BIOCHEMISTRY - game over, finally, it's only been 5 months

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Rem&Ram

Too many new faces

Vifam town
Markee town
Spiff town
Yoshi town
Sakhan town

I haven't played in forever

Hey there sailor, come here often?

~ObvTitus

Oooh oooh oooh can we get into a shouting match later?

[Majiffy]

Okay, let's kill Rem Ram with fire.

Put your vote there, then, instead of sitting with an RVSy SAD vote cheering the wagon from the sidelines.

[Majiffy]

It's okay you can join me on the dark side and become a one man wolf pack who don't need no town to cooperate.

Story of my life.

I think Rem&R are town

It's okay to be wrong every once in a while. I won't judge you. I was wrong myself, once, a long time ago.

[Majiffy]

Why are ppl scumreading them

They feel really over-the-top in their interactions, and it doesn't seem like a playstyle thing.

[Majiffy]

Do I need to direct you to my ever-useful flowchart?

[Majiffy]

http://i.imgur.com/FYqGO.jpg

Also I need Gork & Fire reads so help me out there.

[Majiffy]

Also I need Gork & Fire reads so help me out there.

i'll take a look at their posts and get back to you.

I knew I could count on you.

[Majiffy]

Wait no I think I got this

VOTE: Sakura

Why are you so bad at this game I don't understand

In more detail I feel as if Sakura is invited people to look into her but she isn't really putting herself out there, feels like scum trying to act as if she's town with nothing to hide

Nah she's very matter-of-fact with reads in the game, I don't think it comes from scum motivation.

[Majiffy]

Why are you so bad at this game I don't understand

Finding scum is legitimately hard sometimes :/

Lynch 'em all and let MOD sort 'em out

We havent played in a long while, so long that i dont even remember which game it was, why do you think im town? @Majiffy

viewtopic.php?p=8915419#p8915419

I should probably just sheep Majiffy.

yaaaas

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Beeboy

~Rick (Fire), Leader

¿Por qué?

Because they don't know what they're doing.

[Majiffy]

Why are ppl scumreading them

They feel really over-the-top in their interactions, and it doesn't seem like a playstyle thing.

Hi, my name is Alisae. It's very nice to meet you.
-Rem (Ali)

Hi. Sorry you rolled scum. Not everyone can be as good at it as I am.

[Majiffy]

Towns {R&A, Yoshi, Vifam, SAD, Spiffeh}

Scum Butts {Titusdra, Rem and Ram}


Is this enough content guys?

You spelled "Majiffy" as "R&A", just a heads-up for the future.

[Majiffy]

Creature's probably flipping scum, too.

[Majiffy]

Holy fuck stop with the 1 scum 1 neighborhood bullshit there can be 2 scum in a neighborhood or 3 or 4 everything is fucking randomized.

[Majiffy]

I've seen other multi-neighborhood games where scum have won by pushing that same narrative and it's absolutely inane, not to mention it undermines trust in the mod to remain impartial when rolling pre-game.

[Majiffy]

beeboy why are you scum reading Rem and Ram?

Have you read their posts lately?

Majiffy wonders aloud, to no one in particular

[Majiffy]

I have read their posts lately

I don't see anything not within my expectations of noob-town play

You know noobs can roll scum too, right?

Of course you know that

[Majiffy]

Don't really know, don't really care. "Noob scum" is not my argument. I'm merely attacking Spiffeh's defense of "noob town".

[Majiffy]

Whatever.
I think scum are on my wagon so...
-Rem (Ali)

Care to make a concrete post with reads you'd actually have to stick to, or you just gonna posture uselessly?

[Majiffy]

I have read their posts lately

I don't see anything not within my expectations of noob-town play

You know noobs can roll scum too, right?

Of course you know that

Yeah I'm aware

This doesn't change how I feel

You're more than welcome to elaborate on why you think they're scum here

I already have. Now why don't you tell me why their behavior is specifically newb-town and not newb-scum?

Because you haven't. You just asserted it with no argument to back it up.

[Majiffy]

Sakura's vote on Rem is bad I think Im going to stay here

Don't you go scaring my sheep off, I work very hard to have this kind of power over people.

[Majiffy]

Sakura's vote on Rem is bad I think Im going to stay here

Don't you go scaring my sheep off, I work very hard to have this kind of power over people.

You mean you worked hard to have the power of leading the town into disorder and basicly giving scum a free pass to attempt to sheep you?
Yeah... can you explain to me why Sakura is town to me?
Paint the picture loudly and clearly.
-Rem (Ali)

I answered this last time someone asked why I was townreading Sak.

Why don't you try reading the thread?

Also cool job trying to throw dirt at me, for someone who just said a few posts ago that you don't think I'm the scum on your wagon.

Sakura's vote on Rem is bad I think Im going to stay here

Don't you go scaring my sheep off, I work very hard to have this kind of power over people.

The wagon built kinda fast doesn't that set you off a lil

Nope. It's not like it was a quicklynch.

It's only got a handful of votes, and most at the behest of me ushering other people to nut up to their reads.

You just asserted it with no argument to back it up.

Hey this sounds like all of your posts so far!

Why don't you go back and read my posts, real carefully.

Majiffy I have ISO'd you and remain unconvinced

What do you think of SAD?

Fence. SAD is a competent player and I'm sure they probably know how to mimic their towngame well as scum.

[Majiffy]

I answered this last time someone asked why I was townreading Sak.

Why don't you try reading the thread?

Also cool job trying to throw dirt at me, for someone who just said a few posts ago that you don't think I'm the scum on your wagon.

Honestly I think Sak has you pocketed.
And I'm just saying you're leading a bad wagon.
-Rem (Ali)

What you think the wagon I'm leading on you is a bad wagon?

Inconceivable!

[Majiffy]

This is offtopic but like arrogant mafia player is such a weird gimmick to have like is it really that fun to pretend you're a genius on a roleplaying game

Idk what does it do for you?

Because this sequence of events is scummy.
-Rem (Ali)

Not really. Sak has played with me before.

[Majiffy]

It has its perks.

[Majiffy]

I think Titusdra is just low-hanging fruit at this point. No one has committed to a townread on the slot.

[Majiffy]

I think Titusdra is just low-hanging fruit at this point. No one has committed to a townread on the slot.

Yeah no scum buddy are willing to townread such an obvscum on thread but a bunch of people throw a soft throw and then vote else where like ???????? at least form a wagon somewhere even if it's not your strongest scumread it will form a much better result and yield better responses than 1 vote off wagons.

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.

[Majiffy]

I love cases built on associative tells in the first 20 pages of a large game with no flips

[Majiffy]

I'm just saying the web you weave makes little sense

Voices is scum for ???
SAD is bussing Voices

Meanwhile <12 hrs ago "I don't think SAD looks scummy".

12 hours and not a whole hell of a lot besides one off-hand comment about how "SAD's recent posting doesn't look good", with no reference to anything in particular.

Step it up, Vifam. This is why I have sheep and you don't.

[Majiffy]

Feel free to fill in the blanks. I didn't make that post for my own health.

[Majiffy]

Go fetch me some quotes and fill in the blanks instead of blindly speculating, sweetie. You know what you saw, I don't.

Thanks.

[Majiffy]

Hey while we're stating the obvious, we're also all playing mafia, pretty sure

[Majiffy]

Hey while we're stating the obvious, we're also all playing mafia, pretty sure

Jiffy I was reading your chart on how to win every game.
I am confused, do I sheep Thor or you?

Thor and I are always in agreeance in all games always.

On the off-chance we aren't, one of us is scum.

[Majiffy]

You people are boring I already said all these things in my first post

Now lets fast forward to the part where you all lynch R&R with me and then we can all throw our heads back in hearty laughter when they flip mafia

[Majiffy]

I apologize if I'm coming across curtly but I wanted to go see Get Out tonight and people cancelled on me so now I'm watching movies on Starz apparently which we had for free for... a day? and the movie listed isn't even the movie that's on so frankly I am just pissed at the world.

[Majiffy]

SO YOU FUCKERS ARE STUCK WITH ME

[Majiffy]

I really need to do more meat world activities...

No, that's crazy talk

oddly enough I want to read Fire's seriousness as town? idk

Help me peg down Firedooter & Gorkison over the next two days m8 thanks

[Majiffy]

Looks like he's just got a stiffy for ya

[Majiffy]

Oh man failed opportunity to say spiffy instead of stiffy


Live and learn.

[Majiffy]

Dayne there can only be one mysteriously awesome town leader in this game and that's me bucko so find a new shtick, Captain Jiffy's back in town.

[Majiffy]

You don't need to do either, I'll make it easy for you

Just copy all my votes

[Majiffy]

Ali when is your partner planning on showing up and doing some posting?

[Majiffy]

Sakura is no longer a town read of mine

Her recent posts are disgusting

Listen if you all don't learn to start playing nice with each other I'm gonna have to get shouty.

[Majiffy]

Ali when is your partner planning on showing up and doing some posting?

He has done some posting.
He voted Creature ffs!
Not to mention he's australian.
-Ali

Oh I'll flip my screen upside down and re-read maybe I missed it

[Majiffy]

Hmmmmm......
VOTE: Creature

Weak town read on Ram.
Jiffy you said you were fine with this.

I want a read on Titus before I switch.

[Majiffy]

Page 18

Is Majiffy like this?

like what bruh you wanna go m8 i swear on me mum

Don't know you, first impression is im not gonna like you.

I'm sorry for your loss.

Okay, let's kill Rem Ram with fire.

Put your vote there, then, instead of sitting with an RVSy SAD vote cheering the wagon from the sidelines.

2nd post comforting suspicions. This feels very much like a SCUMLORD

VOTE: majoffy

Oh it's so cute when they're young.

I've seen other multi-neighborhood games where scum have won by pushing that same narrative and it's absolutely inane, not to mention it undermines trust in the mod to remain impartial when rolling pre-game.

Since when do mods not design setups and then only roll to determine whom gets what role. Randomized setup design is not something I've seen yet. Also this feels way to agitated for no reason at all

Everything you're asking is answered by the post you're quoting. Try reading it.

Yet hes obv town.

This may surprise you but townies can have different reads

It's about

motivation and thought process behind reads

that tell you alignment.

UNVOTE: majiffy

Even if ur scum i wanna hang you last.

Declaring intention to buddy this slot as well

[Majiffy]

I wanted to gif fight Majiffy.

GIF war? Bring it on.

You are not paying attention so hard it's a skill

I like this line. I'm stealing this line.

UNVOTE: R&R
VOTE: Creature

Join me Titus

[Majiffy]

MoI's town

Would be lovely if 8 other players proxy their vote to me but ~convincing~ people is hard work.

It's not that hard you just need to learn to shout at them and demean their abilities to play the game until they give in.

How many people would support a vecna wagon right now?

-Rick

Not voting there but I'm not going to argue against it.

Cuz like, I really feel like Creature is scum here.
-Ali

Yes that is the scum that was on your wagon

VOTE: Vecna

This is a good CW to Creature.

VOTE: SAD

This vote makes me... SAD

He made a pretty convincing argument on why I was "scum" in DEFCON too (I will not spoiler this so everyone can witness how garbage MoI reads me):

Thanks for making me scroll past that without reading it instead of just spoilering it,

dick.

[Majiffy]

@SAD, You've called Spiffeh terrible, MoI terrible, me terrible/scum. At some point, if you're driving all of town to scumread you consistently, either a) you're scum or b) you're doing something wrong. The entire town doesn't have a vendetta against you.

I mean, all 3 of you are my scumreads lol? Out of 17, I've called a grand total of 3.

They're all town though so


Just sayin'

Who isn't down to vote Titus and why are you that way?

Looks like Town Titus from how I remember to identify her.

Tier list

Yoshi, Creature, Vecna
Sakura, Gork, Vifam, Marquis, Majiffy
MoI, kuro, RickAndreas, RemRam
Spiffeh, Steven, beeboy
Voices

Why in the world are Creature and Vecna so high in your town list?

And why does your scum list not look anything like the one I just quoted earlier in this post?

Get your shit together.

[Majiffy]

I'll finish catching up in a bit. Toodles folks.

[Majiffy]

i am now apathetic towards this game

Well get un-apathetic.

Vote Creature or Vecna.

Reminder to not let Majiffy live to MyLo/LyLo unless mechanically confirmed.

Oh like you'll be anywhere near LYLO

[Majiffy]

Cool vote Vecna then I'd like to see those two wagons run up head to head.

[Majiffy]

i am now apathetic towards this game

Please dont do this to me.

i am now apathetic towards this game

IT'S LIKE RAYEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN

[Majiffy]

Oh wait nvm you have matching avatars well that's just fucky guys

[Majiffy]

No nvm I just ended up with the wrong quote somehow

i am now apathetic towards this game

Please dont do this to me.

This game's starting to get boring.

IT'S LIKE RAYEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAIN

alright I fucked that one up

[Majiffy]

Oh wait nvm you have matching avatars well that's just fucky guys

Wait what

Shut up I'm too sober for this shit

[Majiffy]

Alanis Morrissette's "Ironic"




Also I think I have too many townreads.

[Majiffy]

Those are the wagons Beeboy

The bottom category is not-voting.

[Majiffy]

[Majiffy]

Fourth, finally something to GIF fight Majiffy on.

Baby, you got me

alllllll

night

[Majiffy]

Titus: Vecna is town.
Majiffy: My reply should be below.

[Majiffy]

*coughs*
Lets try that again

Titus: Vecna is town.
Majiffy: My reply should be below.

[Majiffy]

Titus you gonna join me on Creature?

[Majiffy]

You're just the cutest lil' thang ain't you

[Majiffy]

What is SAD at

Not 8

[Majiffy]

Wow SAD that was probably the most boring story I've ever heard you should talk to Michael Bay about it I think it needs more explosions

[Majiffy]

Creature's my number 3. SAD and RR are higher. I'd do it, but a woman's got her preferences.

P-edit: Michael Bay makes explosions boring too.

[Majiffy]

[Majiffy]

[Majiffy]

Oh trust me Titus can be really bad at this game quite a lot

[Majiffy]

Cool hop on the Creature wagon

[Majiffy]

Coo coo

[Majiffy]

Mommy and daddy are fighting again

[Majiffy]

Titus an R&R lynch isn't happening today, too many stated reservations.

Cuddle up close with me on Creature.

[Majiffy]

Titus an R&R lynch isn't happening today, too many stated reservations.

Cuddle up close with me on Creature.

I am on SAD.

[Majiffy]

I am gonna start fuckin' throwing things in a second.

[Majiffy]

Titus an R&R lynch isn't happening today, too many stated reservations.

Cuddle up close with me on Creature.

I am on SAD.

[Majiffy]

My cat is laying next to my head, licking himself.

And boy he is

loud

about it.

You have any reason to be so intent on lynching me, besides my initial impression on you?

You're not doing anything and you make for a great CW to my scumread.

huh I'm so behind again. I'm really sorry but life issues and got almost no free time. I'm hoping things slow down by tomorrow or else I will ask for replacement

At the rate the game is going you should probably just replace out now.

VOTE: Steven Quartz

This vote stays until a fuck is given by this slot

Nice park

This is why you make a good CW to Creature.

Not really. If I am right, obvious VCA positives along with flipping scum.

If I am wrong, eliminating noise factor plus VCA advantages.

VCA doesn't suggest I am wrong either.

Win win.

Better idea: We VCA a Creature v Vecna dueling wagons scenario and use that against SAD wagon assuming SAD-Town.

Two for the price of one.

Hop on Creature.

[Majiffy]

How far is he from a lynch rn

L-2 maybe?

[Majiffy]

I won't

I'mma go get crunk

Mardi Graaaaaas

[Majiffy]

Hey great idea gang lets lynch Creature


I've been up all night and I'm way too fucking tired to do anything more than that so just... hop on it.


I wanna see a wagon when I wake up from my impending 12 hour coma.

[Majiffy]

Quartz is useless to try to read until the slot gets replaced. Beeboy and SAD are townreads. R&R is... iffy.


Just lynch Creature with me.

[Majiffy]

The number of people deciding to throw shade my way after previously calling me town without any input on my end in between is humorous.

Also feeling more and more confident with a Creature lynch given how hard it is to get off the ground with everyone saying "oh we can just lynch them later".

The two may be connected.

My VCA is my favorite tool.

I thought

I

was your favorite tool

Titus is town, Arthur is town, don't let this destroy the thread kthx.
Help me lynch creature then everything will be All Right

Alright, now.

Well SAD wagon is dead now. Tyvm Sakura.

VOTE: Creature

Yaaaaaay

[Majiffy]

uknoit

[Majiffy]

What fucking nightmare fuel did you get that shit from

[Majiffy]

What fucking nightmare fuel did you get that shit from

Serial Experiments Lain.
-HS

Somethin' ain't right in your head, boy

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, have you played with creature before recently?

The last game I played on site was probably before Creature even joined...

And before you go making a meta argument, I only accept those from certain players that have proven time and time again that they are good at it.

You mean absolutely nothing to me.

If the wagon weren't always stuck on me (or SAD), I could solve this game better.

If someone's gonna say I am not doing anything, I'll say that it's bullshit.

If I am town, scum will go to a night without feeling pressured at all. If we push more wagons, scum will have to bleed to survive the day.

If you are town?

Town would be saying "if I am lynched". Not "if I am town".

The fuck is this shit

Here’s a fun exercise … tell me why you are Town reading me.

Following up with FB about your QT notions to suss out a read on me.

viewtopic.php?p=8919503#p8919503

[Majiffy]

That's not the point but okay.

[Majiffy]

Do you have any scum reads that

aren't

someone else's flavor of last week?

[Majiffy]

Pagebottom

[Majiffy]

Majiffy's also a good lynch after R&R.

Oh, do go on.

[Majiffy]

No, nothing more to say on that front?


Didn't think so

[Majiffy]

Man I love it when people strip links out of quotes and then make a huge post

[Majiffy]

You could do it like everyone else does. That seems to work pretty well for most people.

[Majiffy]

I've already assed that MoI is town so I'm good, thanks.

[Majiffy]

*assess


Asses is the plural of ass.

[Majiffy]

Depends on how well I assess them

[Majiffy]

Okay well feel free to vote Creature when you realize no one is going to follow you on that wagon today.

[Majiffy]

Markee nooo

That is what made you read me as Town? That’s all?

I didn't realize I was supposed to have a novel for my reads. I'll get

right on that.

(I'm not going to get right on that)

like you yourself saying that its no more different than random chance, so why is it NEGATIVELY affecting it?
thats entirely different.

It is extremely anti-town because once he starts tunneling on a person that person gets extremely distracted and can no longer focus on actually scumhunting themselves. Moreover it creates SUCH an easy way for scum to sheep onto a wagon.

Then poke out the scums on the Vecna wagon

Multiple, since scum like to PILE ON as you say.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy would you like to consult the Tier List^TM with me too?

Your tier list sucks so

[Majiffy]

I'll let that sink in for a momment and let you figure out why what you just said doesnt make any sense.

[Majiffy]

There's also the fact that the other wagons gain momentum quickly, this has been slow going.

More indicative of a scum lynch.

[Majiffy]

Yeah, 6-7 votes is slow going.

What wagons went faster than Creature's, please point specifics.

Spoiler: Ah let us take an epic journey through time! Observe!

Vote Count 1-1

beeboy - 1 (Sakura Hana)
Creature - 1 (Rem and Ram)
Gorkington - 2 (Rick and Andrea, beeboy)
Rem and Ram - 1 (BigYoshiFan)
Rick and Andrea - 2 (Gorkington, Vifam)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 3 (Spiffeh, Vecna, Creature)
Vifam - 1 (Voices of Truth)
Voices of Truth - 2 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne)

Not Voting: kuror0, MagnaofIllusion, Majiffy, Steven Quartz

VC 1: one vote on creature. Early Dayne wagon. Also R&R starts here.

Vote Count 1-2

beeboy - 1 (Rick and Andrea)
Creature - 1 (Rem and Ram)
Rem and Ram - 5 (BigYoshiFan, Majiffy, Voices of Truth, Creature, Sakura Hana)
Rick and Andrea - 1 (Gorkington)
Sakura Hana - 1 (Vifam)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 2 (Vecna, Spiffeh)
Voices of Truth - 3 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne, beeboy)

Not Voting: kuror0, MagnaofIllusion, Steven Quartz

VC 2 - Creature wagon still at 1. R&R explodes, Creature with an opportunistic and shady vote on the wagon - go back and look at the situation. Also VoT wagon gaining steam.

Vote Count 1-3

Creature - 3 (Rem and Ram, Gorkington, Majiffy)
Rem and Ram - 3 (BigYoshiFan, Voices of Truth, Creature)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 4 (Spiffeh, MagnaofIllusion, Sakura Hana, Rick and Andrea)
Voices of Truth - 4 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne, beeboy, Vifam)

Not Voting: kuror0, Steven Quartz, Vecna

VC 3 - R&R dismantles, VoT & Dayne wagons build up steam with the fallout. Creature wagon *finally* gets to 3 - still one of the smallest wagons here.

Vote Count 1-4

Creature - 2 (Rem and Ram, Majiffy)
Rem and Ram - 2 (BigYoshiFan, Creature)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 6 (Spiffeh, MagnaofIllusion, Sakura Hana, Rick and Andrea, Voices of Truth, Gorkington)
Voices of Truth - 4 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne, beeboy, Vifam)

Not Voting: kuror0, Steven Quartz, Vecna

VC 4 - Creature BACK TO 2 - Dayne wagon and VoT wagons still picking up steam - and look how quick Dayne wagon grows. Thats 2 major wagons growing exponentially faster than the Creature wagon has to the present moment.

Vote Count 1-5

Creature - 2 (Rem and Ram, Majiffy)
Rem and Ram - 2 (BigYoshiFan, Creature)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 5 (Spiffeh, MagnaofIllusion, Sakura Hana, Rick and Andrea, Voices of Truth)
Steven Quartz - 1 (Vecna)
Voices of Truth - 4 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne, beeboy, Vifam)

Not Voting: Gorkington, kuror0, Steven Quartz

VC 5 no real action going on here.

Vote Count 1-6

beeboy - 1 (Gorkington)
Creature - 4 (Rem and Ram, Majiffy, Voices of Truth, beeboy)
Rem and Ram - 1 (BigYoshiFan)
Sakura Hana - 1 (Spiffeh)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 1 (MagnaofIllusion)
Steven Quartz - 1 (Vecna)
Vecna - 2 (Vifam, Rick and Andrea)
Voices of Truth - 4 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne, Creature, Sakura Hana)

Not Voting: kuror0, Steven Quartz

VC 6 - after a lot of kicking and screaming, people are finally looking at Creature - mostly because of lack of viable alternatives. Dayne wagon has dissolved into numerous vanity votes.

Vote Count 1-7

beeboy - 1 (Rick and Andrea)
Creature - 4 (Rem and Ram, Majiffy, Voices of Truth, beeboy)
MagnaofIllusion - 1 (Vecna)
Rem and Ram - 1 (BigYoshiFan)
Sakura Hana - 1 (Spiffeh)
Vecna - 4 (Vifam, Sakura Hana, MagnaofIllusion, Gorkington)
Voices of Truth - 3 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne, Creature)

Not Voting: Ankamius, kuror0

VC 7 - Vecna wagon ties with Creature wagon almost instantaneously in response to Creature actually seeing some heat.

Sniff sniff - smell that? It's called a scum CW.

Vote Count 1-8

beeboy - 4 (Sakura Hana, Gorkington, Vecna, Rick and Andrea)
BigYoshiFan - 1 (Creature)
Creature - 5 (Rem and Ram, Majiffy, Voices of Truth, beeboy, BigYoshiFan)
Sakura Hana - 1 (Spiffeh)
Vecna - 2 (Vifam, MagnaofIllusion)
Voices of Truth - 3 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne, Ankamius)

Not Voting: kuror0

VC 8 - People note how off the Vecna wagon is. It flops to Beeboy. Which also reaches Creature's previous total of 4 almost instantaneously.

Creature finally reaches 5 - not even as large as the biggest two wagons thus far which BOTH happened much quicker.

So to say anything other than Creature being a slow-built wagon with lots of much faster alternatives popping up left and right is either a gross mischaracterization or an outright lie.

Which would you like to admit to, SAD? We already know which one is Creature.

[Majiffy]

But Creature wagon has always been there...

That's just people having lazy reads and sitting on the wagon whether it's on town or scum.

Like lets saying Creature is town what do you expect would happen to his wagon? Scum would just jump on and hammer him early or??

R&R and I have both been trying to get people to switch to Creature for most of the game.

There's a lot of resistance to it, despite not a lot of people saying "Creature is soooo obvtown" which indicates to me that scum does not want to bus.

Do you think my wagon is all town?

If yes, why don't you think atleast one scum would be jumping in?
If not, why don't you think scum would let it die?

Sure.

And no, because the wagon is so slow-moving and there are lots of faster alternatives cropping up.

They're trying not to bus.

If all you're doing is VCA then VoT wagon went slower.

Why isn't your vote on there?

Because Titus is town and the wagon is shit.

[Majiffy]

It's hilarious that you called me out, Dayne, and then when I proved your shit wrong, now you're still holding steadfast to your claims.

I'm gonna start calling you Sir Arthur Donald.

[Majiffy]

Okay, Rem and Ram + Majiffy

Let's look for their partners.

Your argument is that after bussing my partner, I decided to piggyback my partner's vote directly and we both spent the entire time railroading a townie in the face of no momentum while other wagons cropped up themselves without our assistance?


Good luck with that.

[Majiffy]

That's really not the crux of the stupidity in your argument but okay I'm used to these kinds of deflective rebuffs from you by now.

[Majiffy]

It doesn't really matter either way. It's an anti-town move and both of those players should be policy lynched.

[Majiffy]

I feel like the arguments you use are straightly false or at best exaggerated.

Oh you mean like the wagon speed one, which I explicitly proved true?

[Majiffy]

... it didn't though

That's like a fact that it didn't.


You can go look for yourself

[Majiffy]

Anyway whatever you're caught scum and I think my argument vs your argument(s) are self-evident.

I'm not shitting up this thread with one-line spamfests with you. I'm outtie.

[Majiffy]

@Majiffy: Idk, do you think scum-creature here buddies me instead of ML me?

Opinions on beeboy?

Scum

I don't understand what you're trying to communicate with this post.

[Majiffy]

Why would it be easier to ML you?

There's not even a wagon on you.

Your argument has no legs.

[Majiffy]

Effort is not objectively indicative of alignment.

[Majiffy]

viewtopic.php?p=8940711#p8940711
Creature and SAD lied about the state of things, I provide a solid argument showing the Creature wagon is a steadily-built wagon on scum with CWs having cropped up to stop it

Creature then spends the next two pages spamming the shit out of the thread in a known anti-town tactic to demoralize town and hide evidence against them.

[Majiffy]

Ank vote Creature please thanks have a good day.

[Majiffy]

What would you consider solid evidence of him being scum? Because he's got an instance of pretty much everything in his ISO.

[Majiffy]

What would you consider solid evidence of him being scum? Because he's got an instance of pretty much everything in his ISO.

Vifam = Played one game with town me
You = Played no game with me

Yes, and?

[Majiffy]

ZzZzZzZz Mastina let me know when you read the game and are ready to sheep me.

[Majiffy]

My first post isn't until page 14 so if you had a read on me that'd be mighty questionable.

[Majiffy]

idk, there should have more wagons, so far I was the only main wagon in the entire game.

DEMONSTRABLY FALSE

LITERALLY MADE A POST ABOUT THIS

HOLY FUCK LYNCH THIS FUCKING LIAR

[Majiffy]

This is what happens when you let scum spam the goddamn game and bury evidence.

Yeah, 6-7 votes is slow going.

What wagons went faster than Creature's, please point specifics.

Spoiler: Ah let us take an epic journey through time! Observe!

Vote Count 1-1

beeboy - 1 (Sakura Hana)
Creature - 1 (Rem and Ram)
Gorkington - 2 (Rick and Andrea, beeboy)
Rem and Ram - 1 (BigYoshiFan)
Rick and Andrea - 2 (Gorkington, Vifam)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 3 (Spiffeh, Vecna, Creature)
Vifam - 1 (Voices of Truth)
Voices of Truth - 2 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne)

Not Voting: kuror0, MagnaofIllusion, Majiffy, Steven Quartz

VC 1: one vote on creature. Early Dayne wagon. Also R&R starts here.

Vote Count 1-2

beeboy - 1 (Rick and Andrea)
Creature - 1 (Rem and Ram)
Rem and Ram - 5 (BigYoshiFan, Majiffy, Voices of Truth, Creature, Sakura Hana)
Rick and Andrea - 1 (Gorkington)
Sakura Hana - 1 (Vifam)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 2 (Vecna, Spiffeh)
Voices of Truth - 3 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne, beeboy)

Not Voting: kuror0, MagnaofIllusion, Steven Quartz

VC 2 - Creature wagon still at 1. R&R explodes, Creature with an opportunistic and shady vote on the wagon - go back and look at the situation. Also VoT wagon gaining steam.

Vote Count 1-3

Creature - 3 (Rem and Ram, Gorkington, Majiffy)
Rem and Ram - 3 (BigYoshiFan, Voices of Truth, Creature)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 4 (Spiffeh, MagnaofIllusion, Sakura Hana, Rick and Andrea)
Voices of Truth - 4 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne, beeboy, Vifam)

Not Voting: kuror0, Steven Quartz, Vecna

VC 3 - R&R dismantles, VoT & Dayne wagons build up steam with the fallout. Creature wagon *finally* gets to 3 - still one of the smallest wagons here.

Vote Count 1-4

Creature - 2 (Rem and Ram, Majiffy)
Rem and Ram - 2 (BigYoshiFan, Creature)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 6 (Spiffeh, MagnaofIllusion, Sakura Hana, Rick and Andrea, Voices of Truth, Gorkington)
Voices of Truth - 4 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne, beeboy, Vifam)

Not Voting: kuror0, Steven Quartz, Vecna

VC 4 - Creature BACK TO 2 - Dayne wagon and VoT wagons still picking up steam - and look how quick Dayne wagon grows. Thats 2 major wagons growing exponentially faster than the Creature wagon has to the present moment.

Vote Count 1-5

Creature - 2 (Rem and Ram, Majiffy)
Rem and Ram - 2 (BigYoshiFan, Creature)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 5 (Spiffeh, MagnaofIllusion, Sakura Hana, Rick and Andrea, Voices of Truth)
Steven Quartz - 1 (Vecna)
Voices of Truth - 4 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne, beeboy, Vifam)

Not Voting: Gorkington, kuror0, Steven Quartz

VC 5 no real action going on here.

Vote Count 1-6

beeboy - 1 (Gorkington)
Creature - 4 (Rem and Ram, Majiffy, Voices of Truth, beeboy)
Rem and Ram - 1 (BigYoshiFan)
Sakura Hana - 1 (Spiffeh)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 1 (MagnaofIllusion)
Steven Quartz - 1 (Vecna)
Vecna - 2 (Vifam, Rick and Andrea)
Voices of Truth - 4 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne, Creature, Sakura Hana)

Not Voting: kuror0, Steven Quartz

VC 6 - after a lot of kicking and screaming, people are finally looking at Creature - mostly because of lack of viable alternatives. Dayne wagon has dissolved into numerous vanity votes.

Vote Count 1-7

beeboy - 1 (Rick and Andrea)
Creature - 4 (Rem and Ram, Majiffy, Voices of Truth, beeboy)
MagnaofIllusion - 1 (Vecna)
Rem and Ram - 1 (BigYoshiFan)
Sakura Hana - 1 (Spiffeh)
Vecna - 4 (Vifam, Sakura Hana, MagnaofIllusion, Gorkington)
Voices of Truth - 3 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne, Creature)

Not Voting: Ankamius, kuror0

VC 7 - Vecna wagon ties with Creature wagon almost instantaneously in response to Creature actually seeing some heat.

Sniff sniff - smell that? It's called a scum CW.

Vote Count 1-8

beeboy - 4 (Sakura Hana, Gorkington, Vecna, Rick and Andrea)
BigYoshiFan - 1 (Creature)
Creature - 5 (Rem and Ram, Majiffy, Voices of Truth, beeboy, BigYoshiFan)
Sakura Hana - 1 (Spiffeh)
Vecna - 2 (Vifam, MagnaofIllusion)
Voices of Truth - 3 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne, Ankamius)

Not Voting: kuror0

VC 8 - People note how off the Vecna wagon is. It flops to Beeboy. Which also reaches Creature's previous total of 4 almost instantaneously.

Creature finally reaches 5 - not even as large as the biggest two wagons thus far which BOTH happened much quicker.

So to say anything other than Creature being a slow-built wagon with lots of much faster alternatives popping up left and right is either a gross mischaracterization or an outright lie.

Which would you like to admit to, SAD? We already know which one is Creature.

[Majiffy]

This MoI wagon is so bad that I'm willing to call MoI pretty solidly town solely from that.

Yuuup

[Majiffy]

Because next day all town can analyse is stances on one single players rather than many. If there are multiple wagons, scum must decide whether to join or refrain from it, and this is where they start painting themselves red.

I can't decide if Creature is trying to sell "too stupid to be scum" hear given Majiffy just made a post showing the many, many wagons that have already occured today to this point.

Alternative facts, bruh

[Majiffy]

you really think creature making untrue statements about hiswagon being a Big Deal makes him scum?

Yes it's another nail in the coffin of ObvScum Creature. I've pointed out numerous things wrong with him and each time I do, it gets buried in scumflail shitposting.

[Majiffy]

I guess I'll see when I continue my catchup, but I'm not seeing the connection between Creature being wrong and Creature being scum from this alone.

You mean other than the fact that he continues to push a narrative I've already proven false and he is just patently ignoring because he's backed himself into a corner and needs that story to defend himself?

[Majiffy]

What a wonderful participation Spiffeh

No one is even advocating a R&A scumread, why the fuck don't you do something useful

[Majiffy]

What a wonderful participation Spiffeh

No one is even advocating a R&A scumread, why the fuck don't you do something useful

Like even this last page of catch up is probably more "useful" then most of what you've done all game

Sooooooooo

I guess if you're illiterate or something.

But even then I've provided some pictures so I think even a child can understand I'm doing more than you.

Creature do you have any sort of response to what Majiffy has pointed out about your wagon not being notable?

Fake news.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy aside from Creature who do you think is scum

You're possible.
Dayne's getting likelier by the minute.
Gork's a maybe.
No idea on Nahdia or Mastina yet.

[Majiffy]

I don't think you ever reached L-2.

[Majiffy]

Okay you reached L-2 on a pressureless placeholder vote that didn't even last to the bottom of that page.

How terrifying that must have been for you.

[Majiffy]

Okay you reached L-2 on a pressureless placeholder vote that didn't even last to the bottom of that page.

How terrifying that must have been for you.

And for what it's worth, the R&R wagon hit L-2 much faster earlier in the game

So on all accounts your claim has been outclassed by reality. Yet again.

[Majiffy]

Yep. I have too many townreads, I've said that already.

[Majiffy]

Hopefully they don't come from preflip associations.

God you are such scum

[Majiffy]

Yes.

But so has half the game.

[Majiffy]

You gonna have some thoughts on other people that arent creature at some point during this day?

I've been giving thoughts on most of the game events.

Sorry you haven't been reading?

[Majiffy]

Actually I'm a bit fucking perturbed, Vecna


Instead of actually addressing the fact that I'm calling Creature out on his *continued* lying shit

You make a backhanded whiny post about how I'm pushing for a scumread



What the fuck is that

[Majiffy]

Oh ive been reading, I just disagree with any sentiment where you think you've been diversifying your attention in a significant manner

Listen I understand Trump has been elected into office by literally saying whatever he wants but this whole "I disagree with facts and reality" is not a legitimate position and I'm getting tired of seeing people espousing it.

Majiffy my man, what do you think of Ank's defense of the MoI wagon.

I agreed with it.

Its me hoping we can finally have a decent wagon now

There is one. It's called Creature. Get on.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy my man, what do you think of Ank's defense of the MoI wagon.

I agreed with it.

Nono idc about what Ank actually said and if you agree with it or not.

I'm talking about how Ank said it.

I don't recall seeing a problem with it but the fact that we disagree is no news, I haven't agreed with most of your reads all game.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: mastina

Please don't derail the best wagon in the day in favor of a shitty entrance RVS vote.

[Majiffy]

Ank no y u no join Creature wagon

[Majiffy]

I disagree and I point to all the evidence I've already pointed to regarding that.

[Majiffy]

The reason he spams the thread with drivel is to hide the arguments against him being scum. He only comes in and sirspamsalot when someone offers an argument against him or his wagon gains a vote. Then he acts - demonstrably falsely - like his wagon just sprung up overnight and no wagon has ever been this big or happened this fast it's like we're playing against Sean Spicer.

[Majiffy]

You don't want to vote obvscum that is obvscumming the shit out of this thread and will continue with his obvscumming obvshit until he's good and deaded?

[Majiffy]

Mastina are you caught up yet?

[Majiffy]

Oh ffs Mastina just don't even post until you're caught up would you?

[Majiffy]

Well I don't give a damn, Creature is scum af and for some reason you've still got me in a nullish pile so you need to fix those two out ASAP

[Majiffy]

I'm skimming every post that doesn't directly mention Creature or directly call me out to respond, tia
-HS

Yeah I'm getting close to that point myself

Gork pretty much summed up how I feel about Majiffy vs Creature

Wow big surprise two of my scumreads coming out in solidarity not to lynch my other scumread


Must be a powerful scum PR

Busdriver? JOAT? Enabler? Strongman?

Ankamius - 2 (Ser Arthur Dayne, Creature)
BigYoshiFan - 2 (mastina, Ankamius)
Creature - 3 (Rem and Ram, Majiffy, BigYoshiFan)
MagnaofIllusion - 2 (Vecna, Vifam)
mastina - 1 (TheRealGin-N-Tonic)
Rem and Ram - 1 (Gorkington)
Sakura Hana - 1 (Spiffeh)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 1 (MagnaofIllusion)
TheRealGin-N-Tonic - 2 (Sakura Hana, Rick and Andrea)
Vifam - 1 (Titus)

Everyone not voting Creature needs to explain why there has been at least

4

valid, independent arguments for CreatureScum presented and why they aren't voting in the face of "I know Creature's town meta!" which

doesn't even line up

with the gameplay being seen here - according to

a number

of people.

I would like explanations.

There's also the fact that the other wagons gain momentum quickly, this has been slow going.

More indicative of a scum lynch.

Lol this is just completely untrue

I made an entire post about this

And then REPOSTED it

Empirically true

But I see you just skipped right over that fact. Maintain the narrative, huh?

Vifam scum. That's where my head is.

Lynch Creature with me and we can do Vifam next.

Pwomise

[Majiffy]

Literally every argument for Creature being scum has been overwhelmingly unconvincing


I wish you'd stop acting like you've presented us with some amazing evidence

The point is the whole is the sum of the parts.

He has been exhibiting all the scum behaviors, not just a few instances of shit here and there.

One is a "probably", the other a blank vote.

We then get a multitude of posts of "Get on Creature" "Lynch Creature" etc etc. Only after a long time did Creature say something, and then Majiffy counter with his case about how Creature is "lying". Meanwhile the way the ISO reads he had a strong scumread way before, but nothing in his posts point strongly to that.

Because I was still pressure voting R&R and getting reads on the wagoneers. Notably Titus.

Which if you actually tried to discern my alignment by reading my posts and looking for motivation, would be abundantly clear.

theres apparently also earlygame vca!
because thats definitely one of his legitimate points.
one that if uncountered, should leave no reason for creature to stay alive at this junction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What I look for in VCA directs me to look at specific votes. The motivation behind those votes are what informs my read.

If you do VCA in any other way, you're probably wrong.

Wished someone gave a desperado shot for Majiffy. Wonder if he would still use it or admit he's scum.

More empty rhetoric and baseless OMGUS instead of actually doing anything.

Hey Jiffy, can you post all four separate reasons in spoilers for those of us who cannot deal. Ty in advance.

Give me a min it's gonna take a while to collect everything.

[Majiffy]

Argument 1: META

Spoiler: R&R Creature Meta Case

Spiff, I'm pretty sure you're biased on Arthur. His actions earlier in the day, refusing to interact with you, were more important to you than they are to him. You valued his response more than he did, and I don't think him refusing to interact with you was alignment indicative. I really do think they're town.

Creature is scum. His posts lack any real drive or motivation. Very early in the game, he was scumhunting Arthur instead of operating on his usual townread PoE game.
He is also not only -lurking-, but -actively lurking-. Check activity overview and notice how Creature isn't on the top, also notice how many of his posts have been contentless.
What townCreature posts shit like this?

*lurking*

His motivation for this game is ded. I thinkt hat's telling.
-HS

This is -not- how Creature always plays town, Vecna.

Compare Creature between these games.
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69868 <- scum
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69495 <- town
And this one.
-HS

Every post in which Creature posted no content at all to inflate his postcount because he knows lurking is his scumtell:

175
176
179
186
188
190
192
210
240
415
578
645
677
680
699
773
817
818
934
I'm getting bored of this but you get the point.
I was also incredibly generous with this-- Do the iso dive yourself and realize how weak and noncommittal all of his stances are.
-HS

ISO Creature and tell me what you think of his read on BYF.
Creature posts his reads in the thread as town. He's a stream of conciousness poster, and the lack of him signalling his read change is damning.
Still catching up.
-HS

And here's R&R repeating it

The counter-argument is "nah this is town creature, look at all the posts", but the number isn't the important part of the meta read.

Oh look here's R&R repeating themselves

again

And people wonder why we're frustrated. We've both had to repeat ourselves ad nauseum and the only arguments are "nuh uh" and "omg sht up abt cretur rldy ur dum scumz0rz"


-------

Argument 2: Creature's shit votes and play [TRUNCATED: NOT EVEN THE FULL EXTENT OF IT: Go read his awful fucking ISO]

Spoiler:

Good thing we got scum D1

VOTE: SAD

RVS vote. No biggie. Except later he insists it wasn't RVS. Which is a biggie.

Then he makes this post while the R&R wagon is gaining attention

Okay, let's kill Rem Ram with fire.

With no vote. So I pressure him and

SAD isn't an RVS vote

, it's the sword of hope unleashing scum right at the start (sadly it only works if town decides to be cooperative), but whatever.

VOTE: Rem Ram

Note the bolded. Now you can go check his ISO, there isn't an argument for SAD scum. He piggy-backs and then flies under the radar with useless one-line do-nothing posts the whole time.

Anyway, shitty jump to an R&R wagon without previously mentioning them save for 3 posts earlier.

He then makes more shitty posts. In fact, most of his ISO is shitty posts. I could probably just make a case on that alone.

VOTE: Mágeáf

???

Ser Arthur Dayne + Rem and Ram + Rick and Andrea + Steven Quartz scumteam?

???

VOTE: Voices of Foot

I don't even know where this read came from. He has spend most of his ISO flopping back and forth between SAD & R&R, whichever wagon looked like it would have more momentum at the time.

"Everybody voting me is scum, all scum are on me"

I can detect opportunism better when I'm the wagoned and so far nobody voting me doesn't look opportunistic.

IT'S LIKE RAYEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN

VOTE: BYF

Meanwhile

Feel like mod missed the vote before

More opportunistic wagon-hopping

Honestly I could make an argument about how all of his reads have been followy or OMGUS this whole game, too.

This is such scumshit

Anyway I'm getting bored of this. Onto Argument 3.


------

Argument 3: These wonderful exchanges

Spoiler: 1

If I am town, scum will go to a night without feeling pressured at all. If we push more wagons, scum will have to bleed to survive the day.

If you are town?

Town would be saying "if I am lynched". Not "if I am town".

The fuck is this shit

"Oh no, referred town as third person, therefore he must be scum" "Oh no, he used "if town" for himself, therefore scum"

Intentionally missing the point of his slip here.

Spoiler: 2

Okay, Rem and Ram + Majiffy

Let's look for their partners.

Your argument is that after bussing my partner, I decided to piggyback my partner's vote directly and we both spent the entire time railroading a townie in the face of no momentum while other wagons cropped up themselves without our assistance?


Good luck with that.

idk, I'm used to see bussing everywhere in any form.

More of him intentionally missing the point in order to defend his insane positions

This what happens when you fabricate reads, people.

Spoiler: 3

Yep. I have too many townreads, I've said that already.

Hopefully they don't come from preflip associations.

When all else fails, sling mud!

And getting bored of pointing out every little thing again.

THERE'S SO MUCH. GO READ HIS FUCKING ISO, PEOPLE.

--------

Argument 4: VCA/Lying about empirical fact - repeatedly, even after proven wrong

So I said this

There's also the fact that the other wagons gain momentum quickly, this has been slow going.

More indicative of a scum lynch.

To which SAD and Creature both decided to jump down my throat with falsehoods. Fine, proved them wrong.

Yeah, 6-7 votes is slow going.

What wagons went faster than Creature's, please point specifics.

Spoiler: Ah let us take an epic journey through time! Observe!

Vote Count 1-1

beeboy - 1 (Sakura Hana)
Creature - 1 (Rem and Ram)
Gorkington - 2 (Rick and Andrea, beeboy)
Rem and Ram - 1 (BigYoshiFan)
Rick and Andrea - 2 (Gorkington, Vifam)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 3 (Spiffeh, Vecna, Creature)
Vifam - 1 (Voices of Truth)
Voices of Truth - 2 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne)

Not Voting: kuror0, MagnaofIllusion, Majiffy, Steven Quartz

VC 1: one vote on creature. Early Dayne wagon. Also R&R starts here.

Vote Count 1-2

beeboy - 1 (Rick and Andrea)
Creature - 1 (Rem and Ram)
Rem and Ram - 5 (BigYoshiFan, Majiffy, Voices of Truth, Creature, Sakura Hana)
Rick and Andrea - 1 (Gorkington)
Sakura Hana - 1 (Vifam)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 2 (Vecna, Spiffeh)
Voices of Truth - 3 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne, beeboy)

Not Voting: kuror0, MagnaofIllusion, Steven Quartz

VC 2 - Creature wagon still at 1. R&R explodes, Creature with an opportunistic and shady vote on the wagon - go back and look at the situation. Also VoT wagon gaining steam.

Vote Count 1-3

Creature - 3 (Rem and Ram, Gorkington, Majiffy)
Rem and Ram - 3 (BigYoshiFan, Voices of Truth, Creature)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 4 (Spiffeh, MagnaofIllusion, Sakura Hana, Rick and Andrea)
Voices of Truth - 4 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne, beeboy, Vifam)

Not Voting: kuror0, Steven Quartz, Vecna

VC 3 - R&R dismantles, VoT & Dayne wagons build up steam with the fallout. Creature wagon *finally* gets to 3 - still one of the smallest wagons here.

Vote Count 1-4

Creature - 2 (Rem and Ram, Majiffy)
Rem and Ram - 2 (BigYoshiFan, Creature)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 6 (Spiffeh, MagnaofIllusion, Sakura Hana, Rick and Andrea, Voices of Truth, Gorkington)
Voices of Truth - 4 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne, beeboy, Vifam)

Not Voting: kuror0, Steven Quartz, Vecna

VC 4 - Creature BACK TO 2 - Dayne wagon and VoT wagons still picking up steam - and look how quick Dayne wagon grows. Thats 2 major wagons growing exponentially faster than the Creature wagon has to the present moment.

Vote Count 1-5

Creature - 2 (Rem and Ram, Majiffy)
Rem and Ram - 2 (BigYoshiFan, Creature)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 5 (Spiffeh, MagnaofIllusion, Sakura Hana, Rick and Andrea, Voices of Truth)
Steven Quartz - 1 (Vecna)
Voices of Truth - 4 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne, beeboy, Vifam)

Not Voting: Gorkington, kuror0, Steven Quartz

VC 5 no real action going on here.

Vote Count 1-6

beeboy - 1 (Gorkington)
Creature - 4 (Rem and Ram, Majiffy, Voices of Truth, beeboy)
Rem and Ram - 1 (BigYoshiFan)
Sakura Hana - 1 (Spiffeh)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 1 (MagnaofIllusion)
Steven Quartz - 1 (Vecna)
Vecna - 2 (Vifam, Rick and Andrea)
Voices of Truth - 4 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne, Creature, Sakura Hana)

Not Voting: kuror0, Steven Quartz

VC 6 - after a lot of kicking and screaming, people are finally looking at Creature - mostly because of lack of viable alternatives. Dayne wagon has dissolved into numerous vanity votes.

Vote Count 1-7

beeboy - 1 (Rick and Andrea)
Creature - 4 (Rem and Ram, Majiffy, Voices of Truth, beeboy)
MagnaofIllusion - 1 (Vecna)
Rem and Ram - 1 (BigYoshiFan)
Sakura Hana - 1 (Spiffeh)
Vecna - 4 (Vifam, Sakura Hana, MagnaofIllusion, Gorkington)
Voices of Truth - 3 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne, Creature)

Not Voting: Ankamius, kuror0

VC 7 - Vecna wagon ties with Creature wagon almost instantaneously in response to Creature actually seeing some heat.

Sniff sniff - smell that? It's called a scum CW.

Vote Count 1-8

beeboy - 4 (Sakura Hana, Gorkington, Vecna, Rick and Andrea)
BigYoshiFan - 1 (Creature)
Creature - 5 (Rem and Ram, Majiffy, Voices of Truth, beeboy, BigYoshiFan)
Sakura Hana - 1 (Spiffeh)
Vecna - 2 (Vifam, MagnaofIllusion)
Voices of Truth - 3 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne, Ankamius)

Not Voting: kuror0

VC 8 - People note how off the Vecna wagon is. It flops to Beeboy. Which also reaches Creature's previous total of 4 almost instantaneously.

Creature finally reaches 5 - not even as large as the biggest two wagons thus far which BOTH happened much quicker.

So to say anything other than Creature being a slow-built wagon with lots of much faster alternatives popping up left and right is either a gross mischaracterization or an outright lie.

Which would you like to admit to, SAD? We already know which one is Creature.

To which he ignores

once

I feel like the arguments you use are straightly false or at best exaggerated.

Oh you mean like the wagon speed one, which I explicitly proved true?

Twice

idk, there should have more wagons, so far I was the only main wagon in the entire game.

DEMONSTRABLY FALSE

LITERALLY MADE A POST ABOUT THIS

HOLY FUCK LYNCH THIS FUCKING LIAR

Three tiiiiiimes the scummyyyyyy

Creature do you have any sort of response to what Majiffy has pointed out about your wagon not being notable?

Not being notable? It was like the wagon top the most. I already reached L-2 (possibly L-1).

Well that last one isn't as bad but I think you get the point.


And that's not even the whole of everything. Going through just mine and R&R's ISOs to pull out these arguments, I noticed many more things I could build more arguments on.

Go read his fucking ISO. And then vote this scumshit.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, are we going to get in a VCA discussion this game? It's almost worth lurking to do that.

Probably. We can grab Mastina too if she gets her shit together.

[Majiffy]

SAD I'm not going to bother breaking down how awful your argument is about me on this page. It's not worth my time and you're just a scumbo defending your Creature scumpartner.

If anyone has any specific questions and they can't figure it out by reading my ISO they can ask me.

[Majiffy]

Then hardcore bus your partner already.

[Majiffy]

Which stupid question would you like me to condescendingly answer for you because you're clearly too inept to read between the lines and figure out yourself?

[Majiffy]

Hi yes thank you Majiffy-senpai for giving this student a chance. I have 2 questions please. And like they say there are no stupid questions!

I never said that. Nor would I ever support such a ridiculous notion.

>You voted R&R to "apply pressure".
Okay, what did you get out of it? Did you start townreading them. Did you scumread them. Did they respond well to the pressure. Did they respond bad to the pressure. Literally nothing in your ISO leads me to believe you gained any insight at all regarding Rem/Ram.

R&R is a tentative townread. Which you should have picked up on based on my behavior regarding that slot. And the fact that

we're both hard-pushing for the same person.

>You were trying to get reads on the wagoners, "notably Titus"
What read did you suddenly get on Titus that made you switch a bit later to Creature, and then also made you hardcore buddy her by asking her repeatedly to get on Creature with you? Or do you get epiphanies as well??

Titus is a townread. Which I'm fairly certain I've explicitly said a few times. Also I'm actively trying to work with her.

Ty Majiffy-senpai the answers to these questions would go greatly towards improving my edumacation.

Let me know when you have another ridiculously stupid question that the answer is self-evident with a cursory glance at my ISO.

[Majiffy]

@Jiffy, Who were your townreads at the time of you claiming you had too many? (Post 2199)

I've said it more than once.

The original list included Vifam and SAD townreads. Those have been revised as their play got worse over time.

Spiffeh too. Their immediately recent play is utter shit.

I guess Rem and Ram + Ankamius are scum on my wagon, everybody else is sorta reasonable.

Suddenly I'm town again

Firebringer and Majiffy had comments on why you were scumreading my slot, but they made you look more scum until your response.

We have individual meta reads on Titus that may or may not be linked to the same thing.

[Majiffy]

Ank if you want to join the hippy-hoppiest swingenist wagon now would be the time to do so.

[Majiffy]

Check what work

[Majiffy]

Also I'm leaving in like 10 minutes so if it's something that's going to take a while I'll get to it later.

[Majiffy]

...Link?

[Majiffy]

Oh you want mine

Idk yeah I'll get around to it tomorrow or something. Remind me.

[Majiffy]

Oh you want mine

Idk yeah I'll get around to it tomorrow or something. Remind me.

Yeah at the time Creature objected.

Majiffy aside from Creature who do you think is scum

You're possible.
Dayne's getting likelier by the minute.
Gork's a maybe.
No idea on Nahdia or Mastina yet.

[Majiffy]

Mastina hold still

[Majiffy]

Read this then vote Creature. TIA

[Majiffy]

My flowchart's better.

And it's less reading.




I love the poorly educated

[Majiffy]

MASTINA



YOU HAVE AVOIDED ANY MEANINGFUL DIRECT INTERACTION WITH ME SINCE YOU REPLACED IN

STOP THAT

[Majiffy]

Now that I have your attention

Read this then vote Creature. TIA

[Majiffy]

She's not 300 posts behind she stopped on like page 18

She's doing this two-fer thing where she reads from the beginning and then from fuck knows where in the 2200s for whatever fucking reason

It's aggravating as all get-out.

[Majiffy]

I wish I could throw things at her.

[Majiffy]

It never ceases to amaze me how frustrated people get working with mastina

It's ok you're new to her

The glow hasn't worn off yet

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, are we going to get in a VCA discussion this game? It's almost worth lurking to do that.

Probably. We can grab Mastina too if she gets her shit together.

You know what would help me get my shit together?

Not having to read ten new pages every fucking time I come to this thread, so that I have the time to actually read the fucking thread.

[Majiffy]

Could I interest you in some Adderall?

[Majiffy]

I'm in the mind to just get on Creature and lynch so when he flips town people can start looking better at the garbage wagon.

If he's scum I can be d2 lynch

Do it.

[Majiffy]

Anyone notice how Creature popped back in to spamshit the thread up again when I made the case on him?

And how none of the following:
Creature
SAD
Vifam
Nahdia

Are defending or even ACKNOWLEDGING the case on him despite continuing to fight the wagon by screaming about how town he is?

Really makes you wonder, huh?

Still think Creature is the pot'o'gold on the scum team and they're pulling out all the stops to make sure he isn't lynched today.

I actually have good reasons for my reads which I consider decent, this is what matters.

Oh I would just

love

to hear why I'm scum.

Man it's like you're doing the exact same thing I did and condemning me for it.

He's been doing that all game

And so has Creature, for that matter, with his chastising of R&R calling everyone on their wagon scum (a gross misrepresentation of their position, by the by) and then doing the exact same when the wagon on him turns up.

#IStandWithCreature

Ew

[Majiffy]

Anyone still on the fence here needs to look at my case and tell me if that case was presented on town with the wagon having previously reached L-2, why won't scum touch it?

Why is it so hard to build momentum on a "town" with the biggest, most solid case so far presented in the game?

A: Creature ain't no town

[Majiffy]

B: Plenty of scum are already on the wagon and scum would rather not pile all of themselves there.

So you think despite all the

other, faster wagons

that I've pointed to that

empirically exist throughout the day

Scum started up their own wagon on town

which has taken

tremendous effort to even keep going

amidst

all the other wagons

Because...?

No. Your argument is pants-on-head to support your false narratives that you have tied yourself to.

[Majiffy]

C: Scum are whiteknighting Creature and praying we turn against ourselves.

Highly unlikely because they can just pick off all the loud towns that started the wagon, no?

[Majiffy]

Oh by the way

Majiffy's also a good lynch after R&R.

Oh, do go on.

Creature

STILL

hasn't given a case on me, nearly double the posts later.


It's pure OMGUS and that's why he keeps ignoring numerous calls to explain himself.

[Majiffy]

Because I don't think you're scum, just bad.

Ok lets float this argument

Spoiler: So far so good, although troubling that you want to lynch town so much instead of scumhunting

Reminder to not let Majiffy live to MyLo/LyLo unless mechanically confirmed.

Majiffy's also a good lynch after R&R.

Spoiler: But wait what's this

From my wagon, I have like:
{VoT}
{BYF, R&A}
{beeboy, Majiffy}
{R&R}

Am I missing someone?

Also, VoT still needs to work more to be a hard townread.

VoT/Sakura/Majiffy/Steven scumteam???

I agree on Majiffy and Steven/Ankamius, I'm unsure on VoT.

Spoiler: Now you *definitely* can't say you're not calling me scum

Okay, Rem and Ram + Majiffy

Let's look for their partners.

Okay, Rem and Ram + Majiffy

Let's look for their partners.

Your argument is that after bussing my partner, I decided to piggyback my partner's vote directly and we both spent the entire time railroading a townie in the face of no momentum while other wagons cropped up themselves without our assistance?


Good luck with that.

idk, I'm used to see bussing everywhere in any form.

Spoiler: Wait is he backing off

I trust town they won't hesitate to lynch R&R before D3 and that they won't let Majiffy ever reach to endgame unless he's 100% sorted.

Spoiler: Nope! Chuck Testa!

I'll keep waiting the rest of the town to come here, I'm tired of arguing with scum, I doubt they would selfvote.

He's arguing with me here

We're arguing, and in your PoV it should be very likely that either I am scum or R&R and Majiffy are scum together.

Likely R&R + one of {Majiffy, BigYoshiFan, Gorkington} (leaning on Majiffy significantly more than others)

idk, I feel like Majiffy is just adjusting how my wagon goes as the standard scum wagon.

Wished someone gave a desperado shot for Majiffy. Wonder if he would still use it or admit he's scum.

Spoiler: Holy fuck the irony on this one in particular, amirite ladies and gentlemen?

If Majiffy has any other scumread, he hasn't put any effort to sort them.

Spoiler: Anyway back to business

Yeah, I get lynched, I flip town and Majiffy/Rem and Ram will be like "oh he was just scummy town" and then they'll tunnel another innocent. We gotta do something about them.

Because I don't think you're scum, just bad.

What a ride!

Present your fucking case. You have failed to do so time and time again.

[Majiffy]

Lol now everyone shows up to defend Creature all at once


What is this shit

C: Scum are whiteknighting Creature and praying we turn against ourselves.

Highly unlikely because they can just pick off all the loud towns that started the wagon, no?

And if we are a united wall? So what? They're still fucked.

The best way to accomplish survival is to get Creature lynched, say not my fault, and turn the blame on you and Rem/Ram.

That's exactly what I was saying...

Go back and re-read from the beginning of this argument.

i read the cases.
Argument 1 (Meta): absolute shit and R&R is scum so i dont care what they think anyway.
Argument 2 (Bad Play): literally none of this was convincing at all.
Argument 3 (Some random exchange): Again, what does this prove?
Argument 4 (VCA thing): Creature pointed out that his wagon did get bigger than any other wagon at one point.

so yeah nah i'm not convinced and also i'm like fuckin' posi that R&R is scum and i will almost certainly never unvote that.

I handwave away your handwaving and assign you a scumread.

Hey Majiffy, Nahdia is scum defending me now.

meta is easy to construe one way or another either way. i've had people make meta cases on me when i was town that look convincing enough. it's a bad basis for a read and also i feel it's often something scum lean on because it's easy to claim is justified or whatever. i mean ive seen town meta case ppl too obvs so whatever but still R&R are scum ppl. c'mon wise up.

THE OTHER THREE ARGUMENTS ARE NOT A META READ



THE REST OF THE CASE ON CREATURE IS NOT META


IT IS BASED ON HIS AWFUL PLAY, HIS BAD VOTES, HIS WASHY FOLLOWY CONVENIENT READS


AND THE FACT THAT HE REFUSES TO BACK THEM UP OR ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING

Are defending or even ACKNOWLEDGING the case on him despite continuing to fight the wagon by screaming about how town he is?

I'm acknowledging it's pure shit.

Come at me.

Nice retort. Allow me to rebuke in kind

[Majiffy]

Rem and Ram is scum.

You idk, I'm afraid you're going to tunnel another innocent.

It's funny how your read on me changes depending on how likely you think a wagon is to spring up on me

[Majiffy]

Nahdia his wagon never got any bigger than the R&R wagon and it took ALL GAME to get to the same height that the R&R wagon achieved in like 36 hours.

[Majiffy]

I am hardcore 1v1ing this

I refuse to unvote Creature. My vote is locked.

You can lynch me, but you better 100% promise on penalty of rope to lynch Creature next when I flip town

[Majiffy]

The entire scumteam is almost certainly in


{Creature, Vifam, SAD, Gork, Spiffeh, Nahdia}

I'd place money on it if I had any.

[Majiffy]

You should have!

[Majiffy]

@Majiffy, Why wait until nightfall? The wagon is here now.

That's the fucking point of A!

[Majiffy]

Gork you're missing a vote.

[Majiffy]

{Creature, Vifam, SAD, Gork, Spiffeh, Nahdia}

Lmao this scumteam.

Sign me right the fuck up.

which one?
sorry im sometimes stupid about these sorts of things.

I have more books like the one I threw at Mastin

[Majiffy]

Yep you caught our buddy so we have to keep discrediting your case

You're really catching on

If by "discrediting" you mean "handwaving" and "ignoring outright", yes. That's exactly what's been going on.

[Majiffy]

Your sarcasm aside, a number of people have noted that my case is solid.

Please designate even a single case presented on any other player that is half as thorough as the one I presented on Creature.



I'll wait. It might take you a while.

[Majiffy]

So no "It sucks" or "So what?" is not a valid refutation

If you want to play like that, I direct you back to the Newbie games, because apparently that's where you belong.

[Majiffy]

By god I think he's starting to get it

[Majiffy]

That is 100% referring to you

[Majiffy]

Honestly if you're town then you're tunneling too much and you gotta realize that fast.

WHAT

GO LOOK AT CREATURE'S ISO


LITERALLY HIS ONLY OTHER SCUMREAD THAN R&R IS ME AND HE WON'T EVEN NUT UP AND SAY I'M A SCUMREAD







WHAT FUCKING YEAR IS THIS

[Majiffy]

and im pretty disinterested in engaging you on your reads after i reached out and you called me scum/ignored everything i had to say.
so.

I'm sorry you didn't read the first five hundred fucking times and now you're being a child about evidence that's staring you blatantly in the face


if you don't want to play mafia, then fucking replace out

[Majiffy]

am i not allowed to just not agree with your case on him?

like, i wont argue that im throwing together a case somewhere thats overly comprehensive, because im not.
but im not going to vote for a wagon with the intent of lynching someone if i dont feel like its going to flip scum?

Do you also disagree with global warming? Gravity? The heliocentric model of the solar system?

Like you present no alternative you just 'disagree'.

That's fucking absurd.

Actually let me put it in a better way: If Creature is town, where do you go from there? Who are the scum?

If Creature flips town I'll reassess my reads accordingly.

There's no point in discussing it right now when there have been no cases even close to the one I presented on anyone else.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Creature
I don't think he's actually concerned with who is lynched and is changing his reads/votes to whatever seems most popular.
An exception would be his vote on me, but he doesn't seem concerned with pursuing it any farther.

I don't like Creature either, Majiffy.

Well then why don't you help convince people a little bit instead of leaving it all to me and R&R

[Majiffy]

this seems to be a trend.

of people just being fucking trash at me when i play.

~maybe the problem is you~

[Majiffy]

idk, your scumreads are all based on their interactions with me, so technically I'm your only scumread.

No my scumreads were developed independently. You can see them long before most of them started speaking against your wagon.

They just happen to line up


Almost like I'm right

[Majiffy]

yeah because i was banned for how long?
are you sure it isnt just that this site has fucking garbage toxic people on it that seem to relish in abusing people who disagree with them?

golly gee willickers.

so fucking dumb.

Just sayin', if I didn't want to play a game I just wouldn't play it.

Who replaced kuror0, Marquis, Steven Quartz and beeboy?

mastina replaces kuror0
nahdia replaces marquis
ankamius replaces steven quartz
TheRealGin-N-Tonic replaces beeboy