BIOCHEMISTRY - game over, finally, it's only been 5 months

[Vifam]

VOTE: Spiffeh

[Vifam]

Fair enough

VOTE: Gork

[Vifam]

Is that actually true

[Vifam]

Anyway town points for sakura firebringer yoshi.

What did Yoshi do

[Vifam]

I think Rick is Firebringer and Rem is Alisae

[Vifam]

It is confusing tho

[Vifam]

Marquis you made the worst post in the game so far

What post was it

[Vifam]

VOTE: Spiffeh

[Vifam]

Never

[Vifam]

I didn't like the switch between townreading Marq and scumreading him

[Vifam]

Spiffeh seems to hold Marq in a high regard for his play, he points out Marq has made the worst post so far, then changes his mind pretty quick. If Spiffeh was town and felt that Marq already had a bad/scummy post I don't think he'd let him get off that easy

[Vifam]

Atleast not this early in the game

[Vifam]

The whole switchup looked fake imo

[Vifam]

Wow ok

[Vifam]

cute

[Vifam]

The real question is when are we gonna get the BLEACH DRINKING Vifam of Mafiastuck?

Damn that was a super fun game.

Oh shit I remember that game yeah that was fun, town won I think. That was back when ppl posted walls and I was like the only guy who posted purely in one liners and it ended up being the longest game ever at the time

[Vifam]

I've never played with spiff so I don't really know, I just think the switchup itself feels fabricated

[Vifam]

I feel you

[Vifam]

Yeah that too, "I have Marquis townread now for ~secrets~".

I can buy Vifam believing that a sudden read shift would be grounds for suspicion but you're better than that

The expectation that early reads are going to be static is fucking ridiculous and you should know that

It was mostly cuz you pointed out how Marq had the worst post then you go on to townread after, I thought that you'd still be vigilant on him even if he started looking town if you really felt the post was that bad. I see your point tho

[Vifam]

What post was it specifically

[Vifam]

What did you think was bad about it

[Vifam]

Ok cool UNVOTE:

[Vifam]

VOTE: beeboy

[Vifam]

I don't really feel that strongly about him, I kinda like the point Fire had tho

[Vifam]

Ok who is the easiest to read based on tone here

[Vifam]

So far I think Marq/BYF/Rem&Ram are town

[Vifam]

firebringer.

Is he town

[Vifam]

Oh ok, what's bad about him

[Vifam]

Honestly everyone in this game so far has made me a lil uncomfortable

[Vifam]

Nah I could get behind a R&A wagon

VOTE: RickAndAndrea

[Vifam]

I agree with Gork's post about Fire not really believing pushing Gork will make him easier to read

[Vifam]

I don't think SAD looks scummy tbh

[Vifam]

Why doesn't SAD look scummy to you?

He agreed with me on my Spiffeh thing and I don't think any of his posts are that bad, why do you think he looks bad

[Vifam]

I read Titus right in WWE Mafia and she was scum there but I can't remember if the play is similar to what I'm seeing rn

[Vifam]

she was much more on the attack the last time we were playing together tho

[Vifam]

She did kinda buddy up fast that game also and she's already doing that with Me/Gork, I gotta see more tho

[Vifam]

He's the only person I'm confident in being town tbh

[Vifam]

I guess I'm pretty solid on Marq being town too

[Vifam]

Okay, I'll lurk until I get a decent townread.

Just wondering, on a scale of 1-10, 10 being "I care a lot" how much do you care about this game?
-Rem (Ali)

What would you rate if you definitely want to influence the game and win?

Prob like 8

[Vifam]

I'm prob at like 6 rn

[Vifam]

I think Rem&R are town

[Vifam]

Why are ppl scumreading them

[Vifam]

From my experience Alisae is always kind of all over the place

[Vifam]

Sure

[Vifam]

Gork leans town for me

[Vifam]

Cool to hear other neighborhoods are being used.

I'm in that hood too

[Vifam]

Honestly I have no strong reads this game someone provide a case I really like and I'll follow the lead

[Vifam]

I don't think that's a bad assumption to make

[Vifam]

Lol this is garbage

its actually a post.
not garbage.

i got you some glasses because i think you need them:

This is the highest quality post of the thread so far.

Taking notes about how people are dealing with this spiffeh situatuon. Interesting that vifam finds something to take issue with with spiffehs turnaround, then does the exact same thing after an explenation. Cute.

Not really the same thing at all

[Vifam]

Wait no I think I got this

VOTE: Sakura

[Vifam]

You said Im glad you're bussing early tho which implies

[Vifam]

Anyway going through Sakura's ISO a lot of her posts and interactions feel very forced, the post where she kind of invites Voices to sort her out feels fake to me specifically

[Vifam]

In more detail I feel as if Sakura is invited people to look into her but she isn't really putting herself out there, feels like scum trying to act as if she's town with nothing to hide

[Vifam]

Yeah I can't tell if SAD is faking the arrogance but those recent posts are very bad imo

[Vifam]

Why are you so bad at this game I don't understand

Finding scum is legitimately hard sometimes :/

[Vifam]

I genuinely feel like her posting is forced tho

[Vifam]

Like who actually gains anything by knowing that?

We all individually came out so I don't see why you think this is a problem

[Vifam]

You guys know the players in question arent really new right

[Vifam]

Im not really convinced idk guys not really feeling that wagon

[Vifam]

Sakura's vote on Rem is bad I think Im going to stay here

[Vifam]

Yeah what she said

[Vifam]

Sakura's vote on Rem is bad I think Im going to stay here

Don't you go scaring my sheep off, I work very hard to have this kind of power over people.

The wagon built kinda fast doesn't that set you off a lil

[Vifam]

Like it legit came out of nowhere so Im kind of like ???? the only person I know who really mapped out a reason was BYF and Voices

[Vifam]

Looked like a counterwagon to SAD tbqh

[Vifam]

Plus the Titus/ThinkBig hydra "waiting" to see how the SAD wagon goes while not hesitating to get on Rem leaves a bad taste in my mouth, especially since she seemed to scumread Rem specifically cuz of a discussion in the neighborhood about SAD

[Vifam]

Like it legit came out of nowhere so Im kind of like ???? the only person I know who really mapped out a reason was BYF and Voices

Do you think they're towny for this, or scum trying to justify their vote?
-Rem (Ali)

Voices and Sakura look the worst

idk about Creature and Majify

BYF is town imo

[Vifam]

This is offtopic but like arrogant mafia player is such a weird gimmick to have like is it really that fun to pretend you're a genius on a roleplaying game

[Vifam]

idk Ive never tried it personally

[Vifam]

idk man I got hella charisma I wouldn't consider myself arrogant

[Vifam]

Good point tbh

[Vifam]

I prob only feel that way because I dont really care if Im good or bad as long as Im having a decent time

[Vifam]

You're right tbh

VOTE: Voices

[Vifam]

SAD looks like he's bussing Voices and Im cool with that

[Vifam]

It's not a case im just talking, Voices looks scummy regardless zzzzz

[Vifam]

You're not providing any real context there

[Vifam]

Pretty sure at the time Spiffeh was getting on SAD for ignoring him and pointed out something about how SAD made a comment about Titus bussing Rem, SAD said he didn't scumread Rem and Spiffeh pointed it out

[Vifam]

I got you

[Vifam]

Please don't call me sweetie man

[Vifam]

Oh ok

Hey SAD can you hit me in the face with why R&R is scum?

R&R is scum?

News to me.

Yeah Rem Ram posting on page 13 felt super icky. I actually kinda liked their posting before that, but the double-team thing on page 13 felt forced.

I'm glad you're bussing early Voices.

???

You said Im glad you're bussing early tho which implies

Yeah I can't tell if SAD is faking the arrogance but those recent posts are very bad imo

[Vifam]

I was just pointing out when I started to have an issue with your play that was more about me than you

[Vifam]

she was much more on the attack the last time we were playing together tho

Funnily I've been thinking the exact same thing about you. Hyper active vifam is not something I've seen from town vifam.

Welcome to the world of awesome generalisations based on n=1

Have we played b4

[Vifam]

Oh yeah

That game was boring as fuck man

[Vifam]

This one is atleast like entertaining

[Vifam]

For now anyway

[Vifam]

Nah I'm town this game

[Vifam]

I wish dayvigs were a bigger thing too

[Vifam]

Whats the VC

[Vifam]

I like Creature's posting, this feels like the town Creature I played with before

[Vifam]

Vecna probably isn't that bad of a lynch either tbqh

[Vifam]

Vecna/SAD/Voices/Sakura all ok lynches 2 me

[Vifam]

My bad what do you wanna talk about

[Vifam]

Didn't like how you held back on voting SAD yet hopped on the Rem&Ram wagon as it was starting to gain speed, especially since you seem to think Rem&Ram are scummy because they said they didn't want to apply pressure on SAD in the hood. Which implies you thought they were partners, so why did you hop on the building counterwagon instead of joining the already established SAD wagon

[Vifam]

Vecna's vote pattern looks like he's pretending to be haha laidback town lol and it really feels like he's forcing it so yeah that's a good wagon

[Vifam]

a)their answers are independently scummy

So do you think Rem&Ram answered like that because she didn't want to vote her scum partner in SAD or was it just scum trying to avoid jumping on a wagon for whatever reason

[Vifam]

Why is Vecna a top townread

[Vifam]

Also where is ThinkBig in all this

[Vifam]

I don't agree with you about Creature but Vecna could be scum yeah

[Vifam]

How are you feeling Gork

[Vifam]

What is SAD at

[Vifam]

Why do half the people who play mafia not actually like mafia?

masochism

[Vifam]

@__@

[Vifam]

VOTE: Steven Quartz

This vote stays until a fuck is given by this slot

Lame

[Vifam]

VOTE: Steven Quartz

This vote stays until a fuck is given by this slot

Yeah this is awful

It's inevitable that this slot will be replaced. You seemed to have some strong opinions as you caught up but opted to do the least useful thing you can do with your vote.

100emoji

[Vifam]

Cuz he's probably scum

[Vifam]

Im feeling the Voices lynch more than Im feeling a SAD lynch atm

[Vifam]

How far is he from a lynch rn

[Vifam]

I will tell you a short story Cheetory.

I used to be a young paladin once who played mafia by the rule book, answering questions, asking my own questions, trying to figure out people, interacting with people, and acted very pro-town all around. But over time, I noticed I continued to be mislynched all the time for some reason! It got so bad that it made me dislike this game and the people. Why put so much effort when I am still getting mislynched by people who barely put any effort. And some people have the AUDACITY to tell me that the way I put so much effort indicated I was trying too hard or that I was trying to trick people by looking pro town? It made me dislike this game! So I took a long hiatus from this game. But then I spectated a game where a player, who was one of the few players I met when I first started to play, played spectacularly and was able to catch all the scum super quickly. It brought an inspiration within me! I realize what first drew me to mafia in the first place. Catching scum! So I decided to the game. But I decided that being a pleasant pro-town super helpful player was not the way to go. And at the end of the day, I actually don't care too much who wins, etc. This is a game after all! The point is to have fun with it. And what is fun for me is correctly identifying scum. Which is why I still play - to correctly identify scum. If I deem something as worthless it's not because I'm trying to be a jerk or big meanie. It's literally that it does not help me with my goal - finding scum. You will notice I ask very little of other people and mostly play as an observer who commentates on other interactions. That's because I know I refuse/dodge a lot of questions myself, it's not fair to then turn around and expect other people to answer questions from me. What fascinates and interests me is the little interactions that people have, and the fun and satisfaction I get is from correctly identifying who is trying to manipulate and trick others. You might be thinking at this point,

mastina

SAD, why don't you just observe? Simply put, I get no satisfaction from being right as a spectator, because

I

am not in any danger myself. It's easy for someone sitting on the high seat to see the full gladiator arena. They are sitting in their comfy chair away from the blood and gore! But to be inside the gladiator arena and still be able to tell which people are on your side wanting to help you out and which people belong to Cesar alone and have lost empathy and want to only tear you to shreds, now THAT'S a satisfying feeling. I am but a gladiator risking my life to tell apart the spies from the heroes. But I am not a hero myself. This is why I say I'm not a town leader or champion. It's true! I aim to be a mafia PRODIGY to identify scum correctly (which is why I hate being scum so much so boring), but I am not there to lead town to victory.

I mean me too thanks.

Suspicionpoints for people that ignore this post after this point and do keep their vote without engaging some of this stuff.

It's because most people are just bad players compared to how the game used to be played. They think they want to engage with me until I actually give them something then they realize "holy moly he's obv town but my pride!!!"

Anyway, I'll look at my wagon tonight and do analysis as to who are the scum. Usually pref to wait till it's L-1 but I might not have that much time later in the week.

ngl I kinda thought this sounded town

[Vifam]

Why do you Titus is town @Spiffeh

[Vifam]

Increasingly losing interest


What's the case on Creature tho

[Vifam]

ThinkBig: Oh no we got scum
Titus: Don't worry I'll do all the posting for you

This is honestly hilarious

[Vifam]

VOTE: Vecna

[Vifam]

Don't understand why people get so riled up

Let's lynch Vecna

[Vifam]

VOTE: Vecna

Vifam who are you scumreading and what do you think of Titus now.

I still think she could be scum but these last few pages make me unsure

I don't think scum Titus would blatantly omgus like she has done

[Vifam]

At the same time tho she made the same "scum is threatened by me" comment when she was scum in WWE Mafia so

[Vifam]

I dont wanna read other games I was only going off by the only one I have completed with you in it

[Vifam]

Im not really interested in a SAD lynch anymore either

Creature doesn't look scummy to me at all tbh

[Vifam]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing


Majiffy is playing hardcore aggressive but there's honestly no reason to think it's town specifically

[Vifam]

I could get behind a lurker lynch.

hmm

MoI - Not really a lurker but not as active as everyone else, I wouldn't lynch him tho
Kur0 - The few posts he does have about the game don't really feel scummy
Steven - Yeah ok
Marq - Feels like he was town and genuinely lost interest

[Vifam]

BYF was heavy active before but kinda fell off recently, I still think he's town tho

Beeboy - Could be scum yeah

[Vifam]

Oh yeah I forgot

[Vifam]

The scummiest of those players is probably Beeboy or Kur0 everyone else looks sort of town despite low activity/post count

[Vifam]

prodge

[Vifam]

Whats going on

[Vifam]

idk I haven't been keeping if I catch up with the game maybe Id have a change of heart

[Vifam]

Someone summarize the important parts of the last 20 pages

[Vifam]

I doubt it

[Vifam]

Creature is hard to read

[Vifam]

Yeah I'm not sold on Creature being scum sorry Rem&Ram

[Vifam]

Is it possible to lynch Sakura

[Vifam]

Me

[Vifam]

Mastina I have a light townread on your slot if you come in here and instantly find scum like you did in the last game were in together Id be eternally grateful for the lack of work Id have to put in

[Vifam]

Jesus man

[Vifam]

It's going ok so far same old

[Vifam]

I had a slight townread on Gork earlier but I don't really feel as good about him as I did before

[Vifam]

Where is SAD in your list

[Vifam]

I've been kinda skimming through it, I may have missed important parts but the way you seemed to develop a scumread on Creature seemed off to me

[Vifam]

Yeah

there are scummier players on that wagon tho like beeboy or VoT

[Vifam]

VOTE: Beeboy

[Vifam]

I'm curious what you can come up with for why town are so disjointed though. That's something I want to figure out now too.

I think it's a personality thing

[Vifam]

Ok let's all gather around and pick a lynch

[Vifam]

The problem is there is no one who is widely scumread


We should pick one of the big wagons we've had today and lynch one of those players

[Vifam]

damm I really thought we were hitting deadline

[Vifam]

We could test a few more wagons first.

Ok

VOTE: MoI

[Vifam]

Tbh I don't see this wagon gaining us any new clarity but I'm willing to try anything at this point

My reads aren't that strong

[Vifam]

Vecna, Creature, Vifam, Ser Arthur Dayne

Huh. No wonder this wagon smells so bad.

Who do you feel like is the scummiest

[Vifam]

Dont really think Creature is scum but defending him seems like it'd be so hard

[Vifam]

zzzzz

vote: creature

me giving you lame thoughts for free youre welcome:

i dont really want to lynch creature today.
though, i think he deserves a revisit eventually.

[Vifam]

Gork is still voting Creature despite earlier saying he didn't want to lynch him and even saying he was starting to get a slight scumread on Rem&Ram

[Vifam]

Can we look into that or are we doing something else now

[Vifam]

I didn't notice :/

[Vifam]

Majiffy aside from Creature who do you think is scum

[Vifam]

Who is Beeboy's replacement

[Vifam]

Ank can you answer my question bro

[Vifam]

Vifam: it should be obvious which two are null and which two are scum.

So you scumread Creature/SAD

why

[Vifam]

Gork pretty much summed up how I feel about Majiffy vs Creature

[Vifam]

Why ask a question that is pointless? It means he is either scum trying to wiggle out of pressure or a terrible Town player. That’s established. I understand what I think is Majiffy’s frustration. Giving players a pass to play bad as Town “because they do” leads to players like KainTepes being celebrated instead of encouraged to not play poorly.

You just hate fun

[Vifam]

idrc how someone plays as long as they keep it entertaining and are nice


that's all we should ask from each other tbh

[Vifam]

I'll try im sorry pal

[Vifam]

Hey Vifam is probably scum if anyone cares?

Why

[Vifam]

Hey Vifam is probably scum if anyone cares?

Why

It took anyone three days to even start to engage this.

You are basically kissing everyone's ass. This is not Smackdown Vifam.

I honestly dont know who to push n I really don't feel like putting myself out there atm


If I had to lynch anyone at the minute it'd probably be Gin

[Vifam]

I could double back and possibly lynch Sakura today too

Sakura/Gin/Ankamius/Majiffy all would be lynches Im sort of comfortable with


But I've had my reservations about all those slots

Specifically Sakura and Majiffy who feel town to me sometimes

[Vifam]

Im still confident BYF is town
I think Marquis/Nahdia is town too
Creature looks town
Gork looks town
Rem & Ram feel town


Everyone else is kind of a tossup

[Vifam]

I used to have a stronger scumread on Titus but I feel like she's actually gamesolving here, before when she was scum she seemed to kind of attempt to control the flow of things rather than sit back and kind of scumhunt from afar like she's doing now

[Vifam]

Why is BYF scum? I dont see it

[Vifam]

While everyone argues i'll just stay here voting scum, dont mind me but all this back and forth is tiring and isnt changing my reads a single bit.

So aside from Gin what are your reads anyway? The "I'm apathetic and I'll just keep calling a single person scum" routine long ago wore out its welcome.

Townreading you, majiffy, sad, vifam, r&r, titus, r&a, gork, spiffeh, creature.
scumread gin and vecna nullreading ank, byf (down from townread), nahdia

The sudden scumreads on BYF feel so left field

[Vifam]

Like where is this suddenly coming from

[Vifam]

Soooo he's scummy now for lurking?

[Vifam]

Soooo he's scummy now for lurking?

If you put it that way i guess?
just because someone looks town at start and then decide to lurk out their read im not going to leave them as townread forever.

Ok sure but town can lurk too, I don't see how he goes from being a super strong townread to scum because he's been inactive

[Vifam]

BYF isn't scum for being inactive. Don't put words in my mouth.

Why do you think he's scum?

[Vifam]

If you disagree with my read then tell me what has he done RECENTLY to deserve continue being townread.

I think his post about coasting felt genuinely town


Do you see anything he's posted recently that looks scummy?

[Vifam]

Plus he has a few posts in the neighborhood that feel town too

[Vifam]

I honestly don't read your posts ngl

[Vifam]

I kinda glaze through em to see if my name is brought up

[Vifam]

UNVOTE:

[Vifam]

Are you used to doing nothing and having everything spoon fed to you?

You coulda said no I would have found it myself Im not gonna force you bro


I don't really see how his thoughts there are inconsistent. SAD and Ank were both making different points and you it is possible to agree with both

[Vifam]

Ank was pointing out that the wagon came from nowhere and could be scum motivated


SAD said that Ank was defending the MoI because he knows MoI is town


From Yoshi's POV both could be possible

[Vifam]

My grammar was terrible in those last few posts but you get my point

[Vifam]

tbh I read it as he was agreeing too


But yeah there really isn't any inconsistency there, just awkward wording

[Vifam]

Literally every argument for Creature being scum has been overwhelmingly unconvincing


I wish you'd stop acting like you've presented us with some amazing evidence

[Vifam]

This feels like PYP Vifam not Smackdown
~Andrea

PYP?

[Vifam]

Actually catching up tonight. On page 4, but is Vifam like Not_Mafia because so far his posts are like eating a doughnut but the only thing you bit into was the air inside the ring?

???????????????????


It was literally the RVS stage

[Vifam]

Ank/Moi/Bee/R&R/???
This feels good to me right now on a full catch up
~Andrea

MoI seems town to me

I do agree that he tends to harp on little things, but he was doing that in Spyro and he flipped town.

[Vifam]

Still feel like R&R is town too but it's starting to decrase over time


There more recent pushes on Creature feel really half baked and almost as if they've reserved themselves into a mode where they can safely tunnel and do nothing else and be ok with it

[Vifam]

Still feel like R&R is town too but it's starting to decrase over time


There more recent pushes on Creature feel really half baked and almost as if they've reserved themselves into a mode where they can safely tunnel and do nothing else and be ok with it

And that's different from you in Smackdown how?

I was definitely doing more then just tunneling


You were just blatantly scum there, I don't see how anyone could say the same for Creature

[Vifam]

I wasn't blatantly scum there in Smackdown as I endgamed it carrying my team, but that's a debate for later

Nah I agree with that tbh


Rem's read is based on meta, unlike my read on you on Smackdown where I had no prior games with you and was going purely on what I was seeing in game. This looks like Creature's townplay to me so I don't see why they'd be so certain, unless we have a different perspective on the way Creature's townplay looks.

[Vifam]

Majiffy vs Creature just keeps getting fucking worse

[Vifam]

Literally every page it gets worse jesus

[Vifam]

I don't know who I wanna lynch mainly because we've only discussed one fucking thing for 90% of the game


If Creature was really scum we'd have more topics being thrown around, but ever since the SAD wagon everything has literally been Creature:The animated film


Do you guys not see this?

[Vifam]

Like isn't anyone kinda ???? that everyone is SO READY to voice their Creature read but when any other player is brought up it's complete crickets and no real discussion starts? Titus tried to start a dialogue on me and got completely ignored, whoever scum is know this is a mislynch and are letting us talk ourselves to fucking death about it

[Vifam]

Because he's probably town dealing with this shit

[Vifam]

VOTE: Rem&Ram

[Vifam]

Frankly Id rather lynch Gin

[Vifam]

But im just gonna sheep


Burn anyone on the Creature wagon at this point idc anymore

[Vifam]

Like the fact that no one has ever bothered to ask, "Hey why is everything so focused on Creature" through these last like 60 pages is amazing to me and just makes me feel stronger in my townread

[Vifam]

Everyone who is voting Rem and Ram is town, everyone who isn't is scum. You're either with me or you're against me.

Great, then you're probably scum. Someone town must be against you by the numbers. Your steadfast refusal to realize that you are just pissing off town is annoying at best.

It's cool when Majiffy does it tho

[Vifam]

Creature is a mislynch


You see how everyone who thinks he's town is like "lol we should lynch him anyway fuck it"

God damm

[Vifam]

How is no one fucking seeing this

[Vifam]

He's literally being setup for a D1 deadline mislynch

[Vifam]

You

[Vifam]

NO ONE is trying to derail the Creature convo, scum want us to waste all our time with his lynch because he's town