The Third Fortnight (Game Over [Bonus Round])

[Gorkington]

i certainly think that for my townreads, the odds of them playing like they are as scum are low enough that i would actively accept losing if they were tricking me.

bulge and bins are a lot closer to gutreads than i would like but i cant really get around that given how much theyve been active so far.

is there any point in needlessly doubtcasting my own reads just because its possible that im wrong?
theres a difference between absolute certainty and having faith that my feelings about someone are right and trusting that.

i just feel like its a waste of time to sit here and pick at the nature of the setup and not try to make anything happen.

[zMuffinMan]

it wasn't meant to undermine your reads, per se (though i realised it might come across that way before you made that post)... im just wondering why you value the appearance of scum hunting when, really, making genuine-seeming posts as scum is one of the easiest things to do in mafia, and more so if your only real concern in a game is staying alive for one day and one night

do you think that if i were questioning people, pointing out things that seem alignment-indicative and putting forth solid arguments that make it seem like i believe what im saying that id be more town for it? or do you think you'd be able to discern something in the rhetoric id spew that is more likely to come from scum than town or vice versa? because, arrogant as it may sound, i don't think you could...

and this is something you can ponder about and question whether im likely to take a risk here... do you honestly think ill be around after today if im scum?

[Gorkington]

im just wondering why you value the appearance of scum hunting when, really, making genuine-seeming posts as scum is one of the easiest things to do in mafia, and more so if your only real concern in a game is staying alive for one day and one night

i think it does depend on the player more than anything.
i think for a lot of people, coming across genuinely as scum is a difficult task.

do you think that if i were questioning people, pointing out things that seem alignment-indicative and putting forth solid arguments that make it seem like i believe what im saying that id be more town for it? or do you think you'd be able to discern something in the rhetoric id spew that is more likely to come from scum than town or vice versa? because, arrogant as it may sound, i don't think you could...

i do tend to find it a little easier to pick and prod at people's reasoning when theyre actually invested in either trying to find scum or trying to pretend to find scum.
i dont think its arrogant of you to think that.
from what i know of you, youre a really great scum player.
i do think i would be more satisfied having lost to someone who was applying themselves as scum over someone who wasnt though, yknow?
like. if you are scum and you slipped between the cracks, thats so much less interesting to me than someone having tricked me and slipped into my townreads.

and this is something you can ponder about and question whether im likely to take a risk here... do you honestly think ill be around after today if im scum?

depends on who your hypothetical partner would be.

[Antihero]

if snarky's not scum, i'd probably pick kat as my shot

[JohnnyFarrar]

Can I ask why I've managed to stay at the top when I have basically lurked the last 200-ish posts, beyond one post about Snarky's activity?

Can't tell who you're asking but I've addressed this.

Can I ask why I've managed to stay at the top when I have basically lurked the last 200-ish posts, beyond one post about Snarky's activity?

Lurking is often a scum tell?

And Johnny, I thought my posts grossed you out. Why would you want me to post more?

Because I want to win. Was Hip a townread before your more recent catchup post?

if snarky's not scum, i'd probably pick kat as my shot

Are we doing a Snarky vote then? I'm down.

[JohnnyFarrar]

But seriously can you explain because I'm confused by this... Also which game?

I've seen you get angry like this before as town. Don't wanna bother with self meta rn

[KuroiXHF]

Not a strong town read, or probably not any town read.

[Antihero]

Are we doing a Snarky vote then? I'm down.

i am

[JohnnyFarrar]

Not a strong town read, or probably not any town read.

So you were getting all defensive for him on what? Principle? What was with you and him voting Vogue so quick?

Are we doing a Snarky vote then? I'm down.

i am

VOTE: Snarky why you change your read on me bro?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Not a strong town read, or probably not any town read.

So you were getting all defensive for him on what? Principle? What was with you and him voting Vogue so quick?

Are we doing a Snarky vote then? I'm down.

i am

VOTE: Snarky why you change your read on me bro?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Double post?

[Marquis]

VOTE: snarky yeah this isn't in my townlist anymore anyway so

reason: recent feelings from overly prolonged silly posting

[KuroiXHF]

When was I defensive

for

him?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Just checked, seems I was conflating your aversion to seemingly all wagons with a defense of hip. My apologies.

[KuroiXHF]

<3

[JohnnyFarrar]

Still what's with the jump on the Cogie vote?

[KuroiXHF]

Me? I voted Bins.

[JohnnyFarrar]

VOTE: CES

actually, good candidate for scum

Eh. I'm willing to follow Hiplop. Out of all the votes on the Bulge wagon, CES bothered me most.

VOTE: CES

Reference

[KuroiXHF]

I think I explained this in a later post, but CES' post appeared to be most disingenuous. Upon further review after that, I disliked Bins' play more but at my first read-through, I disliked CES. It wasn't more of what he did, but how he went about doing it. It seemed like he said it, but didn't mean it.

[zoraster]

Day 1

Bins ( 1 )

KuroiXHF

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(L - 8 )

hiplop ( 3 )

Gorkington

Quilford

Davsto

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(L - 6 )

KuroiXHF ( 1 )

PeregrineV

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(L - 8 )

Quilford ( 1 )

SnarkySnowman

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(L - 8 )

SnarkySnowman ( 3 )

Antihero

JohnnyFarrar

Marquis

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(L - 6 )

PeregrineV ( 4 )

The Bulge

zMuffinMan

Cogito Ergo Sum

hiplop

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(L - 5 )

The Bulge ( 1 )

Katsuki

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(L - 8 )

Not Voting ( 2 )

Bins Nosferatu

Total Votes ( 16 )

Needed to Lynch [ 9 ]

Deadline: May 8th at Noon EDT

[Quilford]

I'm not gonna lie, I am totally fixated on the Nosferatu slot right now. Reck was playing very underwhelmingly before he replaced out and now his replacement has done nothing in two days except mount and dismount an attack on a player with the weakest of evidence. There are only four and a half days until deadline; why do we know literally nothing about what you think of the remaining 14 players?

[zMuffinMan]

i do think i would be more satisfied having lost to someone who was applying themselves as scum over someone who wasnt though, yknow?

btw i wasnt insinuating something like "haha my scum game is impossible to discern from my town game" (i just think that on the inside when i mock you peasants, it's not something i'd openly say though), just that i don't think applying yourself to "scum hunting" is hard to do as scum and i think it is especially hard to discern the difference between scum rhetoric and town rhetoric like that when a player actually puts any sort of thought into what they write (i.e. has two brain cells). i acknowledge some people have difficulty with it but uh, looking at a post and thinking, "if i were town, what would i think about this?" isn't a difficult feat imo)

i think efforting can be nice but um, i don't think it's a standard by which you should be trying to determine alignment

i may or may not be saying this as justification to avoid efforting

*shrug*

this setup is odd in that, from my point of view, it doesn't really bother me whether or not you think i'm scum or town - either i find and lynch scum today, in which case yay, or i don't, in which case it doesn't matter in the least what you think of me as long as there aren't 5 people who believe i'm the most likely player to be scum

i suppose from the perspective of making as many people win as possible if we mislynch today, it's a good idea to look town? eh... tbh my primary objective here is

annoying antihero

being right and at some point i determined that efforting wouldn't change this as long as the information is already there and it's not like i'm posting

nothing

that can be read into maybe so meh

/rambling

[zMuffinMan]

depends on who your hypothetical partner would be.

no, not really

i mean, it depends on who my hypothetical partner is insofar as i might be in a predicament if theyre more likely to get votes than i am but if that's the case then, presumably, i'd be doing something to avoid getting votes, no?

unless you think i'm scum who's so confident that i'm not going to get any votes because i'm such a charming and likeable fellow (granted, i do think that, but still...)

[Nosferatu]

I'm not gonna lie, I am totally fixated on the Nosferatu slot right now. Reck was playing very underwhelmingly before he replaced out and now his replacement has done nothing in two days except mount and dismount an attack on a player with the weakest of evidence. There are only four and a half days until deadline; why do we know literally nothing about what you think of the remaining 14 players?

so once again, are there any back and forth's I should read or should I start at where bulge almost reached L-1. I already said I read up to 83 and then read gork in ISO. You shouldn't be asking this question when I've already given the answer.

[Antihero]

annoying antihero

ah, come on man YOU broke up with ME. you can't do that and then say shit like this