Pick Your Power 6: The Revival (Game Over!)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

On top of that, every time we get scum near hammer they self lynch to avoid discussion, katsuki is actually talking for once when he could lynch himself. This is not a good wagon and I disapprove.

Those two scum were caught by power roles.

There's a huge difference.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cephrir do you thikn Kats is scum?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like it has literally been 5 fucking days of me calling Creature scum.

He is fucking scum, I'm not budging today Pie.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I'm not a fan of this Katsuki wagon at all.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I've read Creature's ISO at least 2 or 3 times and I've been trying to ask a bunch of people in order to understand why they're reading his posts as forced, and I still have not had the same impression you have had about his posts being forced. all of the posts that people have pointed out to me (including what happened earlier) are posts that I can look at and think of an equally plausible reason that it'd be likely to come from town.

I can't help it if that's how I feel. unless there are specific things you want to point me to that I can look at, then we're at an impasse here.

did ICE say anything about Creature in your neighborhood, ftr?

Gah.

Tell me how to work with you. You're obvious, bordering on confirmed town here, but I don't want to compromise my read integrity by just sheeping you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Pie, how does the fact it's

100% confirmed that Katsuki put 100 on dayvig

change your opinion?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like I don't believe for a second Creature bid on day vig and that gives me huge pause to think he would fake claim that, ESPECIALLY given we're looking for someone with power roles who targetted MC to prevent his death?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like I showed you how he lied, and how he easily just kind of took the "eays way out"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What exactly was Spiffeh's claim? did he claim how he bid?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Pie, how does the fact it's

100% confirmed that Katsuki put 100 on dayvig

change your opinion?

Why would this change anything from that post?

I misread. I thought she was suggesting that Creature was more likely to be town as a result of their 100 Dayvig claim, so brought this up

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Pie, how does the fact it's

100% confirmed that Katsuki put 100 on dayvig

change your opinion?

it doesn't, at all.

the way I see it there are two possibilities for what happened: either hiplop legitimately put 100 on dayvig and Creature was unaware that a tie meant no one gets the ability (which I see as viable due to him replacing in), regardless of what his alignment is. or, Creature bid on some stuff that wasn't dayvig; the issue here is that he specifically noticed you softing a 100 dayvig bid to him, so why would he think he would even get away with claiming the same thing?

I really don't think he would just outright forget "derp, this person knows I didn't put 100 on dayvig, I shouldn't claim that". it could have happened, in theory, but I rarely see scum who are actually that careless (MURDERCAT in this game being like the one exception).

and yeah, Spiffeh claimed 100 on cop and that was it.

He only claimed it

After Katsuki claimed to put 100 on it

and also

with the knowledge that I didn't get it

so like, I dunno

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I want to lynch Creature.

Badly.

So badly.

So so so badly.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, give me Spiffeh today and I'll legit just flat-out give you Creature tomorrow. he literally just flat-out has no idea how to respond to this, so he's just kinda sorta pretending it doesn't exist. he did the same fucking thing earlier when I poked him over his D2 ICE read.

and ya, the key point is that he had the knowledge you had claimed a 100 dayvig bid; by extension, this would mean that he had the knowledge you would (in theory) know he didn't *actually* bid 100 on dayvig himself. am I wrong?

Flip this. I've gone 5 fucking days without a Creature lynch.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Flip this. I've gone 5 fucking days without a Creature lynch.

flip me??? or flip Spiffeh?

like I don't know what you want me to do. I'm basically in a similar position to you where I don't want to just give up and sheep a read I don't agree with, but we've had so opposed views this entire game and we have like the exact opposite play styles of each other. I thought that at least I could meet you halfway and trust your read on Katsuki for the time being. :/

I said flip your plan.

Give me Creature and I'll lynch whomever you want tomorrow.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Flip this. I've gone 5 fucking days without a Creature lynch.

flip me??? or flip Spiffeh?

like I don't know what you want me to do. I'm basically in a similar position to you where I don't want to just give up and sheep a read I don't agree with, but we've had so opposed views this entire game and we have like the exact opposite play styles of each other. I thought that at least I could meet you halfway and trust your read on Katsuki for the time being. :/

I said flip your plan.

Give me Creature and I'll lynch whomever you want tomorrow.

I read that how Pie did too tbh.

sorry, I wasn't clear.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

In my eyes it's 100% Creature and 80% Spiffeh so it's like wat do.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean, the order doesn't actually honestly matter...

I just have reservations based on how Spiffeh played the Cop and how it interacted with MC and GI's claims that make him a less good lynch than Creature for me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am really worried that someone is pulling one over on me, and there may exist some cases where we'd lose out on the benefit from Ceph's role if we don't hit scum correctly today.

if that really isn't OK, let me think about it a bit longer. (although I still think Spiffeh's last set of posts is basically a scum claim)

I mean, the other thing I want to ask you is: Given all the claimed roles we have, what ability is being hidden from us?

Like, what ability is unknown that either of them could have used?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don;t know if we can do that without outing Cephrir's stuff, but I'm doing the math in my head and it isn't working out how you are saying it is.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I believe I know what Cephrir's role is, and if I'm right about this, since I believe Spiffeh is like 99% chance scum, a compelling option would be for him to claim it such that IAI can role-doc him tonight; this would give him up to two nights where he could potentially action. Cephrir should know what I'm alluding to here if I'm right about this, so he can confirm/deny it or tell me I'm insane or whatever.

Yeach you're correct. I was thinking about WIFOMing tonight already.

You honestly should cause im pretty sure I know as well.

VOTE: spiffeh in other news.

well it's obvious that two roles are between pie and myself but it's not obvious which is which.

Like, I don't want to talk too much about this if we're not jsut doing a fullclaim, but I'm fairly certain I know what both of you have just based on things Pie said, so...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean, the other thing I want to ask you is: Given all the claimed roles we have, what ability is being hidden from us?

Like, what ability is unknown that either of them could have used?

I believe doc and double doc are out, still.

maybe we can look at it from this angle: would it be more likely that hiplop would spend 100 on dayvig while Spiffeh attempts to buy cop/doc (two roles that seem to fit together), regardless of whether he's town or scum hoping to stop town from getting them; or would it be more likely that hiplop would blow a bunch of points on doc roles? given what I know of hiplop, 100 on dayvig would make more sense, but I don't know if I am looking at this from the starting point of Spiffeh being the one who is scum here.

This is too sketchy.

It's simpler.

IAI has his role doc right?

As long as that is true, if we full claim, Scum have no safe shots, even in that case.

I think the time has come to full claim abilities and see what is where.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

the issue is more that the two remaining roles, which are split between Ceph and me, are roles that can clear a player when there is only one scum alive. in terms of keeping people alive, if mod answers yes to my question, all that needs to be done is for IAI to protect {Ceph, Tracker}, since he claimed Tracker A already.

ok, but this is true no matter if the scum know this or not, and the fact is they probably know EXACTLY what roles you have, given everything.

I need to be on the same page as you, today is the day for all to fullclaim, especially since I have concerns about what powers IAI is holding.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm fine with a massclaim iff Ceph is OK with it, ftr.

I'm also going to assume you used "iff" on purpose for the meaning of if and only if?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ye, if and only if. also, I am pretty sure scum have had no way of distinguishing how the two roles were split between us, since I'm pretty sure neither of us have so much as hinted at it, but that's beside the point.

If as you claim, scum have roles they've been hiding from us, the unclaimed ones would all belong to them, so they'd know exactly what is being planned?

Probably?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i thought about pulling a roleswap or some shit but im pretty sure it makes literally no difference as scum actions go, in either case it's a matter of outguessing me and/or iai

right?

Yeah, it is.

So with that in mind, I want everything claimed so if this DOES go terribly wrong, we don't fucking lose the game off some fucked up plan.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I want IAI to claim all his shit.

Ari/Katsuki/Me/Spiffeh/Hebi/Cephrir/Pie/Creature have all claimed everything

So it's just him.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

just so everyone's aware, I'm going to go ahead and say that I'd like the hammer today. I don't want to end the day right at this second or anything, I'm just saying this for whenever we lynch so that no one else hammers.

I got no issues with this.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I also had the double doc. 5 Roles in total.

Claim all please?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

for the curious,

Tracker A 34, Tracker B 34, Roleblocker A 11, Paranoid Vig 11, Ninja 6, Gunsmith 2, Doctor 1, Double Neighborizer A 1

So doc is the only role not claimed or thought to be tied at this point?

Anyone bid more than 1 on it?

I just did a search, and I think Magua claimed to have bid 5 on it. Let me grab it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think massclaim is super dumb. Claim information if it is useful, if it's not, don't.

That said, and still being hypocritical here, since it's not useful for me to hold this and I know I'm close to the chopping block for tomorrow, I'm claiming TSQ's bids in their entirety right here.

30 on Echo
30 on Day Vig (sigh)
15 on Auction Cop
10 on Watcher
10 on Cop (sigh)
5 on Doctor

TSQ submitted no action N1, so I had the Echo shot for N2, which I used on zMuffinMan, etc etc etc.

Since it's 99.9% that Murdercat is going to flip with Gunsmith, I am perversely looking forward to IAI's voting tomorrow if he tries to stick by his "last two scum will be vanilla" mindset.

Here you go.

So the question is this.

Did someone like Spiffeh bid something MORE than 13 on the cop (Muffin claimed 13 on cop) AND mroe than 5 on doc?

or is Creature a lying sack of shit and bid on a bunch of stuff but only won Doc.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

alternatively, did someone dead think the same as IAI and bid 5 on a bunch of shit, including doctor?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

but yeah, Doctor is the only role we cannot account for.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It can be Creature, dude. He clearly lied about his fucking claim.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

1) So either scum won the doc and used it on MC N3 OR

2) Another already claimed role was used on MC (or possibly ceph's RB on magua)

#1 does not make sense cause if scum won doc, why not claim it. It looks townie, could just pass it off as used N1


Which brings us to #2 which points to

Pie
Spiff
Hebi
Ceph
Me

If it's hebi that means it had to be the neighborizer supposedly used N1 with GI and LLD, so we would know LLD was hebis partner.

Pie is pretty confirmed town after N2 results

I believe ceph's claim and I know I'm town which means

Scum prob 100 point blocked town from getting cop

, pretended to use it N2 on the already caught GI, used it on MC N3 to force town to use a lynch on him instead D3.

Yeah it's gotta be spiffeh.

If scum bid 100 on cop then that means they got cop, given the claims.

If we believe Spiffeh's claim, his only ability is cop.

So either Spiffeh is lying

IAI is lying

Creature is lying.

that's about it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

IAI could easily have the doctor here btw. He had full claim info and could completely doctor (heh) his points so it all fit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Plus, auction copping Katsuki is like ???

so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

what night did you use auction cop on again, IAI?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hmmm that does change things. Could GI have bid 5 on doc?

Why would scum creature not claim doc over a 3rd 100 point day vig if scum got doc?

I still think we lynch spiffeh.

If we're lucky he flips scum with both the cop and doc and we can look for the last scum with all roles accounted for and possibly one more player cleared from ceph's night action.

If spiff is town I agree that ceph should not use his RB tonight but wait until the next night.

He claimed 100 Day Vig only AFTER Murder Cat had failed to die to Magua shot IIRC.

So he would know that claiming the doctor he used to save Magua would be fatal, right?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

what night did you use auction cop on again, IAI?

Night 3

Same night MC was supposed to be shot on?

So it's possible you claimed the auction cop result on someone with an obvious result and targetted MC?

Hmmm

[Lady Lambdadelta]

IAI could easily have the doctor here btw. He had full claim info and could completely doctor (heh) his points so it all fit.

If I won doc why would I not claim it as scum lol?

Because right now the Doctor claim is a scum claim, basically. SOMEONE stopped that kill on MC on Night 3.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like pie, my top two scum reads are still Creature and IAI.

and I have two fucking compelling arguments for lynching either of them.

And you want me to lynch the dude whose intent with the cop action doesn't match the intent that GI and MC had with their claims?

Like.... try and see what I see.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

IAI used action cop on N3. that's a large part of why I'm mostly not worried about him as being the person who saved MURDERCAT N3, even discounting my town read on him.

you realize he claimed to use that the very night that it happened, on a target that literally everyone in the game knew had bid 100 on day vig?

like.... come on....

[Lady Lambdadelta]

IAI could easily have the doctor here btw. He had full claim info and could completely doctor (heh) his points so it all fit.

If I won doc why would I not claim it as scum lol?

Because right now the Doctor claim is a scum claim, basically. SOMEONE stopped that kill on MC on Night 3.

You continue to discount the fact that scum spiffeh would not have used a cop investigation on GI N2 therefore would have used it N3 on MC

You also discount the fact that if he flips with both the cop and doc that throws your case on creatuure out the window

what?

No seriously what are you saying here?

Like, WHAT?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like I'm genuinely confused.

Are you sayign that Spiffeh... won the cop, didn;t use it night 2 on GI, and instead used it night 3 on MC

Like.... what?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Pie, maybe I'm so far in the fucking tunnel that I can't see shit but you have to see this shit right now.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

IAI used action cop on N3. that's a large part of why I'm mostly not worried about him as being the person who saved MURDERCAT N3, even discounting my town read on him.

you realize he claimed to use that the very night that it happened, on a target that literally everyone in the game knew had bid 100 on day vig?

like.... come on....

2 people commented on it u and Kuribo.

I investigated him cause he gave no reads and his actions during the muffin vs GI fight, he was in the group that bull headedly sided with GI.

Look at how I started D4 and tell me that doesn't read as town who just auctioned copped kats. Like for real?

You may know kats but I don't. For someone who has a best town performance to his name I'm not seeing it and to me he was the best target to get some info on N3

PIE ARE YOU SERIOUSLY GOING TO CALL THIS SHIT TOWN?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Screw you

Eat a dick, you useless sack of scummy shit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like I actually have the exact opposite impression of the cop claim you seem to have, so I'd like if you could walk me through this.

Aight, so listen to this, ok?

The thread opens, you claim to have watched GI and MC and MAgua viist Muffin.

GI makes an awful claim, but one that could be argued to be believable from a dejected player point of view.

MC then claims ONE OF GI'S ABILITIES.

Now, think about that: Why would MC claim one of GI's abilities? If we lynch GI, MC is automatically fucked, even if MC hadn't fucked up his claim.

In this case, if the plan was for Spiffeh to fake claim a guilty on someone, who would you do at this point?

GI, the one with all the abilities?

or MC, the one who dies if GI dies and has no abilities?

You'd fucking bus MC into the ground and lynch him first wiht the cop claim.

But instead, he drives the hammer in the coffin hom, GUARANTEEING there's NO CHANCE GI gets away from this.

Which ALSO means MC never lives either.

So think about it: MC's claim HAS to come from a place of wanting to live, right? there's no reason he'd attach himself to GI like that.

Especially where he was town read otherwise.

So I just don't see the continuity in motivations between those 3 players.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like I actually legitimately think Spiffeh saving the cop shot and using it for the express purpose of saving MURDERCAT N3 makes a shitton of sense.

you are thinking in bad logic.

How would Spiffeh know to save the cop shot to protect MC from a paranoid vig on night 2, BEFORE MC was caught by your watcher result?

Like.... ???

This is assuming Spiffeh is scum with them.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like, the order of events of the shit that you are describing DOES NOT MAKE SENSE for the case you are putting forward.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

you don't fucking offer, you are told.

If you don't do it you're confirmed scum.

yet again, how is this betraying any "choice" on your behalf?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like I actually have the exact opposite impression of the cop claim you seem to have, so I'd like if you could walk me through this.

Aight, so listen to this, ok?

The thread opens, you claim to have watched GI and MC and MAgua viist Muffin.

GI makes an awful claim, but one that could be argued to be believable from a dejected player point of view.

MC then claims ONE OF GI'S ABILITIES.

Now, think about that: Why would MC claim one of GI's abilities? If we lynch GI, MC is automatically fucked, even if MC hadn't fucked up his claim.

In this case, if the plan was for Spiffeh to fake claim a guilty on someone, who would you do at this point?

GI, the one with all the abilities?

or MC, the one who dies if GI dies and has no abilities?

You'd fucking bus MC into the ground and lynch him first wiht the cop claim.

But instead, he drives the hammer in the coffin hom, GUARANTEEING there's NO CHANCE GI gets away from this.

Which ALSO means MC never lives either.

So think about it: MC's claim HAS to come from a place of wanting to live, right? there's no reason he'd attach himself to GI like that.

Especially where he was town read otherwise.

So I just don't see the continuity in motivations between those 3 players.

Oh and don't forget:

Spiffeh claimed his guilty on GI BEFORE MC claimed his ability IIRC.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I honestly don't give a fuck what you think, you walking talking trash can.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Pie, this is your town so like, you have the reigns. If you read all this shit and still come to the conclusion it's spiffeh over Creature and/or IAI, be my guest.

If you're wrong though, it's creature AND IAI next, no excuses no substitutes.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If spiffeh flips scum with cop and doc, ur next LLD

yeah ok buddy, dream on.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lmfao did you just quote a bunch of random VCs, and fake doing VCA?

dude I'm so fucking tired of your shit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh and don't forget:

Spiffeh claimed his guilty on GI BEFORE MC claimed his ability IIRC.

LLD, I don't think MURDERCAT claiming one of ICE's abilities was intentional, or planned by scum. I think that actually was just a hard scum slip on his part.

your entire angle here is that, due to MURDERCAT claiming one of ICE's abilities, Spiffeh would bus him instead of ICE. however, if Spiffeh claimed the result before MURDERCAT claimed, and if I'm right that it was just a hard scum slip, there's your answer: the whole clusterfuck with MURDERCAT happened accidentally.

and as for the auction cop result, I really am not seeing your assumption that Katsuki bidding 100 on dayvig would be "obvious". it wasn't obvious to me and I at least have played a few games with Katsuki, even though it isn't much, and I don't recall IAI and Katsuki having any sort of history with each other, whatsoever (if I'm wrong on this correct me). given I didn't see it, I really don't think it's unreasonable that he wouldn't have seen it either.

I'll think things over again but ugh, I really don't know if I see myself coming to a different conclusion and it's like 5 AM and I need sleep. I'll be back tomorrow.

You're forgetting who was on the scum team, Pie.

GREYICE KNOWS KATSUKI LIKE I KNOW KATSUKI.

He easily would have been able to tell scum!IAI that Katsuki had bid that previously.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

also, maybe I have too much confidence in the ability of MC to not be stupid and bad, given how he fucked up his claim, but I just don't get why he'd claim one of GI's abilities.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm going to try and sleep too.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why are you pushing me so hard today? If I die ceph does tonight right?

More scum points LLD

Where is my vote, asshole?

Where is my fucking vote?

The ONLY reason you're alive is so that you can be leashed to make this Cephrir plan work.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

and if you think something like that is going to get you off scot free from being suspected then you have another fucking thing coming.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Keep flailing

Oh look, another buzzword from asshole mcdouchenozzle

[Lady Lambdadelta]

oh and I suppose making sexual innuendos about women makes you feel fuckin powerful does it asshole?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

you realize there's 2 people in this game who cannot stand your fucking guts now?

Like I couldn't understand why Cephrir hated you so damn much.

Now I fucking like, totally get it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like I'm out, I don't give a fuck anymore, lynch whoever.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No LLD it doesn't, just a harmless joke. I hope ur name calling is also.

This is just a game peeps have fun! There is no million dollars at stake if u win lol

Telling my boyfriend that you "bent me over" and implying you fucked me is such a funny joke dude.

It was a prank dude! it was all a prank!

Go fuck yourself, asshole.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm pretty sure ur bf knows I didn't have sex with u

Pretty sure that's SO NOT THE FUCKING POINT.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING

[Lady Lambdadelta]

whatever, it doesn't matter, I'm fighting with someone who doesn't give a shit and thinks it's funny to sadsfgheea:JBLHkvdsf'sz

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Aristo the paranoid vig was coming after MC N2 from magua. If MC is targeted by any role the paranoid vig wouldn't work on him.

OH!
Okay, thanks!

Except that order of events w'og;bfafa';gbafs'f;gbs;b'
dfz

DON'T CARE DOESN'T MATTER LET'S FUCKING LYNCH TOWN.

I'D VOTE SPIFFEH RIGHT FUCKING NOW IF I DIDN'T PROMISE THAT PIE COULD HAMMER.

WHO GIVES A SHIT

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This page... :S

Maybe we should all take a step away for a bit. This day isn't going anywhere.

NAH MAN LET'S REALLY MAKE THIS GAME FUN.

APPARENTLY PEOPLE NEED TO BE PUT ON EDGE TO FUCKING BE READ SO LET'S GO, EVERYONE ON EDGE ARE YOU READY TIME TO MAKE THIS GAME EXTRA FUN FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED

[Lady Lambdadelta]

U think its funny to name call me over and over and tell me to

perform homosexual acts?

what in the unholy fuck....

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ok, I want to lynch Spiffeh.

if I end up being wrong and he's town and Creature is the one who is scum here, then I'll owe LLD a few sheeps.

Your will, my blade.

Vote: Spiffeh

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Creature

I really hope Ceph read my mind last night and targeted no one.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

hebi how do you feel about LLD now

Just wanna say I'm basically conf. town.

Given how I claimed my bid in thread, it means I MUST have no abilities.

And given Spiffeh flipped without the missing doc ???????

Like, it has to be someone who could have stopped the kill on MC.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, to my mind Ari is p. much conf town too. As is Katsuki, who

is auction cop confirmed to have bid on Day vig 100

and I'm not lynching Hebi, because her claims make sense to me and I think she's town.

So the only people who could be holding the missing doctor and/or have stopped the vig shot on MC are Ceph, IAI.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh hm. It's true there do seem to be those docs missing. IAI, you don't have those, do you?

I asked IAI about this the other day.

He told me he had the double doc, but not the single doc.

So there's one missing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is there any possible explanation other than the doc? I'm wondering if perhaps doc wasn't in the game at all (I bid 1 on it I think, maybe I wasn't the only one to do that)

Nope, because Magua bid 5 on it.

And he didn't get it.

So all the people who claimed couldn't beat Magua, supposedly.

So either a dead player tied him (something I discussed earlier) or someone alive beat him (the other thing).

But it doesn't MATTER if it exists or not. SOMEONE blocked that shot! So.... ?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

and I'm not lynching Hebi, because her claims make sense to me and I think she's town.

I've been on this train the entire game, but... what if Grey coached her to do exactly what she did?

It would be a Keith move to get her to buy neighbourizers (sicne they're confirmed ablities and give you a bunch of town cred) and then Snow me in by having both of them join a QT with me.

I dunno, I have a STRONG gut read, but it's not impossible.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: IAI

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What seems more likely?

Spiffeh was concerned about a Echo'd Paranoid vig for N3 that he could never have known would happen?

OR

Spiffeh was worried about being tracked or watched and ACTUALLY USED the ability on Night 2 so he could claim it Day 3?

I wonderrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The watcher was used Night 2. How would scum know it's gone that night?

LMFAO

Your arguments DELIBERATELY ignore the sequence of events. Constantly!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Man, and I thought Murdercat was town, too.

Dayvig works as soon as the mod sees it.

GreyICE is more likely to have an ability, since I fully believe that Murdercat did use Gunsmith on zMuffinMan N1, whereas GreyICE is still likely to have a Vanilla Vig.

Yeah scum had no idea where the paranoid vig was going N3 lol

THAT HAPPENED AFTER NIGHT 2.

SO HOW WOULD SPIFFEH HAVE KNOWN TO SAVE IT FOR AN ACTION HE COULDN'T HAVE KNOWN WOULD EXIST, SINCE ECHO COPIES A ROLE.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

YOU AREN'T ADDRESSING THE FACT THAT THE ORDER OF EVENTS YOU ARE SUGGESTING DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well here is my thinking, if the unclaimed doc is scum it cant be lld. She was the first to claim bidding 100 on dayvig, which was confirmed by two others.

Iai is either being very bad here or outright lying, not sure which yet.

I dont believe there were a bunch of one point bids on doctor.

Well here's the thing.

Immediately after I post my theory about one of IAI and Ceph being the last scum, he comes in a posts a huge theory based on shaky logic that supposedly "Clears" exactly those two people!

Not surprising because if people agreed with my plan, and he is scum, he would HAVE to do this, in order to get 2 mislynches.

I don't think his direct opposition of me here is accidental or just coincidence. I think he's playing to survive.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well here is my thinking, if the unclaimed doc is scum it cant be lld. She was the first to claim bidding 100 on dayvig, which was confirmed by two others.

Iai is either being very bad here or outright lying, not sure which yet.

I dont believe there were a bunch of one point bids on doctor.

Well here's the thing.

Immediately after I post my theory about one of IAI and Ceph being the last scum, he comes in a posts a huge theory based on shaky logic that supposedly "Clears" exactly those two people!

Not surprising because if people agreed with my plan, and he is scum, he would HAVE to do this, in order to get 2 mislynches.

I don't think his direct opposition of me here is accidental or just coincidence. I think he's playing to survive.

Nor is it coincidental that pie died when she wanted you and kats to be the last 2 lynches right?

Keep scum mind it up lol

Pie was literal confirmed town, lmfao. There's no way scum would let her live.

This is flailing. So much flailing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Please vote this fucking scumbag.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey LLscumD, why didn't MC claim Auction Cop D3 if he was my teammate????

Hebi and LLD answer this please

LLD continues to ignore this lol

So you could try and use it to frame someone the next day, and MC fucked up his claim badly?

Because you REALLY tried to use that shit to lynch Katsuki.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Who do you think is scum, Hebi?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Please vote this fucking scumbag.

I'm sure I will, but I wanna read this day and won't have time until the morning.

Ninja'd
How the hell do you people post this much!?!?

Anger. So much blood fueled rage.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You are literally grasping at straws to avoid being lynched today.

I think this is the game winning play here.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Look at that AtE tone shift towards Cephrir once you need his vote to stay alive, you scum fuck.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't want to expend the mental energy to follow it and I'm having a shitty day to begin with.

Then my advice is take a day off from this game, and come back to read this shit when you're feeling a little better?

Or just vote IAI.

Either one works.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD was on creature for the first 3 votes that day

Then muffin for all but the last vote count

Which she finished on rm

How many times did she vote flipped scum and vice versa

Yeha except my vote progressions that day make sense from a town perspective.

and yours don't.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

One thing that bothers me is that I think LLD was the most likely to no-kill (i.e. play optimally, arguably -- the only other good option is shooting me, but if LLD is scum then I believe her plan is to mislynch me, so...), and I didn't like her post yesterday to the effect of hoping I had not used my ability

Why didn't you like it?

I was hoping you would realise basically everyone would no kill in that spot, and not use it.

I even said as much to Claire in the neighbourhood chat that day, talking about what I thought would happen and deliberately keeping my thoughts out of thread so it owuldn't influence scum's choices.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

One thing that bothers me is that I think LLD was the most likely to no-kill (i.e. play optimally, arguably -- the only other good option is shooting me, but if LLD is scum then I believe her plan is to mislynch me, so...), and I didn't like her post yesterday to the effect of hoping I had not used my ability

She kept talking to me about the possibility ofva no kill the night before.

I dont like iais claim of using the role doc that night though, he could have used it earlier to save mc as well.

On llds side, shes been feeding me weird lines in neighborhood a lot. So really, my being stuck between the two.

What exactly has been weird about my posts there?

I've been basically putting anything that comes off the top of my head there, so we can discuss it, since you're a town read of mine.

You just don't seem to want to respond or engage which makes me sad.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I fully admit to being a bad neighbour, ebcause I usually keep my thoguhts to myself.

But this game I've been making an effort to not do that, because I have such a strong town read on you, for your bid, for your night action choices and for your day play.

So like, you're the wall I'm bouncing ideas off of.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So it's Paranoia. I get it.

Like, that's just who I am as a player town or scum. I want to control and lead things. You've seen how I play as town, bossing poeple around and dominating the table, so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

One thing that bothers me is that I think LLD was the most likely to no-kill (i.e. play optimally, arguably -- the only other good option is shooting me, but if LLD is scum then I believe her plan is to mislynch me, so...), and I didn't like her post yesterday to the effect of hoping I had not used my ability

Why didn't you like it?

I was hoping you would realise basically everyone would no kill in that spot, and not use it.

I even said as much to Claire in the neighbourhood chat that day, talking about what I thought would happen and deliberately keeping my thoughts out of thread so it owuldn't influence scum's choices.

I don't necessarily expect good play from everyone in this game.

What about from Spiffeh?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

UNLESS YOU BELIEVE THE FOLLOWING IS TRUE, THE LAST SCUM CANNOT BE VANILLA:

Spiffeh knew that Magua would target Muffin with his Echo (never claimed) on Night 2, and there for saved his ability to prevent a paranoid vig shot from hitting a player.
Spiffeh knew Muffin would use his Paranoid Vig that night, and not his

Claimed Self Doctor

which to my mind is an assumption I think scum made given the Role block on Muffin that night.
Spiffeh knew No one would track or watch him that night, so he could SAFELY CLAIM to have TARGETTED GREYICE. He would have had to have known this BEFORE the day started, because that would be when he made the decision to use his ability.
Spiffer knew MurderCat would botch his claim in such a way that would make him an attractive vig target.
Further, Spiffeh knew both his partners would be caught that day as confirmed scum, thus creating the NEED for him to protect them with an ability.

This is a series of unlikely events, at which if any ONE of them is untrue, Spiffeh would just use his cop ability that night, and he's the kicker.

Spiffeh was scum and he used his ability on scum.

Wanna bet what would happen if Pie hadn't watched pie?

Muffin flips town, the town gathers its pitchforks to lynch Grey!Scum....

Spiffeh: "I have a cop innocent on GreyICE!"

And you bet your ass they wouldn't risk that kind of plan with the chance of GreyICE being watched or Spiffeh being tracked and thus revealing two people.

One more piece of evidence: Spiffeh didn't post his cop until very late in the day. I wonder if perhaps he waited to see if there were any incriminating claims before choosing what he did, and once Pie posted her thing, he switched it up and claimed the guilty for town cred.

But most importantly, all this evidence points to just one thing:

Only someone with an ability can be scum.

Which means it can only be Hebi, Ceph or IAI.

And I know Hebi isn't scum based on how things have played this game.

So we lynch IAI and we probably just win.

That simple.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

In all honesty I sorta want to pullva pie here and call the hammer vote, I still feel comfortable with an iai vote here, but id rather see a bit more from anywhere, so aris either agree and vite or tell me you want hammer.

This is fine by me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey LLscumD, why didn't MC claim Auction Cop D3 if he was my teammate????

and for good measure.

Why didnt mc vlaim cop or something, cause mc didnt want gi to die.

when I flip town, and lld/kats flips or endgames as the last scum, and spiffeh admits he used the cop on MC N3, will you finally admit I was right and that your play sucked this game?

LLD same question to you assuming you're not the last scum.

If by some ungodly act of miracles Spiffeh managed to do exactly what I outlined, I'm giving him a fucking award for it, like a scummy for "most mutant player who can read the minds of others because they're a fucking mutant".

But that's never happening, thank Bastet, so~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I still don't get the rationale.

The only chance he took was with the trackers, which there were only two and the chance they used them N2 or N3 on a universally town read player was small. For N3 def worth the risk of saving his teammate/forcing town to waste a lynch on him instead.

He had no reason to use his investigation before N3. He lucked into having it to save MC

He had EVERY reason to use it night 2, as I explained.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

UNLESS YOU BELIEVE THE FOLLOWING IS TRUE, THE LAST SCUM CANNOT BE VANILLA:

Spiffeh knew that Magua would target Muffin with his Echo (never claimed) on Night 2, and there for saved his ability to prevent a paranoid vig shot from hitting a player.
Spiffeh knew Muffin would use his Paranoid Vig that night, and not his

Claimed Self Doctor

which to my mind is an assumption I think scum made given the Role block on Muffin that night.
Spiffeh knew No one would track or watch him that night, so he could SAFELY CLAIM to have TARGETTED GREYICE. He would have had to have known this BEFORE the day started, because that would be when he made the decision to use his ability.
Spiffer knew MurderCat would botch his claim in such a way that would make him an attractive vig target.
Further, Spiffeh knew both his partners would be caught that day as confirmed scum, thus creating the NEED for him to protect them with an ability.

This is a series of unlikely events, at which if any ONE of them is untrue, Spiffeh would just use his cop ability that night, and he's the kicker.

Spiffeh was scum and he used his ability on scum.

Wanna bet what would happen if Pie hadn't watched pie?

Muffin flips town, the town gathers its pitchforks to lynch Grey!Scum....

Spiffeh: "I have a cop innocent on GreyICE!"

And you bet your ass they wouldn't risk that kind of plan with the chance of GreyICE being watched or Spiffeh being tracked and thus revealing two people.

One more piece of evidence: Spiffeh didn't post his cop until very late in the day. I wonder if perhaps he waited to see if there were any incriminating claims before choosing what he did, and once Pie posted her thing, he switched it up and claimed the guilty for town cred.

But most importantly, all this evidence points to just one thing:

Only someone with an ability can be scum.

Which means it can only be Hebi, Ceph or IAI.

And I know Hebi isn't scum based on how things have played this game.

So we lynch IAI and we probably just win.

That simple.

I take issue with this. Spiffeh didn't have to know all of those things -- all he had to do was not use his cop ability as claimed, which who knows whether or not he might have done that or why. He also didn't claim it until the watcher was out -- so he was only betting that he had not been tracked on night 2, which seems well within reason.

Then ask yourself this: If he DIDN'T USE IT THAT NIGHT, WHY WOULD HE CLAIM A GUILTY ON GREYICE (effectively pointless) instead of waiting for a time at which he was in more danger and could use it to fake a guilty OR clear his last partner?

The train of logic makes no fucking sense, and the idea that he lucked into whatever the fuck you are claiming happened, is beyond the realm of how a player like Spiffeh would play in almost all circumstances.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

UNLESS YOU BELIEVE THE FOLLOWING IS TRUE, THE LAST SCUM CANNOT BE VANILLA:

Spiffeh knew that Magua would target Muffin with his Echo (never claimed) on Night 2, and there for saved his ability to prevent a paranoid vig shot from hitting a player.
Spiffeh knew Muffin would use his Paranoid Vig that night, and not his

Claimed Self Doctor

which to my mind is an assumption I think scum made given the Role block on Muffin that night.
Spiffeh knew No one would track or watch him that night, so he could SAFELY CLAIM to have TARGETTED GREYICE. He would have had to have known this BEFORE the day started, because that would be when he made the decision to use his ability.
Spiffer knew MurderCat would botch his claim in such a way that would make him an attractive vig target.
Further, Spiffeh knew both his partners would be caught that day as confirmed scum, thus creating the NEED for him to protect them with an ability.

This is a series of unlikely events, at which if any ONE of them is untrue, Spiffeh would just use his cop ability that night, and he's the kicker.

Spiffeh was scum and he used his ability on scum.

Wanna bet what would happen if Pie hadn't watched pie?

Muffin flips town, the town gathers its pitchforks to lynch Grey!Scum....

Spiffeh: "I have a cop innocent on GreyICE!"

And you bet your ass they wouldn't risk that kind of plan with the chance of GreyICE being watched or Spiffeh being tracked and thus revealing two people.

One more piece of evidence: Spiffeh didn't post his cop until very late in the day. I wonder if perhaps he waited to see if there were any incriminating claims before choosing what he did, and once Pie posted her thing, he switched it up and claimed the guilty for town cred.

But most importantly, all this evidence points to just one thing:

Only someone with an ability can be scum.

Which means it can only be Hebi, Ceph or IAI.

And I know Hebi isn't scum based on how things have played this game.

So we lynch IAI and we probably just win.

That simple.

I take issue with this. Spiffeh didn't have to know all of those things -- all he had to do was not use his cop ability as claimed, which who knows whether or not he might have done that or why. He also didn't claim it until the watcher was out -- so he was only betting that he had not been tracked on night 2, which seems well within reason.

Then ask yourself this: If he DIDN'T USE IT THAT NIGHT, WHY WOULD HE CLAIM A GUILTY ON GREYICE (effectively pointless) instead of waiting for a time at which he was in more danger and could use it to fake a guilty OR clear his last partner?

The train of logic makes no fucking sense, and the idea that he lucked into whatever the fuck you are claiming happened, is beyond the realm of how a player like Spiffeh would play in almost all circumstances.

Spiffeh day 6 "I got a inno on so and so N5"

Town "ummm why did you wait so long to use it"

Spiffeh "ummmmm I don't know"

Town "n2 would have been a good time you know to figure out that whole GI muffin debate...u must be lying scum"

so what you're saying is that he would have used it night 2 for town cred, right?

Because that would have been his thought process, right?

So he would have actually used it, because he couldn't have known to save it?

It's one or the other you don't get both.

He either used it with the plan to use it, or he didn't use it so he could save it.

You can't use the argument there both ways, lmfao.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nobody has still answered the key 2 questions

Why if I'm MCs teammate did he not claim auction cop

Why if I'm the last scum did I kill pie instead of hebi

Neither add up to me being scum.

1) Why didn't he claim ACTUAL cop, and have Spiffeh jsut claim to be yet another person who bid 100 on something. It's clear at this point MC shagged his claim and so your argument here is invalid.

2) Probably so you could make this exact argument? Pie was super obvious town was never being mislynched, so like, this whole idea is pure WIFOM.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What you are trying to argue still just doesn't make sense fro order of events.

But you already know that.

Ari, Hebi, can we please just lynch this fuck? I'm getting tired of explaining the SAME FUCKING LOGIC over and over again to someone who is clearly scum and just trying to subvert it with any lie they can find.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey LLD do you usually use a cop on someone you find town or scum lol.

Irrelevant, he was scum so I assume he'd use his cop however he could best do so to generate town cred.

Which is to target GI and see what the day unfolds, imo

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is a waste of time you're not actually reading what I'm saying and I can't expect you to respond reasonably because you're just scum here so someone, please, come lynch this fuck with me.

PLEASE.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Cephrir

It was already confirmed by the logic yesterday, but in case anyone ever needed a reason, the vote + "why is Ari town again?" should tell you all you need to know about Ceph's alignment here.

And Ari, why would we NL?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Things that are still true:

Someone with an ability prevented MC from dying at night.

MC dying at night would have given us an extra mislynch to work with.

So basically only scum would ever prevent this.

MC had no ability to target himself.

GreyICE was already dead.

So either Spiffeh some how saved his cop with some miraculous amount of Foresight.

Or that missing doctor we've been talking about is hidden with Cephrir and Cephrir is the only one who could have targetted MC that night.

Because I'm confirmed not to have an ability by being the first to claim in thread not only that I had bid 100 on dayvig, but that "dayvig does not exist in this game". A piece of information I could ONLY glean if I had bid 100 on day vig.

Ari is confirmed not to have an ability because no one but House and Ari claimed a bid on strongman and House flipped Vanilla townie, meaning Ari is telling the truth about his bid there.

Katsuki is confirmed to have no ability because the Auction Cop confirmed Katsuki bid 100 on Dayvig, which is a confirmed no ability bid.

Meaning you have two options here folks:

a) Magical Christmas land where nothing makes sense and Spiffeh did all the things we talked about yesterday to somehow block the kill, which is basically nigh impossible as I explained.

or

b) Cephrir is scum because Cephrir is the only one remaining who could have stopped the kill on MurderCat.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't know why you're wrong but somehow I feel like if Pie were alive she would be able to figure it out.

Town could have prevented mcs death accidentally I guess since they didn't know magua was going to vig him

????

MAGUA CLAIMED HE WAS GOING TO USE HIS PARANOID VIG ON MC.

IT WAS PUBLIC INFO.

THAT'S WHY IAI SHOT HIM THE FOLLOWING NIGHT.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ok well some of us don't have to pay careful attention to everything because we're town

Whatever I'm sure you'll probably succeed in ramming this down their throats bc I have no charisma

This is the fakest shit, lmfao.

"Oh well I didn't read the thread so I obviously didn't do it!"

LMFAO

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's great.

I'd like it if you could spare me the gloating, but I'm sure that's too much to ask for. I know, you won, great job.

I will give you credit for still trying, albeit trying badly?

Like, there's no gloating here. You're scum, you got caught by Game Mechanics that PIE HERSELF used to lynch Spiffeh correctly.

It's just kind of a wrap. There's nothing really more to say. It cannot be anyone else.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah ok slam dunk I'm totally scum gj.

Not sure if legit or just giving up...

However, I agree with LLD. We're basically set here by all reasoning I see.

The NL was because it can be optimal Mylo play, and I wanted a feel for what people thought before rushing in to things.

I don't see a reason to delay this any further, it's a solved game at this point.

I'm concerned that if we NL Cephrir will kill me and convince one of you two to vote for the other in lylo, so I would prefer to just end this while I am still alive.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean, your death would be the nail in his coffin. I'd expect my own death tbh.

Maybe? I'm not willing it to leave it in someone elses hands though, so I'd like to end this today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Katsuki, the hammer is yours. Let's end this shit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

you know


THERE DIDNT NEED


TO BE


A FUCKING DOC


TO STOP

A PARANOID VIG

Right but regardless of the doc, someone with abilities needed to.

And We had poeple who had no abilities so....

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Kuribo:

I actually WAS laughing at Steven Colbert when Claire said that so >.>b

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, MAGUA WHY.

WHY MAGUA WHY.

WHY LIE GUY.

GUY LIE DIE.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

also I encourage everyone to read the neighbourhood QTs

For maximum hilarity

[Lady Lambdadelta]

taking all the fun away from me