The Walking Dead Season 1 Finale (GAME OVER)

[hebichan]

VOTE: hebichan

Hebichan is always scum.
I have zero proof of this so you must take my word.
My word is truth!!!

~Townbinger

You hurt my snake feelings.




VOTE: Young and Witless
Their name implies how they will play.

[hebichan]

Answer for your crimes Hebichan!
I have proof you didn't go to snake school for the gifted!!

YOU HAVE LIED TOO MANY TIMES.

How do I know I even hurt your feelings?

~FireTown

I never said I went to the snake school for the gifted.

I said I went to Miss Hisser's Snake Academy for Girls.

Don't misrepresent me.

[hebichan]

I never said I went to the snake school for the gifted.

I said I went to Miss Hisser's Snake Academy for Girls.

Don't misrepresent me.

No wonder I don't recognize you,
I went to the snake school for the gifted.

They let me in even though I was a lizard, we really broke species barriers when I got into the school.

I will stop misrepresenting you.

VOTE: Vedith

~Townheadbringer

If you're the town head, does that mean your other head is actually scum?

[hebichan]

Wait... is cakez really arguing people are being too active? That's kinda a silly thing. You don't know if there were otherhttp://www.howtogeek.com/186775/how-to-downloa ... a-legally/ circumstances involved in the past, or maybe having a hydra partner just motivates vedith more.

Either way its a bad argument.

PV should probably know better here too. Firebringer loves to ATE as any alignment, it's not indicative of his alignment,

I think I should be concerned that beeboy and I are having similar reads here though.
VOTE: SirCakez[/votes]

[hebichan]

Wait... is cakez really arguing people are being too active? That's kinda a silly thing. You don't know if there were otherhttp://www.howtogeek.com/186775/how-to-downloa ... a-legally/ circumstances involved in the past, or maybe having a hydra partner just motivates vedith more.

Either way its a bad argument.

PV should probably know better here too. Firebringer loves to ATE as any alignment, it's not indicative of his alignment,

I think I should be concerned that beeboy and I are having similar reads here though.
VOTE: SirCakez[/votes]

VOTE: SirCakes
EBP

[hebichan]

Wait... is cakez really arguing people are being too active? That's kinda a silly thing. You don't know if there were otherhttp://www.howtogeek.com/186775/how-to-downloa ... a-legally/ circumstances involved in the past, or maybe having a hydra partner just motivates vedith more.

Either way its a bad argument.

PV should probably know better here too. Firebringer loves to ATE as any alignment, it's not indicative of his alignment,

I think I should be concerned that beeboy and I are having similar reads here though.
VOTE: SirCakez[/votes]

VOTE: SirCakes
EBP

VOTE: SirCakez

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[hebichan]

Firebringer loves to ATE as any alignment, it's not indicative of his alignment,

What are you talking about?
You have never seen me play scum.

~FireTown

Okay, you ATE as town then. I guess that is more factually accurate. Regardless, I have personally mislynched you because of your ATEing.

[hebichan]

Okay, you ATE as town then. I guess that is more factually accurate. Regardless, I have personally mislynched you because of your ATEing.

Yeah, umm I can't believe no one understood my frustration on the fact i replaced into a game where i was VT while 4 people replaced into a PR slot and we lynched them because we thought it must have been a scum lurker.

That was just like, blew my mind.

~Nullbringer

You're being overly defensive for someone I'm calling town, like, calm down man.

[hebichan]

Wait... is cakez really arguing people are being too active? That's kinda a silly thing. You don't know if there were otherhttp://www.howtogeek.com/186775/how-to-downloa ... a-legally/ circumstances involved in the past, or maybe having a hydra partner just motivates vedith more.

Either way its a bad argument.

PV should probably know better here too. Firebringer loves to ATE as any alignment, it's not indicative of his alignment,

I think I should be concerned that beeboy and I are having similar reads here though.
VOTE: SirCakez[/votes]

Literally saying why you aren't scum for ATEing here.

I guess I didn't explicitly call you town? But I wouldn't have said it if I didn't think it at the time.

Now you're arguing me for no good reason?

[hebichan]

No, I don't think I'd be lynched if I was more scum than town. I just don't feel like going through everything and I see no reason for doing it. She's not asking for meta. She's asking for numbers that serve no diagnostic criteria.

Mollie always has a reason to ask the questions she asks do the things she does. Instead of fighting with her, why is it so hard to work with her?

Well I have these things called questions. Interrogative sentences with question marks.

Sure, I think I have a good one here, why is it that you seem to be so scum this game?

I need to catch up a bit more since my computer KEEPS DYING every time I fix it, but I think I can place a vote here for now.

VOTE: Kuroi

[hebichan]

Your question is a useless question. My previous games don't affect the probability of if I'm scum this game.

If you want to find out so badly, why don't you look? It only takes two seconds, right?

I am not asking about your probablities I am asking you for numbers.

sure I can go look it up for myself, but I find infinitely interesting that you can't be bothered to answer a simple question but you CAN be bothered to continue a discussion in which you are being overly defensive about a point that I am not even making?

like that is why I am voting you. you seem like hyper-aware self-conscious scum.

I get what you're trying to do here, but why ask for his numbers anyhow. Was it just to get him to slip like he did?

Just curious since scum to town ratio really means nothing.

Variance and all. I still think Kuroi is scum, but I'm not sure where your head was here?

[hebichan]

Voting me after I voted you? Holy shit. Check the record books. I think we have the first ever instance of this happening!

Honestly I didn't even notice that vote.

Oops.

Still think you're scum.

[hebichan]

Hey. Don't worry about it. It's not like it's only three posts after my original assessment of you or anything.

I did read that through, it was pretty short and blunt. I appreciate that.

I am sorta getting my computer all set up while playing at the moment, so I missed a few posts admittedly.

[hebichan]

before I out my role, some pple might want to save themselves the embarrassment and unvote me

What kind of scum garbage softclaim is that, mollie only has 3 votes and she's freaking out

Honestly willing to get some more pressure on this slot. Thought I also dont understand the sudden kuroi townreads, he hasn't done anything that impressive since I voted him.

He hasn't done anything that scummy either though.

VOTE: pirate mollie

[hebichan]

I do have to agree with Cakez. He super lurked when I was scum with him in ME.

Got me lynched cause he even lurked in our QT and never verified my fakeclaim.

So him being active here is a pretty decent indicator since I think hes mostly allergic to playing scum.

[hebichan]

Lol ok fine.

I just can't do this with you right now. I knew I shouldn't have even asked.

You ever gonna post anything content related...

my townread pool is super small right now.

[hebichan]

17478

Kiss my ass.

I don't get it, what are you saying here?

[hebichan]

before I out my role, some pple might want to save themselves the embarrassment and unvote me

What kind of scum garbage softclaim is that, mollie only has 3 votes and she's freaking out

Honestly willing to get some more pressure on this slot. Thought I also dont understand the sudden kuroi townreads, he hasn't done anything that impressive since I voted him.

He hasn't done anything that scummy either though.

VOTE: pirate mollie

You.

VOTED

Me.

Did you read the first sentence.

"he hasn't done anything that impressive

since I voted him

.

It was implied that I meant you hadn't done anything scummy SINCE THEN.

Seriously, you latch onto stupid things.

[hebichan]

So Hebi -

Is Molly more scummy than Kuroi to you?

I would say so, yes.

I always hate softclaims though, and I have almost mislynched over it in the past in the last pick your power.

However, this softclaim is also ATEing, so its like a double dose of scummy to me.

[hebichan]

Hebi, you voted me for not being impressive, although you didn't think I'm scum?

Do you not understand what Mafia is? Scum are SCUMMY (hence the name). We don't call people likely to be scum Unimpressive.

That's not what I was saying at all...

I scumread you when I voted you, you hadn't done anything impressive, as in townie, since then, so I didn't understand people townreading you.

However, since you also did not do anything scummy since then, and pirate mollie did something scummy, and much worse than you, I decided to vote there.

Seriously, are you this bad at reading context? Each post does not exist in a void. Get some reading comprehension.

[hebichan]

I would say so, yes.

I always hate softclaims though, and I have almost mislynched over it in the past in the last pick your power.

However, this softclaim is also ATEing, so its like a double dose of scummy to me.

Regardless, I have personally mislynched you because of your ATEing.

So Molly is double scum to you for things you actively acknowledge are are not necessarily alignment indicative?

Am I reading that right?

Again, out of context, firebringer is bad about ATEing all over the place. That's a meta read.

I don't know mollie, never played with her.

[hebichan]

Hebi, you voted me for not being impressive, although you didn't think I'm scum?

Do you not understand what Mafia is? Scum are SCUMMY (hence the name). We don't call people likely to be scum Unimpressive.

That's not what I was saying at all...

I scumread you when I voted you, you hadn't done anything impressive, as in townie, since then, so I didn't understand people townreading you.

However, since you also did not do anything scummy since then, and pirate mollie did something scummy, and much worse than you, I decided to vote there.

Seriously, are you this bad at reading context? Each post does not exist in a void. Get some reading comprehension.

You're squirming. Like I said before, being unimpressive does NOT equal scumminess.

My friends, hebicham is scum. I say that because I think too highly of this player than to truly think they're this backwards.

I believe I remember the only game we played together being the one where I lynched almost all down town lines despite my good reads.

I don't think you know me well enough to make this claim.

[hebichan]

I know your reasoning, and there is an entire huge break in logic. Unless you know a process greater than logic, I can say you're full of BS.

In mafia, logic can't always get you everywhere, because you don't have perfect information.

So yes, logic can be very flawed in mafia, but you must apply pressure to points where you think you can get more information so you can actually build a logical case.

So I appreciate your pressure on me, however, I think you are off base in your assumptions.

In other news, I think we should pressure mollie, because we have a bad softclaim.

I agree with the interactions with Kuroi being weird.

[hebichan]

So because you don't have perfect information, you think I'm unimpressive and thus, having you believe I'm scum.

For the life of me, I won't understand this and for the life of your role here, I really think you ought to die.

Again, not what I said originally.

I can't for the life of me stand your blatant misrepresentations of my posts and yeah, that more than anything else does make me think you're a bit scummy.

The unimpressive bit was not understanding why you are townread, there is a line between town and scum in reads, its called null.

I thought most people should be null reading you.

But to further claify, let me go get my first vote on you in a second.

[hebichan]

No, I don't think I'd be lynched if I was more scum than town. I just don't feel like going through everything and I see no reason for doing it. She's not asking for meta. She's asking for numbers that serve no diagnostic criteria.

Mollie always has a reason to ask the questions she asks do the things she does. Instead of fighting with her, why is it so hard to work with her?

Well I have these things called questions. Interrogative sentences with question marks.

Sure, I think I have a good one here, why is it that you seem to be so scum this game?

I need to catch up a bit more since my computer KEEPS DYING every time I fix it, but I think I can place a vote here for now.

VOTE: Kuroi

It was this interaction here that made me think you were scum, Which never got any better. It seemed like you were being avoident at the time, and picking up on nitpicky reasons to question people, much like you still are.

[hebichan]

town- magna, bunch of letters starting with X
null- PV, cakez, other head, IPS
scum- Pirate Mollie, beeboy, Kuroi,

currently where my head is at.

[hebichan]

Idk I just like BBT's posts lol.
CatDog is primarily UTL posts which makes me want to town read the slot because the one time I saw them play as scum it was 99% Hiplop posts and I think UTL has a lurky/fluffy scum game so I would be town reading the slot regardless of the first reason I mentioned.

pedit: nah

The buddying here is what makes you scum.

No original thoughts, please move on.

[hebichan]

Yes we do. Are you voting him? Is your ISO filled with any significant attempts to sort the game?

I agree I have done almost nothing this game but what I find odd is how you aren't actually addressing anyone with town reads on me directly. All you are really doing is discrediting the reads on me which is pretty meh since I don't get the impression you are scum reading me.

P.S: If you did ask people why they where town reading me and I missed that ignore this entire post.

Here you can have this one too.

It's hard quoting someone who posts so much but says so little.

[hebichan]

Yeah, town is allowed to be wrong on scum, doesn't mean people have to agree with their townreads.

To YAW, I don't really care if you feel I'm waving away scumroi's "Arguments"

They're bad, I shouldn't have to justify my reasoning against them.

I mean SS, you were one of the scum during the game where I replaced in and played with Kuroi, doesn't his claim to have "Respect" for me as a player seem super suspect, seeing as that was also the only game I played with you if I remember right. So just try justifying the obvious "lol she's too good for this argument" thing with that in mind.

[hebichan]

Hebichan feels backtrack-y, voting Kuroi then mollie imemdiately and seemingly trying to play down her Kuroi read. Her explanation in 320 technically makes sense, but it feels super contrived. Then she tries to wave away Kuroi's arguments in 333, and she says in 342 that her scumread on Kuroi never got any better despite admitting that he hadn't done anything scummy since her vote on him.

she had a scum-read on Kuroi.
She got a bigger scum-read on Mollie and switched her vote while still thinking Kuroi is scummy.
what's the issue??

i don't see how #320 is contrived, spell it out for me please.

@mollie.

Yes, I think you are both scum.

[hebichan]

also we are acquainted so don't act like you do not know who I am

Fair, I don't remember the most from then though, so sorry ^^;.

Anyhow, so kuroi was latching onto tiny things that were nitpicky and ignoring the larger picture. SO I thought he was scum, then you made the terrible softclaim and had the larger wagon, so I switched to you, thinking you were also scum. I never stopped scumreading kuroi, I just thought it was easier to apply pressure to you with the larger wagon.

[hebichan]

wats the larger picture

he would focus on stupid wording choices instead of the overall context of the post.

[hebichan]

wats the larger picture

he would focus on stupid wording choices instead of the overall context of the post.

what is the overall context of the post?

I had already explained back in my back and forth with kuroi, this is not a useful conversation.

he thought I was scum reading him because I thought his posts were "unimpressive" when really I was just asking why everyone was townreading him so hard when none of his posts have been that impressive since I had voted him. MY original vote on him had nothing to do with me asking about the townreads on him. I then admitted he also had not been scummy since I had made my original post, which he latched onto as meaning I never scumread him in the first place.

[hebichan]

I just explained, his refusal to actually read any more than a single post at a time and focusing on stupid word choices and pretending that there were things that were there that weren't.

Not to mention the fake as fuck "respect" after one game where I played horribly.

[hebichan]

UNVOTE: Mollie

Sounds like mollie is claiming stump, I don't want any part of this anymore. If she is and doesn't die then we have a lynchable, if she does stump all the better. Just don't do it yet.

Hmmm... I'm not sure where to vote for right now. Maverick has a point with Mollie's questioning. Though I would argue Kuroi did the same exact thing as mollie did just without the claim to fall back on. If you really want to argue about pointless questions, maverick.

[hebichan]

You should read the exchange between YAW and myself where they both state a town read on SC and then fail in being able to justify it.

That is really weird. I missed it before honestly, because townreads are townreads but cakez hasn't been the best player today. At the same time, I haven't been able to see many people justify a townread on Kuroi either, but that is more on them than kuroi... maybe I'm tunneling too hard here...

They are voting on me I guess? I think they made an okay reason there though. If they are scum though, they could easily be trying to hide a cakez scum.
They
UNVOTE:

VOTE: Young and Witless

[hebichan]

For Xkfyu, I liked in 255 how he didn't back down from what he was saying despite his terminology being challenged, and I think the way he was trying to get reads out of people without caring how it makes him look reminds me of his towngame.

I remember us talking about this exact thing in Math's Mafia.

However, did we not also have a conversation about how you should never use meta when trying to read me?

Maybe. I still will, at least for a starting point. (It's different now, too, because now I have meta from a game I was in.)

I think I know YOU well enough to tell when you are playing in a straightforward manner wrt your wc, your play rn makes me think you have a different 1 from my own. am I wrong?

What about my play in Walking Dead 5 was straightforward? I had no idea what was going on literally the whole game.
-smart

you walked through the progression of your thought processes unprompted, while here the general motivation seems to obfuscate things? and I am not understanding why. I feel like the smart I met in the last twd game is hiding behind creature's playstyle and I want to understand why.

I'm not sure, but I think that's because the progression of my thought processes in that game was "WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON".
I'm not trying to obfuscate anything; I'm just not sharing all my thoughts. (I'm also quite busy right now and haven't been able to devote as much effort to this game as I should.)
-smart

Your idea of what not sharing all your thoughts is called is funny. It also only makes you look more scummy. This entire post was just deflection.

[hebichan]

MOD – I’ll be V/LA from 5pm EDT today until Monday morning for my usual weekend family duties.

VOTE: Hebi

Since iProbably has apparently flaked his replacement is going to get a halo and I don’t have the energy to fight with everyone about that right now.

--

It was off the top of my head when picking people, if I didn't remember you I didn't remember you. Suck it up big boy.

See .. this is why I might join Catdog’s Cakez crusade eventually. Because this response doesn’t pass the smell test. Like day old fish in the farmer’s market. I think your explanation for who you ISOed and why is suspect.

Cool sure, why am I scum and not YAW after his whole thing about pushing activity being a town thing. Pretty sure he's just buddying up again. I want to keep pushing the YAW wagon here.

[hebichan]

I'm actually incredibly disappointed in the fall of the cakez wagon. Somebody tell me why

isn't

scum?

The more I see YAW defend him the more this is coming to mind.

[hebichan]

Yeah sure, I'll just take that fall for Cakez and YAW.

[hebichan]

@farside

:

You should read the exchange between YAW and myself where they both state a town read on SC and then fail in being able to justify it.

That is really weird. I missed it before honestly, because townreads are townreads but cakez hasn't been the best player today. At the same time, I haven't been able to see many people justify a townread on Kuroi either, but that is more on them than kuroi... maybe I'm tunneling too hard here...

They are voting on me I guess? I think they made an okay reason there though. If they are scum though, they could easily be trying to hide a cakez scum.
They
UNVOTE:

VOTE: Young and Witless

i'm starting to understand the HC scum-reads now

right.
I highlighted Hebichan's vote here.
where she is voting YAW because they mght be scum defending SirCakez as scum, even though SC is unflipped and she is not voting SC even though she's apparently so sure he's scum that she is voting YAW based on a possible associate.
do you NOT find this vote bad or something?
why are you confused that I would scum-read her for this?

Above you can see where he talk about another wagon he could see himself joining and then the final one where a wagon is going on he comes up with weak reason's to join the wagon on YAW.

i don't agree the reasons are weak.
In my view, YAW is playing stereotypical scum and BOTH heads are scummy.

SO, are you implying that YAW and I are scum together?

And how are my reasons for jumping on YAW bad if you read them as scum. And even if they were how does that make me scum? Kurois reasons for juping on me were bad, most people admit it.

Furthermore why would you jump from such "stereotypical scum" to a person with less people wagoned on them. Maybe it's because you just wanted a counterwagon on YAW.

IF you admit YAW is scummy help me vote them.

[hebichan]

I admit that Wisdom is acting a bit strange, but if he things he has a solid read on YAW, isn't best he push it? A good deal of mafia is politics after all.

I don't know how he plays though, so I can't really say for certain.

[hebichan]

hm

UNVOTE: KuroiXHF

@mollie: convince me on YAW?

What was this sudden unvote about, Ank? It seemed kinda awkward.

I mean, even I let off on kuroi after awhile. I admit after rereading a lot of his content, he is probably town.

To be fair, that wasn't the best week for me when I posted all that.

[hebichan]

why AREN'T you weirded out by them, far? this is weaksauce from wis, you have to know this.

They aren't strong and aggressive points,

but he has a point.

For example, when max ask wisdom about the scum read, he points out that max isn't even voting her.
Pointing out a weak case that someone made, none of that is weird.

Now I explained more indepth what I noted, why is that weaksauce exactly?

which point do you think he was making?

I explained in the paragraph you just quoted.

I admit that Wisdom is acting a bit strange, but if he things he has a solid read on YAW, isn't best he push it? A good deal of mafia is politics after all.

I don't know how he plays though, so I can't really say for certain.

This is a good example of why my vote is on hebichan.
Making some vague comment, positioning herself to go ahead and vote on the wagon whenever she wants.

I am already on the wagon I want to be on for the rest of the day, you don't have to worry about me jumping ship here.

I mean, I was already voting on YAW, so I'm not really sure what you even want. I don't want to vote Wisdom, the slot is not scum overall.

[hebichan]

@Max

– please remind me of your Cakez read please.

i don't think i gave one previously?

I'm very unsure about SC.
I would lean the scum side of null simply based on how long he has sat on the farside wagon for no reason.

I think as far as purposefully vague to position oneself though, this one is a good candidate for such a prospect.

PirateMollie just also had a nice ATE with the "of but I'm trying to be nice" deal.

Current Scum Reads



YAW
Maxous
PirateMollie

Town
Wisdom
Farside
PV
XKfyu
Catdog
BBT

Townlead
kuroi
sircakez
ankamius

scumlean
otherhead

null
basic

[hebichan]

Maxous has been going back and forth on me and YAW for most of the game. Some of the time he says my wagon looks nicer and some times he feels like YAW is the best.
It genuinely feels like he's keeping his options open for towncred.

I mean, he could just be genuinely be teetering back and forth, but why wouldn't he say that?

As for mollie not being on either wagon... Distancing? There is almost certainly scum on my wagon with the amount of votes there.

[hebichan]

Still not sold on YAW Wisdom?

Hypothetical question bbt, what will your reads be if your wrong.

Said the pot to the kettle.

[hebichan]

Sure, I'm claiming town bulletproof, its not provable so lynch if you have to.

[hebichan]

Oh, you wanted flavor with that? Daryl Dixon.

Want some fries too?

[hebichan]

VOTE: hebichan

gogo self hammer rangers.

I played badly and don't feel like giving too much more time to respond.

[hebichan]

Oh, I thought I was hammering. Dammit all.