The Walking Dead Season 1 Finale (GAME OVER)

[Xkfyu]

I thought you guys were gonna wait until I got back to start posting?

*Sighs*

Going to get caught up.

[Xkfyu]

Lol @ Kuroi's hatred of sheeping. I'm having flashbacks of DC Dual Universe...

People sheep dude, exspecially on this site. It's probably time you come to terms with that.

On that note, I think I'll sheep BBT.

VOTE: Young and Witless

[Xkfyu]

YAW probably would of put more effort into the defense if they were buddies with SC.

I don't know. I tend to think the exact opposite.

I could see him slightly defending his buddy to test the waters or what not, but if he doesn't gain any traction on his defense, I'd expect him to back off.

[Xkfyu]

YAW probably would of put more effort into the defense if they were buddies with SC.

I don't know. I tend to think the exact opposite.

I could see him slightly defending his buddy to test the waters or what not, but if he doesn't gain any traction on his defense, I'd expect him to back off.

So not really a sheep vote, huh?

If I agree with someone's reasoning, and vote with them because of it, is that not sheeping?

[Xkfyu]

Alright, so I've mostly skimmed to catch up.

I saw the cases against Cakez, YAW, and something about Mollie being scum (but I forgot what it was now), is there anything important that I missed?

[Xkfyu]

Not in my book. Sheeping usually involves some sort of trust in the other other player, however temporary. Agreeing with someone's reasoning is just that.

Fair enough.

I agree with BBT then.

Thoughts on OtherHeadIsScum use of Appeal to Emotion.

Where? I don't remember any AtE. I just remember FB making his usual D1 troll posts.

[Xkfyu]

Thoughts on OtherHeadIsScum use of Appeal to Emotion.

Where? I don't remember any AtE. I just remember FB making his usual D1 troll posts.

Okay, you ATE as town then. I guess that is more factually accurate. Regardless, I have personally mislynched you because of your ATEing.

When I feel like it's tactical, it's scummy.
When I feel like it's sincere, it can make people a townread.

However, it almost always feels tactical- like now

.

can you give me an example?
i'm a bit confused by this

-

regarding SC, I get why people are voting him but i'm not overly convinced. we'll see.

54 and 55

I'd call that pretty null for FB.

In order for it to have been tactical, like you said, there would need to be something to gain from it, and I'm not seeing how that's the case in those two posts.

[Xkfyu]

And that's a secondary issue I don't know how to parse. For all of that, he takes it back to the realm of 60

Like I said, normal D1 trolling for FB.

[Xkfyu]

And that's a secondary issue I don't know how to parse. For all of that, he takes it back to the realm of 60

Like I said, normal D1 trolling for FB.

You are rude.

~Fire

Lol so it's suddenly rude to speak the truth all of a sudden?

[Xkfyu]

Lol so it's suddenly rude to speak the truth all of a sudden?

The truth is often very rude.

~Fire

The truth is neither good nor bad. The truth simply is.

(or something like that)

[Xkfyu]

And that's a secondary issue I don't know how to parse. For all of that, he takes it back to the realm of 60

Like I said, normal D1 trolling for FB.

You are rude.

~Fire

Lol so it's suddenly rude to speak the truth all of a sudden?

This sounds scummy, but I like this line.
Are you with SirCakez or something?

Or maybe I'm off. I see this as scummy because I'd probably say something similar to that. Then again, I play differently than everyone else.

I don't get it. Was there a conclusion in all of that that I somehow missed?

I'd like to respond, but I'm not sure how...

[Xkfyu]

lmao

What's funny? I like to laugh too.

[Xkfyu]

Magna wants to PL me

Honestly, he has a point.

[Xkfyu]

>.<
meta is useful....

It's really not.

[Xkfyu]

<.<
>.>

Well, this debate will never be settled, so let's move on.

Your top 2 town and scum reads please?

[Xkfyu]

I would like to say more but honestly, too many of this game are very null to me here.

I think IPS or YAW are the most likely scum as of now.

As for town-reads, I like what BBT is doing. Vedith/FB hydra feels like town.

That's.. pretty much it

You think IPS is scum because of what you posted in post 34?

[Xkfyu]

@Cakez, what's your opinion on this:

@cakes #180 dude, you know why I am so tired right now. We can talk about it later, but yes, it is good enough xD.

[Xkfyu]

PV looks town (not his scum meta at all, and I don't think PV is one to adapt to his meta)

Dare I ask?

To hell with it. I just can't resist...

What exactly does PV's scum meta look like?

[Xkfyu]

lurksack with 0 content posts
He's already producing content here

So, you believe that PV is some Mafia playing automaton that doesn't deviate at all from his lurking ways when he is scum?

See? I knew I was gonna regret asking that question.

[Xkfyu]

Lol ok fine.

I just can't do this with you right now. I knew I shouldn't have even asked.

[Xkfyu]

Lol ok fine.

I just can't do this with you right now. I knew I shouldn't have even asked.

You ever gonna post anything content related...

my townread pool is super small right now.

As a matter of fact, I'm getting my reads together right now.

[Xkfyu]

Ok so, I have town reads on BBT and MoI.

The way BBT questioned YAW's town read on him, and the way he continued to follow up on it makes me think he is town. Plus, post 162 is the kind of blatantly flippant post that I tend to town read.

I agree with his "willing to lynch" philosophy in respect to MoI in post 268, but even if I didn't, I'd still think it was coming more from a town mindset.

I am also leaning slightly town on Kuroi, based on our interaction earlier. It was weird. Almost too weird to have been faked.

My only real scum read is YAW right now, but I could see me supporting a Mollie lynch, for the ridiculous soft claim.

Everyone else is pretty much null for me.

[Xkfyu]

Is it ok to town read beeboy now?

[Xkfyu]

Ok I'll wait.

[Xkfyu]

So the thing is.
My record at reading Cakez is abysmal. I've found that if I want to scumread him he's probably town, and if I want to townread him he's probably scum.
The problem being that even when I tried to apply this rule I still arrived at the wrong result.
So, like, I see why people don't like my reasoning. But maybe people (BBT, Xkfyu and TD in particular) can talk to me about their reads on Cakez instead of just calling mine fake.

For the record, I am more concerned about your reasoning for town reading BBT, than your defense of Cakez, though that certainly didn't help.

I have actually had similar problems as you have in reading Cakez in the past. Eerily similar, in fact. That's why I don't really bother wasting my time trying to read him early on, and he usually stays in my "null/willing to lynch" pile, until I finally have to read him, or until I see something that completely convinces me of his alignment.

So, actually, having said that, yeah, I am more concerned about your town read on Cakez here, as I don't think anyone having such a similar outlook on Cakez as I do should be town reading him right now.

[Xkfyu]

So you're saying that people who have trouble reading Cakez shouldn't even attempt to read him early on, and it's scummy even to try?
And talk to me about BBT if you don't like that read. What's your read on him?

I'm not saying it's scummy to try. I'm saying it's scummy to force a town read, which is exactly what it looked like, especially considering the town read came after Cakez came under pressure.

As for BBT, I've already stated that I have a town read on him and why, in post 332. So again, I feel like the reason is bogus. There isn't anything in post 143 that I don't think BBT would say as scum, and when he rightly questioned you on this, you just hand-waived it.

[Xkfyu]

`Who or what is UTL?

UpTooLate

Half of the CatDog hydra.

[Xkfyu]

What's that supposed to mean?

[Xkfyu]

Agreed.

[Xkfyu]

Why is Mollie still on Kuroi when it ended long ago? Seriously, there's newer things to comment on like the YaW wagon (which I kinda want to join but I really don't like Mollie's play more than I like the YaW wagon).

I don't like the amount of meta and half-baked faux-assertive stances in this game thus far. Trying to appeal her case as town by associating with someone who townreads her (#380) is just weak and looks like 'why me'. The fluff questions (and I shan't be letting this go, I'm very firm on this) were exactly that. Finding out how Kuroi organises his thoughts is bollocks, frankly and when you combine that with a weak link to meta that really says nothing much at all it looks very forced, like Mollie is trying to look like she's doing shit, which she ain't.

#386 looks like a forced attempt at playing into Townie Recklessness and I dislike how obtuse Mollie is being. It's like she's trying to be arrogantly tough to read, which to me just stands out as scum.

I'd really appreciate more people looking at and commenting on Mollie and Kuroi please. This and YaW ought to be the wagons today and I'm reasonably happy to see this through to completion today.

I agree with you about 380, but I disagree with you about 386. That one looked genuine to me.

I came away from the Mollie vs Kuroi spat no better than I went in. Though, that's probably mostly because I didn't pay much attention to it. Neither side made very much sense to me.

Add to the above the softclaim earlier in the game and I really think we need to pressure this much further.

Yeah, I still don't get the soft claim either, and really, I still don't like it, but I think I want to see where it leads. So, I don't think I'm interested in lynching her right now.

Care to join us on the YAW wagon?

[Xkfyu]

MAverick #420 is a terrible post, that is all, carry on.

What was wrong with it?

[Xkfyu]

You're asking why is flailing scummy?

Do you think I have any trouble coming up with reasons for reads as scum?

Maverick is probably town.

Because both heads town-read SC and both heads flailed when trying to explain their town read.

Why is this scummy?
-smart

why does this sound like creature and not ss

-smart

yanno

I was just sheeping bbt cos I townread him and it sounded like a good idea at the time and I wasn't sure of what else to do cos this game has thrown up what might be a lot of false positives for me so I am trying to muddle my way through that but omg you really are scum aren't you

Out of all the reasons to be convinced that YAW is scum, this is what sold you?

[Xkfyu]

why yes. yes it is.

Ok...why?

What was it about that post that has you so convinced suddenly?

[Xkfyu]

why yes. yes it is.

Ok...why?

What was it about that post that has you so convinced suddenly?

it is cos I don't get the feeling that I am talking to ss. I feel like I am talking to creature.

That's the second time you've mentioned that.

To be clear, you're just saying that you think SS is playing more like Creature, and therefore you're scum reading them?

You're not saying that you believe Creature is posting, but pretending to be SS, right?

[Xkfyu]

Why are you being so weird?

[Xkfyu]

But to answer your question, I think that would be an absurd reason to scum read a hydra slot.

[Xkfyu]

But to answer your question, I think that would be an absurd reason to scum read a hydra slot.

why?

Assuming that's actually what they are doing, and it works out for them, and we never catch on, what would they gain from it?

[Xkfyu]

Like, show me one scenario in which that slot is caught as scum, and one of them says "Man, if only we had signed our posts backwards, we wouldn't be in this predicament."

[Xkfyu]

Are you just messing with me, Mollie? Because I kinda feel like that's what's going on.

[Xkfyu]

Like, show me one scenario in which that slot is caught as scum, and one of them says "Man, if only we had signed our posts backwards, we wouldn't be in this predicament."

no1 has actually said that but I can show you games where 1 hydra head pretended to be the other 1 and they turned out to be scum

First off, yes, links please. I would like to see that, if for nothing more than entertainment value.

Secondly, did they do it BECAUSE they were scum?

Because if they didn't, it can't be considered scum indicative.

[Xkfyu]

For Xkfyu, I liked in 255 how he didn't back down from what he was saying despite his terminology being challenged, and I think the way he was trying to get reads out of people without caring how it makes him look reminds me of his towngame.

I remember us talking about this exact thing in Math's Mafia.

However, did we not also have a conversation about how you should never use meta when trying to read me?

[Xkfyu]

Scum are much more often self-conscious than town.

In your opinion, is there much difference between being "self-conscious" and being "self-aware?"

[Xkfyu]

being difficult to work with is a scumtell?

this whole case is weak

You got something better?

[Xkfyu]

Exactly
Would have been a super easy hop on for them as scum there

Why aren't you considering the possibility that there were already scum on your wagon, or at least already scum reading you?

[Xkfyu]

V/LA for the weekend

[Xkfyu]

There probably were, but I don't see why 1 scum would avoid an easy wagon on me unless the entire scum team was already there or something. Which I doubt.

Fair enough.

[Xkfyu]

Yeah sure, I'll just take that fall for Cakez and YAW.

What does this mean?

Scum flailing.

Oh the irony...

[Xkfyu]

Why is Yaw a scum read?

Before that post, I had already talked about how I agreed with BBT's case against them.

[Xkfyu]

the player i replaced makes me wish I didn't replace him. God I hate players like that on a personal level when they are town.

Well, he probably sucked.

[Xkfyu]

I'm leaning town on mollie (though I've never seen her scumgame, so I'm a bit paranoid).

Wisdom feels slightly off to me too after I tried searching out the YAW case, but I don't think the weird feeling I got from his posts are worth pursuing unless they keep continuing as such.

What posts gave you a weird feeling?
-smart

These are the ones I'm weirded out by:

How is it different than any other kuroi approach

being difficult to work with is a scumtell?

this whole case is weak

why are you confused that I would scum-read her for this?

you're not voting her though

I don't get this. Can you explain what you didn't like about those posts?

[Xkfyu]

Never mind my previous post. You're already answered it.

[Xkfyu]

Wisdom's final post has the same type of tone as the second one; it's a weird observation to point out since Maxous has been adamant in scumreading YAW, who he is already voting for.

True;combined with the previous post, this is me essentially telling maxous to vote hebichan and stop voting YAW for awful reaaons

Youre not necessarily wrong in that im trying to affect the game to my liking, youre wrong in that it makes me scum

Yeah, wisdom is town.

[Xkfyu]

I was pretty out of touch this past weekend. Can someone remind me what the case on Hebichan is?

[Xkfyu]

hm

UNVOTE: KuroiXHF

@mollie: convince me on YAW?

What was this sudden unvote about, Ank? It seemed kinda awkward.

[Xkfyu]

I'm going to do this a bit different.
Mostly ask questions and put a list together.


Mollie: why is it scummy that Krio doesn't know how many games he's been scum?
Peregrine what are your current reads and why?


Town
myotherheadisscum
Catdog
Young/witless
Moi

Leaning town:
Beeboy
hebichan
Maverick
TD

Null
Peregrine
Sircakes
Bbt
Mollie


Scum

max
Kurbio

Stop on page 12
Bbt tunneling seems off to me.
Mollies question to Kurio was out of the blue and I haven't seen her question others.
Max from what I recall is very obviously town and I've seen nothing that reads town thus far.

Did I really leave that little of an impression on you that you don't even include me in your read list?

[Xkfyu]

Yeah sure, I'll just take that fall for Cakez and YAW.

What does this mean?

Scum flailing.

That doesn't even make sense. Explain.

[Xkfyu]

As or YAW, I just see a guy trying to figure the game out.

You aren't the first person to mention this, but I don't agree.

I get the feeling that they are more concerned with defending themselves from the lynch than they are with solving the game.

[Xkfyu]

If we lynch YAW and they flip scum, you know you're getting lynched next, right?

If we lynch YAW and they flip scum, I would be much more concerned about those that were pivotal to starting the hebichan counter wagon.

[Xkfyu]

Mollie, in your opinion, are you any good at faking frustration?

[Xkfyu]

YAW are doing surface level 'scum-hunting'. Asking general/busy questions (which they don't seem to care about the response to) and stating reads to make it look like they're doing stuff.

I agree, which is why I believe they are more concerned with defending themselves than actual scum hunting.

[Xkfyu]

The only thing I like about hebichan is his mollie vote

And what is it about Mollie that you didn't like? The early soft claim?

[Xkfyu]

Then you aren't reading my posts. What do you think about Ankamius?

Undecided.

I'll figure out it once he's answered my questions.

[Xkfyu]

it out*

[Xkfyu]

I've been speaking to Ankamius about this for a while now. Check my ISO.

You seem to have been trying to elude to something from a previous game. That much I got.

What I don't understand is if there is something that convinced Ank to unvote you, I don't see why either of you would keep that under wraps.

[Xkfyu]

lets lynch YAW?

Uh...yes please.

[Xkfyu]

hm

UNVOTE: KuroiXHF

@mollie: convince me on YAW?

What was this sudden unvote about, Ank? It seemed kinda awkward.

His responses to me don't look like scum responses.

Can you elaborate a little? That doesn't really tell me a lot.

[Xkfyu]

Mollie, in your opinion, are you any good at faking frustration?

I am not good at faking it, no. my emotions are usually genuine and are not alignment dependent but I have been told I am a lot nicer as scum. so I have been trying to work on being nicer as town. but for some strange reason I keep getting scumread.

You know, I think I actually believe you.

[Xkfyu]

Yeah. Ankamius is town. When I was scum with him in ASOIAF Mafia, I seem to remember him largely flying under the radar.

I don't understand what exactly you mean by this, but activity level is not alignment-indicative for me if that's roughly what you mean.

I think you're wrong and that kind of statement is like people saying, "My scum game sounds just like my town game." I'm sure people mean it when they say it, but they're wrong.

I've had just about every level of activity possible except for extreme levels of spam as both alignments. You'll have to try harder than that to prove that it's an alignment-indicative thing.

Don't worry. I have no intentions to fight for your survival. Neither did I clarify how town I think you are. Right now, you're only safe to assume that as of right now, I won't vote you.

See? This is what I'm talking about. Is it just me, or do the interactions between Ank and Kuroi seem strange?

[Xkfyu]

VOTE: kuroi

Not feeling the hebichan lynch anymore

As much as I agree with you there, I don't see anyone else seeing him as scum.
I don't see anything hebichan did that's town.

I could vote Kuroi if the YAW lynch really isn't gonna happen. I'd probably prefer lynching him over hebichan.

[Xkfyu]

In post 757, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 729, CatDog wrote:
lets lynch YAW?

Uh...yes please.

Why are you still scumreading me? Are you still just sheeping BBT?

No, I'm still agreeing with BBT (lest Peregrine gets on me for using the wrong terminology).

[Xkfyu]

Speaking of tunneling...

Kuroi, what prompted your hebichan scum read again?

[Xkfyu]

Speaking of tunneling...

Kuroi, what prompted your hebichan scum read again?

And who are your other scum reads at this point?

[Xkfyu]

@something smart

: is there a specific reason you keep asking questions that you don't care what the answer is or if it's answered at all?

i don't see you doing in this previous town games. I actually checked

Oh! Me! Me! Me! I got the answer!

What's the answer BBT?

[Xkfyu]

I don't get it. Doesn't the whole "tunneling is bad" argument only hold water under the assumption that the tunneled player is town?

Do you guys really think YAW is town?

[Xkfyu]

In post 511, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 501, Young and Witless wrote:
For Xkfyu, I liked in 255 how he didn't back down from what he was saying despite his terminology being challenged, and I think the way he was trying to get reads out of people without caring how it makes him look reminds me of his towngame.

I remember us talking about this exact thing in Math's Mafia.

What do you mean by this Xk?

At the beginning of Math's Mafia (we were both town), we had equally strong town reads on each other. He ended up scum reading me later on because even though I was active and whatnot, he didn't see anything especially townie in my posts. To which I responded something to the effect of "I never make any real effort to look town, or to avoid looking scummy, I just post what I think I need to post to solve the game."

So, I knew what he was talking about when he said he was town reading me. The problem was, well two problems really.

1. That was just one game, and as far as I can remember, this is the only other game that we've played together in.
2. We also talked a great deal in that game about how trying to meta read me would be pointless, to which I supplied a bunch of links to support that, and someone (I don't think it was Smart, though) agreed. So he should know better than to try and use meta to read me.

[Xkfyu]

Tell me, why do you think hebichan is town?

I never said I thought hebichan is town.

Your original scum read on YAW was sheeping BBT. It then advanced after others put effort in against YAW.

No, it has remained constant ever since I initially voted them.

What's your problem with the other two quotes? You just trying to doubtcast now?

[Xkfyu]

In post 709, Xkfyu wrote:
I get the feeling that they are more concerned with defending themselves from the lynch than they are with solving the game.

YAR has been either the leading wagon or a strongly competing wagon for much of the day. Do you expect them not to defend themselves at all in that position? If yes do you think your perception might by that reality?

I have no problems with them defending themselves. The difference is that I think that it's their main concern.

I'm seeing too much "I'm not scum because...." when I should be seeing "Player A is scum because..."

[Xkfyu]

Actually no

Hebichan's post on this page is town

UNVOTE:

Really? How so?

I was actually considering voting her.

[Xkfyu]

Maxous has been going back and forth on me and YAW for most of the game. Some of the time he says my wagon looks nicer and some times he feels like YAW is the best.
It genuinely feels like he's keeping his options open for towncred.

For those (yes, mainly DGB) who think the following thought process is from Town let's read carefully.

Hebi is asserting that Maxous is keeping his options open between YAR and Hebi for

TOWNCRED

.

I've capitalized and bolded the important word.

How, from a Town perspective, does Hebi expect that Max is keeping the option open between the two of them to get Towncred? By jumping to a hypoTown Hebi lynch? He's not going to get Towncred for that. From staying on a YAR lynch if Hebi's goes through? He's not going to get Town cred for that even if YAR is scum ... Max has been too passive and not pushing YAR hard.

The only way Max should be keeping his options open for Towncred is if Hebi is scum and Max can eventually shift from YAR to Hebi to help a successful scum lynch (bus or honest move either way this is the only scenario that makes sense).

Town Hebi should not have come up with that scenario and say Max is looking for Towncred. Scum Hebi on the other hand ...

That's precisely how I read it as well, and why I'm probably just gonna vote her.

[Xkfyu]

In post 770, Xkfyu wrote:
Speaking of tunneling...

Kuroi, what prompted your hebichan scum read again?

This next quote should answer that:
In post 150, KuroiXHF wrote:
7. hebichan - 20 - I don't like this. Nothing concrete, but it gives me a bad vibe.

That's why you've been voting hebichan all this time?!

[Xkfyu]

I was wrong about BBT, I can tell he's town now that he's stopped goofing around

What changed? Be specific in what makes you think I'm town.

Specifically, your YAW push, although I disagree with it

Had this in a separate tab

ebwop, damn quote tags got jacked up

Man, I was really confused when I saw the previous post.

Anyways, if you don't agree with BBT's push on YAW, what was it that you liked about it?

[Xkfyu]

town

magna
bbt
far
max
ank
xfkyu

if anybody needs me to explain these reads I will. I am a bit unsure on xfkyu but I am putting him in the town pile cos I do lean town on him, I am just not that confident in my ability to read him.

unsure

mav - I think mebbe town? but I am pretty unsure and he disappeared so the read has weakened but I am thinking that mav wld not be quite so confrontational with me if he were scum.
kuroi - I am wondering if mebbe he just has a super duper scummy playstyle regardless of alignment. gut wise I think he is a town lean.

cake boy - unsure. gut wise I wanna say town but I am not sure how to go about clarifying the read. he hasn't really said any outstandingly scummy things but nothing that makes me go "I love this post!" either so unsure very light townlean.

vedithfire - I am not liking vedith and it is making me sad I kind of like where fire's head is at in this game go. but unsure

td/basic - I kind of liked td for town but basic has brought down the real estate of that slot and has made me question my read. I had td as town cos of td's familiar reach out to me, when he is scum he usually avoids me like the plague.

catdog - why have neither of them reached out to me. I can't read them if they aren't active. unsure will even call it the scummy side of unsure.

perv - unsure. I need to see more.

dgb - waiting on vedith. it wld also clarify my read on vedithfire.

yaw - unsure/lean scum? I am still not getting what I want from smart hence the scumread.

wis - scumzorz!

who did I miss

Let's talk about your reads Mollie.

First off, why do people have so much trouble reading me? I feel like I go through this during D1 of every game. People kinda town read me but say stuff like "he's giving off strange vibes." I don't really get it.

Secondly, I've been reading Wisdom as town, based on the transparency in Post 679, and the general ease in which he seems to be posting.

Lastly, you use a lot of meta in your reads. Have you had much success in the past using meta to this extent?

[Xkfyu]

Sure, I'm claiming town bulletproof, its not provable so lynch if you have to.

Time to find someone else to lynch.

YAW seems like a real good choice.

[Xkfyu]

Xkfyu is throwing off strange feels.

Again with this. What does that even mean?

[Xkfyu]

In post 874, Xkfyu wrote:
Secondly, I've been reading Wisdom as town, based on the transparency in Post 679, and the general ease in which he seems to be posting.


The bolded is an absolutely crap reason to Townread anyone.

Why do you think “ease of posting” is in any way alignment indicative. It is 100% playstyle driven.

I don't really care that you think the reason is crap. I disagree. The only way that you can know that it's 100% a playstyle thing is if you have seen Wisdom make such carefree and non-calculated posts as scum. If you have, then I'd like to see them.

Regardless, post 679 is townie enough anyways, which you apparently agree with since you didn't take issue with it.

In post 876, Xkfyu wrote:
YAW seems like a real good choice.

Then given me a short case on YAW in your own words then …

As or YAW, I just see a guy trying to figure the game out.

You aren't the first person to mention this, but I don't agree.

I get the feeling that they are more concerned with defending themselves from the lynch than they are with solving the game.

In post 709, Xkfyu wrote:
I get the feeling that they are more concerned with defending themselves from the lynch than they are with solving the game.

YAR has been either the leading wagon or a strongly competing wagon for much of the day. Do you expect them not to defend themselves at all in that position? If yes do you think your perception might by that reality?

I have no problems with them defending themselves. The difference is that I think that it's their main concern.

I'm seeing too much "I'm not scum because...." when I should be seeing "Player A is scum because..."

And none of that has changed. I think they are keeping quiet in hopes that this hebichan lynch happens.

[Xkfyu]

So yeah – please tell me that his posts that game were “not effortless”.

There certainly are posts in that ISO that appear to be effortless, I'll give you that, but they aren't all like that, like they are here. If he's scum here, he's doing a much better job at hiding it than he did then.

In post 881, Xkfyu wrote:
Regardless, post 679 is townie enough anyways, which you apparently agree with since you didn't take issue with it.

Yeah more spurious reasoning. 679 is null. Wisdom has been on my radar since very early on in the game with his seemingly effortless Town read of me. He’s not being as aggressive as when we directly interacted in in SS but this is Day 1 and I didn’t replace there until like Day 4ish. Which is why I’ve been after Mollie for more depth on her read as I wanted a sounding board.

I really liked the way, in 679, he openly admitted that he was trying to "affect the game" to his liking and the way he challenged Ank that it made him scum. That kind of transparency, more often than not, comes from town.

So no, I don't think that post is null, I think it's town.

[Xkfyu]

nah

I'm not as sold on the idea that Ank is scum as DGB is, but I can definitely see her point. What makes you so sure he isn't scum?

[Xkfyu]

I don't know if I'm more shocked about how I led the lynch on scum, or if it's because everyone is alive.

Did someone protect me? That'd be super sweet.

I'm sorry. You did what now?

[Xkfyu]

I just can't resist voting the ol' fake frustrated self vote routine.

VOTE: MariaR

[Xkfyu]

I just can't resist voting the ol'

fake frustrated

sarcastic self vote routine.

VOTE: MariaR

[Xkfyu]

This is omgus btw for such a bad excuse of a vote and nothing more I hope you claim cop

VOTE: xkfu

UNVOTE: MariaR

Call it...Anti-OMGUS.

[Xkfyu]

@ xkfu

have a seat.



let's chat

That chair looks so uncomfortable...and it's so dark.

But yes, let's. What's on your mind?

[Xkfyu]

In post 1046, pirate mollie wrote:
VOTE: wisdom


I don't get it.
Wisdom helped push Hebi over YaW.

In post 360, Wisdom wrote:
i dont like hebichan's reaction to Kuroi


In post 559, Wisdom wrote:
VOTE: hebi

4th vote on Hebi when YaW had 5

In post 766, Wisdom wrote:
stop tunneling

In post 780, Wisdom wrote:
Bbt youre better than this shallow tunneling


Pushing for BBT to vote Hebi

This pretty much proves that Wisdom is town for me.

[Xkfyu]

xkfyu gimme a reason you shouldn't be in my scumpile

Nah you can keep me there. I don't town case myself.

[Xkfyu]

I chose DGB because she did nothing to me that helped me read her.

It was between DGB and Pere. Also, I was a 1-shot gunsmith which means DGB is clear as even a GF shows up with a gun, no? Also means we probably have a vig who didn't shoot for false positives.

As far as I know, the only Mafia role that doesn't show up with a gun is a Mafia Doctor.

[Xkfyu]

^and traitor

Oh yeah. Forgot about the traitor.

[Xkfyu]

^awful selfmeta

Please get vig shot in the face

I mean, it was pretty awful. Self-meta generally is.

[Xkfyu]

PV's ISO looks like his town game
Don't want to vote there right now

Um...I don't get it. Weren't you the one that told me that PV's scum meta is being a "total lurksack?"

Granted, when you said that, his activity level was fine, but I feel like he has completely fallen off since then.

Now, I couldn't care less about meta, but I would expect someone like you, who obvious does, to have at least pointed this out.

[Xkfyu]

Mooooooooollie...

You've had me sitting in this uncomfortable chair for hours. Where'd you go? I thought we were gonna talk?

[Xkfyu]

PV is in multiple games and generally anyway his posting frequency depends on his IRL rather than alignment so activity tell is pointless.

he does however, need to address why he ignored hebi

I agree that he needs to address that, but like I said, I don't care about meta. I don't use it. However, Cakez clearly does, and his current read on PV doesn't jive with what he said about PV earlier in the game.

[Xkfyu]

I am so not voting for CatDog today.

[Xkfyu]

That's the quickest round of golf ever.

[Xkfyu]

That's the quickest round of golf ever.

It's rude to make fun of someone's handicap, Xkfyu.

If that's a joke, I don't get it.

[Xkfyu]

That's the quickest round of golf ever.

It's rude to make fun of someone's handicap, Xkfyu.

If that's a joke, I don't get it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handicap_(golf)

Holy hell, man. Don't do that to me.

Somehow I completely blanked on the connection between handicap and golf, and you had me thinking that I had actually insulted Maria for some real life handicap that she has. My heart completely sank.

[Xkfyu]

His ISO isn't "total lurksack" though
His scum ISO is all promises to catch up later and prodging
He's provided some content here

You haven't even read his ISO, have you?

If you are town here (which I highly doubt) you are being extremely confbiased and I feel like you would have recognized that by now if you were town.
In Summer Mafia where you caught me as scum you did other things then just tunneleling me, so this feels very fake.

Actually, it feels like the exact opposite of fake.

VOTE: SirCakez

[Xkfyu]

In post 1161, Xkfyu wrote:
You haven't even read his ISO, have you?

He posted a readslist at one point, the only prodge/catch up later post he's made is the very last one in his ISO.
This is not his scum behavior.

Did a quick skim, did you? Good job.

Xkfyu wrote:
In post 1159, SirCakez wrote:
If you are town here (which I highly doubt) you are being extremely confbiased and I feel like you would have recognized that by now if you were town.
In Summer Mafia where you caught me as scum you did other things then just tunneleling me, so this feels very fake.

Actually, it feels like the exact opposite of fake.

VOTE: SirCakez

Yes, UTL's shitty whole-game tunnel on me without even once reconsidering her read on me despite reading me wrong multiple times before is definitely real.

I hate logical fallacies.

[Xkfyu]

Me too

Then why'd you use one to try to discredit CatDog's scum read on you?

[Xkfyu]

I don't like it when people wave away self-meta as automatically unreliable.

Any meta that someone is aware of about themselves is inherently, and automatically, unreliable and cannot be trusted.

If they are aware of it, they can adhere to it or avoid it, as needed.

[Xkfyu]

Me too

Then why'd you use one to try to discredit CatDog's scum read on you?

I didn't?
Your vague sarcasm was useless.

You did. You implied that because UTL has read you incorrectly in the past, it means that she is reading you incorrectly now.

[Xkfyu]

That's the quickest round of golf ever.

It's rude to make fun of someone's handicap, Xkfyu.

If that's a joke, I don't get it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handicap_(golf)

Holy hell, man. Don't do that to me.

Somehow I completely blanked on the connection between handicap and golf, and you had me thinking that I had actually insulted Maria for some real life handicap that she has. My heart completely sank.

OMG that was NOT my intention.
Sorry about that. Holy shit.

Lol no worries. It was a good joke, now that I get it.

[Xkfyu]

Why did you unvote me btw Xkf?

I only voted you because you self voted and I wanted to see how long it would take you to move your vote, and who else would also vote you.

[Xkfyu]

I'm saying if she was town here she would have backed off or at least reconsidered her read at some point by now

Why would you think that? She certainly didn't do anything of the sort last game.

[Xkfyu]

I'm saying if she was town here she would have backed off or at least reconsidered her read at some point by now

Why would you think that? She certainly didn't do anything of the sort last game.

Last game (I assume you mean summer mafia) she did things besides tunnel me the whole game

Yes, sorry. I mean Summer Mafia.

She didn't tunnel you the whole game, no. She did, however, tunnel you once she was sure that you were scum.

[Xkfyu]

I'm saying if she was town here she would have backed off or at least reconsidered her read at some point by now

Why would you think that? She certainly didn't do anything of the sort last game.

Last game (I assume you mean summer mafia) she did things besides tunnel me the whole game

Yes, sorry. I mean Summer Mafia.

She didn't tunnel you the whole game, no. She did, however, tunnel you once she was sure that you were scum.

Push me? Yes.
Deathtunnel me like here? No

Did you not read that game at all? That's exactly what she did. Her and Mollie both, actually.

I know this because the "town" that UTL was talking about earlier that defended you so hard was basically just me. We went back and forth about it forever.

[Xkfyu]

I obviously read that game, given that I won it

Right.

[Xkfyu]

okay so we have a game that we can freely talk about! hooray!

only 1 thing happened in that game that I wanted to happen; the cupcake lynch. I don't take credit for mcnenno cos that was sheeping a guilty from dgb. you asked me about me using mpstly meta for my reads.

why did you ask me this question?

I wld like to have a good amount of dialogue with you, now that I have a reference point to use.

I am ketching up now, this is where I am at.

I asked because I was curious. I used to use meta a lot, when I first started playing, until I realized that it was extremely unreliable. At least, for me.

I started noticing your extensive use of meta in Summer Mafia, and since it was a large reason you knew Cakez was scum, I was wondering if it was just a fluke, or if you have had similar success with it in the past.

[Xkfyu]

VOTE: dgb

You can't be serious.

[Xkfyu]

VOTE: dgb

You can't be serious.

Never mind. I guess you didn't see BBT's claim?

[Xkfyu]

oh it was defo you.

hence the chair

Lol I know.

I feel like we're headed towards a repeat performance, due to our reads in respect to Wisdom.

[Xkfyu]

(By the way, happy birthday! And you know, I only wish players a happy birthday as town. )

Thanks.

You're cleared town now.

Also, I'm intentionally not commenting on the rest of the stuff about meta because apparently you and I have a completely different outlook on the subject, and I think we should just leave it at that.

[Xkfyu]

happy cake xkfyu

Thanks.

You were already town though.

[Xkfyu]

okay so we have a game that we can freely talk about! hooray!

only 1 thing happened in that game that I wanted to happen; the cupcake lynch. I don't take credit for mcnenno cos that was sheeping a guilty from dgb. you asked me about me using mpstly meta for my reads.

why did you ask me this question?

I wld like to have a good amount of dialogue with you, now that I have a reference point to use.

I am ketching up now, this is where I am at.

I asked because I was curious. I used to use meta a lot, when I first started playing, until I realized that it was extremely unreliable. At least, for me.

I started noticing your extensive use of meta in Summer Mafia, and since it was a large reason you knew Cakez was scum, I was wondering if it was just a fluke, or if you have had similar success with it in the past.

I will respond to this when I get off of work

And I guess I'll respond to your response when I get back to work tomorrow lol.

[Xkfyu]

Happy birthday xkf

Thanks.

[Xkfyu]

Mod Notes -
Happy Birthday Xkfyu!

Thanks Radja.

[Xkfyu]

Yeah ok, if we aren't lynching Cakez, I'd be happy with a Maxous lynch.

[Xkfyu]

wagoning mollie is a waste of time.

look,we'll just have her fullclaim on day 3 or 4 depending on the game situation.

Rings major Mollie scum buddy bells

umm what?
mollie literally said "my role is self-resolving" to get people to stop wagoning her.
if mollie's role is anything less than "self-resolving" she is auto-lynched.
i genuinely don't understand why so many people are confused by this.
mollie is probably town ANYWAY, but like this is common sense procedure.
If scum want to commit themselves to roles that they can't back up..let them. she can't turn around and say it was a lie at this point.

Her role didn't resolve anything night 1, did it?
That's what makes me doubt it.

How do you know that Mollie wasn't the attempted NK?

[Xkfyu]

wagoning mollie is a waste of time.

look,we'll just have her fullclaim on day 3 or 4 depending on the game situation.

Rings major Mollie scum buddy bells

umm what?
mollie literally said "my role is self-resolving" to get people to stop wagoning her.
if mollie's role is anything less than "self-resolving" she is auto-lynched.
i genuinely don't understand why so many people are confused by this.
mollie is probably town ANYWAY, but like this is common sense procedure.
If scum want to commit themselves to roles that they can't back up..let them. she can't turn around and say it was a lie at this point.

Her role didn't resolve anything night 1, did it?
That's what makes me doubt it.

How do you know that Mollie wasn't the attempted NK?

I didn't forget about you or your post! I just wld like to talk to you when you are around sometime but it seems like we have a schedule conflict.

I just didn't know if you wanted me to explain to how I approach the game or not or if it was even necessary.

I'm here, and will be for a while.

I am genuinely interested in your past successes using meta as a way of reading people, but it's out of my own curiosity, and doesn't really pertain to this game. So, it can wait.

[Xkfyu]

NO1 DIED. THIS IS NOT THAT HARD.

wait what?

You claimed you had nothing to do with the fact no1 died, now you're changing your story?

I think you're misunderstanding what she's saying.

[Xkfyu]

What am I misunderstanding? Cakez said nothing resolved and mollie said "no1 died, it's not that hard" as if assuming that was what resolved

Cakez is trying to spin the fact that Mollie didn't die (and thus, her role didn't resolve) as a way to throw shade on Mollie. But since no one died, that's not valid, since Mollie could have very well been targeted for the NK, and it was blocked somehow. Hence my question to Cakez earlier.

[Xkfyu]

Maxous needs rope

So does Cakez though.

[Xkfyu]

wagoning mollie is a waste of time.

look,we'll just have her fullclaim on day 3 or 4 depending on the game situation.

Rings major Mollie scum buddy bells

umm what?
mollie literally said "my role is self-resolving" to get people to stop wagoning her.
if mollie's role is anything less than "self-resolving" she is auto-lynched.
i genuinely don't understand why so many people are confused by this.
mollie is probably town ANYWAY, but like this is common sense procedure.
If scum want to commit themselves to roles that they can't back up..let them. she can't turn around and say it was a lie at this point.

Her role didn't resolve anything night 1, did it?
That's what makes me doubt it.

How do you know that Mollie wasn't the attempted NK?

I don't, but she said she was surprised there was no death night 1 so I assumed it wasn't her

wagoning mollie is a waste of time.

look,we'll just have her fullclaim on day 3 or 4 depending on the game situation.

Rings major Mollie scum buddy bells

umm what?
mollie literally said "my role is self-resolving" to get people to stop wagoning her.
if mollie's role is anything less than "self-resolving" she is auto-lynched.
i genuinely don't understand why so many people are confused by this.
mollie is probably town ANYWAY, but like this is common sense procedure.
If scum want to commit themselves to roles that they can't back up..let them. she can't turn around and say it was a lie at this point.

Her role didn't resolve anything night 1, did it?
That's what makes me doubt it.

NO1 DIED. THIS IS NOT THAT HARD.

So this conflicts with what you said earlier about being surprised about the no death
I am confuzzled

What am I misunderstanding? Cakez said nothing resolved and mollie said "no1 died, it's not that hard" as if assuming that was what resolved

Cakez is trying to spin the fact that Mollie didn't die (and thus, her role didn't resolve) as a way to throw shade on Mollie. But since no one died, that's not valid, since Mollie could have very well been targeted for the NK, and it was blocked somehow. Hence my question to Cakez earlier.

Wtf is this?
Mollie mentioned literally nothing about being behind the no death until after I made the comment about her role not resolving.
This is outright misrep.

It's not. Not intentionally anyways.

Let me start by asking you this. What do you think Mollie meant when she said her role was self-resolving?

[Xkfyu]

Something confirmable as town
I;e bodyguard, vig, etc

And how would anything like that resolve without any NKs?

[Xkfyu]

Also in retrospect herbi could have joined that YAW wagon long ago.
I half wonder now if they are both scum.

I would still totally do this.

Are you really still that confident that they are scum?

[Xkfyu]

Same here.

@Mod: V/LA for the weekend.

[Xkfyu]

Is there really no more support for the Cakez lynch?

[Xkfyu]

No
Why arent you voting Maxous?

Because I just got caught up from the weekend and I still really want to lynch Cakez.

[Xkfyu]

Yeah ok, if we aren't lynching Cakez, I'd be happy with a Maxous lynch.

^this was just words as we can see

I don't see the problem.

[Xkfyu]

Youre avoiding voting maxous just like maxous did wth hebi

Your scare tactics aren't going to work on me.

I'm still perfectly fine with lynching Maxous, and I'll move my vote if/when I see that my preferred lynch isn't going to happen.

[Xkfyu]

aka when its inevitable

Right, and if I'm buddies with Maxous, I'll get absolutely no benefit from it. So, I don't see your point.

[Xkfyu]

In post 1702, Maxous wrote:
i feel like this is going in circles.

should probably just get rid of one of the low content players

eh, i'll vote back on PV

vote: PeregrineV

basic or ank either whichever.

Disgusting post and vote for obvious reasons

Aren't you scum reading PV?

[Xkfyu]

@Those voting Ank:

Do you really think that scum would push the lynch of two (almost certainly) confirmed towns at this point?

[Xkfyu]

He isnt?

He was.

[Xkfyu]

You confused him with magna

I'm not, Ank has voted both BBT and DGB today.

I did go back and look at the chronology though, and he voted BBT before BBT had actually claimed. I was thinking it was after. So I guess it's kinda irrelevant.

[Xkfyu]

Basic, are you intentionally avoiding discussing me?

[Xkfyu]

So, I've skimmed the weekend posts, and we have a "probably guilty" result on PV.

Are we just waiting for him to come into the thread and claim?

[Xkfyu]

yes

anything else you have to say?

I fully believe Mollie's Bodyguard claim, as it coincides with pretty much exactly with what I expected her to claim.

So, she joins BBT and DGB in my "never gonna lynch" pile.

Honestly though, I fully intended in coming out and hard pushing Cakez's lynch but, given his claim, I guess I won't be doing that.

[Xkfyu]

Honestly though, I fully intended in coming out and hard pushing Cakez's lynch but, given his claim, I guess I won't be doing that.

good

so who is scum then?

Well, probably PV, for one.

Other than him, I'm not real sure. Assuming Cakez is town, my reads have pretty much gone out the window.

Even with eliminating the 3 non-lynchables (probably 4, including Cakez), there are still a bunch of possibilities.

However, out of those, I'm not willing to lynch you, Dwlee, or MoI today.

So, PoE leaves me with PV, farside, Kuroi, Maria, MOHIS, Basic, and YAW

My biggest town read out of those is farside, and I'd be fine with lynching any of the rest. Well, I'd probably would prefer not lynching YAW, but that's solely based on the fact that they were the hebichan counter wagon in D1, and not to do with their play.

[Xkfyu]

I'm not willing to lynch you, Dwlee, or MoI today.

Why is that?

You because I've been town reading you for a while.

Dwlee because I still think CatDog was genuine in their big frustrated post, and I don't think Dwlee is scum for his actions.

And MoI because, while I know he is fully capable of playing this townie as scum, I'm not interested in pursuing his lynch today. Probably not ever, if I'm being honest.

[Xkfyu]

I'm not willing to lynch you, Dwlee, or MoI today.

Why is that?

You because I've been town reading you for a while.

Dwlee because I still think CatDog was genuine in their big frustrated post, and I don't think Dwlee is scum for his actions.

And MoI because, while I know he is fully capable of playing this townie as scum, I'm not interested in pursuing his lynch today. Probably not ever, if I'm being honest.

have you played with magna before?

A few times, yeah.

[Xkfyu]

So your PoE list, not including Peregrine, is {Kuroi, Maria, MOHIS, Basic}

Any preference among those? How do you feel about each of these slots?

I didn't particularly like how Kuroi just sat on hebichan's wagon all of D1, without saying much except for the stuff at the beginning, and then immediately tried to take full credit for lynching her at the outset of D2.

I can't for the life of me come to a solid read on Maria. Sometimes I'm sure she's scum, and sometimes I'm sure she's town. I'm leaning more town on her than I am the rest of them right now though.

I have never liked trying to read FB, but I don't like the way he is still throwing shade on Mollie.

Basic would be my preferred lynch out of the four (followed by Kuroi). She sat on an empty scum read on me for a very long time and finally put something down, only when I prompted her to do so.

So, in order, my preference would be:
1. Basic
2. Kuroi
3. MOHIS
4. Maria

[Xkfyu]

So, PoE leaves me with PV, farside, Kuroi, Maria, MOHIS, Basic, and YAW

How are we in that PoE at all?

~fire

Why wouldn't you be?

Did you do something incredibly townie over the weekend that I missed?

[Xkfyu]

I have never liked trying to read FB, but I don't like the way he is still throwing shade on Mollie.

Throwing shade?
Like Mollie has appeared scummy to me all game, you think I shouldn't push my scumread just becase "power role" or something?

I am sick of people using "throwing shade" btw.
Its called scumreading.

~Fire

Ok fine.

I don't like how you are still scum reading Mollie. Her play, and claim, make complete sense.

[Xkfyu]

So, PoE leaves me with PV, farside, Kuroi, Maria, MOHIS, Basic, and YAW

How are we in that PoE at all?

~fire

Why wouldn't you be?

Did you do something incredibly townie over the weekend that I missed?

Day 1 motherfucker. Did you read it.

I did, but that was a long time ago. Remind me.

[Xkfyu]

what games?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=66399

Cakez's DC Dual Universe, which was two games in one, where he was scum in one game and town in the other.

I'm pretty sure that there was at least one more, but I'd have to dig around to find it.

[Xkfyu]

Xk if you dislike mollie pushing how come you've said nothing about Kuroi's stance on the matter?

Because I apparently missed it. I haven't done much more than skim the weekend posts.

But if that's true, then I would probably prefer Kuroi over Basic.

[Xkfyu]

I did, but that was a long time ago. Remind me.

I am conf town browski.
Innocent child status.

~Fire

Oh I definitely don't remember that. How'd that happen?

[Xkfyu]

Wisdom, since you don't like any of my picks, who are your top lynch candidates?

[Xkfyu]

So, PV shows up, but doesn't claim? Even though he has a soft guilty on him?

VOTE: PeregrineV

[Xkfyu]

Pretty sure that's L-1.

[Xkfyu]

Night1- Suspicious player visited another player A. Player A did not die, nor hint or soft any adverse effects, nor did they die night2.

What the hell is this?

Night2- Cakez visited me. So, would really like to hear them actually say guilty, or better yet, vig or JK or roleblocker.

This is interesting though.

[Xkfyu]

Night1- Suspicious player visited another player A. Player A did not die, nor hint or soft any adverse effects, nor did they die night2

Okay, this is likely going to need clarification. especially since we already had a flip doc and Mollie claim.

Night1- Suspicious player visited another player A. Player A did not die, nor hint or soft any adverse effects, nor did they die night2.

why the withholding of names?

It doesn't provide anything to do with alignment except out a PR. I suspected doc until Ank died, but either way it does add positive info.

I suppose that's a fair point.

I assume you believe your N1 target to be town?

[Xkfyu]

Lol wow.

[Xkfyu]

You're already hammered.

[Xkfyu]

Was that hammer?

VOTE: Pere

Just to be sure.

Auto lynching this game if pre flips town

I'm sorry, what?

[Xkfyu]

Maria, are you really suggesting the auto-lynch of BBT if PV somehow flips town?

[Xkfyu]

Maria, are you really suggesting the auto-lynch of BBT if PV somehow flips town?

This fker is doing w/e he wants and is scummy off the wall with that bs hammer so quickly he just derps around and thinks he can clear himself with a gunsmith claim and that's kinda EASY TO FAKE

Ok Gunsmith claim aside, are you missing the fact that hebichan fake claimed Daryl Dixon, meaning that it was a mod-supplied fake claim, and now PV has also claimed it?

[Xkfyu]

@Mod: Forgot to post it yesterday, but V/LA for the weekend.

[Xkfyu]

Xkfyu isn't a lurker lynch, there's a shitload of evidence indicating him being scum

Where?

Because he dodged the Hebi wagon and has done fuckall to make me think he's town

Oh right. Yeah, you really have a shitload of evidence there.

Let's be honest, you're really only scum reading me because I was pushing hard for your lynch yesterday which I know you're fully capable of.

So, if I'm scum, why do I do that when I could have just stopped pushing you after the Maxous wagon took off?

[Xkfyu]

^lynch this already

So yesterday, I was scum because I was avoiding Maxous's wagon because he was my buddy.

Today, I am scum because I was avoiding Maxous's wagon because he was town.

Fix your confirmation bias, and then we can talk.

[Xkfyu]

also I nowhere claimed that's the reason you're scum, so yeah

Actually, as far as I can tell, that's the ONLY reason's you've given as to why I'm scum.

Day 3:

No
Why arent you voting Maxous?

No
Why arent you voting Maxous?

Because I just got caught up from the weekend and I still really want to lynch Cakez.

^heres one of maxous's buddies

Yeah ok, if we aren't lynching Cakez, I'd be happy with a Maxous lynch.

^this was just words as we can see

Yeah ok, if we aren't lynching Cakez, I'd be happy with a Maxous lynch.

^this was just words as we can see

I don't see the problem.

Youre avoiding voting maxous just like maxous did wth hebi

Youre avoiding voting maxous just like maxous did wth hebi

Your scare tactics aren't going to work on me.

I'm still perfectly fine with lynching Maxous, and I'll move my vote if/when I see that my preferred lynch isn't going to happen.

aka when its inevitable

aka when its inevitable

Right, and if I'm buddies with Maxous, I'll get absolutely no benefit from it. So, I don't see your point.

Day 4:

So Basic voted Maxous; big deal, Maxous was fucking scummy. What Xkfyu did was way worse. He kept saying he's happy with a Maxous lynch yet he never voted him

Yeah ok, if we aren't lynching Cakez, I'd be happy with a Maxous lynch.

So yeah.

And, if you must know, the reason I wasn't on the Maxous wagon was because I was V/LA that weekend (including the holiday Monday), and late Monday night, I had a pretty severe allergic reaction to something which put me out of commission all of Tueasday. And when I came back, Maxous was already lynched.

[Xkfyu]

Oh im not already on it.
Bollix.

VOTE: Xkfyu

I already made a starter point for this, you called me out for it so i posted it without it being finished and you fell off the face of the earth despite asking for it initially. Similar with what happened when mollie put you in that uncomfortable chair. Consistently calling for a case you get one and suddenly POOF!

See above. There was no "poof."

And nothing even close to that happened with Mollie. She and I tried for a long time to talk in the thread, but our schedules were the exact opposite of each other.

Besides, I had no reason to avoid her anyways. She was town reading me.

[Xkfyu]

yeah except I've been scumreading you before that. You not voting Maxous who I thought was scum just made me more confident. The reason you are scum is that you have still done absolutely nothing town. You are skating by.

That's simply not true.

[Xkfyu]

except it is

I pushed for YAW's lynch in D1, and I pushed for Cakez's lynch in D2. The only day that I didn't do as much was D3, when we had a guilty result on PV.

How is that "skating by?"

Also, I want to lynch Basic today.

She's been waiting for someone else to take the lead on my wagon for a long time now, but didn't want to do it herself.

And now, she's trying to use my weekend inactivity as a way to paint me as scum.

VOTE: Basic

[Xkfyu]

I pushed for a town lynch in D1, and I pushed for a town lynch in D2. The only day that I didn't do as much was D3, when we had a guilty result on my buddy.

fixed

Thanks for proving my point about your confirmation bias.

[Xkfyu]

Interesting that you dont mention Magna and Maria at all though. I guess that's where your buddy lies.

I also didn't mention BBT, Dwlee, DGB, farside, Kuroi, nor MOHIS. So, I guess they are all my buddies too?

also I'd like to point out that when people I tunnel try to argue I am confbiasing them without a single doubt in their mind that I could actually be scum, they are scum

It makes no sense Xk is still townreading me with zero doubts

That's ridiculous. True confirmation bias only ever comes from town.

Let me ask you one thing.

If I'm scum, then why aren't you dead already? Why kill Mollie when she was town reading me?

And don't say because I was worried that she was going to protect you, because she was scum reading you, and there's no way that she was going to protect you.

[Xkfyu]

I also didn't mention BBT, Dwlee, DGB, farside, Kuroi, nor MOHIS. So, I guess they are all my buddies too?

Magna is your counterwagon and Maria was Magna's push aka the topic of the day. The other people are irrelevant. My point is you are avoiding giving a stance on the important topics.

This

is how you are skating by.

My stance on Magna hasn't changed. I'm still town reading him.

And I have no idea about Maria. I hard town read her in Mini Normal 1823, that just finished, and I was dead wrong about her, and it cost us the game. I'd be fine with lynching her, but I can't that I'm necessarily scum reading her.

[Xkfyu]

That's ridiculous. True confirmation bias only ever comes from town.

How do you know it's confirmation bias and it's not me-scum tunneling on you to get a mislynch?
You've not been paranoid of me for one second in the whole game despite me constantly scumreading you and pushing you.
That's not how townies treat me when I tunnel on them.

Because there is enough suspicion on me to get me lynched without having to tunnel on me. If you're scum, it's just safer for someone else to take the lead on my lynch.

[Xkfyu]

Let me ask you one thing.

If I'm scum, then why aren't you dead already? Why kill Mollie when she was town reading me?

Because there are claimed PRs alive and they have priority over me, duh
Besides, it's not like we know you targeted mollie. She was a bodyguard. The more likely scenario is you went for Cakez and she saved him.

I suppose that's fair.

For what it's worth though, I wouldn't have targeted Cakez last night, if I was scum.

[Xkfyu]

That doesn't make any sense. You are making too many assumptions about how I play as scum without knowing me.

And you are making too many assumptions about how I play as town without knowing me.

[Xkfyu]

Also, what suspicion? If it wasn't for me shouting for your lynch you'd have zero votes on you.

I know Basic, Cakez, and Maria have expressed interest in lynching me, and I'm pretty sure MOHIS and Kuroi has also, but I'd have to check back on those last two to be sure.

[Xkfyu]

That doesn't make any sense. You are making too many assumptions about how I play as scum without knowing me.

And you are making too many assumptions about how I play as town without knowing me.

I'm not making any and this is a deflection

You absolutely are. You are assuming that I should have doubts about you being town, if I'm town. I completely disagree.

[Xkfyu]

Basic was voting nobody until a few posts ago
Cakez was voting Kuroi until I got him to switch
Maria is voting Magna and is not switching to you despite what she's saying
MOHIS voted you because he sheeped me
I don't recall Kuroi scumreading you

so yeah
I have made this wagon on you possible, so arguing I wouldn't need to as scum is bullshit

I'm not talking about only within of the scope of this game day. I'm talking about during the entire game.

As scum, there is no reason that you would need to lynch me today. There are enough people with enough suspicion on me for me to be a viable lynch from here on out. So your hard push on me is coming from a legit scum read.

[Xkfyu]

That doesn't make any sense. You are making too many assumptions about how I play as scum without knowing me.

And you are making too many assumptions about how I play as town without knowing me.

I'm not making any and this is a deflection

You absolutely are. You are assuming that I should have doubts about you being town, if I'm town. I completely disagree.

I don't need to know you for that. Townies get paranoid when I tunnel on them, scum either try to discredit me or make it look like I'm a derptown who's confbiasing. You're doing the latter.

Seriously, are you a Nahdia alt?

I'm not trying to discredit you. I'm trying to talk some sense into you.

[Xkfyu]

Xkfyu, I think you're at L-1.

I have the power to hammer you and right now, I'm inclined to do just that.

A claim might be nice.

Am I? Sorry, didn't realize.

I am Brent, a 1-Shot Vigilante.

[Xkfyu]

Probably could have just avoided all that arguing nonsense.

[Xkfyu]

UNVOTE:

You haven't used your shot?

Can we lynch Maria yet?

I have not.

I was going to use it on YAW in N1, but hebi flipped scum.

[Xkfyu]

I don't buy that claim

Why the hell would a 1-shot vig not use his shot in 3 nights? What is he waiting for, lylo?

Why WOULD I use it? We've lynched 2 scum out of 3 lynches.

I'm perfectly fine with never using my shot if we don't need it.

[Xkfyu]

exactly because we've lynched two scum you are much safer to use it even if you hit town as we can take the loss

you don't make sense

(not to mention that we had not lynched two scum when you didnt use it N1 and N2)

Alright man, I'm done trying to explain anything to you.

If anyone else has a problem with my reasoning, I'll address it. Otherwise, let's get on with lynching someone else.

[Xkfyu]

@BBT

Yes, I'm good with lynching Maria.

UNVOTE: Basic

VOTE: MariaR

[Xkfyu]

Like, with that logic, Peregrine had to be telling the truth about being a tracker because there was a flipped ninja, right?

PV WAS telling the truth about being a Tracker...

[Xkfyu]

The claim is bad. The excuses for not shooting don't hold up very well. But the most damning thing to me is it is another limited shot Town claimed Role. Look at the scum flips - both full roles. Town at this stage is criminally under-powered. The 1-Shot Element of the Vig claim seems to be tailored to explaining the lack of multiple deaths that a full Vig claim would not be easily able to explain away.

The claim is what it is. I'm not going to even attempt to defend something that is indefensible.

Finally I looked through Xk's ISO and there isn't any drive to actually find scum in there. Day 1 was pushing on YAW and working against the Hebi lynch as much as possible which got dropped. Day 2 was attacking SirCakez (for his Catdog slot interactions) and a quick dalliance with MariaR. Why no interest in those off the Hebi wagon at all Xk? You could have spent Day 2 really pushing that angle and shooting Night 2 on your best bet. Town was certainly in position to withstand misfire.

I don't know why you think that. I've had plenty of interest in those off hebi's wagon.

Not that it really matters. Considering hebi tried to hammer herself, and that PV wasn't on her wagon, I'd say it's more likely that her buddies were already on her wagon.

Otherwise, she could have just told one of her buddies to hammer her.

[Xkfyu]

If you guys want me to shoot someone tonight, that's fine with me.

[Xkfyu]

Shooting Basic would be great!

Lol noted.

Anyone else care to cast their vote right now for who they want me to shoot?

[Xkfyu]

Anyone else care to cast their vote right now for who they want me to shoot?

Depends on who gets lynched. If I end up getting lynched I'll leave my first choice in my last post.

If Maria gets lynched and is scum I'd choose Basic or Wisdom.
If Maria gets lynched and is Town I'd say me.

Fair enough.

Leaving the decision until the lynch is pretty much decided is probably a good idea anyways.

[Xkfyu]

I did, but that was a long time ago. Remind me.

I am conf town browski.
Innocent child status.

~Fire

Oh I definitely don't remember that. How'd that happen?

MOHIS, could you answer this please?

[Xkfyu]

Still conftown Xkfyu

~Fire

I'd really like to take you out of my POE list. So, it would be great if that were actually true, but I went back and looked, and the only thing I saw was that you were pretty early on the hebi wagon.

And I hope you don't expect me to confirm you based on that.

[Xkfyu]

Brent was the unnamed crinimal that shot Rick....

I can confirm this.

Also thought to portray walkers in the following episodes.

I guess you mean that the actor who played Brent portrayed walkers? Because my flavor says that Brent was shot and killed right after shooting Rick.

[Xkfyu]

WHOOPS!
Actually didnt register YAW unvoted.
L-1.

L-2 I think.

[Xkfyu]

Flavor is not alignment indicative. Scum have fakeclaims.

Doesn't mean I shouldn't confirm it.

[Xkfyu]

Xk confirm youll be shooting Maria please. Therell be no excuses tomorrow.

Right now, it's between Maria and Basic.