" bravado and hard pushing a quick lynch. You should be looked into.

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Well. That's a thing. Didn't even get to finish my work shift today before the hammer. Wow. If that's town that's gotta be like almost all scum on that wagon.

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So, whose claim contradicted xtotm again?

Alsp gork is hilariously town

Imp's.

Jaqen's does as well:

Jaqen you confirmed you got a result from Imperium about Voided right?

Doesn't that mean you know Xtoxm is lying about no one targeting Voided last night?

Imp claims to have targetted Voided and sent the result to Jaqen
Jaqen confirms this
Xtoxm denies this

Is what we have.

That's not quite right.

I claimed the results I received with my first post yesterday
Imp confirmed (well not exactly, they just didn't deny)
Xtoxm says Imp visited nobody

[Jaqen Hghar]

...

Are you trusting your result from the person you're voting? <<

The result comes from the mod, not the person.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Oh, so now you're saying people are receiving results and Imp decided to say those were from him.

really?

When have I ever side anything contrary to that?

[Jaqen Hghar]

Oh, so now you're saying people are receiving results and Imp decided to say those were from him.

really?

When have I ever side anything contrary to that?

. . .
What are you on and can I have some wholesales?

Amoxicillin. And yes. All you need is an upper respiratory infection and I'm plenty sure you can get some. But yeah, go ahead and quote once where I've said I thought those results were anything other than a result of Imp's claimed power.

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That's exactly what my 5233 was a response to...

Nope. That was a response to me saying the mod sent the results of Imp's role, not Imp (the player). But I wouldn't expect you to jump,out of your Lyncher tunnel now, so please feel free to keep skewing my words to how you want them to read.

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What team are you?

I submitted the innocent on WN to discredit the guilty we had on him; was going to save him as a pocket push for when we needed towncred down the road.

Constantine is my pocket second scumread; Mara's prayer ability was exactly what he's claiming (whose power was gated by our scumteam intercepting prayers while we all lived), and while Constantine is known to be useless and a troll as town, don't think this is his town game.

Thanks for MoF. Is there anyone else?

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Umm...the Warped guilty came on an odd night investigation so I don't think that should just be dismissed because Imp is scum. Their team would have just as much reason to find scum as would town. Imp- are you blue or red?

[Jaqen Hghar]

Symmetry suggests that if Fresh's team is getting extra kills each alternate night, we're either looking at unequal scumteams or Jaqen is in the other scumteam.

So, WN never made any kills of their own?

Nope. Jaqen had to agree to kills and plenty were vetoed. And this whole thing is mighty convenient since I already made it clear that I was coming for Warped today based on Imp's odd night investigation just before the thread closed.

VOTE: Warped

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Why are we voting Voided exactly? I'm not following results scum admittedly made up to mislynch someone.

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He nailed WN with his odd night investigate and it was the main basis for me agreeing to kill them. Plus both Tammy and Nacho have a history of telling the truth of their role as caught scum.

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farside jailed voided.
no kills that night.
voided isnt a townread who would get shot.

how is scum making up results here?

Imp very specifically said he made up the not guilty result on Void to create a mislynch given the thread's opinion that his even nights were insane

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No. It just makes him as much scum as warped. Whom I'm voting right now to illustrate the point.

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I mean insta lynch yesterday worked out brilliantly but they aren't usually so great.

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That and both heads of Imp do have a long history of divulging the truth of how their role works as caught scum. And yes, I read the modcom with the flip. I don't trust modcoms in this game since they are explicitly going to screw with us given how the game was advertised.

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Jaqen thoughts on massclaim bby

Go for i! I already claimed


I'm not ignoring the Voided jail I just no for sure there could be other reasons why there would be no kills given where I sit. I can concede it would be one helluva coincidence to jail who scum wanted to kill two nights in a row though.

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when you started posting a lot mid-gameish?
i think i was kind of quiet for a bit and when i was catching up i saw a lot of your interactions with people and decided that it felt genuine.

also you being leaderish here feels genuine.
so yay for that.

That and both heads of Imp do have a long history of divulging the truth of how their role works as caught scum. And yes, I read the modcom with the flip. I don't trust modcoms in this game since they are explicitly going to screw with us given how the game was advertised.

so why cant voided be on titus scumteam which is more likely anyways? like how in the fuck are you getting a townread out of that in a proven multiball scenario?

I didn't say I was town reading him. In fact, all I've said is give it a moment to sink in instead of ending the day in less than 24 hours. We're in a goo place and if we work together we should be able to win this.

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Im sorta inclined to wait til after we lynch the two outted scum before massclaiming, but ymmv.

EDIT: I would say you're a somewhat unlikely kill due to your vanillaization, but scum DID kill Misaka so...

Ya know Dramonic, if I were scum you'd already be dead. In practically every post if yours there's been a tidbit on me being scum for like the whole game. Get off it already, yeah?

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One question to Voided and Warped- are either of you claiming VT? Nobody hammer before they answer.

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Good one!

But seriously. Nobody hammer until each of them have an opportunity to answer my question. It's relevant but I don't want to say why it's relevant until they answer. If Void is it for the day I'll gladly hammer or at least throw my vote in to further the lynch. First, we need both of their claims.

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b. someone gives me a rundown of the gamestate

There were no kills on the night Voided was blocked, there were no kills on the night Jaqen was blocked, Imp who now flipped scribe sent a guilty on Warped to Jaqen.
I think that sums up the important stuff? I'd try to explain Constantine but you're better off ISOing him, it's a shitstorm.

Also OS claimed to be a chair, but I think that's it.

No he didn't. He flipped a not guilty on Voided which meant absolutely nothing. Get your lies straight.

[Jaqen Hghar]

(And no, I'm not going to claim for Jaqen's benefit especially when I have no reason to trust him).
nons
Of all the people that suspecteadisd Imperium, Jaqen's suspicions came across as the most batshit ones that didn't make any sense, and I hate his asking why we are discounting Imp's results on me in twilight.

Wrong answer. I must have been the only townie to dig and find out exactly what a Missionary is in relation to Mafia since as far as I can tell it's never been used here and it's not in this site's wiki. Imp's role as the coroner brought to light is two fold. One a Missionary and two sends messages. But, a Missionary doesn't send messages. It recruits and is only successful if the target isn't scum or doesn't have a power role. My money is on one or both of Voided and Warped being blue scum.

Let's see about Void

VOTE: Voided

Nope Gork. Not really. I focus on the relevant shit.

[Jaqen Hghar]

My reasons are mostly that his suspicions of Imp didn't make sense (even when I agreed with his conclusion, I thought his reasons were hard to follow), I didn't like his trying to use their guilty on me even after they flipped scum. I don't disagree with Dram that it is more symmetrical to have both scum decide extra kills rather than one town and one

Yep. I'm scum because my correct suspicions were over your level of comprehension.

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I think it's possible depending on their roles. I just completed a similarly balanced game with FFVII

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Ugh maybe not Jaqen idddddkkkkk

Why maybe not Jaqen? Like that agument about recruiting is the lamest thing I've heard.

https://m.reddit.com/r/TownofSalemgame/ ... issionary/

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And
https://epicmafia.com/role/8046

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Yeah. I did my homework so eat it scumbag.

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He was a Missionary

And

He sent out pamphlets

That's not the mod saying sending out pamphlets is what a Missionary does in this game

If that were the case, I think this very literate mod would have said something more like '...was a Pruddite Missionary who sent...'

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I mean, that's hiw english works son. "And" means "both of these things". But who am I arguing with? It's not like it wouldn't have been like the most brilliant distancing play ever to stage a fight between one of Imps heads and you as a means to make us think you two partnering up would be about as likely as oil partnering with water and then recruiting you or anything...

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Sorry, I meant to say allignment cop and not rolecop

Herpaderp. Miller. If you're trying to clear me you're gonna need the first choice. Alignment Cop is gonna come back as not town/mafia/etc.

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Only twice...

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Here

Is WN on the same team as Titus? Could you clarify the colors, please?

WN is Serial Killing, Titus was Repubdickans. How are those the same team?

@jaqen: list of Fresh's QT reticences please.

Please.

Are we going to ascribe to the idea that was batted around that the neighbor-vig-hood were town/town or scum/scum?

DGB, why is Dram town to you?

I thought we were siblings based on my role pm. Guess we were just regular lovers. Him flipping scum makes sense though I guess since we wouldn't investigate as town because we could win as either just is two or with town. Now I'm a miller.

Fresh wouldn't shoot Dramonic, Imperium, or Aneninen off the top of my head. I'll check to be certain once I'm off work and will also see who all he seemed ok with shooting.

Here

First of all, one thing that still freaks me out about Jaqen is that he was jailed on a night with 0 kills.

WN never had a separate SK kill; the way they got kills was by automatically redirecting factional kills + the vig kill. There's no way that we've wiped out an entire faction by lynching one/two scum total, and I don't really understand why scum would shoot Jaqen (although I suppose it is possible?), so this doesn't actually look great.

Separate from that, though, I think counterclaiming neighbors was an absolutely ridiculous occurrence, but pretty creative if he was scum. I'm not really sure what his view of his own meta is, but it would be a crafty move that would take a pretty decent bit of self-awareness and also would be a move that took lowering dignity a fair bit, so not sure it's his style.

I like Jaqen's early read on Titus and think he's almost certainly not partners with her; those two as scum together would townread each other and go for the long haul, full stop.

1451 concerns me to some extent because I've never envisioned Jaqen as the sort of player who would follow the grain that easily and I find the justification of "it's maybe multiball!" as an excuse to be voting with his scumpartners to be a nasty one; it also seems like preemptive justification for voting with his scumreads in a very non-Jaqen way, which is something I also find pretty scummy.

In other news, I also just remembered that he was neighbors with Fresh and definitely not scum there!

Vezok vote in 1875 is also pretty "follow the grain"-y but maybe I'm misremembering how Jaqen plays?

If Titus is really a GF you could have only gotten a Guilty if you're insane or you get compulsive guilties.

D:
I don't like this much; Jaqen was the only person who fell for Titus's Godfather claim which, while not completely unreasonable, is strange considering he was scumreading her as play earlier and "if she's telling the truth and town then the result on her is wrong" isn't generally a consideration you make when scumreading someone. I also don't like how it doesn't seem like Jaqen is attempting to read Titus at all based on play; this unvote is entirely on the basis of claim and there's no mention of "Titus is doing this or Titus is doing that".

I don't know what to think right now. It's like the rug has been pulled out from under where I stand. I *did* have a reads list but it's all shot to hell now, and I'm tired. I'll go back over things after some rest and when my mind is clearer and see where I am then.

And this also seems fake.
Going "I have no idea to think about a guilty!" is weird just because there are two of them.
In his favor, I do suppose it's likelier he would support the WN guilty than just do nothing as scum, but I'm still not comfortable with this interaction as a whole as I think if Gorkington's behavior around the guilty was bothering him as town he would just push Gorkington, but can see why he wouldn't want to be caught defending a scumbuddy going down.

Goddammit. Goddammit! Can you not read my whole fucking post and not just the part pertaining to you? Of course it's occured to me. And I was working on figuring that shit out. Now, since you wouldn't simply shut the fuck up, if that one is scum I'll probably never be able to deduce without doubt just because you're too fucking lazy to read. Thanks for fucking that up if there were anything to be gained from it. GODDAMMIT!!!

This freakout seemed town though.
I do think the frustration here is genuine, and I don't think he'd be this frustrated from a line of questioning being stomped through as scum unless he truly did really REALLY care about figuring fresh out as scum.

No. I lose it and get a bastard role.

Jaqen, what are you referring to re: Bastard role? I remember you talking about the option to win with Fresh while you were both alive, but I don't remember anything else.

I also liked his interactions with us recently; again, the specific paranoia felt town.

The really good point here for Jaqen being town is how he handled the Fresh situation; I don't think it would be so overblown if he was scum. It *could* be genuine since if he's scum he's obviously not on a Fresh team, but it would require to care a whole hell of a lot about scumhunting when scum which is sort of rare even in multiball; also like the angles he's been taking lately, the hesitation in driving lynches through lately; the constant effort to reanalyze looks town.

RE: 2368

You're misconstruing the shit out of that. As a stand alone it looks bad. Put into context of the situation (a direct response to Constantine who was simultaneously claiming a guilty and pushing it on Titus ~and~ believing the GF claim) it's not. Nice misuse of a quote in serving your agenda though so points for that I guess.

I think it's pretty effing bastard to change someone who would investigate as guilty due to Lovers who could win on their own or with town to Miller who would investigate as guilty because of role again a pretty lol worthy thing (and by that I mean frustrating of course) to do.

If I can't be scum with Titus, can't be scum with Fresh, can't be scum with WN and there are only 4 kill flavors in this game (the other of which was my vig) then what exactly are you saying here? I mean, overall you're calling me scum and then go on to rule out every possibility of me being scum with x, y, and z all in the same post. And the go onto say you're still sorting me in your following posts leaving a feeling you want to jump on if/when a wagon on me could take off. Eff you. Eff that.

VOTE: Imperium

And crumbed it here in case my partner died meaning my role would change

Especially because there are so many investigatives around...

...and Millers

[Jaqen Hghar]

He was a Missionary

And

He sent out pamphlets

That's not the mod saying sending out pamphlets is what a Missionary does in this game

If that were the case, I think this very literate mod would have said something more like '...was a Pruddite Missionary who sent...'

I don't think you actually believe this.

Oh. So you

were

dropped on your head as a baby...

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Why two? Wouldn't that mean that one scumteam is bigger than the other one?

With limited info flips, who knows. Sheer numbers isn't what balances a game though. One scum could be power heavy while the other scum is like godfather and goons so a 3:4 split would balance as well. If either blue or red have 4 one thing is for sure- this is virtual LyLo as they could have already figured each other out and are working toward a co-win.

Gork- get off your paranoia. I wouldn't have corrected Constantine on how he needed to investigate me last night so I could be cleared

and

left him alive.

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I came into today planning on advocating my lynch to clear the WIFOM. Now, with 4 more dead and a good possibility of 2 scum left that isn't possible. This is where I'm at

I'm leaning scum on Warped for the same reasons as yesterday. DGB replaced into a slot that had a good but of suspicion and has mostly floated along since while those suspecting her slot have all died. And then there Anen as an outlier. I'm pretty solid on both Girk and Spiff being town.

I also haven't full claimed. I'm Sid Vicious, bisexual incestuous junkie stepbrother of Fresh, vig turned Miller. I had a bit of a laugh when I got my role and realized I was a Sex Pistol vig. Clever Gods!

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Jaqen is having plenty of fire! I'm just at work and only have moments to post. I'll try to get cases up on each of my suspects when I get off. I would love to vote Warped right now and be all no regrets by that may put him functionally at L-1 and we should really talk this out. We don't need to rush and make a dumb mistake.

And Gork; re my conviction....if I don't have faith in what I'm pushing exactly how in th edfing hell could I ever hope for others to see what I see if I come off having doubt? That's not how I roll and you should know that by now.

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Taking over where your partner left off? No. I work nights. I build electronics. Some of it is classified. No phones. No browsing the internet.

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Ok, disregarding replacing into the slot of Naked Jogger whom most everyone had in their scum reads, there's this from DGB herself

My working theory was that scum used us to kill someone and town redirected us; as crazy as that is, it makes more sense than scum killing someone who I didn't know was in the game until I got a message saying that I was redirected to him.

Then I should have had YOU targeting him, AND another player that killed, right?

Then I should have had YOU targeting him, AND another player that killed, right?

No, I would have been the only player that targetted them.

Am I stupid?

YOU targeted as cop.

SOMEONE ELSE targeted him for the kill.

Is that not your theory?

WHY did I not get TWO results?

(1) Imperium targets as cop
(2) Someone targets for the kill

Ok. So aside from town reading Dramonic and scum reading a fair few town, DGB has all the evidence staring her in the face that Imp is scum, yet with the popular opinion that Imp was obvtown at the time she comes away town reading ('tentatively') them like everyone else:

I was trying to avoid confirming this was some amnesiac's result because, as a replacement player that has not read the game, I was hoping to draw the nightkill.

But on account of making the wrong assumption about the result, and for the sake of clarity, it's best noow to confirm it.

I've never seen Goofball so wrong on so many people as she has been in this game. As town anyhow. Maybe I'm just holding her to too high a standard. This isn't a meta thing. This is a flat statement. DGB.Nails.Scum.

I'm trying to think.

Erm, DrippingGoofball, what sort of result was that? Did you track Imperium or watch Slobber?

I am cretin, I just re-checked the wording, I assumed 'watch' but it could equally have been 'track'.

What's to re-check? If it was a Track she would have targetted Imperium. If it were a Watch she'd have to have targetted Slobber. And then, all of a sudden she pretty much claims Vanilla.

@VoidedMafia
My night actions are more effective when scum (voidedmafia) doesn't know what they are. Feel free to target me tonight, or lynch me today. WIFOM'ing whether I made myself a supersaint, paranoid gunowner, or both.

PE: Are you on him DPG? I have a good feeling about him being scum, so you should totally join me for victory and stuff.

You're up for a voided lynch?

But Bacde is totes scum

An earlier interaction with Void was enough to raise an eyebrow, but this is truly noteworthy. She's literally pushing town off scum onto a mislynch. It also makes me think if she's scum she's most likely the last Red who figured out Blue early on after replacing in.


.........

And, this exists...

Still don't get how Jaqen is voting for a possible slip over someone who is confirmed scum to him.

You keep pushing this dichotomy between Jaqen and Xtoxm and claiming "confirmed scum" like it is some sort of universally agreed upon thing.

It is, but people are really,

really

slow.

dramonic and Spiffeh should be unlynchable in this game.

I'm not a big fan of questions like the one she asked at the start of the day, "So then, who is scum?". In my experience, most of the time that sort of rubbish comes spewing from scum.

oh true, forgot about that.
dgbs track results are unclaimed and are probably the last scum role then.

Unlikely to be Warped though.

Huh. Thought she said she had no active role...

And that's about it, except that she DID replace into Naked Jogger's slot. Naked Jogger was a near Universal scum read. And those distancing interactions between Voided and NJ are just precious in hindsight...

Gonna grab a bite, chill with the wifey, and then get back with what's wrong with Warped and his slot. Aneninen is easy- I'm not hard sold on him being town like I am with Spiffeh and Gorkington. Hence outlier.

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Biggest thing in favor of DGB is Voided trying to policy-lynch Loran. You seem to have played a lot with DGB. Does she bus as scum?

But yeah, the push on Bacde was the worst. Bacde should never have been suspected by any half-decent player. I don't get the impression that DGB is particularly good though so I want to know where this is coming from or whether that's just because she's scum here.

Last I played with her was two years ago. She did back then when she needed to.

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And about the PL thing. Before this game I don't remember ever playing with Voided and I don't know what hes capable of as either alignment. Would he be prone to create some scum on scum drama just for the sake of distancing? To me it read like scum theatre.

[Jaqen Hghar]

The one I received was written in purple lipstick.

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wait when was this?

The one on Voided. The pamphlet on my door.

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So. Battlefield 4 got a new map pack last night and I shirked this to do that. Soooo worth it!

Anyhow the case on Warped, for me at least, boils down to this- Imp flipped Missionary, Missionary recruits, imp targetted Warped, Warped balked at my question as to whether he was claiming VT since we were in a mass claim. He still hasn't claimed and I think everyone else has. And, I'm pretty sure I know whose alt he is. I may have played scum with him in my first scum game. And he digs for relations and makes cases as either alignment. He's still my top suspect and where I'd like to vote. Where does everyone else land?

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Whys that DGB? Because I'm jazzed about the new map or because I'm not willing to put someone at a virtual L-1 opening the door to a quick lynch in case this is the equivalent to LYLO before making sure there's a consensus? It's almost as if you're trying to goad me into it for some reason.

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I mean, are you scum truly taking over where Dramonic left off or just trying to throw the game?

[Jaqen Hghar]

I know, I fight the urge to talk about non-game stuff all the time when I play scum, LOL.

I talk about whatever's on my mind.

[Jaqen Hghar]

I know, I fight the urge to talk about non-game stuff all the time when I play scum, LOL.

And you're doing a pretty good job here. I haven't seen one non-game post from you yet...

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Like. That's sooooo much dichotomy. You fight the urge as scum. The corollary being you don't fight it at all as town because fuckabunch of what someone has to say about it.

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Did you at least clear any living players?

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The biggest problem I see with Anen's work is how the bulk of it is centered around Blue which could exist and the Red which definitely exists is kinda glossed over.

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I'm sure you've done some, but I'm not aware of any. I wanted to see if anyone would pick that up and run with it in an effort to wagon you. You and I had been operating along the same lines, you were starting to look like you could be a threat to scum, and the timing was just right to see if anyone would bite before you became untouchable. I thought you might pick up on that since I neither answered you nor stuck with the line for long.

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I don't know about you but I haven't gotten any closer to narrowing down between DGB, Warped , and Anen.

I'm pretty sure I know Warped's main and if I'm right he's try hard as scum or town so the work he's putting in means nothing to me. And even as scum, he has a knack for telling the truth of things while leaving out anything that would implicate him. But, I won't divulge my thoughts because outing someone's identity, to me, is irl scummy and disrespectful. Even if it meant town loses.

Anen was just an outlier but his analysis gives me pause because it's like he's trying to direct us away from looking for the scum we know is alive and to focus rather on scum that me just be a ghost.

I really don't like how DGB supposedly town read Dramonic since she replaced in and used that earlier today to try to get town cred. And then she's continuing where he left off tunneling me- even though he was scum. And then there's all the sidelining and one liners today while the rest of us are trying to rationally work things out. It gives me this nagging feeling she's sitting this one out while town argue with each other, hoping we'll overlook her.

If you're still around, what's your perspective? Maybe you have something that can eliminate a suspect?

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*that may be just a ghost

[Jaqen Hghar]

Jaqen can you respond to this:

@Jaqen can you go into more detail in what you know about your miller role?

Like what would you come up as if someone had inspected you?

Its just a normal Miller and behaves as such. I asked how it would come up with the Cop variations here and was told they couldn't answer.

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I'm really not feeling Aneninen. If his claim is true. He may be the beat chance we have of winning here.

I see far more connections to the Repubdickans in DGB. Regardless of what Warped is saying- she's done nothing since replacing into a scummy slot. I'm taking a look at who she replaced after the Green Bay game because I haven't done that for about two months. Her stand alone ISO doesn't look good though. All I remember from that is what appeared to me to be scum theatre with Voided.

Warped continues to give himself multiple outs for a mislynch and I'm not a big fan of that crap either. I could go there as well.

[Jaqen Hghar]

OH HEY JAQEN NOT LIKE I EXPLAINED WHY DGB IS TOWN AND YOU IGNORED IT.
HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

I didn't ignore it. I just don't agree.

[Jaqen Hghar]

okay let me talk about the two greatest reasons ever for dgb being town.

Slobberknocker- was targeted by Imperium last night.

Is Imperium a scum killer or has he claimed something?

Then I should have had YOU targeting him, AND another player that killed, right?

Am I stupid?

YOU targeted as cop.

SOMEONE ELSE targeted him for the kill.

Is that not your theory?

I tend to believe Imperium but not as much as I would if this game wasn't multiball.

this progression is not one that scum makes.
scum doesnt get a guilty on another faction and then go "well, lets talk this out. maybe my results arent even really all that accurate to be honest."
it just reads as the opposite of opportunistic.

What that says is she can't be Blue scum. It doesn't say she can't be scum at all. Scum do scum hunt in multiball.

[Jaqen Hghar]

What exactly was your role before being vanillized Gork?

And Siffeh- that can be faked. Easily. Like 'oh hey new scum buddy. i'm going to act like someone else replaced you in thread to screw with town's reads' easy.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Your right. I'm soooo scummy and balking on killing the claimed Cop because I want the easy win that comes by leaving a role like that alive. Winner winner chicken dinner. /sarcasm

[Jaqen Hghar]

And meanwhile DGB still sits the sidelines laughing at us arguing.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Eh. The game was over like 13 minutes before it was over so I got an early start

NJ pushed the focus off Titus here, D1. The wording is weird

We mustn't talk about Titus I we have a guide on how to read her. Need to prioritize our efforts and time here or we're fucked instead of loved.

Then a reasonless vote on Voided that sets up their back and forth

Voided..

VOTE: Voided

More blind votes that put distance from his first blind vote, which to me adds to the whole scum theatre thing as Voided seemed vested in it while Loran didn't. Maybe they actually have a thing for each other and Loran was pigheadedly not sticking to the script.

VOTE: Professor Emotion

VOTE: pisskop

Then, after there are two guilties on Titus

Scum have fakeclaims and town gf soundsnlike a funny joke to me

And a vote

Oh VOTE: dramonic /fart

Enter DGB who does practically nothing until suspicion slides onto someone else, and who then makes 97 posts of mostly fluff with some intermingled so-and-so is town, so-and-so is town. Her most notable post, IMO, is this one where she votes Voided when it looked like he may be going down anyhow.

Eenie Meenie Mynie Mo

VOTE: Voided

The rest of her votes have all been on town and hasn't put herself out there with a vote of any kind since Voided fell. This from the inventor of the scummier which uses vote hopping to nail scum. If she's town I'd like to know where.

[Jaqen Hghar]

She does have posts where she suspects Voided before that vote on him so it makes sense to me that the Farside JK on Voided just confirmed her suspicions.

Couldn't DGB have been part of a plan set up beforehand with who she replaced?

LOL a plan for what and is it working?

Yeah you are scum.

@VoidedMafia
My night actions are more effective when scum (voidedmafia) doesn't know what they are. Feel free to target me tonight, or lynch me today. WIFOM'ing whether I made myself a supersaint, paranoid gunowner, or both.

PE: Are you on him DPG? I have a good feeling about him being scum, so you should totally join me for victory and stuff.

You're up for a voided lynch?

But Bacde is totes scum

Voidedmafia do you twirl your mustache like an opera villain when you post?

Yeah. That. Those posts she made while Voided was already under suspicion and looked very much like he would die with the Imp thing (before he was lynched and scum) and the Farside thing are completely invalid. You got something from before that happened? I'll save time some time- Nope. All her Voided suspicion comes afterwards- when it was popular.

[Jaqen Hghar]

After looking at those DGB quotes I realized they were from D3, not 4 so point taken. I don't think it clears her, but I guess I'll drop it.

I jailed Anem N2, that is why he is on my scum list but the vig claim threw me off a bit.

Wait-oh, Farside.
There's an investigation on me: Not Alien.
The SK, WhiteNarcissus is out.
The only Nightkill at Night2 was a Bible Thumping and it's clear that I couldn't perform that one.
If we put these together we get that there's a very little chance for me being a scum.
And for everyone's information, I'm town.
So is Farside, anyway.

I found this I'd forgotten about on the same page. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm definitely tired of going in circles about it and a bit frustrated the points im making are being dismissed without much thought (or at least it appears that way).

VOTE: Anen

[Jaqen Hghar]

UNVOTE:

No. Not rushing into that

[Jaqen Hghar]

His reaction to your test sounds like scum already on the wagon

[Jaqen Hghar]

I will vote for Anen.

[Jaqen Hghar]

That looks like you were looking for eager scum looking for a hammer.

[Jaqen Hghar]

If that's true it's a shame because that's the first of her posts that had a clear town vibe to it to me.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Gorkington and Spiffeh I'm pretty solid are town. I have a gut feeling saying Aneninen is as well. I was just looking for Warped's horrible claim to quote and stumbled across this

We can't lynch the wrong

town

today

that isn't me and I'm not even sure lynching me won't end the game (if there are two red scum).

Err...what?!

Yeah

VOTE: Warped

[Jaqen Hghar]

Warped, to say "scum don't slip" is very disingenuous at best. This very game I caught Imp slipping, pointed it out, and everyone was like 'nuh-uh. Imp is obvtown, derp'. Guess what? They were wrong. They slipped. Just as you did.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Warped, to say "scum don't slip" is very disingenuous at best. This very game I caught Imp slipping, pointed it out, and everyone was like 'nuh-uh. Imp is obvtown, derp'. Guess what? They were wrong. They slipped. Just as you did.

I never said they were town. I challenge you to quote it because I distinctly remember pushing them as my strongest scumread until we lynched them.

That I know because I was reading them based on play and not on night actions, roles, or any other distractions.

I also explained exactly what I meant. Why did you ignore that?

What I meant by that quote was that if we lynch someone that is town but not me or Anen, the next lynch is set in stone for scum.

Meaning if we lynch someone that is more townread than me or Anen and we wind up being wrong, it makes scum's job easier. I'm not sure what isn't clear to you here.

This has gone on long enough. Hammer Anen and end it.

Never said you did. I said that you saying scum don't slip is disingenuous and them proceeded to show you. That had nothing to do with whether you personally believed the slip or not. So let's not change what was said to suit your agenda, yeah?

[Jaqen Hghar]

Yeah, I ISO'd Anen last night after he flipped regular Cop instead of the Prudite Cop he claimed. DGB trying to quick lynch me with a guilty on her before I can check in is pretty lol. Eff that.

I'll give you all my scum games Gork, hold on.

[Jaqen Hghar]

I also have a 3rd party game with my main if you'd like that one too.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=61085

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=60762

[Jaqen Hghar]

Anen

really

wanted us to pay attention to the fact that he'd investigated DGB, saying multiple times he'd investigated her.

The only thing I can tell for myself that I crumbed some of my results, Farside, Misaka, DGB.

If needed, I'll search for them, although the last one about DGB happened only two pages ago.

Like the rest of us, he was thinking there could still be 2 scum alive yesterday, and...

I have two strong suspects but I need to check a thing or two first.

Keeping in mind he investigated DGB

and

stressed that we pay attention to his investigation, this only exists if he had a guilty on her

As for narrowing the pool, you can see my logic in 5800: the most probable scums are Warped and/or DGB.

He dies voting Warped, who must be town by POE, as everyone but me seemed to be town reading Goofball and Warped was the only other viable suspect from his POV.

This is pretty cut and dry guys. If it weren't for the guilty, I'd be with Warped and no lynch. MYLO favors scum much moreso than dies LYLO.

VOTE: DGB

[Jaqen Hghar]

How do you not follow Cop investigates DGB, Cop wants us to pay attention to those results, Cop names his investigation scum. What's hard about that Warped? This should be easy.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Can you not effing read? He very plainly said one or both of you and DGB were scum just before you guys lynched him. And, do you really think it was all town on Anen's wagon?

[Jaqen Hghar]

As a matter of fact, it was his

very

last post where he's quite clear that DGB is scum. Go to Anen's ISO dude and read it for yourself. It's right effing there. It's not hard to find. Because it's his last post. Now read it and then tell me again how he's saying DGB is town.

[Jaqen Hghar]

No, he was Macho Cop. He obviously wasn't completely forthcoming with his role. If he'd been a Prudite Cop he'd have flipped Prudite Cop like the Vanilla Cop before him. Don't be so dense.

[Jaqen Hghar]

FLACCID AND DRY (dead)

Bacde - Officer Grant - Commune Vanilla Cop

- Lynched Day 4

Anenien - Officer Hardbody - Commune Macho Cop

Lynched Day 8

Pedit- which means you're vote is functionally on me and you're goading others to hurry and hop on.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Vote Count Final

Anenien (4) - Spiffeh, Warped, DrippingGoofball, Gorkington

Warped (2) - Jaqen Hghar, Anenien

Not Voting (0)

With 6 Alive, it Takes 4 to Lynch

Anenien has been lynched....we are now in Twilight

No, DGB. He voted with me. You were on Anen

[Jaqen Hghar]

Yeah, I could add the thing pointed out by Jaqen too, which I must have missed.

As for narrowing the pool, you can see my logic in 5800: the

most probable scums

are

Warped

and/or

DGB

. (Gork could be scum, but only if the Pruddite faction is still in. My intuition says that Spiffeh is scum, but all the evidence is against my intuition. Jaqen can't be scum, I think.)

A Cop with an "innocent" doesn't call that innocent one of the MOST PROBABLE SCUM

[Jaqen Hghar]

Jaqen needs to take me down because I will not vote town.

I need to take you down because the Cop had a guilty on you.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Well, fortunately I made him paraphrase his role. He is a Macho cop who catches Pruddites:

Flavor? I try to paraphrase it.

I'm Officer Hardbody, Commune Macho Cop, with a great piece of cock, running around in unbuttoned uniform, being great in bed, blah, blah. I'm to take down all the Pruddites, doing that by Pillow Talk (that's Investigation), and I'm too sexy for being protected (Macho).

I don't believe that a townie would lie about his role.

Not even so that if he could somehow wriggle out of being lynched yesterday that maybe he wouldn't look like an appealing lynch to a Repubdickan? Yeah...a townie wouldn't lie about his role...and you've never in the history of ever seen a townie lie or be misleading about their role claim. I tend to trust mod info more than that of a player.

[Jaqen Hghar]

If we lose because you're too dense to read and process the Cop's dying words, process the Mod given info on the dead man, and totally disregard me fighting to save the dead Cop yesterday...

[Jaqen Hghar]

Wow DGB. You've almost doubled your total post count over the past couple of pages. Does that have anything to do with the fact that you're nailed, know you're nailed, and know you have to spin some shit?

[Jaqen Hghar]

Sure Gork. That's what I see in Anen's ISO though. Take it as you will.

[Jaqen Hghar]

I never played with Falcon though. Am I town reading him for the wrong reasons?

Pedit. Anen fake claims so that if he gets by and not lynched he doesn't look like an appealing kill to Repubdickans.

[Jaqen Hghar]

He did know for sure he was dead at his last post and given what he said about being busy irl probably just didn't get back to the game to clear it up. I would have expected him to flip Machi Prudite Cop though if that's what he was, like how Bacde flipped Vanilla Cop.

[Jaqen Hghar]

But he didn't withhold it. He said SGB was scum and that he investigated her.

[Jaqen Hghar]

you know what i did with a guilty when i got it?
i didnt vote someone else.
you know.
that thing that anen did.

The circumstances were different your guilty was early on in the game with plenty of room for error. His was at possible MYLO where there may have been 2 scum remaining, his guilty was being town read by everyone else, and his other suspicion was the only option.

[Jaqen Hghar]

i would sooner selfvote out of frustration than vote for dgb.

Well it's either her or Warped. There's no way I would have brought two people who were vocally against me yesterday into 4 person MYLO.

[Jaqen Hghar]

And after seeing what looked like a DGB guilty to me in Anen's ISO I let myself not be fucked with having to read Warped's painful ISO.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Probably to eliminate the other scum team prior to XYLO so he'd have an easier time winning?

[Jaqen Hghar]

Him saying a Dram kill could have only come from me yesterday was a big influence on my vote yesterday because that's complete bullshit. Scum have every reason to kill other scum in multiball.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Oh..... I get what you're saying.
UNVOTE:

[Jaqen Hghar]

Jaqen's buddying of Gork is pretty obvious here. "Warped's painful ISO" lol.

Gork - please realize that this is the type of behavior scum engage in. Scum don't get frustrated and in your words "act like a prick" because they want to win no matter how much you would love to believe that. Scum do things like what Jaqen just did. Take a little potshot at me to validate your frustration and make you feel better. Scum like to use those type of manipulation tactics to get town to do what they want.

If I were scum I'd be taking a very different tack right now. If I wanted to manipulate you, I could try. But that's not what I'm doing and all you wind up seeing is my genuine frustration at your play.

The way Jaqen ignored my posts pointing out the flaws in his suspicion of DGB but listened to you when you said the same thing also shows that his intent is to buddy you and get you on his side.

TLDR

[Jaqen Hghar]

Going out. Bbl

[Jaqen Hghar]

The nightkills aren't a bad thing to look at because once Voided died, there was only one scum in the red team which means that they have sole control over the kill. These kills tend to be more informative as the usual reasons for discounting NKA (the other teammates could have done it -or- he suspected somebody else on the team) become non-factors. I wouldn't have killed anyone besides you because you were conftown and nothing I said was swaying you off of me. Killing you if I were scum leaves me with no accountability and no way to trace who performed the kill because ANYONE could have killed conf-town Gork who got a guilty on scum. You weren't killed (by either the red team or Dram) because your push on me allowed them to hide and helped smokescreen them from suspicion. Dram legitimately caught Jaqen. At the time Voided was lynched, Dram and I were the biggest proponents of the Jaqen lynch. I was suspected by you. Dram for the most part looked good. Taking out Dram would be support me in the Jaqen push so Jaqen would have an easier time mislynching me makes a whole lot more sense than me killing Dram because I thought he was scum and secretly hid that read. If you believe I was scum that pushed Imperium, then it flows that I'd be the kind of scum to tunnel Dram into the ground via lynch if I suspected him to be on the opposing team, not nightkill him - he who was supporting me against a Jaqen lynch. The Spiffeh kill didn't benefit me at all either. While Spiffeh did have the Warped/Anen dichotomy, he was nowhere near as adamant as you that I be lynched. He would also have been an easier person to convince that he was wrong as he previously was reading me as town while reading Jaqen very strongly as scum. This is the second kill that makes sense from someone not me, in this case Jaqen. I would have killed you instead of Spiffeh. The obvious response to this is that scum use WIFOM with nightkills. There are a few reasons why this doesn't work in this game. Firstly, killing you would not lead back to me due to your conftown status. You've been the most persistent player who was against me and the one I least had a chance to sway away. Jaqen left you alive this long so he could ride to a mislynch on your coattails. With Dram I'd have had an ally and no one would be any the wiser because conftown got killed like everyone expected. In general, I find that scum are much more likely to make kills that are optimal to them rather than make sub-optimal kills just so they could write paragraphs like this one because their chances of victory are much higher simply by making those optimal kills.

Oh. So you've been trying to set me up to be lynched banking town would be happy to off the Miller if it came to XYLO. Nice.

VOTE: Warped

[Jaqen Hghar]

Like, I'm not going to do a point for point castration of that post unless I absolutely have to, but the whole thing is complete rubbish.

[Jaqen Hghar]

and what exactly happened to the "guilty" on dgb?

I unvoted a while back. What Warped and you had to say about it made me look back over Anen/DGB from the perspective you gave and I considered I may have interpreted that wrongly. You also reminded me exactly why I was scum reading Warped yesterday. I mulled that over while I was out and feeling like the last scum was either she or Warped, Warped made the most sense given the fresh perspective. There's only two people I won't vote- you or me. And this is why MYLO Favors scum.

[Jaqen Hghar]

And before you ask the obvious question- yes I do take what those I'm scum reading have to say into consideration. In this case Warped. He

has

to tell the truth about at least one non-obvtown here to get a lynch through and I know he's lying about me, or at least stretching things to his benefit.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Like his whole "herpa, if I die tonight make sure to no lynch tomorrow, derp" yesterday and his hard pushing a lynch today is soooo much cogdis that if he's town and costs is the game Id just be like well played DGB for keeping someone like that alive to serve as a distraction. It does bother me though that the instant you guys pushed me off her, SGB once again slithered off to her dark corner to watch us fight amongst each other. But apparently I'm the only person taking note of that so fuck it. Warped is hard tunneling me. You're like there's no way DGB is scum. So I'm left by myself on this one.

[Jaqen Hghar]

i dont disagree that warped is sketch.
im seriously weirded out that you went from calling dgb guiltied scum to giving her the chance to hammer just because of one post from warped when hes been posting shit like that all cycle.

Then call it frustration because I am. What I've pointed out about DGB over the past few days has fallen full on onto deaf ears. The only one to see it was Anen and oh look... He saw. Independent of me, that DGB's and Loran's ISO is full tilt Red scum but that doesn't matter it seems. So, since all my strong town reads are screaming at me that DGB can't be scum (you, Spiffeh, Constantine) I'm considering perhaps I'm wrong. So fuck
It. That leaves Warped. If that's weird, then oh well.

[Jaqen Hghar]

tell me why scumdgb throws away the warped lynch in favor of a harder sell on you.
jk dont.
im being rhetorical to try to make you stop making this push.

Umm. I'm not. I already conceded that. You wanted to know where I was coming from with it though and so I answered. But, that leaves only Warped.

[Jaqen Hghar]

const was a townread of your's?
really?
also i still really fail to see how its "full tilt red scum".
voided tried to push dgb as scum.
and forgot who she replaced. and it wasnt done in a way that was intentional.

and dgb could have hardpushed imp as scum when she had a guilty on them for towncred and didnt.
so.
yeah.
this is me saying if you want to be substantive, be fucking damn substantive and clear.
because i havent seen shit thats made me question dgb as town in a long time in this game.

That's only if you actually believe Voided forgot.

I mean, look at this

If you believe his and Loran's bias between each other is real, and x person replaces Loran whom he's raged with, there's no way he forgets person x. And in order to believe the fight, which I'm pretty sure is a consensus, then how can you hold to him saying he forgot who replaced the slot? And I disagree with you. That whole episode looked fake as shit to me.

Pedit- alright. Let me get home and on my computer instead of my phone. Quoting and putting it all together on mobile sucks ass.

[Jaqen Hghar]

i forgot about who everyone replaced when i went back to do vca.
wouldnt shock me that voided would also do the same (especially only if him and dgb werent on the same team).
and btw the slip happened when he was giving the names of people he targeted.. not exactly in a place that's particularly showy if you want to fake a slip.
and voided wasnt really in a place that i think he would be aiming to go for a fakeout slip like that.
nor do i think hes the kind of player to orchestrate something like that.
but hey.

That whole episode looked fake as shit to me.

really?
so you think loran and voided were actually best buds? because i would really easily believe someone disliking NJ/Loran that much based on my experiences with him.
and i dont think scumvoided would shit all over loran if they were scummates so much as just ignore him.
i think he used genuine feelings of anger towards loran to generate content.
that seems more plausible to me than "VOIDED AND LORAN PLANNED THE WHOLE THING OUT NYEH HEHE"

I'm driving. 15 minutes. In the mean time try considering if they were stuck on the same team together. There is history with them. Those who know that would expect a fight so that whole bit is null. Of the fight were real and Void really wanted Loran gone he wouldn't forget he was gone and "accidentally" think someone else replaced. He's have been invested in seeing Loran out and would have seen and noted Trouser saying "DGB replaces Loran immediately". That's not forgettable from that POV.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Because when you get what you REALLY want. You don't forget.

[Jaqen Hghar]

I think the real scumtell here is his immediate buckling down and voting me instead.

Thought you held to the belief scum don't slip...

i think its forgettable when the time between event A and event B is a month in a game this dense.

I won a very limited LEGO Bat-Pod two months ago. Haven't forgotten yet.

[Jaqen Hghar]

If your problem is that no one's listening to you, you'd just vote no lynch and vote DGB at 3P and give it your best shot. Why would you just vote me and offer the hammer to DGB?

Life lessons with narcissism. When you think you're dead right about something and the whole world is against you, you're probably wrong.

I replaced late in the game, 118 posts. Where is the lurking?

You replaced D3 exactly 2 months ago today.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Saint

[Jaqen Hghar]

And I didn't even have any beef with him. It's not something that should stick in my mind. I wasn't vested in Saint one way or the other, though I did think he was town. If say my nemesis was here (think he was, but I acted like I didn't), and was finally replaced I'd have damned sure made note of that and known exactly who replaced him.

[Jaqen Hghar]

What human error?

He's talking about me and the fact that I was correct.

[Jaqen Hghar]

With this kind of animosity, you would think Voided would be all over anything Loran related

@MOD Replace me out and Loranthaceae (my main) in. I'll put this account to sleep with the fishes

Fuck no.

Vote: Loran/Naked

Now I want to policy you.

Why do these seem like an overreaction? Is Naked Jogger wagoned a lot too?

Because he yells that the votes are strawmanny, and because he's being called useless, my hydra partner tells him to then stop being useless and he replies with... my hydra head should be banned from forum mafia? that seems like a little too much for being prodded into producing content and i honestly dont believe anyone would even think that anything like that should even be deserving of a ban, even if he was exagerating when he mentioned "ban" getting angry for being asked for producing content is still over the top instead of... producing said content.

~Sakura

He hasn't seemed to change in over 2 years, I see.

And with this, how can you doubt that Voided would make damned sure to know who replaced Loran?

will you stop saying that?

What a poor excuse to not vote me. If I were you second stringest scumread youd vote me.

No because I don't fucking want Loran here, period. Nevermind that he hasn't done anything worth townreading.

If Loran replaces out, all the better since we don't have to waste a lynch on him.

Pisskop, Loran's neighbor noticed it...

Vote: Pisskop

I am loathe to join any wagon with Loran on it, but I'm not getting on the Vezok one.

The most faux outrage ever

Why are you calling it "faux" when I've been against Loran ever since I know NakedJogger was his alt?

Like, I haven't been subtle about this

at all

. Do you want me to hold a big sign in my sig that says "I HATE LORAN" or something to make it more convincing for you?

And here- he CLEARLY knew who DGB replaced because he knew Loran was on Dram and was the only person on Dram.

Hey, DGB! If you think dram's town, why's your vote on 'im?

All those non-voters makes my dick go limp.

So, yeah, I think that shit's fake and him "forgetting" just as fake.

[Jaqen Hghar]

no.
im not.
im talking about how jaqen seems to think its impossible that someone could forget who someone replaced in the game.
which i think is pretty ridiculous.

Than at worst I would be holding someone to too high a standard, but I remember most of everything that happens within a game while I'm still playing. Those things that matter (like how things went with someone I hold in the same regards as Voided does Loran) I remember for years inlcuding who replaced them if they were replaced. Like with one particular player, I remember the specifics of every gnashing we've had with one another and I haven't talked to him in 3 years or been a part of any game with him for even longer.

[Jaqen Hghar]

looks more opportunistic townwagonjumping to me.
if i were scum i would be scared to get off of my scummate to join a mislynch because of how bad it would look.

Well, he was nailed by multiple deadies early on for a reason and it wasn't because he was playing such a great game...

[Jaqen Hghar]

About what?

I thought it was because I remembered Saint being lunched D3, but apparently it was because I'm holding someone to a standard to remember something that's personally imperative for at least the course of a game.

[Jaqen Hghar]

no.
im not.
im talking about how jaqen seems to think its impossible that someone could forget who someone replaced in the game.
which i think is pretty ridiculous.

Than at worst I would be holding someone to too high a standard, but I remember most of everything that happens within a game while I'm still playing. Those things that matter (like how things went with someone I hold in the same regards as Voided does Loran) I remember for years inlcuding who replaced them if they were replaced. Like with one particular player, I remember the specifics of every gnashing we've had with one another and I haven't talked to him in 3 years or been a part of any game with him for even longer.

Until this game at least. And look, we played just fine with one another and yes I knew it was him from the start because all he did was give his main backwards and with the letter he accidentally skipped over when he initially made his first account with the handle. So see man, we can play together...

[Jaqen Hghar]

yep. happy scumday!

[Jaqen Hghar]

and if you're thinking of mislynching me, wait til tomorrow so you don't have to dredge the memory of this game every time you see that littl cake in the lower right corner.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Look at Titus too. She was painting me scum from D1. Voided buddied me, probably to not be vigged.

[Jaqen Hghar]

oh.
scary fact: dgb replaced lora.

More relieving than anthing.

DGB's better than that asshole, at least.

I'm looking to see how both Titus and Voided interacted with everyone else. Wish I'd seen this sooner. I'm still doing a full look at everyone, but how can anyone believe Void honestly forgot later who replaced Loran?

[Jaqen Hghar]

Oh yeah. Cherry picking the few parts she said I might be scum. Why leave out all the parts (all of them before she jailed me) where I was town? And why leave out the part where scum had every reason to target me for sharing a thread with Fresh and holding onto every slip he may have made going into the night trying to draw the kill?

Wait your turn. You're up next. Just got through with DGB/Red Team

[Jaqen Hghar]

Naked Jogger/Loranthicae/DrippingGoofball


Titus's interactions

Why do these seem like an overreaction? Is Naked Jogger wagoned a lot too?

Because he yells that the votes are strawmanny, and because he's being called useless, my hydra partner tells him to then stop being useless and he replies with... my hydra head should be banned from forum mafia? that seems like a little too much for being prodded into producing content and i honestly dont believe anyone would even think that anything like that should even be deserving of a ban, even if he was exagerating when he mentioned "ban" getting angry for being asked for producing content is still over the top instead of... producing said content.

~Sakura

While I agree that it's not logical, people don't always play mafia logically. Hence why I'd want to know if he was previously wagoned. I've publicly said I don't want to play with ika anymore due to his shit, so I'm naturally inclined to want to give him the benefit of the doubt to say it was inartfully expressing the same thing.

If that's not his usual emotional state to being wagoned, then I'd agree, wagons ahoy. That's why I asked.

@Voided, I'm seeing similar but not exactly the same overreactions there. I'm asking you why you think this mirrors Naked's scumgame as opposed to his town game?

Voided's Interactions

I tend to believe Imperium but not as much as I would if this game wasn't multiball.

So, otherwise you wouldn't be voting them?

This is a very weird thing to say given that Imp is just about at L-1 or so from your own say-so.

2) We claimed full amnesiac cop. No one has counterclaimed this. There hasn't been an amnesiac cop result today. This is a strong indicator that we actually were redirected.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. When the hell did "even-night" become "full"? Was it during this day period because I do not remember going into N3 believing you were a full cop.

P-EDIT: Yes, the idea of DGB watching slobber is questionable as well, but as things stand the truth of her claims hinges on your role/flip right now, correct?

I'm more apt to believe you over DGB if you can show me where you claimed full cop BEFORE this dayphase.

(Oh, you died last night? Spooookyyyyy)

My earlier partner interaction had the dgb slot as a potential titus partner, but I really think she'd have handled this differently if she were scum.

What I do want to know, though, is why you think DGB isn't scum when there isn't much of a chance that DGB-town would be watching Slobberknocker in the first place (even with the caveat that DGB hasn't been in this game that long; why watch hiplop who has been a complete nonfactor)? Doesn't that make DGB an accomplice to this?

VOTE: ZZZX

can we not vote ZZZX until this shit between DGB and Imp is finished? Even if ZZZX warrants death that's not a priority right now.

I was trying to avoid confirming this was some amnesiac's result because, as a replacement player that has not read the game, I was hoping to draw the nightkill.

But on account of making the wrong assumption about the result, and for the sake of clarity, it's best now to confirm it.

So it is an amnesiac result...

...Okay, my mind's not fitting this together.

unvote

You and Bacde should be on the list, LOL

Bacde, maybe.

Me, nah.

Voidedmafia do you twirl your mustache like an opera villain when you post?

Obvious bait aside, I hate moustaches anyways. I wouldn't wear one unless I had to for a stage performance (if I for some reason had to be on-stage), but I certainly wouldn't twirl it like a villain. That'd be a nervous tic more than anything.

So, how scummy was that answer on a scale of 1 to 10?

[Jaqen Hghar]

I'm kinda fucking busy right now. Like I'm trying to present my analysis of the DGB interactions and you're trying to sidetrack me because....??!? Fuck you and wait your turn. Again.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Titus had no direct interactions with DGB's slot, but the two interactions she had with others concerning the slot are both fence sitting wanting someone to prove the slot is scum while hedging a NJ vote that never happens.

Voided's interactions once Loran is replaced by DGB are just awkward. In an unnatural way awkward. In the first quote he's talking to Imp and DGB. At first he's on DGB and calling her scum basically for voting Imp and being unsure about it and at the same time asking Imp to provide something he has to know doesn't exist for a reason to believe him over DGB. It reads to me like he knows DGB is scum so wants to distance himself from what DGB says while still being able to mislynch what he clearly thought was a Cop. The next one is more of the same- calling DGB scum and then immediately finding a reason to call her not scum (and there's a bit there to address when I get to Warped, but I'll leave that for then). After that, once Voided is caught, comes two very disingenuous posts that very much sound like scum joking with each other when they know Voided is going down.

[Jaqen Hghar]

i will be proud of how i played this game even if i lose.
despite how much of a trainwreck ive felt from start to finish.

TOTAL TOWN THINK RIGHT HERE Ladies and Gentlemen

Buddy Gorkington more. His alignment isn't in question at all.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Sidetrack you? What about my posts are stopping you from doing what you are doing? You claimed that I was cherry-picking posts where Farside called you scum. I pointed out that she never called you town. Getting "sidetracked" was your choice.

You're telling me to go ISO some other shit, while calling for my immediate lynch, instead of letting me go through team Red ISOs with their interactions on you and DGB. While their stuff around DGB's slot isn't exactly glowing for her, it isn't exactly a smoking gun. Wanna save me the trouble of doing you and come clean about what I'm going to find?

I'll get to your Farside request when I'm done because there's plento for me to quote to back up my claim she was town reading me before she jailed me in due time. You calling for my hammer while I'm working on shit is just bad. Now piss off and WAIT.YOUR.TURN.

[Jaqen Hghar]

ZZZX/Warped Interactions

Titus

Unvote

Vote: ZZZX

Too many posts for a day 1. Has to be scum.

I thought ZZZX lurked as scum?

@ZZZX, Read my guide on how to read Titus. I literally do not bullshit.

@ZZZX, When you have a question rather than just handwaiving away my posts, I'll answer it.

Voided

Serious vote. I actually don't like this post. its too stiff for this game and for the rvs. and knowing how this person would usually post it wouldn't be this stiff.

for the game? It's not (though stiffness is a good thing!)

for the rvs? So what?

as for you, I don't like your reaction.

Vote: ZZZX

I didn't read previous posts
I see a lot of people are new and we should lynch them first
Also my role PM mentions a chair

No we shouldn't, but OS needs to comment here.

pedit: Not pushing anyone means we wont ever go anywhere. Noone even talked about claiming and most claims now were mostly jokes or half-assed flavor claims. why would scum tag on any of this. You are talking that scum would tag on things you do. I'd say anyone with a little of insight would do the same. I cant do in depth about some reasons but I will leave it at that.

Oversoul, Xtoxm...maybe a bit of Farside...

I do agree with ZZZX's 49 re: Gork, so there's two scumreads.

zzzx complaining about being mislynched while still not providing content is annoying at best.

Yes, but I think there's bigger fish to fry. And Jaqen has other people to shoot before zzzx, imo.

you haven't been reading very closely, zzzx

~Wis

A few people aren't really reading closely this game.

VOTE: ZZZX

can we not vote ZZZX until this shit between DGB and Imp is finished? Even if ZZZX warrants death that's not a priority right now.

Imperium is my strongest scumread. This is mostly centered around their Bacde push which is beyond bad. They claim that Bacde is scum because no one was vanillized. What if scum was vanillized and decided not to out? The remainder of their push amounted to “you are not buying our bullshit, therefore you are scum.” Bacde’s shock at not being believed and insistence that Imperium was scum was a strong town tell and Imperium plowing forward while ignoring it points to someone who just wanted to get rid of Bacde, not figure out his alignment which a townie would do. On the flip side, if Imperium is scum, their aggression makes a lot of sense. Bacde started out by making lots of enemies and rubbing people the wrong way by being abrasive. He also pushed Imperium pretty hard. This makes him a great target for scum to push back because Imperium would feel they can outshout Bacde and get rid of someone scumreading them without nightkilling him and lending credibility to his reads.

While I understand the mindset that bacde's reaction was town (although I won't ever see being yelled at for think you're scum as anything townworthy and just makes your posts unreadable; italic-emphasis is tech), Imp's point about how bacde was essentially simplifying how that guilty interaction works is true. In some ways it does boil down to whether or not you believe Imp's role in the first place (either that it's what they say it is or that it's what they have, period), but "Imp-cop investigates someone else but is redirected to slobber who is killed" is still as viable as "Imp-scum kills someone but is redirected to slobber". As such, I don't see Imp trying say bacde is scum for not believing their "bullshit".

I will give credit that bacde's strong reaction should have been a good indicator given that he flipped the role his slot claimed, but that in part was the problem. No one on the wagon from what I could tell believed that there would actually be a Vanilla Cop in a Role Madness game and with a Vanillizer. I certainly didn't.

It doesn't make sense to me for those two roles to exist in the same game. I mean, the VC could prove the vanillaizer's existence if it was somehow masked, or that those vanillized were indeed vanilli

--okay, there's one reason why it could existed, to prevent scum from claiming they were vanillized to mask the use of their abilities. Even so, I still feel my point here stands.

Them claiming they were redirected does nothing for me. They could have wanted to kill a more threatening player than Slobber and got redirected by town/other scum team to Slobberknocker so asked if there were any redirectors messing with their kill. Acting like it makes them town is just the icing on the cake. They are overemphasizing the fact that someone watched Slobber as though it is conclusive evidence that clears them. It is not unlikely for a watcher to make bad night action choices. But the watcher-guilty is only about 20% of the reason I scumread them. Their reaction to that guilty, their push on Bacde, and their overall play are a much bigger part of it.

Question: Bacde did essentially the same thing, aka point to the fact that there was no unnatural kill when he was jailed that thus made him town, and IMO he went to some lengths to emphasize this fact like you claim Imp did for the watcher "clear". And Bacde flipped town. The guilty aside, what makes Imp's reaction any different from Bacde's?

Their insistence that they were town and were trying to figure things out magically vanished once they were no longer under threat of a lynch for instance, by putting Xtoxm at L-1 despite him not being a scumread. They’ve defended themselves vigorously, shoved a Bacde lynch through, succeeded, and turned back to lurking again. They read like experienced scum players who can post passable content when needed but fall into the common trap of having no passion for figuring out the game unless their survival is threatened at which point, they deliver more rhetoric under it subsides.

Do you believe they're doing so through D5 as well? I'm not going to claim they're doing godlike scumhunting, but I feel that your assertion that they've fallen back down in activity now that they've gotten away from the hot seat is premature given that you've stated you haven't caught up to all of D5, and I'd like you to re-address this point when you do get fully caught up.

How do you explain why no one was vanilla-ized now that he's flipped town? That's right: role shenanigans. Apparently the same thing that resulted in a watcher-guilty on you. But you were unwilling to consider this possibility for Bacde even after the apparent fake-guilty on you. Why?

Because Jailkept?

Like, role shenanigans don't even matter in that case because Bacde couldn't act in the first place. And there isn't an argument regarding actions on Bacde because his supposes vanillize action (or vanilla investigation, as it turns out) came from himself. And Bacde neither claimed nor flipped any sort of strongman-esque modifier for his cop. So I'm not really getting the point here at al.

Also, why are you sure that it's role shenanigans on that, anyways?

@ Voided:

That's not what I said. I think that if Imperium were town who just got a fake-guilty on them due to weird role interactions, they wouldn't be so quick to jump on the vanillizer argument as if it was totally cut and dry without considering that maybe something interfered with his role or that there were night actions that we haven't fully figured out at that point.

I see a lot of defense of Imperium and questioning of the push on them but no questioning of Imperium themselves. Do you feel strongly that they are town?

Well, there

could

have been double-RB on Bacde or there

could

have been something else that happened to his role. But that still doesn't matter because, again, Bacde got jailkept the night after two consecutive vanillizes happened. He could've had his role mangled beyond extremes by roles, or had nothing done at all, but it's still a moot point since nothing would've happened in the first place.

And yes, I do.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Sidetrack you? What about my posts are stopping you from doing what you are doing? You claimed that I was cherry-picking posts where Farside called you scum. I pointed out that she never called you town. Getting "sidetracked" was your choice.

Umm...

Jaqen are you town???

Farside's post should be the clincher Gork.

Is you calling for my immediate lynch. How's that not a distraction?

[Jaqen Hghar]

Jaqen are you town???

Yes. Look at what I've done. It should be obvious. Not whether you agree with my words or not, WHAT IVE DONE.

[Jaqen Hghar]

As far as what I read looking at Red's interactions with Warped's slot

Titus was no content. Like there's nothing to be gleaned as far as I can tell reading those three now. Voided however is a different story.

First, Voided RVS's ZZZX while saying Gork is scummy and then goes on to vote Gorkington just two posts later. Then, Voided deflects for ZZZX while he lurks it out. Could be white night could be covering for a scum bud.

Enter Warp. He and Voided use lots of words talking about who was Vanillized, who is scum for saying people were or weren't Vanillized, vanilla ice cream and everything else vanilla. These discussions look like they were supposed to be doing something, but actually reading them now (I didn't read them at the time because boring) they accomplished absolutely nothing but taking up a lot of space when suspicion came toward either of them (mostly Void). I dont think it was a coincidence Warp was talking so much about a Vanillizer with

the

Vanillizer. Later, once Voided was busted, here comes buddy Warped to help push that wagon.

I'm happy with my vote. I think it's about 70/30 Warped is scum over DGB.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Oh yeah. Cherry picking the few parts she said I might be scum. Why leave out all the parts (all of them before she jailed me) where I was town? And why leave out the part where scum had every reason to target me for sharing a thread with Fresh and holding onto every slip he may have made going into the night trying to draw the kill?

Wait your turn. You're up next. Just got through with DGB/Red Team

Farside never called you town. I checked. Quote the posts where she did this.

im annoyed that i feel like jaqen is townier for having pushed this.

This.
In addition to my previous townread on him which I don't remember why but I recall me saying 'good good good post', this reads to me like Jaqen is DEFINITELY making some kind of a notelist, and using them for scumhunting/figuring the game out. even if this has been wrong in a very lollish newbieish way, that slut is town.


ehm, slot, yes. not slut....



/master

How much Sonic influence is in this? If a man is become this predictable to Sonic a man must needs be careful if he is ever playing with that one as scum. Never the less, yes a man is sitting back and watching interactions while noting this and that.

Right now a man's crotch is tingly for Titus as she is being too helpful and not quite abrasive enough for town Titus. That one is usually by now at L-1 and screaming from the rafters of how those voting her are making the world dumber. But, a man is also recently seeing her mislynched with the same attitude and is knowing she is working on her game. That one a man enjoys much and more playing with, so is giving a little space to see if and how her game is truly changing. A man is fighting his natural instinct here right now to lynch ahoy and is thinking a short leash will have that one revealing her true colors eventually.

Aneninen is also causing a man's pants feel a bit tighter. That one is trying far to hard in making sure he is interacting with everyone and much and more of it is cheerleading. That one is also seeming to possibly have knowledge I don't have in his early Multiball mention. Claims like that in a man's experience (if/when they are panning out to be true) are often worth lynching. A man isn't playing with this one previously though so if all this is normal, a man is wanting to know. Still, early setup spec on scum which later is panning out to be true is worthy of lynching.

When a man is watching Profgesser Emotion however, his junk is throbbing so hard it may just burst! Yes, one may think it's because two hot ladies are sharing that slot and a man is simply lusting for a kinky manage a trois, but they are wrong in so thinking! They are exhibiting the same scum-spec with Aneninen, and then there's Mara. From what a man is remembering of that one, that one must needs be right at all cost. The first time a man is playing with her (in his only newbie and as his main) that one is so wrapped up in being right that she is all but

plainly

correcting a man that she is scum and as a result is succumbing as a D1 scum lynch. All because she must needs be right. She is doing this as either alignment, but in later games where she is town she is also less certain of the correctee's wrongness and is giving supporting reasons for that correction. Thus far here, she isn't supporting her "wrongs" as they are pertaining to this game (she is supporting why a man is wrong in thinking multiple neighborhoods aren't existing in a game, but that's info pulled from elsewhere and is having nothing to do with interactions here so isn't the kind of supporting evidence of which a man is speaking)

you're wrong to assume that emotion will be an big indicator of my play/alignment, and that each post will contain emotion. You're unlikely to get anything from me unless I get to the point where I'm stressed, and at that point I'm incoherent and can't think properly.

I'm not pushing anyone, but there isn't anyone worth pushing yet, and stating that I refuse to claim is a comment on the mass claim, clearly.

you're also wrong to assume that I will get anywhere early game, and you're completely overlooking that I am not a fan of rvs and constantly looks for a mean to get out which generally means doing something other people don't really expect, and doing things that I think scum could tag on.

For those claiming there is no town benefit for a town self-watcher...I WILL strangle you.

To date, three players are set up specing Multiball- Profgesser, Aneninen, and Fart Boy. In that order, a man is wanting a popcorn question answered.. What is creating the belief in multiple scum teams?

This post made me wet with pleasure.

I will say reading titus I feel very certain about the following being town:

Gork
Oversoul
Mof
TIP
Imp

Less sure but leaning town
Jaquen
Fresh
WN

Anyone not on my list has not really made an impression on me.

This was the only time she really gave reads that I found. She was taken aback when Dramonic said I had scum claimed (" " was her reaction) and she jailed me that night which made it impossible for her to consider me town afterward. Which I can understand. But she didn't know Dramonic was scum with Fresh at the time nor did she consider I was holding info that implicated the other Blue scum so SH could consider the source.

[Jaqen Hghar]

*she

[Jaqen Hghar]

As town, I never give up, I never surrender, and I do everything it takes to bring my team to a win.

I suppose you'd have us believe you just roll over as scum? Doesn't look like it. All that unnecessary cursing really drives your point home though and makes you sound extremely rebuffed that your scum game is put on blast. It doesn't at all give an air of ignorance. Really good posting, that.

And, call me scumfuck one more time. You don't know me, we don't joke around with each other, that's uncalled for. < that has nothing to do with this game and I'm dead serious.

________________________________________________________

Gork's town. I'm town. Though I still see ways DGB could be scum, I see at least just as many reasons she could be town so I'm riding with that. Do you guys want to wait his 12 hours or would you like me to post my interactions with Titus and Void? I'm sure you've already checked them so if I left out something important you'd be quick to call my hand to it anyhow. I don't mind even though I was about to turn in.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Going to bed. Coming up tomorrow:

A breakdown of Jaqen's interactions with Titus and Voided and why they make him scum.

Fasten your seatbelts Gork and DGB because we deserve this win and this scumfuck isn't going to get it.

@scumfuck - you think you got an easy mislynch because Gork was tunneling me all day long. Well guess what? I'm not an easy mislynch even remotely. If there's one thing I have more than any other player I've met, it's conviction. As town, I never give up, I never surrender, and I do everything it takes to bring my team to a win. You, like Imperium chose the wrong fucking person to go after and you are in for a goddamn nightmare because I'm not a player that'll fold easily. Over the next few days, I'll comb through every nook and cranny of the game to provide evidence of your guilt. I'll clean you inside out, chop you up, and serve you to the three pronged trouser gods so that you stew in hell for the crime of drawing scum against me. Just wait scumfuck because hell is coming loose tomorrow.

In this post is that secret endgame winning towntell I look for!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll wait for your analysis though.

Dang! You saw that too! Crap!

[Jaqen Hghar]

Jaqen your analysis is so profoundly...

Howso?

[Jaqen Hghar]

My eyelids are getting too heavy to keep hanging around. I'm genuinely interested in knowing how my thoughts are flawed DGB. From the outside looking in, that's how they read to me. Please give me your thought process and where you were and what you were really saying in those posts of yours I quoted. Give me an insider's perspective. It may help. I'll read when I get up.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Sorry, but I gotta break this down into several posts. My browser quotes everything in code so it turns it all into a huge clusterfuck of words and symbols. If I don't, then my replies will probably come out in one huge clusterfuck as well.

Okay, so first: I'll go over his interactions with Titus. He questions Gork's Titus-townread:

step one: if she diplomatically tries to reach out to people in a really awkward way shes probably scum.
step two: if she avoids people talking about her, probably also scum.
step three: if she says things that actually literally dont make any kind of sense then shes probably scum.

ive seen slight variations on all three of these things and now that ive pointed them out you can expect all kinds of interesting defusing strategies from her.

im interested enough to see where tipwagon goes that im willing to make a case and hardpush this in a little bit when titus has more content on the table i can push her for. especially when she decides to stop ignoring me.

When is she town? Because you've just described every game I've ever played with Titus and this sounds a lot more like a policy to me.

That's actually me questioning Gork's scum read.

step one: if she diplomatically tries to reach out to people in a really awkward way shes probably scum.
step two: if she avoids people talking about her, probably also scum.
step three: if she says things that actually literally dont make any kind of sense then shes probably scum.

These steps describe Titus's game regardless of her alignment. I've played with her in over half of all the games I've played here. At the time this happened I was also playing in FFVII with Titus and she'd just been yet again mislynched on D1- an all too often occurring phenomenon with her and its because of things like this. People seem to have this set of rules on which to judge whether she is scum or not and hold to them because of that 1:5 chance where she actually draws scum is what they remember. This set of rules quite literally describes how she plays the game; it doesn't describe her scum game per se. So even if this helps me be mislynched- I had every right reason to question this because it sews a player into a box from which there is no escape and is what results in all those very forgettable mislynches which most often happen to her.

[Jaqen Hghar]

His two other interactions with Titus are pretty null. Same with his interaction with Gork where he asks Gork for links to neighborhoods.

His next mention of Titus is here:

Right now a man's crotch is tingly for Titus as she is being too helpful and not quite abrasive enough for town Titus. That one is usually by now at L-1 and screaming from the rafters of how those voting her are making the world dumber. But, a man is also recently seeing her mislynched with the same attitude and is knowing she is working on her game. That one a man enjoys much and more playing with, so is giving a little space to see if and how her game is truly changing. A man is fighting his natural instinct here right now to lynch ahoy and is thinking a short leash will have that one revealing her true colors eventually.

He says he is scumreading Titus but claims that she's always mislynched so he's giving her space.

This isn't a claim. It's a dead fact. Go look. I know it's easy to forget all the times she's had a D1 exit as town, because success naturally sticks in your mind more so than failure, but read through her games. It's there. She's a brilliant player who almost never gets the chance to play because of built in confbias. I guess I'm the only person who remembers? Maybe because I've played so often with her? At any rate, this isn't a smoking gun. Look at my and her FFVII. I'm town and this is town behavior.

[Jaqen Hghar]

except i have a really good track record of reading her.

I don't know that. This is the second game I've played with you iirc. And your rules describe her every game not her scum game so you may want to reevaluate. And that has nothing to do with me so shall I finish?

[Jaqen Hghar]

And while you wait, check out my town games FFVII is a recently finished game. The same type of thing being applied to Titus is being applied to me. I'm sorry I'm hard to sort. My town game is my scum game is my town game. Consider that for a moment. You asked for and looked at 2 of my scum games without weighing any of my town games in the mix (to my knowledge). If you had weighed them in you wouldn't be edging toward the confbias that I'm probably scum. You may be frustrated that there's no descernable difference between the two but you'd know that meta doesn't mean shit when it comes to me.

The only way to judge me is through my actions in the game I am currently playing. Not the words I say. This is because I'll run gambit after gambit after gambit after reaction test etc and constantly throughout the entire game to see how people will react around the things I say because it's the easiest way catch scum out. And, if that gets me mislynched here, eff it because it's just a game. A really long game but a game nonetheless. Here I've killed the SK. I've named every Blue scum. And I've helped lynch every Red scum. I've fought like hell to save townies the rest of the town couldn't or wouldn't consider the motive behind their play. You can't get any townier than that.

[Jaqen Hghar]

like, it feels like youre overreaching to try and justify you defending titus.
i feel like you should know how bad it looks and take a step back from "oh man titus is like that every game" because it looks like youre trying to force your behavior on d1 seeming natural way too hard.

I don't care how bad it looks. Seriously. Go read FFVII.

[Jaqen Hghar]

youre sounding awfully fake right now.
also you saying you helped titus get lynched is a load of shit.

Vote Count Final

Titus (12) - Gorkington, Farside22, curiouskarmadog, spiffeh, Xtoxm, Slobberknocker, St Constantine, masters of fart, Imperium, White Narcissus, Jaqen Hghar, Titus

Saint (2) - Oversoul, Anenien
Voidedmafia (1) - Loranthaceae
White Narcissus (1) - Saint
St. Constantine the Hermit (1) - Voidedmafia

Not Voting (5) - dramonic, Fresh, Profgessor Emotion, TheIrishPope, ZZZX

With 22 Alive, it takes 12 to Lynch

Activity Check - Seeking replacement for TIP

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It is now Twilight, that will last until I say so.

[Jaqen Hghar]

also, seriously.
if one more nonobvtown person calls themself obvtown im gonna scream.
stop.

Read my town game Gork. Read it. Everything I've DONE this game is town. That has nothing to do with what I've said. And I'm not calling myself obvtown. In fact, I just acknowledged that I'm hard to pin down as one or the other. It doesn't change the fact that everything I've DONE this game has been town motivated.

[Jaqen Hghar]

jaqen.
youre seriously implying.
your contributions between d1 and d2.
were a net boon to titus being lynched.
because if you are.
i'll vote you.
right here and now.

Vote how you like. With your emotion, with your head. Whatever. No, I wasn't some major player in getting her lynched, but I undeniably contributed to it. It's just one vote but without it, her lynch may have been derailed. On D2 of a large multiball scum have no reason to bus their team. They could just as easily have sidelined it and drawn no suspicion in doing so.

[Jaqen Hghar]

ive had enough.

So a give up vote. WOW. Confbias at its best.

Welp DGB should I continue or are you ready to give the game away?

[Jaqen Hghar]

Really gOrk? We've played this game for three fucking months and you're gonna just apathetically throw in the towel at the end because you don't wanna be fucked with putting in a little more work? Why'd you even sign up if you're just gonna flake like this at the end?

[Jaqen Hghar]

No Gork. I'm not rewarding your bad behavior because it's your scumday. Not going to do it

[Jaqen Hghar]

yeah sorry.
i had enough of this shtick from warped.
its tired coming from you.
you can die now.

That's just it. It's not schtick. I'm trying to get a town win here. Everything Void described is, to a "T" my town game. You need only read over, or even skim, one,two, maybe three to realize that's true. You're either throwing the game or you've been flying under the radar all along. One way I'll be very impressed. The other bitterly disappointed.

[Jaqen Hghar]

"man vote however you want idc"
"jk i actually care"
whatever jaqen.
warped outplayed you and dgb outplayed you.
thats what its come down to.
if youre scum you got outplayed.
if youre town you got outplayed.

there are plenty of reasons youre scummy and where warped at least admitted there was some validity there, youre just actively playing dumb and it just makes me feel like youve been fucking with me for a long time.

i could be wrong.
i just dont really care that much anymore about worrying about it.

You never let me finish. We went to talking with each other instead. Warped had some good points. Those points don't make me scum, but he did have some good points.

[Jaqen Hghar]

but im super not okay with you trying to imply that your play this game doesnt reek of your scum-meta.

Coming from one who won't even read over my town game and has no perspective of such.

[Jaqen Hghar]

The only other game you've played with me I was scum. And you're confbiasing off that limited exposure. Why are you refusing to give it a look?

[Jaqen Hghar]

VOTE: GORKINGTON

nobody do anything. I'll go get my relevent town game stuff. Gork is full of shit. He's put in all this effort for 3 solid months and fought hard for to win. There's no way he's just throwing in the towel now

[Jaqen Hghar]

Nah DGB. You're obviously not going to consider whatever I post so do what you will. I wash my hands of it

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p7090515
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p7086933

that's as far as I'd gotten and was going to my older games when I stopped by here and realized it wasn't going to be worth the time I'd have to put in to gather the rest.

[Jaqen Hghar]

I have no idea what point Jaqen is trying to make with the Titus stuff.

I was saying that she gets mislynched A LOT. That she had just been mislynched in another game I was playing. I was giving my mindset. That was the only point.

[Jaqen Hghar]

but jaqen.
remember?
you said you never forget anything to call dgb scum.
how could you possibly forget that you were town in the only game youve played with me?
is it because youve been talking hot air this whole time?

I didn't say I never forget anything. When I played with you I was playing 2 other games as well. In two of them I was scum. You weren't a relevent factor to me in the game we played so I got you mixed up.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Don't confuse upset with disappointed.

pedit. I pick a random non relevent town read to do that to in order to see how people react around it. dun dun dunn. which you'd know if you bothered to read through more than 2 of my games.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Nah DGB. You're obviously not going to consider whatever I post

That's not true, I am giving you one last honest chance to win!

If you're bullshitting (which I think you are) then hammer me. If you're really going to consider what I dig up say so in a way that doesn't sound impish

[Jaqen Hghar]

oh yeah totally.
thats what happened in that game.
didnt you force bins to claim and then still not believe that claim?

Now Bins I remember. Yep I fucked that one up and good. It was my worst town game EVER.

[Jaqen Hghar]

My town games you should have a look at which are relevant to this one

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=62749
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=36072
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=62982 (this one is ongoing but it's a perfect match for a relevant town game; hope I don't get in trouble, shhhhh!)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=29170
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=31652
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=29995
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=28572

[Jaqen Hghar]

LOL
LOLOLOLLLL
HOW COULD YOU FORGET WHO SOMEONE REPLACED.
LOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Ireelevent=unmemorable. I had no beef with you (or her for that matter) so to compare me remembering you whom I have no personal feelings for one way or the other to Void and Loran's very personal grievances is comparing apples and oranges.

[Jaqen Hghar]

I find it scummy though that you'd twist te two as if they had anything in common. I can see where you'd find it funny though.

[Jaqen Hghar]

My town games you should have a look at which are relevant to this one

You know I won't read all these games.

One of them you already have I know for sure.

I'm pretty sure you read the Xeno game as well (the one with Rach and 2)

One is a short newbie

If you skim them you;ll see. If not and if I'm still alive when my wife and I get home from doing some early Christmas shopping I'll go through and pick out the parts, but she's chomping at the bit and coming into the computer room every 2 minutes to see if I'm done yet. I have to get off now. YOur choice. No hard feelings either way. It's not like we spent 1/4 of a year together with this or something so I realize how 7-8 hours is an unreasonable amount of time to ask for.

[Jaqen Hghar]

big thank you to warped for making me worried by not being here right now.

p-edit: right.
because thats why you voted me.

Nope. but it is scummy none the less. Not like you can't do scummy shit after someone votes you for some other scummy shit.

[Jaqen Hghar]

It's twilight because there's a traitor and a recruit. Have fun.

[Jaqen Hghar]

I was town so now either they cross kill, co win, or one gets over on the other. Either way probably a town loss here.

[Jaqen Hghar]

LIES! THE MOD LIES! I WAS TOWN!

[Jaqen Hghar]

Also Jaqen why did you kill me?

You might have won if you left me alive.

Toss up between you and Warped. Originally I said DGB and abandonmes that pretty quickly. I had to decide whether is look better carrying two doubters or two followers with me to MYLO. I realized is made a mistake choosing you before the 48 hours were up but the "dawn is approaching" message had already been posted and is been told previously once that was done so were the night selections.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Yeah. Already thanked you guys once. I had a blast. Thanks for putting this together for is and sticking with it! Great job!

[Jaqen Hghar]

GD I can't seem to hit "u" on my phone....

[Jaqen Hghar]

I don't understand how Jaqen wasn't lynched earlier after using the same exact fake claim as Voided...

4 realz?

yeah, they claimed the exact same person, just read the Dead PT, we were all there staring at how he wasn't lynched yet.

LOL, I said I didn't read the game...

I was nervous using it but at that point i really wanted to make an overall point. I knew Void had used it even though I didn't read any of his posts. I suggested he use it.

[Jaqen Hghar]

I was nervous using it but at that point i really wanted to make an overall point. I knew Void had used it even though I didn't read any of his posts. I suggested he use it.

But if anyone had realized you'd done that, they'd have known 1) that you never called voided out for claiming "your" role, and 2) the only place you could have gotten that claim was from the scum PT

Hence I was nervous. But I think my point was made. Or at least I hope so.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Good job Jaquen. You didn't win, but you gave it one hell of a shot. Given the odds against you, it was good you survived that long. The setup pretty much confirmed you as scum six ways from Sunday. I'll have more to say later after I'm done mourning the loss of my Cowboys.

Thanks! I really appreciate that. The scum Red Thread will show how hard I worked, even if it wasn't too evident here.

Dramonic- Why wouldn't you get off your death tunnel? It appeared Imp picked up on that I was genuinely wanting to work together to a co-win. Their outro said that much. The only reason I killed you was because you wouldn't find a reason to get off it. I knew you were other team since maybe the end of D1, definitely D2, and tried to ignore you while after Fresh was redirected to (I wanted to no kill that night) sending out my desire to work together as a huge scum team with three kills.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Tbh, I was surprised why Jaquen wasn't lynched right after Fresh flipped. The pair sharing a vig kill wouldn't be balanced if Fresh's team got an extra kill.

[Jaqen Hghar]

it almost made red team win.
is what it did.

I said in the dead PT, I still feel like Jaqen could have won if he'd just played it cool and gone with no-lynch, but it's hard to say. You were doubly confirmed town (vanillaized by red, plus doc protected), DGB is always a wild card at endgame, and Warped was fairly determined. In the end, I think that Jaqen just ran out of nights to make good kill targets. He played really well though.

I felt like Jaqen did a great job completely alienating fresh from the town. He went on the attack when he needed to and looked great coming out of it. I probably would have left dram alive one more night to help with killing, but I think Jaqen either got worried dram would shoot him first or became paranoid that dram had a guilty on him because of dram's push. I forget which.

Ah. The first one. We could have easily won this if we had played together but my last ditch work together thing was turned away so it was time.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Oh, and could we get the PTs up?

[Jaqen Hghar]

My gosh Jaqen you read so hard into everything we couldn't believe it. No, there was no way for you to ever have a joint win with the opposing faction...

Even if we had say gotten to Lylo and just refused to kill each other?

[Jaqen Hghar]

Aka the Jaqen Rule.

Haha! I did something!

[Jaqen Hghar]

Is that really something to be proud of?

Exposing a loophole in the rules that could be easily abused in a large where if the opposing scum factions become aware of each other and decide to work together to a co-win they then become a larger than normal unknown and informed team with multiple night kills? Yeah, probably.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Together we're gonna vig someone. He doesn't have any reads one way or another on either of you two. I have him 99% convinced I am town. He thinks it will throw this team way off if he and I kill pisskop. That's about it over thurr.

<3

[Jaqen Hghar]

Ok. That Loran guy is legit effin cuckoo. I see where you're coming from now Void.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Why? I've been in at least 3 games with a neighbor vig mechanic. The other two were town/scum. There can always be something to balance it.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Ok. That Loran guy is legit effin cuckoo. I see where you're coming from now Void.

Where'd you learn?

His PT. Sheesh!

[Jaqen Hghar]

Thank you mods and great game for all. Congrats town. I again played poorly so that's all I'll say about myself.

Hydra for the next one?

Prein either way if you guys are allowing those.