The Walking Dead Season 1 Finale (GAME OVER)

Wisdom · Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:22 pm

As many as needed?

We agree on kuroi at least

Wisdom · Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:29 pm

farside i am going to stay on xk until either he does something i think is town or someone points out to me why hes town
Kuroi is likely the fourth due to poe but im not interested in wagoning him over xk

Wisdom · Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:48 pm

In post 2716, farside22 wrote:Then you, wis, Xkfyu, maria and dgb.
Day 3 you have kuroi, Basic, wis, Maria and dweell

Now i get how im in "tier A scum" for magna
I guess building the wagons in both cases doesnt count if youre not on the wagon in the end
Just one more reason vca is terrible

Wisdom · Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:50 pm

In post 2721, My Other Head Is Scum wrote:I missed him off my reads.

Thats the reason. Everyone keeps forgetting about him and hes skating by.

Wisdom · Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:25 pm

btw in case anyone hasnt bothered to connect the dots; Peregrine being a tracker confirms my theory that they tracked Ankamius to their nightkill target N1 thus finding out he's a protective. Meaning Ank and scum both targeted the same person N1, most likely mollie

Wisdom · Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:42 pm

because many plays respond to being scumread with scumreading, me included

Wisdom · Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:42 pm

players*

Wisdom · Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:51 pm

wait a sec

In post 2545, Radja wrote:PeregrineV (8) - farside22, Young and Witless, SirCakez, DrippingGoofball, Xkfyu, MagnaofIllusion, BlueBloodedToffee, My Other Head Is Scum - LYNCH

In post 2469, Wisdom wrote:VOTE: peregrine

Where did my vote go? I didnt unvote since that vote

Wisdom · Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:53 pm

@Radja[/v]
Confirm if the above was a mod mistake or not please.

Wisdom · Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:55 pm

In post 2731, farside22 wrote:
In post 2728, Wisdom wrote:because many plays respond to being scumread with scumreading, me included
Dude that's BS.
Did you seriously scum read mollie that whole time?
Did you scum read me when I thought you were scum?

I did scumread mollie until she claimed bg because I thought she could read me better than this, yes
You, no, I don't have such demands as you don't know me as well

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:03 am

idk
On one hand him calling me scum due to "vca" when I was a major part of developing both scum wagons is ridiculously shallow and I feel like Magna should know better
On the other I expect someone like him to have a claim in store for when things go south. Arguing he's not going to claim felt more like genuine frustration at getting wagoned out of nowhere

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:11 am

Do you have an example of him giving up as scum?

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:20 am

Sounds different.

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:30 am

why is Maria scum BBT?

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:31 am

In post 2750, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Hard to motivate myself when I'm conf-town

make use of it
Pressure people
They can't push you back

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:34 am

magna dont make me vote you

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:54 am

sure?
you know who's also still alive? xkfyu

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:57 am

farside
who's scum with kuroi if magna flips town?

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:08 am

does that fix the "moiputer" Magna?

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:32 am

In post 2764, farside22 wrote:I'd go with basic.

Why basic and not xk?

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:40 am

So Basic voted Maxous; big deal, Maxous was fucking scummy. What Xkfyu did was way worse. He kept saying he's happy with a Maxous lynch yet he never voted him

In post 1353, Xkfyu wrote:Yeah ok, if we aren't lynching Cakez, I'd be happy with a Maxous lynch.

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:42 am

In post 2771, MagnaofIllusion wrote:My question to you is why the fuck would you vote for me for pointing out Farside's out right lie about inspirational mafia and me never using VCA as town?

because farside is town and you focusing on trying to deflect her via omgus instead of a million other things you should be doing feels like bullshit

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:45 am

In post 2774, farside22 wrote:
In post 2772, Wisdom wrote:So Basic voted Maxous; big deal, Maxous was fucking scummy. What Xkfyu did was way worse. He kept saying he's happy with a Maxous lynch yet he never voted him

In post 1353, Xkfyu wrote:Yeah ok, if we aren't lynching Cakez, I'd be happy with a Maxous lynch.
Back at you.
What happens if Xkfyu flips town?

Also why are you not willing to vote kuroi today instead?

because I want xk gone

If he's town then I probably agree it's Kuroi and Basic

At least it's certainly not xk and Basic given Basic's push on xk

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:46 am

I mean I'll probably vote Kuroi if it comes down to it

But I'd rather people finally stop letting xk skate by

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:49 am

its not fabricated and the more you insist on it the more i think youre scum

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:51 am

like, i literally typed a vote and deleted it
get it together or i *will* vote you

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:04 am

In post 2782, farside22 wrote:That said based on Pere’s pushes on Kuroi and Catdog / Dwlee Days 1 and 2 I don’t feel like pushing either of them today. No matter how stupid Kuroi’s posting at the end of yesterday was.

you literally quoted it, farside. Seriously.

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:06 am

not really it doesnt
Maria is town, I am town, and farside is town
I know you can be better than that

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:15 am

In post 2792, farside22 wrote:Ummm that doesn't change the teir of who to lynch there Wisdom.

how does it not?

Tier 1 – Wisdom, Maria
Tier 2 – Kuroi, Basic, Sir Cakez, DGB, YAR
Tier 3 – Dwlee, Xkfyu
Tier 4 – BBT, Farside

Lynch MariaR / Wisdom / Basic first.

If that doesn't find the last two scum lynch Farside / YAR / DGB

So basically lynch the whole tier 1 and tier 2 minus Kuroi and Cakez which he explained plus you

There isn't a contradiction here, don't try to force one

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:19 am

In post 2792, farside22 wrote:Anyways the above quotes show that MOI was town reading SC, but when he soft claim was trying to get the info from him, which is scummy in itself.

no the above quotes show that MoI didnt think all 3 D1 wagons were on scum
It doesnt say anywhere that he thought Cakez is town
And given Cakez's claim made me paranoid too and I'm town, yes the pushing for the claim can come from town

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:19 am

In post 2795, Dwlee99 wrote:wisdom Im decent at VCA right?

vca is shit

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:21 am

In post 2796, farside22 wrote:If BBT is a town read on tier 4 DGB should be since she is cleared.

The tiers were the results of the VCA, not his reads.

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:23 am

because your arguments are wrong

pedit: you dont get it. The tier listing was the results of the vca. BBT didnt vote the same people as DGB did therefore they werent on the same tier

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:25 am

the issue i had with Max was that he was scummy as hell so sure

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:26 am

In post 2807, farside22 wrote:
In post 2805, Wisdom wrote:because your arguments are wrong

pedit: you dont get it. The tier listing was the results of the vca. BBT didnt vote the same people as DGB did therefore they werent on the same tier

BBT AND ME WERE ON THE SAME FUCKING TEIR!

and? you apparently voted scum and didnt vote maxous

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:29 am

i dont get how you dont get it

The tiers are SOLELY the VCA results, independent of everything else. They are not Magna's reads. BBT and you are at the bottom because (I'm guessing) you had your vote on the scum lynches and you weren't on Maxous. DGB if I recall correctly was on Maxous therefore placing her in a higher tier. What are you having trouble parsing?

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:38 am

In post 2813, farside22 wrote:This was a scum list, it says nothing about going on anything from the VCA so where Wisdom is getting that idea is beyond me.

This was, the tiers werent

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:40 am

i feel like im talking to a wall

They are two DIFFERENT posts.

The TIER one is the results of the VCA and he says so right before the tiers.

The LYNCH X AFTER I FLIP one is his reads.

Your problem is DGB's placement in the tiers and when I explain to you that the TIERS arent his READS you quote the second post.

Do you understand now why Magna thinks you're fabricating shit?

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:46 am

In post 2553, MagnaofIllusion wrote:So I ran the first three days lynches through the MoIputer and came up with the following tiers of players, most suspect to least suspect in descending Tier order.

Tier 1 – Wisdom, Maria
Tier 2 – Kuroi, Basic, Sir Cakez, DGB, YAR
Tier 3 – Dwlee, Xkfyu
Tier 4 – BBT, Farside

^VCA results

In post 2632, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Hi. Don't forget to lynch this after I flip Town. Especially in light of Mollie's constant requests for such as she was heavily scum reading Wisdom.

Not claiming - feel free to hammer at will. Amazingly I go V/LA and a quick-wagon appears. Scum definitely on this wagon.

Lynch MariaR / Wisdom / Basic first.

If that doesn't find the last two scum lynch Farside / YAR / DGB

^Magna's reads

Different posts.

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:48 am

In post 2822, farside22 wrote:I was commenting that if he believes BBT then DGB should be town too.

no because DGB could be scum doc/traitor and her play certainly does not resemble town
Besides it's no secret Magna doesn't exactly trust BBT, unless you've been reading a different game

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:50 am

im not being difficult, you are tunneling and you dont want to see your arguments are weak

and the misunderstanding came because you quoted the tiers where he put you and BBT in Tier 4

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:52 am

btw dwlee the Peregrine lynch votecount is wrong, its missing my vote between Magna's and xkfyu's
in case it matters for your thing

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:53 am

In post 2830, farside22 wrote:Your case on Xflu is the exact same as max and he was town so go fuck yourself officially,

i dont have a case but okay
im guessing you're referring to cakez's case and thinking it's mine

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:57 am

youre reading it the wrong way

the "mollie pushed him as scum" was an extra reason for why I am scum, not justification for his scumread on me. Therefore why would he talk about who else mollie pushed there?

Try and read it from Magna's point of view assuming he is town and it will be better

pedit: @farside

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:59 am

In post 2835, Dwlee99 wrote:pedit didnt moi computer generate his vca?

he said he ran it through the "moiputer", idk if that's an actual computer or his brain or whatever

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:03 am

In post 2838, farside22 wrote:my arguments don't make sense so I will just attack your actions

okay

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:06 am

I don't do "research". I meta people off games I've played with them because I don't consider any other type of meta to be reliable.
As for my scumread "magically" disappearing; I am sorry that I am not mindlessly tunneling someone who might be town into the ground.

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:11 am

btw an extra reason I think Magna is town is that I think Magna-scum would focus on pushing me rather than you in this occasion - and if not me, then he would go back to Maria. All of his last posts have focused on proving you are fabricating a push on him - why do that when he knows there's no support on lynching you whatsoever?

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:15 am

zzz

hes not desperate. He's town. And you're tunneling.

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:39 am

town do weak attacks too

being at l-2 doesnt mean someone is desperate

you're not even trying

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:55 am

i dont have to explain it
he hasnt done anything town therefore hes scum

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:55 am

plus various things ive said about him in the game that i cant bother finding and repeating

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:30 am

so basically i am voting scum and you're tunneling on town

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:37 am

In post 2856, MariaR wrote:Moi is sus of BBT but is 100% okay with him joining the bw on me
He tries to keep pushing far side and yet keeps his vote on me cause he knows far side isn't getting lynched okay eat rope

dont be as bad as farside
first of all his vote is on me, not you
his bbt read is barely any strong to warrant minding him voting you
and the farside thing is stupid, why does he need to vote her? cant he have multiple scumreads?

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:38 am

In post 2857, My Other Head Is Scum wrote:I should just sheep Wisdom, that seems like a solid plan for all of time.

if only everyone thought like that

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:44 am

think of it the reverse way
why even try to push farside when he knows there's no support for her lynch whatsoever? he'd be much better off continuing pushing you and/or me

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:52 am

In post 2871, Young and Witless wrote:MoI is playing like he did in Princess Bride
Maria is playing like she did in Machiavellian
Kuroi is playing dumb like he did in Game of Thrones and that Pokemon game mollie was talking about (granted, I wasn't in those, but I've read the Pokemon one multiple times now and I see the similarity)

so all three are scum?
Because all those are scum games

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:57 am

why vote if he thinks hes already voting scum?

you're looking at everything the wrong way and im tired

pedit: so maria is scum with Magna and that's a valid opinion, seriously?

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:02 am

yeah because letting scum skate by to endgame and lynching town is best

two of them likely are? You think Maria can be scum with Magna?

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:03 am

the "case" on MoI is the strongest?

what case?

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:06 am

cool now vote xk

pedit: @maria

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:09 am

no idea
Basic and xk have about equal amounts of content (with Basic having a little more imo) yet Basic pops up in scumlists and Xk doesnt

Moi has explained his scumread on you, however terrible his reasons were

pedit: @maria

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:11 am

In post 2884, farside22 wrote:You're lurker lynch

no u (learn to spell)

But seriously stop with the "lurker" lynch. I am not voting xk for lurking

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:20 am

i dont make cases

yes ill keep tearing down your pathetic arguments

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:24 am

i should also note that I dont like Smart's last posts. "The case on MoI is strongest" he says, yet he has not brought up a single point for why MoI is scum (besides the "he looks like a single game where he was scum" which is laughable), he just sheeped me and I didnt really have a case. And scumreading Maria while scumreading MoI just doesn't make any sort of sense either.

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:25 am

In post 2892, farside22 wrote:
In post 2891, Wisdom wrote:i dont make cases

yes ill keep tearing down your pathetic arguments
Then the wagon should be on MoI since you have no case and you don't let him defend himself.

the wagon should be on scum, not moi

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:32 am

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:50 am

Unofficial VC for whoever asked

MagnaofIllusion (5) - Young and Witless, Dwlee99, DrippingGoofball, MariaR, farside22
Xkfyu (3) - Wisdom, SirCakez, My Other Head Is Scum
Wisdom (1) - MagnaofIllusion
MariaR (1) - BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting (3) - Basic, Xkfyu, KuroiXHF

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:02 am

In post 2899, Young and Witless wrote:the meta case. Maria is admittedly a very dynamic player and I've never seen Kuroi's scumgame personally. But I've seen MoI on both sides and this is his scumgame.

how many games have you played with him?

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:04 am

In post 2899, Young and Witless wrote:your play is different, but I don't think your tone is that different.

hint: her tone is dependent on her character, which is the same regardless of her alignment
you can't just look at a game and argue the tone is similar and that that means she is scum without knowing maria, that's ridiculous

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:44 am

good boy. Here's your reward.

Spoiler: D1

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:05 am

Spoiler: D2

Spoiler: D3

That last VC was still wrong, I fixed it

Have fun

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:37 pm

While coloring I remembered hebi's bullshit push on Kuroi and how Peregrine also tried to push Kuroi off it and changed my mind about Kuroi again

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:20 pm

Eh. I could lynch Basic on a reread. I dont really think hes scum with Xk though

Wisdom · Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:03 pm

Ew why are you defending

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:38 am

Ive only played one game with him so I'm no expert on his meta, but he did tunnel on a townie as town there, much as he did with Maxous here.

You're telling me that if I look at all the games you've played with town-Magna I won't find him tunneling on a player?

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:01 am

no he didnt, he pushed Heat and didnt rethink it for one second - if anything he then pushed people for refusing to push Heat with him

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:01 am

he only let it go when he targeted him with his 3rd party cop and got inno

You also didnt answer my question

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:26 am

you cant meta off two games, man. People have different playstyles even as the same alignment. You need to know how someone thinks in order to meta them and that requires a lot of games.

What arguments do you think he's not believing?

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:41 am

What makes you think he doesn't believe his arguments?

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:33 am

who do you see as scum with xk?

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:37 am

I guess you'll say Kuroi, in which case do you think hebi's posts around 213 and Peregrine's posts around 1983 make sense with him as their buddy?

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:42 am

In post 2932, farside22 wrote:And he didn't do that here.
He didn't even regard anyone else's views day 2.
What's your point?

My point is he tunneled Heat just like he tunneled Maxous
He does tunnel
You still didnt answer my question, if I go through all of your games with town-him I won't find him tunneling on people?

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:42 am

In post 2932, farside22 wrote:Your using meta off one game.
How is that different?

im not using meta at all
All my points towards Magna being town are things that have happened in this game

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:44 am

In post 2934, SirCakez wrote:Hebi's Kuroi vote only stuck for like 5 posts, so could be a buddy yeah

it was a shitpush though, it doesnt feel like it was on buddy
And then there's Kuroi's push on hebi that started the hebi wagon

Basic doesn't make much sense as an xk buddy either given his push on him

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:45 am

In post 2932, farside22 wrote:You were scum.

i also dont know why you keep repeating this when we're talking about magna

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:46 am

@Cakez Basically my problem right now is that I am townreading everyone but Xk and Basic but I think that those two don't make sense as scum together

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:59 am

In post 2940, farside22 wrote:
In post 2935, Wisdom wrote:
In post 2932, farside22 wrote:Your using meta off one game.
How is that different?
im not using meta at all
All my points towards Magna being town are things that have happened in this game
So you vo5ed him at the beginning because??

Because I didnt like his Maria push, like I said

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:59 am

In post 2941, farside22 wrote:
In post 2937, Wisdom wrote:
In post 2932, farside22 wrote:You were scum.
i also dont know why you keep repeating this when we're talking about magna
Oh and I said that because in that game you were scum. Like I said, town moi analysis more around him.

I was scum, Magna wasnt
So I dont get it

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:00 am

In post 2939, farside22 wrote:
In post 2933, Wisdom wrote:
In post 2932, farside22 wrote:And he didn't do that here.
He didn't even regard anyone else's views day 2.
What's your point?
My point is he tunneled Heat just like he tunneled Maxous
He does tunnel
You still didnt answer my question, if I go through all of your games with town-him I won't find him tunneling on people?
I just recall him doing it as scum.
Idk about town wise. The few game we played he will tunnel if he thinks a player is scum but he does think more and is less bitchy as town.

So basically he does it as town and as scum and you're confbiasing

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:06 am

can you be less stubborn for a moment or two and realize you are just in a deep tunnel
its not hard
it will feel good afterwards

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:24 am

Im not. Im trying to tell you that he tunnels as town and you're just disregarding it because you want him to be scum

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:27 am

In post 2939, farside22 wrote: I just recall him doing it as scum.
Idk about town wise. The few game we played he will tunnel if he thinks a player is scum but he does think more and is less bitchy as town.

Look what you said. You are not denying the possibility he might be tunneling as town, in fact you say that he *will* tunnel if he thinks a player is scum. That's why I responded to this as "so basically he tunnels as town and scum and you're confbiasing" because that's what the gist of this argument is. You are pushing the "he tunnels as scum, he doesn't as town" argument when essentially you don't actually believe this.

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:28 am

and I want you to understand that despite how hostile and asshole-y I might seem what I am doing is trying to get you to stop tunneling. I wish I had someone to do that for me when I'm tunneling.

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:37 am

agreed
But then I dont know who is scum with Basic, I'm townreading everyone else :/

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:39 am

basically I think it's one out of {Xkfyu, Basic} and someone I am wrongly townreading. Maybe Maria?

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:43 am

He voted neither though. Maybe they're both town wagons and he wants to be able to hop onto either.

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:57 am

I dont think Kuroi is scum for the reasons I told Cakez

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:02 am

In post 2961, MariaR wrote:I'm prob chainsaw lynching xk and Moi regardless of flips

VOTE: basic

rereading maria

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:03 am

In post 2962, farside22 wrote:
In post 2960, Wisdom wrote:I dont think Kuroi is scum for the reasons I told Cakez
I'm too tired to think, what did you say about it?

hebi's bullshit push on Kuroi as well as Peregrine using it to call Kuroi a likely hebi buddy make him unlikely to be scum
As well as Kuroi starting the hebi wagon

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:15 am

Why the hell would you chainlynch them?
I gave you a point for Magna-town and you said it's a good point and now you call him scum again?
Not to mention your reason for him-scum is weak to begin with. He is pushing you as scum, so what? I did it too, didn't I? I don't see you scumreading me.

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:16 am

And since we went there, why are you scumreading Xk?

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:31 am

Explain 2 further please. 1 and 3 are bullshit.

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:32 am

farside can argue "meta", however erroneous she is. You can't.

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:34 am

You can't meta with one game, that's bullshit

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:34 am

Explain 2, what interactions are you talking about?

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:38 am

People act differently from game to game, you said it yourself in a response to YAW. Therefore you know it and you're bullshiting me.

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:42 am

So the strongest reason is his interactions with Peregrine? What's wrong with them?

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:47 am

not really. I reacted the same way. Why the hell would you lynch BBT for hammering someone who obviously fakeclaimed?

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:49 am

VOTE: xk

I hate it when people make me defend my scumreads

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:50 am

If Xk flips town I am banking on Basic/Maria

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:00 am

no because hes town

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:11 am

farside i think you're just brushing off my points without even caring about them

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:13 am

like, no. You can't look at Peregrine's post and tell me the first thing that comes to your mind is "he wanted to throw people off kuroi". That's stretching logic to fit with your scumread on Kuroi. The simplest explanation is that Kuroi is not a hebi or a Peregrine buddy.

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:54 am

kuroi's game play is shit always, so yes I will look at things that actually matter when trying to read him

pedit: @farside

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:54 am

no clue what you're trying to say in 2991.

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:58 am

In post 3000, farside22 wrote:and Wisdom is saying she maybe scum with Xkfyu. He says he'd lynch her if he flipped town.
Which makes no sense.

thats not what I said
I said she's likely scum with Basic
I'll still lynch Basic if Xk flips town

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:17 pm

How exactly are you bussing Basic?

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:26 pm

yeah except for the fact you said you will chainlynch MoI and Xk
That's two game days, you can easily push someone else until then

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:29 pm

you can say whatever you want, ill still lynch you when basic flips scum

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:19 pm

Bussing doesnt mean what you think it means

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:26 pm

In post 3015, MariaR wrote:
In post 3014, Wisdom wrote:Bussing doesnt mean what you think it means
Bussing=Calling your scum buddy scum pushing on them going for there lynch etc

Pushing yes, weakly calling them scum isnt

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:35 pm

moi is town farside ffs
It's basic and Maria or xk and someone

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:44 pm

so vote him

VOTE: basic

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:50 pm

^basic's buddy

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:53 pm

there's no deal
You said you'll vote Basic to prove a point and you're not doing it

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:02 pm

exactly. Almost. But you won't vote your buddy when it comes down to it.

Bluff called, scum caught.

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:17 pm

dwlee where's the vca

Wisdom · Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:34 pm

that's all i colored all those vcs for?

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:01 am

VOTE: xk

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:06 am

^lynch this already

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:11 am

My reasoning can be wrong, you're still scum

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:12 am

also I nowhere claimed that's the reason you're scum, so yeah

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:42 am

yeah except I've been scumreading you before that. You not voting Maxous who I thought was scum just made me more confident. The reason you are scum is that you have still done absolutely nothing town. You are skating by.

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:44 am

except it is

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:51 am

In post 3058, Xkfyu wrote:I pushed for a town lynch in D1, and I pushed for a town lynch in D2. The only day that I didn't do as much was D3, when we had a guilty result on my buddy.

fixed

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:53 am

i love having confirmation bias on scum ^^

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:54 am

Interesting that you dont mention Magna and Maria at all though. I guess that's where your buddy lies.

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:03 am

also I'd like to point out that when people I tunnel try to argue I am confbiasing them without a single doubt in their mind that I could actually be scum, they are scum

It makes no sense Xk is still townreading me with zero doubts

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:11 am

yeah its not like i called you a goofball in game of thrones
dont act like its something new

pedit: @kuroi

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:12 am

In post 3065, Xkfyu wrote:I also didn't mention BBT, Dwlee, DGB, farside, Kuroi, nor MOHIS. So, I guess they are all my buddies too?

Magna is your counterwagon and Maria was Magna's push aka the topic of the day. The other people are irrelevant. My point is you are avoiding giving a stance on the important topics.

This

is how you are skating by.

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:13 am

In post 3065, Xkfyu wrote:That's ridiculous. True confirmation bias only ever comes from town.

How do you know it's confirmation bias and it's not me-scum tunneling on you to get a mislynch?
You've not been paranoid of me for one second in the whole game despite me constantly scumreading you and pushing you.
That's not how townies treat me when I tunnel on them.

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:16 am

In post 3065, Xkfyu wrote:Let me ask you one thing.

If I'm scum, then why aren't you dead already? Why kill Mollie when she was town reading me?

Because there are claimed PRs alive and they have priority over me, duh
Besides, it's not like we know you targeted mollie. She was a bodyguard. The more likely scenario is you went for Cakez and she saved him.

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:19 am

I didn't call you a bad player. farside said that your gameplay looks like shit and I pointed out that's the case in all of your games. Or do you disagree that you get scumread all the time for that?

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:30 am

That doesn't make any sense. You are making too many assumptions about how I play as scum without knowing me.

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:30 am

Also, what suspicion? If it wasn't for me shouting for your lynch you'd have zero votes on you.

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:34 am

Vote Xk with me and I will vote Maria with you tomorrow.

pedit: @magna

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:34 am

In post 3078, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 3074, Wisdom wrote:That doesn't make any sense. You are making too many assumptions about how I play as scum without knowing me.
And you are making too many assumptions about how I play as town without knowing me.

I'm not making any and this is a deflection

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:39 am

Basic was voting nobody until a few posts ago
Cakez was voting Kuroi until I got him to switch
Maria is voting Magna and is not switching to you despite what she's saying
MOHIS voted you because he sheeped me
I don't recall Kuroi scumreading you

so yeah
I have made this wagon on you possible, so arguing I wouldn't need to as scum is bullshit

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:41 am

In post 3082, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 3080, Wisdom wrote:
In post 3078, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 3074, Wisdom wrote:That doesn't make any sense. You are making too many assumptions about how I play as scum without knowing me.
And you are making too many assumptions about how I play as town without knowing me.
I'm not making any and this is a deflection
You absolutely are. You are assuming that I should have doubts about you being town, if I'm town. I completely disagree.

I don't need to know you for that. Townies get paranoid when I tunnel on them, scum either try to discredit me or make it look like I'm a derptown who's confbiasing. You're doing the latter.

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:46 am

The fact you keep insisting on this argument just further shows you're scum

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:57 am

I don't buy that claim

Why the hell would a 1-shot vig not use his shot in 3 nights? What is he waiting for, lylo?

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:59 am

that's not necessarily the reason

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:01 am

exactly because we've lynched two scum you are much safer to use it even if you hit town as we can take the loss

you don't make sense

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:01 am

(not to mention that we had not lynched two scum when you didnt use it N1 and N2)

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:05 am

In post 3101, KuroiXHF wrote:With that said, Wisdom, I'm confused as hell by what you're saying. I feel like you've said I was scum, specifically as Hebi or Peregrine's buddy.

no, I said that you're scum because your mollie push made zero sense and you didn't want to understand it after multiple people explaining it to you. However the way the two flipped scum treated you makes me think that's not the case and you were just being yourself.

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:08 am

In post 3101, KuroiXHF wrote:I don't understand your line of logic where you want to Basic super hardcore then from one relatively minor post from Xkfyu, and you're acting like each breath he takes is an insult to you.

I kind of liked Basic's last post. Meanwhile xk's every post is a scumclaim

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:09 am

aaand im back to townreading Maria
this wagon is bullshit

Xk is scum guys, ffs.

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:11 am

there doesnt even need to be one. Gunsmith is simply a weaker role.

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:12 am

The fact is that there's no way Xk doesn't shoot anyone in three nights as 1-shot and his excuses are bullshit. You can't just unvote him because you think there has to be a vig. Look at his play.

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:13 am

Like, with that logic, Peregrine had to be telling the truth about being a tracker because there was a flipped ninja, right?

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:19 am

Why are you townreading Xk?

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:20 am

In post 3117, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 3116, Wisdom wrote:Like, with that logic, Peregrine had to be telling the truth about being a tracker because there was a flipped ninja, right?
PV WAS telling the truth about being a Tracker...

wow
as if that was my point

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:23 am

And because I'm sure the majority are dumbasses who can't read and will think Xk "won" the argument;

My point is that if we lynched people based purely on setup spec assumptions, then we wouldn't lynch Peregrine because "there has to be a Tracker since we had a flipped Ninja". There doesn't have to be a vig. There doesn't have to be anything really to justify the presence of a gunsmith and even if there is, that's not Xk. Xk is scum.

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:30 am

Ok I realize I've been unreasonable. His claim is testable.

We will make Xkfyu shoot someone tonight, and if this someone doesn't die, he's scum and he dies tomorrow.

How does that sound?

UNVOTE:

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:32 am

also I would be lying if I said that Magna's post didn't make me paranoid about him again

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:37 am

we'd still be forcing scum to kill who we want, so win win

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:41 am

it's still favorable if they nokill

He wont be clear if only one kill happens, but scum have to change their schedule and shoot outside who they want to shoot or no-shoot for it to happen, so it's worth it

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:21 am

VOTE: Magna

Shoot Maria.

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:16 am

Fire agree with the plan to have him shoot tonight?

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:59 am

Whyd you unvote magna now

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:06 am

Flavor is not alignment indicative. Scum have fakeclaims.

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:08 am

Xk confirm youll be shooting Maria please. Therell be no excuses tomorrow.

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:33 am

In post 3159, MagnaofIllusion wrote:His play today very much looks like a Maria partner

yeah and instead of getting xk lynched I proposed he shoots maria instead. Solid partner play

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:39 am

In post 3158, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 3156, Wisdom wrote:Xk confirm youll be shooting Maria please. Therell be no excuses tomorrow.
Right now, it's between Maria and Basic.

How about this;
You shoot Maria if Magna flips town
You shoot Basic if Magna flips scum

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:29 am

Are you sure about that? Its not worth testing it?

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:30 am

VOTE: xkfyu

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:33 am

Eh, its not totally impossible theyre both the remaining scum
Magna pushed Maria instead of voting him and Xk voted Basic instead of voting his counterwagon.

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:34 am

But i agree about maria. Shes pretty town in her exchanges with Magna.

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:37 am

Well we have enough days and lynches to get rid of all possibilities

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:03 am

I recall there was an argument against there being a rolecop

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:06 am

In post 2153, MariaR wrote:Also why would mafia even kill a 2 shot doctor if it was role cop that doesn't seem very useful with this many people

In post 2154, Wisdom wrote:huh, that's a good point too
Especially since one shot was used up N1 most likely

In post 2155, Wisdom wrote:maybe instead of rolecop they tracked Ank to their target on N1 and assumed he was full doctor?

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:47 am

If cakez says theres no chance hes town, theres no chance

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:48 am

Maria no, we're lynching him
Did you miss Cakez's post?

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:50 am

Are you both dumb or what

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:52 am

Its blatantly obvious Cakez has role info that makes Xk's claim a scumclaim, ffs

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:54 am

Did you miss when he claimed a result on Peregrine? We already know hes a PR

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:55 am

He doesnt need to claim just like he didnt need to with Peregrine

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:56 am

In post 3208, farside22 wrote:Cakez: how accurate are your results here?

He already said its 100% that xk is scum

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:30 am

What I'm getting from all this silliness is that Kuroi and Maria aren't likely to be Xk's remaining buddy. Scum are more likely to react to your claim like Magna did because they know Xk is doomed. I think it's Magna.

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:31 am

In post 3219, Wisdom wrote:is that Kuroi and Maria aren't likely to be Xk's remaining buddy.

(and farside, but I am not including her as I dont think theres any doubt shes town)

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:40 am

yeah because i make total sense as scum after having pushed all three scum to lynches

wisdom the hyper busser

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:57 am

because the fact I builded the wagon and encouraged people to stop tunneling on Yaw and vote hebi somehow disappeared because I got paranoid in the end, right?

You are not this bad and the fact you're desperately trying to continue this argument just further proves you're scum

And how am I "worried" exactly? You're just trying to paint pictures.

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:07 pm

lol "overanxious"

okay

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:17 pm

no he isnt

Wisdom · Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:05 pm

check radja, maybe this is secretly bastard

Wisdom · Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:56 am

In post 4222, MariaR wrote:So ninja was a red herring and mafia doc was the op maf role....WP

not red herring, i was 1-shot watcher

Wisdom · Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:59 am

In post 4240, MariaR wrote:In my defense I was to busy wondering how tf Max flipped town

this
maxous pls

Wisdom · Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:00 am

also good job shooting me s_s
if you had shot sircakez that night it was game over

Wisdom · Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:49 am

dont we all