He had EVERY reason to use it night 2, as I explained.In post 3472, I Am Innocent wrote:I still don't get the rationale.
The only chance he took was with the trackers, which there were only two and the chance they used them N2 or N3 on a universally town read player was small. For N3 def worth the risk of saving his teammate/forcing town to waste a lynch on him instead.
He had no reason to use his investigation before N3. He lucked into having it to save MC
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Game would have been so easy if we followed pies lynch list. U know the same pie that I supposedly killed last night over hebi despite her town read on meShowTown 21-21-1
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So he could cop inno him, thus being an auto lynch himself once GI flipped later?In post 3475, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
He had EVERY reason to use it night 2, as I explained.In post 3472, I Am Innocent wrote:I still don't get the rationale.
The only chance he took was with the trackers, which there were only two and the chance they used them N2 or N3 on a universally town read player was small. For N3 def worth the risk of saving his teammate/forcing town to waste a lynch on him instead.
He had no reason to use his investigation before N3. He lucked into having it to save MCShowTown 21-21-1
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I take issue with this. Spiffeh didn't have to know all of those things -- all he had to do was not use his cop ability as claimed, which who knows whether or not he might have done that or why. He also didn't claim it until the watcher was out -- so he was only betting that he had not been tracked on night 2, which seems well within reason.In post 3466, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:UNLESS YOU BELIEVE THE FOLLOWING IS TRUE, THE LAST SCUM CANNOT BE VANILLA:
Spiffeh knew that Magua would target Muffin with his Echo (never claimed) on Night 2, and there for saved his ability to prevent a paranoid vig shot from hitting a player.
Spiffeh knew Muffin would use his Paranoid Vig that night, and not hisClaimed Self Doctorwhich to my mind is an assumption I think scum made given the Role block on Muffin that night.
Spiffeh knew No one would track or watch him that night, so he could SAFELY CLAIM to have TARGETTED GREYICE. He would have had to have known this BEFORE the day started, because that would be when he made the decision to use his ability.
Spiffer knew MurderCat would botch his claim in such a way that would make him an attractive vig target.
Further, Spiffeh knew both his partners would be caught that day as confirmed scum, thus creating the NEED for him to protect them with an ability.
This is a series of unlikely events, at which if any ONE of them is untrue, Spiffeh would just use his cop ability that night, and he's the kicker.
Spiffeh was scum and he used his ability on scum.
Wanna bet what would happen if Pie hadn't watched pie?
Muffin flips town, the town gathers its pitchforks to lynch Grey!Scum....
Spiffeh: "I have a cop innocent on GreyICE!"
And you bet your ass they wouldn't risk that kind of plan with the chance of GreyICE being watched or Spiffeh being tracked and thus revealing two people.
One more piece of evidence: Spiffeh didn't post his cop until very late in the day. I wonder if perhaps he waited to see if there were any incriminating claims before choosing what he did, and once Pie posted her thing, he switched it up and claimed the guilty for town cred.
But most importantly, all this evidence points to just one thing:
Only someone with an ability can be scum.
Which means it can only be Hebi, Ceph or IAI.
And I know Hebi isn't scum based on how things have played this game.
So we lynch IAI and we probably just win.
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Just on the off chance somebody watched GI or tracked spiffeh lol.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Then ask yourself this: If he DIDN'T USE IT THAT NIGHT, WHY WOULD HE CLAIM A GUILTY ON GREYICE (effectively pointless) instead of waiting for a time at which he was in more danger and could use it to fake a guilty OR clear his last partner?In post 3478, Cephrir wrote:
I take issue with this. Spiffeh didn't have to know all of those things -- all he had to do was not use his cop ability as claimed, which who knows whether or not he might have done that or why. He also didn't claim it until the watcher was out -- so he was only betting that he had not been tracked on night 2, which seems well within reason.In post 3466, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:UNLESS YOU BELIEVE THE FOLLOWING IS TRUE, THE LAST SCUM CANNOT BE VANILLA:
Spiffeh knew that Magua would target Muffin with his Echo (never claimed) on Night 2, and there for saved his ability to prevent a paranoid vig shot from hitting a player.
Spiffeh knew Muffin would use his Paranoid Vig that night, and not hisClaimed Self Doctorwhich to my mind is an assumption I think scum made given the Role block on Muffin that night.
Spiffeh knew No one would track or watch him that night, so he could SAFELY CLAIM to have TARGETTED GREYICE. He would have had to have known this BEFORE the day started, because that would be when he made the decision to use his ability.
Spiffer knew MurderCat would botch his claim in such a way that would make him an attractive vig target.
Further, Spiffeh knew both his partners would be caught that day as confirmed scum, thus creating the NEED for him to protect them with an ability.
This is a series of unlikely events, at which if any ONE of them is untrue, Spiffeh would just use his cop ability that night, and he's the kicker.
Spiffeh was scum and he used his ability on scum.
Wanna bet what would happen if Pie hadn't watched pie?
Muffin flips town, the town gathers its pitchforks to lynch Grey!Scum....
Spiffeh: "I have a cop innocent on GreyICE!"
And you bet your ass they wouldn't risk that kind of plan with the chance of GreyICE being watched or Spiffeh being tracked and thus revealing two people.
One more piece of evidence: Spiffeh didn't post his cop until very late in the day. I wonder if perhaps he waited to see if there were any incriminating claims before choosing what he did, and once Pie posted her thing, he switched it up and claimed the guilty for town cred.
But most importantly, all this evidence points to just one thing:
Only someone with an ability can be scum.
Which means it can only be Hebi, Ceph or IAI.
And I know Hebi isn't scum based on how things have played this game.
So we lynch IAI and we probably just win.
That simple.
The train of logic makes no fucking sense, and the idea that he lucked into whatever the fuck you are claiming happened, is beyond the realm of how a player like Spiffeh would play in almost all circumstances.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Yhis argumebt is what lld has been saying in thread all day, in neighborhood, and its why I want to vote iai a lot.In post 3481, Cephrir wrote:Mm, true-
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Its a decent worry.In post 3483, Cephrir wrote:I'm worried because I've thought he was town all game and if he is then I guess we're going to lynch me next and lose.
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Spiffeh day 6 "I got a inno on so and so N5"In post 3480, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Then ask yourself this: If he DIDN'T USE IT THAT NIGHT, WHY WOULD HE CLAIM A GUILTY ON GREYICE (effectively pointless) instead of waiting for a time at which he was in more danger and could use it to fake a guilty OR clear his last partner?In post 3478, Cephrir wrote:
I take issue with this. Spiffeh didn't have to know all of those things -- all he had to do was not use his cop ability as claimed, which who knows whether or not he might have done that or why. He also didn't claim it until the watcher was out -- so he was only betting that he had not been tracked on night 2, which seems well within reason.In post 3466, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:UNLESS YOU BELIEVE THE FOLLOWING IS TRUE, THE LAST SCUM CANNOT BE VANILLA:
Spiffeh knew that Magua would target Muffin with his Echo (never claimed) on Night 2, and there for saved his ability to prevent a paranoid vig shot from hitting a player.
Spiffeh knew Muffin would use his Paranoid Vig that night, and not hisClaimed Self Doctorwhich to my mind is an assumption I think scum made given the Role block on Muffin that night.
Spiffeh knew No one would track or watch him that night, so he could SAFELY CLAIM to have TARGETTED GREYICE. He would have had to have known this BEFORE the day started, because that would be when he made the decision to use his ability.
Spiffer knew MurderCat would botch his claim in such a way that would make him an attractive vig target.
Further, Spiffeh knew both his partners would be caught that day as confirmed scum, thus creating the NEED for him to protect them with an ability.
This is a series of unlikely events, at which if any ONE of them is untrue, Spiffeh would just use his cop ability that night, and he's the kicker.
Spiffeh was scum and he used his ability on scum.
Wanna bet what would happen if Pie hadn't watched pie?
Muffin flips town, the town gathers its pitchforks to lynch Grey!Scum....
Spiffeh: "I have a cop innocent on GreyICE!"
And you bet your ass they wouldn't risk that kind of plan with the chance of GreyICE being watched or Spiffeh being tracked and thus revealing two people.
One more piece of evidence: Spiffeh didn't post his cop until very late in the day. I wonder if perhaps he waited to see if there were any incriminating claims before choosing what he did, and once Pie posted her thing, he switched it up and claimed the guilty for town cred.
But most importantly, all this evidence points to just one thing:
Only someone with an ability can be scum.
Which means it can only be Hebi, Ceph or IAI.
And I know Hebi isn't scum based on how things have played this game.
So we lynch IAI and we probably just win.
That simple.
The train of logic makes no fucking sense, and the idea that he lucked into whatever the fuck you are claiming happened, is beyond the realm of how a player like Spiffeh would play in almost all circumstances.
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Nobody has still answered the key 2 questions
Why if I'm MCs teammate did he not claim auction cop
Why if I'm the last scum did I kill pie instead of hebi
Neither add up to me being scum.ShowTown 21-21-1
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so what you're saying is that he would have used it night 2 for town cred, right?In post 3486, I Am Innocent wrote:
Spiffeh day 6 "I got a inno on so and so N5"In post 3480, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Then ask yourself this: If he DIDN'T USE IT THAT NIGHT, WHY WOULD HE CLAIM A GUILTY ON GREYICE (effectively pointless) instead of waiting for a time at which he was in more danger and could use it to fake a guilty OR clear his last partner?In post 3478, Cephrir wrote:
I take issue with this. Spiffeh didn't have to know all of those things -- all he had to do was not use his cop ability as claimed, which who knows whether or not he might have done that or why. He also didn't claim it until the watcher was out -- so he was only betting that he had not been tracked on night 2, which seems well within reason.In post 3466, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:UNLESS YOU BELIEVE THE FOLLOWING IS TRUE, THE LAST SCUM CANNOT BE VANILLA:
Spiffeh knew that Magua would target Muffin with his Echo (never claimed) on Night 2, and there for saved his ability to prevent a paranoid vig shot from hitting a player.
Spiffeh knew Muffin would use his Paranoid Vig that night, and not hisClaimed Self Doctorwhich to my mind is an assumption I think scum made given the Role block on Muffin that night.
Spiffeh knew No one would track or watch him that night, so he could SAFELY CLAIM to have TARGETTED GREYICE. He would have had to have known this BEFORE the day started, because that would be when he made the decision to use his ability.
Spiffer knew MurderCat would botch his claim in such a way that would make him an attractive vig target.
Further, Spiffeh knew both his partners would be caught that day as confirmed scum, thus creating the NEED for him to protect them with an ability.
This is a series of unlikely events, at which if any ONE of them is untrue, Spiffeh would just use his cop ability that night, and he's the kicker.
Spiffeh was scum and he used his ability on scum.
Wanna bet what would happen if Pie hadn't watched pie?
Muffin flips town, the town gathers its pitchforks to lynch Grey!Scum....
Spiffeh: "I have a cop innocent on GreyICE!"
And you bet your ass they wouldn't risk that kind of plan with the chance of GreyICE being watched or Spiffeh being tracked and thus revealing two people.
One more piece of evidence: Spiffeh didn't post his cop until very late in the day. I wonder if perhaps he waited to see if there were any incriminating claims before choosing what he did, and once Pie posted her thing, he switched it up and claimed the guilty for town cred.
But most importantly, all this evidence points to just one thing:
Only someone with an ability can be scum.
Which means it can only be Hebi, Ceph or IAI.
And I know Hebi isn't scum based on how things have played this game.
So we lynch IAI and we probably just win.
That simple.
The train of logic makes no fucking sense, and the idea that he lucked into whatever the fuck you are claiming happened, is beyond the realm of how a player like Spiffeh would play in almost all circumstances.
Town "ummm why did you wait so long to use it"
Spiffeh "ummmmm I don't know"
Town "n2 would have been a good time you know to figure out that whole GI muffin debate...u must be lying scum"
Because that would have been his thought process, right?
So he would have actually used it, because he couldn't have known to save it?
It's one or the other you don't get both.
He either used it with the plan to use it, or he didn't use it so he could save it.
You can't use the argument there both ways, lmfao.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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If after my town flip people ignore both pie and me and vote someone other than LLD or kats I will auto vote those town players D1 of every game I ever play with them from now til eternity.In post 3483, Cephrir wrote:I'm worried because I've thought he was town all game and if he is then I guess we're going to lynch me next and lose.
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1) Why didn't he claim ACTUAL cop, and have Spiffeh jsut claim to be yet another person who bid 100 on something. It's clear at this point MC shagged his claim and so your argument here is invalid.In post 3487, I Am Innocent wrote:Nobody has still answered the key 2 questions
Why if I'm MCs teammate did he not claim auction cop
Why if I'm the last scum did I kill pie instead of hebi
Neither add up to me being scum.
2) Probably so you could make this exact argument? Pie was super obvious town was never being mislynched, so like, this whole idea is pure WIFOM.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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No what I'm saying is D3 when his mate got caught with his pants down he them used that as an opportunity to claim he used it.In post 3488, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
so what you're saying is that he would have used it night 2 for town cred, right?In post 3486, I Am Innocent wrote:
Spiffeh day 6 "I got a inno on so and so N5"In post 3480, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Then ask yourself this: If he DIDN'T USE IT THAT NIGHT, WHY WOULD HE CLAIM A GUILTY ON GREYICE (effectively pointless) instead of waiting for a time at which he was in more danger and could use it to fake a guilty OR clear his last partner?In post 3478, Cephrir wrote:
I take issue with this. Spiffeh didn't have to know all of those things -- all he had to do was not use his cop ability as claimed, which who knows whether or not he might have done that or why. He also didn't claim it until the watcher was out -- so he was only betting that he had not been tracked on night 2, which seems well within reason.In post 3466, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:UNLESS YOU BELIEVE THE FOLLOWING IS TRUE, THE LAST SCUM CANNOT BE VANILLA:
Spiffeh knew that Magua would target Muffin with his Echo (never claimed) on Night 2, and there for saved his ability to prevent a paranoid vig shot from hitting a player.
Spiffeh knew Muffin would use his Paranoid Vig that night, and not hisClaimed Self Doctorwhich to my mind is an assumption I think scum made given the Role block on Muffin that night.
Spiffeh knew No one would track or watch him that night, so he could SAFELY CLAIM to have TARGETTED GREYICE. He would have had to have known this BEFORE the day started, because that would be when he made the decision to use his ability.
Spiffer knew MurderCat would botch his claim in such a way that would make him an attractive vig target.
Further, Spiffeh knew both his partners would be caught that day as confirmed scum, thus creating the NEED for him to protect them with an ability.
This is a series of unlikely events, at which if any ONE of them is untrue, Spiffeh would just use his cop ability that night, and he's the kicker.
Spiffeh was scum and he used his ability on scum.
Wanna bet what would happen if Pie hadn't watched pie?
Muffin flips town, the town gathers its pitchforks to lynch Grey!Scum....
Spiffeh: "I have a cop innocent on GreyICE!"
And you bet your ass they wouldn't risk that kind of plan with the chance of GreyICE being watched or Spiffeh being tracked and thus revealing two people.
One more piece of evidence: Spiffeh didn't post his cop until very late in the day. I wonder if perhaps he waited to see if there were any incriminating claims before choosing what he did, and once Pie posted her thing, he switched it up and claimed the guilty for town cred.
But most importantly, all this evidence points to just one thing:
Only someone with an ability can be scum.
Which means it can only be Hebi, Ceph or IAI.
And I know Hebi isn't scum based on how things have played this game.
So we lynch IAI and we probably just win.
That simple.
The train of logic makes no fucking sense, and the idea that he lucked into whatever the fuck you are claiming happened, is beyond the realm of how a player like Spiffeh would play in almost all circumstances.
Town "ummm why did you wait so long to use it"
Spiffeh "ummmmm I don't know"
Town "n2 would have been a good time you know to figure out that whole GI muffin debate...u must be lying scum"
Because that would have been his thought process, right?
So he would have actually used it, because he couldn't have known to save it?
It's one or the other you don't get both.
He either used it with the plan to use it, or he didn't use it so he could save it.
You can't use the argument there both ways, lmfao.
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What you are trying to argue still just doesn't make sense fro order of events.
But you already know that.
Ari, Hebi, can we please just lynch this fuck? I'm getting tired of explaining the SAME FUCKING LOGIC over and over again to someone who is clearly scum and just trying to subvert it with any lie they can find.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Except that doesn't go very well with his posts at the end of the day...he hinted at finding muffin scum and GI town.In post 3009, Spiffeh wrote:I wanted to save it as long as I could and avoid the probable roleblocks that would be used N1 by scum
Then the GI/Muffin thing happened all of Day 2 and I was over it so copped GI to put an end to it
In post 2154, Spiffeh wrote:Less than a day before deadline is not the time to start a vanity wagon
This is likely the last time I will be on before deadline so people have about a half hour to make random a viable wagon again
If that doesn't happen I'm switching to Muffin to ensure a lynchIn post 2159, Spiffeh wrote:I am more confident that Grey is townIn post 2155, Spiffeh wrote:I agree that IAI's switch to GI is really shitty but there is no time to push that lynch throughShowTown 21-21-1
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Hey LLD do you usually use a cop on someone you find town or scum lol.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Irrelevant, he was scum so I assume he'd use his cop however he could best do so to generate town cred.In post 3494, I Am Innocent wrote:Hey LLD do you usually use a cop on someone you find town or scum lol.
Which is to target GI and see what the day unfolds, imoYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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2155 is esp great...scum spiffeh trying to kill scum IAIs town cred from hopping on 5 power scum mate GI
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Oh no but there was a master plan or so you sayIn post 3495, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Irrelevant, he was scum so I assume he'd use his cop however he could best do so to generate town cred.In post 3494, I Am Innocent wrote:Hey LLD do you usually use a cop on someone you find town or scum lol.
Which is to target GI and see what the day unfolds, imoShowTown 21-21-1
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Lady Lambdadelta She/FaerRise of the PhoenixShe/Faer
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This is a waste of time you're not actually reading what I'm saying and I can't expect you to respond reasonably because you're just scum here so someone, please, come lynch this fuck with me.
PLEASE.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Guys we have 1 mislynch left.In post 3498, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:This is a waste of time you're not actually reading what I'm saying and I can't expect you to respond reasonably because you're just scum here so someone, please, come lynch this fuck with me.
PLEASE.
I guarantee if u lynch kats and LLD (the latter if kats is town), we win.
You don't and we lose I'll point you back to this post over and over again.
And I'll point you to pies last post, remember the girl responsible for 3 scum lynches this game.ShowTown 21-21-1
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