BIOCHEMISTRY - game over, finally, it's only been 5 months

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VOTE: Vifam

@Mod and everyone, Titus is VLA on weekends. You may not be hearing from Titus until for few days.

~TB

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VOTE: beeboy
See ya guys D2.

Zomg!

*hugs*

~ObvTitus

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Spiffeh seems to hold Marq in a high regard for his play, he points out Marq has made the worst post so far, then changes his mind pretty quick. If Spiffeh was town and felt that Marq already had a bad/scummy post I don't think he'd let him get off that easy

I like this. Let me finish catchup.

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I, too, dislike Spiffeh's posts.

Town Sheep or scum sheep?

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The person to pressure today is Glorkington.
He is the easiest person to read when under pressure.

Id like to get that easy read out of the way.

~Rick, The Leader

Really Fire?

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Ok, I got my initial notes in. I'm going to let TB take charge for the weekend.

I'd like to see where this SAD thing goes.

[Voices of Truth]

The person to pressure today is Glorkington.
He is the easiest person to read when under pressure.

Id like to get that easy read out of the way.

~Rick, The Leader

Really Fire?

Yes, Titus?

~Rick (Fire), Leader

You think Gork is easier to sort than me by wagon? Even with our hydrae and years of experience playing together?

Doesn't sound right.

[Voices of Truth]

I agree with Gork's post about Fire not really believing pushing Gork will make him easier to read

Who am I? The Ghost of Lynches future?

~Titus

[Voices of Truth]

Wait our vote is on Vifam?

I am unvoting that.

UNVOTE: Vifam

Why doesn't SAD look scummy to you?

Gork, what color would you like your facepalm?

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Non-existant. :-p I would like your facepalm to be the same color too.

You and Vifam are town this game most likely. I'd like to work with you both to help us sort reads, particularly since in about 5 minutes I have to vamoose for the day.

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Botd?

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benefit of the doubt

Thanks. My hydra partner is told to vote anyone but you or Vifam to assist in reading us while I am out. Gotta run.

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I like identifying town I can work with as either alignment. As scum, I am less aggressive until I need to be.

I also want to get together with TB. We have a few differring reads atm.

I don't like SAD's play here so far. While I think there's a decent chance he's scum, someone in our hood just basically said don't try to wagon him because he'll be townread as scum, which makes about zero sense to me.

Fire's expressed reason for wagoning Gork over me is wrong (like he should be able to read me imo but he has been wrong before). I don't see pressure on Gork determining his alignment. I would like to see Fire's next scumread and see how he pushes them.

I think Creature's town but not at lock levels.

Marquis I am just tabling bc of Machina Mafia going sideways. If he's obvtown to everyone else, I am fine tabling that.

I may pop in and out. I am moving my roomate out today.

[Voices of Truth]

P.S. If Player X [withheld] makes no effort to say hi, they are likely scum.

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Will post more later tonight.

VOTE: Rem and Ram

Choo choo motherfucker!

For the record, I share a neighborhood with R&R. What they have been posting in there as well as here does not seem to come from town. Their hydra discordance comes across as unnatural and attempting to discredit the other head (in our hood) also comes across as unnatural.

I feel comfortable voting for this.

-Thinkbig

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Cool to hear other neighborhoods are being used.

Honestly I encourage using neighborhoods in this set up. There are 17 players, 4 scum, 4 neighborhoods. There is most likely one scum in each hood. It is easier to scum hunt in a pool of 4/5 than in a pool of 17.

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There is most likely one scum in each hood.

Holy

moly.

I actually brought that same point up in my hood.

Ps. I am quite hot and can use some more shades.

Thinking SAD/RR may be possible buddies.

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Spoiler: catch-up

Does this help the Rem and Ram scum case at all, or no?

Yeah

I'm getting noob town vibes from the thread which is why I wanted SAD to elaborate on his read there. But I understand if the neighborhood is a different story.

What was unsatisfactory about their responses in the neighborhood?

The heads of RAM are just melodramatic and fake. One head already accused the other head of lying. They also said not to run up SAD because he'll just get townread.

Sakura don't make me regret town reading you so early

But townreadnig me early is the best way to make me produce alignment relevant content!

Sakura what do you think of SAD?

I think that i dont know why he townreads or scumreads X or Y.

But what is your read on SAD? For good measure, Rem too?

For the record, I share a neighborhood with R&R. What they have been posting in there as well as here does not seem to come from town. Their hydra discordance comes across as unnatural and attempting to discredit the other head (in our hood) also comes across as unnatural.

Oh I have to deal with this bullshit. You're probs town for wanting me ran up like this.
Wowie, I didn't know playful behavoir is scummy.
Okay, let's out the whole neighborhood while we're at it, it's not like scum doesn't know this already because there is most likely 1 scum in here: Vifam, This Hydra, VoT Hydra, and BYF.
BTW reason why I SR BYF is a lot of their posts seem really fake in the hood.
-Rem (Ali)

You are not being run up for playful behavior.

VOTE: Titusdra

I am more used to Titus coming out of the gates pressuring people to get reads, this Titus just feels so buddy buddy and I don't like it.

*glares* i had real life.

Scum Butts {Titusdra, Rem and Ram}

In what world do you think two scum are in the same neighborhood together?
-Rem (Ali)

Interesting deflection.

Like who actually gains anything by knowing that?

If you scumread Rem and Ram, why are you voting the counter?

Looked like a counterwagon to SAD tbqh

They are likely both scum. If you engage in counterwagons theory, please use all the wagons.

Plus the Titus/ThinkBig hydra "waiting" to see how the SAD wagon goes while not hesitating to get on Rem leaves a bad taste in my mouth, especially since she seemed to scumread Rem specifically cuz of a discussion in the neighborhood about SAD

I couldn't push it because I was VLA. Plus, I wanted to see if SAD and RR made sense as buddies.

Alisae why do you think Sakura is scum?

-Rick

Do you have any scum reads atm?

Not really, i dont feel like putting much effort into the game atm.

I should probably just sheep Majiffy.

VOTE: R&R

Because this sequence of events is scummy.
-Rem (Ali)

That is the least scummy thing about Sakura's recent posting.

Hey while we're stating the obvious, we're also all playing mafia, pretty sure

You are making it incredibly hard to shout at you, and I even had a gif.

Btw, Vecna and MoI seemed towny in the neighborhood (though I won't pull a randomidget).

Marquis not so much.

Are you scum?

I am kinda frustrated that a) my scumreads are basically just theowing shade claiming I am bussing without arguing why I am scum in the first place. I am extremely disappointed in Vifam because I doubt they are scum and doing it. b) I have little reads outside of the popular ones. I wanted to gif fight Majiffy.

I want to lynch in SAD/RR.
I want to sort RA, Beeboy, Sakura, Vecna, MOI.

[Voices of Truth]

Hi Vifam, seems like we got an appointment with each other.

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I, too, dislike Spiffeh's posts.

Town Sheep or scum sheep?

Ok, I got my initial notes in. I'm going to let TB take charge for the weekend.

I'd like to see where this SAD thing goes.

Vecna is town
Creature is town
Cheetory lean town
Voices by far my strongest scumread

Vote: Voices

Reality doesn't agree with you.

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Say, why don't you do another reads list?

Second, if you think I am bussing Rem, why don't you just vote RR? Why try to divide on two wagons rather than unite? Is it because you don't want me clear on a Rem scumflip?

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Or does it.

Strengthening a scumread from "let's see where this goes" to "I want to lynch" is also an OMGUS. So you put me at somewhere lean scum I guess (the first post you quoted doesn't even say I'm scum it says you don't know if I'm town or scum - which is literally the only 2 alignments I have no idea what the point of that post was, and second is such a wishy-wash non commital read). But then I went to super hardcore scum when I called out your obvscum posting.

Now you're stretching things hardcore. I suspected you. You OMGUSed me. Then, you started trying to link me to my other scumread while avoiding voting them. You want me to be a choice based in this theory and it makes it highly likely you are RR's scum partner.

You accuse me of bussing despite having no stated reasons for scumreading RR, then walk back your RR read when expected to vote there. The logical question being why divide the wagons when both would flip scum?

You implictly claim that your reasons for scumreading RR were not posted in thread, yet you ingore/pretend my scumread on you never existed to discredit me.

Readslist or not?

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Titus I am activating my one free town read card that you gave me so that you will town read me for this game.
Redeeming it now.

-Rick (Fire), Leader

Redeemed if you are town.

Now, tell me your thoughts on my sort list.

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@MOI- 357 was ThinkBig

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Do you think SAD/RR are distancing from Steven Quartz? Yume hasn't said hi yet.

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Ser Arthur Dayne + Rem and Ram + Rick and Andrea + Steven Quartz scumteam?

Why are you voting Majiffy if you feel this to be true?

Not so sure on R and A in there.

@Fire, Don't you think Yume would say hi to me?

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Ser Arthur Dayne + Rem and Ram + Rick and Andrea + Steven Quartz scumteam?

You know how hard I would buss Steven quartz if this were true?

-Rick

That is a point in your favor but also very preflip...

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Ser Arthur Dayne + Rem and Ram + Rick and Andrea + Steven Quartz scumteam?

Why are you voting Majiffy if you feel this to be true?

Not so sure on R and A in there.

@Fire, Don't you think Yume would say hi to me?

Is them saying hi supposed to be alignment indicative?

-Rick

I'd think so. They kinda like me.

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Ser Arthur Dayne + Rem and Ram + Rick and Andrea + Steven Quartz scumteam?

Why are you voting Majiffy if you feel this to be true?

Not so sure on R and A in there.

@Fire, Don't you think Yume would say hi to me?

idk where to move my vote.

Why not RR since they have a wagon?

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Ser Arthur Dayne + Rem and Ram + Rick and Andrea + Steven Quartz scumteam?

Why are you voting Majiffy if you feel this to be true?

Not so sure on R and A in there.

@Fire, Don't you think Yume would say hi to me?

idk where to move my vote.

Why not RR since they have a wagon?

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

Ok, you are just inspiring massive vodka drinks.

RR in this game is Rem and Ram. Drixx and Cerb are not playing.

[Voices of Truth]

Titus can you explain your RR scum read/point to me where you did

I have faith that you will actually follow through on this request unlike everyone else I've asked

Acknowledged. Doing it now.

[Voices of Truth]

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Vote SAD

Hey, I had gut from the early posting but nothing I could hang my hat on.

Then, they began posting off in the hood when I suggested wagoning SAD. They said essentially "don't bother, they'll get townread". Yet, they didn't appear to be SRing SAD.

We pressured more on that by asking who we should shoot if we had a Desperado. They said someone in the hood, so Vifam. (Around 4 pm yesterday) They never justified this. They had issues with BYF too, so a PoE to

In 416 through their next chain in public, they complain about being run up for playful and deflect hard core. They pushed one scum in the hood since the start (and I let my hydra partner run with that), and have been attacking the hood almost exclusively.

[Voices of Truth]

Are we going to spend the rest of the day looking for SAD's/RR's/R&A's scum partner?

Can you vote Rem and Ram?

I don't think R and A is scum here?

[Voices of Truth]

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Vote SAD

Hey, I had gut from the early posting but nothing I could hang my hat on.

Then, they began posting off in the hood when I suggested wagoning SAD. They said essentially "don't bother, they'll get townread". Yet, they didn't appear to be SRing SAD.

We pressured more on that by asking who we should shoot if we had a Desperado. They said someone in the hood, so Vifam. (Around 4 pm yesterday) They never justified this. They had issues with BYF too, so a PoE to

In 416 through their next chain in public, they complain about being run up for playful and deflect hard core. They pushed one scum in the hood since the start (and I let my hydra partner run with that), and have been attacking the hood almost exclusively.

No idea what you are even talking about.

-Rick

Spiffeh asked for an explanation of how my RR scumread started.

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Oh all posts today are

~ObvTitus

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Vifam, where'd you go? I wanted to dance.

~ObvTitus

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Okay, tomorrow I'll fake a guilty on Rick and Andrea.

I don't believe that is remotely true.....
Proof?

-Rick (Fire)

Really Firebringer...

Pretend I am a idiot.
I'd go hunt for it myself but you have the burden of proof.

I am not going to claim I am a god at reading Creature.

-Rick

I really do not. If you want to believe he is scum by all means go ahead I'm not gonna defend him from you. I am telling you though he is heavily town from my experience of his meta, choose to do with this whatever you want feel free to ignore it.

I have doubts about any strong town Creature read if he repeatedly votes outside of his obvious scum block, once for a hydra not even in the game. How can you have faith in that?

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Just bolding non-striked so you can all see:

Ser Arthur Dayne

MagnaofIllusion
Gorkington
Spiffeh

Rem and Ram (Alisae and Human Sequencer)

Sakura Hana

Rick and Andrea (Firebringer and MariaR)

Vifam

kuror0

Vecna
Voices of Truth (Titus and Thinkbig)

Majiffy

BigYoshiFan
beeboy

Steven Quartz

Creature

Marquis

Why are Vecna, Sakura, and beeboy struck?

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Since when is bad play scum?

I'm not saying he's a good player or that his reads are good (lmao ffs he's scumreading me) but reads Creature is town Creature.

How can you believe much less be certain that Creature has reads at all with the Reasonably Rational vote?

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The strikes mean he townreads then

I am asking why.

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Since when is bad play scum?

I'm not saying he's a good player or that his reads are good (lmao ffs he's scumreading me) but reads Creature is town Creature.

How can you believe much less be certain that Creature has reads at all with the Reasonably Rational vote?

Btw, it was intentional.

Why? Why do you TR Vecna, beeboy and Sakura?

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There's several things missing from SAD DEFCON than SAD here, but that doesn't make him scum.
I am more concerned that he seems bent on more posturing than pushing, but posturing is a go to for him regardless of alignment I think.

-Rick

What are the differences and why are they NAI to you?

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Hi Sakura.

You want to dance?

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Hi Sakura.

You want to dance?

~Titus

@Spiffeh, You know my history with "jokes".

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Vote SAD

Hey, I had gut from the early posting but nothing I could hang my hat on.

Then, they began posting off in the hood when I suggested wagoning SAD. They said essentially "don't bother, they'll get townread". Yet, they didn't appear to be SRing SAD.

We pressured more on that by asking who we should shoot if we had a Desperado. They said someone in the hood, so Vifam. (Around 4 pm yesterday) They never justified this. They had issues with BYF too, so a PoE to

In 416 through their next chain in public, they complain about being run up for playful and deflect hard core. They pushed one scum in the hood since the start (and I let my hydra partner run with that), and have been attacking the hood almost exclusively.

This is why neighborhoods suck

It seems like hood reasons are primarily why R&R is being wagoned and I'm not going to put my faith into something I can't evaluate myself

I don't think attacking your hood exclusively is all that scummy. I don't think it'd be out of the ordinary for a town!newer player to get frustrated and lash out against the people that are scum reading them if they think they're being pushed for bad reasons.

R&R calling out that there are scum on their wagon seemed town to me, especially since I generally default to that same reasoning if I believe the pushes on me are unwarranted.

It's the complete inconsistency.

They scumread BYF, but would have me desperado Vifam. Yet, they argue only one scum in the hood? You can evaluate what I said the contents of the hood were.

No one's disputing my comment about Rem saying SAD should not be wagoned because SAD would get townreads.

No one's disputing that Rem wanted a Desperado shot on Vifam based on hood PoE but scumread BYF allegedly.

No one's disputing Rem's deflections and strawmanning of pushing against her.

If no one disputes a statement about hood activities, and they can, it's generally ok to use them.

SAD and Rem have called each other scum most of the game, but never voted each other.

SAD also reminds me of SirCakez in Steven Universe 2.

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Oh yeah, forgot about that, sure.

^
@ObvTitus

If I gave you a compulsive Desperado shot right now, who would you shoot? Why?

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You can literally find those 2 explanations on my ISO, dunno what the point of that was.

I want only one name.

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Creature umm...
Why?
-Ali

Insulate: Rem and Ram

Hint, that means someone's going to the graveyard.

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I would prefer a SAD desperado personally since he seems intent on fos you Titus.
As well as one of two of you confirm seems way better than RR confirmed.

-Rick

Hmmph, I generally don't take the chance if wrong that I townfirm someone who only says something wrong. Better to just prove it.

Do you think I am dead or R and R?

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This post is from the standpoint that he knows I am Town and is trying to leverage Defcon where we mutually scum-read each other as Town to discredit my read on him and thus scummy.

MoI if we are both town this game again you must agree to never scumread me again in any game b/c you clearly can't read me.

No, you are not going to respond sarcastically to this, or say I am scum for saying it. You will say you agree. And if you don't I will skip every post you make this game, I am not planning on getting into an argument with you every game we're in.

Do you think I am dead or R and R are dead?

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Lol @MoI ignoring my post that's how you can tell he's bsing.

This post is from the standpoint that he knows I am Town and is trying to leverage Defcon where we mutually scum-read each other as Town to discredit my read on him and thus scummy.

MoI if we are both town this game again you must agree to never scumread me again in any game b/c you clearly can't read me.

No, you are not going to respond sarcastically to this, or say I am scum for saying it. You will say you agree. And if you don't I will skip every post you make this game, I am not planning on getting into an argument with you every game we're in.

Nah. I mean you are pretty obv-scum at this point so no point in engaging when your first line is "If we are both Town". All that post was meant to was to posture as if you are Town. The fact that you are now trying to discredit my read says all that needs to be said ... scum scrambling to find any way to shut down the pressure on you.

@Everyone

- Note how this post shows that his earlier "I get the best reads when scumread" was forced casual posting. If he really felt that as Town he'd not worry about me pursuing a scum read on him. But he's clearly worried since he's doing everything he can to discredit me while not addressing the reasons. More SAD votes would be very appropriate and much appreciated!

SAD is a good vote

[Voices of Truth]

Vecna/SAD/Voices/Sakura all ok lynches 2 me

You going to talk to me or?

[Voices of Truth]

My bad what do you wanna talk about

Why you scumread me for starters?

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Didn't like how you held back on voting SAD yet hopped on the Rem&Ram wagon as it was starting to gain speed, especially since you seem to think Rem&Ram are scummy because they said they didn't want to apply pressure on SAD in the hood. Which implies you thought they were partners, so why did you hop on the building counterwagon instead of joining the already established SAD wagon

I held back on voting SAD when I had to go for IRL. I like to engage with a player, particularly if they are tunnelling me, to see the motivation behind the tunnel.

I picked Rem because a)their answers are independently scummy b) I drive people crazy occasionally c) a wagon with momentum is good and might have had more votes.

If SAD gets more votes, I am good with that too.

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@SAD, You've called Spiffeh terrible, MoI terrible, me terrible/scum. At some point, if you're driving all of town to scumread you consistently, either a) you're scum or b) you're doing something wrong. The entire town doesn't have a vendetta against you.

[Voices of Truth]

Dunno RR seems to have lost votes, and SAD seems to have gained them, what are you doing Titus?

Waiting for a VC.

[Voices of Truth]

Who isn't down to vote Titus and why are you that way?

I'll reserve my judgement until Titus decides to finally read my supposedly want to sort early self.

Huh? Rephrase?

Can I get a reads list from you?

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Ok, first things first. Easy stuff. TB is VLA on weekends always.

Second, MoI your interaction with SAD helped me sort you.

Third, VOTE: SAD

Fourth, finally something to GIF fight Majiffy on.

[Voices of Truth]

Why bother making all scum members join wagons and possibly be VCAd rather than staying in the Not Voting section and not be caught by VCA?

Who says not voting is immune to my data charms?

[Voices of Truth]

I ISOed Vecna again and still heavy gut town.

This is the one thing we agree on.

[Voices of Truth]

ThinkBig still not posting?

Nope, but he will when he gets here.

[Voices of Truth]

Titus: Vecna is town.
Majiffy: My reply should be below.

[Voices of Truth]

I'll be posting later. Still super busy.

[Voices of Truth]

*coughs*
Lets try that again

Titus: Vecna is town.
Majiffy: My reply should be below.

Creature's my number 3. SAD and RR are higher. I'd do it, but a woman's got her preferences.

P-edit: Michael Bay makes explosions boring too.

[Voices of Truth]

Creature's my number 3. SAD and RR are higher. I'd do it, but a woman's got her preferences.

[Voices of Truth]

Sakura, did you ever rephrase that question I couldn't follow?

[Voices of Truth]

@Sakura - 856

[Voices of Truth]

But it's related to this:

I want to sort RA, Beeboy, Sakura, Vecna, MOI.

Then later you asked me if i wanted to dance and gave me a question about a supposed desperado shot.
Since then you seem to have done nothing with the info wrt me.

Not yet. I am seeing if your actions match your beliefs. You are gun to my head town, which is good enough for now. I was hoping to sed Gundam Seed Sakura but that's ages ago.

That hydra in the post above me said...

Titus, I'm having a hard time buying that you truly think the inconsistency between our beliefs are scummy.

And I should care if my scumread believes me or not? Hell your own heads accused each other of lying.

[Voices of Truth]

Oh trust me Titus can be really bad at this game quite a lot

I can also be quite good. If I can eliminate the assholes, I shine.

@REM, I am fully capable of reconsidering. Begging me is not effective. Tell me who else is scum. That is effective. Pleading with me is manipulative AtE. Scumhunting is town.

[Voices of Truth]

I am scumhunting, I'm actively trying to sort your slot atm and you're making it really difficult.
Would you help me out with that?
-HS

You can sort me through me talking with slots that don't discredit itself for no protown reason.

I am willing to discuss reads with you.

I don't justify scumreads to scumreads.

[Voices of Truth]

Titus an R&R lynch isn't happening today, too many stated reservations.

Cuddle up close with me on Creature.

I am on SAD.

[Voices of Truth]

Fuck off with that bullshit. Alisae was joking.
What is the scum motivation for that discredit? As you said she LITERALLY DISCREDITED HER OWN HYDRA HEAD
Unless you think she's just in such a scummy mindset that she instinctively jumps on discredit opportunities like that? In which case, why isn't she still doing it? Why isn't the thread littered with those little discredits?
-HS

The hydra interaction looks fake to me. I don't know why you acted like you did as town, and see scum motivation.

[Voices of Truth]

Titus an R&R lynch isn't happening today, too many stated reservations.

Cuddle up close with me on Creature.

I am on SAD.

Not really. If I am right, obvious VCA positives along with flipping scum.

If I am wrong, eliminating noise factor plus VCA advantages.

VCA doesn't suggest I am wrong either.

Win win.

[Voices of Truth]

Gork, weren't you saying you don't want much filler in the game right now? Don't see why you posted that.

Anyways, right now I am not 100% against SAD lynch, but I am worried about Beeboy and Creature atm, because I feel Beeboy reads and thoughts are just empty space. Creature with his reads just being super bad.

I had an argument with Maria earlier about why she scumread SAD, and I decided to let her keep pushing that.

I prefer to lead hydra, obviously but she knows SAD much better than me.


~Rick (Firebringer), Maria Subordinate for today.

Beeboy is in my sort list for a reason.

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My day2 is probably going to be more to your type of liking though, if youre town this game. All part of the plan.

I am just keeping this in wtf prob townish category.

[Voices of Truth]

Again gonna say Firebringer doesn't play like this as town.

Would like Titus' input on this. Can you compare it to your bastard hydra experiences with FB titus? I knew I ended up sr'ing your slot that game.

I think Fire's town but not 100% sold.

[Voices of Truth]

Titus, engage with me some, because im actually very surprised that you have a gut townread on me, even after MOI outed that we had a discussion/fights in our PT about mechanics.

That's a reason to TR you, not SR you.

[Voices of Truth]

VOTE: Steven Quartz

This vote stays until a fuck is given by this slot

Yeah this is awful

It's inevitable that this slot will be replaced. You seemed to have some strong opinions as you caught up but opted to do the least useful thing you can do with your vote.

Disagree.

[Voices of Truth]

Again gonna say Firebringer doesn't play like this as town.

Would like Titus' input on this. Can you compare it to your bastard hydra experiences with FB titus? I knew I ended up sr'ing your slot that game.

I think Fire's town but not 100% sold.

I am playing like a very specific game Titus, one you ONLY know about.
If you can name it, maybe you will be sold.

~Rick

Ugh, meta. Offsite meta. Ugh, lemme think on this one.

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The Yume alt is most likely town because people are poking at it for being Yume. If it was scum I would expect people to just leave it alone tbh.
I mean seriously, this is textbook Yume.
-Ali

What?

SU2 Yume disagrees with you.

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VOTE: Voices of Foot

This is hands down obvious scum with SAD.

He treats me like I am town only to change wagons when SAD momentum dies. He has zero questions for me or any pretense of a scumread.

@Jiffy, I am willing to vote Creature tomorrow. Why break up and have two wagons on scum?

SAD-Creature-beeboy-RR-Quartz <---Scum's likely in that pile. No less than 3 here.

[Voices of Truth]

Why would town want to lynch town? This is a game where we're supposed to lynch scum, not random lynch.

So why are you voting me? Riight.

[Voices of Truth]

Quartz is useless to try to read until the slot gets replaced. Beeboy and SAD are townreads. R&R is... iffy.


Just lynch Creature with me.

Yeah, come on Jiffy.

Why should I think a Creature wagon will actually go? Why would I dismantle a wagon on obvious scum/scum helpful SAD to wagon Creature when scum are piling on my wagon to save SAD? You think miraculously that would actually ensure a good for town lynch? Level with me here. You're expecting me to play russian roulette with my life.

[Voices of Truth]

Please read how confident Titus is here about me scum and then read her "Even if he's town it'll take down the noise factor and maybe even help VCA". Bs justification she put to backtrack out of my town flip.

You have never played with me before. My VCA is my favorite tool. Your attempts to shade my VCA are moves that only further convince me that you're scum and the wagon is because I am right, you're either scum or a detraction. If I get a good solid townblock, I wreck games. I have that.

Now, your Creature read. He voted you on my insistence, yet voted me nakedly.

[Voices of Truth]

idk, I'm not going to stay in the SAD wagon the entire day, we have time.

Yeah, since you're not even voting SAD, this is already a true statement.

[Voices of Truth]

Voice of Truth wagon is really really bad right now.
I am going to sort Titus hydra with a night action. This wagon should dissipate.

~Rick (Firebringer)

That would indeed be very convenient. Let the scumteam worry about one of them being outted, OR a townckeared titus. Good

Vote Creature or SAD my man, please.

[Voices of Truth]

I have played with you before the fuck you talking about.

Yeah, I don't recall you. Anyone who plays a significant amount of games with me knows how I scumhunt. Vifam is literally the best vote on my wagon having seen me in Smackdown and that's about it.

If you actually have seen my towngame, you wouldn't be arguing my VCA and PoE is scummy.

[Voices of Truth]

why do you think sad is scum titus

Perpetual garbage tunnel on me, trying to argue my town meta is scummy while having extreme ignorance of the votes cast on me, ignoring anything else that goes on in the game, lying, shading my vca.

He ignored Fire's post about using a night action on me.
He ignored Creature's shitty vote on me.
He ignored many slots saying I am town.

He shaded every slot that voted him saying bad or scum, with little effort to sort each voter.

He claimed he gets better reads after being wagoned, but his reads are shit and just omgus garbage.

He acts like he's played with me before, but then acts like I should never value VCA.

[Voices of Truth]

why do you think sad is scum titus

What do you think of Creature and SAD?

[Voices of Truth]

You have never played with me before.

Yeah, I don't recall you.

Lmao.

Yeah, rather than laughing, you could say where you played with me.

[Voices of Truth]

In the same fucking game I linked to Sakura earlier maybe if you're reading and clicking shot you'll see your huge name in the player list.

NY 169 was fucking years ago. Even then, I had strong scumreads, I pursued to the ends of the earth. I still don't recall you there. Who were you?

[Voices of Truth]

last three points feel like theyre kind of rendered pretty useless by his wagon analysis.

if hes very confident that youre scum, do you really think sad is going to attack people that help the wagon on you happen as its happening?

there are many slots saying sad is town.
does that make your vote on him scummy?

He's very confident I am a threat to him. Town just don't use lies to get what they want. Sakura knows he's full of shit. Spiffeh knows he's full of shit. Town and Scum both look at their wagon for enemies. It's just how they look.

Yeah, I am not hearing many voices say SAD is town, and they aren't my townblock.

[Voices of Truth]

if sad is scum, i do not think he sees you as a threat here.

And then why the exclusive tunnel? Why do his buddies pile on? The behavior doesn't make sense but for scum saving SAD regardless of SAD's alignment.

[Voices of Truth]

like, i think youre stretching pretty hard with some of your reasoning.
which is fine.
we all do it.

but i dont look at your points and think "oh yeah maybe sad is scum".
and im coming from a place of still being incredibly wary of him.
so if this is genuinely townTitus trying to organize things, you should take a step back, organize your thoughts on him into something particularly tangible/easy for people to digest and then push it.
otherwise youre just making waves and giving sad noise to respond to.

Who are you SRing?

[Voices of Truth]

it makes sense for sad generating content by pushing a wagon on someone its easy to attack.
i dont think its arguable that youre a very easy target.

p-edit: no one strongly.
which is why im trying to take a break.
im only chiming in because i dont like how much this is probably going to pointlessly explode the thread if it keeps going.

What do you need to get strong scumreads?
Why not sheep me or Jiffy until you get them?
If SAD spamming stops you from getting said scumreads, isn't that reason alone to vote him?

[Voices of Truth]

im not voting someone out of utility short of a deadline crunch.
i'll have strong reads when i make time to read individual ISOs and make time to really think about it.
not by sheeping people.

and if i was going to sheep someone it would probably be fire atm.

Well, go read SAD and Creature. I will be out most of the day, so that should help you.

[Voices of Truth]

so if this is genuinely townTitus trying to organize things, you should take a step back, organize your thoughts on him into something particularly tangible/easy for people to digest and then push it.
otherwise youre just making waves and giving sad noise to respond to.

gork speaks so much truth

til gork and i are the same person

titus; {me, arthur, creature and somebody else idk who} is scum, great, help me bus creature

Yeah I don't even know what that last line is saying.

[Voices of Truth]

Titus is town, Arthur is town, don't let this destroy the thread kthx.
Help me lynch creature then everything will be All Right

pedit ok let me rephrase
you said creature and i are scum together, great, help me bus creature if that's the case
-HS

Why would I back off my scumread that has a larger wagon to a scumread that doesn't, when it's my ass in a sling if it fails? I am promoting the Creature wagon because I SR Creature too but if no one will vote it, then I'd be risking my ass for nothing.

Worst case scenario, sad's flip still helps town.

He's pretty obvious scum dodging giving thoughts on Creature anyway.

[Voices of Truth]

Well SAD wagon is dead now. Tyvm Sakura.

VOTE: Creature

[Voices of Truth]

R and R is town. I was wrong.

Still never throw your hydra partner under the bus without a plan unless absolutely necessary.

[Voices of Truth]

This Voice wagon is pure shit.
Sakura voting it has just made me drop my townread of her.

Like, I know she isn't trying very hard, but now I think its detracting from helping the game.

~Rick

Let's just lynch Creature.

Sakura voted me after I indicated I would vote Creature.

[Voices of Truth]

> Can only be scum with SAD
> Gets wagoned before him being lynched

No one said you can only be scum with SAD.

[Voices of Truth]

Hey all, I have been incredibly busy this week with midterms (chemistry midterm is today and that should be he last one). I will be posting tonight after work. Sorry for the inactivity.

-TB

[Voices of Truth]

You're saying I am scum for derailing SAD wagon.

No. That's not what I said.

You're scum for treating me like I am town and sheeping me and then suddenly 180ing to vote me.
You're scum for your prior posts which are just all sorts of awful and not hunting, and defensuve.

None of that requires SAD as a partner.

[Voices of Truth]

It's possible SAD and VoT are scum together and Titus is trying to tie me with SAD.

I mean she's trying to tie you to Sakura now implying her voting Titus is to detail your wagon.

Lies. I still haven't suggested Sakura as scum.

[Voices of Truth]

Let's just lynch Creature.

Sakura voted me after I indicated I would vote Creature.

This is directly implying Sakura-Creature scum how are you gonna lie.

No. I didn't imply Sakura scum there. I was telling Fire that if he scumread Sakura, then she only feels the need to do that if Creature is scum.

I don't SR Sakura. I think Sakura's just pissed.

[Voices of Truth]

Sakura isn't tied to Creature, Titus.
If one is scum I don't think the other is.

You might need space from this game because you are just looking at people pushing you which is affecting your judgement.

~Rick

Well, I am getting space because of RL anyway.

My judgment is fine tyvm. I wouldn't be wagoned if I was terribly wrong but protected instead, as I have eliminated my anti-town behaviors. I cannot force you to see that through.

[Voices of Truth]

Creature SAD Quartz Beeboy

There you go. That's where I am at on scum.

Vifam and Sakura most definitely town.

[Voices of Truth]

"Everybody voting me is scum, all scum are on me"

You basically did this early game.
SAD basically did this in this game.

~Rick

This is a pretty big misinterpretation of the events.
P-Edit: Ninja'd

It isn't. Even for his townreads SAD basically calls them pieces of shit, particularly MoI.

Now, how the fuck are you TRing Creature?

[Voices of Truth]

Well, I am getting space because of RL anyway.

My judgment is fine tyvm. I wouldn't be wagoned if I was terribly wrong but protected instead, as I have eliminated my anti-town behaviors. I cannot force you to see that through.

I am sorry if I am being a dick.

I am very irritable at the moment because of my own issues. Me seeing Sakura ignore my post about sorting you didn't help me, but I think sometimes I am just a ticking time bomb for stupid anger.

VOTE: Creature

Sakura is likely town.

~Rick

Not a dick. I will let you know if you are.

[Voices of Truth]

Now, how the fuck are you TRing Creature?

For someone with "awful posts"
He's done a very good meta assesment of my play and got a very accurate read out of it.
Something no one in this game has even bothered to do, maybe except SAD.

So he knows you are town and has your meta. Boo hoo.

Meta is hot trash.

Stop giving scum who TR you a pass.

[Voices of Truth]

So he knows you are town and has your meta. Boo hoo.

Meta is hot trash.

Stop giving scum who TR you a pass.

What's the scum motivation of using my meta to TR me when we have never played together? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Same one if you had. Buddying, deflection. He already knows you're town and town cuz meta is easy.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go to the most unpleasant doctor's visit for awhile.

[Voices of Truth]

VOTE: Vecna

Vifam who are you scumreading and what do you think of Titus now.

I still think she could be scum but these last few pages make me unsure

I don't think scum Titus would blatantly omgus like she has done

Except that isn't even true...

[Voices of Truth]

At the same time tho she made the same "scum is threatened by me" comment when she was scum in WWE Mafia so

If you're going to meta me, look at town games too.

[Voices of Truth]

I'm almost finished reading and catching up. Will hopefully engage with you all tomorrow morning after synagogue.

@Mod, I am V/LA this weekend due to several events at my synagogue.

Looking forward to engaging with you all tomorrow morning.

-TB

[Voices of Truth]

Hey Vecna, your current vote is not helping. I will not be voting there barring MoI lurking like a mothertrucker. Real life happens. People value their plans and thing only scum would disagree. It's the same problem town ran into in Thing Mafia. You do not need to exacerbate the problem.

Join me on Creature.

[Voices of Truth]

It does though.

The amount of times I've seen MoI wrongfully hardcore tunnel on town means I have 0 trust in his pushes anymore. The amount of times he is correct is not higher probability than if he were picking a random person from the playerlist.

But a lot of people have wrong reads all the time. The real problem with MoI is that once he has you as a scumread you cannot do anything to not get scumread. He plays with a caste system, and will make huge walls with a bunch of your posts and call them scummy in a sarcastic way. You can't ignore him either because people for some unknown reason listen to him and then pile votes with him (usually scum because it's so easy to sheep a big wall of logic that looks right).

This makes me want to sheep MoI but I TR Vecna.

Why are you supposing MoI is town?

[Voices of Truth]

lol.
isnt it hypocritical for you to complain about creating anti-town noise with a tunnel when you were literally doing that with vot earlier?

You get a cookie. What flavor would you like? Any orders after 30 minutes will be delivered tomorrow.

[Voices of Truth]

Prod dodge I'ma have a talk with fire and then make a post
Sad Micky and Yoshi are my town block atm
~Andrea

Micky?

[Voices of Truth]

I DONT WANT YOUR SCUM COOKIES TITUS YOU PROBABLY PUT POISON IN THEM

Nah, you cannot call SaD's play anti-town and argue he's right at the same time. He's commenting on other slots now and being less anti-town.

You just acted like you knew I was town. Cookie offer was a test. You failed.

Gork's sheeper scum.

[Voices of Truth]

yeah okay.
lets dismiss all of my points because generic reasons that dont mean anything yeayayayayyayayayayayayayay

p-edit: lol
you sure you want to do this titus?

Why not? Is there some secret dayvig role you got? By fighting you, it's win/win. If town, you see the fuck up you made. If scum, I expose it for the thread to see.

Why should I run and cower from you? Why are you deflecting from the fact you just posted you knew I was town?

[Voices of Truth]

I DONT WANT YOUR SCUM COOKIES TITUS YOU PROBABLY PUT POISON IN THEM

Refresh me on your VoT scum read Gork. They are Null to me mainly for the what I see as weak play from Titus. The fact that scum-SAD is the main pusher of the wagon doesn't incline me to want to vote there.

I was vla at gamestart. I am here now. Talk to me about your not!Vecna reads.

[Voices of Truth]

I DONT WANT YOUR SCUM COOKIES TITUS YOU PROBABLY PUT POISON IN THEM

Nah, you cannot call SaD's play anti-town and argue he's right at the same time. He's commenting on other slots now and being less anti-town.

You just acted like you knew I was town. Cookie offer was a test. You failed.

Gork's sheeper scum.

I'm having a hard time deciphering what this post means and if it is a joke post or not.

Can you please reword it or just say it's a joke so I ignore it :S

If I joke, I indicate it.

Gork says I am scum.
Gork says your tunnel is as Anti town as MoIs. Tunnels are only anti-town if the target is town. Thus Gork says I am town.
Gork then says I am scum when I reach out.

Gork's just doing flavor of the month scumreads in his ISO.

[Voices of Truth]

yeah okay.
lets dismiss all of my points because generic reasons that dont mean anything yeayayayayyayayayayayayayay

Gork you have to realize SAD is playing the "talk crap" card because he's a child who is still butthurt that he got lynched Day 2 in Defcon. He talks a big game about not caring about being lynched but clearly his reactions to his wagon here show otherwise. And this is regardless of whether he is bad Town like Defcon or scum who AtEd his wagon away and is laying the groundwork to undermine any pushes on him after I'm dead as "MoI" sucks.

So you aren't going to get him to be reasonable regardless so don't waste your time.

Yeah not happening.

Just talk about not!Vecna/SAD. I am starting to agree SAD is that slot that throws a fit if he doesn't get his way rather than scum.

[Voices of Truth]

spiff was in mafiaception.
hes going to back me up here.

marquis was in mafiaception.
hes going to back me up here.

youre done.

Spiffeh actually is paragon and TRs me.

Go ahead. You seem to want to throw weight around rather than respond to your SRs being all popular sheeps. Then the OMGUS.

[Voices of Truth]

VOTE: voices of truth

Better be carefull whoever is about to attack me over this vote (yes i know its coming, better make it good)

Stop being dumb. K thx.

[Voices of Truth]

Spiffeh actually is paragon and TRs me.

yeah wait till he comes back and sees what you just tried.

*shrug* Just proving you're scum. Ok.

Go ahead. Just noting the wagons you don't sheep for later.

Like, you seriously think you can post garbage like TR me right now or else and expect to dodge a near slip? Ok.

[Voices of Truth]

Ill respond more in depth later from behind an actual computer, but just to clarify some points;

The extrapolation was about how scum is distributed amongst neighbourhoods. Yes?

Moi just admitted himself that only one of those 3 games use neighbourhoods from the start. So tell me then, how was my statement misrep that the extrapolation was based on one game?

It's comical that Vecna keeps trying to say "Only 1 of three games had a Neighborhood from the start" as a talking point.

Both games that had Neighborhood elements had those elements as 100% Town. In UPick Science the Neighborhood of 3 started with 3 Town. In Inorganic the Town started with three Neighborizors (you know, a Neighborhood element) and zero scum Neighborizors. So 100% of the time in these three Science based games when Neighborhood elements were present they were 100% Town.

Is this game going to have 100% Town Neighborhoods? Of course not. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to project that there is going to be an All-Town Neighborhood here and plan accordingly.

If you want to take issue with small sample size you have the right but it isn't going to sway me away.

There isn't any Town motive for Vecna to make those arguments in the PT that are based on invalid parallels and fear mongering.

Enough MoI.

I have asked you three fucking times for your not SAD/Vecna reads. I am not reading all those wall posts.

Talk to me about others.

[Voices of Truth]

All i wanted was a freaking discussion on the merits you cockmongrring baboon, jesus christ

You can talk to me about your reads. I know you think I am scum but I don't think you are.

[Voices of Truth]

spiff was in mafiaception.
hes going to back me up here.

marquis was in mafiaception.
hes going to back me up here.

youre done.

Spiffeh actually is paragon and TRs me.

Go ahead. You seem to want to throw weight around rather than respond to your SRs being all popular sheeps. Then the OMGUS.

Please don't appeal to an authority like this Titus.
You wouldn't accept this if someone said this to you.

~Rick

I am not accepting Gork's appeal to authority and actually undercutting it. I wasn't making an appeal of my own.

He's claiming Spiffeh will just abandon his TR of me because Gork refuses to justify his sheeper stances and invokes past games. I am telling him, good luck with that.

[Voices of Truth]

@MoI I'm at scum in Creature/beeboy/Gork/Ankimaus(Quartz)/Kuroi.
Outside chance of SAD/Vifam but not feeling it.

Anyone in particular you want comment on?

[Voices of Truth]

@MoI I'm at scum in Creature/beeboy/Gork/Ankimaus(Quartz)/Kuroi.
Outside chance of SAD/Vifam but not feeling it.

Anyone in particular you want comment on?

Are you being passive aggressive trying to piss me off for a reason Titus?

I don't see this as passive or aggressive. I don't have any interest in pissing off my townreads either.

[Voices of Truth]

@MoI, I was just asking where you wanted to start. Given I told you I wasn't into talking about SAD or Vecna, I figured I could not be a total asshole to you.

I already said why Gork is scum. He sheeps every flavor of the month.

You mentioned you have Creature as null because he's not Vecna's partner, which is shitty tunnel logic.

Yume in SU2 never flaked and is trying to change their reputation as a flaker. So they flake here? Nah, don't think so. Is it rock solid? Nope, but it's enough to lean scum. Ank has done nothing to put this forward.

Kuror0 was more active in Pokemon but I was scum there. Failed promises generally get scumreads from me.

[Voices of Truth]

i thought it was because i "slipped".

(:

MoI said besides that.

[Voices of Truth]

@MoI, We can agree to disagree on Yume's/Kuror's play. Ank hasn't done anything either, which fits the scum MO. Do nothing while town rips itself apart and then whine when suspected and OMGUS.

Creature hasn't done anything. He's just voting whatever the last person in his ear tells him to. He voted RR because I asked them to and then immediately voted me because someone else asked. There's no effort to solve anyone. He had me on his cross out list then now voting me. He has no reads at all.

Why don't you list where we agree and I will show you something MoI.

[Voices of Truth]

Tbh Gork's motivational picture makes me think he's town.

What is a motivational picture?

[Voices of Truth]

Hi Titus, is ThinkBig posting?

Hi Titus, if not, is ThinkBig that advicer in the hydra PT that won't post anything in the game thread?

Hi Titus, if not, why do you insist in keeping the hydra?

He said he would post this afternoon.

He is not an advisor. He plays in this hydra to learn from me.

I have asked him to post or leave a few times.

[Voices of Truth]

@Majiffy, I am strongly debating just subbing out.

This game will inevitably run down a predictable path.

MoI/Vecna will continue their shit fight no one will read.
Scum will just hop on the flavor of the month while town gets into petty power struggles because no one bothers to listen anymore.
It happened in Thing, it's happening here, and it's frustrating as hell to know who the scumteam are but have little chance of getting them lynched and just have to wait for people to get out of their way.

My hydra parter just isn't here to keep me motivated. He wanted to learn, but he's not here. I am basically staying for you Sakura and Spiffeh at this point.

Town is too fractured despite being really fucking obvious.

Majiffy, Sakura, Rem and Ram, Marquis, Spiffeh, myself, MoI, and Vecna are all obvious town. Yet, good luck with getting this group to agree on anything.

[Voices of Truth]

Gork says your tunnel is as Anti town as MoIs. Tunnels are only anti-town if the target is town. Thus Gork says I am town.

like, its so clearly obvious that the MANNER in which sad was pushing it was antitown.
in that he was continually engaging you and letting you respond to shit that was just cluttering the thread with garbage and not convincing anyone.

im pretty sure youre smart enough to understand this.

Like your posts here are? All you're doing is implying that everyone who disagrees with you is a piece of shit. You're breaking Fire. You're avoiding the concerns about you just picking on popular wagons. When all else fails willingly become a toxic asshole, or as you put it deliberately intending to be "insufferable".

Like I just won't deal with that unless my townreads need me to. I am not going to let town suffer because you're a toxic asshole. Sorry.

[Voices of Truth]

Prod dodge.

I am not sure of any scumreads anymore. I will try Monday to get back in.

~Titus

[Voices of Truth]

I lied.

I skimmed and I feel this.

VOTE: Vifam

One of beeboy/Creature is probably scum but I just wanna troll push for a bit if that's not going to cause drama.

Mastina, VCA without flips to create pools...aaaaahhh I has no hair.

[Voices of Truth]

Vecna, what do you think of Vifam?

[Voices of Truth]

Replace the hydra with Titus please