Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

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btw if someone grabbed Chichen Itza it's basicly a cop, just target yourself and one other player if you're town.

Thats quite the stupido idea

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Pairity cop is one of the most op roles in all the mefia world and its not by self investigating

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Because you can clear 2 people or find 2 scum versus 1 slot? also it helps you get associations reads and what not, just knowing 1 alignemenet is exactly always inferior to knowing if 2 people shares an alignement

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LUV is 100% a better lynch today than Leon. Leon can die tomorrow.

Better because its your encryptor read?

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Better because Aslan is bussing Leon. Encryptor is probably someone else who scum expect to live the longest.

thats pretty good, i also suspect encryptor wont be bussed

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i dont think alisae would bus leon here so if hes scum im wrong on leon

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i dont like being wrong

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I prefer leon over luv personnaly

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and if alisae is mefia than ill gladly use his vote teehe

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i missed that

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that would explain how he stopped pushing on me when i didnt push back

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our argument got called TvT a lot too, scum do call TvsM tvst's

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our argument got called TvT a lot too, scum do call TvsM tvst's

Who all called it that?

will check that later

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can someone explain the leon wagon to me like im 12

bonus points for tangible point form reasons.

hes prob a mefia

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10 pages can yall chill

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[quote="In post 10218, davesaz"][/quote]

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Oh right, guess Transcend is KidAmn or replacing someone I didn't notice.

trans isnt kid

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i read, i have mixed feelings

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i think math is wrong on leon, my locktowns are nancy/vecna and nero close behind

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hm not really, an obvtown slot is vec

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nero towned a thousand time more than he did in the scum game we played

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Leon's posting style is extremely opaque to me and theres nothing that goes outside the kind of play i would expect from a mefia slot

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Cloud what the fuck are your reads I am losing my mind in this game and you're now my only locktown.

im looking at leon/gin/luv
people that im still trying to sort are max/pine and in a lesser extent alibae
my towns are vec, nero and you. Math is a townlean but if im wrong on a townread its prob this one

anything else is null, yuri is town for d1

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nero towned a thousand time more than he did in the scum game we played

Explain this. When Nero looks "townie" to me, he is often scum so I specifically compare metas for Nero and when he seems townie he's been scum every time. Without fail. Please explain how he has "towned a thousand times more than he did in the scum game we played".

i literraly cannot explain this, he was just townie and i townread half of his posts, i never understood how he was being shaded by half the table

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in the game we played he lurked his ass all game and did relativeley nothing, all he was doing was damage control and trying to "react" to the game insteand of providing content which he is doing rn

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to add to my 10321 the town math i remember is less keen to the opinions of others people and more confident about their reads but theres nothing inherently screaming scum in his play, the leon obv town read is imho convenient and i cant reach it even with a stretch. Also math youre asking for justifications on the nero reads but you dont seems to have made a case on him either

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nero towned a thousand time more than he did in the scum game we played

Explain this. When Nero looks "townie" to me, he is often scum so I specifically compare metas for Nero and when he seems townie he's been scum every time. Without fail. Please explain how he has "towned a thousand times more than he did in the scum game we played".

i literraly cannot explain this, he was just townie and i townread half of his posts, i never understood how he was being shaded by half the table

Same problem with MariaR lynch earlier.

If you can't explain it you're probably wrong. If you can't find a post that pings you and start a case or a post why you townread someone you're probably wrong. (Or it is RVS.) It isn't RVS so...I expect reasons or my reads don't change.

i could quote at least a dozens good posts from nero

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Cloud what the fuck are your reads I am losing my mind in this game and you're now my only locktown.

im looking at leon/gin/luv
people that im still trying to sort are max/pine and in a lesser extent alibae
my towns are vec, nero and you. Math is a townlean but if im wrong on a townread its prob this one

anything else is null, yuri is town for d1

I'm disturbed by the amount of people who have completely ignored Vecna's claim.

My lockscums are MathBlade and Notice. I'm still SRing Leonshade and LUV. Aslan is like a strong scumlean. My reads on LUV and Aslan are tied together a little, i.e., if one is scum they're both scum. LUV and Math's interactions have seemed vaguely SvS.

Notice and Math have both done things that are like wildly out of character for them, and some subtler things are missing too.

About the claims, i think taking that wonder is unecessary as to block that wonder to scum, i also think that vec is town moreso that i dont see the scumgain in that claim

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About the claims, i think taking that wonder is unecessary as to block that wonder to scum, i also think that vec is town moreso that i dont see the scumgain in that claim

Except that Town has no reason whatsoever to out themselves, whereas scum have every reason to do so.

You think hes claiming hagia sofia so people wont trust their checks?

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"the Caesar wagon on the previous day bothered the shit out of me"

@brian why an how did it bothered you

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"the Caesar wagon on the previous day bothered the shit out of me"

@brian why an how did it bothered you

Unlike the other wagons, the Caesar wagon rose pretty rapidly, but with you, Math, and Yuri all citing nancy as the reason for their vote. It just didn't feel right to me, and you still haven't explained why you were so fine with voting their despite claiming previously that the gamestate indicated Caesar was probably town.

i did explain, i also think that your explanation doesnt add up with your behavior on the sondam wagon that is


Lynch Vote 3.29

Sondam (9): Vecna, Creature, Nero Cain, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Caesar Wills It,

Brian Skies

, Leonshade, Sondam, Lil Uzi Vert

You voted close to the end of it despite how fast it formed, its not like you were there at first and didnt have time to unvote, how inconsistent of you

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Also, people need to stop using the word 'obvtown.' If someone were 'obvtown', everyone would be able to see it, so they're obviously not and you need to get off your high horse and explain the read.

because mefia would call obvtown obvtown?

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@brian ill iso myself later im on phone

@creat still havent provided anything on my slot

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Creature still ignoring me, why am i mefia creature

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At least a meta read pr something, i showed you some of my townplay

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Alibae whats your read on me

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Is that a respect read or actual read? Cause im not null

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Saying im null kinda kills the conversation

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I bet india is a 3rd party factions that automatically wins it survives to the modern age

Why? Seriously ... why?

lol meanwhile

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Correction: I didn't vote after Creature outed it.
Just saying.

IMPORTANT PORTURIZING MR ALIBAE

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had to say, gork is ugly posting a lot

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leon didnt even post once since the start of the day and im still convinced hes a mefia

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{Gorkington}

Top suspect at the moment.

hm

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if im wrong on leon gork might flip

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tbh that isn't the only source for my vote.
But mkay can we talk?
I would really like to talk.
Talking is what cool people do.
What do you think of Vecna?

it felt like it with how you started pushing me after it
D:

i can probably talk more tomorrow night, but ive had a pretty long day today.

vecna's closer to townlean than not.
i can give a lot of words there but theyre pretty lame.

Glork, do you think Creature genuinely believes his roleblock of you stopped the kill? Do you think everyone who voted after Creature (being LUV and Alisae) believes in that being a hard guilty?
What did you think of Nero and Alisae's back and forth earlier where they voted you then Nero switched to Alisae?
What do you think of Vecna, MathBlade, and Leonshade all voting you together before Creature outed the roleblock?

im still kind of trying to digest creature's claim.
the way hes been saying kind of softpushing me this whole time while saying hes apparently waiting for reactions seems kind of weird. like, if his intention was purely just to get reactions i dont really understand why he would even mention me before actually claiming me as his target.
i think under different circumstances i would be leaning town on a claim like that, but with no scum flipped, i think its a risk that scum could plausibly take at this stage.
unless theres a way that scum can see all of the wonders that havent been selected yet, hes probably not fakeclaiming having the role at the very least. i guess if hes scum it would be pretty weird to target me? but i guess at the same time i also just feel like the waiting and build-up to claiming target could have been waiting to see who the best person would be to drop on.
i'll probably need to reread it tomorrow night.

nero/ali interaction seemed kind of boring. did you take something from that interaction? because i didnt from what little i remember from it.

and leon/math pushes on me ive already established i didnt like.
theres elements of vecna's engage that give me wonky vibes but his vote isnt anywhere near as bad as the other two's.

had to say, gork is ugly posting a lot

lol.
you have nothing to say on creature's claim on me?

i would have thought a player of your caliber would have been all over that

.

already said i didnt think that any rb target would qualify as a guilty, also think a doc save is more likely

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im entirely willing to own up to my content being kind of shit so far.
i was trying out something that i usually do with my replacement game, but i dont have the energy for it anymore and i got really demotivated trying to do it here.

a

nd i think scum saw me as an opportunity to jump on as an easy lynch.

im not sure if the scum is faking a claim they know they can get away with or if theyre just trying to take advantage of my general lack of investment in this game so far/my predecessor's posting.
but i would be fucking shocked if there werent at least two scum in leonshade, mathblade,

cloudkicker

and creature.

p-edit: im feeling actually kind of good atm.
if im still feeling this good tomorrow i promise to give more specific and comprehensive and tangible thoughts on things.
but i should really probably sleep or i'll die tomorrow q.q

pp-edit: gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
one sec.

I cant be scum with leon, im pushing leon and i havent voted you, if anything you should read me as t lean

[CloudKicker]

choo choo

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Sondam (9):

Vecna

, Creature,

Nero Cain

,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

, Caesar Wills It, Brian Skies,

Leonshade

,

Sondam

,

Lil Uzi Vert

Lets not forget that mariar was onto leon as well

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lmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaao Nero what's your Leon read?

poe townish? Like idk. Everyone seems horrible to me.

My @1 town read is cloudkicker.

Yes you read that right.

CLOUDKICKER.

The fact that a guy who calls the scum mefia and not mafia should tell you alot about my opinions of people this game. Though maybe I shouldn't be so harsh b/c if I was playing better we'd of had flipped scum by now.

lol

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hi leon, i didnt know you were in vla

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i sheeped my read i had on nancy's vc regarding yuri, i doubt im wrong but i wouldnt be surprised

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i tribute 2 monsters and i summon the blue eyes white dragon in attack position. Attack the dark magician -500 ARARRGGGARGG

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Ali bae why you no read me townie this game ? have you got paranoid of my play

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i tribute 2 monsters and i summon the blue eyes white dragon in attack position. Attack the dark magician -500 ARARRGGGARGG

I activate my trap card: Mirror Force!

i activate my trap card : trap jammer!

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also creature untrust of me is that i havent been impressive as of yet, implying im always impressive as town im so cool

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What is the chainsaw in this ? i dont think youre using the right definition kid

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I dont like being scumread by people who knows my play mostly

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10500 posts later

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Leon not happening even tho he posted twice today its pretty silly

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VOTE: gork blitzed

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Blitz it alisae for entertainement

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cloud, do I have you sword tomorrow?

My sword? nancy is town if that was what you asked

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VOTE: KidAmn
I thought this was legit where my vote was.

its already hammered and you know it, not sure whyd you vote outside as if you were oblivious to the hammer

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MY town block that consist on not all consent people are vec/nancy/nero

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VOTE: KidAmn
I thought this was legit where my vote was.

It is i'm just terrible at votecounts.

Fixed.

hm does this mean its not a hammer? can i get a vc

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Why are you unvoting?

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you fake hammered and then unvoted, implying new content made you change your mind aka the only noteworthy content would be the beheviors of the town or gorks posts so #10682.

Notable town bahviors is
->Me voting and asking to blitz it when i was fosing leon, i can go in lenght if you want
-> Alibae hard defending gork at the end and some shananigans vote at the end

Gork #10682 looks like shit

So what content made you change your mind

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thoughts on Gork, Max?

Decent lynch

Then vote it ?

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''Yea that guy with 7 votes is a decent lunch yet i shall not make any behavior that is consistent with what i just said, i shall just give my opinion and try to distanciate myself in the event it flip mefia"

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i would really like to not have to look at this game anymore.
can we go back to lynching me?

And you dont self ? this looks like you trying not to be actually lunched dear gork

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''Yea that guy with 7 votes is a decent lunch yet i shall not make any behavior that is consistent with what i just said, i shall just give my opinion and try to distanciate myself in the event it flip mefia"

I talked about Elbirn/Gork earlier

Talked =/= behavior = vote

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You arent oblivious to the fact that dave wont be lynched today so why are you talking as if it was a real possibility? it sounds like you are saying/not voting gork for others reason than to actually push on dave

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AKA you trying to make a counterwagon on dave doesnt look genuine, more like fake resistance or distanciation from the flip

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Gork, you are saying that you would like not to look at the game agian = youre impyling you are somewhat okay with your lunch BUT youre not acting in conhesion with what youve been saying (that youre okay being lunched) which leads to the fact that you have other motivations for saying youd like to be lynched than to be lynched which is scummy

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lol

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Im still open to blitz leon

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Hes he first vote on your wago and has done nothing since you called him scum, please walkt me trought whyd he be scum rn

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Also im not oblivious to the fact that you implied leon would be town because i would want to blitz it, but that doesnt really make any sens since im showing that im open to reconsider your slot, i only started voting you recently and why would i advocate for another town lynch, leon, if i could just get your slot and push leon tomorow ? If youre town theres a great chance leon is mefia and from your pov it makes much much more sens than me being mefia and leon town

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Hes he first vote on your wago and has done nothing since you called him scum, please walkt me trought whyd he be town** rn

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Well, you had your chance to appeal to me

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Also my reasons to push you are irrelevant if the flip is correct

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Nancy this is town paranoia and this is a correct vote. This is exactly the moment your reads arent making much sens and are rooted in emotions

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Alos to anyone who will eventually call nancy scum again just reread thoses pages

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@nancy if ou really want a vote outside then lets get leon, idc if its low hanging fruit its a mefia

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Alos to anyone who will eventually call nancy scum again just reread thoses pages

The same should be said of Gork. You buddying up to me like this doesn't do wonders for my read of you, btw.

lol

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gork is what, l-2?

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since creature unvoted

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nero and nacy are both textbook screaming town

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nancy is singel handedly somewhat ruining the game by herself, shes twisting all her reads on a town preflip from what is most likely a mefia

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nancy do i have to reminds you of your past opinions on the gin slot ?

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this is not the feeling i got reading your last pages

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Where I'm at right now.
{PV, Nero, Math, Maxous, Creature, Brian, BaeReed, KidAmn, Caesar}
{Gork}
{Cloudie, Dave, Vecna}
{Leon, LUV, nancy}
Okay I can lynch Cloudie now.

vecna is literal town

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btw Cloudie is a PoE read.

noted

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ITT town imploding

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luv i thought you were sheeping your trs, why the unvote? what changed?

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LUV why did you unvote?

i want my royalties on that copyright infringement

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Alisa when you have a solid town pool working towards poe reads are correct but
1. your town pool sucks
2. you have to read between interactions betweens your scumreads

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Ali unvoted and I never self vote..

thats kinda town gold

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If we dont do gork can we revisit leon? he hasnt posted

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Can someone tell me why LUV is untouchable again?

What is the purpose of this post alibae, if you want to get luv you might want to make a case + vote the guy

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Or Leon.
Leon seems untouchable.
Killing those seems like a top quality idea.
VOTE: Leon

leon =/= luv

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Why is Leon scum again?

not his town play, did nothing, scumtold a while back on my end

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I want to lynch Leonshade because if it flips red then i will bow to CK.

FTFY

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Nero can testify for this, Leon is also tonally different from WWE Mafia.

pedit: I think as scum he would try to lynch you or keep feeding into how paranoid you can be. I don't see any of that in his interactions with you.

you know that hes literraly doing nothing

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would it be able to convince you anyway luv if it wasnt the case in the game alisae linked ? so why are we even talking about it if its not relevant

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Like it's 3am Ali I don't have the energy to read 100+ posts, just give me something here. Quote it and I'll see if I can sheep you on it.

better

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I was trying to get someone to take Oracle to confirm if he had slipped earlier because I was scum reading his slot hard D1.

missed that

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{Aslan, Brian, Creature, MathBlade, Notice}
{Caesar, Gorkington, LUV}
{davesaz, Maxous, Nero, Vecna}
{}
{CK, KidAmn, Leonshade}

If my reads are shit then work with me to fix them. The last time I asked for that you said no so what do you want from me? I've been trying all day to fix my reads and basically no one's done anything to help me figure shit out.

your reads ended up disastrous but i appreciate the reset exercise

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And btw with these wagons

Lynch Vote 4.12

Gorkington (7): Leonshade, Vecna, MathBlade, davesaz, Nero Cain, CloudKicker, Lil Uzi Vert
Leonshade (5): Brian Skies, NoticeMeSenpai, Gorkington, Alisae, nancy
davesaz (1): Maxous

Not Voting (3): KidAmn, Caesar Wills It, Creature


Scum have basically nowhere to hide.

If there are 2 scum off the Gork wagon then they have to move both onto it to get the hammer. Which they won't do just to lynch this. I know that town!Caesar won't hammer Gork, and I hope to god that Creature doesn't make the mistake of voting Gork.

pedit based on Cloud. He didn't defend someone via meta that I know he's capable of easily defending.

Whomm, luv?

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or alisae?

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Ok im gonna go on the cocky train again, and put up the people that I think would be able to think this through to the level that Notice just portrayed. From what I know about these people (and it might not be enough, but alas) - theres only 5/6 people here that id think were gonna orchestrate such a plan.

Vecna
Mastina
Titus (probably gone too early though)
Leonshade
Nero Cain
Pine (I guess? his portrayal of Caesar shows quite the hidden intellect id say)

I know it isnt me. Notice trying to frame himself only to later be able to fall back on it by outing it, is a very small possibility - but unlikely.

Nero Cain is a possibility. He's been hard on the attack on certain people that are widely townread. Ive stated earlier I think it could be possible he's scum since he reminds me of DeathNote Nero - but his current posting is going way beyond that. His posts are very well thought out generally - so if its him he's really trying to make this his scum magnum opus or some shit.

Leonshade - A real contender. Ive seen in Code Geass this guy is very smart when he wants to. The only thing that gives me doubts here is that id suspect he wouldnt have trouble to keep up appearances going into today, but he's just fallen off so much.

Pine: Insufficient information to judge the likelyhood.

proof im still being underestimated

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If its about alisae, he recently got harder to read generally and im less inclined to have gut reads on him, theres also some of his play that im still really unsure of. If its about luv i scumread him earlier but havent been really pushing him since then and im pretty indifferent about his play atm

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VOTE: leon

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Apparently hes VLA until the 18th, i suggest we wait until then

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Well I am tanked. Going to bed with Jae. Feel like I've spent 12 hours on nothing but THIS THREAD. Holy bejeebus.

NO FUCKING QUICKLYNCHES WHILE I AM ASLEEP

WE HAVE NINE DAYS UNTIL DEADLINE WE DO NOT NEED TO LYNCH ANYTHING FOR ANOTHER 3 DAYS AT THE VERY LEAST

STOP HANGING THINGS

THANK YOU

You didnt reply to my post

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nero is town and the game bored me

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VOTE: RC no

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because bullshitting your way when you replace in, if youre actually town please iso nero today

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that wagon is also extremely indicative of nero's alignement

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this is a scum win ftr

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ali youre voting with leon you realize?

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VOTE: leon

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Fuckkk RC is town and Nero is scum

VOTE: Nero Cain

Nero being scum makes so much sense but I ignored it because ABR flipped town

looks like scum buddying a replace in because theyre wrong and enabling a ml

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if this is not scum we are pretty fucked

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theres a few people in there that i think are uderperforming, maybe we should revisit those?

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thats l-3

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So sick of people townreading others because they scumread me.

I claim scum, quicklynch me now.

ive been grasping at straws a while back on your case but the nero jump pinged me really hard

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we still have a week

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i just dont want a mislynch when i already have low motivation

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UNVOTE: Leonshade

Why the unvote, you fear hes going to get blitzed?

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even moreso than leon?

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nero voting leon isnt blitzing

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nero has probably one of the best pov in game to read leon, his vote is just the natural progression of that pov

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Could someone explain to me why Leon's vote is opportunistic and scummy but not Alisae?

Because leon townread you when ali didnt, also leon was heavily scumread before said vote so that fueled that

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@luv any chance you stop shading me every few pages?

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theres other reason why ali isnt scum either

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I think you're scum Cloud. Not gonna happen.

you never read me correctly you know

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Aslan buddies and sheeps a lot as either alignment. It's NAI for them.

We have time Vecna but RC is tunneled on Nero.

calling his vote NAI in this context is a stretch

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ali was hard townreading brian slot for a good amount of time today so its not as surprising hes fliping tho

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Don't stress it Cloud he thinks I'm scum too.

Heck even I thought you were scum for a bit there. (Oh because you didn't meta defend davesaz when I knew you could have, that was why btw.)

i dont have a singel finished game with dave, i have no idea where you picked that up

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theres other reason why ali isnt scum either

Whats that?

#reasons

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ive been thinking about math alot, i cant reconcile his town play that im used to and this gmae

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i havent seen anything outright scummy but his play is underwhelming

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hes one of the slot id like revisited, notice too

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CK I would follow you into the dusk and probs no further

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that was refreshingly honest

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The past 15 or so pages have provided amazing clarity to this whole game. Town synergy is fucking amazing. If we win this it'll be because of those pages.

You don't think I'm honest? Why rolling eyes?

nah it was sincere

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rolling eyes is just the irony in a mefia game

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VOTE: leon

Fuckkk RC is town and Nero is scum

VOTE: Nero Cain

Nero being scum makes so much sense but I ignored it because ABR flipped town

looks like scum buddying a replace in because theyre wrong and enabling a ml

there

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i think its a bad idea to lynch in those two because of the check

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you can just see them as 2 slot Hydras where you can read one head to read the other, its better than lynching inside and creature has been towny

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i dont even understand how can people scumread nero when they have any experience with the slot as scum

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hes been a complete different player

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@leon wifom wont work

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my scum pool is leon/gork/notice/math + someone lurking

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i dont even understand how can people scumread nero when they have any experience with the slot as scum

Oh you mean how I haven't despite citing a game where Nero was scum with me in? Excuse me while we go back in time and play this before gunslingers then.

you quoted that after i posted

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also if you really want me to check it out then please link some of his posts not the whole game

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the same meta i said i disagreed

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this is not math's town play

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the same meta i said i disagreed

You can't both disagree with the meta and claim I never provided it. Which is it? Because I doubt you read the entire ISO that fast.

we discussed it earlier, i assumed the link you posted was new meta

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you said you had a meta read on nero as scum i said it was the opposite

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the same meta i said i disagreed

You can't both disagree with the meta and claim I never provided it. Which is it? Because I doubt you read the entire ISO that fast.

we discussed it earlier, i assumed the link you posted was new meta

Fail harder. You said no one had played with Nero scum. Going to bed. Cloud is scums.

you misread me, i said i dont understand how people with experience with scum nero can scumread him from meta which is your case

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yo im not low hanging fruit

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Hey vecna, can you explain me your read progression on my slot

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theres always that distinc resistance when it comes to leon even tho he outright scumtold and outed a few terrible posts, he also went on his reads on myself when i didnt change mine which is another scumtell

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Ive been increasingly retired from the townreads of people who called me locktown and it feels wierd, not sure if its related to my decrese in activity but if so its pretty stupido

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kid looks also like a CW to nero/leon and nero is pretty obvious town to me

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VOTE: Leonshade

Cloudkicker, im quite sure I documented every change in perception ive had on your slot. Ive townread your slot for most of the game except for a brief while during today/yesterday because of a few statements you made which I didnt like.

I saw you saying you had a lessen townread on me but i didnt see the exact posts where you commented on said posts

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Regardless of that im expecting leon's flip to clear my slot since ive been pushing that before it was a thing

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@Cloud, Creature, and Kid: Who would you have neighborized Night 1?

ididnt read d1-d2. Are you asking who i wouldve neihborized because of d1's play or only because of the player?

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Stick to this Leonshade wagon no matter what

same

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at this point a leon flip is high informative

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mefias cant hide behind that anymore

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at this point a leon flip is high informative

really?

what will you learn from a scum flip and from a town flip?

there has been like 2-3 cws to leon, i think its good info to go back to and revisit

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he rescinded his check ?

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at this point a leon flip is high informative

really?

what will you learn from a scum flip and from a town flip?

there has been like 2-3 cws to leon, i think its good info to go back to and revisit

... Will read the rest later.

But this sticks out to me. This only gives you something if you do VCA and at this point we need a scum lynch.

Tell me what you've learned from the prior 3 mislynches? Show me what you've learned from that.

i didnt read prior to my replace-in but i will reread today with the flip

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Don't stress it Cloud he thinks I'm scum too.

Heck even I thought you were scum for a bit there. (Oh because you didn't meta defend davesaz when I knew you could have, that was why btw.)

Didnt say but ive been vla since yesterday

V/LA up to sunday probably inclusively

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Hm quote is awkward, i was trying to check why nancy scumread me

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i dont think its worth it tbh

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also nice job everyone derailing the wagon while i was busy

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@rc it says killing actions, not night kill action so i guess day vig is exactly the reason why the tooltip doesnt say night actions

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It doesn't matter you're still giving scum two kills

they have to be lynched

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Occam's suggest they're already holding onto the vig wonder in medieval. They already have 2 kills.

what is the occam usage there ?

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Occam's suggest they're already holding onto the vig wonder in medieval. They already have 2 kills.

So why vote to give them the third and a guaranteed win?

basically this, the rush thing is too much

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VOTE: nae

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i read last pages, the doc pool analysis was good, i just think leon is discarding that doc might claim vts

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We could always just lynch Cloudie.

why me

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if Caesar went for palace and was sniped by town then I strongly suspect that they're town too. like if they were going to say they were going for palace they'd definitely have SOMEONE on scumteam take it if they were scum

what about cloud? Gorkington could be scum I guess

why me

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Cloudie is scum!

why me

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Honestly Cloudie is scum let's go get em.

im not scum but please explain me your thought process

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The moment i got busy with my girlfriend and numerous examsn i got called scum any times by people who called me locktime not so long ago, i got shaded a lot for no bieng active because i didnt state my VLA etc

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LUV has no credibility, he has never identified me correcly in any game ever, RC never did either, rc literraly always scumread me as town every singel time. ALisae ou caught my scumplay in one game because of deep understand of one my pet peeve which is the facepalm emoji, im not scum here

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Creature called me scum because i wasnt impressive enough, ali you never outed a single reason why i was scum and youre trying to lynch outside the wagon that was a CW's to what is a slot that has be counterwagonned like 4-5 times during the whole game. What is more likely alisae, town to be cws or scum? why do you even scumread me if its not light poe because of my inactivity?

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FTR i didnt read last 10 pages because i wanted to adresse this, nero is still a locked town and a juicy mislynch, leon lynch resistance is still really present. I wont deny that leon has beein posting correclly but i am giving enough credit from seeing his scum play that i dont think he has extremely scumtold, his 180 on me is still a scumtell and i really want his flip.

About the massclaim, i dont want to claim but i did crumb

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It's cuz PoE

Alisae im really great at poe and its one of the most useful town tool there is, it only works if you have correct bases about that read and im pretty sure you dont. You started scumreading me when my activity droped from IRL which is pretty indicative that your poe is just you being pocketed

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MAth read on PV is ridiculous but im not sure how it could come from scum, math looks really sure that pv could be scum in any world

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@alisae i literraly got called town about a hundred time when i was pretty active, then i got called low hanging fruit (nero), coasting scum (leon) and other stuff, vecna droped his townread but explaiend it, nancy 180'd my ass when it looked useful

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Town is losing becuase town keeps fosing town and doing bad play like the 2 recent lynches namely sondam and kid, we can do better than that