Spring Fever (Endgame)

[Eddiebyte]

uh ok i reached vecna's catchup posts

this is still coached scum

like this is bullshit

why do aelita's posts look coached to you?

i do agree it's weird for her to be active (based on who i think she is?) but to me i think that's from being excited to play as a character she picked

i also dont get your fire scumread at all but since you maintain it i'm going to presume you stick to it so it develops beyond rvs posts?

~giggles

pedit: still want ur stuff on heartless too

[Eddiebyte]

VOTE: Vecna

Because scum role can have town utility and still be scum role and flavor is not indicative of alignment either. Go read SU2 mafia for details on how scum role can have town flavor and town utility and still be a scum role.

So basicly, you're voting Vecna because A. They're argueing that their role has town utility and B. They're argueing that their flavor makes them town.

A I understand, but as for B, isn't this ultimately NAI? What makes it scum indicative here instead of town indicative.

Read SU2 mafia is all I'll say.

Why can't you just explain it to me instead of giving me busy work ;~;

scum got a shitton of towncred from being able to mod-confirm they were vanilla i think

that game was bs though shadow was obvscum, rr was obvscum, and kraska and creature were obvtown

[Eddiebyte]

I think vecna is probably town and I was wrong about tb

giga and I will go iron out a reads thing since clearly we have different opinions rn rofl


-cane

[Eddiebyte]

I think I'd like to lynch one of: heartless, eddiebyte, Titus

this is a terrible lynchpool :/

titus is maybescum but that's if jj is town or if i like her responses to my questions

[Eddiebyte]

also I don't think he's town because of his role and disagree scum would never have that role

[Eddiebyte]

titus is maybescum but that's if jj is town

Why

i think both of them have been playing in really off ways but they aren't scum together

or do you mean the specific reads

[Eddiebyte]

And when were you planning on unvoting me

nice try

i'll unvote you if you do something town

otherwise i'm donestral with you

[Eddiebyte]

ugh i have so many tabs open in the mainthread alone i keep losing my space

[Eddiebyte]

titus can you answer the questions i've asked you?

~giggles

[Eddiebyte]

You are suggesting I would not have had time to read the posts again, google "Slayer's Gambit" and read the wiki page in the 3 minutes between making the post and Alisae dropping the link?

What reason do I have to lie?

Yup. Your response before my pedit read like you already knew what it was. Ooh, can I use a football ref gif for this one. I think I will.

i dont get why that'd be scummy though titus are you insinuating that he's lying about his experience or already knew that you were pulling slayer's gambit?

://

~giggles

(also im just going to multitask )

The latter

Well, in that case, isn't he more likely to

not

push you as scum if he already knows you're deliberately acting scummy to bait scum?

[Eddiebyte]

oops sorry quote pyramid

[Eddiebyte]

Hm... OK, I'll take another look at his posts then because I think I'm leaning him over you.

Alisae you never got back to me btw about your jj read.

[Eddiebyte]

jj reads as really obvious town to me

are you even voting for a scumread

I'm out of action on my computer for a bit. My monitor broke last night but hooray for Amazon prime - normal service will resume some time tomorrow. Posting on my phone will not be as frequent.

And Vecna, yours is an interesting situation. I'd offer to bond but I want a PT I can talk in, and I'm fairly sure Aelita was in the same position. That's why I find it a little odd that Aelita would offer to bond with you.

Speaking of Aelita,

Vote: Aelita

Still another lhf vote. Right after she votes Vecna too.

yeah i had basically the same reaction

[Eddiebyte]

The way jj approached Titus and pushed them makes me think that jj is probably town.

Can you be more specific? I thought it got a bit superficial and the way he's acting like scum wouldn't tunnel is kind of dumb especially considering this is titus we're talking about

[Eddiebyte]

AELITA WHAT IS YOUR READ ON VECNA SLOT IGNORING THE CLAIM STUFF

[Eddiebyte]

quote? might've missed it

[Eddiebyte]

are you even voting for a scumread

Just did. I'm voting Titus

why is she scum

[Eddiebyte]

JJ has gone after low hanging fruit the entire game. He immediately TRed me once he saw I wasn't an easy mislynch.

titus how likely do you think jj/mcmenno/dunn/vecna is because while i havent finished reading all of vecna's catchups i dont like his push on aelita at all and dont really agree with his push on heartless so him being scum is pretty likely

only thing that bugs me is that jj/mcmenno/dunn probably isn't all scum because of the way jj's approaching mcmenno/dunn's bond

[Eddiebyte]

^ that's really cute

ty

i dont understand how someone as adorbs as me is still single after a month

[Eddiebyte]

JJ has gone after low hanging fruit the entire game. He immediately TRed me once he saw I wasn't an easy mislynch.

titus how likely do you think jj/mcmenno/dunn/vecna is because while i havent finished reading all of vecna's catchups i dont like his push on aelita at all and dont really agree with his push on heartless so him being scum is pretty likely

only thing that bugs me is that jj/mcmenno/dunn probably isn't all scum because of the way jj's approaching mcmenno/dunn's bond

I think bellaphant more likely than mcmenno

why? i think i asked you earlier but i liked her vote on me - the thought process was pretty transparent

[Eddiebyte]

^ that's really cute

ty

i dont understand how someone as adorbs as me is still single after a month

typical d&der

wow ok and this comes from someone who also plays mmos

[Eddiebyte]

the thought process was pretty transparent

What was the thought process?

why dont you read her post first?

[Eddiebyte]

VOTE: eddie

awkward posting.

am happy to hide in the neighbourhood. everyone knows i hate larges, why am i here?

oh yeah, rc asked me and the playerlist is dank.

@ali, his posting is mostly shit posting but it's the wrong feel of shit posting. with fire and titus in the game i think i'm allowed soul reads.

he's pushing dunn for odd reasons and isnt even consistent with it, his post about his bond feels fake. their shit with trands feels buddying too.

It's fake. the over use of smilies, especially the death one, the forced casuallness of it. its also super contentless. there's a lot of reading t get through ntil you get some occasional actual thought processes, like in 273.

@frog, you called me babe so i'll take it.

[Eddiebyte]

nice way to like

not show all of the relevant posts

[Eddiebyte]

YOU SAID "POST"

arent we being picky

[Eddiebyte]

@Nebby Basically, if they have a good fakeclaim, scum can appear to have a strong town utility, but it doesn't make them any less scum.

DGB: "Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity."

What are your thoughts on the rest of Vecna's AND TB's play? I'm more interested in this then why you think the claim is fake.

There is such a thing as mod-provided fakeclaim. With that, I still stand by what I said.

i would think a mod wouldn't provide scum with a fakeclaim with something provable in it unless they actually had it

can you answer eddie's question about your scumread on vecna/tb? take their claim out of it as best as you can

~giggles

[Eddiebyte]

nice way to like

not show all of the relevant posts

You're still dodging the question - I asked you to explain the transparent thought process. I didn't want to see it for myself

the point of a transparent thought process is that it's visible without explanation

but like i liked how she's looking for actual thought process in 391 sine i was deliberately trying to hide that until i was pressured for it. the multifaceted aspect of the read is townie too

[Eddiebyte]

You can go at this ace attorney style if you want.

lawyer joke

[Eddiebyte]

jj, is, like, really hard to read

-canemaster9000

[Eddiebyte]

How the hell do I even know who the lhf is? I know none of you. I find it highly unlikely that everyone I've been pushing could be considered lynchbaity unless you consider literally everyone lhf.

honestly i think it's kind of obvious that aelita is lhf in general....................

Well, that's mostly based on role stuff. If you want non-role stuff, try again later, cos Navy has left the building.

proving my point

~giggles

[Eddiebyte]

vote: dunnstral

vote: dunnstral

vote: dunnstral

vote: dunnstral

vote: dunnstral

vote: dunnstral

vote: dunnstral

vote: dunnstral

vote: dunnstral

vote: dunnstral

vote: dunnstral

vote: dunnstral

thats a hammer i think.

bye dunnfucko

[Eddiebyte]

You've been aggressive towards me from game start

i mean at that time i've been shitposting at gamestart but regardless of your alignment you're getting at my nerves so i dont really know what you're expecting

[Eddiebyte]

MESSAGE TO DUNNSTRAL AND GIGA

SHUT UP

THANKS.

[Eddiebyte]

9.9

[Eddiebyte]

why are you scumreading us. all I've seen is you and giga have some useless personal qrguments, but at least giga gave reasons for voting you. iirc you haven't done anything substantial wrt us.

[Eddiebyte]

hey gork

fucj u

[Eddiebyte]

I also have a light tr on heartless so that could stand to be explained

[Eddiebyte]

do you have experience with heartless from before this game?

not really

why is eddiegigaguy scum?

Giga keeps railroading back to me when I'm not relevant/ even doing anything to them

Says I'm annoying them when I hadn't even interacted with them (I asked them to bond too and they seemed against that)

I've got experience reading Giga as well

what is your expectation of scumGiga in general?

I don't think giga has ever rolled scum

so, to be clear, you have experience reading the person you've only seen as one alignment?

-lord cane

[Eddiebyte]

also, are you suggesting giga should ignore you if you aren't interacting with our slot? it's pretty obvious how you can be seen as annoying, and it's not railroading if you aren't doing anything townie.

[Eddiebyte]

at least giga gave reasons for voting you.

Weird way to talk about your own slot

own slot, not own person.

[Eddiebyte]

also, are you suggesting giga should ignore you if you aren't interacting with our slot? it's pretty obvious how you can be seen as annoying

You guys are acting like I've been targeting you

Don't twist this

i'm scumreading u for the exact opposite actually /:

[Eddiebyte]

giggles ^

but im still busy

[Eddiebyte]

also, are you suggesting giga should ignore you if you aren't interacting with our slot? it's pretty obvious how you can be seen as annoying

You guys are acting like I've been targeting you

Don't twist this

see? now you're annoying me. stop answering like a Titus

[Eddiebyte]

(lawyer)

[Eddiebyte]

btw vecna shiqf said he's on vla for the weekend so I'm expecting reasoning after

-caneyadigit

[Eddiebyte]

he hasn't posted since iirc

[Eddiebyte]

The way jj approached Titus and pushed them makes me think that jj is probably town.

Can you be more specific? I thought it got a bit superficial and the way he's acting like scum wouldn't tunnel is kind of dumb especially considering this is titus we're talking about

gigs I keep on forgetting your stuff ;~;

There were points where I can say "This is jj being frustrated, and it's probably town frustration over scum frustration" because I think jj just didn't like how Titus was approaching the game here.
Also remember when you or eddie (don't remember which) talked about the votes on your wagon. Yeah, jj's sarcasm because you tried to push him there screamed town to me.

twas me

-canecun

[Eddiebyte]

lol eddies joking alisae

i'll be back home in like half an hour probs

[Eddiebyte]

when dunn posts I just see words

[Eddiebyte]

lol eddies joking alisae

i'll be back home in like half an hour probs

hi i'm here let's finish this

15 PAGES TO GO

i havent been counting lmao

[Eddiebyte]

Dunn, you still haven't saud why you scumread heartless.

-scanedelous

[Eddiebyte]

edgy

disagree

[Eddiebyte]

im actually an anarcho-communist ftr but marxist-leninists have better memes

[Eddiebyte]

Scumread on Firebringer increasing, too much clever little posting still going on from the slot at this point.

like from what i've experienced with fire this is such a shallow reason to sr him

all he did was shitpost

[Eddiebyte]

Fire continues to shitpost, and shitpost, and shitpost. Up until this point he hasnt made a single post with actually game related content. Not used to this posting style. Scumread intensifies.

do you actually have a reason to scumread his content though

[Eddiebyte]

But arent you happy with the replacement giga?

i mean i like you but i really don't like your catchups so far

trying to keep an open mind but

[Eddiebyte]

Im starting to get the feeling theres 1 scum in Frog/Alisae. Hi Alisae, how is this making you feel?

yeah no

1004

Ok, this wall is actually kind of pretty. I havent played with scum-giga, so im not sure if theyre capable of fabricating this train of thought, but it looks pretty towny - allthough ive never seen them post anything close to this elaborate as town before halfway into day1, so it could -maybe maybe- also be some scum posting, but most likely not.

vecna you're throwing scumreads at what feels like literally everything and when something is townie you hedge off a bit but still try to scumread it

like i even said in that wall up top that i dont normally wallpost but my depressive episode hit me hard and i kind of wanted to take my time and think about what i was posting for once

i used to wall more often but my point always got lost and i find it more fun to spam anyway

[Eddiebyte]

This dude just keeps at it. Its page fucking fourty-five at this point. Still not a single content-post

VOTE: Firebringer

Can we like, lynch this slot?

vecna can you convince me you're not just scumreading fire because he's the weakest link from all of the universal townreads?

like when i'm starting to be townread, you push that i'm posting weirdly from normal

when ali and fro99er are starting to work together more openly you say that there's one scum between them

i'm starting to notice a pattern here

im actually an anarcho-communist ftr but marxist-leninists have better memes

shouldnt true communism naturally be anarchist?

and on that note IM FINISHED CATCHING UP WOOH

obviously i'm going to say yes

[Eddiebyte]

random can you give a readlist just so i can see where your head is at

[Eddiebyte]

brb but i feel caught up enough

alright time for what i remember form skim reading the entire game while semi conscious
i acc think shiqf is town for his readslist. it seemed contrived. but i think that newb town is more likely to make a contrived readslist than newb scum.
vec is in this game yay sry we cant bond unless u are scum in which case its a good thing
bella working on a question.
i feel like we should be talking about Titus' attitude to Vecna tbh. p sure they arent scum together
UNVOTE:
thought id already done this
VOTE: transcend
still my top scumread
eddiebyte is now a town read
heartless might be scum bc they are good but idk same for gork
alisae is def town
fr0g, jjh and bella are all town.

talk to me about jjh as town?

trans isn't scum i'm like 100% sure about this so can you go into why

also i forgot about shiqf i kept telling eddie i was going to read him but i wasnt (also thats a really weird way to townread someone................... can you bms)

pedit: yes you're right

[Eddiebyte]

what does bms mean? and ik the reason is really weird

be more specific

also wasnt trans an uninformed traitor that game i'd imagine he'd play that similar to his town game considering he's..................... uninformed

[Eddiebyte]

jjh's pushes on Titus feel genuine and there insistence on going after LHF after being called out for it makes it seem like they dont care

i'm not really getting the same vibe considering he claims he doesn't know who the lhf are :/

can someone explain at my face why bella is town
because i havent thought that about any of her posts since earlygame
and i want to be patient about it
but im getting impatient about it.

I liked her vote on us and the proceeding posts?? idk it felt like she was tried to figure us out

Why do you think she'd be scum?

[Eddiebyte]

oh i guess you wanted post-early game stuff gork uh

honestly none of it has really made me want to change my read on her so?? i'd still like to know why you're scum(?)reading her

[Eddiebyte]

He figured out the scum team pretty quickly in that game.

?

also ok that does make sense - i was waiting for an answer before i actually look at his iso so let's see if i agree

[Eddiebyte]

tbh i feel like shiqf at least being able to pick out content to make a serious post implies he has limited(?) experience in forum mafia but he's still newbie

like usually in the newbie queue people have no idea what's ai but voting gork makes sense i guess

the point i'm trying to make though is i think him backing off so easily is that if he's scum he knows it's going to be a poorly recieved move and maybe double down on it instead

so yeah random i'm cool putting him as my weakest tr but i'd at least like to see how he justifies those reads because that probably makes the difference in newbtown posturing reads vs. scum trying to be contrarian or something

mean he was playing with knowledge of scum for most of the game.

OH trans

i wasnt paying attention at all honestly to that game so i might read it later but ive a lot of meta i said i'd read and just havent so

[Eddiebyte]

i'm scumreading u for the exact opposite actually /:

what?

oh i missed this

yeah uh you didn't vote for me when you fos'd me and instead parked on gork

so explain what your thought process was because you havent given me a good answer yet

[Eddiebyte]

i'll try not to

flirt

fight with dunn too much but still like he's being..................................................... a pest

sorry eddie

[Eddiebyte]

Giga keeps railroading back to me when I'm not relevant/ even doing anything to them

Says I'm annoying them when I hadn't even interacted with them (I asked them to bond too and they seemed against that)

I've got experience reading Giga as well

you've interacted with me plenty before i suspected you tyvm

and calling us scummy when we're the leading wagon but not voting us or doing anything is certainly........... doing something

[Eddiebyte]

wow jj rc was supposed to get that pagetop

idk where he is tho (both random and rc i pm'd him on skype a while ago to get the pagetop )

[Eddiebyte]

i mostly agree with her in that you're likely scum and you've been pushing on lynchbaity players (aelita and titus are prime examples) but i'm indifferent towards the whole slayer's gambit thing

Fine.
Though I would like a short version if that would be possible.

this would help too

[Eddiebyte]

Can we get to lynching now?

wanted to see the vc but i'm going to vote for whoever has more votes between vecna and dunn

[Eddiebyte]

me and shiqf, may be more im not remembering

titus is lhf imo

[Eddiebyte]

and aelita but thats not even imo that's just a fact

[Eddiebyte]

me and shiqf, may be more im not remembering

titus is lhf imo

yeah its weird

not really?

it's really easy to make a superficial push on someone whose logic is known to be weird

[Eddiebyte]

titus is being weird this game is what i meant

no clue how to read titus still so weird!titus = titus to me

[Eddiebyte]

i liked randoms last few posts? why are you still scumreading him

also why am i null?

~giggles (forgot signing was a thing lmao)

[Eddiebyte]

I'm scared of hydras

yeah i'm scary

thats why they call me giggles

oh i guess you wanted post-early game stuff gork uh

honestly none of it has really made me want to change my read on her so?? i'd still like to know why you're scum(?)reading her

i dont really feel like her last few posts have felt very genuine.

i'll take a second look then i guess hold on

[Eddiebyte]

@menno, random, shiqf, ael -

Come tell me one thing about the game you are certain about, one thing you would like to be clearer on, and one question for me. Most of you are null as fuck, come talk to me <3

tbh i thought this was a pretty good post in terms of game advancement

the questions are thought provoking and i feel like low-content posting scum is going to focus more on asking questions on whatever the hot topic is if anything rather than try to engage with inactive posters - and maybe if she did choose to do so the questions would be much lazier

plus none of her posts strike me as

disingenuous

. does bella usually appear more genuine as town?

[Eddiebyte]

oh hold on i remember i had a question for heartless i forgot

I WAS PROMISED A MOTHERFUCKKING PAGE TOP YOU FUCKING

burh u came way too late

[Eddiebyte]

I am now caught up with the game! Yay! \^_^/
I'll be around for the next hour or so if anyone wants to chat with me in between writing other posts.

ok i thought you specifically were asking for questions here lmao but i was still wondering

what reads are the two of you disagreeing on? i'm not seeing much dissonance between either of you and while i'm assuming that's not showing because you're familiar with how to hydra in a not-shitty way (lol @me) i'm still curious

[Eddiebyte]

VLA until Monday. NASCAR

VROOM

yessssssss now my goal of becoming top poster for this game will be THAT much easier!!!!!!!

[Eddiebyte]

Do I have anything else I need to respond to?

since you cleared up you weren't really trying to push aelita (..............) no

i asked you why the stuff you pushed her for was alignment indicative lmao

VOTE: Eddiebyte

vote: frogger

meanie!!!!

[Eddiebyte]

yeah i figured, i've followed a couple of your games

[Eddiebyte]

aww titus

honestly with some normal sleep my depressive episode isnt super debilitating so far so that's good

/hugs <3

[Eddiebyte]

Does RC even want theae pagetops?

I KEEP SKYPING HIM BUT HE'S NOT RESPONDING

[Eddiebyte]

wait is giga scumreading me for no reason

again

~Narna

well

not no reason but yeah

[Eddiebyte]

~giga

[Eddiebyte]

~giga

eddie why

Do people really hate the enel face that much? I mean, One Piece has plenty of other characters doing the same face I can switch to.

[Eddiebyte]

Jesus this game is long.
If it gets past 100 pages day one I am checking out

dude thats in like 8 pages we're not getting a lynch by then

[Eddiebyte]

fire

[Eddiebyte]

heck no

[Eddiebyte]

stay for me at least?

~giggles

[Eddiebyte]

nice vote

what's your read on vecna btw?

[Eddiebyte]

i dont get that thought process at all fire

if you dont think it makes sense for him to fos you like that why would you townread him?

like yeah town can be wrong but in your position and considering my own read it doesn't really make sense :/

[Eddiebyte]

i'm not sure if vecna or dunn is bigger and i keep waiting for the vc

[Eddiebyte]

Dunn what's your vecna read

~giggles

[Eddiebyte]

why

[Eddiebyte]

Lynch dunnstral in next 8 pages or I will do something

((if it's replace out could we still lynch vecna))

[Eddiebyte]

Role + play

Ever since vecna replaced TB he's been walling good stuff - I feel he's different to double deck too (that sounds generic but he really kind of does feel that way)

roleplay

er

can you be specific about that like

??? his reads are all over the place it feels like he's trying to disrupt forming townblocs (like fro99er/alisae as scum? i really dont buy it)

i wanna say his catchup walls were similar there too so but i dont actually remember

[Eddiebyte]

BRING ME THE FIRE

[Eddiebyte]

dunn has/still/ not explained his heartless sr. can we rope him boys?

[Eddiebyte]

IT'S GUT LOSER

I don't have anything else to say

oh man

[Eddiebyte]

??? his reads are all over the place

it feels like he's trying to disrupt forming townblocs

This seems to be making a lot of assumptions

well yeah

thats why my vote isnt on him buddy and i'm still sorting him

i need him to talk to me

[Eddiebyte]

oh man do i have to explain why sometimes you dont always vote your top scumread

[Eddiebyte]

oh man do i have to explain why sometimes you dont always vote your top scumread

Is a few days into day 1 one of those times

yes

[Eddiebyte]

i say yes

more votes = more pressure = more sorting

come on man

[Eddiebyte]

why does aelita's push give you bad vibes...? it's bad yeah but

i'm not exactly expecting quality from her

[Eddiebyte]

like the way she's referencing su2 makes me feel like the scumread is really personal to her

They're suddenly pushing the claim not the slots play over all.

idk i want to see her respond to your question about it first but i dont see much issue

[Eddiebyte]

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay fire <3

[Eddiebyte]

only one more post before i surpass fro99er

[Eddiebyte]

fro99er: surpassed

[Eddiebyte]

Stop spamming?

this is a riot coming from you

[Eddiebyte]

nancy should stop lurking imo

and i mean in general you're usually a top poster

[Eddiebyte]

~transcend

[Eddiebyte]

Dunnstral (4): EddieByte, Gorkington, Transcend, Bellaphant
Transcend (3): Firebringer, Heartless, Randomidget
Vecna (3): Titus, Mcmenno, Aelita

VOTE: vecna

with fire's vote vecna and dunn should have the same number of votes now

spicy

[Eddiebyte]

anti are you guys still scumreading trans?

[Eddiebyte]

i hope u like lead

coincidence it's this songs birthday

14 years old can u believe it

[Eddiebyte]

Dunnstral (4): EddieByte, Gorkington, Transcend, Bellaphant
Transcend (3): Firebringer, Heartless, Randomidget
Vecna (3): Titus, Mcmenno, Aelita

VOTE: vecna

with fire's vote vecna and dunn should have the same number of votes now

spicy

why

[Eddiebyte]

Dunnstral (4): EddieByte, Gorkington, Transcend, Bellaphant
Transcend (3): Firebringer, Heartless, Randomidget
Vecna (3): Titus, Mcmenno, Aelita

VOTE: vecna

with fire's vote vecna and dunn should have the same number of votes now

spicy

why

dueling counterwagons on scumreads sounds pretty fucking cool

plus i want to see how that affects people who havent decided who to vote for/are vanitying

[Eddiebyte]

like i'm definitely looking back at this vc after some flips and maybe the next few

[Eddiebyte]

doesn't saying in advance you're going to do vca kinda ruin vca

[Eddiebyte]

then again fuck vca lmao

[Eddiebyte]

doesn't saying in advance you're going to do vca kinda ruin vca

i guess but if they're both scum it's still going to be interesting

and it's not really vca i guess

[Eddiebyte]

I guess voting vecna is fine but dunn hasn't really done anything to warrant not being lynched atm

[Eddiebyte]

I guess voting vecna is fine but dunn hasn't really done anything to warrant not being lynched atm

dude

i completely agree

[Eddiebyte]

Dunnstral (4): EddieByte, Gorkington, Transcend, Bellaphant
Transcend (3): Firebringer, Heartless, Randomidget
Vecna (3): Titus, Mcmenno, Aelita

VOTE: vecna

with fire's vote vecna and dunn should have the same number of votes now

spicy

so you think 2 of these wagons are scum?

[Eddiebyte]

that would make transcend the current counterwagon and idk I don't see it as cwey but then again these are tiny ads wagons so it might just be irrelevant

[Eddiebyte]

This isn't your hydra pt.

lol is dunn annoying you too

[Eddiebyte]

Dunnstral (4): EddieByte, Gorkington, Transcend, Bellaphant
Transcend (3): Firebringer, Heartless, Randomidget
Vecna (3): Titus, Mcmenno, Aelita

VOTE: vecna

with fire's vote vecna and dunn should have the same number of votes now

spicy

so you think 2 of these wagons are scum?

i'm reading them both as scum at the moment yes...?

This isn't your hydra pt.

[Eddiebyte]

yeah i have a collection of reaction images

[Eddiebyte]

Man, it's almost like you had that prepared and were waiting to use it

explain?

[Eddiebyte]

Dunnstral (4): EddieByte, Gorkington, Transcend, Bellaphant
Transcend (3): Firebringer, Heartless, Randomidget
Vecna (3): Titus, Mcmenno, Aelita

VOTE: vecna

with fire's vote vecna and dunn should have the same number of votes now

spicy

so you think 2 of these wagons are scum?

i'm reading them both as scum at the moment yes...?

This isn't your hydra pt.

okay, but then do you think the trans wagon is scum or just a thing

[Eddiebyte]

okay, but then do you think the trans wagon is scum or just a thing

this is why i want flips

the scunn has a point though can we take this to the pt :/

[Eddiebyte]

we don't have the highest postcount yet

[Eddiebyte]

eddie that's one of my reaction pictures

[Eddiebyte]

just because giga types faster than you doesn't mean it was preplanned

[Eddiebyte]

dunn

eddie

it's a copy pasta and i have a template for that

i could probably whip it up in 10 seconds if i wanted to but it's in my folder for reaction pictures

this is a pointless discussion can we shut up tyvm

[Eddiebyte]

don't be modest

[Eddiebyte]

okay back to serious business

if that vc my partner posted was legit why is half the game not voting

[Eddiebyte]

has there been an actual vc?

[Eddiebyte]

if that vc my partner posted was legit

It's not

yeah i just went and edited a vc as propaganda to advance my evil communist agenda go me

has there been an actual vc?

we're getting one but the one i quoted is the latest

[Eddiebyte]

VOTE: dunn

l-1 or 2 idk

-canery

[Eddiebyte]

I think it's actually l-3 I forgot it wasn't 7 to hammer

[Eddiebyte]

how does vecna play as scum?

[Eddiebyte]

The reason I want you lynched is simple: my brain is telling me you are scum, because when I see your posts, I cannot help but think of someone who tricked me into believing they're town but were scum, and I refuse to let that happen again. Therefore, I promised myself that I will always scumread someone if there's even a miniscule amount of evidence against them to avoid being tricked again like that.

Basically, it's better to be paranoid and wrong than to be too trusting and feel like an idiot afterwards.

so he's scum because he beat you as scum before?

(lol)

[Eddiebyte]

hi cutie pie

[Eddiebyte]

keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer

[Eddiebyte]

No, he is scum because someone else hoodwinked me and I refuse to let it happen again

@Gork Yes, they are. So many are townreading her without a shred of doubt. I classify that as blind trust. -_-

oh. so he's scum because you have town read scum before. my mistake.

[Eddiebyte]

aelita don't listen to eddie he's being a jerk <:/

like i get your point and i do think there's something sketchy about how vecna has been handling his claim. let me see at least though how he's responded to me

talk to me in the pt though eddie while i catch up because from your last posts it doesn't seem like you're on the same page as me about aelita

~giggles

[Eddiebyte]

I asked how good his scum game is. nobody answered me.

[Eddiebyte]

I asked how good his scum game is. nobody answered me.

vecna? he hard pocketed me last time so i'll be honest i have no clue how to read him

never have seen him as town

[Eddiebyte]

okay pt we go

[Eddiebyte]

Can we get to lynching now?

wanted to see the vc but i'm going to vote for whoever has more votes between vecna and dunn

Im not really sure Im buying into the reasons here for why theyre continuing to scumread me. My concerns I had with some of their posts are valid. Them making a large wall to appear towny is something id be expecting of a scum Giga just as well, trying hard to look like theyre being inquisitive/thoughtfull. The fact they announced -THREE TIMES- that they were writing this wall post only strenghthens that feeling that they were doing it just for towncred.

The fact im also liking some of their reads on Transcend has nothing to do with the other fact, and the fact that im going back and forth over an opinion (and having some doubts as well) while rereading 65+ pages should really not be surprising.

Answer me this giga, why would you be worried about opinions changing? Plenty of stuff happened. Your early game was EXTREMELY scummy fmpov, and plenty other people felt the same way. The way you went to write long posts about everyone voting you after 20 pages was another cause for concern imo.

??? your first paragraph makes 0 sense. i had a really long day and eddie was trying to hype me up like that, that's basically the entire motive. but even then how is it even a scummy thing to try to be townread? like?? i'm not making the connection to scum motive here. it just looks like you're planning a future push on us

fair enough on the second part i guess but the first paragraph is still a HUGE concern??

I'm not worried about your opinions changing, it's just I don't really like the thought process I'm seeing. Obviously my early game was scummy,

that was the whole point and I even addressed that in my wall

. Like that's exactly why I analyzed the votes on me, because I was making a shallow push to see how people jumped on it. Most the votes were from town. Tell me where the scum motive is here please?

And I would have at least liked some engagement on my earlier questions. Why does Aelita look coached, for example?

~giggles

[Eddiebyte]

Lynch dunnstral in next 8 pages or I will do something

((if it's replace out could we still lynch vecna))

Youre not gonna get me lynched, and the fact youre even trying to is worrying.

you should know better. A lot better.

Should I?

I've never seen your townplay as far as I know and I'm still scumreading you so far.

[Eddiebyte]

Wtf is this nonsense man? Breaking up a 2-person town-block? You really think me having some day1 hold-backs on the frogger slot is "breaking up townblocks"? This is just a fake-ass reasoning to try to get a likely lynch pushed through on a slot that is suspicious of you.

My reads arent all over the place, ive placed a nice coloured thing at the end of my catchup. Sure, its changing - thats what town do.

I meant in general and just gave an example.

Your attack on fire sucks because I'm pretty sure this is his towngame and you're attacking him for something as vapid as shitposting. Give me something more solid on him.

Your scumread on Alisae/Fro99er is equally vague and I'm struggling to really see how you came to that conclusion even from what I remember of your catchup posts.

You still haven't told me why Aelita sounds coached, either.

And your townread on us looks like the kind of read you'd have on someone you might push later.

Like it seems you're just attacking well-townread people when I'm reading the gamestate as having mostly town cohesion.

[Eddiebyte]

oh and heartless too

[Eddiebyte]

if those are actual genuine scumreads though i need to see more because i just flat out dont

[Eddiebyte]

UNVOTE:

Vecna feels like the scum wagon

I mean I was hoping I could let Vecna be the leading wagon for a little longer to see how this advances but talk to me about why you came to this conclusion?

[Eddiebyte]

gbt at one point you got to realise... you don't scumread me you just scumread my playstyle. fact.

compelling case here

it's ok you're like the last of my scumreads i'd lynch at the moment so you can hang around a little longer

[Eddiebyte]

Tone is a pretty big thing and you've switched into hyper-aggressive. This is an inconsistency. Is it possible that you're frustrated because you want to lynch Vecna and that isn't going to be as easy as when he was ThinkBig?

this is what we call a "stretch"

i still dont get what issue ppl are having with aelita though

[Eddiebyte]

jjh927:

Would you like to be power town with me?
Select all that apply.

[] Yes
[] No
[] Maybe
[] Applesauce

u forgot me

god i miss kraska

but rly trans what is even town about jj

[Eddiebyte]

God dammit giga.

alisae this is getting out of hand

~giggles

The reason I want you lynched is simple: my brain is telling me you are scum, because when I see your posts, I cannot help but think of someone who tricked me into believing they're town but were scum, and I refuse to let that happen again. Therefore, I promised myself that I will always scumread someone if there's even a miniscule amount of evidence against them to avoid being tricked again like that.

Basically, it's better to be paranoid and wrong than to be too trusting and feel like an idiot afterwards.

Well at least thats honest. Guess ill just completely ignore you as well then since that doesnt seem to be anything I can actually influence or interact with.

Its not all how mafia is played though.

Why are you afraid of me tricking you?

Why arent you afraid of Titus doing it?

Or Firebringer?

Hell, why arent you more afraid of McMenno tricking you into thinking he's town?

Why would me tricking you feel like more of an idiot than any of the other players in this game?

vecna not to be a bitch but i think the answer here is kind of transparent if you were actually trying to read into aelita

i'll let her speak for herself but still come on

[Eddiebyte]

Maybe we could do with some distance?

Aelita; completely excluding points regarding yourself and Vecna, talk to me about Eddie.

aelita can you actually answer this

[Eddiebyte]

aelita. who are your actual scumreads?

[Eddiebyte]

brb for a while

vecna please respond to all of my posts this time ty - i tried to stall for as long as i could so we could talk one on one but rl

~giggles

I asked how good his scum game is. nobody answered me.

Why do you of all people need this answered? Or is this Eddie? If so, you can ask Giga about it in your hood and they can give u a decent rundown.

My scumgame is decent, when I try.

Titus always catches me as scum.

Titus is thinking theyve done it again, but are wrong this game. But thatll become evident to her in due time if she is in fact town.

i already answered him dw

[Eddiebyte]

I asked how good his scum game is. nobody answered me.

Why do you of all people need this answered? Or is this Eddie? If so, you can ask Giga about it in your hood and they can give u a decent rundown.

My scumgame is decent, when I try.

Titus always catches me as scum.

Titus is thinking theyve done it again, but are wrong this game. But thatll become evident to her in due time if she is in fact town.

Eddie, and yea we talked about it after

[Eddiebyte]

my purpose for asking was because you can get town cred by having a bad scum game (lots of people like your predecessor cannot put out your sheer amount of content as scum)

you don't get scum cred by having a good scum game though, unlike certain people I isn't believe in policy scum reading someone just because they're a competent player

so it is basically null, overall giga scumreads you more than I do but you're still below the null line for me. dunn is the lynch we want rn. expect a full reads post soon.

[Eddiebyte]

aelita. who are your actual scumreads?

if you're going to basically policy vote someone at /least/ state your actual scum reads

[Eddiebyte]

hey the never lynched in a theme club!

(this is my second and the first I subbed into lylo)

I'm clearly the best player.

[Eddiebyte]

if it were up to me you'd been lynched

~narna

I 1v1d td too bad that ended in a you lynch

~casa

[Eddiebyte]

Okay doggo, what comparisons have you found.

Make it understandable and not too surface level please.

You are scum because TB was scum and you haven't done anything that you couldn't do as scum.

Do I get a dog cookie now?

~TD

let's pretend tb didn't exist and vecna subbed in from space

what would your just vecna read be

[Eddiebyte]

aelita can you answer me

[Eddiebyte]

aelita can you answer me

Still scum.

not sure what this is but I meant what are your scumreads rn?

[Eddiebyte]

I wrote that, because I know who the main is (im responding to the Aelita thing here).

Ive never seen the slot actually type, and im aware that a lot of people think that a talking Aelita is by definition a town Aelita. This is the meta that I know goes around, so when she started talking up a storm, it felt initially like scum coaching telling her to talk a lot, and how to go about it.

Im not so sure anymore.

Anyways Giga, lets just go about and do our own thing for now. I think we both recognize well enough that our read on eachother is gonna get refined enough over the next few days, and I dont want to lynch you anytime soon regardless - unless I find something rocksolid. I think you should afford me the same courtesy.

Lynching me here is a mistake, unless you have rocksolid reasoning as to why im scum. Noone has that, and noone can possibly have it, because im town - and ive never been lynched as town before in a Theme game, and I dont intent to start here. And plenty of people can vouch for my usefullness in these things.

Now - id honestly like to be able to stop defending myself, because its costing me too much time and effort. Lay off your questions off of me please, and focus on finding actual scum - unless you have valid questions thatll actually help you form your read on me.

you're setting really weird and illogical expectations for how well i should be able to read you so no

i'm fine giving you space at least while i read the next few pages but honestly i don't see how my questions were bad for sorting you

like........... if aelita were actually coached scum her points would be stronger imo. what made you reconsider the coached scum point?

~giggles

also i still have no idea if trans actually sent in his bond request so i dont want anyone - dunn or vecna - hammered just yet until i at least iron that out and get trans's opinion wrt vecna

pedit:

it makes a lot more sense w vecna being town, as does his general gameplay

besides being each others cws i don't really know if i agree here? like i've seen dunn give similar vapid defenses before at least as town so if he wanted to defend a scumbuddy it wouldn't surprise me if he skirted around it like he is here

pedit:

Vecna go read my ISO in this game starting here and then come back and tell me that me getting pissed for bullshit scumreads is weird for me: viewtopic.php?p=9090106#p9090106

Im not doing shit anymore in this game.

just lynch me, im tired of you asshats.

[Eddiebyte]

Giga, I think youre putting too much emphasis on stuff that was a momentary comment, and an opinion that has likely changed since. Im still going to try and answer these for transparencies sake to make you feel better about my slot since im all about that and all.

before i respond to the rest of the wall i'm pretty sure none of your opinions that i'm calling out have changed

correct me if i'm wrong though

[Eddiebyte]

well, frog and alisae are among our top trs. if you think either is scum please summarize why in one post. I don't think you've talked about alisae and you have argued with frogger but I'm not sure the reason you're scunreading him.

~canequer

[Eddiebyte]

Why does my attack on fire suck? He was shitposting a ton without actual content. Shitposting is NAI, and just because you think he's town doesnt make it true. Well maybe it does, but im the kind of egotistical guy that likes to draw his own conclusions, and the way Fire was posting -I- could not read him. Since my attack he has started shitposting a lot less, so I call it a win. I think youre probably right, and that he's maybe town - but im still gonna be keeping an eye on him.

you literally just explained why it sucks - you're going after something nai. and like this sudden townread has no development at all - what about his responses striked you as town vs the things I pointed out that made me want to townread him before your replace in?

I think Frogger is being a bit too artificial still. I havent seen anything that I know he's capable off yet. Alisae is telling me im wrong, maybe I am - but I know frog is capable of delivering play that I can easily townread. He hasnt done so yet. If he wants my townread, he's going to have to earn it. Im not going to state here what im looking for, I cba potentially coaching scum.

fro99er?? artificial?? what about like............. literally interaction he's had with your slot? with my slot? he's genuine af here

As for the read on you - it looks like that because its true. I dont have a strong read on you yet, so Im gonna work on forming that and if I think youre scum youre goddamn right I will come back to push you. My reads are still heavily fluctuating as you noticed yourself, and I read people by attacking them and pressuring them. Thats my style as town, so prepare for more of it.

fluctuating reads are fine but theres a difference between deliberately trying to put someone in like a weird "town but here's a few scummy things about them i can push after a few mislynches "

And just because im attacking well town-read people doesnt mean im breaking up any townblock. There is no such thing yet from what I can see. The only thing of note that has happened this game is a poor push on TB, and a push on Dunn. Im not sure Im very happy about this Dunn push yet, and I think he's someone ill be able to read quite well later on. I dont think ill be voting there today unless its to save my own hide (but im counting on this not being nessacery).

you don't have any thoughts on dunn? also yeah i guess there might not really be an established townbloc but i honestly cannot think for the life of me why you're pushing on people like fro99er and fire as town considering that theyre transparently town?

honestly i'm just going to do responses in bold so i dont need to scroll but if you need to make it easier while responding i'll stop

~giggles

pedit:

??

i'll totally not be the first to say that titus i have no clue what she's doing but the other votes on you aren't pinging me in the slightest? i havent caught up but none of those people are scummy at all

do you still mind if i ask you stuff though? eddie still wants dunn but with dueling counterwagons i'm going to try to at least sort you while I still am scumreading you because dunn is just going to be a complete pest and i'm not going to be able to figure out what's actually happening by shitting up the thread fighting with him.

[Eddiebyte]

It is transparent? Do TB and Aelita have some thing? Or what am I missing here?

I really dont understand why me of all people, she is afraid of getting tricked by. We hardly have any history at all.

You can use her reasoning to scumread and vote anyone, but youre ok with it?

Do please explain it to me if she doesnt, because im at a loss.

she's paranoid of YOU because you're the one trying to leverage a claim for towncred

titus hasn't done that

fire hasn't done that

no one else in this game has seriously attempted to do that

If i survive you can ask me shit later. Ive typed up more than most of these people will do in the next 10 games combined.

If it still doesnt make you see that im town, nothing will, and I cba to try. Goodbye.

:/

aight...

[Eddiebyte]

besides being each others cws i don't really know if i agree here? like i've seen dunn give similar vapid defenses before at least as town so if he wanted to defend a scumbuddy it wouldn't surprise me if he skirted around it like he is here

plz don't misconstrue what i'm trying to say here. i'm not saying vecna is town simply based on the existance of a scum counterwagon or vice-versa, bc reads like that are awful and notoriously dicey. (going back to street fighter... one of my scumbuddies coasted on "being the cw to scum." it's not a good thing to guide reads.)

i'm talking about the WHOLE interaction and what the scum wker would know.

then i'm not sure I agree with your point because I'm still scumreading both?

and actually hold on i dont even know if you're voting for dunn or vecna because i still havent finished reading up because i think in this case dunn's the better lynch.

[Eddiebyte]

like isn't it more likely that dunn is scum wk'ing a town vecna or that they're both scum over scum vecna/town dunn?

making dunn the better lynch?

[Eddiebyte]

why is vecna the larger wagon then if thats true

[Eddiebyte]

i want to see the scum frogger and scum alisae cases, or st least the short versiond. other than that, yea, vecna is kinda being overwhelmed with questions.

[Eddiebyte]

we are currently voting dunn

(i don't think we've voted vecna's slot since i voted thinkbig way back iirc)

yeah i just saw

i'm going to take a second look at their interactions then and get back to you tbh

i'm also still waiting on trans

why is vecna the larger wagon then if thats true

because he's alienated a big swath of the player list

<:/

lmao i guess im the only one who finds dunn more annoying

~giggles

[Eddiebyte]

i think the whole "heres a contrived case guys now react" got old when i did it in rvs

[Eddiebyte]

UNVOTE:

Are you making fun of me

i just got the joke here

[Eddiebyte]

ok unless reading a 3-way iso is the wrong way to approach reading into tb/vecna/dunn interactions i'm not sure why it can't be svs?

[Eddiebyte]

like if your scum partner has a towncred-grabby role, isnt the best way to defend scummy actions from them to completely ignore what theyve actually done that's scummy and... well let them get towncred from their role?

seems like the path of least resistance to me

In that case, why not lynch Dunn and have someone bond with Vecna so we get the benefit of his ability and someone gets a free active bond?

thats what im trying to figure out

[Eddiebyte]

although you saying it isnt exactly making me feel comfortable so er

[Eddiebyte]

then that begs the question of what credibility dunn has for anyone to take it seriously because no one is townreading him

yeah you're probably right this is kind of dumb

[Eddiebyte]

anyway i need to go now

i dont want vecna hammered until i can at least piece this together or hear back from people who haven't posted in a while (trans *cough*)

~giggles

[Eddiebyte]

gotchu

[Eddiebyte]

dunn dunn dunn...

[Eddiebyte]

-_-

[Eddiebyte]

not even close to hammer I think dunn is like l-1 1-3 and vecna is like l-4 or 5

[Eddiebyte]

ribbit

[Eddiebyte]

if transcend hammered he's transcend

[Eddiebyte]

but seriously we aren't ending the day before certain slots (shiqf) take stances and do stuff

[Eddiebyte]

no clue

it might not even be l-1

I have legit no clue what the vc is apart from dunn having slightly more than vecna

[Eddiebyte]

what are u saying frog man

[Eddiebyte]

oh, that's another person whonhasnt posted in ages. curios on Titus' current vecna thoughts