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but now I have 23 slots to sort...
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I'll probably just sheep people who are actually good. (Which is like, everybody. Except me.
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In post 30, SpyreX wrote:Three smileys and a declaration of town
Dont know if i can trust you with a nuke there boy
welcome to defcon 3.0 2.0In post 34, Papa Zito wrote:ok well this speaks my languageIn post 31, SpyreX wrote:And yea 1 kill vs infinite vigs
VOTE: all the wars or w/e
oh and welcome to defcon 3.0 everyone!
I'm sorry I'm just 3friendly5you.In post 42, Untrod Tripod wrote:look at the smileys againIn post 37, SpyreX wrote:Woah. Woah.In post 33, Untrod Tripod wrote:yeahhhhhhhh that's gettin nuked maybe even before the hydraIn post 30, SpyreX wrote:Three smileys and a declaration of town
Dont know if i can trust you with a nuke there boy
good questionIn post 121, Cheetory6 wrote:Something_Smart.
Can you give some thoughts on the setup or some reads?
how are you townreading me already?In post 329, xRECKONERx wrote:TOWN
mastina
cheetory
Something-Smart
hiplop
Cephrir
SCUM
SpyreX
Untrod Tripod
k that's all ive got for now
no clue what to think about LLD atm. inclined to believe mastin's read but idk. the whole GIMME THIS USELESS THING SO I CAN BE A CODEBREAKER AND REAL TOWN HELPER seems forced and actor like and ugh.
p.edit: i have no idea what you're talking about
what's your point? obviously it wasn't intended to produce reactions. that doesn't mean I can't look at the reactions it did produce.In post 412, Accountant wrote:>being flippant to dodge the point I madeIn post 409, Something_Smart wrote:every post is a reaction test if you think about it the right way
I mean, at the time of that post all those reads were essentially gut.In post 456, Cephrir wrote:imo forced is basically a word that means gut but sounds more substantial even though its not
it's not wrong just unhelpful
Ceph just pinged me with the way he talked about the setup spec and then said a bunch of not-game-related stuff, it kinda felt like he was trying to hide behind those things and not interact. I also didn't like his "How could anyone fail to catch that?" in 137 because it's egging on the people who are pushing me for it while not explicitly getting involved in it himself.In post 424, Cheetory6 wrote:More words on Ceph/Nukebringer reads please.
Also, was your opening a literal reaction test or not? Were you like "har har I'm gonna get these scums with this" or were you like "oh people reacted to my opening I'm gonna analyze that I guess"?
I'm sorry lol I just wanted to know why you think that scum couldn't make 26. Clearly most people disagree with you.In post 432, xRECKONERx wrote:i feel likje this is my life in every mafia game i play gfdIn post 405, Something_Smart wrote:discussion tabled for now- Reck
Okay I've acquired a read that isn't gut!In post 452, MagnaofIllusion wrote:And Something Smart is probably the first to eat rope. 405 has all the hallmarks of scum posting – pointless “For” vote that means nothing, refusing to commit to a read on Reck who called him solid Town for bad reasons, and a list of “scummy” people which makes no sense. Also fence-sitting on three players which I think I probably where his Communist partner are. Also 407 is laughable as reasons to scum read GIF (OMGUS and the ever dreaded “forced” which is the New Hotness Buzzword for the Commies).
405 has all the hallmarks of scum posting – pointless “For” vote that means nothing
This is a scum action... why? "Discussion tabled" means I am going to discuss him later.refusing to commit to a read on Reck who called him solid Town for bad reasons
ok now he's scumreading me because my pregame reads are not up to par with his standardsa list of “scummy” people which makes no sense.
Way to beg the question. The simpler explanation for those reads is that I was genuinely conflicted, and you're assuming that I'm scum in trying to prove that I'm scum.Also fence-sitting on three players which I think I probably where his Communist partner are.
And more attacking me because my reads aren't as good as his.Also 407 is laughable as reasons to scum read GIF (OMGUS and the ever dreaded “forced” which is the New Hotness Buzzword for the Commies).
because they're obviously bullshitIn post 468, Cephrir wrote:some of those points are basically just you repeating what moi said only with sarcasm.
Okay. Point taken.In post 476, MagnaofIllusion wrote:So I've highlighted the part which shows that people no longer need to vote simply show up to move to Defcon 4. Which shows that SS's "For" vote was pointless since he had already posted.
So Something Smart - are you not reading fully?
Derp sorryIn post 489, Cheetory6 wrote:@SS, still want words on your opening please.
I'm asking you.In post 617, GuyInFreezer wrote:Is that how logic work these days?In post 610, Something_Smart wrote:Derp sorryIn post 489, Cheetory6 wrote:@SS, still want words on your opening please.
Answer to your question is the latter (it wasn't intended as a reaction test per se) but I was curious as to how people would respond to it.
and also RC/GiF are you suggesting that low hanging fruit = scum? because it sounds like you're saying I'm scum for the same reasons you're saying I'm low hanging fruit while calling being low hanging fruit not indicative of alignment. (That made more sense in my head.)
so what are the reasons that you think I'm low hanging fruit?In post 621, GuyInFreezer wrote:Being a low hanging fruit doesn't equate to being town.
It can be from both alignments.
This is bull. If I wanted to pass it off as a reaction test, I'd be calling it a reaction test. Show where my apparently subtle attempt to do so "failed", and why I couldn't have just said it was if I wanted to backtrack.In post 704, GuyInFreezer wrote:I mean, this whole thing matches up nicely.
He screws up with #26, people gives him flak, he tries to pass that off as reaction test.
Fails, so he backtracks.
Like, it matches up wayyyyyy to nicely to be considered as just a possibility. The timing and everything.
In post 712, Cephrir wrote:Slayers gambit!!!!!!In post 694, GuyInFreezer wrote:There's this #4 too but it's kinda personal thing.
I enjoy reaction testing a lot in the most perverted (No, not sexually perverted) way possible, but I can't seem to find the purpose of reaction testing with stuff like #26.
Like, if he was actually reaction testing with that post, what exactly was he trying to fish and what kind of reaction was he looking for while doing that?
Goddammit this confused me so badly. Not cool.In post 766, GuyInFreezer wrote:Yeah I agree.In post 750, Fate wrote:GiF is straight town at this point
Hopefully there are some seasoned commies to nuke
I asked him a question, and wanted to wait until he answered it. (He still hasn't fully answered it, but he kind of dropped what he was pushing anyway.)In post 767, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Sure it can mean that. For certain my scum read on you isn’t “Bet the game on it” level of confidence. Fact remains the way you specifically hedge from making any sort of assessment at all struck me as suspect on initial read.
Oh, I see. So it's not that my reads don't agree with yours, it's that I gave them at all, upon being asked, even though they weren't that strong. (Because I never have solid reads early day 1, and this wasn't even day 1.)Nope. What is off about them is, as you later clarify, are all vague “gut” reads that have nothing other than “I don’t like it” about them. Given that my reads don’t line up with yours and your reasoning is “gut” the first place my mind goes is scum faking reads.
Well you're at least making it look like evidence by pointing it out in the midst of an argument that I'm scum.Nope. I’m pointing out that out for future analysis if you ever flip scum. Kind of absurd for you to claim I’m using that to “prove” you are scum.
not reallyIn post 865, Spiffeh wrote:Something Smart it's great that you can you defend yourself and all but can you provide some reads/explain the ones you gave before?
tia
^good ideaIn post 870, Spiffeh wrote:I think the play here is to form a group of universally town read players and punish anyone that tries to nuke within that group with death
Cheet and Accountant are my most confident town reads that I'm willing to suggest for this "bloc" atm
why?In post 934, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:yah Pumba's town
I mean I could provide some more terrible gut reads if you wantedIn post 960, Spiffeh wrote:You were so quick to provide reads within the first like within your first few posts of the game but you can't be bothered with it right now?
"He's scum because he's scum."In post 1050, Ircher wrote:Something_Smart (-89%) - Post #26 really pinged as the scum thing to do.
"And because he's scum."Yes, it's a self-meta statement, but also the fact that he justs plans to sheep whoever and not try to solve the game is even more indicative of scum.
"His posts are indicative of scum."His posts in pages 16-20 continue to be bad and indicative of scum. Needs rope.
"He might just be bad, but he's not and therefore scum."Considering the possibility that this is a weaker player, but Smart seems to be above the "Newbie-feel" and more on par with prob. my own skill in mafia.
I agree. (Actually, Ircher being alive might be a valid excuse. But other than that, yeah.)In post 1111, Accountant wrote:THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR NOT PULVERIZING THIS PLAYER AS SOON AS HUMANLY POSSIBLEIn post 1110, Nukebringer wrote:i don't think you realize who you are talking to?In post 1108, Accountant wrote:You're not even going to try to defend yourself? Go ask around in the PT, I bet your buddies can come up something to try to sell to meIn post 1105, Nukebringer wrote:yeah, magna is scum guys.
Normally he would be mad at me.
Zero presence of it.
Hi my name is firebringer and I don't care what you read on me is.
Well, I mean, that line was me saying that my reads are going to be so much worse than everyone else's. But in any event, he still didn't explain why he found anything I did scummy.In post 1116, Vaxkiller wrote:He is saying you are just going the sheep all your votes. SO it was a bit of a mis-rep from you.In post 1050, Ircher wrote:Something_Smart (-89%) - Post #26 really pinged as the scum thing to do. Yes, it's a self-meta statement, but also the fact that he justs plans to sheep whoever and not try to solve the game is even more indicative of scum. His posts in pages 16-20 continue to be bad and indicative of scum. Needs rope. Considering the possibility that this is a weaker player, but Smart seems to be above the "Newbie-feel" and more on par with prob. my own skill in mafia.
That said he doesn't list anything about the rest of your activity, which is pretty good in my opinion (just read your iso)
You are both a little suspicious.
Lol trueIn post 1133, Cheetory6 wrote:I kind of wish the thread had been locked for Defcon 4 phase.
things are changing I'm forming readsIn post 1151, Cephrir wrote:I thought you didn't have strong reads and/or couldn't explain themIn post 1148, Something_Smart wrote:I agree. (Actually, Ircher being alive might be a valid excuse. But other than that, yeah.)
Where is this coming from?
at least I'm not trying to make it look like I am explaining. Ircher's explanation was that much worse because it masqueraded as an explanation but was in fact absolutely nothing.In post 1152, Cephrir wrote:"Hey kettle, you're black"In post 1148, Something_Smart wrote:Well, I mean, that line was me saying that my reads are going to be so much worse than everyone else's. But in any event, he still didn't explain why he found anything I did scummy.
In post 1241, Vaxkiller wrote:^ This guy knows how to play mafia ^In post 1181, GuyInFreezer wrote:Vax is also town.
This is also 100% gutread from his ISO in general.
I already said that people could ask me about stuff and I'd answer as long as they didn't ask me about everything.In post 1855, Spiffeh wrote:It is very concerning that this is ALL S_S has to contribute ever since he's been off the chopping block
Especially since he promised to give reads and reasoning "later".
How long do I have to wait?
More like, as long as nobody cares what I have to say. And no, pretending to care by complaining about me not contributing isn't enough.In post 1908, MagnaofIllusion wrote:At this stage lack of Vaxkiller votes are holding up advancement to Defcon 1 and glorious flying Nukes. Let’s get on this people.
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As long as he thinks he can get away with not contributing …In post 1855, Spiffeh wrote:It is very concerning that this is ALL S_S has to contribute ever since he's been off the chopping block
Especially since he promised to give reads and reasoning "later".
How long do I have to wait?
In post 1899, Untrod Tripod wrote:A man after my own heart.In post 1878, Papa Zito wrote:I typically don't like tipping my hand to the scumteam as it is, in this game where I get to just fucking shoot them I'm even less inclined.
I've been slammed lately, but I'm off work Wednesday-Sunday so I'll go back tonight and see what I've missed or skimmed. Off the top of my head though, I'm unsure why SS is getting a pass going into D1 considering that he hasn't done anything that made his first post(s) in the game less awful and his vote on my wagon was opportunistic and scummy as shit. mastina is still terrible and nukeworthy. Grey is town as fk. not a huge fan of Cheet's post right before this. Accountant is town.
vote SSI still want this to die. I'm nuking it tomorrow, if I don't live that long someone else needs to nuke it.
Yeah ok I'm comfortable with my vote.In post 1902, Untrod Tripod wrote:nah
everything he said about me is awful and sounds faked.In post 1931, Cheetory6 wrote:Why.In post 1930, Something_Smart wrote:Yeah ok I'm comfortable with my vote.
why?In post 1932, Spiffeh wrote:S_S has been moved to the immediate nuke-age pile
I form reads by reading what the person says and taking a lot of small things into account. But I can't take notes because it would disrupt my thoughts and I don't have a god memory, so it's a pain for me to explain reads.In post 1934, Spiffeh wrote:Because there's no reason you shouldn't be able to actively share your thoughts on the game instead of deflecting to "well no one asked" when called out on your lack of contribution
Regardless of your alignment (which I think is scum anyway), anyone who refuses to do anything should be nuked so we can actually have a chance at PoEing
It's bad because he's calling me scum. Particularly, he's fixating on my first post and just writing all the others off as not influential to change his read based on that. He "still" wants me to die as if I've been his strongest scumread all game; for that to be true he had to have been hardly reading anything.In post 1936, Cheetory6 wrote:Yeah sorry no, you don't get to be generic. Words. Why is what he said bad and what sounds forced and be specific.In post 1933, Something_Smart wrote:everything he said about me is awful and sounds faked.
Vaxkiller because he tried to defend Ircher's post by accusing me of a misrep while making a misrep himself, he tried to appeal to people defending him, and his tone is very stilted and doesn't feel like town under unjust pressure.In post 1935, Spiffeh wrote:Other than UT who do you think is scum and why?
but then he shouldn't be demanding that I be nuked because that's basically asking other people to follow his read that he admits is uninformed and terribleIn post 1942, GuyInFreezer wrote:And he did admit to hardly reading anything no?He "still" wants me to die as if I've been his strongest scumread all game; for that to be true he had to have been hardly reading anything.
He's obviously trying to look like he believes in what he's doing, what with asking people to nuke me if he doesn't make it.In post 1947, GuyInFreezer wrote:So how does 1 goes to 2?In post 1944, Something_Smart wrote:1. but then he shouldn't be demanding that I be nuked because that's basically asking other people to follow his read that he admits is uninformed and terribleIn post 1942, GuyInFreezer wrote:And he did admit to hardly reading anything no?He "still" wants me to die as if I've been his strongest scumread all game; for that to be true he had to have been hardly reading anything.
2. he's trying to look like he believes in what he's doing when he doesn't
You're a scumlean.In post 1948, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Where'd I go? I thought I was your first "non-gut" read.In post 1941, Something_Smart wrote:Vaxkiller because he tried to defend Ircher's post by accusing me of a misrep while making a misrep himself, he tried to appeal to people defending him, and his tone is very stilted and doesn't feel like town under unjust pressure.
Ircher because his readlists contained numerous strange reads with weak or basically nonexistent reasoning (Cheetory, SpyreX, mastina, Cephrir, Reck, and me in particular).
Nukebringer because gut. Well, more than that, it seems like Firebringer is trying to imitate his town play and not doing a very good job of it.
No but several other people have done things that are overtly scummy. (And I do think some of my posts have been reasonably good, especially if you read into them as shallowly as UT read into 26.)In post 1952, Cheetory6 wrote:What posts from you should have changed his mind?In post 1941, Something_Smart wrote:It's bad because he's calling me scum.
Particularly, he's fixating on my first post and just writing all the others off as not influential to change his read based on that.
He "still" wants me to die as if I've been his strongest scumread all game; for that to be true he had to have been hardly reading anything.
Why would someone who's been reading the game not be able to have you as their strongest scumread? Do you think you've done something that makes it clear that you're town?
because he explicitly cited having read ALL my posts as the reason for that read.In post 1955, GuyInFreezer wrote:I can. Why can't he?In post 1953, Something_Smart wrote:So I'm assuming that he can't honestly believe in a read that's based on not reading the thread.
dude there's a votecount literally at the top of the pageIn post 1960, Vaxkiller wrote:What is so "fake" about anything I have said?In post 1933, Something_Smart wrote:everything he said about me is awful and sounds faked.
no uIn post 1968, Cephrir wrote:you are literally insaneIn post 1958, Something_Smart wrote:To be fair, it is possible that he scumreads me based on reading only what I've said. But to have me as his top scumread, to the point where he'd nuke me?
In post 1971, Cephrir wrote:welcome to mafia
people have strong opinions
if someone replaced in and came out and said CHEETORY6 IS OBVIOUSLY SCUM WTF GUYS, for example, I'd be mildly surprised, but I would buy that someone could potentially think that
discrediting of my UT read noted.In post 1973, Cephrir wrote:ss is just scum isn't he
I meanIn post 1977, Cephrir wrote:@ss
...really? that's the best you can come up with? i argued with your logic so you're just gonna call it ~discrediting~ and move on
nice buzzword i guess??
two things:In post 1986, Vaxkiller wrote:I didn't like this post by Mastina:She took her good old time responding to requests asking for the specific order (which it already was) and I have no complaints about that now. But the above post still reads like "look guys I really tried to get town things" when in this game it would have been perfectly acceptable for town to just go for the nuke.In post 1465, mastina wrote:What the hell.
I very specifically put in literally EVERY troop, in an order of most to least.
Given how many troops there were, I shoulda gotten at least ONE of them, especially since I figured...well.
Yaknow.
You'd be a bunch of nuke-happy gun-toting 'MURICANS.
Apparently not!
No Espionage. No Battleship. No Eavesdrop. No Aircraft Carrier. No Air Base. No Radar. No Dead Hand (my name for the failsafe). No Submarine. No Covert Ops Team. No Strategic Missile Defense. No Fighter. No Fallout Shelter. No Counterintelligence.
Literally EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. Of them got picked. By someone in the game.
Because if so much as ONE of them had been left unpicked, I should have gotten something!
Ircher/Cheetory/Gif likely town
The time between 1465, where she said what she did, and 1474, where she claimed the order, was 18 minutes.In post 1994, Vaxkiller wrote:1. Where does 18 min come from?
this is... super reachy to say the least.In post 2117, GuyInFreezer wrote:Oh btw the explanation.In post 2110, GuyInFreezer wrote:Man why did you have to say this nowIn post 2108, Untrod Tripod wrote:with a heavy dose of making-shit-up-as-I-go-along mixed in.
I was baiting him for more
> Main reasoningIn post 1933, Something_Smart wrote:everything he said about me is awful and sounds faked.
> "HeIn post 1941, Something_Smart wrote:It's bad because he's calling me scum. Particularly, he's fixating on my first post and just writing all the others off as not influential to change his read based on that. He "still" wants me to die as if I've been his strongest scumread all game; for that to be true he had to have been hardly reading anything.couldbe town if he actually barely read anything."
> Presents that he actually barely read anythingIn post 1942, GuyInFreezer wrote:And he did admit to hardly reading anything no?He "still" wants me to die as if I've been his strongest scumread all game; for that to be true he had to have been hardly reading anything.
> changes to "he's scum because he barely read anything and pushing the read"In post 1944, Something_Smart wrote:but then he shouldn't be demanding that I be nuked because that's basically asking other people to follow his read that he admits is uninformed and terrible
he's trying to look like he believes in what he's doing when he doesn't
> Voila! He finally connected to this altered scenario into his original reasoning of "sounds fake" argument!In post 1958, Something_Smart wrote:because he explicitly cited having read ALL my posts as the reason for that read.In post 1955, GuyInFreezer wrote:I can. Why can't he?In post 1953, Something_Smart wrote:So I'm assuming that he can't honestly believe in a read that's based on not reading the thread.
To be fair, it is possible that he scumreads me based on reading only what I've said. But to have me as his top scumread, to the point where he'd nuke me?
I don't buy it.
your post was intentionally manipulative?In post 2149, GuyInFreezer wrote:Completely intentional and is manipulative.In post 2148, Something_Smart wrote:and it's manipulative too, though it doesn't seem like that was intentional.
Town wouldn't have done what you've done here so yeah
I'll let you figure that one out by yourself.In post 2174, GuyInFreezer wrote:Ok so it had nothing to do with 2117. Why are you voting me again?
lolIn post 2179, GuyInFreezer wrote:The difference between my usage of that sentence vs yours is that mine the answer is pretty obvious while yours you have no answer.In post 2177, Something_Smart wrote:I'll let you figure that one out by yourself.In post 2174, GuyInFreezer wrote:Ok so it had nothing to do with 2117. Why are you voting me again?
who said it was?In post 2184, Accountant wrote:ssIn post 2175, Accountant wrote:In post 2171, Accountant wrote:why is manipulativeness a scum trait? I manipulate people as town all the time
the terrorist might thoIn post 2245, Cephrir wrote:A) I would rather lynch SS
B) Scum are never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, going to waste a kill on you if you're town
yes. I don't have the patience nor the concentration.In post 2248, MagnaofIllusion wrote:So you form reads by taking many small details into account. And you have a not so godlike memory so it is hard to explain it. But you don’t do the one thing that would make your playstyle effective (taking notes)?In post 1941, Something_Smart wrote:I form reads by reading what the person says and taking a lot of small things into account. But I can't take notes because it would disrupt my thoughts and I don't have a god memory, so it's a pain for me to explain reads.
This so can die …
ok bro“Just leave me alone so I can coast I promise I’ll be more effective at faking Town later in the game”In post 1941, Something_Smart wrote:By the same token, the fewer people left in the game, the more initiative I can take in explaining stuff. In other words my content level will increase as the game goes on.
it's how I work. see above.In post 2284, Nukebringer wrote:That's not how this works.In post 1930, Something_Smart wrote:I already said that people could ask me about stuff and I'd answer as long as they didn't ask me about everything.
I can't really tell the heads apart and tbh due to the avi I'm kinda attributing anything to him. Are there any particular posts by you that you want me to look at?What are your thoughts on the posts not by Firebringer? (Hint: He's the nice head.) Also, what are your thoughts on the following: Lady Lambdadelta, Ser Arthur Dayne, MagnaofIllusion, RedCoyote, hiplop, mastina?In post 1941, Something_Smart wrote:Vaxkiller because he tried to defend Ircher's post by accusing me of a misrep while making a misrep himself, he tried to appeal to people defending him, and his tone is very stilted and doesn't feel like town under unjust pressure.
Ircher because his readlists contained numerous strange reads with weak or basically nonexistent reasoning (Cheetory, SpyreX, mastina, Cephrir, Reck, and me in particular).
Nukebringer because gut. Well, more than that, it seems like Firebringer is trying to imitate his town play and not doing a very good job of it.
lmaoIn post 2305, Untrod Tripod wrote:this is the slot people are trying to saveIn post 26, Something_Smart wrote:oh hey I finally rolled town in a large![]()
but now I have 23 slots to sort...
I'll probably just sheep people who are actually good. (Which is like, everybody. Except me.)
look at that post and tell me that it's from town