Secret Alt Mafia 2 – Game over!

[Gumby]

No. No, I am not the brain specialist. No I am not. Yes! Yes I am!

I was gonna be all jokey and post in the style of the Gumbies for the entire game but apparently this is serious or some bullshit so I'm kinda sad.

Let's begin some discussion. I would greatly appreciate it if every player could answer the following questions in their next post.

1) How many years of mafia experience do you have on your main account? (Less than 1 year, 1-2 years, 2-3 years, 3+ years)
2) What are your thoughts about the balance of this game, given the reviewers (Faraday and chamber) and the mod (Quilford). Do you have mod meta?
3) Do you watch anime? What's your favorite?

1) Time does not apply to me.
2) I have no clue as to the identity of these foolish mortals.
3) The fuck is an anime?

4) What's your opinion on short 10 day deadlines? Good for town? Good for scum? Did you know that you were getting into this?

4) Deadline doesn't make a huge difference.

It would greatly help your win condition more if you were to be more articulate in explaining your stances and reasoning behind your reads.

This is newbtown.

Newbtown. In a game where everyone must have completed at least 5 games to play. Like, I get that your definition of "newb" may be different, but I feel that after 5 completed games there must be a point where you get past the "newbtown" stage.
People who find weak excuses to townread others always worry me.
VOTE: Shiba Tatsuya

[Gumby]

But seriously that whole RQS thing was atrocious. RQS questions aren't that bad on their own, but what Shiba did was not good. It's an easy thing for scum to set up - ask RQS questions, you

know

that someone is going to not answer them, so you accuse them of "stifling discussion" and vote. Voila.

[Gumby]

Gumby can go into the scumpile.

Man, solid reads after one post, this guy must know his shit /s

[Gumby]

Gumby can go into the scumpile.

Man, solid reads after one post, this guy must know his shit /s

Sucks getting caught after one post.

Did you read what I wrote about Shiba after the post you quoted?

I did. I disagree. You may see "someone who has lived here for under a year" as newbie, but I feel that once a player has completed 5 or more games, they are exempt from any benefit of the doubt (read: weak reasons to townread) from being "newbtown". Otherwise you're honestly suggesting that they completed 5 (well probably about 3 town games but ya know) games as newbtown without gaining enough skill to be read as anything beyond newbtown. That is rubbish.

[Gumby]

My reasons being called a strawman is ironically a strawman.

But I don't even believe that Shiba is newb. I don't honestly think a newb would have such a strong stance on

brainless and strictly inferior RVS.

[Gumby]

It would greatly help your win condition more if you were to be more articulate in explaining your stances and reasoning behind your reads.

This is newbtown.

Newbtown. In a game where everyone must have completed at least 5 games to play. Like, I get that your definition of "newb" may be different, but I feel that after 5 completed games there must be a point where you get past the "newbtown" stage.
People who find weak excuses to townread others always worry me.
VOTE: Shiba Tatsuya

Why do you attack Dead guy for calling Shiba newbtown but then vote Shiba? Shouldn't it be the other way around for you?/quote]
Shiba was the one that did the actual scummy thing I didn't like, Dead just weirdly townread them. I admit I didn't make this as clear as I could have.

[Gumby]

Gumby, I assume Shiba's played a lot of newbie games. It explains the strong stances on RVS vs RQS but lack of exposure to playstyles where people don't explain their reasons.

Okay, now you're making a bit more sense.

[Gumby]

Hmm

I've been wondering whether to claim or not but I know it'll bite me in the ass either way so

I'm Miller.

Yes, I can hear you all roll your eyes.

However, from the wording of my PM, I can assume that the Cop receives their result as "Mafia, not Mafia". This hints to me the existence of a malevolent third party. To the Cop - don't take any "not Mafia" results as clear.

[Gumby]

Shiba was the one that did the actual scummy thing I didn't like, Dead just weirdly townread them. I admit I didn't make this as clear as I could have.

What was that scummy thing you didn't like?

But seriously that whole RQS thing was atrocious. RQS questions aren't that bad on their own, but what Shiba did was not good. It's an easy thing for scum to set up - ask RQS questions, you

know

that someone is going to not answer them, so you accuse them of "stifling discussion" and vote. Voila.

[Gumby]

So what makes that scum and not dumb?

The way it looked to be setting up to vote anyone who disagreed, to moi.

[Gumby]

QuailfordLOL - His analysis that Shiba's RQS was bad is accurate. I agree. Town.

Do you agree with him about Shiba being scum just because of that bad RQS though?
Because that looked like an awful lot of opportunist screening of bad=scum to me.

Pretty obvious that Dead is doing a bally well funny jab at anyone who disagrees with him.

[Gumby]

@Gumby: Same question applies.

Town don't tend to set something up like that intentionally to get easy "scumreads" and pretend to be looking for scum.

[Gumby]

Well anyway that's my reason for my vote.

I'm surprised no one asked me why gumby is not in my scumpile when he did the same thing.

Damn, now I'm gonna have to ask you that question.

[Gumby]

Gumby, can you paraphrase the wording in your role PM?

I'ma just PM the mod with my planned wording for this to be safe, I can be pretty bad at paraphrasing

and can also be pretty paranoid about this stuff

. I'll reply upon its confirmation.

[Gumby]

@Gumby: Same question applies.

Town don't tend to set something up like that intentionally to get easy "scumreads" and pretend to be looking for scum.

How do you know he was doing that, though, and not just trying to get a handle on an already complicated game? Wouldn't that point more towards town? What about his actions after the fact? Has he actually pursued that, or did he use that to springboard out of RVS?

I'm not sure, I'll reread after food. Not liking the jump onto Dead for not answering after Greatvalue explained though.

[Gumby]

@Gumby: Same question applies.

Town don't tend to set something up like that intentionally to get easy "scumreads" and pretend to be looking for scum.

How do you know he was doing that, though, and not just trying to get a handle on an already complicated game? Wouldn't that point more towards town? What about his actions after the fact? Has he actually pursued that, or did he use that to springboard out of RVS?

The first one looks like a "spring out of RVS", but it looks like they've kept their vote on Dead, and hasn't given any reason beyond "not doing my RQS" as far as I can tell. I'll see how it develops, but as of the current time I dislike it.

[Gumby]

Currently, I have townreads on Greatvalue and Dimitri.

Scumreads on YouAreDeadToMe

and Natural Aristocracy.

This is where he first stated a scumread on YADTM. That's just because of the refusal to RQS and a naked vote. Yehhh...

[Gumby]

@Gumby: Same question applies.

Town don't tend to set something up like that intentionally to get easy "scumreads" and pretend to be looking for scum.

How do you know he was doing that, though, and not just trying to get a handle on an already complicated game? Wouldn't that point more towards town? What about his actions after the fact? Has he actually pursued that, or did he use that to springboard out of RVS?

Explain how the game is particularly complicated?

[Gumby]

Alright, I'll take the risk and just say it. I'd rather be accusing of "stalling" than modkilled but ya know.

Upon inspection from Cops aligned with the Town, they get a result of "is Mafia".

Yes, it specifies that as being the returned result.
Yes, it specifies Town Cops, and that results given to other roles are genuine.

As for the belatedness of the claim, I was considering just trying to play obvtown and hoping I don't get inspected (because claiming Miller will result in a policy lynch down the line) but I decided that I fucked that up so claiming was the best option.

I'm not very good at playing obvtown unless circumstances allow it.

[Gumby]

Alright, I'll take the risk and just say it. I'd rather be accusing of "stalling" than modkilled but ya know.

Upon inspection from Cops aligned with the Town, they get a result of "is Mafia".

Yes, it specifies that as being the returned result.
Yes, it specifies Town Cops, and that results given to other roles are genuine.

As for the belatedness of the claim, I was considering just trying to play obvtown and hoping I don't get inspected (because claiming Miller will result in a policy lynch down the line) but I decided that I fucked that up so claiming was the best option.

I'm not very good at playing obvtown unless circumstances allow it.

OMG the contradictions! LOL

VOTE: Gumby

Fuck are you on about?

[Gumby]

Which specific circumstances would "allow" you to play obvtown?

Telling you would probably give away too much regarding my main. Sorry.

[Gumby]

Which specific circumstances would "allow" you to play obvtown?

To answer this as vaguely as possible, roles tend to be the most common one, although I have sometimes been townread for inexplicable things.

[Gumby]

Reading kinda like Value realised that finding an excuse to scumread me would do him well so he found one, by quoting a post and yelling "CONTRADICTIONS!!!!"

[Gumby]

First off, Dipsy's avatar is fucking terrifying. Christ.

Explain how the game is particularly complicated?

The alt mechanic eliminates many of the tools used in reading other players. Shiba's RQS, while misguided, was meant to determine experience, possible setup, and player thought process/mindset. Only the anime question was really random. The rest of those questions point to a player that has no clue what's going on and is doing his absolute best to get a handle on the game early. Ergo, town.

See, this confuses me on the whole "he's new" point you made because, if so, surely he's used to playing with people who he doesn't know..? I'ma stop on this line of reasoning because I think it was late night me talking bollocks to my brain but ya know.

I sorta had to rush/skimread through the last few pages because I have to leave so I'll read through and actually comment when I get back.

[Gumby]

First off, guessing alts is a silly idea. People are going to be intentionally playing against their metas because they can do it without immediately being called scum for not playing to their townstyle, and also to distance themselves from their main. Yes, this applies to either alignment, don't say "but town wants to be read, only scum wants to hide meta!!!!". People want to vary their playstyles, ya know?

PLAYER NAME: Link to something notable in their ISO, you saying if that thing is 'scummy' or 'town'. Personal statement of feelings on that and/or a question that's lost in the reads list and may never be answered.

Have you heard of asking questions?

Total aside;
Should we reveal our main in twilight post-flip?
Or should we save that for post-game?

I'm revealing at the end of the game, want to keep people guessing

So far, I'm retracting my scumread on Shiba (the read was pretty tentative), and I'm leaning town on Dead and Dipsy. I'm liking my vote still, but I'll look through to see if it's still a thing I agree with or if it was one of those "it made sense at the time" reads I do oh so much.

[Gumby]

Reading kinda like Value realised that finding an excuse to scumread me would do him well so he found one, by quoting a post and yelling "CONTRADICTIONS!!!!"

Alright, I'll take the risk and just say it. I'd rather be accusing of "stalling" than modkilled but ya know.

Upon inspection from Cops aligned with the Town, they get a result of "is Mafia".

Yes, it specifies that as being the returned result.
Yes, it specifies Town Cops, and that results given to other roles are genuine.

As for the belatedness of the claim, I was considering just trying to play obvtown and hoping I don't get inspected (because claiming Miller will result in a policy lynch down the line) but I decided that I fucked that up so claiming was the best option.

I'm not very good at playing obvtown unless circumstances allow it.

OMG the contradictions! LOL

VOTE: Gumby

Shitfucking butts, people and their avatars.

I may have slightly mixed up Greatvalue and Quailford. I hope showing you these posts prove it.

Hell yeh I'll vote Quailford lol, I thought it was GreatValue who pulled that crap.
VOTE: Quailford

[Gumby]

Oh fuck, they're gonna be like this the entire game, aren't they? I already have a headache.

[Gumby]

ill try not to suck as much with spelling k?

Thanks, it can be really hard for me to pay attention to posts and read them carefully if I have to decipher their meaning.

[Gumby]

What's superscummy? Originally trying to go for the "play well enough that you don't get inspected and thus Miller never plays a part" before realising that, frankly, I was basically going to be inspected because I'm crap so claiming was a good idea?

[Gumby]

Okay so what you appear to be scumreading me for now is incompetence of playing as Miller.

[Gumby]

And you think it's a fakeclaim despite the easily disprovable details why..?

[Gumby]

you're panicing because i guiltied you

I wouldn't really say Natural Aristocracy has been immovable. I get the opposite impression. There's something slimy and smarmy about the way he talks and the language that he uses. This post is particularly bothersome:

Thanks, SpiderGwen. I definitely see what you mean. I was not a huge fan of Dipsy's entrance, myself, as it seemed to sling a bit of mud but not really achieve anything. It felt ephemeral and weightless. I suppose you're more on the money with actual criticism, there.

Do you think Dipsy's off-the-cuff approach and pushing could come from a town slot?
About how long do you want to interact with other players before going with a lynch for the first day?
If you could choose any single wagon to fold into yours on Dipsy, which would you choose and why?


I like that you are pulling this much from the few posts that Dipsy has. I wonder how Dipsy will respond--I was originally curious if your retaliation for him was solely coming from a place of OMGUS frustration and confirmation bias. It seems like you're extrapolating meaningful connections from his posts rather than just conjuring points out of thin air, so that's good.

Actually, you just quoted the post I think proves my point. Aristocrat just agreed with me on Dipsy after I explained my read, and then he did absolutely nothing about it. Zero follow through would probably be a better way to put it. He just sat there and did nothing.

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Explain how the game is particularly complicated?

The alt mechanic eliminates many of the tools used in reading other players. Shiba's RQS, while misguided, was meant to determine experience, possible setup, and player thought process/mindset. Only the anime question was really random. The rest of those questions point to a player that has no clue what's going on and is doing his absolute best to get a handle on the game early. Ergo, town.

See, this confuses me on the whole "he's new" point you made because, if so, surely he's used to playing with people who he doesn't know..? I'ma stop on this line of reasoning because I think it was late night me talking bollocks to my brain but ya know.

I never said he's new?

you're panicing because i guiltied you

I'm gonna agree with this and seriously consider voting NA. I would see town going "you're gambitting, you haven't got an inspection at all" first, rather than this reaction.

Explain how the game is particularly complicated?

The alt mechanic eliminates many of the tools used in reading other players. Shiba's RQS, while misguided, was meant to determine experience, possible setup, and player thought process/mindset. Only the anime question was really random. The rest of those questions point to a player that has no clue what's going on and is doing his absolute best to get a handle on the game early. Ergo, town.

See, this confuses me on the whole "he's new" point you made because, if so, surely he's used to playing with people who he doesn't know..? I'ma stop on this line of reasoning because I think it was late night me talking bollocks to my brain but ya know.

I never said he's new?

Didn't you? Man, I am having a ball with mixing players up this game :/

[Gumby]

"everyone voting for gumby is scum" is a policy thing, stop being dense. general, policy, functionally the same. but i didn't do that. i pointed out specific posts and said why i thought those posts were indicative of scum

Bull crap. You only pushed those who were pushing Gumby as scum. And no, you didn't give reasons. You just pointed at our posts and said scum and then followed that up with some BS about scum trying to push the miller claim. Town would have stepped back and looked at that wagon and what happened. Only 2 people on the wagon likely meant scum was not messing with Gumby's claim if he was town. At most you had 1 scum on there, meaning your job should have been to figure out which vote was the scum one. You didn't do that. You just made a blanket statement of "everybody on this wagon (which was everyone pushing him) is scum". Stop trying to evade responsibility with this semantics BS.

However much I'm townleaning Dipsy right now, this is a good point.

If we're gonna decide who was scum on my wagon, it was fairly obviously Quailford. It's mostly common sense but I'll probably explain it more detailed in a little bit.

i honestly hate this game its lik some1 collected the most boring posters on this site and put them al in 1 game

I'd rather have boring useful people than silly useless people.

[Gumby]

Is this the point where i say that I thought shady's reaction test was fairly effective and that concorde's push of it reads as opportunistic?

[Gumby]

Dammit, I was trying to be clever with a big word.

What I mean to say, though, but it looks like Concorde is using that whole reaction test thing as an excuse to scumread you, rather than having it as a genuine reason.

You're weren't using it to actively get "town" (I mean the fact he's so certain NA is town is almost worse) lynched, it was a fairly obvious reaction test. He's just seen something he can scumread you for so he takes it and uses it.

[Gumby]

@SpiderGwen: look at the bold and particularly the italics.

Which specific circumstances would "allow" you to play obvtown?

To answer this as vaguely as possible, roles tend to be the most common one,

although I have sometimes been townread for inexplicable things.

Basically, whilst role-related stuff is most common, I can sometimes find myself being read as obvtown for others reasons, often ones I've struggled to understand. Did you deliberately ignore this detail?

[Gumby]

Mr. Established Active McTownRole isn't living up to his name. Clearly he is drowning with real life work which absolutely takes precedence over an online forum game. Gee, what a believable excuse.

?????

[Gumby]

Wow, didn't realise the wagon on Dimitri. Don't remember his posts being that bad, will ISO and see what I missed.

[Gumby]

Hmm, I can see where the scumread of Dimitri has come from, on a readthrough. Probably won't be pursuing it myself unless something else emerges though, for now at least.

[Gumby]

Nah, you see what it is, is that I can try and obvtown. Key word is "try". Didn't work this time, apparently.

[Gumby]

@Gumby: *shrug* I'm really seeing the Dipsy WK as the stronger possibility anyway. I'm just not comfortable in automatically giving you a town read based solely on the claim.

Umm, WK?

*confused*

[Gumby]

Fair enough. I almost guarantee that one scum is white knighting me, but I'm not sure if it's Dipsy.

However, Quailford's push on me is still horrible, if my memory serves me. Will check once I've finished doing ~things~

[Gumby]

Normally I don't care, but part of me just wants to start auto correcting every single Soothsayer post from now on. This is just getting obnoxious.

If this is referring to me calling you a male rather than a female I'll try and take note of it when typing but this alt format makes it rather difficult to remember.

Just come back and...seriously? Her name literally has the female name "Gwen" in it. It's... really not that difficult.

[Gumby]

Quick sum up:

Shady seems town, is convincing me to vote NA but Quailford is still ugh,
soothsayer is becoming questionable.

[Gumby]

For the record, this is why methinks Quailford his scummy; his read on me.

But seriously that whole RQS thing was atrocious. RQS questions aren't that bad on their own, but what Shiba did was not good. It's an easy thing for scum to set up - ask RQS questions, you

know

that someone is going to not answer them, so you accuse them of "stifling discussion" and vote. Voila.

YAY another townie LOL!

"he's town"

Gumby can go into the scumpile.

Man, solid reads after one post, this guy must know his shit /s

Sucks getting caught after one post.

Did you read what I wrote about Shiba after the post you quoted?

Good catch actually but he is also dropping town tells.

"he's town because town tells"

I don't see any towntells from Gumby yet. His reaction to me looked pretty scummy actually.

Fair enough, the jury is still out from my perspective.

"hmm, maybe scum actually idk"

Gumby, can you paraphrase the wording in your role PM?

I'ma just PM the mod with my planned wording for this to be safe, I can be pretty bad at paraphrasing

and can also be pretty paranoid about this stuff

. I'll reply upon its confirmation.

Aw, c'mon, you're just stalling. Just paraphrase! Use synonyms and change the punctuation and stuff.

Your belated miller announcement is noted with as UNFAVORABLE.

Alright, I'll take the risk and just say it. I'd rather be accusing of "stalling" than modkilled but ya know.

Upon inspection from Cops aligned with the Town, they get a result of "is Mafia".

Yes, it specifies that as being the returned result.
Yes, it specifies Town Cops, and that results given to other roles are genuine.

As for the belatedness of the claim, I was considering just trying to play obvtown and hoping I don't get inspected (because claiming Miller will result in a policy lynch down the line) but I decided that I fucked that up so claiming was the best option.

I'm not very good at playing obvtown unless circumstances allow it.

OMG the contradictions! LOL

VOTE: Gumby

"OMG SCUM VOTE"

This is a really, really artificial development. To me this reads like he started off with a townread, but then realised others were less certain of my alignment. As a result, he decided to start faking his way into a scumread on me. He starts off "he's town" because of vague, undescribed towntells, slowly develops into "actually maybe scum" purely because YADTM said I looked scummy, and then uses my claim as an excuse to scumread me. He was probably expecting a wagon to build on me. However, after this happened, he realised that, actually, others agreed I was townie, so he basically had to bullshit scumreading me to avoid appearing flipfloppy, hence the dodgy posts regarding me afterwards when questioned.

[Gumby]

So Dimitri hasn't posted for a while, that's nice. I don't see Quailford being lynched today due to him "just being trolly" (I mean I fail to see hoe that isn't a reason to lynch by itself but you know), and I reckon Dimitri has a nice chance of flipping scum.
VOTE: Dimitri Davidoff
L-1

[Gumby]

I reckon Dimitri has a nice chance of flipping scum.

okay, why?

VOTE: You are dead to me

Because wagon ahoy.

Also I'm townreading Greatvalue.
At page 2.

This game is going to be awesome I can feel it with my fingertip already.

So his second content post has both a jump onto a wagon, and a townread in 2 pages.

As I said, you don't need a meta tell to garner reaction.
Anonymous or not, RVS and RQS follows the same pattern anyway.

RVS: Random votes, people deny to place random vote/someone comes off awkward, wagon builds, pressure builds, and causes reactions.
RQS: Random question, people deny it calling it bad/someone comes off awkward, wagon builds, pressure builds, and causes reactions.

Okay, of his first buncha posts, a good majority of them are arguing this RVS/RQS point. This is filler and an attempt to appear like they're being helpful while, really, doing sweet FA.

P-Edit: Dimitri, RQS contains more words and is thus superior in determining a player's tone and motivations. RVS may potentially contain of only naked votes, and this being a completely anonymous game, player's cannot prioritize who to sort or we cannot infer specific reasons why a player voted a friend/enemy first.

You don't need a meta tell to garner reaction.
But alas, I don't want to derail the thread with discussion that should be only seen in MD.

I mean, he even says here he'll stop it, but alas you'll see this is before the last post.

LOL exactly as I said.

The player from Wal-Mart gets town points.

So, Shiba Scumsuya = scum and Great Value = town.

VOTE: Quailford

He votes Quail for agreeing with his GV townread and for stating a scumread that Dimitri at this point appears to be null on. This seems like quite the weak excuse.

So Qualford/Gwen

I new few more names and this game is good as solved.

Literally the first mention of Gwen in his ISO. His first of two mentions, the latter being

Actually I take my scumread on Gwen back.

So he stuffs out an unexplained scumread then retracts it, unexplained. How odd.

I won't have time to get to this until Sunday and little bit of tomorrow morning.

Will wreck some havoc afterwords.

Look at all this havoc he's been wreaking

oh wait

Sorry for not posting yesterday.
Have been sick all day.

Will be here evening though. So if you want me to give opinions on something specific when I come back let me know.

Oh neat, an explanation wait another promise to do something at a time and not actually doing it? Bleh.

That's a decent reason, imo.

[Gumby]

On one hand looking at that alt name I just want someone to hammer now

On another hand we only have 2 days left and really need to decide on a lynch

On another hand (yes I have three hands don't be a racialist) I'll unvote to let them catch up a bit.

UNVOTE:

[Gumby]

Dead - you're saying all this stuff about NA being town. Then why is your vote still there?

[Gumby]

Okay so what the hell happened to the Dimitri/Kumquat wagon? We unvoted briefly to let him talk, and he said fuckall apart from a stupid post. Why the hell has that wagon disappeared?
VOTE: Kumquat
I would be okay with CellPhone too but this whole mysterious wagon disappearance is fishy.

[Gumby]

Shouldn't Dimitri's identity be revealed for replacing out?

Um, no? We play blind, totally. Giving us a way to meta them defeats the entire goddamn point of the game. I don't get why you joined a game where the whole point is "you don't know who anyone is so you can't meta them" and then you proceed to try your best to figure out everyone's main. It's completely against the point of the game.[/quote]
Fine with either CellPhone or Kumquat, but preferring Kumquat.

[Gumby]

Sorry about that go at Shiba, but it's been something that's bugging me all game. It's like playing Kingmaker while making a regular votecount with people's votes and then forcing the King to hammer once someone reaches majority. If you join a game where the point is something, you should play to that point, and the fact that Shiba is doing so is irritating me beyond the game itself.

[Gumby]

i.e., I'm not reading it, it's just a pain.

[Gumby]

Ouch :/ looks like you composed that in your Scum PT before posting.

It's a scumslip. It happens.

VOTE: Joey Tribbiani

PEdit ninja'd

[Gumby]

Nah, it would've been just harsh to make them keep posting and catching up after they've already been caught.

[Gumby]

Isn't it? "Could find myself voting X" is the best way to make it seem like you're suspicious of someone but not have to follow through because you said "could find myself".

[Gumby]

There's a remote chance of one other thing meaning Joey town but that will have to come from someone else.

Given the 99.9% Joey scum, we can infer an active scumchat.

Or potentially he composed it overnight. That would explain why he was posting there in the first place.

[Gumby]

Phantom is a vote I won't shy away from.

[Gumby]

The problem with that making sense from a looking-at-the-results PoV is that it confuses me as to why he'd inspect Quail. I find it odd that he didn't inspect me, a claimed Miller, to see if I were Vanilla or not.

[Gumby]

Smooth.

[Gumby]

If we're gonna speculate where the N1 scum kill went, presuming you did vig Shiba, my bet is that it was a Doc and the scum targeted YADTM. She was super town and borderline softed Cop.

[Gumby]

First, I'm not exactly sure if Deadle was a cop that only looked for Vanilla or if that was just the mod's way of saying that he was a cop. Second, it doesn't matter, as any result on Quail would back up a strong townread. She would either have gotten a regular result back or a result that backed up Quail's soft. If she had investigated Quail and got Vanilla, I'd have expected more questioning concerning that vig statement. We got nothing. I don't think we can say either way here, but if you do believe Deadle investigated Quail, then you have to trust that Quail is also a PR of some sort and that Deadle trusted him to be town based on her result.

A regular Cop would flip as "Town Cop". A Vanilla Cop is a specific role that gets Vanilla/Not Vanilla results.

[Gumby]

The problem with that making sense from a looking-at-the-results PoV is that it confuses me as to why he'd inspect Quail. I find it odd that he didn't inspect me, a claimed Miller, to see if I were Vanilla or not.

Ooh and you're certain of that how? O.o

What do you mean?

People were speculating that Dead's townread on Quail was due to a result from his Vanilla Cop-ing, while I argued that it would make sense to target me first to find out whether I was a Non-Vanilla Milla or a Maf Goon.

[Gumby]

(Because mafia goons inspect as Vanilla)

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My mind isn't in the right place to do shit now because I had about one hour of sleep last night and lost a lovely amount of blood (yay nosebleeds) so this game has slipped by. I will pop back and actually do shit after having a good night's sleep tonight. Sorry!

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Going to be honest and admit that I've skimread for the last few days and paid incredibly little attention.

I'm going to start reading through from the beginning of the day in about ten minutes.

Don't hold your breath or expect any fancy revelation.

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Gumby towned it up pretty hard for me on d2

I barely made any posts D2, if my memory serves me correctly. How did I "town it up", exactly?

You are scum trying to cast suspicion on what is an entirely reasonable position.

After 1067, I found this comment hilariously lacking self-awareness.

Was expecting a lot more to come out of this readthrough. Disappointed.

VOTE: Phantom of the Opera dude's scum.

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Opera's posting "gag" seems to be custom made so that I don't want to read it closely and notice stuff. I'm still not liking, my vote is staying.

Can anyone explain the whole Dipsy-scum thing to me? I don't really get it.

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VOTE: Dipsy

Obligatory "disappearing while under pressure" vote.

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Oh no, I'm still more than okay with an Opera lynch. I just dislike Dipsy's disappearance under pressure (particularly given their high activity levels on previous days) so my vote is parking there for now.

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What are you on

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VOTE: Opera Was my first choice the right?

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This looks like a town Titus to me, jsyk. Wouldn't place a bet on it but I have scumreads elsewhere in such a manner that chasing after Titus is not worth it now.

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Have we still not lynched someone? Guarantee 90% that all we're gonna do is lynch one of DipZar/Phantom today and the other tomorrow.

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Bleh

I can see that, for some reason, we're not gonna convince people to vote Phantom because they're too hung up on Zarko. Here goes nothing!

VOTE: Zarko

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Much like those bastards who take your pencil at school and never fucking give it back, Spider Gwen, you have stolen my point.

VOTE: Phantom

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N1 - Quail, not VT
N2 - Concorde, VT
N3 - Phantom, VT

Okay so basically Greatvalue is town and so are Phantom and Titus

VOTE: Quailford LOL

Mehhhhhhhhhhhh, basically. I've been iffy of them since fairly early on and nothing's really convinced me otherwise.

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I mean, if there is nothing that stop kills then it's basically certain Quailford is scum anyway, regardless of setup spec.

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"this is not setup spec"

*proceeds to violently setup spec*

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Oh, not

just

setup spec, read it wrong, oops.

It is setup spec though. Don't act like it's anything else. It's logic, sure, but it's setup spec logic.

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Do you really think that town has 2 versions of the same role AND an investigative backup

Two roles which are pretty weak alone but can work together to get guilities on Mafia Goons, but that requires one to out, but they get backed up? Sure, that makes sense to me.

while scum have nothing

I mean they had an Encryptor, I'd hardly call that "nothing".

Do you know what would have happened if a scum VC investigated the miller? A false positive for them!A false positive for them!

Okay this is actually a decent point.

I'm conflicted. Thus, I am voting Quailford for non setup-spec reasons. I have already explained slight scumreads on them I believe and I'm honestly not getting a town vibe. The fact that there is still no explanation for the magically missing N1 kill is also contributory.

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And Mega will be protected tonight.

Great job, genius, you know?

"Let's claim Doctor

after

claiming Doctor might have been useful so a lynch can go through on someone who my Doctor could have cleared, but still leaving me open to a Nightkill tonight. Oh, and I'll tell everyone who I'm protecting too so scum know who not to kill!"

Like, seriously, are you actually being that thick?

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I have no idea who anyone was (apart from the player whom DGB was because I saw her post before it was deleted, thankfully I have little to no meta experience of DGB so I couldn't really... you know... do anything with the knowledge).

Now I wonder if anyone can guess who I am...

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(Hint: I'm not Marquis)

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I must say, the Station Chief is a really clever role; it gives scum quite a bit of useful power (knowing where all of the Cops visit), but it's info that is entirely useless to them unless they apply skill. It can be quite difficult to create a role like that. Well done.

I'm not going to get into balance conversations, but there was one problem that it was slightly broken by the massclaim; the roles have such a synergy that you see the claims and know it makes just enough sense for them all to likely be telling the truth.

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I'm quite happy that, during the game, no-one tried to guess who I was. Probably would have irritated me a little.

Confused by it though; I wasn't exactly attempting to disguise who I actually was, so I wouldn't be too hard to guess, methinks. I dunno.

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Actually, that's a slight lie; there's one aspect of me that I had to actively avoid because it would have given away who I was to basically anyone who's interacted with me.

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Eh, I prefer the guessing period being after the game so it doesn't get in the way of the game.

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True.

Shh, don't refute my points, I am unfallible.