| The Divergent Series | Game Over |

[Ircher]

VOTE: Radiant Moonlight

Keep the bandwagons going!

[Ircher]

Was it? Why?

[Ircher]

Nah, both of you have like 5+ votes.

[Ircher]

RadiantMoonlight had 3 before your vote. Including himself

I have 5.

Zakk, Radiant, Ramcias, and BTD6 make 4 before my vote.

[Ircher]

Zakk is voting me.

I missed that he changed votes.

[Ircher]

Anyways, Ircher's vote was lazy so he can have my vote for now.

How does lazy indicate scum?

[Ircher]

You evaded the question. I never said lazy = town. I asked how does lazy = scum?

[Ircher]

VOTE: Wheme

[Ircher]

Let me get this straight Wheme:

1. I make an RVS vote on Radiant w/ a comment about bandwagoning
2. You comment that the vote was bad simply because more people were voting you at the time.
3. We go back and forth a little on the issue.
4. You vote me way after you initially call me out on the issue with the comment that my vote was lazy.
5. When called out for your late vote, you if honestly mattered
6. When I asked you how being lazyng implies I'm scum, you evade the point by stting that lazy doesn't imply town.

Tell me how this doesn't read as suspicious on your side?

[Ircher]

VOTE: Wheme

Lil late to be listening to my advice isn't it?

See above.

[Ircher]

So 1-3 is not suspicious at all. Don't know why you included them but eh.
Do you not find lazy votes suspicious? If not, why not?
Its hard for me to explain why I read you as scum for being lazy, so I just won't explain it.

1-3 are for completeness.

Lazy votes

during RVS

are not suspicious at all because it is

RVS

.

[Ircher]

@Not_Mafia

What makes you think I am scum?

[Ircher]

My opinion on Not is he's always very hard to read.

Pedit: Then elaborate.

[Ircher]

Momo on the otherhand reads as inexpeienced.

[Ircher]

Pretty sure I haven't.

[Ircher]

Apologizing in advanced for misgenders and this list includes the people who have stuck out to me.

Spoiler: Reads

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
Ircher  (100%) - Role PM

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)

Null

(0% - 30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)
Not_Mafia (0%) - It's hard to get a read here when he's always goofing off. Even when he does say something relevant, it tends to be an absolute, and he generally refuses to elaborate further.

Neutral

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read)
Momo (+40%) - There have been questionable things tha this slot has said, sure, but it reads as genuine thoughts versus scum trying to manipulate the town. Aka, Momo, for lack of a better description, reads sorta like lynchbait at the moment.
Wheme (-55%) - For me, his attack on me at the beginning was bad, and while forgivable, his unwillingness to provide information and evasion of my question reads as suspicious at a bare minimum.

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)

[Ircher]

viewtopic.php?t=70799&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go - Here's a scum game of Momo's. He replaced in @ page 72.

viewtopic.php?p=8926674#p8926674 - Here was a game where he replaced in as town. Page 61

You can notice the differences in his play just by opening posts.

Not really. Maybe a little bit less involved in the scum one.

[Ircher]

Apologizing in advanced for misgenders and this list includes the people who have stuck out to me.

Spoiler: Reads

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
Ircher  (100%) - Role PM

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)

Null

(0% - 30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)
Not_Mafia (0%) - It's hard to get a read here when he's always goofing off. Even when he does say something relevant, it tends to be an absolute, and he generally refuses to elaborate further.

Neutral

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read)
Momo (+40%) - There have been questionable things tha this slot has said, sure, but it reads as genuine thoughts versus scum trying to manipulate the town. Aka, Momo, for lack of a better description, reads sorta like lynchbait at the moment.
Wheme (-55%) - For me, his attack on me at the beginning was bad, and while forgivable, his unwillingness to provide information and evasion of my question reads as suspicious at a bare minimum.

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)

I thought it was weird that their readslist described Momo how I would describe someone that I am townreading them but put them in a non-towny category.

Momo is classified as town. You have to pay attention to the sign in parenthesis for neutral and null. (+ = Townlean, - = Scumlean)

[Ircher]

Momo on the otherhand reads as inexpeienced.

Why would you read Momo this way but not wheme?

Possibly confirmation bias. Wheme's posts don't have quite the same atmosphere though.

[Ircher]

F U guys.

It is generally agreed by many people on this site (including Transcend) that I am lynchbait. So be smart and see past it...

being lynchbait doesn't gives lynch immunity, and if you going bring this argument up, i will be more than happy prove you wrong

VOTE: Not Mafia

you wrong, i'm not scum, so you have to go

True, but don't discount it completely either.

[Ircher]

Meh, I sorta want a wagon on someone I can easily read.

VOTE: Mehtaph

VOTE:

Meh

taph

-squints eyes-
Can't tell if subtle shade or misspelling.

This is important because ....?
Typos are a thing.

[Ircher]

I don't do alignment unconfirmed PTs

Why not? Some players (eg: Creature) are easier to sort in PTs.

[Ircher]

[post=Wheme]Wheme[/post]

Bloody spammer. 70+ posts. 3 pages out of 16 are yours. My priority is to hunt for spammers before hunting for scums.

This can die for being extremely anti-town.
VOTE: Alban

[Ircher]

This can die for being extremely anti-town

Why anti-town and not scum?

Well, it could be scum motivated, but tbqh, it reads as simply anti-town given Alban's other posts. Being transparently hard to work with is generally not a scum-indicative thing.

@Not_Mafia - Cuz I don't have too many strong reads atm.

[Ircher]

Spoiler: Ramcius ISO - Day 1 #1

1. 287 --> Points out "Townslip" by Not_Mafia -->

This so-called "townslip" is a pretty reachy conclusion. --> Suspicious (-1)

2. 296 --> 238 Not_Mafia vote is "not RVS vote" -->

Then, what is it? I mean, aside from the fact that RVS ended quite awhile ago, what part of your vote makes it a non-RVS vote? --> Suspicious (-1)

3. 306 --> Elaboration for 287 -->

Not very convincing elaboration, especially given your experience. If anything, your townslip constitutes nitpickiness. --> Suspicious (-1)

I will reserve further judgement for now, but this slot has definitely caught my attention.

[Ircher]

I honestly don't see the Nero!scum case.

[Ircher]

No, Not yet.

Sell me on a case that isn't Momo or Nero.

[Ircher]

I am meh with Creatur.
VOTE: Creature

[Ircher]

The Momo wagon is bad and you guys and gals know it.

[Ircher]

Because he has done nothing highly indicative of scum; he's lynchbait at worst.

[Ircher]

He's V/LA.

[Ircher]

People should join Abnegation; it will be fun even if its empty rn.

[Ircher]

[post=Wheme]Wheme[/post]

Bloody spammer. 70+ posts. 3 pages out of 16 are yours.

My priority is to hunt for spammers before hunting for scums

.

Don't you think a replacement is more advisable if you think this is true? Why chase a policy lynch on D1, when the great harvest has already begun?
I will take this as an avoidance to present your scum reads.

That's highly presumptuous. Why would you think I have not already presented my reads?

I don't think you have presented your reads, and this make me want to return to wagoning you.

[Ircher]

Let's see...
Alban prob scum

Reasons.
Everyone who is voting for me or is suspecting me based on my vote for Wheme, I pity you. I am not lashing out but this is what I genuinely think. If one post can change your mind about whom to vote and who is worth suspecting, you are not only clueless about where you are in the game, but you second my point that these 20 pages of scumhunting -- if you can call it that -- are worthless.

Or maybe the fact that you haven't gave anything in 20 pages besides a vote on me that was purely based on the # of posts I have

100% agree with Wheme here.

[Ircher]

Absolutely not.

[Ircher]

You vote whemestar
You question him and his actions
You call it an RVS and people voting it are scumy
Then you call wheme and NotMafia scumy
Then you call it RVS again

The wagon STARTED with an rvs vote. 2nd post of p.2 I think.

Anyway, Wheme started reacting a bit scummy so I questioned him.

Then it suddenly became a huge deal and it looked like an early lynch was a possibility.

I stopped then because short D1 mislynch is never good for town.

Better safe than sorry.

Nero and Not seemed TOO eager.

Happy??????

Ok, here we go.... (Sorry if I'm very incoherent...)

Spoiler: Momo ISO - Day 1

1. 111 --> Confronts Wheme on his "Does it matter?" post -->

I feel like the majority of us would agree that this is a decent if not good post from Momo. Wheme's post definitely causes people to question his motives, and Momo's post highlights that suspicion. --> Townish (+1)

2. 128 - Responds to Wheme's 113, talks about the buildup of the Wheme wagon, and then switches topics and votes Not_Mafia for wagon-hopping -->

The response to Wheme's post was acceptable -- Wheme's post was kinda bad (though not scummy) imo. The rest of the post is.... not so great. You may have started the Wheme wagon, but you didn't propel it forward. What propelled it was Wheme and Not_Mafia asking people to vote Wheme. Your concern for its buildup seems exaggerated. The argument you used to attack Not_Mafia is a very questionable argument, and yet, I feel it's an argument that comes from inexperience.

TL;DR :

Weak post w/ exaggerated concern about Wheme wagon and a questionable attack on Not_Mafia --> Suspicious (-1)

3. 208 --> Trying to solve game, etc. -->

I disagree with your assertion that you are trying to solve the game. You are somewhat trying, but you are also ignoring everythng else that happens -- in other words, you have confimation bias. Tunneling, while not necessarily a bad thing, allows you to forget the big picture. It comes more often from town, but the way you are pursuing it is making me have my doubts. Really hard to explain -- gut says there's something off about this tunnel you are pursuing. --> Suspicious (-1)

While there could be more to say about individual posts, its kinda hard to, so I think I'm gonna wrap this up with overall things I'm noticing:

1. Lots of confirmation bias
2. Very little and usually weak explanations for reads
3. Though never a reliable tell, it feels "Too scummy to be scum".

[Ircher]

So what is he to you? You have two negatives on him. Does that imply an scum lean? If so why say the wagon is bad in 471?

Undecided still. Minor scumlean.

And the wagon was bad because it barely looked farther than the surface.

[Ircher]

Momo, Wheme, and Nero are who you should pay attention to.

[Ircher]

Not_Mafia is very competent even if he doesn't elaborate a lot; it's just his style.

[Ircher]

Btw Creature, please join Abnegation N1; please & thank you.

[Ircher]

No, that gives scum more info.

It's like asking everyone to massclaim.

[Ircher]

While I would imagine so, I cannot know for sure.

[Ircher]

WIFOM is WIFOM.

[Ircher]

(Sh!!!)

[Ircher]

There is no WIFOM, I'm scum

Come on guys. He is doing this on purpose. How do you not see this?????

VOTE: Not_Mafia

We obviously see it.

Wine In Front Of Me is WIFOM!!!!

[Ircher]

(Sh!!!)

keyser, Zakk, RB are my preferred lynches

How about no?

[Ircher]

Rb is freaking V/LA; what don't you guys understand about that.

[Ircher]

To Keyser:

1) Unsure
2) I don't really see it as scum theatre, but I may be wrong.
3) I think he truly believed that even if it was a bit silly.
4) Probably a good bit. Nonetheless, it's a pretty easy wagon to join, so the people to investigate would be the defenders and fnce-sitters.

[Ircher]

Yes, but we shouldn't pl people on v/la.

[Ircher]

ok? but like we weren't? Like I know you said he was v/la and just b/c he's on v/la doesn't mean he isn't above suspicion.

Stop suggesting a useless y baseless policy lynch.

[Ircher]

An rb lynch is a bad idea because it would give less info compared to other lynches it wouldn't give no info but better lynches are available

How does it give any info when rb hasn't posted yet?

How is there more than ~20%-30% chance of rb flipping scum if he hasn't posted? (Hint: The given number is the expected RL chance)

[Ircher]

W shouldn't imo.

[Ircher]

No, it gives zero info because it has zero info to go by.

That info just tells you about playstyle of players, not their alignment.

[Ircher]

A lynch on Rb is a useless policy lynch.

[Ircher]

I meant policy lynching rb.

Pedot: I agree.
VOTE: Elena

[Ircher]

Scum have daytalk. It's in the rules.

[Ircher]

You are assuming scum move -- what if they would prefer to not move? What if there is less than 5 scums? @Elena

[Ircher]

@Mod

Are serums once-per-game or once-per-night?

[Ircher]

VOTE: Creature

Better than Elena rn.

[Ircher]

@Mod - I'm listed twice; Creature was last vote.

[Ircher]

Still wonder why I am your best vote.

I kinda exlained this in Abnegation (which you aren't a part of), but I don't feel like repeating myself here.

Also, why Zakk?

[Ircher]

How does he play town in your opinion?

[Ircher]

Shos is town, tell a friend.

How about no?

[Ircher]

Possibly.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Shos
Cuz Transcend.

[Ircher]

egopost

12 pages. the game started yesterday. *sigh*

I should have known

arrrrright
I read my faction PT
and I read the first page of this thread

I'll go to sleep now
and keep reading tomorrow

so long, spammers!

OK so I read the first 5 pages and there's nothing there so

can anyone point me to a post where I should start reading

What about this screams town?

[Ircher]

What do you think about Transcend's auto-tr on shos?

[Ircher]

Anyway, I think we should stall the current wagons and get some of these people to actually participate who haven't been.

[Ircher]

Out of {shos, Penguin, BTD6}, who should we flashwagon?

[Ircher]

Out of {shos, Penguin, BTD6}, who should we flashwagon?

momo

momo already has a wagon, has had one throughout the game, and wasn't a choice.

'Kay, w're flashwagoning Penguin then.
VOTE: Penguin

[Ircher]

“A chasm reminds us that there is a fine line between bravery and idiocy.”

VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 1.16

[6] momo:

Not_Mafia, zakk, Srceenplay, PenguinPower, WhemeStar, rb,

[4] zakk:

Mewtaph, Radiant Moonlight, Nero Cain, Transcend,

[1] Not_Mafia:

momo,

[1] Elena Fisher:

Ircher,

[1] Radiant Moonlight:

BTD6_maker,

[1] Ramcius:

alban,

[1] Ircher:

Elena Fisher,

[1] rb:

Creature,

[1] Creature:

Ircher,

[1] alban:

Ramcius,

NOT VOTING:

shos, Keyser Söze, Aristophanes,

MOD NOTES:

momo is the leading wagon. rb is V/LA for the next 2 days. His V/LA will end in April 8. BTD6_maker is V/LA until April 14th. Radiant Moonlight is V/LA until monday.

With

20

alive, it takes

11

to lynch. Day One will end in

(expired on 2017-04-19 00:05:00)

.

All these people voting one-man wagons are basically being useless.

I'd rather you be on MY wagon than a useless one

Or join the penguin wagon! =)

[Ircher]

I townread shos

Pleae explain

why

.

I townread shos

because

_____________________________________________________________.

[Ircher]

Out of {shos, Penguin, BTD6}, who should we flashwagon?

VOTE: Ircher

Explain why.

I voted Ircher because _____________________________.

[Ircher]

@Mod -- Pretty sure Zakk is voting momo rn, not Creature.

[Ircher]

Out of {shos, Penguin, BTD6}, who should we flashwagon?

VOTE: Ircher

Explain why.

I voted Ircher because _____________________________.

I voted Ircher because

he is scum

______________.

Explain why.

Ircher is scum because __________________________________________.

[Ircher]

PP is not a lurker lynch.

[Ircher]

What is it then?

Read the Abnegation PT.

[Ircher]

No, it's not.

[Ircher]

my town pool is like {alban, Lil Uzi Vert, momo, Nero Cain, Not_Mafia, Ramcius}
town based on tone at least for D1 {Aristophanes, rb, WhemeStar}
probably town I guess {Creature}

Wait, why Uzi?

[Ircher]

Not townreading. But not scumreading.

Ya'll haven't done enough imo.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Rb

Hammer?

[Ircher]

Read the Abnegation PT.

but I'm not in that hood. So what is it?

It's a lurker lynch

Not a lurkerlynch.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Zakk

Idcam

[Ircher]

P-edit: i didn't said they not scums, i'm asking for biggest wagons, so if i can't see them as scums, i'm missing something that other people see

try reading his 243
then look at his later posts while he's being wagoned

Long posts are on a computer

Short posts are on my phone

(shrug)

Any reason you don't have access to a computer rn to post your long posts?

[Ircher]

And actually, I do care.

Everyone needs to get off the obv ML bait Momo.

Zakk is by far the superior lynch due to the fact that he's only here at the most convenient of times and is non*entity elsewise.

[Ircher]

Radiant Moonlight gives very little for analysis. Overall they have three votes on Momo. The first was RVS, so I can ignore that. The next two still do not have reasoning attached. (You once claimed that Momo was Town). What is your reasoning for the Momo votes?

Transcend next. Transcend was merely sheeping. From what I can see, they were sheeping Radiant Moonlight, who gave very little in the way of reasoning. Transcend, why did you do this, and do you still agree with it?

PenguinPower gave virtually nothing.

Whemestar next. This is more interesting. It seems as though the main reason is meta. Exactly what is the main difference? I noticed that the Town Momo posted a huge wall very early on. Other than that, there was not much of a difference. If you noticed another difference, please explain it and then show that this is a pattern throughout Momo's games, not just in these two instances.

Why have you not moved your vote throughout the game?

[Ircher]

Interesting. We coul lynch BTD6, but it isn't a very productive lynch given who BTD6 is.

[Ircher]

Shos' reasoning for not wanting to lynch me today is that he wants a town majority in our hood. Just think about it, he's calling me

scum

but doesn't want to lynch me. This sounds alot like scum that knows that I'm town.

He's being super coy and hard to work with and I tend to think that's more likely to come from scum rather than town.

I'm basically skimming the thread by now
Can we lynch NC, but only tomorrow?

why lynch him?

Because I really dislike his play both in the game and in the hood. B

Out of {shos, Penguin, BTD6}, who should we flashwagon?

VOTE: Ircher

Explain why.

I voted Ircher because _____________________________.

I voted Ircher because

he is scum

______________.

I think the scum in our PT is NC

like he's not being open and you have to coax content out of him.

He could be town realizing it's going to be a struggle to get people to follow him.

I don't think he's been really difficult here though. I thought it was pretty self explanatory as to why he voted for Ircher. Just randomly asking to flash wagon lurkers off of weak or NAI things is suspicious. He needs to elaborate more on his scum read on you however.

At least your facts are straight.

But, the idea was not a lynch when I flashwagoned -- it was to generate content (particularly from the one wagoned)

[Ircher]

UNVOTE:

[Ircher]

?

Pedit: Stop spamming.

[Ircher]

Ircher, where are you at?

Not w/ this game as I need to be. Despite how much time I may seem to have (and definitely used to have), school is catching up with me and is starting to be stressful. Furthemore, I just don't have the drive to try to sort through ISOs at the moment. Also, I signed up for too many games.

Ircher, why were you voting rb?

? I wasn't voting rb unless you are referring to the distant past.

Ircher, how well do you know BTD6_Maker?

Decent enough to know he's very likely ML bait right now. I'm not imoressed w/ him rn, but I reserve further judgedment.

Ircher, how's your PT going?

Fairly quiet, but I townread everyone posting there, including Zakk.

Ircher, what's your opinion on every player sticking with their birth factions?

I think that's no fun and not a foolproof idea. I like the idea of using serums N1 a lot more tbh, and giving people the freedom to change factions if they wish.

[Ircher]

VOTE: zakk

Zakk's town.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Rb

Hammer?

Exactly what it says then.

I was hoping it was a hammer.

[Ircher]

Because I didn't necessarily TR him and I *really* want the day to end.

[Ircher]

Not anymore.

[Ircher]

Times are different, life a bit more stressful.

[Ircher]

Too much work, not enough time to relax.

Spending time analyzing / dragging this day onward just creates more work.

[Ircher]

Plus I forgot why I stopped playing as many games.

[Ircher]

No, it's my justification.

Bad? Yes.
Scummy? Possibly.
Worth trying to lynch me over? Probably not.

[Ircher]

VOTE COUNT 1.25

[5] zakk:, Elena Fisher, rb, Ircher, WhemeStar, Radiant Moonlight
[4] momo: Not_Mafia, Srceenplay, Lil Uzi Vert, shos, Aristophanes
[3] shos: Nero Cain, zakk, Creature
[2] rb: momo, Ramcius
[1] Elena Fisher: Transcend
[1] Radiant Moonlight: BTD6_maker,
[1] Ramcius: alban,
[1] screenplay: Mewtaph


NOT VOTING: Keyser Söze

Mod Notes: Zakk is the leading wagon.

V/LA: both BTD and Keyser v/la ends today.

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Day One will end in 3 days, 19 hours, 33 minutes.

Didn't I unvote?

[Ircher]

Oh nvm

VOTE: shos

Please stop flip-flopping every 25th post.

[Ircher]

I think I'm gonna have to look at this tomorrow or Monday. Sorry.

[Ircher]

Anyone care to give a summary? I'm 250 posts behind.

[Ircher]

That's a pretty weak slip @Ari.

[Ircher]

Why can't yo share to the thread?

[Ircher]

also ircher is 2b vigged

Why?????


(Though tbh, I wouldn't care too much if happened.)

[Ircher]

VOTE: Momo

Also, let's not waste our time on Radiant w/ their failed gambit.

[Ircher]

I could honestly care less who is lynched rn unless it's me, but objectively, momo is, imo, the most likely to be scum out of everyone who has a viable chance of being lynched within the following 20 or so hours.

[Ircher]

That's very weak momo.

Like, it's survivalistic in nature since ari's your counterwagon.

[Ircher]

He could, but he has to support it in a way that isn't 100% filler and bias. He's got to give evidence.

[Ircher]

No, I'm trying to understand if you genuinely think Ari is scum or not.

[Ircher]

Give me one good reason as to wehy Ari is scum w/ proper evidence.

[Ircher]

Town can White Knight just as scum can.

Why can't Mewtaph be town WKing town Ari?

Pedit: Don't ragequit. You have potential, but people have to understand your viewpoint.

[Ircher]

Town can White Knight just as scum can.

Why can't Mewtaph be town WKing town Ari?

Pedit: Don't ragequit. You have potential, but people have to understand your viewpoint.

@Momo
Please answer.

[Ircher]

@Momo:

I wanted to know your thought process; I wasn't necessarily doubting yo.

[Ircher]

Anyway, I have a special gift for you all......

[Ircher]

VOTE: Ari

[Ircher]

Ah, but you misunderstand @momo.

Objectively, you are the scummiest. That's pretty much fact. But scummy != scum; you can be scummy but still town.

[Ircher]

Mafia is not about being right/wrong; it's about the way you express yourself.

It's about tone and diction and attitude. Not whethe something matches up perfectly with something previously stated.

[Ircher]

I hammered Ari because you showed your thought process and explained why you felt the way you did; you gave your thoughts in a way that suggests town to me.

I didn't hard townread Ari, even if it appeared like I did. Nor did I ever hard scumread you.

[Ircher]

I gave intent. Just on very short notice.

[Ircher]

That is always a possibility. Scum me would have quite some to gain from such a hammer.

[Ircher]

That is always a possibility. Scum me would have quite some to gain from such a hammer.

If Ari flips scum then leap frogging me for hammer to get on the wagon has scum motivation.

I didn't leap frog you. You ninja'd my intent post.

[Ircher]

I was planning to hammer since 1800.

[Ircher]

If Ari flips scum, Radiant is very likely town.

Radiant's gambit is a huge indicator of the amount of confidence they had in their scumread.

[Ircher]

That's not pocketing @Momo.

I have played with both heads of Radiant before, esp. RC. That statement is made off of experience with the RC head.

[Ircher]

(Titus is pretty good too imo.)

[Ircher]

Null.

[Ircher]

To elaborate:

RC is (imo) a skilled scumhunter and is right more often than average. But he's not infallible as town. The fact that they took a risky gambit on town says very little about their alignment imo.

The way the gambit was withdrawn, btw, was by no means imo scummy as neither scum nor town Radiant would want to ge locked in a claim that would surely backfire on them.

[Ircher]

Honestly, I don't like it.

[Ircher]

It cold be biased town. That's a possibility. But, the way he is going about it makes me think he might b scum.

Pedit: I need to do some research reads-wise. Zakk feels town in the PT but doesn't feel the same as in Adventure mafia though not significantly differently.

[Ircher]

and titus told me it's a red flag that you would try to refer to the hydra by just her head nero

LMAO.

what do you think of Nero refusing to consider a town Radiant Moonlight world?

that's not how it works and you know that. Stop pretending like I should ignore my scum read on your slot b/c in some hypothetical you are town.

And that's how town loses.

[Ircher]

hard scumread shos right now.

When screenplay flips scum, we lynch shos.

Any objections????

Yes.

[Ircher]

the only person getting lynched tomorrow is Mewtaph

stop fucking forgetting that they jumped in in the middle of the day to hard defend the shit out of Aristophanes then stopped talking when it became inevitable

Why?

[Ircher]

lol @ momo xD

guys
this is bleeding obvious for me suddenly and I can't believe I didn't see it earlier.
The following faction had scum in it. Scum have a framer. they knew everything that was going on, and used it exactly as they should have. Since when can a person perform two actions on one night? both kill and investigate? (btw screenplay please say your result. trust me.)

also don't call me nuts, I can link you to a game in a second where I said OMG I bet *crazy shit* and the conftown is actually an SK and voila! SK endgamed me.

after screenplay posts his results I will continue with what I have. and probably out our own guilty.
Anyway. My cop result is 100% unmeddled with;

Who did you cop?

[Ircher]

VOTE: Srceen

L-1?

[Ircher]

Shos, share your info.

[Ircher]

Or I will keep my vote as-is.

[Ircher]

Shos, I think you are wrong.

[Ircher]

Nero, explain what shos is talking about?

[Ircher]

Notes:

1. 1876 by Srceen --> Refuses to claim -->

Why? Caught scum w/o a valid fakeclaim perhaps?

2. 1931 by Srceen --> Transcend is lying -->

If you are town, why can't you just fullclaim and show you are innocent?

3. 1937 by Transcend --> Srceen performed two actions last night -->

Care to give some more info than just that? How is that incriminaing by itself? (Though, I do agree that the fact Srceen just lied is probably a tell-tell sign of scum.)

4. 1965 by Zakk --> Says he thought Not_Mafia might be scum out of Abnegation (if one) -->

I was under the impression you townread us all? I guess it doesn't matter though.

5. 1967 by Elena --> Ircher = 2nd scumpick cuz something about dauntless not bussing -->

Umm.... what? What does Dauntless bussing have to do with me being scum?

6. 1984 by Uzi --> Ircher asking Creature to move is suspicious (?) -->

What's suspicious about it?

7. 2023 by Shos --> "Discard APL" lynches and lynch RM -->

That's interesting.... We already have one guilty, what's the case here?]/i]

8. 2040 by Srceen --> Thinks there's a false guilty or something -->

101 ways scum!Srceen denies he's scum. Seriously, this is a scum reaction to a guilty.

9. 2071 by Zakk --> Knows there's a busdriver -->

How do you know there's a bus driver?

[Ircher]

I claim compulsive bus driver.

I targeted RM and Srceen N1 and Creature and Momo N2.

[Ircher]

Also, I honestly think this game is multiball. Cuz the flips so far have been ridiculous.

[Ircher]

Serum abilities bypass roles.

[Ircher]

Player #1: Alban

--> 32 posts

1. 13 --> "excited" -->

RVS --> Null (0) / Null (0)

2. 236 --> 10 pages, can only catch up in evenings -->

Too early o tell, but this post looks like just excuses --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

3. 275 --> Complains about spam; some other content as well -->

Kinda don't understand what you are saying about me (what reads as naive in my 160?), the rest seems okay, but I feel that the post doesn't cover enough. Honestly though, you read more as just lazy right now. --> Null (0) / Null (0)

4. 392 and 393 --> Vote Wheme for spamming -->

This was brought up before, but it's important to bring it up again in this ISO read as a player read is the sum of the reads I have on each post. Anyway, why are you prioritizing a lynch based on policy over looking for/lynching scum. It's not a huge alarm bell -- town do silly stuff all the time -- but it's an important to understand your perspective, and why you did things. --> Suspicious (-1) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

5. 483 --> Asks why Keyser presumes he hasn't presented his reads yet -->

Maybe because you haven't? I mean, 275 was a start, but you haven't really presented any substandial reads (other than perhaps your policy-based one.) I don't like the hint of an accusatory tone in the post but it's by no means a definitive tell. --> Null (0) / Null (0)

6. 494 --> Stuff concerning people voting him cuz his Wheme vote -->

Tell me this -- why shouldn't people want to policy lynch you for being useless if you want to policy lynch Wheme for spamming? I remember that I was one of the ones who voted you for your vote (which I admit was a bit foolish and policy based), but you have to admit that people are gonna policy vote the ones who play anti-town. The real question is -- why aren't you taking a more proactive stance in the game? You obviously seem to have reads -- why aren't you pursuing them or expounding upon them? Instead, you continue to pursue your Wheme PL to the exclusion of all else. --> Suspicious (-1) / Null (0)

7. 496 --> Admits to little content in his iso, but says it's better thasn the litle content in Wheme's cuz of a lower posting density -->

I would like to know how you can make an RVS vote 200 posts into the game. This post honestly feels like a back-pedal from his vote, but at the same time, it feels town; the entire post reads as transparent and honest. An unvote would be nice (or some reads), but the post does show imo a pro-town outlook, just a controversial one. --> Town (+2) / Null (0)

8. 760 --> Something about wagons stalling -->

Need context.

9. 765 --> Says he's "tempted to vote Momo" and will try to participate more -->

Earlier you said Momo was lynchbait. What caused your stance to change OR am I misreading, and you don't really support the Momo wagon? --> Suspicious (-1) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

10. 766 --> Finds Keyser suspicious ("hunch") -->

Just a hunch? Nothing more? Ah well, can't blame ya; I've kinda been like that all game. No substandial reads, just a few hunches and surface level reads. --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

11. 783 --> Ramcius's vote looks like policy but wanna make sure -->

I like this post. Alban admits that the vote is fair if it's policy-based, and rather than OMGUS, he tries to establish a conversation between Ramcius and himself. The approach used here just reads as town. --> Town (+2) / Null (0)

12. 788 --> Refutes Ramcius's scumcase against him and votes Ramcius -->

I think this post takes a fair stance on the issue. It doesn't scream overtly town, but it does seem reasonable. --> Somewhat Town (+1) / Somewhat Content (+1)

13. 789 --> Laughs about Nero's post -->

Completely useless. --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

14. 792 --> Says Ramcius is tunnelling -->

And back we are to no-content!you. Ugh. --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

15. 794 --> Dares people to lynch him -->

Typical WIFOM and other shenanigans that both town and scum employ. --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

16. 1047 --> "I am back" -->

100% fluff, 0 content --> Null (0) / Fluff (-2)

17. 1048 --> Townread creature for something in faction pt but don't wanna say cuz people might jump -->

Explain to me how this makes logical sense. How can you townread a post yet think others will jump (aka scumread) him based on that post? --> Suspicious (-1) / Null (0)

18. 1305 --> Asks why Creature wants to incriminate you -->

Another useless post. And not a single real scumread in this ISO yet. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

19. 1309 --> Asks if Rb finds him scummy -->

See above comments. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

20. 1376 --> "I am bored" -->

Says the one who has done absolutely nothing thi game. If you are bored, why don't you change that by providing some actual content? --> Null (0) / Fluff (-2)

21. 1377 --> Didn't mean to say that aloud -->

But you did. And you are still doin' nothin' 'bout it. --> Null (0) / Fluff (-2)

22. 1383 --> "You wanna start a new wagon?" -->

Tone is too ggressiv here for my likes given what Alban has done. That said, 1377 is by no means a slip. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

23. 1384 --> Can't remember why he voted Ramcius -->

Zero content. Pretty much active lurking at this point. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

24. 1385 --> "This was for rb" -->

Spamming a bit, don't you think? See above. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

25. 1436 --> Says he has nothing substandial to contribute at the moment among other things -->

I don't like this post. 50+ pages in and nothing to say throughout the game? No. --> Suspicious (-1) / Active Lurking (-3)

26. 1438 and 1462 --> Not relevant to this game.

27. 1473 --> Scumreads: Ari y someone else -->

Elaborate. --> Null (0) / Null (0)

28. 2011 y 2031 --> Stuff to the mod.

Alignment Score: 0
Activity Score: -29 over 28 items --> ~1.0357
Base Score: (0 - 1.0357)(1.0357) ~ -1.0727
Adjusted Score: -0.2145

Final Score: -34.52% --> Neutral Leaning Scum

[Ircher]

Meant to do others during the night, but ISOs can be so boring at times.

[Ircher]

Fullclaim please.

[Ircher]

There's this thing called pm'ing the mod and asking.

[Ircher]

Ari, I joined late, that's true.

Srceen on the other hand was a matter of timezones and schedules; I joined as soon as I possibly can.

[Ircher]

And I joined late on Ari cuz I hadn't been paying attn to the thread as I should've been, and therefore, I had very poorly developed reads.

As a result, it was a last minute decision as to which I thought was more likely to flip scum since deadline was approaching.

[Ircher]

Why? Why one way?

Shos is not being very transparent about his guilty rn.

[Ircher]

Also, I honestly think this game is multiball. Cuz the flips so far have been ridiculous.

Icher love

why would that be

2 kills last night. Find it hard to believe there's a town vig when there's also the vig serum.

[Ircher]

Creature and Mewtaph are definitely town.
Wheme, momo, and Ramcius are probably town.
Keyser is lurking and more likely to be scum.
Zakk is town.
Alban is Neutral Scum.
Uzi is Neutral Scum.
Shos is possibly scum.
Rb is scum.

[Ircher]

Transcend is scum and Nero is possibly town.

BTD6 is null.

[Ircher]

Nice, I've been hammered.

[Ircher]

Gonna say that regardless of what I flip, I think an SK is likely, and I wouldn't be surprised if Keyser is the SK considering how little he has done this game compared to usual.

[Ircher]

Maybe, maybe not.

This game is prob. one of my worst games as I never was motivated to do a lot this game.

[Ircher]

Lynch one of the following tomorrow: {Uzi, Keyser, Transcend, rb}.

[Ircher]

Must you really, rb?

[Ircher]

I don't think spamming the thread is productive to town.

[Ircher]

Though may it seem
That my time is night,
Fear not!
For with tomorrow comes
A hope for greater things.

[Ircher]

Life is full of highs and lows, and
In time it will all fade away, yet
Life's memory will never fade.

Until it fades, just remember
Zero means nothing -- absolutely nothing --
It is the definition of faded colors.

Very few find peace now -- especially when
Eternity seems a long way away -- but
Remember that there's only one chance
To live, so make the most of it you can!

[Ircher]

Keeping up with life is tough
Especially when life is an agonizing pain,
Yet through it all I find
Success is defined by what you do,
Every word and every action,
Rewarding one's hard work.

Success comes from achieving your dreams,
Overcoming obstacles, and
Zeroing out your goals, and best of all,
Everyone can have a share of it.

[Ircher]

There's a place for everything
Regardless of what it is.
Although it may seem that
No matter what you do
Something seems wrong,
Challenge yourself
Each and every day to
Never to give up for
Dreams will come true.

[Ircher]

Reason not based on your own understanding
But based on the power invested in you by the Creator.

[Ircher]

How about you read them for a different outlook?

[Ircher]

No one told me this game finished!

Yeah, scum deserved to lose this one.

[Ircher]

I couldn't understand why mafia-LUV would needlesly f**k up his mafia team... (I was wrongly clinging onto WIFOM to defend LUV, I couldn't see him as SK-scum either (no SK-motivation in his play. Thus, I read him as town. He wasn't a town-read through content though.)

[Just read the mafia PT - they didn't know the serum's bypassed player abilities]

No we didn't (though it was kinda assumed but then kinda forgotten and left as ambiguous). There was also some kind of communication issue N1 otherwise we wouldn't have Srceen do two things.