BIOCHEMISTRY - game over, finally, it's only been 5 months

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Creature SAD Quartz Beeboy

There you go. That's where I am at on scum.

Vifam and Sakura most definitely town.

How can you have a scumread on quartz?

Yume has enough respect for me that they'd engage me somehow. This isn't SU2 Yume either.

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Hey Vifam is probably scum if anyone cares?

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Hey Vifam is probably scum if anyone cares?

Why

It took anyone three days to even start to engage this.

You are basically kissing everyone's ass. This is not Smackdown Vifam.

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The Titus read was fake. The whole thing was a test.

I want to lynch for this alone.

What were you testing?

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Titus how you doing? We don't talk enough.
How's life and where is your head at?

~Rick

I has cold.

Vifam scum. That's where my head is.

Ankimaus annoys the shit out of me. To sort when he gets better.

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Hey Jiffy, can you post all four separate reasons in spoilers for those of us who cannot deal. Ty in advance.

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Majiffy, are we going to get in a VCA discussion this game? It's almost worth lurking to do that.

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About fucking time, Titus. Now I know you're town.

Moving on.

This doesn't answer my question. What were you looking for your test and why?

Creature, I was never lynched in SU2 and I am not voting you now. I threw out Vifam as scum like yesterday or today and haven't pushed it much.

So where are you getting confbiased from?

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VOTE: Creature

@Ank, who said what in your hood that made you come around? Let's remove Creature now.

@Jiffy, Who were your townreads at the time of you claiming you had too many? (Post 2199)

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That was a bad vote Titus you were very close to being removed off The List because I was starting to like your recent posts.

So, you like me if I am doing what you want?

Like if you thought my Vifam push was good, why not engage it? Or are you more concerned with shading Jiffy?

I haven't done shit these past few days and threw out a scumread to get a lifeline while sick. It sunk bad.

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VOTE: Creature

@Ank, who said what in your hood that made you come around? Let's remove Creature now.

@Jiffy, Who were your townreads at the time of you claiming you had too many? (Post 2199)

Firebringer and Majiffy had comments on why you were scumreading my slot, but they made you look more scum until your response.

Why?

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@Jiffy, Help me out? I am voting Creature again and want to check my work.

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Check what work

My own TRs (hugs)

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...Link?

Not in thread in one place. Seriously, can you just link/quote your reads whenever.

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Oh you want mine

Idk yeah I'll get around to it tomorrow or something. Remind me.

Yeah at the time Creature objected.

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So, I know I've been coasting a lot. I haven't had much time at all recently; and I'm not sure that's gonna change.
I don't want to attract suspicion because I've been so inactive, but I also don't want to replace out.
I'd feel guilty of replacing out and throwing all of this onto a replacement not to mention having the mod find yet another replacement.
If I do stay, I'll be inactive quite a bit more than usual. I dunno... thoughts?
I know a common answer will be to do whatever you think would be most helpful for your team, but I'm not sure at this point.
Have I been noticeably inactive?

Stop Towntelling it fucking hurts <3

Not a towntell but it's a BYF is a decent guy tell.

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Oh you want mine

Idk yeah I'll get around to it tomorrow or something. Remind me.

Yeah at the time Creature objected.

Majiffy aside from Creature who do you think is scum

You're possible.
Dayne's getting likelier by the minute.
Gork's a maybe.
No idea on Nahdia or Mastina yet.

If you're correct on Creature, I'd expect two scum in here.

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At least.

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No, but I am a replacement in a game with Firebringer AND MagnaofIllusion, both players who tend to take issue with me and would rather not have had me replace in--so it's treading on eggshells for me to try to be on my best behavior and yet still function as a player.

There's a grand total of seven players who so much as could be scum--MoI/Creature/Marquis/Rick/Majiffy/VoT/Yoshi; everyone else is town.
This, not even going into whether the players actually are scum. (For instance, you I heavily lean against.)

Look – more mastin bullshit. Oh I’m worried about how Rick and Andrea / MoI will react to me so I’m being careful. Meanwhile both these players are in the pool of fucking 7 players who could only be scum. Yes that’s right … mastin has a pool that is 4/7 scum and is worried about offending two of the players in that fucking pool.

It is specifically

because

you are in the pool that I need to tread carefully, MoI.

If I was townreading you, there would be no issue. If you townread me and I townread you we could effectively leave it at that and ignore each other entirely. It's day one, so it's not like we'd be likely to ever need to work together, so no repeat of Steven Universe 2. No treading on eggshells, no special measures needed, because nothing I say matters/would be relevant to you, and likely vice-versa too.

...But because I'm

not

townreading you (though you apparently are townreading me), there IS the issue. Because I'm not townreading you, there's treading on eggshells because there's the whole awkwardness of the situation. It's unpleasant, but also my fault, and something that therefore warrants caution.

And why are you repeating it with me at best knowing my record in SU 2?

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Mastina catches up in order. She's 300 posts behind. I mislynched her for it once.

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I love the poorly educated

I'm a college student so like, I should be love at first sight >_>

Spoiler:

Counting the ones I played somewhat relevantly:

Micro 597: Went super aggressive but didn't try to look like I was solving anything
Mini 1787: Showed obvious scum motivation
Newbie 1703: Lurked, been called lurker lot of times
Open 643: Lurked and eventually flaked out
Micro 619: Lurked and coasted
Wake's Role Madness: Lurked and coasted
The Walking Dead: Lurked a lot, my other hydra head had to do the most
Micro 647: Was actually towny there, but still lurked a bit

Likely all very different from my townplay

With that, and posts like 185 and 210; plus Jiffy's case, I've got creature as scum lean.

Only on like page 12 but I'm okay with this so far

VOTE: Creature

Hey Rick, I voted Creature, you think I'm scum. Tell me your thoughts on the vote.

Hey I missed you. I need happies. Reads?

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And why are you repeating it with me at best knowing my record in SU 2?

If there's bad blood between you and I, it would be news to me.
As a result, you're not someone I need to tread carefully with.

The feud with Firebringer and MoI is known, so them I do take caution with.

Not bad blood. Just extreme frustration. We went in circles for game days because you had to lynch Snarky or whomever instead of TWIE and others over scum.

I would rather not do that again.

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EBWOP

Same with 2493 – that isn’t Town talking to someone who is still on their scum list right there. That's light threatening ...

So, do you think SAD is whiteknighting or defending a buddy with Creature? Right now, SAD is propping up the Ankimaus counterwagon.

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Still feel like R&R is town too but it's starting to decrase over time


There more recent pushes on Creature feel really half baked and almost as if they've reserved themselves into a mode where they can safely tunnel and do nothing else and be ok with it

And that's different from you in Smackdown how?

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So, do you think SAD is whiteknighting or defending a buddy with Creature? Right now, SAD is propping up the Ankimaus counterwagon.

WhiteKnighting. ScumAD would probably bus the shit out of a scum-partner in Creature given he's basically spewing nonsensical stuff in his posts. Also, Defcon Day 2 says that ScumAD doesn't hard defend a partner going down since he knows there is every chance that he gets lynched in response the next day if he doesn't NK me. And I hope I've already made it clear that me biting the dust tonight is basically a guilty on both SAD and Vecna.

Right now, if you died, I would be suspect town had a vig. I would take your reads into account, but you're working with no one. I think SAD might be scum, but reads being filtered through that assumption don't do much for anyone. If SAD dies and flips town, your posts are near worthless.

Even I once or twice break meta reads like that. What a player does depends on the situation as much as the tendencies/preferences of the players. For instance, I had to bus in Street Fighter to be involved in any major wagon. Strategy meta depends a fair amount on what SAD values.

I want you to disassociate from your convictions about meta. Tell me which posts fuel your belief in whiteknighting or defending a partner at least without relying on a meta read.

I hope I am not being to harsh as I respect you as a player.

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Still feel like R&R is town too but it's starting to decrase over time


There more recent pushes on Creature feel really half baked and almost as if they've reserved themselves into a mode where they can safely tunnel and do nothing else and be ok with it

And that's different from you in Smackdown how?

I was definitely doing more then just tunneling


You were just blatantly scum there, I don't see how anyone could say the same for Creature

And you avoided engaging with Jiffy's wall?

I wasn't blatantly scum there in Smackdown as I endgamed it carrying my team, but that's a debate for later. Why are you ruling out Rem and Ram feeling Creature is blatant scum?

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I wasn't blatantly scum there in Smackdown as I endgamed it carrying my team, but that's a debate for later

Nah I agree with that tbh


Rem's read is based on meta, unlike my read on you on Smackdown where I had no prior games with you and was going purely on what I was seeing in game. This looks like Creature's townplay to me so I don't see why they'd be so certain, unless we have a different perspective on the way Creature's townplay looks.

Other than quantity, what hallmarks are you using?

What about Giffy's posts?

What about MoI v SAD?

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HS' read on me is totally unrealistic, even if I turn out to be scum.

Why would town ever say this?

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HS' read on me is totally unrealistic, even if I turn out to be scum.

Why would town ever say this?

To intensify how unrealistic their read on me can't be from town.

If you're town, you're never flipping scum, so why consider it? It's one thing to say If I am scum in the abstract, it's another to say if I flip scum?

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Like you have to be kidding me, how do you ignore my scum bee meta evidence and keep bee slot as a strong townread while pushing creature as scum by meta.

Why haven't you both realized meta is crap?

Disagreeing is not the same thing as ignoring. Don't fall into the trap of if I keep rephrasing the same thing that it will get through or the slot is scum.

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Titus you don’t have to pretend … I know you don’t really care for me. You’ve made it clear over and over again. It doesn’t bother me so don’t put in the fake effort.

Yeah, this isn't true, so I'm going to keep reaching out to you to try and show you that I do care even though I am struggling to communicate with you.

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Anyway my lynch prefs in order

Ank
Majiffy
Rem/Ram
maybe Titus

I don't think both Rem Ram and Majiffy are scum together though. But I think if Creature were to ever flip town one of them is 99% scum.

So you want to lynch the counterwagon and all the vocal town pushing Creature's wagon? This is kinda a point in favor of what Magna is saying that this is a whiteknight style of post.

It's not a lock but it makes me worry and want to jump onto you.

Like Majiffy and Rem/Ram are pretty lock town to me.

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That doesn’t say “Defending a Partner” at all. That says “I’m going to use this flip that I know is Town despite me calling it a ScumLean against someone else and making sure I lay that groundwork today”.

That's my concern and you got there without meta.

Talk to me about Vifam?

VOTE: unvote

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Like Majiffy and Rem/Ram are pretty lock town to me.

Sorry, but we settled that Rem and Ram will be lynched without hesitation next day if I'm lynched and I flip town.

If you're town, I wouldn't follow you anywhere right now. Sorry.

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@MoI, Talk to me about Vifam please? This is why I feel you aren't working with people. I don't like repeating things. I'd rather be voting Vifam but no one is joining me so I'm trying to find someone else to vote with.

@Creature, Because Majiffy makes a damn good case against you and you are wierd. None of your reads seem coherent and just seem more focused on discrediting those that suspect you rather than sorting town or scum. Plus, you're attacking my townblock which is eww.

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Here's where I am at for the record

Ankamius

- 4

(Ser Arthur Dayne,

Creature,

Spiffeh, Rick and Andrea)

BigYoshiFan

- 2 (

mastina

],

Ankamius)

Creature - 5

(Rem and Ram, Majiffy,

BigYoshiFan,

Titus,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic)

MagnaofIllusion

- 1

(Vecna)

Rem and Ram

- 2 (Gorkington,

Nahdia

)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 1 (

MagnaofIllusion

])
TheRealGin-N-Tonic - 1

(Sakura Hana)

I'm not voting ATM and mastina is voting creature so the VC isn't 100% accurate, but I just grabbed the nearest VC to reflect how I feel on things.

Town

Lighter but probably town

Gun to my head town but I am not sure

Gun to my head/lean scum

Down to Rope, Scum McScumerson

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First of all Titus you need to chill with the “stop ignoring me” crap. I have other games and things outside of MS to get to. I just don’t sit here and wait for every post to respond to.

Yeah, this isn't true, so I'm going to keep reaching out to you to try and show you that I do care even though I am struggling to communicate with you.

We can hash this out another time as it really isn’t game relevant but yeah that has been the impression I have gotten in most of my interactions with you since returning to the site.

That's my concern and you got there without meta.

Talk to me about Vifam?

Sure. Vifam playstyle is to shit-post. I tend to auto-read that as scum for reasons I don’t want to bother with explaining in detail. Part of the reason Fire and I don’t get along. But intellectually I know that’s not going to be the case with most shit-posters. So I have to find other ways to read them. Fire I have playstyle tells that I lean on. With Vifam I don’t have anything in that way so I’m trying to parse how he reacts to pressure on other slots. I’m not enamored of his reaction to the Creature wagon but he’s not selling it as “Attack those players Day 2”.

Am I correct in that your reason for scum reading Vifam is meta? Either way please give me the short and sweet of why you scum read there.

Gamestate mostly. Vifam hasn't made any severe mark on the game at all, which is scum indicative. The gamestate has a stall and needs a kick in the pants.

If you are correct and Creature is town and SAD is scum, it becomes highly unlikely Ankimaus is scum. (SAD wouldn't bus here, nothing in it for him.)

If Creature v Ank is T v T, then where do scum benefit? Shooting from the sidelines.

If Creature is town, Vifam benefits from doing jackshit and not having to bus.

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??? If I'm the scummiest person why isn't your vote on me?

You aren't. Vifam is.

Wanna talk about him? And why I should vote Ank?

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You didn't even color vifam unless it's not showing up on my phone.

Vifam was the sole not voting and I'm literally begging people to talk about Vifam. I think my read there is pretty obvious.

Now, are you going to answer the question or deflect? If your goal is to get me to just put Ank in my not votable out of spite, you're doing an excellent job.

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And I hate the color system can people just do tiers which take less effort to put together and a million times easier to read.

Colors works when combining reads with gamestate. *shrug*

I could redo the list if someone I felt was actually answering questions needed it.

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Anyway do you think a Vifan lynch would happen? Because I def think more than half the playerlist is townreading him.

Again, what is your read on Vifam? I don't care about hearing about how half the thread is caught up in battles to lynch their pet scumread.

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Titus, why Rem and Ram is town? Their push on me is pretty scummy and definitely isn't towny.

I disagree fundamentally with your basic assertion.

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Anyway do you think a Vifan lynch would happen? Because I def think more than half the playerlist is townreading him.

Again, what is your read on Vifam? I don't care about hearing about how half the thread is caught up in battles to lynch their pet scumread.

? This is the first time you've asked me? And Vifam is in my second tier the weak town.

Why?

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Titus, why Rem and Ram is town? Their push on me is pretty scummy and definitely isn't towny.

I disagree fundamentally with your basic assertion.

This isn't town!HS.

I see town!HS engaged actively hunting scum.

HS here is the whole game focused on me, low hanging and once in a blue moon makes shit posts saying things like "three more votes until scum is flipped", no way HS plays like this as town, this is insulting her.

I don't see the focus as scummy and I see HS as hunting scum.

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C: Scum are whiteknighting Creature and praying we turn against ourselves.

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C: Scum are whiteknighting Creature and praying we turn against ourselves.

Highly unlikely because they can just pick off all the loud towns that started the wagon, no?

And if we are a united wall? So what? They're still fucked.

The best way to accomplish survival is to get Creature lynched, say not my fault, and turn the blame on you and Rem/Ram.

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@Majiffy, Why wait until nightfall? The wagon is here now.

VOTE: Creature

@MoI, for what it's worth. I think you are right on SAD but I am not risking Rem Ram over Creature. Keep the block alive.

I'd rather be swinging Vifam.

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What's Creature at?

5!

You gained mastin but lost titus from last VC.

Work harder to recruit 2 more my man.

I am back on Creature.

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Like i dont care how many scummy arguments you pull related to creature's play, he. doesnt. feel. like. scum. he. feels. like. frustrated. town
Meanwhile, you have people strongarming a mislynch AND IT SHOWS as proven by my quote, and know it, but you're ignoring it because, they are the ones giving you the arguments for Creature to begin with.

Actually SAD and Co are strongarming the mislynch by shading obvious RR and just chainsawing. Creature may flip town but I know RR will.

If you want my vote not on Creature, we can still wagon Vifam.

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As i said, i dont really care about your arguments because creature doesnt feel like scum with his posting.
People have pushed very convincing arguments against town me before and it's really saddening when people are driven only by playstyle and not by actual motivation.

I actually think Creature's motivation is pure survival and is not scumhunting.

He is frustrated but that's NAI.

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I actually think Creature's motivation is pure survival and is not scumhunting.

What part of "You can lynch me but lynch R&R tomorrow after i flip town" is survival to you.

Bargaining.

Four stages of lynch grief.

Denial/Dismissiveness of wagon severity.
Anger at those pushing him.
Bargaining to lynch others.
Depression.
Acceptance.

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Sigh, you guys just arguing as if you're the gods of scumhunting and only your arguments count is really tiring.

Yeah, I want to lynch Vifam but I cannot get the votes so I am voting to save RR.

Neither side has a perfect argument.

You want to talk about Vifam?

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>He's playing survival
>He doesnt care about being lynched but wants R&R lynched tomorrow after his townflip
>That's called AtE

This is getting tiring, im starting to think that you have confirmation bias at this point, cant you at least look at it from a town Creature PoV instead of treating him like he's a guilty child? TIA

I am but you're ignoring me.

@SAD shut up with your scum drivel. You want me to stop voting to save RR, bus Vifam. Read my ISO.

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Also as for ANOTHER post you made, i dont think vifam is scum atm, and even if i did, i think lynching vifam would only make D2 a repeat of D1 with this big R&R vs Creature thing.

Then why vote my town read? Because you think your meta read is more important?

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Oh wait new page

I missed a page you people post too fast

I'm repeating this on every page:

TITUS PICK A FUCKING NARRATIVE

AM I SCUM WHITEKNGIHTING THE TOWN CREATURE

OR SCUM PROTECTING A BUDDY

I already answered this as many times as you quote it.

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In what world does Alisae actually think that's a strong enough world to preface it with "In what world"?

In what world is overexaggeration scummy again?
-Ali

Can you two discuss Vifam and get back to me?

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I got real life to do. Peace out.

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C: Scum are whiteknighting Creature and praying we turn against ourselves.

C: Scum are whiteknighting Creature and praying we turn against ourselves.

Highly unlikely because they can just pick off all the loud towns that started the wagon, no?

And if we are a united wall? So what? They're still fucked.

The best way to accomplish survival is to get Creature lynched, say not my fault, and turn the blame on you and Rem/Ram.

@Majiffy, Why wait until nightfall? The wagon is here now.

VOTE: Creature

@MoI, for what it's worth. I think you are right on SAD but I am not risking Rem Ram over Creature. Keep the block alive.

I'd rather be swinging Vifam.

What's Creature at?

5!

You gained mastin but lost titus from last VC.

Work harder to recruit 2 more my man.

I am back on Creature.

Like i dont care how many scummy arguments you pull related to creature's play, he. doesnt. feel. like. scum. he. feels. like. frustrated. town
Meanwhile, you have people strongarming a mislynch AND IT SHOWS as proven by my quote, and know it, but you're ignoring it because, they are the ones giving you the arguments for Creature to begin with.

Actually SAD and Co are strongarming the mislynch by shading obvious RR and just chainsawing. Creature may flip town but I know RR will.

If you want my vote not on Creature, we can still wagon Vifam.

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Just a selection.

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@SAD, Yup. I am pretty damn certain RR is town. I might be wrong on Creature. Creature is a gamestate read.

You could bus Vifam.

Good night all.

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Any decision to not join the Rem and Ram wagon is a direct affront to me.

I affronting. You hating. You trying to fuck with me ridin townie. Ridin townie.

Seriously though, you voting my TR is an affront to me. Ride or die with my TRs.

Can you take the latest wagon and color your reads?

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Everyone who is voting Rem and Ram is town, everyone who isn't is scum. You're either with me or you're against me.

Great, then you're probably scum. Someone town must be against you by the numbers. Your steadfast refusal to realize that you are just pissing off town is annoying at best.

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titus my friend, let me level with you. you are a stubborn chick. that's cool. i can respect that. but i know full well, i'm not gonna be convincing you of ANYTHING. you think Rem and Ram is town. fine. ur wrong, but fine, whatever. I'm not gonna do this song and dance with u though bc i know there's nothing in it for me; u aint joinin' my wagon any time soon.

Sure if you're capable of being reasoned with, we can lynch Vifam rather than me being forced to protect obvtown and hoping my gamestate analysis us wrong.

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Sakura Hana - is that scum read formed from anything other than meta?

She's made several bad posts that I pointed out (admittedly way earlier in the game) and nothing she's done has really changed it

Some of it's meta too

I don't remember town!her ever being this disengaged from the game

Sakura isn't disengaged wtf.

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titus my friend, let me level with you. you are a stubborn chick. that's cool. i can respect that. but i know full well, i'm not gonna be convincing you of ANYTHING. you think Rem and Ram is town. fine. ur wrong, but fine, whatever. I'm not gonna do this song and dance with u though bc i know there's nothing in it for me; u aint joinin' my wagon any time soon.

Sure if you're capable of being reasoned with, we can lynch Vifam rather than me being forced to protect obvtown and hoping my gamestate analysis us wrong.

WTF HAVE YOU DONE TO CONVINCE ANYONE OF VIFAM-SCUM

Try to get a word in edgewise, but you spam to protect him.

You have zero reason to TR him but keep spamming to keep this dichotomy going when I am trying to actually get communication.

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not

Which head is here?

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sorry titus but vifam is one of my strongest townreads.

Based on what?

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it's 100% just taking the opposite stance as you on everything to piss you off. i havent read a single word vifam has said all game. none. definitely not. i just arbitrarily decided that, if you want to lynch vifam, i think theyre town. because im just that kind of person.

...IT'S DAY 1 TITUS, WHAT DO YOU THINK IT'S GONNA BE BASED ON? THEIR POSTING.

What about their posting? Their posting is so far removed from any scumhunting and their behavior if they felt they had scum from what I have seen.

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Never played with him before but I think he's town too

Mastina/Gin/Rem are all ok lynches to me

Gin is your buddy. That would give me sads though.

I <3 theory of three.

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Vifam, assuming RR is town, who is scum? Why aren't you pushing your scumreads?

Nahdia, stop just repeating and spamming and give examples.

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Nahdia, same question, if RR is town, who is scum? You have ignored the rest of the game for awhile.

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Id like to lynch Gin

He is/was easily the scummiest on that wagon

Go ahead and bus.

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Ugh, when I was thinking beeboy was town...

Are you actually waking up?

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Btw, MoI, if I didn't feel that lynching outside R&R/me is bad, I would support you at Vecna.

I actually do. RR is town. My TRs scumread you. I don't want to vote you, but I will to save RR.

Help me out here and dismantle the shit RR wagon.

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SAD, Gin, Vifam, one more scum in play.

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Nahdia, same question, if RR is town, who is scum? You have ignored the rest of the game for awhile.

ignoring that i this that's a stupid question to begin with, i choose to abstain from such questioning such that i do not alienate any my constituents as i campaign for votes on rem and ram.

(I'd probs start with Vecna, mastina, SAD, Gin)

p-edit CREATURE DON'T YOU DARE.

SAD and Gin are both good.

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Spiffeh, can you vote Gin or Vifam or SAD then?

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Gin's Creature vote is so outright opportunistic


"Oh yeah 12 pages in and I already have a scumread on Creature wow this is convenient seeing as there has been a wagon on him building up for days now let me vote there"

Then bus him. We can stop this dumb as bricks RR push, which forces me to vote to save someone I know to be town.

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Titus, your confidence in your reads this early always strikes me as odd. Like I get how I can convince myself I am right about a read and just hammer it in, but you it always feels weird. I am not saying your scum, but I always feel like you are leaving thoughts out when you are pushing someone?

Like Nahdia is doing the same thing your doing pretty much with exception I can follow their reasoning more so. Of course your both tunneling so meh.

I was tunneling on Gin and exaggerating my certainty of the read, but still.

I should just stop posting till this game day ends.
Its mentally exhausting.

~Rick

Great, I am odd. All three of you me and Nahdia agree Gin is scum. Scum are distancing hardcore because they want to lynch within the wall of obvtown. Someone from the Rem wagon has to vote scum to undo this shit storm.

If you felt I left something out, ask. I struggle with basic conversations in this given real life and bronchitis.

[Titus]

Titus I'm starting to lean heavily towards SAD being town

There's two other names, Vifam and Gin.

[Titus]

Ankamius continues to ignore the thread.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sakura, you are a hard TR of mine but I don't think Ank is scummy here.

Please vote Gin. I would join you.

[Titus]

VOTE: Gin

[Titus]

Who is supplying me with a lifetime supply of vodka?

[Titus]

Who is supplying me with a lifetime supply of vodka?

If you split it with me and we do gin instead you got a deal

Ok.

[Titus]

I've been kicked out of my house by my dad. I'll be gone for awhile.

Sorry man that sucks.

[Titus]

Everyone: This thread is too long. Someone else should compromise.
Everyone 2:

Titus: Tries to make it funny and probably fails miserably.

[Titus]

I have too many townreads and Creature is just staring me down like eeeeggghh
-HS

Can you do a color map of how you feel the wagons are?

[Titus]

they'll be too busy sheeping me on R&R

Never going to happen.

[Titus]

Oh cool, SAD was my wrong SR.

Be back later.

[Titus]

VOTE: R&R

VOTE: Nahdia

Hands off tyvm.

[Titus]

How about I just claim so that we don't have to deal with this shit.
Me and HS both decided to do this going into today btw.
We claim watcher inventor.
We gave Spiffeh a watcher D1.
-Ali

If this is confirmed town, then scum heavily bussed Gin at the front.

[Titus]

VOTE: MoI

sure

vote: moi

At least one of these us scum.

[Titus]

VOTE: MoI
SAD's last wish was for MoI to die, oh also he left us some reads in the hood.
tho he wanted us to copy his last tier list im not sure if im allowed to do that imma talk to anti about it first.

Please stop making me drag you.

MoI is town. Sorry.

[Titus]

R&A seemed like the most likely nightkill other than myself

I'm surprised SAD is dead actually

Yeah, no. R and A had detractors. SAD is dead because scum could coast on an MoI wagon that has zero validity. Vifam tried floating MoI last night here basically assuming everything MoI said was true but painting it scummy.

[Titus]

This day shouldn't be rushed

I agree that MoI's posts deteriorated as the day progressed but I think Ank is more likely to flip scum

I can't imagine her treating such similar wagons SO differently if she weren't scum with Gin

Depends on the camp Ank was in and who pushed it. Names matter.

[Titus]

One thing i remember from SAD's last wish post is that R&R/BYF and MoI/Titus
were 2 groups of which there's 1 scum each and he had no idea who the 4th would be but he had a high bet on ank for it.
He thinks is the former on both.
I still need to parse all the info from this day since there's been a lot of posts + R&R's claim.

I prefer to err on the side of caution and not eat a modkill so ill wait for anti's reply before putting up his latest list.

Go ahead and put it up. SAD's still wrong and was a major deterrent yesterday. I have solid TRs on that whole list.

[Titus]

I'm surprised SAD is dead actually

I'm not. He was the obvious choice for a myriad of reasons. Among them, his accuracy.

However, in spite of me saying that, in spite of me saying he was accurate, I'm going to slightly defy his last will. Rem is almost assuredly town. While I

could

lynch MoI today, what I

REALLY

want to do is this:
VOTE: Ankamius.

I'll work on explaining a full list of reasons later.
But suffice to say: Ankamius is one of my top suspects, was one of SAD's top suspects, and there's plenty behind this backing it.

Yeah, still nothing behind it. Just because you say there is, doesn't make it true.

[Titus]

Are you going to post any of those reasons?

Not unless I can't strongarm your lynch through without doing so.

Mastina, fight me. Help me sort you. Like 90+ percent are lock town and I do not have a TR on you.

[Titus]

Why is MoI town

Because obvious failed push by scum yesterday. Scum had access to the hoods when determining who to kill.

For a player that refused to give reads because you might be shot, you are fast to jump on someone else's dead reads.

[Titus]

VOTE: Vifam

For emphasis.

Fire, keep supplying me with vig shots. I will kill this eventually.

[Titus]

What was the failed push? R&R?

MoI, RR

Creature was a whiteknight

[Titus]

I am not 100% sure but good enough for now

[Titus]

I need sleep. I am going to go vca on this tomorrow but yeah I revoke Vecna based on eyeball skim. Nahdia, Vifam, Mastina are good lynches.

[Titus]

VOTE: MoI

Obvious bus is obvious. As people have already stated he never even had a read on the Gin slot for the entire day1 (not even an interaction) and then he comes with that SUPER-FORCED message claiming some nonsensensical reasoning for voting the wagon - WHILE all his scumreads were pushing for that wagon.

Anyone ignoring this, I want to know WHY.

Also Ankamius and Titus reasoning here is dodgy as fuck.

Oh come on. You just are reviving your shitfest from yesterday.

@Gork, based on those posts, 1 of the two of you should be scum. Vifam I have as scum based on a multitude of reasons. I have you at hovering as scum about 25% likely.

[Titus]

Vote Count 1-4

Creature - 2 (Rem and Ram, Majiffy)
Rem and Ram

- 2

(BigYoshiFan,

Creature)
Ser Arthur Dayne

- 6 ([color=

Spiffeh,

MagnaofIllusion, Sakura Hana,

Rick and Andrea,

Voices of Truth,

Gorkington)

Voices of Truth

- 4 (

Nahdia

,

Ser Arthur Dayne

,

beeboy,

Vifam

)

Not Voting:

mastina

,

Ankimaus

,

Vecna

bigyoshifan is v/la until wednesday

17 alive means it's 9 to lynch.
deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-19 00:42:45)

[Titus]

i dont really think i believe ank's "strategy". or at the very least i have absolutely no idea what she was trying to do with it.

and spiff is right that if you look at the magnitude and other aspects of her reaction to the moi/gin wagons, you get more of a feeling of outrage with the former and more of a feeling of hesitance with the latter. former flipped town. difference there probably means something.

Or MoI had shit for reads and hated a lurker push D1. Not even I am so vain as to think every town had to agree with my Gin push away from Creature and RR.

No Vifam is not likely town.

[Titus]

As for having no idea what people are doing, that's most of the thread yesterday. A lot of people engaged in personal tunnels. Scum shot SAD and decided to promote the MoI lynch before I could get on. They betaed the argument in our hood through Vifam (or if Vifam is unlikely town just copied it).

[Titus]

you didnt drive gin. vifam did. stop pretending otherwise.

Really, I FORCED Vifam's play, by highlighting his refusal to bus or interact yet always having Gin as scum. I insisted both Creature and Rem were town. Even though I didn't vote first literally, I was the first practical vote.

[Titus]

like, youre telling me you dont have an ego when you dont even have a proper recollection of d1 and are making it all about yourself.

Not true either. I was a wagon, but I drove it. I don't know whether you are pissed off scum (less likely) or frustrated town not wanting to believe someone who doesn't have you as lock clear lead a scum wagon, but whatever.

I have life. Either defend Vifam with more than your wrong or basically have zero cred with me.

[Titus]

vifam being scum is dumb. they're the ones who derailed the R&R wagon and shifted it to Gin.

My scumread promoting Vifam as derailing the Creature v RR fight. Not a surprise. Plus you implied lynching within SAD's pool (which had RR in it) wpuld be great justice.

You call me town, yet you repeatedly want to ignore and discredit me.

[Titus]

C: Scum are whiteknighting Creature and praying we turn against ourselves.

Fire, feedback on my reads please.

[Titus]

vifam being scum is dumb. they're the ones who derailed the R&R wagon and shifted it to Gin.

My scumread promoting Vifam as derailing the Creature v RR fight. Not a surprise. Plus you implied lynching within SAD's pool (which had RR in it) wpuld be great justice.

You call me town, yet you repeatedly want to ignore and discredit me.

I'm not actively trying to discredit you I just disagree with your read on myself and Vifam in particular.

And you insist on one v one with the watcher.

Who is scum if they are town? Why are you still voting them?

[Titus]

So the entirety of you reason to scum read R&R was on Town reading the beeboy slot?

What no, those two were different. I was justifying my townread on beeboy, not my scumread on R&R. That was based on different stuff.

Assuming RR is town, what do you think of Creature and the Creature wagon?

[Titus]

I don't really see much reason for one read to significantly alter the other at this point. If we were just blind sheeping R&R, Gin would still be alive.

I'm no good with VCA really but I wouldn't presume the Creature wagon had to have scum on it or not. That said, the wagon composition still looks like a mixed bag to me overall.

I want to know what exactly was going on with mastina behind the scenes in her hood wrt that "blackmail" stuff. If nothing else could people in that neighborhood give updated reads on her?

Mastina's an acceptable push to me.

[Titus]

Spoiler: Selected Mastina posts

VOTE: mastina

Fuck you too Gin.

(<3
But seriously. Come back when you realize who you're partnered with. <3)

she would have given me a full page report on the game because she's freaking out someone can read her like a book joined in.

That would require me to have actually read the thread.

My report on the game right now would be:
"...We've had talking. The talking hasn't been productive. We've had LOTS of talking. The talking continues to happen a lot. It also isn't showing signs of being productive. Words have been said. People have reads. Many people have clashing reads. That's about it".

Which I suppose from a certain point of view would be technically true?

mastina - 1 (TheRealGin-N-Tonic)
Rem and Ram - 1 (Gorkington)
Sakura Hana - 1 (Spiffeh)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 1 (MagnaofIllusion)
Vifam - 1 (Titus)
Not Voting: Nahdia
Ankamius - 2 (Ser Arthur Dayne, Creature)
BigYoshiFan - 2 (mastina, Ankamius)
MagnaofIllusion - 2 (Vecna, Vifam)
TheRealGin-N-Tonic - 2 (Sakura Hana, Rick and Andrea)
Creature - 3 (Rem and Ram, Majiffy, BigYoshiFan)

I maintain my stance from before: there's no wagons right now because scum are not being pushed. There's a severe lack of town cohesion--and that's the hallmark of the scum just sitting back and laughing their asses of as town after town gets pressured yet nothing forms on any scum because town are too busy screaming at each other.

In the 2 voters, Creature/Rick are the only ones I have any interest in calling scum. In the 1 voters, MoI/Titus/Nahdia all hold interest as scum candidates. I still maintain that Yoshi is scum, though to be honest if Yoshi is scum that probably means Majiffy's town. (Though not necessarily. Just probably.)

Basically while Creature's possible scum I am not optimistic there.

Majiffy, are we going to get in a VCA discussion this game? It's almost worth lurking to do that.

Probably. We can grab Mastina too if she gets her shit together.

You know what would help me get my shit together?

Not having to read ten new pages every fucking time I come to this thread, so that I have the time to actually read the fucking thread.

But yes, talking VCA would be fine, though honestly I'm releasing a guide really really soon on the subject anyway, so.

She scum reads you dude

Not quite. Majiffy is in the POE pool for scum--but so too is his strongest push, Creature, which would not be a bus.
You're kind-of correct: Majiffy is someone I should be able to tell is town.
I am not able to tell he is town, which is disconcerting. Alarming, even. To the point where a lack of a townread is tempting to call a scumread.
...But, it's been a long time, I could use a refresher, and also, he's not the only player giving me trouble; MOST players in this game I've played with before and yet my reads on them are far weaker than they should be. As in, basically every single player. So he's not really a scumread. He's in the scum pool. He's someone I should have sorted. But I don't. Not yet anyway.

mastina, why do you scum read Jiffy?

I don't, except by virtue of a lack of a townread--on a player like Majiffy, that'd usually be enough.
But in this case I'm giving a huge amount of benefit of the doubt because I think the issue's with me and not with him.
I suppose another alarm bell is that I can't really think of where his reads intersect with mine. The closest we have to any whatsoever is me thinking Creature is potentially scum which he is the main proponent of, but other than that--his reads I recall being vastly different from my own and that's a little troubling.

It never ceases to amaze me how frustrated people get working with mastina

And the people who get frustrated working with me never cease to be amazed at how people are able to work with me.

Holy shit Ankamius is the counterwagon to Creature.

Vote: Creature

.
I actually think Creature should be lynched regardless of whether he's town or scum now.

Gorkington
Rem and Ram
Vifam
Ankamius
Sakura Hana
Vecna
Ser Arthur Dayne
Spiffeh
TheRealGin-N-Tonic
Majiffy
Creature
MagnaofIllusion
Rick and Andrea
Titus
BigYoshiFan
Nahdia

This is about where I am reads-wise right now.

Day 2

I'm surprised SAD is dead actually

I'm not. He was the obvious choice for a myriad of reasons. Among them, his accuracy.

However, in spite of me saying that, in spite of me saying he was accurate, I'm going to slightly defy his last will. Rem is almost assuredly town. While I

could

lynch MoI today, what I

REALLY

want to do is this:
VOTE: Ankamius.

I'll work on explaining a full list of reasons later.
But suffice to say: Ankamius is one of my top suspects, was one of SAD's top suspects, and there's plenty behind this backing it.

Mastina's ISO trajectory is just utter crap this game.
She voted Creature because it was the "counter wagon to Ank".
Ank in her readslist is a major townread.
Day 2 comes knocking and suddenly Ank is a major suspect.
Mastina frequently has a reason to just latch onto wagons, that doesn't have much sense or support. She's phoning this game in. Her biggest scumread, Nahdia. She's had virtually no comment on that. She's had plenty of VCA based analysis, which is shit on Day 1.

[Titus]

Nahdia, are you actually going to engage me on what I said?

This whole working together thing doesn't work well if you don't engage what I am saying.

[Titus]

Titus did fuckall to drive and this is literally her stealing Reasonably Rational's ploy as her own. Like. It's an exact fucking replica, the only difference being that Titus didn't unvote then revote like RR did.

Them's fighting words.

Do you have any comments on why you were blackmailing people.

[Titus]

Id like to lynch Gin

He is/was easily the scummiest on that wagon

Go ahead and bus.

SAD, Gin, Vifam, one more scum in play.

Btw, MoI, if I didn't feel that lynching outside R&R/me is bad, I would support you at Vecna.

I actually do. RR is town. My TRs scumread you. I don't want to vote you, but I will to save RR.

Help me out here and dismantle the shit RR wagon.

Nahdia, same question, if RR is town, who is scum? You have ignored the rest of the game for awhile.

ignoring that i this that's a stupid question to begin with, i choose to abstain from such questioning such that i do not alienate any my constituents as i campaign for votes on rem and ram.

(I'd probs start with Vecna, mastina, SAD, Gin)

p-edit CREATURE DON'T YOU DARE.

SAD and Gin are both good.

Spiffeh, can you vote Gin or Vifam or SAD then?

Gin's Creature vote is so outright opportunistic


"Oh yeah 12 pages in and I already have a scumread on Creature wow this is convenient seeing as there has been a wagon on him building up for days now let me vote there"

Then bus him. We can stop this dumb as bricks RR push, which forces me to vote to save someone I know to be town.

Just a selection here Mastina. Voting Gin was my idea. I rallied the votes. I had Creature v RR as a shit fight.

You blackmailed people to protect Gin and still want dead obvtown.

[Titus]

Can we not do this constant credit game for scum lynches?
I feel like every game this happens and for once I just want nobody to say they were the one who were responsible for the lynch.
Team game guys.

Team game.

~Rick

Yeah, great then be a team player.

I take my credit where I earn it. Part of being on a team is giving credit where its due.

[Titus]

Yeah, great then be a team player.

I take my credit where I earn it. Part of being on a team is giving credit where its due.

No credit needed for you my friend.

You are part of the team, your success is the teams success.
We are all winners.

~Rick

That would be great but for scum and Gin denying reality to ensure we do not lynch scum today.

[Titus]

That would be great but for scum and Gin denying reality to ensure we do not lynch scum today.

What does you getting credit have to do with lynching scum right today?
The credit game is literally only there to feed egos and to clear people who were not likely bussing.

~Rick

PLS Titus can we not do the credit game?
Like I mean it, this won't help the game in anyway.

No. Credit ensures who should lead town and does not lead town.

Lynching scum certainly helps town, but I cannot do it if delusions persist as people need to work together.

[Titus]

im actually thinking titus might be scum again.

i just remembered beeboy's titusread after he pushed her a bunch:

Voices of Truth - I don't like how the TB slot is literally MIA but seeing Titus under pressure is making me think she is town and she has dropped the entire buddying thing.

kind of feel like the push there was supposed to be showy distancing and the subsequent change in focus happened as soon as titus wasnt in the spotlight anymore.

theres also that titus doesnt react a single time to one of beeboy's posts calling her scum.
i really think thats just kind of out of character for how she tends to react to being pushed.
she just kind of calls him scum over and over and over again with no reasoning there.

This is why the credit game is important.

[Titus]

alright well i guess now we just gotta wait intently for this decisive evidence on Ankamius that mastina has for us.

my lynchpool for today atm is
{Vecna, Ankamius, BigYoshiFan}

@Titus please girl, shut the hell up about the credit thing. no one gives a flying fuck.

Yeah, you claim you want to work together, but this lynch pool is all town. You claim you SR mastina, but not in lynchpool.

[Titus]

Titus you know the credit game is going to lead to town apathy, your not helping if you think you are.

No. What leads to apathy is pages and pages of pointless shit fights with obvious town wagons on D1 like Creature v RR.

[Titus]

honestly would not be surprised if town apathy was the goal with this.

p-edit: lmao ank is in your townpool?

Yup. If you were reading my posts, you would know my read on every slot in the game.

MoI v Ank is Creature v RR round 2.

[Titus]

It's as if you're not starting a shitfight that could last pages and pages.
Oh wait, that's what you're doing.

No that's Snk v MoI, which I am ending.

[Titus]

literally just pointed out some stuff i thought was town from mastina so maybe you want to work with me and tell me what your thoughts on the things i point out are or..

Which posts?

[Titus]

Titus idk fam your scumreads are what, Vifam mastina and myself? I mean disregarding the obvious problem I have with that, let's talk Vifam. If you wanna play the credit game so bad, surely you haveto admit that Vifam was a driving force behind the Gin lynch and was even the one that actually started it and stepped off the R&R wagon first.

literally just pointed out some stuff i thought was town from mastina so maybe you want to work with me and tell me what your thoughts on the things i point out are or..

Which posts?

3794

Vifam bussed only after I called his shit out.

[Titus]

Yup. If you were reading my posts, you would know my read on every slot in the game.

idk maybe you could actually put reasoning behind your reads.
instead of just saying "this person is scum"
or "this wagon is bad"
or "this person is scum because this wagon is bad"
because thats literally the only thing ive seen you do this game.

Well ltr. I cased mastina and she replied with some pretty ridiculous stuff (like I assumed my hood was all town but had zero problem blackmailing them).

I am going to step out because I am very pissed at you.

[Titus]

Vote mastina, nahdia, or vifam

[Titus]

ive played lots of games with titus and still only ever seeen her reads be god awful, so i'm starting to think it might be a trend.

hi rem & ram it's me ur bestest pal here to keep u company what's cookin'

You and I both know this is a lie.

[Titus]

I also thought Titus was fairly Town yesterday and don’t think she’s bother trying to derail my wagon today if she was scum. My mislynch is a gift for her if she is scum and no reason for her to expend energy fighting it as strenuously.

White knighting a mislynch (the stronger the player, the better! And also, the stronger the wagon momentum, the better), while not actually making much effort to stop it, is Titus's scum MO.

Look at what she's actually doing to fight your wagon.
She's saying you're town. She's giving weak reasons for it. She's not actually trying to stop your wagon, and she's providing no viable alternative.

Fucking lies. I explained how and why MoI is up forynch, why scum shot Gin to get it done and that's in spite of the only "case" being MoI spoke out against a Gin wagon.

[Titus]

VOTE: Mastina

I will support you here Ank.

[Titus]

Voting Gin was my idea. I rallied the votes. I had Creature v RR as a shit fight.

If you were town you would have been on the Gin wagon much sooner than you joined. You were pursuing largely useless wagons prior to that point. Like dead fucking serious, this is deja vu.

From first vote to mine, it was 30 minutes tops and the wagon happened because I insisted on a new wagon.

I was pushing useless wagons? Really? No. Unpopular, sure. Not useless.

You have been useless.

Your repeated attempts to confuse this game with SU2 when you are closer to SirCakez is rich.

I created a plan that got us every scum but RR because he had a role that PoEd scum and stole his role.

[Titus]

Yeah, Gork is town now. Mastina is buddying hard core. Gork to lock town.

[Titus]

Do

you

feel Gin had content?

[Titus]

Gins ISO actually says a lot about Mastin imo.

Yeah but the funny thing about that is I don't need to get a read on mastina, now, do I?

I need to get reads on the ENTIRE FUCKING REST of the playerlist, and Gin's iso there is pretty empty, no?

Dare you to say I'm wrong there, that Gin's iso provides valuable insight into a non-mastina player. Because the whole fucking issue I had was that Gin hadn't given ME anything useful. And that's fucking true, period, no matter what.

Beeboy has a lot of content, including an uberhard push on me.

[Titus]

A certain comment(s) venting on another player(s)

i wonder who it could be.
(':

Actually not you. I usually don't vent on specific town.

[Titus]

@Titus – Just stop on the credit thing. You aren’t getting lynched today so it really doesn’t matter. Just push on another scum.
--

Mastina, Vifam or Nahdia, which should I push?

[Titus]

Titus why are you trying to break my townblock up I have solid tr's I thought you liked town blocks
~Andrea

I have solid townblock too. A solid townblock isn't just listing players, it's those players also townreading each other too.

[Titus]

Titus why are you scumreading me

Because you keep attacking town in opportunistic as fuck manner, the push on Ank, MoI. The defenses of Mastina. The absolute defenses of you when you basically were the most obvious busser.

Go ahead and vote me Gork.[/spoiler]

[Titus]

Yes an how loud were they about their reads

Not very

You can read beeboy's ISO. He was clear, just not a high volume poster.

[Titus]

Im here wondering how can anyone be scumreading vifam.

No one should TR Vifam. Each and every move he does is copied.

[Titus]

inside the mind of vifam:
"if i dont create this wagon on gin like titus said i should, im going to be completely fucked."

Yup.

[Titus]

I think im gonna start counting how many times ank ignores my questions while complaining about me ignoring her non existant questions.

I haven't seen either of you ignore anything. I would direct you both at this point as I am very annoyed at the T v T.

[Titus]

Hey, can you both do me a solid for my birthday and not go after my green town reads for 24 hours?

All I am hearing from you both is.

Mommmmm, they didn't answer my question where I called them scum!!!! Vote them or I won't do my homewoek.

[Titus]

Hey, can you both do me a solid for my birthday and not go after my green town reads for 24 hours?

All I am hearing from you both is.

Mommmmm, they didn't answer my question where I called them scum!!!! Vote them or I won't do my homewoek.

Sakura, Ank, this is at you.

[Titus]

Hey, can you both do me a solid for my birthday and not go after my green town reads for 24 hours?

All I am hearing from you both is.

Mommmmm, they didn't answer my question where I called them scum!!!! Vote them or I won't do my homewoek.

Sakura, Ank, this is at you.

I think I've done enough to show that Mastina's full of shit.

Yes, but attacking Sakura detracts from that message and only serves to annoy town. Mastina Nahdia and Vifam are basically sheeping whatever they can get away with. If you get lynched, you won't have a vote to help lynch scum with.

Mastina was outright lying about Gin and beeboy not having content but you spammed it out with this stupid shit war.

So just hold your nose and pretend Sakura's town for my birthday k?

[Titus]

Like im literally here giving you space to change my mind, tell me WHY am i supposed to be townreading you given all these circumstances, because i dont see it.

No because you're basically plugging your nose because you don't want to be ignored. I have been trying to actually get you to vote scum today and yesterday and its like pulling teeth.

Can you suspend disbelief for 24 hours or will Ankimaus be your new Wake?

[Titus]

Like im literally here giving you space to change my mind, tell me WHY am i supposed to be townreading you given all these circumstances, because i dont see it.

No because you're basically plugging your nose because you don't want to be ignored. I have been trying to actually get you to vote scum today and yesterday and its like pulling teeth.

Can you suspend disbelief for 24 hours or will Ankimaus be your new Wake?

As far as im aware what im seeing is someone making up BS and at the same time saying that "i'm supposed to be able to sort her with ungodly ability", if Ank is actually town and really thinks that, well sorry to dissapoint, tho i guess i bring dissapointment wherever i go anyway.
And then when im happy i finally scumread someone correctly and got them lynched as always someone has to shit on it....


Maybe i should just dissapear from the internet tbh.

Nah, just unvote, take a day. Reboot.

You have an innate desire to be liked. I have an innate desire to be right. Everyone has a weakness. No one is perfect.

Yet, if you're arguing for pages on end where a wagon is already there and only talking to your SR, just chill.

I do live seeing you here. That doesn't mean I can ignore anti-town drama. You believe Ank is scum but you are not presenting this in a manner that can be followed.

[Titus]

What im seeing here is that you're basically proving my point from back of Day 1, of why i didnt want to put effort.

Which point?

@Andrea, Thank you.

[Titus]

Like seriously is like i cant ever be happy for a single second...
When in my mind im like "YES I FINALLY GOT BEE FOR THAT GAME ON OSU!" "I finally managed to catch scum on my own"
And then ppl here are like "boo you did nothing" "no that wasnt genuine".

How am i even supposed to feel?
Like no matter what i ever do, it's like i cant ever do something right, nor something that make ppl go like "oh good that sakura's here she'll catch us all the scum".

I dont even know why i even bother playing mafia tbh.

You actually did catch beeboy but we just didn't get a wagon on him until the end. I fully intended to talk to Ank about this tomorrow when he calmed down. He wasn't going to be receptive, so anything I said good about the other would be viewed as taking sides when my position is you are both obvious fucking town.

I don't want you in a place where you feel validated only if I agree with you. That's not a good place for a dialogue.

[Titus]

I don't want you in a place where you feel validated only if I agree with you. That's not a good place for a dialogue.

I never said or implied that, and if that's what you got from my posts then im sorry that's not what i intended.

Yeah, that is how I feel about your posts or anyone who engages in two plus pages of back and forth.

I am sorry if you felt belitted by me asking you to take a step back and reset for 24 hours. I do view you as an integral part of my town block, which is why I am frustrated. I feel you are reminding me of Gundam Seed so hard but replace Wake with Ank.

I am going to be out for my birthday probably. If you'd like me to deeply reflect on things, ok. List them and where you felt I went wrong. (Kinda like me saying you remind me of Gundam Seed). Just saying I am wrong and it's obvious doesn't help me solve the game. I am open to taking that from you as well. You and Rem are my biggest TRs and always have been. I want to give you what you need to solve the game without hindering everyone else.

[Titus]

Like seriously is like i cant ever be happy for a single second...
When in my mind im like "YES I FINALLY GOT BEE FOR THAT GAME ON OSU!" "I finally managed to catch scum on my own"
And then ppl here are like "boo you did nothing" "no that wasnt genuine".

How am i even supposed to feel?
Like no matter what i ever do, it's like i cant ever do something right, nor something that make ppl go like "oh good that sakura's here she'll catch us all the scum".

I dont even know why i even bother playing mafia tbh.

You actually did catch beeboy but we just didn't get a wagon on him until the end. I fully intended to talk to Ank about this tomorrow when he calmed down. He wasn't going to be receptive, so anything I said good about the other would be viewed as taking sides when my position is you are both obvious fucking town.

I don't want you in a place where you feel validated only if I agree with you. That's not a good place for a dialogue.

cough
pronouns

Sorry for some reason I thought of you as a he. Not an excuse.

I am smacked.

[Titus]

Gork, Vifam, Vecna, Creature scum

Ok literally none of these people are even close to getting lynched and you're currently voting Ank

So ???

What's right is not alwats popular. What's popular is not always right.

[Titus]

Like Ankamius who flat out ignored my reach out?

I give up.

Will you sheep my reads after Ank flips town or are my reads worthless to you?

[Titus]

Intent to hammer

This has a zero percent chance of flipping scum but no one will treat me like my opinion has value anyway. So might as well go to night with evidence you are wrong rather than spam.

[Titus]

Intent to hammer

This has a zero percent chance of flipping scum but no one will treat me like my opinion has value anyway. So might as well go to night with evidence you are wrong rather than spam.

Titus pls just go celebrate your birthday.
Don't let this stupid game drag you down.

This isn't necessary.

-Rick

Yeah it is. The thread has decided incorrectly based off scum discredits. The other option is we sit here and wait for precisely no one to change their minds.

Sakura townreads me and I TR her but she cannot divorce herself from her reads for my sake, how can I expect people outside my townblock to?

[Titus]

I dunno what were you even expecting to happen?
For me to raise my hands in the air and go "Here enjoy your mislynch ank" or something?

Reset for one day. At least pretend my reads had an ounce of validity.

[Titus]

I dunno what were you even expecting to happen?
For me to raise my hands in the air and go "Here enjoy your mislynch ank" or something?

Reset for one day. At least pretend my reads had an ounce of validity.

It's kinda hard to do that.
Look at it this way, there's this scummy scumbutt pushing all this BS about me, and in the case im wrong im probably going to die next, and if they somehow flip it around to me, my townflip will make them die next, there's no stopping this train. And at this point, i dont even care, if he's actually town, he deserves to die for reading me wrong and pushing BS statements about me.
Any sort of hope of ever working together and seeing her as town vanished when she decided to ignore my reach out and continue pushing BS.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You have a hood for last reads.

Being wrong doesn't mean she's lying.

People KNOW Mastina lied about Beeboy/Gin not having content. It didn't take pages. People knew it immediately because it was false. Yet, it's never going to take in this. Vifam has even less of a l

As long as the pages of back and forth of bickering continue, whether it's you/Ank, Jiffy/Creature, whomever/MoI, this game will not progress.

By not even trying, it shows right where I am.

I can relate to Jiffy's near total apathy because I am in the same place. I spent all of d1 trying to stop this my way or the highway shit and found a lynch so good scum could not stop it.

Then what? I get ridiculed and everyone tries to go back to d1 again pushing shit drama wagons. Can't even take 1 day to pretend to work with townreads.

[Titus]

Can someone put a universal hood list? Thank you in advance.

[Titus]

Creature - 4 (Rem and Ram, Majiffy, BigYoshiFan, mastina)
Rem and Ram - 2 (Nahdia, Gorkington)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 1 (Ankamius)
TheRealGin-N-Tonic - 9 (Vifam, Spiffeh, Rick and Andrea, Sakura Hana, Titus, Vecna, MagnaofIllusion, Creature, Ser Arthur Dayne)

[Titus]

Titus, what are you thinking?

I want to look at neighborhood voting patterns. The entire hood, minus Mastina, voted for Gin even with Mastina's claim. Makes me think scum really wanted that rolecop or thought there was a way to save Gin. Vecna's vote is puzzling in that light.

[Titus]

In the morning I will go into detail if not clear. Basically, wuth mastina's push to give Gin a rolecop, scum would not bus Gin unless they felt there was no shot to save him. That makes me do a double take on Vecna's vote Gin or we don't lynch him today push.

[Titus]

Antihero would NOT make a watch-immune goon with a scum watcher-inventor. He simply wouldn't. Antihero hates moderator shenanigans; that EASILY qualifies as a moderator shenanigan

im honestly kind of surprised that spiff didnt think of this when he said r&r shouldnt be given a pass.

Mod meta is crap. It is theoretically possible for RR to be scum, just not likely.

@Mastina, I see your walls. I'll either reply momentarily or in a few hours.

[Titus]

@Mastina, short version. I am not discussing my scumreads with you when you attempt to tell me who is acceptable and who isn't.

There's zero way of knowing if Gin is scum's strongest power role. It's a blanket assertion you make. The blackmail plan convienently lets you change your target from Gin to a scumfuck that survives as everyone knows that a dead player cannot use a rolecop.

If Gin is dead anyway, the play absolutely makes sense. Vecna figures out if Gin is a dead man walking. You target accordingly.

The biggest plothole is a Vecna Vifam Nahdia mastina team means someone's gotta be a townbeard.

VOTE: Vecna

Mastina, unless you get a Nahdia wagon going, I am not voting in your lynch pool. Sorry.

[Titus]

Ankamius - 7 (Spiffeh, Rem and Ram, Gorkington, mastina, Sakura Hana, Rick and Andrea, Majiffy)
MagnaofIllusion - 4 (Vifam, Creature, BigYoshiFan, Vecna)
mastina - 2 (Ankamius, Titus)
Vecna - 2 (MagnaofIllusion, Nahdia)

Good fucking god, you literally couldn't ask for a better wagon composition on Ankamius.
...Okay maybe you could, by having one of Vifam/Creature be on it too. Maybe Vecna. Having a lynch with those names would be amazing, because it would be all town, likely on the scum's other PR.

You know full well Mathblade in SU2 was lynvhed with an all town wagon. Plus your sheep vote is crap.

Vecna is in the scumsheep/bus spot on the MoI wagon.

Vecna promised his day 2 play would be better. It ain't.

[Titus]

Bonus, Vecna TRed your slot as kuror when it was useless to go after a known flaker.

[Titus]

Marquis sheeped anti-Titus sentiment. You jumped onto an RR wagon and held onto it in the face of the watcher claim. I see you as floating around for popular wagons on town. Nothing on RR you said was strongly original other than your misplaced confidence.

Do you care to engage my thoughts on Vecna/mastina or be pissed at me?

[Titus]

You jumped on sheeping anti-RR sentiment in the thread. Sheeping can still be done by the first voter on a wagon. You were "bored" as your reason.

Now, are you going to engage what I said about Vecna and mastina possibly being teamed?

[Titus]

I WAS THE R&R WAGON, FUCKO. I RALLIED THE VOTES. I FORCED THE ISSUE. I WASN'T A SHEEP I WAS A SHEPARD YOU DENSE FUCKING COW.

Yeah, this attitude is not convincing me you are the townbeard but pissed at me for voting scum.

[Titus]

I am perfectly willing to engage you but if you're not willing to have a discussion based in reason back... *shrug*.

I am scumreading you for only doing popular wagons and holding onto them far too long. Is it possible prideful town? Sure. But prideful town would relish showing me where my theory is wrong.

[Titus]

Sakura

– so Ank asks you to show posts where you were scum-reading him and you come up with 4043 as a response where you were Null reading him?

Spiffeh

– I’ll get to your posts in another post shortly …

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VOTE: Vecna

VOTE: Vecna

VOTE: Vecna

Rem and Ram

– Ali head should be joining us on this wonderful wagon for Vecna’s “Look I’ll be super cheeky scummy and everyone will assume I am Town LOLOLOL” post below ..

Maybe I should do the 12-hour and then my vote is gone thing again.

--

I honestly don't know if I can read the dude.

Neither of you seem to be able to Fire. Neither of your heads can I ever recall correctly reading me (this is in Town games of course). Maria I know is 0/2 (Walking Dead and Thing). Your record is more varied but I don’t ever recall seeing you Town read me as Town. I know you’ve participated in mislynches on Town me often (Beeboy’s Fire and Ice Mafia and Walking Dead come to mind) and were Town reading me in Thing. If you know a game I’m missing let me know.

--

Sakura and I have a lot of history.

I don't see her acting like this towards me as town. It doesn't happen.

Creature has floated this same argument against Rem and Ram and we now know it was invalid. So why do you think we should be taking it any more seriously in your case.

If you want a serious examination of Sakura scum make an actual case …

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MoI/Ank/Majiffy are my scumreads

So you are convinced that the only viable wagons up until recently are both on scum (myself and Ank) and think Majiffy is scum who spent every minute of yesterday desperately trying to lynch Town Creature?

Titus

- talk to me again a little more on your Vifam read again. Because I’ve been letting him slide on being generally weak as Town and seeing posts like the above which just serves to take uncontroversial positions is making me want to dig deeper into your thoughts on Vifam.

Majiffy being upset after we lynched scum D1 because we didn't lynch Creature is so childish

The lack of outrage about mastin doing the exact same things I find interesting …

--

If I wanted to dismantle it I wouldve just gone /unvote "I want to hear from this slot first". But I wanted it lynched instead. You dont achieve that if people stop caring about the wagon because someone has gone for a long vla so urgency was needed. It worked and it forced your hand.

This response is lol-worthy. You staged yourself to have a “principled stance” (which would have been bullshit but that is beside the point) to unvote and not return to bussing Gin. And presented it in a way that was tactically presented to make everyone Town second guess pushing the wagon through. The fact that Spiffeh and Mastin now are saying that blackmail was going on it their PT to stop the wagon only strengthens this a scum-tactic. Good Town players want to avoid needless hammering without a claim if they have any doubts about the wagon. With both you and mastin working hard to undermine the wagon you probably had every hope you would save your Watch-proof partner. Too bad for you I saw through your scum motivated play and pushed forward.

Or.....a nice wifom defence for you

It’s almost as if you were scum who banked on this line of attack … oh wait you are.

Town:
Gorkington
Rem and Ram
Sakura Hana
Rick and Andrea
Vifam
mastina
Vecna

Most likely town:
Creature

Group of vague Null / scumleans
Titus
Majiffy
BigYoshiFan
Spiffeh
Nahdia

Scum
Ankamius
MagnaofIllusion

So this is nice because it can be mined for where he is slotting his two partners.

One probably is in the “Vague Null / Scumreads” set and probably someone he hasn’t really addressed much like Yoshi or Spiffeh.

The other is almost certainly up in his Town list. Vifam and Sakura look like the best candidates in that group unless one of my top Town reads has me snowed.

I got four scumreads for three slots and a couple more possible. I want to narrow down. Nahdia and Vifam I SR for the same reason.

Thoughts on Mastina/Vecna link?

[Titus]

GOD YOU'RE DENSE.

ONLY DOING POPULAR WAGONS. RIGHT. THAT'S WHY I VOTED BETWEEN ANKAMIUS AND MOI TODAY.

OH WAIT, NO I DIDN'T, I VOTED THE PERSON

YOU'RE VOTING RIGHT GOD DAMN NOW.

Can you stop yelling and vote Vecna if you think he's scum? Yelling you're wrong doesn't work on me 90% of the time and that's if I TR a slot.

[Titus]

What I'm seeing from mastina's analysis is that bussing Gin sounds like a damn good way to get enough towncred to coast for a while.

...doesn't that fit my conclusion before that scum are likely coasting today?

MoI: I'm not scumreading Sakura anymore.

Small miracles happen.

[Titus]

I'M ALREADY VOTING VECNA, DINGDONG.

Then for fuck's sake discrediting me will not help him be lynched. Cool it and fight me tomorrow.

[Titus]

I'M ALREADY VOTING VECNA, DINGDONG.

Then for fuck's sake discrediting me will not help him be lynched. Cool it and fight me tomorrow.

[Titus]

Ok, then "discredit" me by showing where I am wrong on mastina.

[Titus]

Yay mastina is town

Why?

[Titus]

Yeah, mastina has you in her acceptable lynch pool today.

What reasons do you feel are ok for sring you? I pick those. :-p

[Titus]

hi I don't like this Vecna wagon

I have a few hours of driving ahead of me.

Why don't you?

Who do you like wagoning?

[Titus]

mastina has me in her scumpool via meta-analysis, but she's been saying i'm likely town today if you actually read her posts.

Yeah that right there is you observing mastina talking out of both sides of her mouth or you are. If she viewed you were town, she would not have you in her pool.

[Titus]

Nah, it's telling me plenty.

Why would town Nahdia blow a gasket when I vote their scumread?

[Titus]

I am starting to think Vifam is the townbeard. Vifam's ISO had some suspicion of Vecna but there is the whole FoS scum, vote town thing.

[Titus]

And then titus wonders why i have a hard time working with her...

?

[Titus]

Hey, can we not harass Spiffeh for not autoclearing someone? Been there. Felt that.

@Spiffeh, will case Vecna later.

[Titus]

yeah thats my goal here.
i want to harass him.

I didn't say it was but that's your doing.

[Titus]

*you're

[Titus]

if i was townreading spiff more at this point then sure.
but im not.

i dont see why i should have to play with kid gloves with spiff.
if hes scum then he deserves to be harassed in the face.
if hes town then he can handle it.

No one said kid gloves. Just get something beyond RR might theoretically be scum.

What is your Vecna read?

[Titus]

i havent seen anything particularly compelling about him being scum.

his vote on gin was weird.

why should i be scumreading him.
because im assuming thats the point of this question.

I will case him later. My three biggest concerns

1) Vecna promised me better day 2, nothing to show.

2) Vecna's vote serves a mastin scum rolecop well.

3) Vecna is hyper agreeable and lacks memorable pushes.

[Titus]

VOTE: Steven Quartz

This vote stays until a fuck is given by this slot

Reasons why Vecna is a hyper agreeable sheep

1) Fake early game - Displayed by Vifam 842
2) Doesn't place a vote until his Steven Quartz vote (now Ank). He says that he is voting until that slot gives a crap.
3) I vote Steven Quartz and Vecna forgets about his push. I was a wagon choice at the time.
4) Votes MoI for pushing him.
5) Votes beeboy saying he feels better this time.
6) Votes MoI for trying to take a hyena out of a bear. Vecna is objecting to MoI voting me.
7) Then he plays peacemaker to "settle" on VoT, again just trying to find his way to popular wagons. His push on quartz is forgotten and he trs kuror0, which also did nothing.
8) He alludes to Creature panicking, has zero followthrough but later has Creature as town when the wagon stalls.
9)3601 is a doozy of a readwall. Vecna has zero interaction with Ank/Quartz and claimed to want some. He never pursues it. Ank is still lower than mastina. Vecna just told mastina to stop writing dry walls, a sentiment shared by the thread.
9) Vecna offers Ank a truce, not based on content but based on getting Ank to vote MoI.
10) Vecna immediately votes Ank when it is popular to save his own hide.

Bonus: He calls me "dillusional" as if I am town. I am scum to him in the next post. His reads try to fit popular reads or those scumreading him as partners. He paints me as merely pushing him for being 4th on the MoI wagon. No.

This is for Gork, an expansion of Vecna always voting where popular. Spiffeh, if you care about my other two points, let me know.

[Titus]

Keep twisting my words boy. Fascinating how youre suddenly completely subscribing to Titus logic that im scum by association with Mastina. Yet you fail to see the obvious error in that way that if were coordinating to stop the lynch, then why did I not just simply unvote for more time?

I DIDNT NEED TO PUT MYSELF IN THE SPOTLIGHTS BY DOING THE DEADLINE THING.

Speaking of twisting of words - my response never says "I agree with Titus that Mastin is scum". Never happened. What I did say? That your "oh god hammer without a claim or I'm totally not voting there today" was specifically designed to get Town who don't know Gin's alignment (aka not you) to second guess the wagon. And that it worked in conjunction with mastin's PT blackmail (which Gin likely told you about, of course) as another lever to let Gin lurk out the lynch.

And the bolded is the same sort of WIFOM defense you just dinged me on. Funny how it is scummy coming from me but Town coming from you, huh?

You still havent adressed why I wouldnt just unvote if - as you claim - I actually wanted to let Gin live. Thats because you know its nonsense and I wanted him hammered. Why the shit would I do some dumbass wifom if I wanted him alive? There was the easiest opportunity to just unvote if I was scum.

There was only one way to get the slot lynched in quick manner, and I achieved that. Youre the one that actually slipped knowledge of the allignment, not me. Plenty of people saw it. Why theyre suddenly ignoring it now, I have no idea.

But hey, im pretty much done arguing. Ive played my part in getting scum lynched, and after my flip theres no way youre gonna escape the noose regardless.

You wanted to know if Gin could live. Most town retreat from claims without hammers so you tested the waters because mastina wanted to give Gin the rolecop over Sakura and SaD.

[Titus]

Spiffeh, you asked me for my reasons on SRing Vecna, but I haven't got a reply.

[Titus]

So... who would oppose to me hammering right now?

The fact people let this shit slide is frankly despicable because more blatant scumposting, you'll never find.

Nah, I asked him to do that.

My hood has checked out entirely.

We need a lynch. We need it to be on scum. Sorry for you.

[Titus]

I don't care how bad that logic is.

ive seen mastin nail an entire scumteam too.
just because her playstyle can be frustrating [and believe me, i get it.]
doesnt mean that you should derail your play this game because youre frustrated with her.

i am frustrated but i legit think because she is tunneling ank that means he is town.
like all i have seen her do is death tunnel town.

like do you not think i should reconsider based on how other people act around lynches?

~Rick

Firebringer, talk to me about my Vecna read?

[Titus]

Me and HS are very apathedic about this game I'm sorry ;~;
Is there anything anyone wants to talk to me about?
-Ali

Nah, just be your bad self.

Vecna needs rope.

[Titus]

Firebringer, talk to me about my Vecna read?

what do you want to talk about?
he was in my scum/null pile before i dropped off this game.

~Rick

I want you to actually engage me. Once I get one or two wrong reads out, I tend to be pretty good but I want you to check me on that.

[Titus]

Titus, because certain posts of yours rub me the right way.
Rick and Andrea, really because of Maria who knows when I'm town and admitted it pretty quickly. I think a scum Maria wouldn't be keeping me as a top TR despite me being quite inactive, as it could leave them quite open for questioning.
Majiffy, because I agreed on their push for Creature and I've just gained a townie impression from him through his push for Creature and at his agitation at others.
Rem and Ram, essentially for their claim.

What about Titus? Who rubs you wrong way making you townread her?
You townread us because Maria called you town in like the first 20 pages? Okay.....thats long ago.
So you townread majiffy for his push on creature, do you like his other reads at all or just think his push on creature was best thing?

Rem and Ram is a easy simple read.

~Rick

I'm a genie in a thread baby. Gotta post in the right way honey.

Come. Come on it. Let me post.

[Titus]

Titus why are you trying to break my townblock up I have solid tr's I thought you liked town blocks
~Andrea

I have solid townblock too. A solid townblock isn't just listing players, it's those players also townreading each other too.

[Titus]

Titus is town. The way I've explained it is the best way I can. If you dislike it, too bad.

Its not even an explanation.....
"because certain posts of yours rub me the wrong way" <---who is this referring to that makes you townread Titus?
as in who is the "yours"

why does "yours" posts make you by proxy think Titus is town?

How is this hard?

~Rick

That's what a lot of boys said after seeing Xtina for the first time.