The Third Fortnight (Game Over [Bonus Round])

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UNVOTE: davsto
wayo time to read

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VOTE: Gork

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so I like read to #83 and then I had one of those moments where you like suck in air sharply so I was like agh and I looked in the activity overview and I saw he had like a crapton of posts, so I was like "obviously it must get better" but then it didn't :/

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asking for top three people you wouldn't kill seems like such a scum thing to do. Town would ask for a kill list.

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that's a pretty ridiculous thing to say

don't blame me
blame his scum role pm

How far have you progressed with your reading Nosferatu?

read glork in iso. Read up until 13 but like other than bulge getting run up to L-2 nothing interesting happened so I took a shower

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I might power through it tonight, but if I can't I'll try to finish it up before my AP test tomorrow.

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asking for top three people you wouldn't kill seems like such a scum thing to do. Town would ask for a kill list.

why.

Cause of like objectives. Town has to find and kill scum. Scum just has to survive. A not kill list is quintessentially against town's objective.

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have you read the setup nos?

in a setup where there is only D1, I'm fairly sure scum objective is still to survive a lynch and not get scumread. Now they just have to do it once.

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A not kill list is quintessentially against town's objective.

tell me why you think this.

have you read the setup nos?

in a setup where there is only D1, I'm fairly sure scum objective is still to survive a lynch and not get scumread. Now they just have to do it once.

and why does your point translate to this when it has nothing to do with being "against town's objective"?

i could get thinking that maybe i was faking being protown with that opening. it is earnestly probably something i could see myself doing as scum, albeit maybe using it as more of a crutch than i did.
but that isnt what you originally said. talk at me about why you changed your angle from "this guy is playing against town's wincon" to "hes trying to fake being protown".

might be being semantic here, but i'd still like you to elaborate.

I don't think I've changed my angle. I'm still arguing that the objective for town is to kill. That objective would have the natural effect of asking for a kill list rather than a not kill list.

Unless there's some reason why a not kill lists is objectively more useful than a not kill list, I will stand by the point I've made.

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would you like to share those reasons?

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@Gork I thought it was to gauge "how useful pressure wagons are going to be early on in this setup"

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@Gork I thought it was to gauge "how useful pressure wagons are going to be early on in this setup"

not really sure what this means?

you said you wanted to test "how useful pressure wagons are going to be early on in this setup" but I don't recall you ever giving the results of that test.

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Problem is the nature of this setup seems to actively discourage town openness with reads and cohesion.

i have literally no idea why you feel this way.

^

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@Gork I thought it was to gauge "how useful pressure wagons are going to be early on in this setup"

not really sure what this means?

you said you wanted to test "how useful pressure wagons are going to be early on in this setup" but I don't recall you ever giving the results of that test.

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aka gimme da results from it and why you needed a not-kill list and not a kill list.

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Fine
UNVOTE: gork

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ftr I still don't town read you but I recognize that I have no reason to keep a vote on you with my main argument rendered moot.

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nos unvoting me in spite of still thinking im scum without voting someone new is showy af.

i know where my attention is going if hiplop isodive changes my mind.

I'm null reading you. I don't have enough to scum read you.

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is there any important 1v1s I should start at or should I just start around where bulge almost reaches L-1.

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I'm not gonna lie, I am totally fixated on the Nosferatu slot right now. Reck was playing very underwhelmingly before he replaced out and now his replacement has done nothing in two days except mount and dismount an attack on a player with the weakest of evidence. There are only four and a half days until deadline; why do we know literally nothing about what you think of the remaining 14 players?

so once again, are there any back and forth's I should read or should I start at where bulge almost reached L-1. I already said I read up to 83 and then read gork in ISO. You shouldn't be asking this question when I've already given the answer.

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I'm not gonna lie, I am totally fixated on the Nosferatu slot right now. Reck was playing very underwhelmingly before he replaced out and now his replacement has done nothing in two days except mount and dismount an attack on a player with the weakest of evidence. There are only four and a half days until deadline; why do we know literally nothing about what you think of the remaining 14 players?

so once again, are there any back and forth's I should read or should I start at where bulge almost reached L-1. I already said I read up to 83 and then read gork in ISO. You shouldn't be asking this question when I've already given the answer.

Uh no,

you

shouldn't need directions to read the freaking game. Do you usually need people to tell you what you should read when you replace in?

I don't want to read what I don't need to. I'm asking for

your

convenience by reading conversations that a lot people have taken stances on and argued about so

you

can sort me better. Are you usually this pissy and obtuse to the people you are suspicious of?

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k.

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What does one who's setting up to flee read like?

rather distracting I'd say

Spoiler: awful catchup

page 1: mostly stupid pointless RVS bullshit to get wagons going
-only mildly interesting thing is katsuki knowing the original scumteam pre-reroll, and that's just stupid shit.

P3: wisps of future RVS breakaway starting to show
#32- is a really cringy post and it really out of place with the whole RVS thing going on everywhere else, and I don't see how Marquis was dancing around his alignment by admitting he was scum pre-reroll.
#44- most WIFOM shit right here

P4: people start to break from RVS here but not completely.
#71- literally me rn (aside from bulge vote)
#83- I've already given my opinion on why I think this is a scum-minded post but you already know that don't you gork; if that is your real name.

P5: whyareyouallsonull.gif
no posts grab my attention here.

P6: 1/2 shitpost 1/2 read discussion (kinda early imo)
exchange between T-bone and Kuroi give me some bad vibez but for not concrete discernable reason.

P7:
CES's ignorance of current posting is funny. (flatly laughs).
no singular posts are pinging me in anyway.

P8: bulge wagon shenanigans
I don't understand how #190 is a response to #189 but that might just be confirmation bias sneaking up on me.

P9:
#201 is obviously shit, but I assume someone points that out in the future later.
#205 resolves me earlier comment on #190, the discomfort was a general thing about a reasonable suspicion

P10:
Lynchbait argument seems town-town from tone, and while someone might argue tone isn't applicable with this accomplished playerlist, I don't give a shit, people talk and therefore have tone, and town usually has a tonal range that is frequently discernable.

P11:
on snarky's #251: are you reading this game through ISO or just ignoring the people who are "unread".

P12:
#294- fuckin disgusting. Awkward as shit

P13: ITT- johnny is confused
kuroi is just not all there.
#316- I'll be the putz to ask, why were the davsto and bulge wagons inherently town?

P14:
so like #329 is supposed to be from town to scum I assume, so why vote Kuroi over muffin; According to your wiki possible scum is between weak scumhunters and strong scum players, so which one is muffin this game?
Your other thing in you wiki is that you should only town read for precise, intelligent scumhunting or good claims and I don't see either from Bins at that point in the game so ???

P15: Kuroi is loud
#374: is this a kuroi-specific read or a general idea you hold.

P16:
I'm unsure of how I should feel about tbone's confidence here. So confident in winning he lurks out of the game.

One day I'll end questions with the appropriate punctuation. One day.

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so like VOTE: Quil how're you going to tell people to look at your wiki and then straight up not follow the theories you state in it?

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I'm not gonna lie, I am totally fixated on the Nosferatu slot right now. Reck was playing very underwhelmingly before he replaced out and now his replacement has done nothing in two days except mount and dismount an attack on a player with the weakest of evidence. There are only four and a half days until deadline; why do we know literally nothing about what you think of the remaining 14 players?

so once again, are there any back and forth's I should read or should I start at where bulge almost reached L-1. I already said I read up to 83 and then read gork in ISO. You shouldn't be asking this question when I've already given the answer.

Bulge reached almost L-1 at around post 170.

Why the hell do you have to ask if you should read a mere 90 or so posts? Information in there could be vaguely useful if not vital, and you're going to waste so much more time waiting for an answer rather than just, you know, reading.

was more asking if I should start later than that, but there were short 1v1s around that time anyway so win-win tbh

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P14:
so like #329 is supposed to be from town to scum I assume, so why vote Kuroi over muffin; According to your wiki possible scum is between weak scumhunters and strong scum players, so which one is muffin this game?
Your other thing in you wiki is that you should only town read for precise, intelligent scumhunting or good claims and I don't see either from Bins at that point in the game so ???

*headdesk*

You do realise that the list is in alphabetical order? I explain on a later page that I copied the player list from the OP and accidentally hit post.

Please finish reading the game.

I hope there's a reason why you did that.
UNVOTE: Quil

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jfc who explains a mistake 300 posts after the fact smh going back to reading then

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Antihero
Bins
Cogito Ergo Sum
Davsto
Gorkington
hiplop
JohnnyFarrar
Katsuki
KuroiXHF
Marquis
Quilford
SnarkySnowman
T-Bone
The Bulge
xRECKONERx
zMuffinMan

til that pressing tab and then space will post your post

I don't see "accident" or "not a readlist" there, and voicing concerns about reck and muffin after this post didn't help but apparently I'm retarded and don't make good points at all so lemme just shut up and catch up I guess.

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I feel like if hiplop doesn't get lynched and doesn't flee he will absolutely get votes

tomorrow

so the idea that scumlop will try to pull some sort of wifomy mind game is extremely unlikely.

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Oh come on Nos, anyone with half a brain reading that can tell he means the post-day stage even if he didn't use the "correct" term

Like what kind of a criticism is that

not criticizing, questioning. Evidenced by the several question marks. And the confused face. As anyone with half a brain could see. And I do mean that literally, it's on both sides of the picture.

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Oh come on Nos, anyone with half a brain reading that can tell he means the post-day stage even if he didn't use the "correct" term

Like what kind of a criticism is that

not criticizing, questioning. Evidenced by the several question marks. And the confused face. As anyone with half a brain could see. And I do mean that literally, it's on both sides of the picture.

Same difference. It's an entirely unnecessary questioning when it takes you literally about 5 seconds to go "why did he say tomorrow oh he means the next stage okay"

And I should assume I know what's running through his mind instead of questioning why?

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I feel like I've said this before but I don't personally know him. He could actually be this dumb.

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nos go catch up.

:/ Catching up takes time I don't have atm. Unless there are must-read pages I won't be able to provide commentary on past pages, only read them.

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eh, nosferatu's points have been pretty bad

i suppose he could be scum

ill maybe read through his posts properly later when i'm not

pretending to be

doing work

I'll have you know my points are the pinnacle of supremacy this game. You guys simply cannot comprehend my Freudian/Jungian analysis. But don't fret, one day you'll understand. And then you will look back in anger and disappointment at yourself, and look back in awe that I was able to ascend above your cognitive capacity like mount everest above sea level. And then you will rue the day you belittled actual perfection.

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:/ I'm caught up.

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you're annoying.

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I mean I literally have "Kuroi is annoying"

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But also why is that the first question you ask

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Town:
Antihero
JohnnyFarrar
KuroiXHF
Quilford
The Bulge


Awaiting more content:
Bins
PeregrineV
SnarkySnowman

TBD:
Cogito Ergo Sum
Davsto
Gorkington
zMuffinMan
Marquis
Katsuki

Might be scum:
hiplop
SnarkySnowman

SS's inclusion in two lists is intentional. I'll try to thin out that TBD list this afternoon after my AP tests.

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I repeat: Nosferatu, who's your top scum read and why aren't you voting for them?

hiplop but I want to find a game where he was pushed similarly and how he responded.

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Nosferatu is the scummy kinda lurker. Everyone unanimously sees reck as at least somehow scummy. And nos is doing effectively nothing

Reck made one awkward post and I'm not lurking.

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I finished catching up.

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I mean I caught up yesterday.

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So like I'm confused is the scum {Davsto, nos, gork, CES} or have you narrowed it down a bit?

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What do you think then Now?

Town:
Antihero
JohnnyFarrar
KuroiXHF
Quilford
The Bulge


Awaiting more content:
Bins
PeregrineV
SnarkySnowman

TBD:
Cogito Ergo Sum
Davsto
Gorkington
zMuffinMan
Marquis
Katsuki

Might be scum:
hiplop
SnarkySnowman

SS's inclusion in two lists is intentional. I'll try to thin out that TBD list this afternoon after my AP tests.

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Katsuki can probably go into the town pile now.

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Gork vs hip looks a lot like me vs mollie in NY192 so imma slap TvT on that shit.

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Just read Snarky scumgame, I don't think he would've avoided a scumteam proposal in his first readlist as scum

Town:
Antihero
JohnnyFarrar
KuroiXHF
Quilford
The Bulge
Gorkington
hiplop
SnarkySnowman
Katsuki

Awaiting more content:
Bins
PeregrineV
SnarkySnowman

TBD:
Cogito Ergo Sum
Davsto
zMuffinMan
Marquis


So that's narrowed down a bit.

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why are people reading cupcake as town?

gut for me. I know there's a reason for it, but I can't articulate it properly so the easiest way to convey my opinion is to slap [gut] on it.

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a snarky lynch just seems like a peace of mind lynch imo

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Pref is naturally PV but I really don't like the top wagons.

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VOTE: PV

Sucks that all of the wagons on the board are town in my mind but w/e. We live in sadtimes.

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VOTE: PV

Sucks that all of the wagons on the board are town in my mind but w/e. We live in sadtimes.

who are the scum again

Between {Cogito Ergo Sum, Davsto, zMuffinMan, Marquis}

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@Now pitch me your Cogie & Muffy thoughts. Preferably with graphs

It's PoE fam

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Started out as like a normal conversation (in which I actually defended her and left her some space to read the game) and devolved into a fight spanning 50 pages or so along with us mutually scum reading one another and we both flipped town. As the passion tapered off, we started interacting with each other a lot like you are now, basically using others to objectively read each other because whenever we directly spoke it was just nasty.

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Have you factored in that neither you nor mollie are Gork or hip? That strikes me as important.

This is pretty tru

you were scumreading both hiplop and i before you said this to some degree.
is one comparable event in one mafia game really realistic justification to townbin someone? especially since you at least havent played with me before.
why is your experience with mollie that one time a metric worth using on two totally different players?

I mean it's either TvT or scum distancing extremely hard.

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Guys Quilford is probably scum. I don't believe PV or hiplop are scum, they are pretty lame wagons and I don't want any part of either of them.

simple sentences pls why

why are people so hard to follow.

okay.

why is it not TvS.

I honestly never considered it I'll look over it and tell you why.

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fleeing makes this game so ugh

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if snarky flees would that indicate quil scum??

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is anyone townreading CES?

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is anyone townreading CES?

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disappointed I was wrong :/