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Post Post #7235 (isolation #1000) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:28 am

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Excellent my plan of having scum NK Kise worked he was super suspicious and a huge question mark tbh.
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Post Post #7236 (isolation #1001) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:31 am

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Hmm seems p obvious it's Cephrir and like one of Grey/Majiffy (heavily leaning the latter) at this point.
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Post Post #7237 (isolation #1002) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:33 am

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Kuribo still in the strong town pile
Hiplop in leantown I think the way he went about his role and explaining it was townie idk and Vaxkiller's shade throw doesn't feel like it was to a partner.

Who else is still alive.
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Post Post #7238 (isolation #1003) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:34 am

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Oh Antihero yeah he's in lean town too been playing p pro-townie and just seems like town-motivated.
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Post Post #7239 (isolation #1004) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:37 am

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Wait did I forget to submit a night action.

Ik the night before I targeted Kuribo.

Not that it matters much tbh since both PGOs dead so w/e I'll take random.org targeting.
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Post Post #7243 (isolation #1005) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:43 am

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In post 7240, Antihero wrote:
In post 7235, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Excellent my plan of having scum NK Kise worked he was super suspicious and a huge question mark tbh.
no

not honest

a vig is not a question mark
He didn't claim vig though.

He was claiming weird conversion therapy that could've been third-party + his explanation for killing dgb was making 0 sense + he was seriously suspicious to me.
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Post Post #7244 (isolation #1006) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:43 am

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In post 7241, Cephrir wrote:
In post 7236, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Hmm seems p obvious it's Cephrir and like one of Grey/Majiffy (heavily leaning the latter) at this point.
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Post Post #7246 (isolation #1007) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:46 am

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In post 7245, Antihero wrote:
In post 7243, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:He didn't claim vig though.
YES

HE

DID

I

TOLD

YOU

HE

DID
I mean

You can call it whatever you want. The ability is def not a vig we're not gonna argue about this.

I thought it would make sense for the 3 flipped + his (heavily) modified vig ability as a 4 man scum team. Or for him to be 3 party.

W/e not worth arguing about.
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Post Post #7249 (isolation #1008) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:50 am

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???

Large games, think 21+ players, usually include 1 or 2 third parties OR make it multiball scum.

Large scum teams are usually hard to balance esp if they all know each other and can coordinate.

No one should assume it's an X amount of one single main group scumteam in large games.
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Post Post #7250 (isolation #1009) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:52 am

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In post 7248, Antihero wrote:if there's a corpse at the end of your action... it's a vig

we're REALLY not arguing this are we?
I didn't know scum NK is a vig TIL

But seriously anything that modifies or deviates heavily from "i choose this target they are targeted for a kill" is not really a vig. I would call it heavily modified vig b/c there's probably no name for it. But if it's gated the way Kise claimed his ability (esp with person getting a neighborhood with him and can out him etc) then it can perfectly fit into a scumteam.
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Post Post #7253 (isolation #1010) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:59 am

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I don't even know if you're arguing about if it would be OP or underpowered, and if you have a problem with me assuming it could be on the scumteam or that it could be 3rd party.
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Post Post #7254 (isolation #1011) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:04 am

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Oh well

Vote: Grey


I'm still down for this.
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Post Post #7255 (isolation #1012) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:08 am

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Anithero how about we focus on something that can actually help the game out instead.

How many scum do you think are left
Do you think there are any 3rd parties
What abilities (if any) do you think any remaining anti-town people have
How do you think scum were able to go through Fedora's heal (do you think they roleblocked their doc?)
Who do you think is scum/scumteam
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Post Post #7259 (isolation #1013) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:12 am

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Do you have like any scumreads

You thought like me/grey/majiffy were scum IIRC? (Or was it Pine also)

But then you derailed my wagon and voted off it and it looked like you were townreading me.

So who are you scumreading now

Pedit: Hello well the question of "who are you scumreading" can apply to anyone and everyone
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Post Post #7260 (isolation #1014) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:13 am

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If people think it's a 2 man scumteam left

There's literally nothing stopping anyone from reading/analyzing interactions with 2 people from the 7 left alive and see if they think they fit together + with the 3 flipped scum.
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Post Post #7264 (isolation #1015) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:57 am

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In post 7262, Cephrir wrote:
In post 7254, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Oh well

Vote: Grey


I'm still down for this.
You literally just said it was me and Majiffy, why the fuck are you up for that?
In post 7236, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Hmm seems p obvious it's Cephrir and like one of Grey/Majiffy (heavily leaning the latter) at this point.
??????????????????????????
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Post Post #7265 (isolation #1016) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:58 am

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Oh wait LOL I thought I had grey second in that post.

I mean you and majiffy/grey heavily leaning grey.
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Post Post #7267 (isolation #1017) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:00 pm

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I mean

you're free to vote me if you think I'm lying...
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Post Post #7268 (isolation #1018) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:03 pm

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In post 7016, Cephrir wrote:you majiffy and grey, i guess
What happened to your grey scumread btw???

Why do you always have him in the "willing to vote" but when it comes time to actually vote you refuse to get on the wagon like you did yesterday?
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Post Post #7269 (isolation #1019) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:04 pm

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In post 5977, Cephrir wrote:at this point we're going to lose and we deserve it, so maybe we should be asking ourselves what we'd be ok with losing to
In post 5978, Cephrir wrote:basically if grey is scum and we lose to that i may never look this site in the eye again
????

Then never truly supporting a grey wagon?
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Post Post #7270 (isolation #1020) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:05 pm

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In post 7263, Cephrir wrote:I think SAD/Majiffy is by best guess right now. It certainly explains why SAD wants so badly to keep open a mislynch on me or hiplop
So grey is not a scumread here

Yet he's not someone you say I'm trying to mislynch

????????

Is he a scumread or a townread to you please make up your mind.
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Post Post #7275 (isolation #1021) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:15 pm

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In post 7274, Cephrir wrote:
In post 7268, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 7016, Cephrir wrote:you majiffy and grey, i guess
What happened to your grey scumread btw???

Why do you always have him in the "willing to vote" but when it comes time to actually vote you refuse to get on the wagon like you did yesterday?
right, 2/3 of you being scum seems very likely at this point

which is why whoever's scum in that group needs to find a mislynch outside it to avoid automatically losing
You realize

I can literally say the same thing you just said

but reverse me and you in the scenario.
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Post Post #7277 (isolation #1022) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:18 pm

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Also "seems very likely at this point"

What scumhunting have you done? Real talk. I have not felt you trying to solve the game whatsoever since like maybe day 1/2. You have just... fell off. Which tends to happen as disinterested scum.

It's not that you're not here. That's like Majiffy or something.

It's that you're just actively lurking, and going with the flow. "Oh we're lynching this dude, okay *places vote*". (Which is also extremely weird that you basically refused to get on Grey yesterday when you were okay with just getting on any other major wagon that formed).
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Post Post #7278 (isolation #1023) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:20 pm

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In post 7276, Cephrir wrote:you're more widely suspected than i am.
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Post Post #7281 (isolation #1024) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:30 pm

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In post 7279, Cephrir wrote:There were too many people in this game who needed to die and I tend not to feel I have much agency until the game shrinks.
Yeah exactly my point here

When the game size was larger I attributed to you just being disinterested town that lacked motivation to drive up people

But as the game gets smaller, it doesn't look like you're scumhunting. It still feels like "Okay guys who are we lynching for today?".

+ I get the feel that you're not disinterested as scum, you're disinterested in
scumhunting
. You're around at time as come in and vote people and joke around and talk game theory and ask for explanation for roles and other questions etc etc. But almost no scumhunting. You don't develop on your questions. You don't dig deep enough that it looks like you're really interested in figuring anyone out, just surface level stuff.

You can be scum enjoying the game but still have artificial reads and lack of pretend scumhunting.
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Post Post #7282 (isolation #1025) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:32 pm

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In post 7280, Cephrir wrote:maybe i'm still 10 years old at heart but it's hard for me to care as town unless i either have a strong investigative role or feel like my reads are really good. if i dont have much confidence ive started moving towards not doing anything and trying to have a little fun in the background over talking about how i have reads but don't believe in them. it's unnecessary effort that only serves to look town.
Okay you and I both know what you just said doesn't make sense.

Neither one of those 3 sentences make any sense.
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Post Post #7287 (isolation #1026) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:43 pm

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Okay gl with that.

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Post Post #7289 (isolation #1027) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:14 pm

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In post 7288, hiplop wrote:VOTE: sad[/vote]!
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Post Post #7290 (isolation #1028) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:15 pm

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But for real again, gl with that.

I don't think the wagon is gonna get bigger than 3 (cephrir hiplop grey) anyway, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post Post #7304 (isolation #1029) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:19 pm

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Yo we p much had like cop

and

jailkeeper.

The last scums please be goon.
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Post Post #7305 (isolation #1030) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:20 pm

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Oh wait this is role madness.

Tbh though all the remaining roles that are claimed if we assume are true are basically goon level of weakness.
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Post Post #7306 (isolation #1031) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:22 pm

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What are our claims again.

compulsive visitor
"miller" enabler
2x regular (?) enablers
messenger to no where
messenger to somewhere
fruit vendor

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Post Post #7308 (isolation #1032) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:42 pm

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I think this is a great time for an mmo style drop/spawn to happen with strong PRs and we all get op things.
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Post Post #7309 (isolation #1033) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:47 pm

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Post Post #7310 (isolation #1034) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:58 pm

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Majiffy why aren't you voting Grey

you've literally been wanting him out for like the whole game.
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Post Post #7313 (isolation #1035) » Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:18 pm

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In post 7311, kuribo wrote:
In post 7304, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Yo we p much had like cop

and

jailkeeper.

The last scums please be goon.

Not a jailkeeper, remember I asked him and he said his action doesn't roleblock them
Wait nacho or kise.

I think nacho was full jailkeeper, kise was like conversion therapy holds them up in jail + can decide to kill them.
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Post Post #7318 (isolation #1036) » Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:47 am

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In post 7316, Majiffy wrote:You're at fucking L-1 bee tee dubz.
Yeah I love it.
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Post Post #7319 (isolation #1037) » Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:48 am

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Wait how did hiplop's vote count he messed up the vote tags :^)
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Post Post #7320 (isolation #1038) » Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:50 am

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ANYWAY if you're not scum majiffy then it's what I'm already leaning towards which is grey/cephrir.

I wanna reread a bit when I have a time but when I get free time I always feel kinda lazy.
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Post Post #7322 (isolation #1039) » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:35 pm

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In post 7321, -Grey- wrote:
In post 7320, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:ANYWAY if you're not scum majiffy then it's what I'm already leaning towards which is grey/cephrir.
Why would you leap to this assumption after hounding him for not voting me?

You were ramping up to call him scum with me, now all of a sudden he's town?

That post is fake as shit.
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Post Post #7323 (isolation #1040) » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:36 pm

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In post 7265, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Oh wait LOL I thought I had grey second in that post.

I mean you and majiffy/grey heavily leaning grey.
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Post Post #7324 (isolation #1041) » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:37 pm

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Are you even bothering to read anymore or just scum claim and save us your pathetic attempt at playing b/c it's embarrassing.
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Post Post #7326 (isolation #1042) » Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:01 pm

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Post Post #7327 (isolation #1043) » Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:02 pm

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It literally says I think the scumteam is you/Cephrir and you're saying that I think the scumteam is you/Majiffy.

And then you're trying to bullshit about how I was calling Majiffy your partner but now want him to buss you.
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Post Post #7329 (isolation #1044) » Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:24 pm

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Yeah it's called developing reads.
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Post Post #7330 (isolation #1045) » Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:24 pm

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Yknow... something hard for you to understand because you've had none.
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Post Post #7331 (isolation #1046) » Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:27 pm

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Let me see hmmmmmmmmmmm

do I think Majiffy was being run up simultaneously along side 2 other scum LOL.

Like, it's called playing the game and taking in new knowledge and moving your reads accordingly. Yeah I suspected Majiffy like fucking ages ago. But unlike whatever the fuck you're doing, I'm not just going around voting whichever wagon forms while absolutely putting in 0 effort to scumhunt.
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Post Post #7332 (isolation #1047) » Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:31 pm

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Like fucking LOL you got the 3 people who are doing nothing to vote me good job

the other people who are actually putting in effort into the game you're going to have to be a lot more convincing b/c right now I'm embarassed for the way you're playing scum.

Do you just like to circlejerk and do nothing as playing scum? Do you think people will congratulate your pathetic attempt at playing even if you win or?

Legit I usually get mad at townies and tell people who are doing bad to not be fucking proud or take credit for a victory if they're town

This is the first time though I've seen such garbage play from scum. It's not even manipulation LOL it's just troll play.
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Post Post #7333 (isolation #1048) » Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:42 pm

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In post 7328, -Grey- wrote:Get the fuck out of here with that fucking bullshit. That was a scum ass read flip. Town isn't going to post one shitty vote count and completely flip their reads over it, especially when they make a horrible assertion about "not likely to be three leading wagons on scum" when one of the wagon only had three votes on it, one of which was a distancing vote.
Here's a brilliant idea

Why would I as scum need to switch my read on majiffy and cephrir when I can keep cephrir as town and majiffy as scum.

Why would I go through the trouble of switching my reads when I can easily still coast off of my original reads.

Hypothetically if I'm scum I can just buddy cephrir and get him to vote b/c, well, everybody wants your troll pathetic gameplay gone even before PoE ruled you as scum. So why would I need to switch my buddying from cephrir to majiffy.

But cephrir is scum for the exact reason he's refusing to get on you. He has been going with the flow all game. So I'm like cool that's his shtick. But then he refuses to get on you yesterday and today.

It's blatantly obvious me/majiffy are being pushed as the mislynches. Me today, and I guaranfuckingtee when I flip if I'm lynched majiffy will be pushed tomorrow.

Because they can't touch kuribo/antihero.

And cephrir has already commited to hiplop town oopsie daises.
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Post Post #7334 (isolation #1049) » Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:45 pm

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Post Post #7339 (isolation #1050) » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:20 pm

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Yes he's actively doing something by not voting yet and what I'm assuming is his attempt at figuring things out in the near future.
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Post Post #7340 (isolation #1051) » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:25 pm

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In post 7337, Cephrir wrote:go back to playing with the vc font colors.
Are you really gonna pretend that vca has no merrit? Because we both know that's not true.
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Post Post #7361 (isolation #1052) » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:50 pm

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In post 7328, -Grey- wrote:Get dicked, scum.
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Post Post #7364 (isolation #1053) » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:54 pm

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Majffy we're doing very good so far keep it up.
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Post Post #7365 (isolation #1054) » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:54 pm

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Oopsie daisies this isn't the scum pt.
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Post Post #7367 (isolation #1055) » Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:16 pm

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Post Post #7368 (isolation #1056) » Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:16 pm

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How is everyone doing.
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Post Post #7373 (isolation #1057) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:50 pm

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Lmao holy this game.
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Post Post #7374 (isolation #1058) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:50 pm

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There is no way I see us still winning fwiw.
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Post Post #7375 (isolation #1059) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:52 pm

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Who is still alive

me
Majiffy
Cephrir
Kuribo

I'm forgetting someone else that's how bad it is.
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Post Post #7376 (isolation #1060) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:52 pm

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Oh it's hiplop.
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Post Post #7377 (isolation #1061) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:53 pm

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Yeah tbh I'm down to lose to any scumteam combo that doesn't have hiplop in it.
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Post Post #7378 (isolation #1062) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:57 pm

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I feel like one day soon I might get a burst of energy that will let me sit down and reread a bunch of stuff and decipher this mess.
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Post Post #7379 (isolation #1063) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:00 pm

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Off the top of my head the miller-enabler still makes no fucking sense with all the flipped enablers having no other abilities.

Hiplop is just a troll who is active on the rest of the site but refused to contribute or replace out.

Kuribo I'm okay with losing to he has put in that A+ effort tbh.

Majiffy idk I feel like if he's scum he knows he doesn't deserve the victory anyway because he's a better player in general and here he has done very little.
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Post Post #7383 (isolation #1064) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:03 pm

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Please double hammer me so the loss can be on hiplop :D
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Post Post #7384 (isolation #1065) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:03 pm

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In case he's part of the scum team

Vote: Hiplop


Gg if it's anyone else.
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Post Post #7386 (isolation #1066) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:12 pm

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Meh I really am not up to unvoting my man.

I really really really don't think it's Kuribo as I said it would be stupid af to shoot a partner on whatever number night it was he shot ABR without ABR switching into BP-mode.

Which leaves like Majiffy/Cephrir which idk I forgot most of what has happened in this game but I guess they can make sense as a team? If so they can have it.
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Post Post #7387 (isolation #1067) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:17 pm

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WAIT WHERE'S MY VCA THIS WILL BE THE TIME I BREAK THE GAME WITH VCA
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Post Post #7390 (isolation #1068) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:23 pm

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VCA up to like day 6 VCs the others require too much work because I have to replace everyone who already flipped again.

Spoiler:
In post 325, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
Votecount 1.1
formerfish
- 10 (
Desperado
,
firebringer
,
Vaxkiller
,
xyzzy
,
Brian
Skies
, -
Grey
-, SAD, Majiffy,
Hocho
Knife
,
Kise
)
Brian
Skies
- 2 (
Spiffeh
,
Little Red
Fedora
)
firebringer
- 2 (
Wraith
,
formerfish
)
xyzzy
- 1 (
ABR
)
Kise
- 1 (
Pine
)
Majiffy - 1 (
Syryana
)
bundle of sticks - 1 (kuribo)

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In post 475, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
Votecount 1.1
formerfish
- 13 (
Desperado
,
firebringer
,
Vaxkiller
,
xyzzy
,
Brian
Skies
, -
Grey
-, SAD, Majiffy,
Hocho
Knife
,
Kise
,
ABR
,
DGB
,
Bellsprout
)

Brian
Skies
- 2 (
Little Red
Fedora
,
Wraith
)
firebringer
- 1 (
formerfish
)
xyzzy
- 1 (
ABR
)
Kise
- 1 (
Pine
)
Majiffy - 2 (
Syryana
,
Spiffeh
)
bundle of sticks - 1 (kuribo)
In post 511, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
VC 2.2
Brian
Skies
- 4 (
LRF
,
Desperado
, SAD, Majiffy)
Little Red
Fedora
- 1 (
Brian
Skies
)
Majiffy - 1 (
Spiffeh
)
Spiffeh
- 1 (Majiffy)
With 22 alive, it's 12 to lynch. Deadline is 4/1 at 4PM EST
In post 882, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
VC 2.3Majiffy - 7 (
Spiffeh
,
DGB
,
Wraith
,
ABR
, bundle of sticks, Majiffy, kuribo,
LRF
)
Vaxkiller
- 3 (
Spiffeh
,
Bellsprout
,
Hocho
Knife
)
Little Red
Fedora
- 1 (
Brian
Skies
)
Tammy - 1 (hiplop)
Syryana
- 1 (
Desperado
)
bundle of sticks - 1 (Majiffy)
Wraith
- 1 ((low energy!)SAD)
With 22 alive, it's 12 to lynch. Deadline is 4/1 at 4PM EST
In post 1179, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
VC 2.4Majiffy - 6 (
DGB
,
Wraith
, bundle of sticks, Majiffy, kuribo,
LRF
)
Vaxkiller
- 4 (
Spiffeh
,
Bellsprout
,
Hocho
Knife
, (low energy) SAD)
Little Red
Fedora
- 4 (
Brian
Skies
,
ABR
,
Kise
,
Grey
)
Tammy - 1 (hiplop)
Syryana
- 1 (
Desperado
)
bundle of sticks - 1 (Majiffy)
hiplop - 1 (
Syryana
)
With 22 alive, it's 12 to lynch. Deadline is 4/1 at 4PM EST
In post 1631, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
VC 2.5
Vaxkiller
- 7 (
Spiffeh
,
Bellsprout
,
Hocho
Knife
, (low energy) SAD,
Syryana
, Majiffy,
xyzzy
)
Majiffy - 6 (
DGB
,
Wraith
, bundle of sticks,
Vaxkiller
, kuribo,
LRF
)
Little Red
Fedora
- 3 (
Brian
Skies
,
ABR
,
Kise
)
Syryana
- 1 (
Desperado
)
nacho
- 1 (hiplop)
With 22 alive, it's 12 to lynch. Deadline is 4/1 at 4PM EST
In post 1700, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
VC 2.6
Vaxkiller
- 8 (
Spiffeh
,
Bellsprout
,
Hocho
Knife
, SAD,
Syryana
, Majiffy,
xyzzy
, kuribo)
Majiffy - 5 (
DGB
,
Wraith
, bundle of sticks,
Vaxkiller
,
LRF
)
Little Red
Fedora
- 3 (
Brian
Skies
,
ABR
,
Kise
)
Syryana
- 1 (
Desperado
)
nacho
- 1 (hiplop)
With 22 alive, it's 12 to lynch. Deadline is 4/1 at 4PM EST
In post 1990, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
VC 2.8
Vaxkiller
- 4 (
Bellsprout
,
Hocho
Knife
, Majiffy,
xyzzy
)
Hocho
Knife
- 3 (SAD, kuribo, hiplop)
Little Red
Fedora
- 3 (
Brian
Skies
,
ABR
,
Kise
)
Majiffy - 2 (
DGB
,
Wraith
)
ABR
- 2 (
LRF
,
Syryana
)
Syryana
- 1 (
Desperado
)
Wraith
- 1 (
Vaxkiller
)
Kise
- 1 (
Grey
)
With 22 alive, it's 12 to lynch. Deadline is 4/1 at 4PM EST
In post 2047, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
VC 2.9
Little Red
Fedora
- 5 (
Brian
Skies
,
ABR
,
Kise
, Majiffy,
nacho
)
Vaxkiller
- 3 (
Bellsprout
,
Hocho
Knife
,
xyzzy
)
Hocho
Knife
- 3 (SAD, kuribo, hiplop)
Majiffy - 3 (
DGB
,
Wraith
, bundle of sticks)
ABR
- 2 (
LRF
,
Syryana
)
Syryana
- 1 (
Desperado
)
Wraith
- 2 (
Vaxkiller
,
Grey
)
With 22 alive, it's 12 to lynch. Deadline is 4/1 at 4PM EST
In post 2106, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
VC 2.10
Little Red
Fedora
- 4 (
Brian
Skies
,
ABR
, Majiffy,
nacho
)
Vaxkiller
- 3 (
Bellsprout
,
Hocho
Knife
,
xyzzy
)
Hocho
Knife
- 3 (SAD, kuribo, hiplop)
Pine
- 3 (
Kise
,
Desperado
, bundle of sticks)
ABR
- 2 (
LRF
,
Syryana
)
Wraith
- 2 (
Vaxkiller
,
Grey
)
Majiffy - 2 (
DGB
,
Wraith
)
With 22 alive, it's 12 to lynch. Deadline is 4/1 at 4PM EST
In post 2389, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
VC 2.11
Hocho
Knife
- 3 (
Spiffeh
, bundle of sticks,
Syryana
)
Little Red
Fedora
- 2 (
Brian
Skies
,
Kise
)
Majiffy - 1 (
Vaxkiller
)
ABR
- 1 (
LRF
)
bundle of sticks - 1 (Majiffy)
With 21 alive, it's 11 to lynch. Deadline is 4/1 at 4PM EST
In post 2905, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
VC 2.12
Hocho
Knife
- 8 (bundle of sticks,
Syryana
, SAD,
Desperado
, kuribo,
Wraith
,
Kise
,
ABR
)
Little Red
Fedora
- 3 (
Brian
Skies
,
Kise
)
ABR
- 2 (
Spiffeh
,
Grey
)
Majiffy - 1 (
Vaxkiller
)
bundle of sticks - 1 (Majiffy)
Grey
- 1 (
LRF
)
kuribo - 1 (
Hocho
Knife
)
With 21 alive, it's 11 to lynch. Deadline is 4/1 at 4PM EST
In post 3000, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
VC 2.13
Hocho
Knife
- 8 (bundle of sticks,
Syryana
, SAD,
Desperado
, kuribo,
Wraith
,
Kise
,
ABR
)
Little Red
Fedora
- 3 (
Brian
Skies
,
Kise
)
ABR
- 1 (
Spiffeh
)
Majiffy - 1 (
Vaxkiller
)
bundle of sticks - 1 (Majiffy)
Grey
- 1 (
LRF
)
kuribo - 1 (
Hocho
Knife
)
With 21 alive, it's 11 to lynch. Deadline is 4/1 at 4PM EST
In post 3238, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
VC 2.14
Hocho
Knife
- 9 (bundle of sticks,
Syryana
, SAD,
Desperado
, kuribo,
Wraith
,
Kise
,
ABR
, Majiffy)
Little Red
Fedora
- 2 (
Brian
Skies
,
Kise
)
Majiffy - 2 (
Vaxkiller
,
DGB
)
ABR
- 1 (
Spiffeh
)
bundle of sticks - 1 (Majiffy)
xyzzy
- 1 (
LRF
)
kuribo - 1 (
Hocho
Knife
)
With 21 alive, it's 11 to lynch. Deadline is 4/1 at 4PM EST
In post 3442, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
VC 2.15
Hocho
Knife
- 10 (bundle of sticks,
Syryana
, SAD,
Desperado
, kuribo,
Wraith
,
Kise
,
ABR
, Majiffy,
Grey
)
Little Red
Fedora
- 2 (
Brian
Skies
,
Kise
)
Majiffy - 2 (
Vaxkiller
,
DGB
)
ABR
- 1 (
Spiffeh
)
xyzzy
- 1 (
LRF
)
kuribo - 1 (
Hocho
Knife
)
With 21 alive, it's 11 to lynch. Deadline is 4/1 at 4PM EST
In post 3500, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
VC 2.16
Hocho
Knife
- 9 (bundle of sticks,
Syryana
, SAD,
Desperado
, kuribo,
Wraith
,
Kise
,
ABR
, Majiffy)
Little Red
Fedora
- 1 (
Brian
Skies
)
Majiffy - 2 (
Vaxkiller
,
DGB
)
ABR
- 1 (
Spiffeh
)
xyzzy
- 1 (
LRF
)
kuribo - 1 (
Hocho
Knife
)
With 21 alive, it's 11 to lynch. Deadline is 4/1 at 4PM EST
In post 4003, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:Cephir replaces bundle of sticks

VC 2.17
Hocho
Knife
- 7 (Cephir,
Syryana
,
Desperado
,
Wraith
,
Kise
,
ABR
, Majiffy)
Majiffy - 2 (
Vaxkiller
,
DGB
)
Syryana
- 1 (SAD)
Little Red
Fedora
- 1 (
Brian
Skies
)
ABR
- 1 (
Spiffeh
)
xyzzy
- 1 (
LRF
)
kuribo - 1 (
Hocho
Knife
)
With 21 alive, it's 11 to lynch. Deadline is 4/1 at 4PM EST
In post 4286, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
VC 2.18
Hocho
Knife
- 9 (Cephir,
Syryana
,
Desperado
,
Wraith
,
Kise
,
ABR
, Majiffy,
DGB
,
LRF
)
xyzzy
- 4 (
nacho
,
Wraith
,
Grey
,
Spiffeh
)
Majiffy - 1 (
Vaxkiller
)
Syryana
- 1 (SAD)
Little Red
Fedora
- 1 (
Brian
Skies
)
kuribo - 1 (
Hocho
Knife
)
SAD - 1 (kuribo)
With 21 alive, it's 11 to lynch. Deadline is 4/1 at 4PM EST
In post 4643, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
VC 2.19
xyzzy
- 11 (
nacho
,
Wraith
,
Grey
,
Spiffeh
, SAD, Cephir,
Syryana
,
DGB
,
LRF
,
Vaxkiller
, kuribo)

Hocho
Knife
- 6 (
Desperado
,
Wraith
,
Kise
,
ABR
, Majiffy,
Hocho
)
Little Red
Fedora
- 1 (
Brian
Skies
)
With 21 alive, it's 11 to lynch. Deadline is 4/1 at 4PM EST
In post 4652, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
Votecount 3.1hiplop - 1 (
ABR
)
With 19 alive it's 10 to lynch. Deadline is 4/14 at 9PM EST
In post 4850, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
Votecount 3.2
LRF
- 6 (
BS
,
nacho
, SAD, Cephir,
Syryana
,
Grey
)
ABR
- 3 (kuribo,
Spiffeh
,
LRF
)
hiplop - 2 (
ABR
,
Kise
)
With 19 alive it's 10 to lynch. Deadline is 4/14 at 9PM EST
In post 4930, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
Votecount 3.3
LRF
- 6 (
nacho
, Cephir,
Syryana
,
Grey
,
Hocho
Knife
,
Wraith
)
ABR
- 4 (kuribo,
Spiffeh
,
LRF
,
Desperado
)
hiplop - 2 (
ABR
,
Kise
)
With 19 alive it's 10 to lynch. Deadline is 4/14 at 9PM EST
In post 5075, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
Votecount 3.4
LRF
- 6 (
nacho
, Cephir,
Syryana
,
Grey
,
Hocho
Knife
,
Wraith
)
ABR
- 5 (kuribo,
Spiffeh
,
Desperado
, SAD,
Brian
Skies
)
hiplop - 2 (
ABR
,
Kise
)
Vaxkiller
- 1 (
LRF
)
With 19 alive it's 10 to lynch. Deadline is 4/14 at 9PM EST
In post 5128, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
Votecount 3.5
ABR
- 8 (kuribo,
Spiffeh
,
Desperado
, SAD,
Brian
Skies
,
LRF
, Cephir, Majiffy)
LRF
- 5 (
nacho
,
Syryana
,
Grey
,
Hocho
Knife
,
Wraith
)
hiplop - 2 (
ABR
,
Kise
)
With 19 alive it's 10 to lynch. Deadline is 4/14 at 9PM EST
In post 5177, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
Votecount 3.6
ABR
- 9 (kuribo,
Spiffeh
,
Desperado
, SAD,
Brian
Skies
,
LRF
, Cephir, Majiffy,
Vaxkiller
)
LRF
- 5 (
nacho
,
Syryana
,
Grey
,
Hocho
Knife
,
Antihero
)
hiplop - 2 (
ABR
,
Kise
)
With 19 alive it's 10 to lynch. Deadline is 4/14 at 9PM EST

Antihero
replaces
Wraith
In post 5352, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
Votecount 3.7
ABR
- 10 (kuribo,
Spiffeh
,
Desperado
, SAD,
Brian
Skies
,
LRF
, Cephir, Majiffy,
Vaxkiller
,
Grey
)

LRF
- 4 (
nacho
,
Syryana
,
Hocho
Knife
,
Antihero
)
hiplop - 2 (
ABR
,
Kise
)
With 19 alive it's 10 to lynch. Deadline is 4/14 at 9PM EST

A lynch has been reached!
In post 5357, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote: With 17 alive it's 9 to lynch. Deadline is 4/23 at 6PM EST

Votecount 4.1
Hocho
Knife
- 1 (hiplop)
In post 5659, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
Votecount 4.2
Syryana
- 4 (
Desperado
eradio, SAD, Cephir,
Antihero
)
Little Red
Fedora
- 3 (
Kise
,
BS
,
Syryana
)
hiplop - 1 (
Grey
)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 1 (
Hocho
Knife
)
Hocho
Knife
- 1 (hiplop)

With 17 alive it's 9 to lynch. Deadline is 4/23 at 6PM EST
In post 5850, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
Votecount 4.3
Syryana
- 7 (
Desperado
eradio, SAD, Cephir,
Antihero
,
Spiffeh
,
BS
,
Kise
)
hiplop - 2 (
Grey
,
DGB
)
Little Red
Fedora
- 1 (
Syryana
)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 1 (
Hocho
Knife
)
Hocho
Knife
- 1 (hiplop)
Cephir - 1 (
LRF
)

With 17 alive it's 9 to lynch. Deadline is 4/23 at 6PM EST
In post 5855, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
Votecount 4.3
Syryana
- 9 (
Desperado
eradio, SAD, Cephir,
Antihero
,
Spiffeh
,
BS
,
Kise
, Majiffy,
Grey
)

hiplop - 2 (
Grey
,
DGB
)
Little Red
Fedora
- 1 (
Syryana
)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 1 (
Hocho
Knife
)
Hocho
Knife
- 1 (hiplop)
Cephir - 1 (
LRF
)
In post 5929, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
Votecount 5.1
Hocho
Knife
- 6 (
Desperado
,
Brian
Skies
, Majiffy,
Kise
, hiplop,
Antihero
)
hiplop - 1 (SAD)
-
Grey
- - 1 (Cephir)

With 15 alive it's 8 to lynch. Deadline is 4/29 at 9PM EST
In post 5942, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
Votecount 5.2
Hocho
Knife
- 8 (
Desperado
,
Brian
Skies
, Majiffy,
Kise
, hiplop,
Antihero
, SAD,
Grey
)
-
Grey
- - 1 (Cephir)

With 15 alive it's 8 to lynch. Deadline is 4/29 at 9PM EST
In post 6455, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
Votecount 6.1
Vax
- 4 (Cephir,
LRF
, kuribo,
BS
)
hiplop - 1 (SAD)
SAD - 1 (hiplop)
Grey
- 1 (
Antihero
)
With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch. Deadline is 5/3 at 12PM EST.
In post 6534, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
Votecount 6.1
Vax
- 6 (Cephir,
LRF
, kuribo,
BS
,
Antihero
,
Kise
)
hiplop - 1 (SAD)
SAD - 1 (hiplop)
Grey
- 1 (
Antihero
)
With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch. Deadline is 5/3 at 12PM EST.

Pine
is being replaced.
In post 6597, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
Final Day 6 Votecount
Vax
- 7 (Cephir,
LRF
, kuribo,
BS
,
Antihero
,
Kise
,
Vaxkiller
)

hiplop - 1 (SAD)
SAD - 1 (hiplop)
Grey
- 1 (
Antihero
)
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Post Post #7391 (isolation #1069) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:25 pm

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These are very important I think:

In post 882, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
VC 2.3Majiffy - 7 (
Spiffeh
,
DGB
,
Wraith
,
ABR
, bundle of sticks, Majiffy, kuribo,
LRF
)
Vaxkiller
- 3 (
Spiffeh
,
Bellsprout
,
Hocho
Knife
)
Little Red
Fedora
- 1 (
Brian
Skies
)
Tammy - 1 (hiplop)
Syryana
- 1 (
Desperado
)
bundle of sticks - 1 (Majiffy)
Wraith
- 1 ((low energy!)SAD)
With 22 alive, it's 12 to lynch. Deadline is 4/1 at 4PM EST
In post 1179, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
VC 2.4Majiffy - 6 (
DGB
,
Wraith
, bundle of sticks, Majiffy, kuribo,
LRF
)
Vaxkiller
- 4 (
Spiffeh
,
Bellsprout
,
Hocho
Knife
, (low energy) SAD)
Little Red
Fedora
- 4 (
Brian
Skies
,
ABR
,
Kise
,
Grey
)
Tammy - 1 (hiplop)
Syryana
- 1 (
Desperado
)
bundle of sticks - 1 (Majiffy)
hiplop - 1 (
Syryana
)
With 22 alive, it's 12 to lynch. Deadline is 4/1 at 4PM EST
In post 1631, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
VC 2.5
Vaxkiller
- 7 (
Spiffeh
,
Bellsprout
,
Hocho
Knife
, (low energy) SAD,
Syryana
, Majiffy,
xyzzy
)
Majiffy - 6 (
DGB
,
Wraith
, bundle of sticks,
Vaxkiller
, kuribo,
LRF
)
Little Red
Fedora
- 3 (
Brian
Skies
,
ABR
,
Kise
)
Syryana
- 1 (
Desperado
)
nacho
- 1 (hiplop)
With 22 alive, it's 12 to lynch. Deadline is 4/1 at 4PM EST
In post 1700, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
VC 2.6
Vaxkiller
- 8 (
Spiffeh
,
Bellsprout
,
Hocho
Knife
, SAD,
Syryana
, Majiffy,
xyzzy
, kuribo)
Majiffy - 5 (
DGB
,
Wraith
, bundle of sticks,
Vaxkiller
,
LRF
)
Little Red
Fedora
- 3 (
Brian
Skies
,
ABR
,
Kise
)
Syryana
- 1 (
Desperado
)
nacho
- 1 (hiplop)
With 22 alive, it's 12 to lynch. Deadline is 4/1 at 4PM EST
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Post Post #7393 (isolation #1070) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:28 pm

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I see Cephrir/Hiplop as making the most sense.

Esp from VC 2.3/2.4 to 2.5 where Vaxkiller jumps up to being run up instead of Majiffy, it looks like the scum team lagged their votes on a town mislynch (Majiffy), with hiplop being off wagon. ABR was committed to bussing Fedora, and it looked like the scumteam were trying to push the Majiffy wagon through.
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Post Post #7394 (isolation #1071) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:28 pm

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In post 7392, Cephrir wrote:If you want to convince me of anything with your VCs you're going to have to show me why the posts where those votes were made give something away, I won't respond to colored names alone.
I'm not trying to convince you of anything I'm trying to solve the game for myself before it possibly ends soon.
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Post Post #7397 (isolation #1072) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:31 pm

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No convince yourself my dude go put in the effort and do what you gotta do to try to solve the game if you're town I'm not gonna baby you or spoon feed.
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Post Post #7400 (isolation #1073) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:32 pm

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Yeah literally so I can say look I got the scum team.
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Post Post #7404 (isolation #1074) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:38 pm

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I found my quote from laundry mafia!
In post 660, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Hmm that's actually the only reason I play mafia anymore to see if I'm correctly calling reads or not.
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Post Post #7407 (isolation #1075) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:42 pm

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I think these are the late bussers that don't show up in VC

These put Vaxkiller at L-1 and then he claimed
In post 1783, bundle of sticks wrote:VOTE: Vax

imo it's less than the number that have occurred. if anything newish players are a place where inconsistency might be more likely to indicate scum? my thought process on that is a tad convoluted though
In post 1784, Little Red Fedora wrote:VOTE: Vax
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Post Post #7408 (isolation #1076) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:43 pm

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They had to move from the Majiffy wagon because Spiffeh unvoted and Grey voted on making the Vaxkiller wagon very likely to just go through before he claimed, so scum had to buss late for towncred and risk him just dying (when I think they were planning on having him claim modified watcher).
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Post Post #7410 (isolation #1077) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:46 pm

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In post 1804, Spiffeh wrote:DON'T LEAVE ANYONE AT L-1

OR L-2 FOR THAT MATTER

WE RUSHED DAY 1 AND IT ENDED IN A FUCKING TOWN LYNCH

IN WHAT WORLD IS IT A GOOD IDEA TO DO THAT AGAIN
In post 1813, bundle of sticks wrote:UNVOTE:

my vote exists to please
I really don't like this justification for unvoting, especially when Fedora literally used the same thing and unvoted, Vax was no longer in ~danger~ of getting lolhammered.
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Post Post #7412 (isolation #1078) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:03 pm

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In post 4694, kuribo wrote:
vote:ABR



WHEN I FUCKING SHOOT SOMEONE THEY DAMN WELL BETTER DIE


NOW


WHO FUCKED WITH MY SHIT
Yeah this does not read fake.

Esp when he says "Who" not "what" messed up his shot (as in a BP would fall into the latter and I feel scum would say that unconsciously).
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Post Post #7416 (isolation #1079) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:13 pm

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Ohhhh I remembered I also wanted to point out I don't there more than 1 scum in the neighborhood because they "figured out" they were all the enablers like N2 or whatever and I feel if there was 2 scum they would have figured out much earlier.

I mean it's possible they did and kept quiet about it I guess?

Cephrir who was involved in the discussion of figuring out that the neighborhoods = enablers.
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Post Post #7417 (isolation #1080) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:15 pm

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Oh like what is truly important is if Cephrir/Majiffy are both scum then Majiffy would've been able to tell much easier it was neighbors=enablers, but the way he pushed to want to out the enablers because it would confirm them as town or w/e his theory was looked genuine that he didn't know who the enablers were yet regardless of his alignment.
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Post Post #7421 (isolation #1081) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:22 pm

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Yeah I think I am happy with my vote.

I don't think Cephrir/Majiffy make sense as partners.

Kuribo gonna bank on him being town because it's not even paranoia to think he shot a scum partner who didn't switch to BP-mode and then his posting after the night was extremely townie-like, would be pure dumb thinking (and if there was some bs that happened then I'm really not expected to go through leaps and guesses to get to it LOL no one can blame me).

So if there's 2 scum left really certain one of them is Hiplop. (And I especially disliked his opening posts today, the voting me and then unvoting felt really disingenuous and fake af)
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Post Post #7422 (isolation #1082) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:25 pm

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In post 7419, Cephrir wrote:thinking my miller claim is scummy isnt an ok opinion. here are the ok opinions:

a) it's my role
b) the mods put it in as a scum fakeclaim in the anticipation that this would be a reasonable role for scum to claim

do you think my character is likely to be in the game or a scum fakeclaim? do you think i would just make up being a miller for no reason? a and b are your options.
I think it was obvious I assumed it was option b in case you're scum?

Like you got scum fake claim as miller and you claimed it.
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Post Post #7424 (isolation #1083) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:27 pm

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Miller is a pretty good fakeclaim for scum to claim at the beginning it has huge merits I hate when people try to make the argument that scum would never fake claim miller because millers don't live up to lylo.

Edit: No I'm saying miller-enabler doesn't make sense because none of the other enablers are roled. It looked like you tried to use miller as your role but then you also got stuck outted as an enabler because people realized neighborhood=enablers.
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Post Post #7425 (isolation #1084) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:31 pm

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Also I'm not in the mood to go dig it up but in your first post you said:
In post 187, bundle of sticks wrote:hello

we're a miller

i'm having a shit day, so i will read the thread later or tomorrow

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And then in one most much later I think under Cephrir not the hydra account you responded to something like "I claimed miller but I may or may not have other abilities" when I put you as only miller in my chart.

But you didn't make that distinction in your first post, it looks like you just claimed miller.
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Post Post #7426 (isolation #1085) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:32 pm

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LOL that hiplop unvote on me is super bad the more I look at it.

"Obv scum" "unvote".
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Post Post #7427 (isolation #1086) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:33 pm

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Yeah I'm going to bed leaving my vote deuces~

Might look at more stuff tomorrow or something but p comfortable with hiplop-scum.
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Post Post #7429 (isolation #1087) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:44 pm

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OH I ALMOST FORGOT

Don't forget to

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Post Post #7438 (isolation #1088) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:01 am

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In post 7431, Cephrir wrote:
In post 7424, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Edit: No I'm saying miller-enabler doesn't make sense because none of the other enablers are roled. It looked like you tried to use miller as your role but then you also got stuck outted as an enabler because people realized neighborhood=enablers.
:facepalm:

whatever, you're scum anyway, you don't have to get it.
???

Please walk me through it then.

Why does a miller-enabler make sense when all the flipped enablers right now have only been enablers?

And you're free to vote me if you think I'm scum.
In post 7432, Cephrir wrote:
In post 7425, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Also I'm not in the mood to go dig it up but in your first post you said:
In post 187, bundle of sticks wrote:hello

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i'm having a shit day, so i will read the thread later or tomorrow

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And then in one most much later I think under Cephrir not the hydra account you responded to something like "I claimed miller but I may or may not have other abilities" when I put you as only miller in my chart.

But you didn't make that distinction in your first post, it looks like you just claimed miller.
i don't fullclaim for no reason. it's a good policy. look what happens when you don't: this game.
LOL dude this is bullshit and you know it.

I'm not saying you should've full claimed in your first post. I'm saying you didn't make the DISTINCTION that you may have more abilities.

It looked like you used the fake-claim as miller, but then were forced to actually claim enabler as well and combined it after.
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Post Post #7439 (isolation #1089) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:02 am

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Idk why both you and hiplop call me scum but yet refuse to put your vote where your mouth is keep waiting for the quick hammer attempt I guess?
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Post Post #7440 (isolation #1090) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:09 am

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Ohhhhhh I found it. Here's the difference:
In post 187, bundle of sticks wrote:hello

we're a miller

i'm having a shit day, so i will read the thread later or tomorrow

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In post 4960, Cephrir wrote:sad, your chart is missing my millerness. i haven't explicitly claimed or disclaimed whether there is anything else to my role.
Lol how you added that distinction in the second post.
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Post Post #7443 (isolation #1091) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:28 am

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In post 7441, Cephrir wrote:I was leaving the door open that I might have something good so I could still be a night kill target. When people claim ascetic do you assume they're a vanilla ascetic? Obviously not. I wanted to allow the possibility scum would want to nightkilled my useless ass.
Okay, if you were trying to do that why would you not say it at the beginning in your first post when you claimed miller?

You're proving my point. The fact that you only claimed miller without adding "I might have additional abilities" meant you wanted miller as your full claim. BUT then once the neighborhood figured out neighbors=enablers you wanted to make it clear you're not only a miller so once people out you're an enabler you can go "yeah haha I'm an enabler-miller".
In post 7441, Cephrir wrote:VOTE: SAD

You're not listening, so I guess there's no point in me considering you might be town.
LOL

wait a fucking min

you said I wasn't listening in your last posts too.

"whatever, you're scum anyway, you don't have to get it."

Doesn't sound like you were interested in "considering" I'm town there.

LMAO but when I call you out on not voting you put it there.
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Post Post #7444 (isolation #1092) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:29 am

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I want hiplop and cephrir to both keep their votes on me I'm confident that's the combo.
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Post Post #7446 (isolation #1093) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:30 am

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No cowarding or trying to quick hammer you put your votes where your mouth is.
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Post Post #7447 (isolation #1094) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:31 am

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In post 7382, hiplop wrote:VOTE: SAD obv scum.
In post 7385, hiplop wrote:UNVOTE:
In post 7431, Cephrir wrote:
In post 7424, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Edit: No I'm saying miller-enabler doesn't make sense because none of the other enablers are roled. It looked like you tried to use miller as your role but then you also got stuck outted as an enabler because people realized neighborhood=enablers.
:facepalm:

whatever, you're scum anyway, you don't have to get it.
In post 7439, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Idk why both you and hiplop call me scum but yet refuse to put your vote where your mouth is keep waiting for the quick hammer attempt I guess?
In post 7441, Cephrir wrote: VOTE: SAD

You're not listening, so I guess there's no point in me considering you might be town. Shaheeds law.
FUCKING LOL
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Post Post #7450 (isolation #1095) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:37 am

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In post 7448, Cephrir wrote:
In post 7443, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Okay, if you were trying to do that why would you not say it at the beginning in your first post when you claimed miller?

You're proving my point. The fact that you only claimed miller without adding "I might have additional abilities" meant you wanted miller as your full claim. BUT then once the neighborhood figured out neighbors=enablers you wanted to make it clear you're not only a miller so once people out you're an enabler you can go "yeah haha I'm an enabler-miller".
Because it's not necessary to say. Like I just said, if I claimed just ascetic, no one would assume i wasn't anything else. it's a modifier. i wanted to add that then because the existence of the table seemed like it was codifying "this is X's whole claim."
MILLER

IS NOT A MODIFIER 99% OF THE TIME

LMAO

Most of the time when people say "I'm a miller" then that means that's their role and you know it.
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Post Post #7453 (isolation #1096) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:40 am

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In post 7451, Cephrir wrote:You'll latch onto any possible point of attack without spending half a second to think about whether it makes sense at this point. You know you only need to sound logical long enough to try to trick whoever the third town player is into voting hiplop and there won't be a tomorrow if it works. :roll:
Hey how about you work on finding my partner then??

Yknow... like actually scumhunt for the first time this game?
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Post Post #7456 (isolation #1097) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:42 am

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In post 7454, Cephrir wrote:Regardless of whether you would like to pitch that I was planning on trying to get out of claiming enabler (which, incidentally, why? It sounds town), I was also a neighbor. Clearly I wasn't planning on claiming miller was my entire role, since you can't not claim neighbor when 4 other people know about it. Lol.
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Neighbor is not a role you can keep quite about. Enabler is a role you can (or you thought you can) keep quite about.
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Post Post #7459 (isolation #1098) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:43 am

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In post 7455, Cephrir wrote:
In post 7453, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 7451, Cephrir wrote:You'll latch onto any possible point of attack without spending half a second to think about whether it makes sense at this point. You know you only need to sound logical long enough to try to trick whoever the third town player is into voting hiplop and there won't be a tomorrow if it works. :roll:
Hey how about you work on finding my partner then??

Yknow... like actually scumhunt for the first time this game?
Lol. You yourself admitted I scumhunted plenty the first couple days of the game, and now it's "never." And here you go with the ridiculous "you're not playing the way I want you to so you must be scum" shit. I'm assuming it's Majiffy at this point, but I don't currently care very much as I'm more interested in making sure lylo even happens. kuribo will die tonight if we lynch you, so I should have the hammer easily and have all the time I want to decide between the other two.
????????????????????????????????????????????

How are we not already in lylo if there's 2 scum left.
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Post Post #7462 (isolation #1099) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:45 am

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Neighbor is a modifer to the fucking miller.

Form the wiki page "In addition, Neighbors have been known to possess other power roles, or even have powers that belong to the group as a whole."

You claimed a role, not the modifier, and then later you tried to pass it off as the modifier to a second role.
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Post Post #7467 (isolation #1100) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:51 am

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I mean I only quote once and the rest is me responding but keep trying to prove whatever point by spam quoting :]
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Post Post #7471 (isolation #1101) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:00 am

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In post 7468, Majiffy wrote:You people are the fucking worst


the fucking worst
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Post Post #7472 (isolation #1102) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:01 am

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But in all seriousness I'm basically already done playing b/c 99% sure it's Cephrir/Hiplop as the scum team if there's 2 left.

They can feel free to both keep their votes on me.
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Post Post #7476 (isolation #1103) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:37 am

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Sure, I'll do either of hiplop/cephrir.

I guess I'll take whichever kuribo wants first.
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Post Post #7482 (isolation #1104) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:00 am

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In post 7481, kuribo wrote:
In post 7476, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Sure, I'll do either of hiplop/cephrir.

I guess I'll take whichever kuribo wants first.
Sell me on the flavor for the duck whistle coming from scum
I really don't know.

Like if I can make sense of it I would.

But I know I'm town and I have a vote on someone who if town and there's 2 scum there could have been a scum double hammer because everyone's been around already. And there hasn't. I took that risk and it worked.

Now why I'm scumreading hiplop is the same reasons I was already previously before it was outted he was fruit vendor. The duck flavor can be fake-claims that is sent, it could be real and him it being scum flavor, it could be something that he chooses to write in and is sent, idk.
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Post Post #7484 (isolation #1105) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:01 am

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I actually do lean towards it is flavor that hiplop chose to write is sent

Because desperado had a fruit vendor as one of his shots and it was a "140 character message" that he can send to someone.

So hiplop could've just chosen that as his fruit vendor and prepared it for his fakeclaim of the duck dynasty character flavor.
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Post Post #7493 (isolation #1106) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:06 am

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I think the only Incubus song I know is Drive :( I usually listen to more metalish bands.
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Post Post #7495 (isolation #1107) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:12 am

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Cephrir this is the part where your me/majiffy theory gets shattered I suggest you pair me with Kuribo next.

Or pair Majiffy/Hiplop but that means they could've double hammered me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (well I know hiplop hasn't been around so it could technically still be this possibility)
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Post Post #7497 (isolation #1108) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:13 am

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Cephrir/Kuribo?

Ugh.
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Post Post #7498 (isolation #1109) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:14 am

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Or Cephrir/Majiffy scared I would unvote because I'm around?
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Post Post #7499 (isolation #1110) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:16 am

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Wait cephrir/kuribo were here together also before I went to sleep LOL wtf.
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Post Post #7501 (isolation #1111) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:18 am

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I seriously can't tell if you hammered a partner or that's a scum hammering on a townie for the win LOL.
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Post Post #7506 (isolation #1112) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:20 am

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If you and someone did win then it's p annoying and rude to continue to troll btw.
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Post Post #7508 (isolation #1113) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:22 am

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In post 7507, Majiffy wrote:Is this game over please someone tell me scum won that'd be great I'd be happy for them
I legit would be happy for like kuribo winning LOL he put in that A+ effort.
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Post Post #7519 (isolation #1114) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:28 am

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Author Mafia's post restriction was also p hard.
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Post Post #7522 (isolation #1115) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:28 am

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But I generally avoid post restriction games.

That one was because I wanted to do Edgar Allan Poe.
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Post Post #7529 (isolation #1116) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:33 am

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Ohhhhh Author Mafia had a scum fruit vendor!!! (UT modded that)

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If this game is not actually and cephrir is just trolling then yeah.
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Post Post #7530 (isolation #1117) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:35 am

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Wait Kuribo you were Hulk Hogan the scum fruit vendor. You should know UT puts in scum fruit vendors lol.
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Post Post #7533 (isolation #1118) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:38 am

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In post 7532, Majiffy wrote:I modded a game once with a compulsive automatic fruit vendor. The player couldn't do anything but just kept uselessly showing up places.

I think I used it as a scum role because people would try to setup-spec that such a useless role could only possibly be negative utility town/
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Post Post #7547 (isolation #1119) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:34 pm

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Lol jeez those scum PRs.

Cephrir's miller claim made no sense whatsoever but sadly no one believed me.

But it's p shitty that in a role madness game I get literally a useless role that can in-fact kill me because of PGOs, trying to force a game to be role-madness by filling it with some useless roles for town is just not a good look. Especially when the scumteam is stacked.

I have WORDS to say about the game as well as how some people played it but I will probably save it till later when I'm more likely to talk from a logical POV rather than emotional.

I will say though that I will never enter a game with hiplop in it again. Both his play here and DEFCON was atrocious and basically refusing to play the game.
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Post Post #7554 (isolation #1120) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:40 pm

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Also Serena was just a Jester and had an extremely easy wincon, was an annoying factor that does not help town. Doesn't help that our cop claimed day 2 either, which I really think was our only good role? But even that was countered by a framer.

How did town not get a doc with so many killing roles.

Also fucking lol DGB giving vigs because of out of game friendship made my day.
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Post Post #7557 (isolation #1121) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:43 pm

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In post 7555, Majiffy wrote:
In post 7554, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Also fucking lol DGB giving vigs because of out of game friendship made my day.
Like it sucks that it went to scum but don't act like you wouldn't too
?

I would give it to people who I was townreading...

But yknow, she was not playing the game so in her defense I guess she had to choose some way to give the vig shot.
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Post Post #7566 (isolation #1122) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:50 pm

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Yeah the scum team you guys played pretty well esp Kuribo and Fedora so p good job for that. Congrats!

A lot of the town out right refusing to play the game or trolling was extremely frustrating though and just plain shitty.
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Post Post #7567 (isolation #1123) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:50 pm

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Oh and Vaxkiller's fakeclaim was also p good he was buddying up to me well.
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Post Post #7595 (isolation #1124) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:09 pm

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You played fantastic Gin.
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Post Post #7607 (isolation #1125) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:16 pm

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I took a look at our lynches and I think every single person who was lynched was 100% deserved except for formerfish.

And in ADDITION to all those people who played badly getting lynched, we had people claiming important roles day 2, randomly desperadoing in the middle of a day, a jester, vigging badly, people going for the long con gambit and then site flaking and letting someone else try to clean their mess.

Just

like if anyone takes ANYTHING out of this game, it's that 1. do not enter if you're not going to play the game, and 2. if 1 ever does happen, replace out immediately.
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Post Post #7611 (isolation #1126) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:18 pm

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Also did Kuribo seriously shoot ABR without ABR switching into BP-mode?

Because I thought that was mod-confirmed and made Kuribo almost mod-confirmed town.
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Post Post #7621 (isolation #1127) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:24 pm

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In post 7614, Majiffy wrote:Yes sir he did and yes sir it did and that's why town would never have ever won this game ever
I mean even if we had lynched Cephrir

which wouldn't have happened because fucking lol hiplop would probably not have shown up again to the thread till after deadline

But even if by a miracle we did, Kuribo would just kill you or me and we would both go on hiplop in an instance.

I think the mod-clarification ended up doing more harm than good. If scum would've shot their own we would've gotten an extra lynch. May it would've helped maybe it wouldn't ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I would just like to have an actual role in a role madness game though next time because it feels super shitty when others get interesting and cool roles and I'm compulsive watcher :]
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Post Post #7655 (isolation #1128) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:46 pm

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In post 7631, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 7622, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:no one treated him as scum because of it
You have to look at the kills that were made instead of the Kuribo shot, though:

Spiffeh (Paragon), Desperado (confirmed town), Kise (power role), etc
I mean if you think anyone including you would have correctly lynched someone that shot a partner without that partner switching into BP-mode over lurkers and people that refused to play the game, then lol.

Kuribo could have been caught much earlier though. I did catch him when he had that weird push on Hocho Knife but then he just started yelling and tbh I'm not in the mood to go full apeshit toxic so I just dropped it then he hardcore AtE'd about how DGB was his friend and he has went through tough shit etc and I bought that.

But his Hocho Knife push was really bad. Other than that though no one could've pushed him through. There was like only a couple of people through out the course of the game that even suspected him: Hocho (who was just omgusing so doesn't really count), Kise, me, idk I can't think more off the top of my head. But his lynch would not have gone through in a million years with how this town played.
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Post Post #7656 (isolation #1129) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:48 pm

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In post 4394, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 4382, kuribo wrote:WHAT THE FUCK MAKES YOU THINK AFTER PUSHING A WAGON FOR EIGHTY PAGES I'D JUST GET COLD FEET FOR NO FUCKING REASON AS SCUM
Because your reasoning for pushing it in the first place was weak.

I'm also p sure you felt some form of guilt for picking on Katsuki, so you wanted something out of him to then be able to call him town, which is why you made your post of "Katsuki just please show me some of your towntells and I'll townread you".

And then when he magically self-votes, "Ohhhhh there it is haha yeah my read was just a joke guys finally dude I realize you're town".

Your read was never genuine in the first place, was it? It's okay man, you can tell me :]
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Post Post #7658 (isolation #1130) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:50 pm

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Then Kuribo had posts like these and I'm not about the toxic and yelling life plus when I did try to 1v1 Kuribo I realized quickly I wasn't gonna win the shouting contest nor were the few people who were playing more likely to believe me over Kuribo:
In post 4398, kuribo wrote:
In post 4394, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 4382, kuribo wrote:WHAT THE FUCK MAKES YOU THINK AFTER PUSHING A WAGON FOR EIGHTY PAGES I'D JUST GET COLD FEET FOR NO FUCKING REASON AS SCUM
Because your reasoning for pushing it in the first place was weak.

I'm also p sure you felt some form of guilt for picking on Katsuki, so you wanted something out of him to then be able to call him town, which is why you made your post of "Katsuki just please show me some of your towntells and I'll townread you".

And then when he magically self-votes, "Ohhhhh there it is haha yeah my read was just a joke guys finally dude I realize you're town".

Your read was never genuine in the first place, was it? It's okay man, you can tell me :]


WEAK


I WANTED KATSUKI TO DO ONE THING


ONE FUCKING THING


REMOTELY


FUCKING


TOWN
In post 4400, kuribo wrote:WHEN THE FUCK WOULD I FEEL GUILT


AS SCUM


FOR PUSHING MY FRIENDS


THATS WHAT FUCKING BEING SCUM IS


IF YOUR FUCKING ARGUMENT IS THAT I FELT GUILT BECAUSE I'M SCUM


I GOT ANOTHER FUCKING THING COMING TO YOU BUDDY

AND ITS A COCK
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In post 4404, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 4396, kuribo wrote:like fuck you, how do you know the vig shot has different kill flavor? how would town you know that scum won't just shoot you and let me take the fall
Because I'm willing to trade you + me if you're town for Tammy, Nacho, and Desp living an extra day.

But you don't have an actual scumread on me. If you do shoot me, you will try to frame it as you having a scumread on me + you being angry at me, meaning it would come from you-scum. It will be so easy to do too. Write a few big caps, then be like "he was annoying me so much", then "fuck him for being so scummy", and ezpz.

bitch, you best stop trying to read my fucking mind, because i assure you you won't like it in here



it's such a blatantly obvious attempt to stop me from shooting there
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fuck this and fuck SAD, grey, katsuki, and everyone else who wants on the list


that cold feet argument legit pissed me off, fuck you SAD for real and forever.
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Post Post #7727 (isolation #1131) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:24 pm

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In post 7721, kuribo wrote:but for real, thanks for the game, Reck and UT
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Post Post #7739 (isolation #1132) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:36 pm

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I liked the part where Kuribo was gonna vig me but then I said if he vigs me he's scum on thread LOL.

But yeah adding Kuribo to my policy lynch bracket sorry buddy :] You can't get anywhere near endgame.
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Post Post #7740 (isolation #1133) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:41 pm

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Wait I was in Tales of You under a hydra with Tammy??? I do not remember that game whatsoever.
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Post Post #7741 (isolation #1134) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:42 pm

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Wait we had the fucking highest post count with 1148 posts there???

I either had amnesia or something I seriously do not remember any of that game and I remember much older games than that...
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Post Post #7748 (isolation #1135) » Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:53 pm

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In post 7744, Tammy wrote:
In post 7740, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Wait I was in Tales of You under a hydra with Tammy??? I do not remember that game whatsoever.
You only made a few posts day one then flaked I think.
Ohhh I think I remember very few bits on me flaking on some game. Sorry it was that game idk what time period that was but yeah :(
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In post 7740, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Wait I was in Tales of You under a hydra with Tammy??? I do not remember that game whatsoever.
Well then I suppose you wouldn't remember how you promised me a really big favor if I flipped town when you hammered me!
Hmmmmm this sounds sus.
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Post Post #7816 (isolation #1136) » Tue May 02, 2017 3:11 am

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In post 7810, Syryana wrote:
In post 7798, Cephrir wrote:Yeah I stopped trying I knew it didn't matter <_>
I know, was fun to watch. Wonder if me stumping would have changed that at all?
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