In post 4299, Nahdia wrote:But the bottom line is, it relies on two things: 1) Scum is heavily communicating/coordinating their efforts
2) Scum will act how YOU believe it optimally for them to act
Okay.
Exercise.
Name a scumteam which
wouldn't
both:
-Communicate/coordinate efforts
-Behave the way I describe.
Think of the players in this game.
MagnaofIllusion coordinates INCREDIBLY well with his scum partners. He's also not a moron. He knows the value of Gin's role, especially when Gin was being boosted by MY role. He also is fully capable of knowing when a scumbuddy is going down, and whether it is viable or not to save them, and what the best time to gain town credit for a lynch on a scumbuddy is. (This last point is actually something which makes me think he's not scum--if he were scum, he'd KNOW his hop-on at the last minute would give zero towncred and be seen as scum bussing; if he were scum, I would expect him to know to stay off the wagon.)
Gorkington coordinates INCREDIBLY well with his scum partners. He, too, is not a moron. He knows the value of Gin's role especially boosted by my role, knows when a scumbuddy is going down, and if it is viable to save them. (Not very relevant though, since Gorkington is hands-down town, butstill.)
Spiffeh coordinates reasonably well with his scum partners. He was also more in the fucking know than any other player in the game, thanks to being in my neighborhood. He knew, unlike players outside my neighborhood, that I wasn't a viable mislynch. There was going to be no reward for the Gin lynch (aside from potentially cheap towncred), and there was incredible risk, namely, that Gin was that super-fucking-strong role which was boosted by my own role. While he can and does bus scumbuddies, he doesn't do so carelessly; he makes sure that the bus is okay. (See also: coordinates reasonably well with scum partners.)
Rem/Ram I admit to lacking experience with--but again, I can and will treat them as conftown because Antihero HATES cutesy shit, he HATES moderator shenanigans, and he wouldn't fucking dare do the ONE thing which pisses him off. (He doesn't approve of things such as, say, scum-scum neighbors. Same basic concept here; he would not fucking approve of a watch-immune goon with a scum watcher-inventor. That defeats the whole fucking purpose of the game and he KNOWS it would.) So they can't be on any scumteam ANYWAY meaning that even if they were someone who wouldn't act the way I describe, they can't qualify regardless.
Admittedly it's been a long time since I've played with Sakura, but from what I can recall, Sakura too communicates with scumbuddies, and does so even more frequently than Sakura posts in-thread. (Memory tells me Sakura is a VERY prominent poster in scum PTs, to the point where Sakura could post fifty times in a scum PT yet be lurking in the main thread.) Sakura, too, like Spiffeh, was in the know, and knew that there was no reward for the Gin lynch and incredible risk, namely losing the strong scum role boosted even further by mine.
Rick/Andrea, I'll leave to your judgement, since my own Firebringer experience is flawed and my MariaR experience is nonexistent. Were it my call, I'd admit that Rick would be the first player in the playerlist who could feasibly fit the profile of NOT communicating/coordinating with scumbuddies, and who definitely doesn't match my pattern of behavior. But that's one possible name on the entire fucking list of players thusfar. I do have a non-meta townread on the slot, backed by me REALLY wanting to trust SAD having Rick as one of his strongest townreads (well, it was really Andrea he townread butstill), so there's that throwing doubt onto whether Rick could be scum.
Vifam, second player, since I lack the game experience with Vifam as scum to know how well Vifam coordinates with scumbuddies, yet alone, how Vifam operates. I can tell you I have a Vifam townread separate of this, of course. Off of the game without meta, I think Vifam is town. But without knowing how Vifam operates as scum, I'll concede it's possible for Vifam to be scum here.
Vecna, third player, since I also lack the game experience with him as scum to know how he plays with them, or how he operates. I also have him as a townread, not as strongly as Vifam, but still existing separate of meta. So I suppose if you think that the scumteam's Rick-Vifam-Vecna, you could plausibly see them not acting in the way I have outlined, but if you really think that's the scumteam...lol? That's about all I can think of to say.
Titus is a fucking QUEEN of coordinating with her scumbuddies. It's literally her fucking specialty. She communicates with them, she prods them, she pokes them, she tells them where to go, what to do, and so on and so forth. She works with them every step of the way. She is also one of the strongest proponents of not bussing, BUT, she can and will break this established meta at specific strategic times especially when she knows she is being expected not to bus. She'd also know the full fucking strength of Gin's role and the rolecop on top of that. (This is actually the closest to a reason why she could be town, and is again why I am NOT lynching from the Gin wagon until we hit a second scum off the wagon.)
Majiffy is a fucking KING of coordinating with his scumbuddies. You might not think he is. But he is a goddamned POWERHOUSE scum player. There's a reason I trusted him to lead the scum in Left 4 Dead to victory. He knows how to utilize scum roles. He knows how to maximize effective scum tactics. He also knows exactly when to bus and when not to bus. He is no moron. A scumteam with Majiffy on it will be led by Majiffy. And a scumteam led by Majiffy thinks pretty similarly to how *I* operate as scum, because Majiffy and I have a natural synchronization as the same alignment. (Incidentally this is one reason Majiffy's in the lynchpool. I don't think he's likely to be scum, but he's more likely to be scum than the majority of players here.)
Yoshi, fourth player. I lack experience with him. If you think the scumteam's Rick-Vifam-Yoshi, or Rick-Vecna-Yoshi, or Vifam-Vecna-Yoshi, I'd be more than happy to help you string Yoshi up though! Assuming we lynched Yoshi FIRST that is.
Gin is VERY strongly anti-bussing. Trust me. I am Gin's friend, I've talked to Gin, Gin is the Ginhai of Pine who is very strongly anti-bussing, and Gin also is a student of MY school of thought where I literally wrote the book on NOT bussing. Gin would not approve of a bus. bee, bee might. There I admit familiarity. But during Gin's tenure in the slot, Gin knows how pro-town (and thus, anti-scum) bussing is. Furthermore, Gin can and does coordinate with scumbuddies. I realize real-life was kicking Gin heavily. But Gin had time in the slot PRIOR TO Gin's real-life emergency where that coordination can and did happen, guaranteed.
Ankamius is admittedly a player with no fear of bussing, or, at least, distancing. (The latter is what I feel Ankamius did. A vote on Titus, withdrawn. A vote on Yoshi, withdrawn.) I don't know how well Ankamius coordinates with scumbuddies. But if Ankamius is scum, with literally any of the above names...well then just fucking lynch Ankamius because that was my conclusion anyway.
Creature is the fifth name I don't know his scumgame. I know his town game well enough. I don't know what he does or doesn't do as scum. However, unless you're Majiffy, you presumably believe like I do that Creature is not scum anyway, so that would mean Creature would be disqualified from contention in terms of being a scumfuck with a style subverting my expectations.
The last name in question would be you. You know your alignment. You also know how you operate with scumbuddies. I read Bloodborne, so I know you are fucking on TOP of coordinating and communicating with your scumbuddies; it's kind-of your thing. You won't shy away from a bus if it's necessary, but it's not something you'll enjoy and it's something you do try to avoid. So you would in fact count as someone acting the way I describe if scum. But presumably you know that you're not, so you know that you couldn't be one acting that way.
Basically I know I'm fucking right because I fucking know over half of these players and how they operate as scum. There's literally a grand total of FIVE names who could so much as PLAUSIBLY act in a way contrary to what I laid out. And two of them are in my lynch pool anyway! So I have damn good reason for making my statement. Scum heavily communicated/coordinated. And scum acted approximately how I laid out.
I mean, sure. I'll probably be wrong on the exact specifics. There are names who if they are scum have acted outside of the guidelines I set forth. But I know at this point I am at the very least, more right than wrong. And that's good enough for me.
