Trouble in The Cougar's Den (Game over!)

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pos 1 Jakiro, dibs on safe lane

VOTE: BotLane

Vote: HerryPanther

This isnt 6.83 anymore.

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Day 4 is normally when I give my big reads post and nail the scumteam.

Ceph probably doesnt want to be shown up again.

I get it. Nobody likes feeling inadequate.

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Or because you're scum again and I always catch you.

Could be either one really.

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Which words exactly?

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"I"

"always"

"catch"

NY 176

Sabotage

We the Purple 2

In Smite you died before I nailed the entire scumteam.

Now you provide some counter examples and we'll compare.

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"I"

"always"

"catch"

NY 176

Sabotage

We the Purple 2

In Smite you died before I nailed the entire scumteam.

Now you provide some counter examples and we'll compare.

Fallacy... don't remember / care to look up the name.

A+ post.

My favorite part is where you didnt know enough about what you're talking about to talk about it.

Also the joke there for people who arent cephir is that those are all the games ive played with ceph scum.

There are no counter examples.

Which is why I assume he completely ignored it.

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Which is why I assume he completely ignored it.

read post 124 again and maybe you will be full of understanding

Do you think 124 says "i'm not going to interact with you on this one issue which i now realize im completely wrong about, while continuing to interact with you about other things." because we can both pretend it says that if you want.

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Prodded sorry.

I'm out of town for a funeral. I'll try and get back to this monday.

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- I didn't like TWIE's entry in 99 continuing the RVS (although I appreciate dota humor...), and it looks like he's the confrontational type, so I will be keeping an eye on him.

Oh that wasn't rvs. Calling position 1 THD in 6.85 is willfully ruining the game for your team. That's absolutely the scummiest thing in the game at that point.

TheWayItEnds has made 5 of 7 posts on the same tangential issue, and not even a whiff of scum hunting. That's good enough for a weak scum read.

Oh you sweet summer child.

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Ank you feel much more involved in the super early game than I remember... or is that just me?

You feeling my pv townread?

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I am wondering why people have a read on PV one way or another here. Can someone explain their read on them please?

Oh hey I can help with this.

I'm town reading PV because hes very probably town.

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I actually am thinking about it and am second-guessing a vedith push right now for a reason I don't really think is productive to expand on

he's used "it's stupid to vote me" line as scum before so no,

no soft-claimy for him.

hmm.

I actually liked both of those posts before this.

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I am wondering why people have a read on PV one way or another here. Can someone explain their read on them please?

Oh hey I can help with this.

I'm town reading PV

because

hes very probably town.

That is not very helpful, it is missing a because clause.

A better response to 725 is to ask LQ why the townreads on PV are an issue. (LQ, you can consider this post to be that question btw)

let me help you out.

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Very funny. I may at some time want a real answer.

I know. I may at some point give one.

I definitely would consider killing TWIE--while he's fairly trollish and arrogant and spammy, facts are, he's had good accuracy in some games, so I'd definitely consider him.

Oh hey sorry for spamming. I'll try and reign in my posting.

Mastin does long-winded WIFOMy self-reflecting posts every opportunity she gets, it means nothing

ew

MM can be in my tentative Scum reads right now.

ewwwwww

I'll know your alignment soon enough.

no that's not a soft, you nerds

-Panth

Why did you feel the need to clarify that?

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I actually am thinking about it and am second-guessing a vedith push right now for a reason I don't really think is productive to expand on

he's used "it's stupid to vote me" line as scum before so no,

no soft-claimy for him.

hmm.

I actually liked both of those posts before this.

What does this mean?
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It means I liked the two posts that Vedith made that Heartless is referring to there before he posted that because I read it in a different light than this seems to indicate he believes it was posted.

Mastin does long-winded WIFOMy self-reflecting posts every opportunity she gets, it means nothing

ew

Why?
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Because I didnt like that post.

MM can be in my tentative Scum reads right now.

ewwwwww

Whyyyyyy?

Because I really didnt like that post.

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fuuuuck

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Mastin does long-winded WIFOMy self-reflecting posts every opportunity she gets, it means nothing

ew

MM can be in my tentative Scum reads right now.

ewwwwww

Care to elaborate on these "eww's"?
I fail to see the 'grossness' especially in LQ's post, which I interpret you find more scummy because of your added w's

What do you need me to elaborate on, you clearly figured out the secret wwww code.

Matts post was bad because it came after the "I should rethink my tunnel on mastin" post, and then he moves straight into meh dont bother reading into those last posts that I just reconsidered my mastin read because of.
Especially since that looked like town mastin posting.

LQ's post was much worse because of how cautiously he gave a read on a lurker who still hadnt even made a post that game day.

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Can heartless/ceph/me just start a townbloc

ew.

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I'm guessing LicketyQuickety has never played with MonkeyMan before.

-Ank

Ank why dont I think you're town yet?

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Tbf twie is a meaniehead

This is true but like... not this game really?

Or do you just mean in general?

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Slight Scum
TheWayItEnds, BotLane - If either of you could do something other than post bunny pictures and telling everyone how bad they are playing that would be great

I havent done either of these things?

Maybe I should do that instead though.

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Stop posting stupid shit and filling up game with crap.

I cant.

Im too trollish and spammy.

Plus Im too arrogant to listen to you.

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lol.

matt's townreading me and scumreading mastin and Im not sure I like it.

unvote

I'm townreading you because I largely remember your tone from the last time I've played with you

I don't get why you dislike me scumreading Mastin?

we could start with what about her is different than her town game you played

Mastin does long-winded WIFOMy self-reflecting posts every opportunity she gets, it means nothing

Mastin does long-winded WIFOMy self-reflecting posts every opportunity she gets, it means nothing

okay. is this you trying to get a read on her?

Because this is the conversation you were having?

And it started before that post?

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What in 862 required a response?

Like, why specifically was it required for you to tell everyone to ignore that post?

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I'm not ignoring PV.

Hes town.

I know this because I read the posts he made yesterday.

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Why didnt you claim such an unusual/game deciphering role earlier, performer?

That role is unusual and uncommon
That role is borderline useless and possibly a town negative
That role is a huge chunk of information

okay. Lets try this again, or Ill vote you; not having read 1 page the whole way down.

Why didnt you claim it?
Did you crumb it?
What do you think the presence of your role suggests about the setup?

strongman punches through bp.

Are you seriously grilling the dead guy about his claim?

Will spend tomorrow lynching ika for what was possibly the shittiest hammer in all of mafiadom.

Like read this post.

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Anyway, VOTE: ReasonablyRational

K, so if you're wrong, what are you gunna do then?

I'll take up landscape painting.

OK, so what about in the game?

Honestly I think you are just looking for excuses to get your dick hard so you can attempt to stick it in my ass.

Its clear your a jerk and were prolly a bully in middle school who never quite reached full maturity.

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Fine, whatever. If the mod wants to modkill me its whatevs. Matt is clearly being a jerk and I don't like it.

1645 is not a good post.

Matts response to it was probably nicer than mine would have been.

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Nah thats overreaction and/or not reading. Its so over the top that I want to scumread it

Like that last quote doesnt have anything to do with his exaggerated complaint.

And now hes lurking the shit out of the game.

I was mostly referring to that last sentence in the post I quoted.

This reaction is fucking terrible though.

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I'm guessing LicketyQuickety has never played with MonkeyMan before.

-Ank

Ank why dont I think you're town yet?

You probably just forgot since I've been a non-contender throughout day two.

-Ank

You know I normally dont forget townreads, so that seems strange of me.

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Did he claim yet?

He's no where near L-1 and is not claiming yet. That is an order from Town.

ew

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Oh cool, I look forward to you being on my lynch.

eww

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Fine, whatever. If the mod wants to modkill me its whatevs. Matt is clearly being a jerk and I don't like it.

1645 is not a good post.

Matts response to it was probably nicer than mine would have been.

Matt has not done a damn thing except go after RR this whole day over something that is not at all something that deserves a whole gameday devoted to it. His excuse for this is he only picks one lead at a time. That's pretty convenient that he has pretty much nothing to say on anything else this whole game. It's not even a rock solid case, it can't be proven or disproven and its largely based on circumstantial evidence.

ok.

and?

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Did he claim yet?

He's no where near L-1 and is not claiming yet. That is an order from Town.

ew

Do you think that's a Scum post or something?

It certainly doesnt feel like a town one.

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ok.

and?

I'm saying he's putting all his eggs in one basket and that's a terrible approach to the game. I have given a town read on someone before just because they did the same thing. But here's the thing, I think he's doing it on purpose.

I think he may have found RR's crumb and is doing everything he can to get RR lynched because of it.

This makes less than 0 sense as a scum tactic just fyi.

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ok.

and?

I'm saying he's putting all his eggs in one basket and that's a terrible approach to the game. I have given a town read on someone before just because they did the same thing. But here's the thing, I think he's doing it on purpose.

I think he may have found RR's crumb and is doing everything he can to get RR lynched because of it.

This makes less than 0 sense as a scum tactic just fyi.

OK, but you're going to have to spell it out for me because I'm not seeing how its a terribad play.

because if scum matt caught a crumb it doesnt make sense for him to push RR to out it to town because it ups the chances that he could receive protection, or stop his lynch.

When he could instead, ignore it and just NK RR with a high chance of success, or RB him forever, or whatever.

I just dont get in what world it makes sense for scum to want information that they have that town as a whole does not out in the open.

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Like literally if his role is strong enough that you want it out of the game, the last thing you would do as scum is hard push for his lynch and draw attention to it.

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Errr.... Did you see the point that RR claimed the crumb? It was far after Matt was up to his neck in the push.

But here's the thing, I think he's doing it on purpose. I think he may have found RR's crumb and is doing everything he can to get RR lynched because of it.

wut.

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because if scum matt caught a crumb it doesnt make sense for him to push RR to out it to town because it ups the chances that he could receive protection, or stop his lynch.

When he could instead, ignore it and just NK RR with a high chance of success, or RB him forever, or whatever.

I just dont get in what world it makes sense for scum to want information that they have that town as a whole does not out in the open.

Oh hey I like you

not according to your reads list and meaniehead comments.

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wheres your crumb?

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where.

is.

your.

crumb?

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We're not in the least bit worried about being vigged. In fact ... a vig shooting us would accomplish absolutely nothing but wasting a vig shot.

This is the first thing that I can find that even remotely resembles a crumb and its for BP and not PGO. So if you could point out your actual crumb if i missed it when you get a chance that'd be great.

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Does your role PM say that specifically?

thats not how vengeful normally works

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So, do we think that the scum team is super inexperienced as a whole, or that they dont have daytalk?

Because two of the worst claims...

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Although it is interesting that they both claimed 1 shot when we havent seen that modifier on any flipped players.

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No they probably do have a 1 shot ability, strongman being the most common, that they were basing that claim on.

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But like given Monkey's claim i dunno how true that is.

Because miller was unnecessary, one shot was unnecessary given that it was day 2 and he can only have 1 result.

That was like, how to get lynched via bad claim 101.

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Prod dodge til monday sorry.

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vote vedith or we're lynching you today.

This.

Vote: Lickety

Umm, why the assumption that mastin wasn't the mafia kill?

because she wasnt.

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If that's a claim, it would make a bunch of stuff much easier to solve.
If it's not a claim, then once again how would you know?

Necklacing is a fire based kill

Blowtorching is a fire based kill.

You do the math.

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If that's a claim, it would make a bunch of stuff much easier to solve.
If it's not a claim, then once again how would you know?

Necklacing is a fire based kill

Blowtorching is a fire based kill.

You do the math.

Isn't it a general site guideline that method of kill doesn't indicate alignment of killer? Or am I mistakenly applying a specific rule too generally? It is definitely something I have seen before.

I don't know what necklacing is. I would have figured it was choking related if I were thinking about it at all.

Its a rule for people who let the NRG decide how much fun they can have. Theme games are special.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing

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Then maybe you should vote vedith.

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Yeah, well no one wants to be lynched either, but if hes town its clearly better for him to be venged over being lynched.

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Yeah, well no one wants to be lynched either, but if hes town its clearly better for him to be venged over being lynched.

This is absolutely not true. If he's town, and gets venged, that means vediths claim is true, which means Vedith is like super duper likely town, which means that sequence makes us kill two town with one mislynch. That actually isn't a good result at all. I get the argument that it's better for us to cut through the mislynch bait without having to spend an actual lynch on them, but I'm just pointing out that I don't see any reason why town him would feel being venged is actually a good thing, especially given the fact that he's not actually huge mislynch bait/a major distraction/someone without content to sort them, like yourself.

-Cerb

you almost couldnt be more wrong.

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Vediths claim essentially requires that we lynch him at some point. Using it as a second lynch is a great way to use it. As town looking at being lynched or agreeing to be venge killed, getting venged killed saves us a full night cycle of deaths and is fucking obviously better.

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We should really be lynching LQ over ank

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thats cute.

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@TWIE: How about a full reads list from you? Do you think you could be bothered to produce that?

probably not.

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We should really be lynching LQ over ank

Do you have a townread on Ank?

Not.... really.

Ank has just today started looking townish.

I do think hes less likely to flip scum than LQ after his antics today.

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Vig should claim, if it's an SK and we mislynch

today

today and tomorrow

then we are in lylo.

How does the vig claiming mitigate this at all?

like seriously whoa sk woupd never take out the last scumz so he could focus on town im so dumb for suggesting what I would do as the sk

stupid stupid stupid

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go wank off in the corner, fully agree wirh kthnx

Um. With 11 players left in the game, why would an SK ever risk eliminating a NK? Because they hate winning?

I mean I could keep arguing about vigs and why there isn't any particular reason for them to claim right now

Or I could put my head in a toilet and flush repeatedly

Yeah basically this.

listen, a doc cant protect a vig if the vig doesnt claimi

but the doc doesnt need to protect the vig if he doesnt claim.

Yeah.

Pretty firmly in camp, "why the fuck would the vig claim today".

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TWIE is like finding as much pointless material to respond to as possible

Like, my 2890 was even solved like 1 post later, what's the point of engaging it

yeah im responding to the discussion of the vig claiming. which would be pointless. you are correct.

the point of engaging it was asking how you think the vig claiming changes the time we get to lylo.

or you could answer this question

if it looks like the scum team is possibly vig hunting. why would you want them to claim?

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they claimed full BP.

why would a doc need to save them?

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That would be the dream scenario though. Totally take it to the scum every day and have them fail to kill us over and over at night.

Just to clarify.

This isnt you saying that you're full BP.

this is you saying hypothetically it would be nice to be a full BP and be good at this game?

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i mean i did think that was pretty obvious.

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yeah.

i think matt and ceph both asked for a mastin vig.

thats why i clarified that ika and mastin where shot by the same person.

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I killed Ika, mastin, lickety and dave.

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In post 3137, TheWayItEnds wrote:
I killed Ika, mastin, lickety and dave.


Why LQ?

Why not?

I thought he could be mafia and that we would still probably lynch him even if he wasn't after his strange behavior with vedith.

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yeah.

i think matt and ceph both asked for a mastin vig.

thats why i clarified that ika and mastin where shot by the same person.

you were townreading matt at the time?

I wasn't scum reading him after he clarified that I had misread the post of his that I "eww"ed. I don't think I had him as hard town, but it seemed to me that if the consensus town group wanted her vigged then it was better to do that than spend the day lynching her.

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I dont know why i didnt expect another quicklynch before i came back.

we have to lynch me today.

im compulsive.

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or i suppose we could no lynch.

but lynching me is probably safer.

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Scenario 1: Lynch TWIE. Scum kill. We are now at 3 player lylo, probably sans heartless. I don't like this situation, because I'm not sure which of you two is scum.
Scenario 2: No lynch. Scum kill. We are now at 3 player lylo, only TWIE is alive instead of Spiffeh or pisskop. Lynch surviving possible scum. Win.
Scenario 3: No lynch. Scum don't kill. Lynch the surviving player in Spiffeh/pisskop and win, or, no lynch and shoot that person, and if scum still don't kill, TWIE must be an SK, and we lynch him.

I think you got 1 right.

the problem with 2 is that if we miss tomorrows lynch and the last scum and i kill each other at night, everyone is dead and i dont know who wins that.

i think scenario 3 is more likely because it doesnt make sense for scum to put us to 3 man lylo instead of 4 man given that im compulsive unless they wanted to kill me. but if we lynch whichever of spiffeh/pisskop is still alive and then i shoot someone, scum can shoot someone or not, theres only 2/1 person alive after night 2. theres no way to lynch me if im an SK.

realistically if we're going to lynch me i think it has to be today.

but then if we do 1 its just me + heartless dead lylo.

where as if we dont we get to kill both piss and spiffeh?

i dunno whats better. im good with either.

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like i understand the need to undermine my post, but it wasnt for you it was for ceph.

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Why are you good with either :S

Well.

I think that no lynch and killing is better because it lets us kill someone tonight, and then lynch and kill tomorrow.

But the easiest way for scum to win is to let the no lynch happen and then not kill and try and get me lynched tomorrow.

Like essentially, if we can agree that im not an SK, no lynch is clearly better, but if we cant then we should just lynch me is where im at.

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because it lets us control more kills.

we no lynch, i get to shoot who we would have lynched.

scum team likely no kills.

we get to lynch and i get to shoot again. thats 3 town based kills.

if we lynch me instead we come back in lylo and get 1 shot and finding scum.

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Meh.

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I knew I had almost no chance to win this game once the scum team decided that they wanted to be terrible and get themselves lynched days 1, 2, and 3.

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I feel like i gave myself at least a shot though.

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god those scum kills were so bad all game.

i dont know if ive ever disliked a scum team as much as this one.

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the entire scumteam got themselves lynched in 5 days but i played terribly.

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Our team was horrible, and I freely admit that. That doesn't magically make your lurksack play actually good.

my lurksack play where i stay above being lynchable and below the line of ever considering to nk me where I claim vig like ive been setting up for all game and everyone believes me?

i dunno it sorta looked like it worked.

did it account for the worst scumteam ive ever seen?

no. but my play was fine.

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im playing an SK without any of nk protection.

I literally cant be front and center ever because its risking the game to do so.

I have another SK game where i played town as fuck because i had a 1 shot BP.

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oh wow im bad because i wasnt online when a quicklynch happened?

fuck me worst mafia player ever.

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And also LQ is who i wouldve shot there as town utility vig too.

The only shot i wouldnt have taken as town was mastin.

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nah i should have goverened them.

im so fucking stupid.