BIOCHEMISTRY - game over, finally, it's only been 5 months

[Ankamius]

Lol people are actually believing SAD's terrible case?

Who believed my case? Please point at least one person - because I've seen no one yet agree with and a few disagree.

Keep saying random scum things buddy.

Nobody has issues with it. That's more than telling enough.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Lol people are actually believing SAD's terrible case?

Who believed my case? Please point at least one person - because I've seen no one yet agree with and a few disagree.

Keep saying random scum things buddy.

Nobody has issues with it. That's more than telling enough.

No I just told you a few did.

Second you said people agreed with it, don't fucking move the goalpost. Point specific people who agreed.

[Gorkington]

@moi, yeah i dont know. i remember on d2 it felt right just cause of the connection that i thought was there with SS. i think purely on his play alone, sad in isolation felt town to me that game and i remember just not really agreeing with the angles you were pushing there on d1. im a sucker for connections to scumbuddies. its one of those points that can be really tangible for me, so d2 i was pretty much on the same page as you on that merit. but i think in terms of like.. reading SAD by play, its evidently more difficult than either of us would have expected in defcon? and i guess i would have thought that hesitance would have translated to here instead of the same kind of murder-feels that i saw in that game for him. i just think from where the gamestate is currently at, youre going to struggle to get 4-5 votes on sad even if you make a good case there today. so making a lot of noise about it seems counterproductive to me. certain kinds of players dont go down easy on d1, sad is definitely one of those players. so even if he is scum here it just seems to me like youre wasting your time and im kind of confused why you feel SO confident about him when i feel like beyond singular moments of inspiration, i feel overly unconfident in my ability to read sad in general.

that might be a lot of word vomit that can be simplified down to "im surprised youre so confident about your read and im not confident about mine".

[Nahdia]

having also been town in defcon, i'll just say that the wagon around SAD then was a pretty different context then to how it is now. SAD was pretty much immediately crucified for hard defending someone who ended up flipping scum, as I recall.

[Ankamius]

Lol people are actually believing SAD's terrible case?

Who believed my case? Please point at least one person - because I've seen no one yet agree with and a few disagree.

Keep saying random scum things buddy.

Nobody has issues with it. That's more than telling enough.

No I just told you a few did.

Second you said people agreed with it, don't fucking move the goalpost. Point specific people who agreed.

BigYoshiFan is the main one. Everyone else is more indirectly agreeing mostly by having reads for similar things. Most of them were already in my scumreads anyway.

The only one I see a actively condemning it is MoI, who thinks those same people are scum anyway, so big fucking shocker, right?

[Ankamius]

Either way, your case is still terrible and at best proves you have no idea how I play the game.

[Ankamius]

MoI is likely town for picking up on why BYF is scum.

[Vifam]

Why is BYF scum? I dont see it

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

This MoI wagon is so bad that I'm willing to call MoI pretty solidly town solely from that.

Vecna, Creature, Vifam, Ser Arthur Dayne

Huh. No wonder this wagon smells so bad.

Go ahead and tell me why there's a wagon suddenly popping up on a slot with no reasoning whatsoever that also happens to hold two scumreads and two nullreads of mine.

Unpack that for me. Tell me exactly what you mean.

This is not town giving thoughts on a wagon, this is scum defending a wagon knowing it's town.

Intriguing... Regardless, I like this read. May or may not be true, but I like the thought process.

This is agreeing?????

It literally says it may or may not be true and says he likes the fact I made this read, not the specific read itself.

Yeah Ank is scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Either way, your case is still terrible and at best proves you have no idea how I play the game.

Great once again moving the goalpost and now you're resorting to belittling

Sorry you landed scum.

[MagnaofIllusion]

i just think from where the gamestate is currently at, youre going to struggle to get 4-5 votes on sad even if you make a good case there today. so making a lot of noise about it seems counterproductive to me. certain kinds of players dont go down easy on d1, sad is definitely one of those players. so even if he is scum here it just seems to me like youre wasting your time and im kind of confused why you feel SO confident about him when i feel like beyond singular moments of inspiration, i feel overly unconfident in my ability to read sad in general.

You are probably right on the very first part - it might not be doable today. But my two strongest scum reads are SAD and Vecna and I've pushed wagons to viable sizes on both already. I'm currently working on a few other irons but nothing as strong as my read on them. So I'm absolutely not going to let those reads fade into the distance. Sorry if that feels like to you as it is unproductive but FMPOV it is a necessity. I'll point to my custom title on this - I long ago got sick of letting my top reads go, dying N1, and then watching as everyone considered them ancient history.

Recently Spyro the Dragon Mafia reminded me in a big way. I let my read on SirCakez go and followed onto Gin Day 1. It was a mislynch and I got Nightkilled because SirCakez was scum and I had pushed on both other scum during the Day. Town went on to lose when the points I brought up against Leon (not as strongly as I am pushing here) were forgotten. So at some level I feel it is "shame on me" for not doing my best to keep my scum suspects front and center. Maybe that's bad of me ... but I think it is how I have to best manage the situation.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Great once again moving the goalpost and

now you're resorting to belittling

The scum irony is strong with this one ...

[Ankamius]

Thanks for realizing that my initial point was 'believe it isn't a scum case'

But ok. Like you said, you're not being sheeped, so I don't have a reason to shut it down.

[Sakura Hana]

While everyone argues i'll just stay here voting scum, dont mind me but all this back and forth is tiring and isnt changing my reads a single bit.

[Ankamius]

This MoI wagon is so bad that I'm willing to call MoI pretty solidly town solely from that.

Vecna, Creature, Vifam, Ser Arthur Dayne

Huh. No wonder this wagon smells so bad.

Go ahead and tell me why there's a wagon suddenly popping up on a slot with no reasoning whatsoever that also happens to hold two scumreads and two nullreads of mine.

Unpack that for me. Tell me exactly what you mean.

This is not town giving thoughts on a wagon, this is scum defending a wagon knowing it's town.

Intriguing... Regardless, I like this read. May or may not be true, but I like the thought process.

This is agreeing?????

It literally says it may or may not be true and says he likes the fact I made this read, not the specific read itself.

Yeah Ank is scum.

Have you figured out why BigYoshiFan is scum yet or are you going to turn a blind eye to it and continue tunneling?

[MagnaofIllusion]

While everyone argues i'll just stay here voting scum, dont mind me but all this back and forth is tiring and isnt changing my reads a single bit.

So aside from Gin what are your reads anyway? The "I'm apathetic and I'll just keep calling a single person scum" routine long ago wore out its welcome.

[Gorkington]

Maybe that's bad of me ... but I think it is how I have to best manage the situation.

i think as long as you try to be honest about why youre playing the way youre playing, it isnt a big deal. its when rhetoric kind of explodes into this ridiculous spectacle that the game gets pretty boring for me. i appreciate that youre kind of unpacking where youre coming from here in general though. it at least makes me feel like youre hopefully town lol.

can we maybe talk shop about our personal strongest two scumreads sometime in the near future and really try to dig into where we're both coming from? will maybe help both of us get to a stronger place reads-wise.

[Sakura Hana]

While everyone argues i'll just stay here voting scum, dont mind me but all this back and forth is tiring and isnt changing my reads a single bit.

So aside from Gin what are your reads anyway? The "I'm apathetic and I'll just keep calling a single person scum" routine long ago wore out its welcome.

Townreading you, majiffy, sad, vifam, r&r, titus, r&a, gork, spiffeh, creature.
scumread gin and vecna nullreading ank, byf (down from townread), nahdia

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Recently Spyro the Dragon Mafia reminded me in a big way. I let my read on SirCakez go and followed onto Gin Day 1. It was a mislynch and I got Nightkilled because SirCakez was scum and I had pushed on both other scum during the Day. Town went on to lose when the points I brought up against Leon (not as strongly as I am pushing here) were forgotten. So at some level I feel it is "shame on me" for not doing my best to keep my scum suspects front and center. Maybe that's bad of me ... but I think it is how I have to best manage the situation.

Do I look like a SirCakez alt?

You have proved over and over you're terrible at reading me. This is like "I have misread this dude a bunch of times but look I read this irrelevant player correctly here hnnnnnng"

[Gorkington]

is it really fair to reference meta from 3-4 years ago in that regard?

[Vifam]

While everyone argues i'll just stay here voting scum, dont mind me but all this back and forth is tiring and isnt changing my reads a single bit.

So aside from Gin what are your reads anyway? The "I'm apathetic and I'll just keep calling a single person scum" routine long ago wore out its welcome.

Townreading you, majiffy, sad, vifam, r&r, titus, r&a, gork, spiffeh, creature.
scumread gin and vecna nullreading ank, byf (down from townread), nahdia

The sudden scumreads on BYF feel so left field

[Vifam]

Like where is this suddenly coming from

[Sakura Hana]

oh yeah mastina's a nullread too.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

is it really fair to reference meta from 3-4 years ago in that regard?

Yes.

[Sakura Hana]

Like where is this suddenly coming from

mostly coz he was like super town at the start and since then he's been doing nothing so the read has deteriorated.