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Hullo! The S in RVS stands for shitposts, right?
The main thing I picked up is that Gork is trying to insult the skill of players who scumread him rather than their arguments. On the flip side of this, all arguments thus far have been based on shitposting because we're early RVS, and a pre-game encounter in chat seemed to indicate that this is, regrettably, his playstyle.
I'm willing to be the little spoon because I want me a PT.
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Did someone say contentless? Did someone else say shitposting?
Hapless child, stares at his mother,
A provider, who disappears.
Newly longing, newly lonely-
Oh where has she gone? "Peekaboo!"
There! But too soon, she bids adieu.
And he is left there to ponder
brevity, though by no known name,
Reality, in oxymora-
Each beauty snatched by the dark,
And each flower tainted by fungi.
Doesn't see the face. Just the hand.
Can't imagine what can't be seen.
Reality, in - - "Peekaboo!"
"Uuh guu guu, weeuhbuweeow!"
"My child, you have yet to learn of pain-
Because darkness now's not darkness again."
I've been quiet for a while.-
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Woah, I'm gonna need more time with the actual posting here to put some reads together, but I'm suspicious of the Eddie wagon. Not because I disagree that Eddie's behaviour is a bit scummy, because it is, but because of how the wagon has formed.
I think Frog townread Bella for a combination of meta/familiarity and, more importantly, being on the Eddie bandwagon. I'm suspicious of Frog and Random from that wagon.-
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Well, Alisae, you're the only one here who knows anything about my playstyle.
I just asked Frog a question and got a fairly respectable answer from it, but I'm not completely convinced so I need to figure out where to go from there. I don't know if Random is about right now and I only decided I scumread him after reviewing the wagon.-
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On Random: My read is based on 359, primarily. I don't think he actually gave us any information, but he was certainly concise and direct about it as though he was doing so.
And Frog, don't dismiss me like that. You had valid reasons when you actually gave me them, and you know full well that is not the use of meta reads that is making me scumread you.-
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Wait, how am I the one shooting down anyone? Frog dismissed my argument as something it wasn't. He's being passive aggressive here. I don't think he's trying to make me seem like I'm scum, but he's definitely trying to discredit me as a bad town.
Ali, you're the only person in this game I can meta-read and the only time you've been scum, you were SK and the way our little exchange went forced some differences in play. But I'm going to townread you for your total lack of subtlety in general here.
I'm actually townreading Bella because Frog reasoning is pretty solid and nobody has challenged his ability to meta-read Bella. I don't trust my opinions on the hydras, because I've never played with hydras before and there being 2 people fucks with the way I tend to read.
There's been a lot of shitposting that I'd have to wade through 2-3 more times in order to really get a feel for everyone, and we're getting into an actual conversation here with plenty of IRL time to go, so I'm not sure it's worth doing that.
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Wait, that puts Eddie on L-1. I'm gonna calm my shit and
unvote: Eddiebyte
but I find that shiqf vote to be an opportunistic and vain attempt to start a counterwagon.
PEdit: Ali, it's not a metaread. Please think of a point at which you were far less subtle than I am being right now, noting that I am being pretty damn unsubtle about this.-
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My reasoning for the Eddie vote is right after the vote. It's the shiqf vote and failure to the valid criticisms of his play that caused him to have so many votes on him. I didn't realise at the time he was L-2.
And again, seriously, my read on Alisae is not so much meta based, more a post with a total lack of subtlety that I don't believe I should bring up again.
Ali meta-reading me is amusing. I adapt my playstyle. The principal difference overall is level of skill. When I was playing town off-site. I was pushing really blatantly obvious misplays. When I was scum off-site, I was able to hide in the convenient neighbourhood and manipulate without any real risk of people catching on. There is no way I could reliably manipulate people I do not know in any way. Actually, I do know something about you lot. A lot of people seem to think this is one hell of a playerlist, which implies most players here are at least pretty good at the game. I'm not going to try shit.
PEdit: True, I'm not at all used to this climate. With hindsight, Frog was using that to discredit my scumread of him. I disagree strongly with his methodology but it's not inherently scummy, and presumably especially so here?
PEdit2: Eddie, what is your read on me? "Interesting" is not a read.-
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I was suspicious of Frog because on a similar line of reasoning but he's a light townread now for other reasons.
If you want to make a case against someone then do it. Cultivating general suspicion is not a town play in my eyes, and if you want to spin it to making sure everyone has their wits about them then please assume people are quite attached to their wits unless you have a reason to disagree.-
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How desperate are people for bonds? Are you asking people seriously or in a shitposty manner?
In general, my first thoughts are that you might want to make it clear whether you're going active or passive, and that there's got to be a weird one-way trust thing going on. The passive member needs to townread the active. The reverse does not have to be true.
On the other hand, you might not want to make that clear because roleblocking and such.
I guess there's a temptation to be in it for the ride, so to speak. Ignoring that euphemism, it looks like a pretty fun mechanic and, when all's said and done, I for one would like a PT.-
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I'm pretty happy, actually. It's my default state.
Alisae, I actually townread ThinkBig just because he's deaf. He can't fake someone else not being able to post, right? So I have no reason to doubt that this is fact. Next up, we have to consider why a scum role would have this modifier, and I just can't see it happening. It smells of balance changes to make a town role weaker. I don't really think it would make scum any weaker.-
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I mean I'm not familiar with the abbreviation and can't find it what it means from the internet.
Titus has been happily shitposting for some time now. I assume this is how she normally plays day 1? Nobody has flaffed it. Anyways, she seems quite happy to go with a passive bond and has made no indication that they would benefit from being the active. There was some random voting before the Eddie bandwagon.
All in all, this amounts to be not having the faintest idea at this point in time and I'm not going to pretend I have a read here.
And Alisae, it can definitely be faked. If mafia wanted to pair up without linking to each other in order that one of them got buffed until one of them died, it would be a pretty nice way of doing it. I do believe you though.
Pedit: Woah thinkbig with the claim. That's a confirmed town now, right?-
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Tonewise, I don't have enough posts here to know normality. There is nothing different throughout. He is keeping to the same tone and the same story.
He is, however, wrong about the no-bonding being easily provable, for obvious reasons.
PEdit: It would be town utility, wouldn't it? I guess I'm assuming things are predictable like that. Maybe I am wrong after all.-
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"Fake" is not a tone. Aggressive is a tone. Soft is a tone, harsh is a tone, mayonnaise is not a tone.
Thinkbig's has been informative, generally speaking. What he has said has been slightly contradictory, that is, "I was thinking about claiming ok full. However, I still have a few questions about my role. " followed by the claim. The "However" indicates that he was not going to claim. That, and the testability of Alisae's negative utility, are both contradictory.
The combination of an informative tone and a contradictory nature is not a great one, but I don't think it points to scum in this case. I need to see him talking about reads before we get anywhere with tone.-
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I like waiting for people to give an inkling that they have reads before I start reading people, because I believe tone is a really important tool for scumhunting and you can't really analyse tone without knowing what people think about other people.
You're not looking for any specific tone by itself. You're looking for one that is itself out of place. I don't think Alisae has much of a case here, and I've been able to match his trains of thought in the past.-
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Okay, so I assume that translates as you townreading Alisae. Got it. You seem insincere but you clearly know the game, how to push, how to respond. Nobody's called you on this so I assume it's par for the course for you. So why do you townread Ali? What is the extent of the read?
And the real question, of course, is do you have your own reasoning for the ThinkBig vote?
PEdit: So, Alisae, you're basing it off a lack of emotion? That would be the informative tone. And I don't find that suspicious because he has given us actual information with it. I think he's commenting on the number of pages because he needs to read them all and wants to affirm that.-
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Titus' 773 there is scummy as anything.
Or at least confused. I could assign people numbers and throw darts at a dartboard and get 3 scumreads. Make a case or you're just going to slip into nothing. Coasting is not town play.
PEdit: You think you're helping town here, Titus? If you've set traps I'd like to see them, because if they exist they're bullshit and have caught at least 1 town. Justify your play.-
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SC2 mafia was my first experience of mafia, and I played that a hell of a lot. Not like forum mafia, but it's closer to forum mafia than ToS ever will be to it.
I've played plenty of these kinds of games IRL, too. It's one of the defaults for my friend group. Obviously, days are shorter, games are less complex, and there's more body language involved, but that's still a thing.
My forum mafia experience is limited. I've only played offsite. I don't believe the rules permit me linking other sites. I have played with Alisae there, and he brought me here.
IRL I'm studying psychology at university and have a penchant for scientific method and logic, if you want to factor any background in.
PEdit: JJ the cat's fault, not JJ the me, right? I WAS eating tuna when you made that post.-
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Yes, but without firm reads I can't see an agreement being made.
One player has to be able to trust the other with an enhanced action, while losing their own, otherwise neither player gets an action. That means 1 player has to townread the other, but it doesn't have to be reciprocated. In fact, you could scumread a player and still bond with them, as if you fail to reach an agreement or are the active, you are essentially roleblocking them. But you need a read or it's not worth doing imo.-
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TB has done nothing but shitpost since he revealed his role. I still think that would probably be a town role btw, but the way he's handled people voting him and asking him questions has been shit.
HOWEVER, I don't think we should lynch him today, scum or not. His role can only be beneficial to town. We just need to decide on a town member to pair with him to get that person a free active pairing in the bond and the ability to talk in night 2.-
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The fuck is happening with TB? Is this a meta self-deprecating ATE? I'm with you on calling it unethical, Frog. The question is, would scum!TB destroy every last shred of future credibility with a last ditch attempt to sway the town with... this? I think TB is just a horrendously frustrated town now. If he actually pulled this shit off as scum, what would be the meta-consequences?-
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I'm october 8th.
And what, you're saying that I would defend town!TB for towncred? I assure you, I do not know TB's alignment but I take his breaking down to be sincere and personally believe that it would be worse on so many levels to break down like that as scum. I do not think he is a terrible person, as Frog seems to be implying. If you townread someone who is on the chopping block, you should always speak up.-
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