The Walking Dead Season 1 Finale (GAME OVER)

[Wisdom]

My question to you is why the fuck would you vote for me for pointing out Farside's out right lie about inspirational mafia and me never using VCA as town?

because farside is town and you focusing on trying to deflect her via omgus instead of a million other things you should be doing feels like bullshit

[farside22]

does that fix the "moiputer" Magna?

Yeah a mod error in the vote counts certainly changes the outcome of my calculations. I'll have to revise on Monday when I get back to my computer.

My question to you is why the fuck would you vote for me for pointing out Farside's out right lie about inspirational mafia and me never using VCA as town?

Unless you think out right fabrication is totally town and I shouldn't point out her doing it.

You should also ask moi when he stared doing vCa.
He didn't do it
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
I'm sure I'll fine more.
I had a feeling it's not something he uses to scum hunt.
Ever.

And this goes to show you that Farside isn't actually looking for the truth but looking to find facts that support her stated worldview.

She's pointing to this game as if it proves I didn't do the MoiPuter as Town. However she didn't bother to look at my Neighborhood (I was a Neighborizor). You can see in -

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

at post 90 I show the MoIputer results. Low and behold the top result was Lowell scum who I went on to lynch the next day.

I can find more examples as needed when I have better access.

I saw you do it as scum, do I need to pull the link there?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=66833

That game you did it to save your scum buddy pre flip.
I think it was magnificent play that no one caught you saying you scum read the spot but never vote him
That's like magic or some junk.

Oh look it's what I said you did with Pere this game.

Magic!

Nice move the goalpost there Far.

In your original post you claimed I never do this as town. And then posted a link to a game where I actually did it as town. My response was to show you you were wrong I do it as town and actually did it in the game you claimed I didn't. Now you go to "oh you do as scum also". I do which means it is not alignment indicative as you were attempting to portray.

So once again you're just trying to find things you think you can show our scummy as opposed to honestly looking.

Oh hey you missed the vast difference between that time and this and how much more analysisingredients of why those vCa moments were scummy.
I'm just saying you do it as scum but, and I say this with love and respect, you town game is 10x more anatilitical then it is here.

Now move on with the omgus attitude. Why don't you share with the class when you were lynched and flipped town.

Yawn. Just repeating that there were vast differences when there are not doesn't make it true.

Appeal to repetition at its finest. Again I hope you are scum this game because if you are town this is just downright sad.

This is hysterical

I'm so getting on my computer to dispute this now

[Wisdom]

So Basic voted Maxous; big deal, Maxous was fucking scummy. What Xkfyu did was way worse. He kept saying he's happy with a Maxous lynch yet he never voted him

Yeah ok, if we aren't lynching Cakez, I'd be happy with a Maxous lynch.

Back at you.
What happens if Xkfyu flips town?

Also why are you not willing to vote kuroi today instead?

because I want xk gone

If he's town then I probably agree it's Kuroi and Basic

At least it's certainly not xk and Basic given Basic's push on xk

[Wisdom]

I mean I'll probably vote Kuroi if it comes down to it

But I'd rather people finally stop letting xk skate by

[MagnaofIllusion]

My question to you is why the fuck would you vote for me for pointing out Farside's out right lie about inspirational mafia and me never using VCA as town?

because farside is town and you focusing on trying to deflect her via omgus instead of a million other things you should be doing feels like bullshit

Showing her push on me is fabricated isnt vote worthy and if you don't understand that go ahead and vote me.

[Wisdom]

its not fabricated and the more you insist on it the more i think youre scum

[Wisdom]

like, i literally typed a vote and deleted it
get it together or i *will* vote you

[farside22]

MOD – I’ll be V/LA from 5pm EDT today until Monday morning for normal weekend duties.

So I ran the first three days lynches through the MoIputer and came up with the following tiers of players, most suspect to least suspect in descending Tier order.

Tier 1 – Wisdom, Maria
Tier 2 – Kuroi, Basic, Sir Cakez, DGB, YAR
Tier 3 – Dwlee, Xkfyu
Tier 4 – BBT, Farside

Don’t ask me to explain in detail how I do it. I’m not going to bother. I don’t expect you to see the end product and just follow along anyway.

That said based on Pere’s pushes on Kuroi and Catdog / Dwlee Days 1 and 2 I don’t feel like pushing either of them today. No matter how stupid Kuroi’s posting at the end of yesterday was.

So combining the MoIputer with my reads yesterday I’m going to start here –

VOTE: MariaR

The slot was off both scum lynch wagons. Maverick’s fade out and replacement I certainly can see from Newb scum who got heat Day 1. Enough for the start of today until I have time to really dig into her ISO and both scum’s looking for associations beyond what I pointed out yesterday about her placement in Pere’s reads list.

because his Maria push is fake as fuck. Has been since yesterday.

Hi. Don't forget to lynch this after I flip Town. Especially in light of Mollie's constant requests for such as she was heavily scum reading Wisdom.

Not claiming - feel free to hammer at will. Amazingly I go V/LA and a quick-wagon appears. Scum definitely on this wagon.

Lynch MariaR / Wisdom / Basic first.

If that doesn't find the last two scum lynch Farside / YAR / DGB

First and foremost mollie was also scum reading Kuroi, which MOI neglects to mention, but the post MOI makes about VCA is just one post and then he has groups that he hasn't explained for any reason at all.
Also if you look at the first post of tiers it has kuroi's name but by the second post it magically disappears as an option.

If you look at the game MOI linked you will see the following:

he explains why he thinks lowell vote is scummy
he discusses exchanges that bother him and why

In short none of this is happening in this game.

[farside22]

its not fabricated and the more you insist on it the more i think youre scum

He is desperate to cling on any little thing because he is scum.

seriously

vote him

[MagnaofIllusion]

MOD – I’ll be V/LA from 5pm EDT today until Monday morning for normal weekend duties.

So I ran the first three days lynches through the MoIputer and came up with the following tiers of players, most suspect to least suspect in descending Tier order.

Tier 1 – Wisdom, Maria
Tier 2 – Kuroi, Basic, Sir Cakez, DGB, YAR
Tier 3 – Dwlee, Xkfyu
Tier 4 – BBT, Farside

Don’t ask me to explain in detail how I do it. I’m not going to bother. I don’t expect you to see the end product and just follow along anyway.

That said based on Pere’s pushes on Kuroi and Catdog / Dwlee Days 1 and 2 I don’t feel like pushing either of them today. No matter how stupid Kuroi’s posting at the end of yesterday was.

So combining the MoIputer with my reads yesterday I’m going to start here –

VOTE: MariaR

The slot was off both scum lynch wagons. Maverick’s fade out and replacement I certainly can see from Newb scum who got heat Day 1. Enough for the start of today until I have time to really dig into her ISO and both scum’s looking for associations beyond what I pointed out yesterday about her placement in Pere’s reads list.

because his Maria push is fake as fuck. Has been since yesterday.

Hi. Don't forget to lynch this after I flip Town. Especially in light of Mollie's constant requests for such as she was heavily scum reading Wisdom.

Not claiming - feel free to hammer at will. Amazingly I go V/LA and a quick-wagon appears. Scum definitely on this wagon.

Lynch MariaR / Wisdom / Basic first.

If that doesn't find the last two scum lynch Farside / YAR / DGB

First and foremost mollie was also scum reading Kuroi, which MOI neglects to mention, but the post MOI makes about VCA is just one post and then he has groups that he hasn't explained for any reason at all.
Also if you look at the first post of tiers it has kuroi's name but by the second post it magically disappears as an option.

If you look at the game MOI linked you will see the following:

he explains why he thinks lowell vote is scummy
he discusses exchanges that bother him and why

In short none of this is happening in this game.

Oh you mean all the stuff I said I would do when I actually can be at a computer when I'm back from VLA? Seriously this is pathetic far side.

[farside22]

You should also ask moi when he stared doing vCa

.
He didn't do it
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
I'm sure I'll fine more.
I had a feeling it's not something he uses to scum hunt.
Ever.

You should also ask moi when he stared doing vCa.
He didn't do it
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
I'm sure I'll fine more.
I had a feeling it's not something he uses to scum hunt.
Ever.

And this goes to show you that Farside isn't actually looking for the truth but looking to find facts that support her stated worldview.

She's pointing to this game as if it proves I didn't do the MoiPuter as Town. However she didn't bother to look at my Neighborhood (I was a Neighborizor). You can see in -

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

at post 90 I show the MoIputer results. Low and behold the top result was Lowell scum who I went on to lynch the next day.

I can find more examples as needed when I have better access.

By the way what I asked was in bold.
MOI is clearly spinning this as I said he never did it and I don't know anyone who searches every game a player plays. I just picked one and looked to see if it was normal. I don't do indepth research. I don't have that kind of time any more.

[farside22]

MOD – I’ll be V/LA from 5pm EDT today until Monday morning for normal weekend duties.

So I ran the first three days lynches through the MoIputer and came up with the following tiers of players, most suspect to least suspect in descending Tier order.

Tier 1 – Wisdom, Maria
Tier 2 – Kuroi, Basic, Sir Cakez, DGB, YAR
Tier 3 – Dwlee, Xkfyu
Tier 4 – BBT, Farside

Don’t ask me to explain in detail how I do it. I’m not going to bother.

I don’t expect you to see the end product and just follow along anyway.

That said based on Pere’s pushes on Kuroi and Catdog / Dwlee Days 1 and 2 I don’t feel like pushing either of them today. No matter how stupid Kuroi’s posting at the end of yesterday was.

So combining the MoIputer with my reads yesterday I’m going to start here –

VOTE: MariaR

The slot was off both scum lynch wagons. Maverick’s fade out and replacement I certainly can see from Newb scum who got heat Day 1. Enough for the start of today until I have time to really dig into her ISO and both scum’s looking for associations beyond what I pointed out yesterday about her placement in Pere’s reads list.

because his Maria push is fake as fuck. Has been since yesterday.

Hi. Don't forget to lynch this after I flip Town. Especially in light of Mollie's constant requests for such as she was heavily scum reading Wisdom.

Not claiming - feel free to hammer at will. Amazingly I go V/LA and a quick-wagon appears. Scum definitely on this wagon.

Lynch MariaR / Wisdom / Basic first.

If that doesn't find the last two scum lynch Farside / YAR / DGB

First and foremost mollie was also scum reading Kuroi, which MOI neglects to mention, but the post MOI makes about VCA is just one post and then he has groups that he hasn't explained for any reason at all.
Also if you look at the first post of tiers it has kuroi's name but by the second post it magically disappears as an option.

If you look at the game MOI linked you will see the following:

he explains why he thinks lowell vote is scummy
he discusses exchanges that bother him and why

In short none of this is happening in this game.

Oh you mean all the stuff I said I would do when I actually can be at a computer when I'm back from VLA? Seriously this is pathetic far side.

I'm sorry I can't hear you over the bold part currently.

[farside22]

Hows that V/LA going anyways MOI?



I'll point out the push on Sir Cakez next if you want.
And the question you never responded to that I asked.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Hows that V/LA going anyways MOI?



I'll point out the push on Sir Cakez next if you want.
And the question you never responded to that I asked.

Phone posting while I'm in the car driving with my family but cute of you to try to present to the scummy.

I also like that you point out the bolded with that I'm not going to explain the VCA mechanics as why I'm not going to explain why Maria is scummy. I mean it's actually completely incorrect but so is your assertion that I never use the VCA town that you then go post move to say oh it's a different situation.

Keep moving the goalposts and misrepresenting in your attempt to get this Mislynch far side.

[Wisdom]

That said based on Pere’s pushes on Kuroi and Catdog / Dwlee Days 1 and 2 I don’t feel like pushing either of them today. No matter how stupid Kuroi’s posting at the end of yesterday was.

you literally quoted it, farside. Seriously.

[MagnaofIllusion]

like, i literally typed a vote and deleted it
get it together or i *will* vote you

Then vote me. My flip provides further evidence of who needs to get lynched.

[Wisdom]

not really it doesnt
Maria is town, I am town, and farside is town
I know you can be better than that

[farside22]

Well since Mollie has decided to ignore my question and apparently doesn’t want my help in pushing Wisdom I’ll just keep forging ahead with scum-hunting in other places …

Hebi also ignoring 696 makes me even more comfortable with my vote. And since she’s responded to posts after that one I can only assume it was deliberate. Last I checked we needed 3 more votes. Let’s get this done and swing scum.

I mean 733 looks pretty fake to me given she has a Null rating and yet doesn’t bother to include Maverick, DGB or myself anywhere on her reads list.

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The only thing I like about hebichan is his mollie vote

Mollie isn’t getting lynched today. Join the Hebi wagon and lynch scum and I’ll help you out on Mollie tomorrow if she isn’t dead or Mod confirmed overnight.

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i don't think i gave one previously?

I'm very unsure about SC.
I would lean the scum side of null simply based on how long he has sat on the farside wagon for no reason.

I didn’t know if you had or not but wanted to know your read regardless.

So the issue I have is that at the time I asked the question YAR, hebi and Cakez were the leading wagons. As much as I think dualing scum wagons on Day 1 of a Large are possible I don’t think all three leading wagons are going to be scum unless this is some sort of Multiball scenario which we will not have any clue about until at least Day 2.

So you think all three of those wagons stand a chance of being on scum, even with a weaker Cakez read. Gun to your head which of YAR or Hebi do you think would be Town if you suddenly knew only 1 could be scum?

Also given the following bolded (which I think is absolutely a valid thing to think)

MagnaofIllusion - seems fine I guess. nothing scummy to note.

I don't think he has done anything he wouldn't be capable of faking as scum

which is why it's a fairly light town-read.

Why are you solidly Town reading BBT for traits that are 100% easily faked as scum? And I don’t buy “he would not be more passive Day 1” for a second given BBT’s earlier back and forth with me about his previous activity levels the last 6 months.

I get the feeling that they are more concerned with defending themselves from the lynch than they are with solving the game.

YAR has been either the leading wagon or a strongly competing wagon for much of the day. Do you expect them not to defend themselves at all in that position? If yes do you think your perception might by that reality?

All the “Mollie contradicted herself” talk needs to end. It only makes sense if you choose a very narrow reading of both posts steeped in confirm bias of her being scum as you read.

Basic needs to come through shortly on the promise of content in 1592.

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Sitting down to catch up tonight. Had unexpected doctor's appts come up.

Oh look another empty post and promise of content that didn’t arrive …

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I don't understand your issue Magna.

Well either your reading comprehension skills are lower than I thought or you are playing dumb.

Either you believe Sir Cakez is Town in which case there is no way that YAW could be scum with Hebi and the wagon that existed on Cakez just fades with scum choosing to cross-vote each other as I showed in 1316 over voting Cakez …

Or

All three wagons are on scum [YAW, Hebi, Cakez] which makes no sense since scum would not have chosen to sacrifice their Ninja over whichever of the other two has a weaker role (and that is a basic truth given any strength in set-up analysis). And all three could have been pushed to lynch with scum’s help.

So I don’t think your YAW stance makes any logical sense. And despite your claim you look more scummy for that.

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Just one thing I noted.
If wis is scum this game I'd say that YAW is scum too since wis didn't vote for them on day 1 to save herbi.

Same thing I pointed out to BBT above I want you to comment on farside. Please do so when you get a chance.

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I think so. I took it as "neither alignment" as it cld mean either/or. am i wrong?

It means that it doesn’t make any sense for either alignment. I mean as Town BBT could have kept the read back to see if a push developed on DBG for being a useless lurksack and tried to find scum in that push but didn’t bother. And as scum claiming like that is pretty suboptimal for a number of reasons.

So it is a big fat Not Alignment Indicative pile of uselessness for me.

I wld really appreciate if you looked at the game but I kinda feel like you need a comparison to clarify, which is why if you are in the spirit of looking up other games I wld really like for you to look up other games.

Link them.

Because my role will become basically useless if claimed

Nah, my role is extremely obvious town

I can't say that I'm a fan of you softing a claim that's supposedly obv-Town but will be useless if fully claimed ....

Why do I get the impression people care more about sir Cakez claim then Pere scum.
Nice that Pere gets to do lurks a lot play with barely a push from some people.

Why exactly do you post this Farside? Total serious question.

Because Pere's complete absence from the thread means any questions or pressure directed at him are pointless until he returns. You have to understand this. And as I've now pointed out multiple times the only reason I haven't vote him is that I don't want the Day ending before my V/LA ends so I can dig into multiple things I've pointed out (like, for example, wanting to dig into the push on Ank yesterday).

So aside from light shade throwing I don't get the purpose of your post. Should SirCakez be off-limits as far as examining and commenting on his soft-claim? What's my takeaway?

Why do I get the impression people care more about sir Cakez claim then Pere scum.
Nice that Pere gets to do lurks a lot play with barely a push from some people.

Why exactly do you post this Farside? Total serious question.

Because Pere's complete absence from the thread means any questions or pressure directed at him are pointless until he returns. You have to understand this. And as I've now pointed out multiple times the only reason I haven't vote him is that I don't want the Day ending before my V/LA ends so I can dig into multiple things I've pointed out (like, for example, wanting to dig into the push on Ank yesterday).

So aside from light shade throwing I don't get the purpose of your post. Should SirCakez be off-limits as far as examining and commenting on his soft-claim? What's my takeaway?

Your pressing for a claim
Like walk me through when you were scum reading sir Cakez during the game and maybe I'd think you were more serious then this.

Question I asked that didn't get responded to.

Hows that V/LA going anyways MOI?



I'll point out the push on Sir Cakez next if you want.
And the question you never responded to that I asked.

Phone posting while I'm in the car driving with my family but cute of you to try to present to the scummy.

I also like that you point out the bolded with that I'm not going to explain the VCA mechanics as why I'm not going to explain why Maria is scummy. I mean it's actually completely incorrect but so is your assertion that I never use the VCA town that you then go post move to say oh it's a different situation.

Keep moving the goalposts and misrepresenting in your attempt to get this Mislynch far side.

I was trying to be cute to lighten the mood.
Dear lord man are you always pissy when you are scum?

That said based on Pere’s pushes on Kuroi and Catdog / Dwlee Days 1 and 2 I don’t feel like pushing either of them today. No matter how stupid Kuroi’s posting at the end of yesterday was.

you literally quoted it, farside. Seriously.

Ummm that doesn't change the teir of who to lynch there Wisdom.


Anyways the above quotes show that MOI was town reading SC, but when he soft claim was trying to get the info from him, which is scummy in itself.

[Dwlee99]

Imma VCA cause Im pretty decent at it and computers arent

[Wisdom]

Ummm that doesn't change the teir of who to lynch there Wisdom.

how does it not?

Tier 1 – Wisdom, Maria
Tier 2 – Kuroi, Basic, Sir Cakez, DGB, YAR
Tier 3 – Dwlee, Xkfyu
Tier 4 – BBT, Farside

Lynch MariaR / Wisdom / Basic first.

If that doesn't find the last two scum lynch Farside / YAR / DGB

So basically lynch the whole tier 1 and tier 2 minus Kuroi and Cakez which he explained plus you

There isn't a contradiction here, don't try to force one

[Dwlee99]

wisdom Im decent at VCA right?

[farside22]

Ummm that doesn't change the teir of who to lynch there Wisdom.

how does it not?

Tier 1 – Wisdom, Maria
Tier 2 – Kuroi, Basic, Sir Cakez, DGB, YAR
Tier 3 – Dwlee, Xkfyu
Tier 4 – BBT, Farside

Lynch MariaR / Wisdom / Basic first.

If that doesn't find the last two scum lynch Farside / YAR / DGB

So basically lynch the whole tier 1 and tier 2 minus Kuroi and Cakez which he explained plus you

There isn't a contradiction here, don't try to force one

He was talking about after he was lynched in the second post.
Like you don't just take a player off the table forever because you are lynched.
Also you missed BBT on there. If BBT is a town read on tier 4 DGB should be since she is cleared.

Again the analysis makes no sense.

Not sure where you see it does.

[Wisdom]

Anyways the above quotes show that MOI was town reading SC, but when he soft claim was trying to get the info from him, which is scummy in itself.

no the above quotes show that MoI didnt think all 3 D1 wagons were on scum
It doesnt say anywhere that he thought Cakez is town
And given Cakez's claim made me paranoid too and I'm town, yes the pushing for the claim can come from town

[Wisdom]

wisdom Im decent at VCA right?

vca is shit

[Dwlee99]

Nu uh