Spring Fever (Endgame)

[Titus]

*I didn't need it = I didn't need the Slayer's gambit.

[Titus]

So tell me why Bella is scum. I have never played with the slot, and the slot has hardly done anything. Im incapable of sorting a slot like that - youre well aware of my playstyle.

I have my suspicions about JJ, but the same applies.

Feel free to convince me with compelling arguments Titus. For now I find no good reasons to vote either of these slots.

Im not gonna rehash my earlier statements what I think about the gamestate. You can check my Iso and look for medium walls.

TLDR: ~2 scum in Giga/frogger/ali/Titus/Heart - Scum are looking to run over the game.

Saying im not scumhunting is bullshit. Everyone knows it. Saying it after blatantly claiming youre not even catching up on whats actually happening is even worse.

And yes, youre being awful atm. Notice how I have never adressed you like that before, and draw your conclusions. Ill usually give you the respect you deserve, but the way youre going about it here is deserving of nothing.

First things first, you are treating me exactly like PyP, calling me awful and trying to rile me up.

I don't care for your blatant appeal to authority of the masses. If you're scumhunting, they can show me where. Insulting players isn't scumhunting.

Their terrible response to my slayet's gambit, trying to appease people and then lurking away is not protown at all.

I don't play go fish. If there's a post where you detail your Bella read, we can talk about it.

Randomly shading the obvtown block also is not doing you favors. The only one who might be scum there is Frogger.

[Titus]

Dunnstral is lying about being a watcher btw.
Like anyone who believes that should be aware it's a lie.

Why is it a lie?

[Titus]

Dunnstral is lying about being a watcher btw.
Like anyone who believes that should be aware it's a lie.

Why is it a lie?

Because he has lied before about being a watcher.

Just because he lied in the past doesn't mean he is lying now. It means it's a stunt he's capable of.

[Titus]

Dunnstral is lying about being a watcher btw.
Like anyone who believes that should be aware it's a lie.

Why is it a lie?

Because he has lied before about being a watcher.

Just because he lied in the past doesn't mean he is lying now. It means it's a stunt he's capable of.

Okay I claim lie detector and I checked his statement.
God damn it Titus

VOTE: Dunn

[Titus]

Fire, I need to bond with you. If you say no, I will bond with Heartless because he is obvious town to me too. But I should be bonding with you.

[Titus]

I was waiting for someone to tell me if lie detector can be a day thing. Titus, does that mean lie detector can be a day thing?

Yes. Lie detector means any statement can be pmmed to the mod. The mod will tell you if true or false.

[Titus]

I am town.

[Titus]

Wait.
In the active bond he is the watcher.
But in the passive bond he can still track? That's what I'm assuming based off of what he said. And that doesn't make sense because the passive can't use their abilities.

Not 100% true. I have an active that's redacted from me and a passive that supports who I bond with.

[Titus]

@jjh927, You say i am town in a separate post. That way it's 100 percent clear.

[Titus]

The logic is that it lets him function as a sheriff, right?

Right.

[Titus]

@Gork/Alisae, say the i am town statements please.

[Titus]

There is no such thing as an OBV-town block yet. And I do agree that of the 5 names listed, frogger is HIGH HIGH up on my suspicion list. Ive been playing it off, but his reactions to my accusations are rather telling (and they remind me exactly of Drixx' response to when I was onto his crap in civ).

And ill shade whoever I want. Im not gonna townread them just because theyre freely shitposting, or not doing anything. I have no reason whatsoever to TR any of those 5 names yet.

You are putting effort. That effort just isn't effective at sorting anyone.

For instance, you aren't checking to see if any of your so called reads can be scum together as a fail safe.

If you have no reason to TR hearless, alisae, or gork, I have zero reason to TR you. Alisae doesn't stick their neck out on their TB read as scum unless scum with you. She gets too much heat for the lynch if you're town. Heartless has lead the scumhunting charge. Gork matches every other game we played and we synced on tells, particulatly when scum were acting like I did in mafiaception.

[Titus]

titus are you fucking joking me? like, use your head. read fire's post again. and tell me that you still want me to say it.

Might as well. No harm. It's more effective than 90+ percent of posts since Vecna subbed in.

[Titus]

VOTE: Vecna

Jj's response on sheeping me is bad. Like he isn't willing to sheep on Vecna but he is elsewhere.

[Titus]

No, I don't have a lie detector guys.


Jesus.

I was literally not even trying to fool a single one of you.

Good reaction test all the same.

Starting to believe me yet Titus?

Are you willing to vote JJ?

Look, I don't believe you are town when you plug your ears. Sorry.

You'll have to shoot Heartless.

[Titus]

VOTE: Vecna

Jj's response on sheeping me is bad. Like he isn't willing to sheep on Vecna but he is elsewhere.

And youre voting me for this....why exactly?

Trying to look into links day1 is idiotic titus, thats why im not doing it yet.

Sorry. Links are my tunnel failsafe.

Are you willing to vote jj or bella?

[Titus]

How about this Titus, ill sheep you on whichever person you want today (well except me). Lets see how solid your connections & reads are today, yeah? Get me to bus my teammates oh mighty reader of gamestates/people

Fine, vote jj.

[Titus]

Wait, when did Bella become one of your scumreads, Titus?

This is why this is getting roped.

VOTE: JJ

@Vecna, yes. You're a scumread. I am waiting for you to scumhunt to break that.

[Titus]

If Titus is scum with Dunn and Dunn is fake claiming, Titus was so quick to bus when Fire mentioned the Lie Detector lmao.

Dunn's probably real claiming. Fake claimed guilties are wrong 90+ percent of the time. Fire reaction testing is pretty town.

[Titus]

why is jj scum?
that quote doesnt make it obvious at all.

Jj hasn't remembered my obvious reads at all, he's seeking to follow what's popular rather than his scumreads, he argues I am town with shit reads, but never provides better.

[Titus]

Away for dinner, back in an hour.

Titus, if you dare say that youre waiting for me to scumhunt one more time, im voting you for the rest of the game, without pause. No bluff. Thread lightly because your words will instantly loose the game for town here.

*shrug* On the off chance you forgot how to play, I'll refrain from expressing my opinion for awhile.

[Titus]

Titus in that case howcome he hasn't followed us onto Dunn?

Jj hasn't done anything but Dunn is in my suspects for a reason and he did vote after Lie Detector claim.

It could be jj scum wants nothing to do with lynching Dunn town hoping the townblock turns on itself.

@Fire, Nope. I will stay with Heartless. That offer was contingent on you being lie detector.

[Titus]

I thought your main scumreads were me, Vecna and Dunn. I know one of those is false, believe another to be false, and could be swung either way on Dunn.

Dunn is a second tier read.

[Titus]

Looking at your iso with a ctrl f on Bella seems to have jogged my memory. My bad.


Oh, I would have been happy to lynch Dunn with the lie detector claim, but I can't vote for someone who gets lynched and use my night action.

Oh. Why didn't you claim this first post?

[Titus]

Titus in that case howcome he hasn't followed us onto Dunn?

Jj hasn't done anything but Dunn is in my suspects for a reason and he did vote after Lie Detector claim.

It could be jj scum wants nothing to do with lynching Dunn town hoping the townblock turns on itself.

@Fire, Nope. I will stay with Heartless. That offer was contingent on you being lie detector.

Really?

Yup. I am with Heartless.

[Titus]

What do you mean, Titus?

Miller ascetic etc all get claimed post one.

[Titus]

Titus you are upsetting me greatly in this game.

Sorry. You upset me too but we can sort that out after we lynch jj.

[Titus]

I am neither miller nor ascetic though.

The wanting to avoid lynch wagons is negative utility.

[Titus]

Yeah, but why should I have to claim negative utility in my first post? And why does not doing that make me scum?

Why me, fry me.

Gee, you're aware of claiming miller and ascetic but you claim not to be aware of why.

[Titus]

Yeah I definitely believe you here and tbh I think you might be town for it tbh.

??????

alisae, I am about to smack you.

I feel the same. Alisae walking away from their tells on TB and then this... I'm frustrated too.

[Titus]

And Titus, if you don't wanna neighborize Heartless anymore, neighborize me instead. I need it.

No. We should stay with Heartless.

I only wanted to leave Heartless for a bit because I thought Firebringer was a lie detector. He wasn't so I stick with Heartless for now.

[Titus]

Like, if you were easy there would be people that are pushing you and stuff, or scum would make some sort of attempt to settle on you as a compromise or something, and I'm just not seeing any of that stuff here.

That should tell you that the main lynch target is Dunn and he's town. They don't need to compromise on a lynch wagon if the main target is town.

[Titus]

Also Vecna, what are your current reads?

Im still thinking Titus and Heartless are scum together. The way titus is TR'ing Heartless is totally fake.

Gork is still town

You and frogger are probably still town, allthough im not liking all the hip-hopping you guys are doing (but then again, I guess you might not be so carefree as scum)

Starting to feel slightly better about RM.

Still finding it hard to read Giga/eddy, fire and Transcend is also slightly weird and no longer as towny as I thought before.

Suspicions about Jjh are around.

Still up for lynching menno.

still have no idea how to sort Bella and that other alphabet guy that is still due to post a wall or explenation about their earlier reads.

Sorry that you can't attack my townread on Heartless. Deal with it. Fake how? You also say nothing about Heartless here.

This read wall is vapid on conclusions.

Gork is town. Why? We know he's town, but you don't detail why.

Feeling better about RM? Why?

There are suspicions about jj, but how do you feel about them.

It's hard to read Eddie hydra, giga and Transcend. Not true. They are all town, but you don't detail what conflict you have here that warrants leaving all these slots at null.

You basically say Frogger and Alisae are town, but try to build yourself an escape hatch.

No idea how to sort Bella or alphabet guy (who?). Again, you can lay out why these slots are the way they are.

Why are you wanting to lynch McMenno short of OMGUS?

[Titus]

And even if theyre banking on the claim saving him, itll be easy enough to figure it out before they endgame us that the claim is fake. Especially if someone (me) leashes them

leashing a tracker?
eww

Ding Ding Ding.

[Titus]

Also Vecna, what are your current reads?

Im still thinking Titus and Heartless are scum together. The way titus is TR'ing Heartless is totally fake.

Gork is still town

You and frogger are probably still town, allthough im not liking all the hip-hopping you guys are doing (but then again, I guess you might not be so carefree as scum)

Starting to feel slightly better about RM.

Still finding it hard to read Giga/eddy, fire and Transcend is also slightly weird and no longer as towny as I thought before.

Suspicions about Jjh are around.

Still up for lynching menno.

still have no idea how to sort Bella and that other alphabet guy that is still due to post a wall or explenation about their earlier reads.

Sorry that you can't attack my townread on Heartless. Deal with it. Fake how? You also say nothing about Heartless here.

This read wall is vapid on conclusions.

Gork is town. Why? We know he's town, but you don't detail why.

Feeling better about RM? Why?

There are suspicions about jj, but how do you feel about them.

It's hard to read Eddie hydra, giga and Transcend. Not true. They are all town, but you don't detail what conflict you have here that warrants leaving all these slots at null.

You basically say Frogger and Alisae are town, but try to build yourself an escape hatch.

No idea how to sort Bella or alphabet guy (who?). Again, you can lay out why these slots are the way they are.

Why are you wanting to lynch McMenno short of OMGUS?

If you'd actually read the game you'd have the answers to all of this Titus.

No. You can actually detail why you actually are acting the way you are. I have read enough of the game to know that certain slots are town. I don't need to deal with your spam.

[Titus]

Ill tread into a little more detail on the top one though. Youre attacking me for not scumhunting, yet youre townreading Heart for "leading the scumhunting charge". I really dont know what game you've been playing, but its clearly not this one.

Also, why am I the -only- one youre asking these questions to?

Youre not -at all- interested in interrogating anyone else.

Why is that? Because im the one onto your team?

Yeah, just repeating I'm wrong only inflates the game and doesn't actually do anything.

I'm asking you these questions to give you a chance to prove me wrong.

Each time, you tell me to wade through your oodles of spam to find something 40-50 pages ago. It won't happen.

If you're truly conflicted, you can detail why.

[Titus]

All of these details youre asking about - ive already talked about them in great detail. If youre actually interested (but youre not, because youre scum) you would read what ive been saying.

The one that hasnt detailed any of their reads, is you. And the ones you have detailed are just totally poor reasoning.

Heart -has not- been leading the scumhunting effort. In fact, theyre on the absolute BOTTOM of efforts when it comes to scumhunting. Fucking McMenno has done more scumhunting.

He can lead in fewer posts. I'm sorry that bothers you.

You've spammed a bunch of garbage. I'm not reading 200+ posts to guess at your reads when you should have been lynched prior to your sub in. If someone else can detail why you're conflicted, ok. I don't see anyone doing that though because you have been a hot garbage mess of leash the tracker nonsense.

[Titus]

it's weird after 150 pages there's 3 tiny ass wagons (Titus vecna dunn) and that's it

Umm jj wagon dissipated? When?

[Titus]

What's the point on a meta read on Vecna if you're not even using Vecna's meta?

So? It doesn't have to be the same person to employ the same tactics.

Aelita is making the argument that certain behaviors are scummy, regardless of the person holding them.

[Titus]

Right, so articulation is scummy. Got it.

1-800-Strawmen called. They want their words back.

[Titus]

Right, so articulation is scummy. Got it.

1-800-Strawmen called. They want their words back.

that isnt a strawman though that is what they are saying

No. They're saying the tone and the approach is very scummy. That's not saying articulation is scummy. Aelita is actually good at picking up tone stuff. They are the only player that can catch certain things.

[Titus]

Titus, is bonding with Heartless absolutely neccessary? Cos if I am active, Vecna's alignment will become apparent......

Ugh....

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Can I clone myself?

No.

Then I'll just take a nap.

[Titus]

Right, so articulation is scummy. Got it.

1-800-Strawmen called. They want their words back.

that isnt a strawman though that is what they are saying

No. They're saying the tone and the approach is very scummy. That's not saying articulation is scummy. Aelita is actually good at picking up tone stuff. They are the only player that can catch certain things.

they are not the same across these two games.
im als a strong tone player. RR was playing more victimised and appealing. If Vecna was playing like RR this game he would have come in and hard buddied me.

Nah, Vecna is playing the victim to my push, to Alisae's push, to Aelita's push and he's appealing to others to try and lynch us.

[Titus]

I am not asking you to clone yourself. I am asking whether bonding with them is absolutely neccessary.

I am stuck where I want to bond like with my entire town group so I'm pulled in more directions than I care to admit. Whatever choice I make, I'm sure it's the wrong one.

Can someone put up a list of current bonds?

[Titus]

Right, so articulation is scummy. Got it.

1-800-Strawmen called. They want their words back.

that isnt a strawman though that is what they are saying

No. They're saying the tone and the approach is very scummy. That's not saying articulation is scummy. Aelita is actually good at picking up tone stuff. They are the only player that can catch certain things.

they are not the same across these two games.
im als a strong tone player. RR was playing more victimised and appealing. If Vecna was playing like RR this game he would have come in and hard buddied me.

Nah, Vecna is playing the victim to my push, to Alisae's push, to Aelita's push and he's appealing to others to try and lynch us.

he really isnt. when you started being a dick for no reason about him wanting to bond heartless he could have so easily AtE'd that but he didn't. Alisae's push maybe, but not yours. He has a scumread on you and you complain that he tries to get people to lynch his scumread. i really don't need to explain why that is fucking stupid, especially when you townread aelita.

Nah, he has been AtEing with my push. Whenever I ask him to explain anything, his answers are whining and crying and he just OMGUSed me when it was clear I wasn't falling for his bullshit. He doesn't have a legit scumread. He's just appealing to try and get me lynched.

He's backed into a corner as Vecna, jj, bella is just the obvious fucking answer and has been for the last umpteen pages of crap. I'm just waiting for y'all to catch up.

[Titus]

And to be honest, I don't trust Heartless fully.

Then, let's lynch JJ today. Align with Heartless tonight. Then tomorrow, either we rope Vecna or I align with you as passive.

[Titus]

Like the only place I could be wrong is Squif, but I didn't think he was scum early on.

[Titus]

Right, so articulation is scummy. Got it.

1-800-Strawmen called. They want their words back.

that isnt a strawman though that is what they are saying

No. They're saying the tone and the approach is very scummy. That's not saying articulation is scummy. Aelita is actually good at picking up tone stuff. They are the only player that can catch certain things.

they are not the same across these two games.
im als a strong tone player. RR was playing more victimised and appealing. If Vecna was playing like RR this game he would have come in and hard buddied me.

Nah, Vecna is playing the victim to my push, to Alisae's push, to Aelita's push and he's appealing to others to try and lynch us.

he really isnt. when you started being a dick for no reason about him wanting to bond heartless he could have so easily AtE'd that but he didn't. Alisae's push maybe, but not yours. He has a scumread on you and you complain that he tries to get people to lynch his scumread. i really don't need to explain why that is fucking stupid, especially when you townread aelita.

Nah, he has been AtEing with my push. Whenever I ask him to explain anything, his answers are whining and crying and he just OMGUSed me when it was clear I wasn't falling for his bullshit. He doesn't have a legit scumread. He's just appealing to try and get me lynched.

He's backed into a corner as Vecna, jj, bella is just the obvious fucking answer and has been for the last umpteen pages of crap. I'm just waiting for y'all to catch up.

he is getting annoyed because you are making up reasons to justify your scumread on him.

No. He's AtEing that and you're buying it.

I didn't make up Alisae's accuracy rate.
I didn't make up his tone.
I didn't make up his bullshit attempt to divide me and Heartless and subsequent whining when that failed.
I didn't make up his posts are spammy bullshit that say nothing, and he says go fish when I try to talk to him.

So just what about my scumread on him is made up?

[Titus]

And to be honest, I don't trust Heartless fully.

Then, let's lynch JJ today. Align with Heartless tonight. Then tomorrow, either we rope Vecna or I align with you as passive.

There is only one problem with that. I have this belief that whoever becomes passive, stays passive, permanently.

That doesn't seem to be factually correct. Is that something unique to your role PM?

I see nothing stopping you from being active tomorrow.

[Titus]

Like the only place I could be wrong is Squif, but I didn't think he was scum early on.

you could be wrong on every single one of your reads.

There's the theoretical possibility that I'm wrong. I don't see any evidence for it.

I don't believe I can be wrong here though.

Not with town getting wagoned so easily and scum adopting a will not bus posture. It took pages to get Vecna to bus.

[Titus]

Right, so articulation is scummy. Got it.

1-800-Strawmen called. They want their words back.

that isnt a strawman though that is what they are saying

No. They're saying the tone and the approach is very scummy. That's not saying articulation is scummy. Aelita is actually good at picking up tone stuff. They are the only player that can catch certain things.

they are not the same across these two games.
im als a strong tone player. RR was playing more victimised and appealing. If Vecna was playing like RR this game he would have come in and hard buddied me.

Nah, Vecna is playing the victim to my push, to Alisae's push, to Aelita's push and he's appealing to others to try and lynch us.

Victim my ass, you havent even provided a single reason as to why im scum that anyone except Aelita is agreeing to....and thus youre hard-buddying aelita now.

Your reads are fabricated shit, and you only slam on me for certain things that you dont give a shit about from the rest of the game.

You havent called out a single person to start scum-hunting, to explain anything theyre done in great detail, and your actual way of hunting, or forming town-blocks has been complete weak-sauce.

As opposed to that, you were trying to make me townread you by doing the same crap you did in PYP and that other game - im sure people that played in PYP and gorkington should be seeing this as well. constantly hammering that im not doing shit, that im not scumhunting - then when you get confronted with the truth, you attack the content, saying its garbage, saying you dont wanna read it because its too much.

Nonsense, all of it.

But hey, im just Ate'ing because im attacked, I totally dont have a valid point here. Its absolutely not because Titus doesnt wanna bus teammates.

VOTE: Titus

Nah, again. Another lie with the hard buddying Aelita. They've been obvtown since the start. You tried pushing them and you failed. Again, it happens every time.

I haven't called out a single person to scumhunt. That's just a lie. I've done it to you and jj. I don't need to ask town to scumhunt because they do.

I did the same crap in Pick your power, where I caught you as scum. So yeah, keep arguing that I'm doing what I do as town and voting me.

[Titus]

VOTE: Vecna

Fine, if you're not willing to bus anymore. We can hang you.

[Titus]

Normally if you were town, you'd call people out bullshit like this thing Aelita is doing. If id ask you 4x why you scumread Bella you'd answer me and have a good answer. You wouldnt instantly flop onto Dunnstral as soon as Firebringer makes some weird comment about whatever that role was he claimed. You'd investigate first.

1) Aelita has been obvious town. You know she's town. So why should I call them out again?

2) I answered why I scumread Bella. Their terrible reaction to my Slayer's gambit.

3) Firebringer claimed a guilty. I didn't have Dunn as lock town. If I did, I would have voted Fire. I didn't need to investigate Fire because I've already sorted him.

[Titus]

heartless seems to be engaing in pointless 1v1s rather than generating useful content

i have no idea

how i'm accountable for any of those

also i've mentioned reads outside of 1 v 1 s so... no?

Can we just lynch Vecna now and go to night? I'd like Aelita to see town you, which is harder for her to do in the spam that Vecna makes.

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

Grow up.

[Titus]

Not sure how that vote makes me immature, but ok. Thanks for the personal attack.

If you're town, you divided my townblock because I guess you couldn't handle me being obvtown. I can't see why town you would do that otherwise, but I wouldn't be catching this much flack from people and having my townreads TR me unless I'm right soooooo

[Titus]

Also Vecna, what are your current reads?

Im still thinking Titus and Heartless are scum together. The way titus is TR'ing Heartless is totally fake.

Gork is still town

You and frogger are probably still town, allthough im not liking all the hip-hopping you guys are doing (but then again, I guess you might not be so carefree as scum)

Starting to feel slightly better about RM.

Still finding it hard to read Giga/eddy, fire and Transcend is also slightly weird and no longer as towny as I thought before.

Suspicions about Jjh are around.

Still up for lynching menno.

still have no idea how to sort Bella and that other alphabet guy that is still due to post a wall or explenation about their earlier reads.

Sorry that you can't attack my townread on Heartless. Deal with it. Fake how? You also say nothing about Heartless here.

This read wall is vapid on conclusions.

Gork is town. Why? We know he's town, but you don't detail why.

Feeling better about RM? Why?

There are suspicions about jj, but how do you feel about them.

It's hard to read Eddie hydra, giga and Transcend. Not true. They are all town, but you don't detail what conflict you have here that warrants leaving all these slots at null.

You basically say Frogger and Alisae are town, but try to build yourself an escape hatch.

No idea how to sort Bella or alphabet guy (who?). Again, you can lay out why these slots are the way they are.

Why are you wanting to lynch McMenno short of OMGUS?

And just to drive the point home, ill answer this shit once again. Because I am as a matter of fact town, and this time its your turn to get lynched.

I can attack your read on Heart just fine. Eddy agreed whole-heartedly on my assesment that the slot hasnt been doing jack shit, Aelita even agreed with this that the slot is suspicious. I dare you to backup your statement that the slot has been "leading the scumhunting". Lets see you make that case and have people agree with it, because -noone- is going to buy that crap. Townreading them for whatever other reason I couldve see, this reason was total nonsense.

The gork point. Oh dear I didnt detail why. Noone has detailed their reads, but ofcourse im supposed to to it, because Titus is special and gets to demand shit without doing -anything- herself. Gorkington is town because he is producing short content, snappy attacks and he doesnt give a fuck what anyone thinks about his play. He is freely attacking anyone that talks shit, as in the way he's doing to me. He's not afraid at all to put himself in the crosshairs - and even though I disagree with a shitton he's saying his behaviour and playstyle is a direct copy of that other game. Everyone knows this, and the fact youre asking me to repeat this is just trying to paint me in a certain way.

You randomly stating that my three conflicted reads are all town doesnt mean shit either. Why dont you explain your read? No you dont, because youre once again the special one with privileges. Im not certain about Giga because she's been holding on to the scumread on me and Giga for a long time. I feel Giga shouldve been able to tell my game apart from my scumgame by now. So should you have been able, because its rather blatant this is not my scumgame. I dont like how they kept me and Dunn as a backup option for so long. I didnt like how they reacted to their early game wagon. I didnt like how they announced they were writing a wall 3 times. I liked most of their other content, but theres a bunch of things that just rub me the wrong way. Ive discussed all this before in dreadfull detail, but youre too important to read it and are scum for it. Transcend is hard to read because theyre trolling, non-stop. The way they were just voting whereever gave me pause a number of times. Saying im time, and then voting me was super weird - only for them to give their vote to me afterwards. Its possible for them to do this as either allignment I believe, and transcend is the one that I know can fake disinterest very well. I explained this several times as well, but you need it directly presented to your face obviously, because you need reasons to be able to ignore everything ive said before.

I did build myself an escape hatch on the frogger and Alisae read, with good reason. Alisae flips between obv-town to blowing with the wind. When pressed on these issues it always comes back to defenses such as "but you know I love to sheep my townreads" or other stuff like that. Theyre doing a lot of things that I frown at, such as townreading me - and then instantly going to vote me when frogger does for nonsensical reasons. Theyre still likely town, but not lock-town completely. Frogger doesnt play like civ, but he does play like a lot of his other games. My concern is there because I still havent had the time to analyze one of his scumgames.

Im not going to explain again that bella hasnt done shit and ive never played with her again, but somehow in greater detail. The same applies to the other guy.

Ive already explained why im fine with lynching McMenno - its a policy lynch. One of the rare cases where im fine with donig it, because this slot is the most impossible one to read on all of Epicmafia because all he does is just do the same rediculous trolling all game. Either he's the scum pushed mislynch later on in the game, or hes scum in which case he needs to be lynched regardless.

But hey, im sure its all just garbage once again

His ISO just bleeds fucking town until you spammed it out. He obvtowned Alisae with me. Heartless just is. He doesn't need a case. No one is voting him for a reason.

Gork isn't a major point of discussion. Just like Heartless, this one doesn't need to be proven. I only included this one, because it's another example of you not giving reasons.

I'm not one with special priviledges, but this just sounds like whining that I'm town and you can't do jackshit about it. You're not sure about people who scumread you and hold onto it for a long time. Guess what? THAT MAKES THEM OBVIOUS FUCKING TOWN. Role PMs don't change based on your spam shit. This is rather blantantly the crying shit. I'm just through with it. You NEVER got this way in Civ. You did in PyP. So, I want you roped. You don't like they announced they were writing a wall three times. Is two or four better? Like I can announce I'm doing things too, and not do them due to RL. I said I was going to take a nap, but I haven't done that. Keeping Dunn as a backup option is the closest thing to a sideways glance but his play warranted it. Yet, he was the only one to really balls commit to scumreading me, so I was hesitatnt there too.

Alisae actually works with people as town. Sorry if that's shocking to you.

You can act like I'm too imporant to read stuff. Rather, if you want me to engage with something, make it short, concise and honest. That will get my attention. 500+ posts of wall spam that tell me there's one wall in there somewhere, I start looking at my bed and CRAVING doing anything else instead.

[Titus]

heartless seems to be engaing in pointless 1v1s rather than generating useful content

i have no idea

how i'm accountable for any of those

also i've mentioned reads outside of 1 v 1 s so... no?

Can we just lynch Vecna now and go to night? I'd like Aelita to see town you, which is harder for her to do in the spam that Vecna makes.

i rly don't have any inclination to dissuade ppl from voting vecna. but i do think he's more likely town.

where are u / were u on dunn? i kind of lost track

Dunn is probably town, but even if I had doubts, I don't want to lynch that claim.

If Vecna is town (humoring you because you're my biggest townread), then he needs to shut the fuck up, stop with the woe is me garbage and listen.

Scum would be bella, jj, frogger, and random most likely.

Still, I'd bet my bottom dollar that Vecna is scum.

[Titus]

Gigabond?

pregame eddie and i basically were like transcend-or-bust but maybe we can do one of those things were you two duke it out to try to court me something

~giggles

ok...

yeah thats kind of an important post for literally the post after the next post you make

also fire lemme help you sort heartless:




theyre townie

now help me sort dunn because im pretty sure he decided to fuck w me this game and im not letting myself get hardpocketted by his bsassbullshit

i suppose you could say i'm DONEstral

What? I didn't even do anything and giga is acting like I've been annoying them

........... did you just forget that 156 exists lmao

Oh

I see what this is

Giga rolled scum and doesn't want to be in a neighborhood with me because they're rightly scared I'd read them for what they truly are

i want to vote u for this but im pretty sure ur more likely to fuck with me as town so uh




donestral

ok, I'm town here. Still didn't actually do anything though
My reaction in the quote feels justified because I'm pretty sure Giga would jump at the chance to bond with me actually

thats actually bullshit because i literally said that eddie and i planned on bonding with transcend no matter what on day 1 and you literally quoted and responded to the post where i say that

Shut up about stats

are you scum?

Same thing as Titus where this game became the twilight zone and nobody wants to work with me/hold a conversation with me
This isn't how giga usually acts.

that was eddie and that was a completely valid question anyway

@eddiebyet

- how is Aelita's response to dunn's push "obvtown"?

i like how she spat in dunn's face

I really need to shower because I smell, but I also want to stay tuned. Do we have an ETA on this post of epic proportions and can we have some lift music?

idk like an hour - i basically just posted in the hydra pt "hold on im gonna write a wall" and we've been bouncing some stuff of each other just now (we're probably voting dunn btw but mcmenno's a candidate too)

nice job literally removing the part of the post that explains that part

This post really confuses me, first of all they're being wagoned here and I NEVER EVEN VOTED THEM AT THIS POINT and instead of thinking to look on their own wagon they come after ME (again, I'm not even endorsing their wagon)

I literally **pointed to posts** when you asked me to where you endorsed the wagon and you're just going to deny that you did? lmao

you also never gave me a satisfactory answer to why you were voting for gork at the time you made those posts

And then they say things like "if he's scum he probably thought he could try to hardbuddy me like he does as town but then once i started getting heat he realized that'd look weird as hell after my flip."
Do I "hardbuddy" as town? How is me asking for a pt here and trying to engage you hard buddying

the only way you've attempted to ever engage with me is to throw bullshit at me, i'm supposed to townread this how? and you know that i like being teased, i find your sense of humor hilarious but here it feels manipulative and like you were trying to get me to like you

"but like if he's going to go around and push gork with me, then scumread me when he has the meta knowledge to not do that"
What meta knowledge???? not to do "that"
Seriously, what are you talking about?

you didn't even read my wall ok

"tl;dr: seems like he's simultaneously trying to pocket me while also hiding in the majority push on me. seems like a really gross conflict in motive. "

That doesn't even make sense as something I'd be doing

which is why it's scummy

I scumread dunn in bee movie mafia but i had a stronger scumread in creature in that game

i pushed dunn in rvs lazily in that game in a similar manner i pushed gork in this game (who i also scumread at the time)

I was town in bee movie mafia

yeah but i scumread you wHICH IS THE POINT HOLY CRAP

my compadre is voting dunn. my mental vote is on think rn.

This double read continues on for the rest of the game and it's really scummy

At this point I'm still not sure why Giga actually thinks I'm scum and wants me so bad

explain how it's scummy because eventually i convinced eddie that you're a better vote and i'm pretty sure that shows in thread

dunn you're normally obtuse and i know you're doing it to get at my nerves but like you're actively denying things that provably happened and i think it's because you're scum this time :/

THAT's 1000 POSTS AGo

thats like every mention of my name in your iso??

I was pushing creature as well

right because i was strongarming it

I'm scum denying things that provably happened?
why can't I just be mistaken/you're misunderstanding

they're things YOU said

Anyway, I don't really need to go on to the rest of the game it's just a big long tunnel on me (and to a lesser extend, the vecna slot) without actually engaging/trying to talk to me

I'm going to link the same two games I linked for titus, pyp x/y and pyp double deck:


Slightly different posting style but also note the interactions with me in this game, and the interactions with their top scumreads. it's not at all how this game went down, giga was trying to figure things OUT in that game
Now look back here and see them mindlessly call for my lynch

i don't see much of a difference between how i'm pushing you vs. alban

ANOTHER thing to note that may be of relevance: that game was really long because giga was one of the players who really had to think things through again and again before commiting to a read; so much false confidence here

have you considered that having a second head helps with my waffling issue?? it's literally why i started hydraing

double deck:

Same deal
So much organic game solving, too, on day 1

this is a 150+ page gargantuan mess, that game didn't get that far in D1 and had more players. it's a different sorting algorithm. most of my play here has been reading and responding, there i was able to keep up with the activity since i didn't have a job and be a bit more in touch with whats going on. this isnt even a good point anyway like i'm still proud of my gork stuff and the results i got from it

VOTE: dunn

i literally do not give a shit about the claim this needs to be resolved

i deleted some quotes for the sake of space since they were tangential to dunn's case but here you should basically see that dunn's push on me is based in deliberately missing my point with like................... any play he's made here

Ughhhh whyyyyy

[Titus]

read his case?? it's terrible

Everything posted in this thread has been terrible since Vecna got here.

[Titus]

Can we just agree that

Heartless
Dunn
Alisae
Aelita
myself
Gork
Fire
and
Transcend

are all fucking town?

Can we do that?

[Titus]

We do that, then the bickering is all fucking pointless and scum are dead by PoE anyway.

Oh I forgot Eddie in 3814.

[Titus]

no because dunn is in that list for some reason

I meant you instead of Dunn. GAH SLEEP

[Titus]

Can we just agree that

Heartless

Dunn

Eddie hydra
Alisae
Aelita
myself
Gork
Fire
and
Transcend

are all fucking town?

Can we do that?

EBWOP

If we have a townblock that fucking large, scum can't break it so what the fuck ever man

[Titus]

no because dunn is in that list for some reason

I meant you instead of Dunn. GAH SLEEP

<:/

anyway if theres a bigger wagon on like vecna or jj i'll sheep i guess but i really dont see what the utility is in keeping a tracker/watcher claim with legit flavor alive if it's obvscum

like scum can have either of those roles

They can. Dunn just isn't obvscum to me though. If the majority of that block agrees Dunn is scum, I'll plug my nose and do it but he's not nor has he ever been a primary scumread of mine.

[Titus]

Also Vecna, what are your current reads?

Im still thinking Titus and Heartless are scum together. The way titus is TR'ing Heartless is totally fake.

Gork is still town

You and frogger are probably still town, allthough im not liking all the hip-hopping you guys are doing (but then again, I guess you might not be so carefree as scum)

Starting to feel slightly better about RM.

Still finding it hard to read Giga/eddy, fire and Transcend is also slightly weird and no longer as towny as I thought before.

Suspicions about Jjh are around.

Still up for lynching menno.

still have no idea how to sort Bella and that other alphabet guy that is still due to post a wall or explenation about their earlier reads.

Sorry that you can't attack my townread on Heartless. Deal with it. Fake how? You also say nothing about Heartless here.

This read wall is vapid on conclusions.

Gork is town. Why? We know he's town, but you don't detail why.

Feeling better about RM? Why?

There are suspicions about jj, but how do you feel about them.

It's hard to read Eddie hydra, giga and Transcend. Not true. They are all town, but you don't detail what conflict you have here that warrants leaving all these slots at null.

You basically say Frogger and Alisae are town, but try to build yourself an escape hatch.

No idea how to sort Bella or alphabet guy (who?). Again, you can lay out why these slots are the way they are.

Why are you wanting to lynch McMenno short of OMGUS?

And just to drive the point home, ill answer this shit once again. Because I am as a matter of fact town, and this time its your turn to get lynched.

I can attack your read on Heart just fine. Eddy agreed whole-heartedly on my assesment that the slot hasnt been doing jack shit, Aelita even agreed with this that the slot is suspicious. I dare you to backup your statement that the slot has been "leading the scumhunting". Lets see you make that case and have people agree with it, because -noone- is going to buy that crap. Townreading them for whatever other reason I couldve see, this reason was total nonsense.

The gork point. Oh dear I didnt detail why. Noone has detailed their reads, but ofcourse im supposed to to it, because Titus is special and gets to demand shit without doing -anything- herself. Gorkington is town because he is producing short content, snappy attacks and he doesnt give a fuck what anyone thinks about his play. He is freely attacking anyone that talks shit, as in the way he's doing to me. He's not afraid at all to put himself in the crosshairs - and even though I disagree with a shitton he's saying his behaviour and playstyle is a direct copy of that other game. Everyone knows this, and the fact youre asking me to repeat this is just trying to paint me in a certain way.

You randomly stating that my three conflicted reads are all town doesnt mean shit either. Why dont you explain your read? No you dont, because youre once again the special one with privileges. Im not certain about Giga because she's been holding on to the scumread on me and Giga for a long time. I feel Giga shouldve been able to tell my game apart from my scumgame by now. So should you have been able, because its rather blatant this is not my scumgame. I dont like how they kept me and Dunn as a backup option for so long. I didnt like how they reacted to their early game wagon. I didnt like how they announced they were writing a wall 3 times. I liked most of their other content, but theres a bunch of things that just rub me the wrong way. Ive discussed all this before in dreadfull detail, but youre too important to read it and are scum for it. Transcend is hard to read because theyre trolling, non-stop. The way they were just voting whereever gave me pause a number of times. Saying im time, and then voting me was super weird - only for them to give their vote to me afterwards. Its possible for them to do this as either allignment I believe, and transcend is the one that I know can fake disinterest very well. I explained this several times as well, but you need it directly presented to your face obviously, because you need reasons to be able to ignore everything ive said before.

I did build myself an escape hatch on the frogger and Alisae read, with good reason. Alisae flips between obv-town to blowing with the wind. When pressed on these issues it always comes back to defenses such as "but you know I love to sheep my townreads" or other stuff like that. Theyre doing a lot of things that I frown at, such as townreading me - and then instantly going to vote me when frogger does for nonsensical reasons. Theyre still likely town, but not lock-town completely. Frogger doesnt play like civ, but he does play like a lot of his other games. My concern is there because I still havent had the time to analyze one of his scumgames.

Im not going to explain again that bella hasnt done shit and ive never played with her again, but somehow in greater detail. The same applies to the other guy.

Ive already explained why im fine with lynching McMenno - its a policy lynch. One of the rare cases where im fine with donig it, because this slot is the most impossible one to read on all of Epicmafia because all he does is just do the same rediculous trolling all game. Either he's the scum pushed mislynch later on in the game, or hes scum in which case he needs to be lynched regardless.

But hey, im sure its all just garbage once again

His ISO just bleeds fucking town until you spammed it out. He obvtowned Alisae with me. Heartless just is. He doesn't need a case. No one is voting him for a reason.

Gork isn't a major point of discussion. Just like Heartless, this one doesn't need to be proven. I only included this one, because it's another example of you not giving reasons.

I'm not one with special priviledges, but this just sounds like whining that I'm town and you can't do jackshit about it. You're not sure about people who scumread you and hold onto it for a long time. Guess what? THAT MAKES THEM OBVIOUS FUCKING TOWN. Role PMs don't change based on your spam shit. This is rather blantantly the crying shit. I'm just through with it. You NEVER got this way in Civ. You did in PyP. So, I want you roped. You don't like they announced they were writing a wall three times. Is two or four better? Like I can announce I'm doing things too, and not do them due to RL. I said I was going to take a nap, but I haven't done that. Keeping Dunn as a backup option is the closest thing to a sideways glance but his play warranted it. Yet, he was the only one to really balls commit to scumreading me, so I was hesitatnt there too.

Alisae actually works with people as town. Sorry if that's shocking to you.

You can act like I'm too imporant to read stuff. Rather, if you want me to engage with something, make it short, concise and honest. That will get my attention. 500+ posts of wall spam that tell me there's one wall in there somewhere, I start looking at my bed and CRAVING doing anything else instead.

How much content got generated in civ? Why did you never complain about having to read stuff there?

My initial post that you attacked here -was- honest and concise, but YOU ASKED ME TO EXPAND AND ADD MORE WORDS. so then dont fucking complain afterwards that more words follow.

If you'd actually been reading my content - and the game at large, you'd realize ive been working with people just fine. Its you thats been avoiding that. its you thats been generating shit & fake reasoning to keep your vote on me without explenation. Ive demonstrated that -your- reasoning for reading people is not genuine.

And in civ you were the one that stated that shading is a scumtell. So why, from the moment ive joined have you only done the following:
-Vecna is not doing anything
-Vecna only has horrible content
-Vecna only produces garbage
-Vecna's reads are total shit

This is why im scumreading you to kingdom come. Normally youre flawless in reading me. This game youre terrible, and your reasoning isnt even remotely believable. All youre doing to get me lynched is shade me. You cannot put a fucking finger on anything where im wrong, You havent backed up AT ALL why I havent been scumhunting - except making stupid attacks on my reads because "X is obvtown for either a shitty or no reason at all". And on top of that youre praising people for the most dumb arguments when theyre attacking me. "oh Aelita is just making the point that some playstyles are scummy no matter what". In what universe does a Town-Titus EVER subscribe to such kind of logic, whether she's town or not?

You've had enough chances. Im all in. Even if you succeed in lynching me today im gonna die with a wall that wont let you escape the next day. Because I can tell you one thing: im gonna flip town

I tried to commmit Seppuku in Civ, so yeah I was even MORE frustrated there than I was here.

It's been true. Every reason you gave for a read is bad.

I created a whole method of analyzing votes without playstyle. Aelita works as tone. I've hydraed with them and they had decent reads but were too shy to share them.

I have been flawless with you, because I can tell by your tude which alignment you are usually.

[Titus]

I actually would like Dunn to track me. I can't say why though.

It'll confirm Heartless.

[Titus]

Well, I could confirm him as town. Scum would possibly not be true, but if I visit Heartless tonight, he's town.

[Titus]

if ur claiming what i think, i don't think ur understanding how confirmation works titus

I'm not. I'll explain tomorrow and in the hood tonight.

But Dunn has to track me, and give the result.

Then, y'all are happy. He's leashed. We get conftown out of it, or scum have to throw practically all of their resources at this.

Then, we can eliminate the jj/random/vecna/bella/froggers of this world, who are making the game impossible. Obvtown lives. Win win win.

[Titus]

ok well then i guess ur not softing weak...

do whatever

Not weak. That's why Dunn has to track me. I have to be informed whether I actually visit you.

[Titus]

Vecna, did I TR you correctly in Civ? Yes or no.

[Titus]

Do you see any problem with Dunn tracking me?

[Titus]

@Vecna

And might I ask why you still attacking Titus after the reveal? Let me guess, you don't want a conftown?

I cannot fathom how some of you could possibly townread this.

Nor can I, which is why we are just going to end this fucking day by sheeping whoever isn't voting our townblock or Dunn.

[Titus]

Do you see any problem with Dunn tracking me?

Only in the scenario of you + heart + dunn being scum, which cannot be completely ruled out, but I doubt you would be that blatant about it.

Im fine with doing that.

Great, then revote JJ or Bella and we can get out of this day.

[Titus]

Vecna, did I TR you correctly in Civ? Yes or no.

Noone is arguing that youre usually correct in reading me Titus. But youre also stubborn enough to give my slot a bullet after 12 ingame hours killing yourself, and you are either showing a much greater ammount of wrong stubbornness or scum-motivated tunneling here.

So this is referring to Elemental Trinity.

Nah, I just desperadoed you because I had zero hope of gaining reads due to in game spam and I wanted a confident conftown if wrong.

[Titus]

Vecna, can we just vote JJ to get this stupidly long day 1 over with? We're at 155 pages, and you're still basically doing nothing I find useful. All that's happening is my TRs are dividing themselves among wagons and it needs to stop.

You want me to TR you, get a scum lynch and mitts off my townblock.

[Titus]

@Vecna

: Thanks for the reply....If Dunn is scum, I fully expect him to bus especially because Alisae, Aelita, and I are in this game. The four of us just completed a game where Dunn was scum with Aelita, and Dunn said in the scum PT that he wouldn't bus Aelita.

So I expect him to bus if scum. But assuming he is scum, why bus Titus of his 3 buddies is a good question. However, it was a super weak bus. He just vote parked there until I pushed him to do something with it. Titus saying he went balls out is quality distancing, trying to make it look like later in the game that if one of them flip scum the other can't be, because as I pointed out, he didn't go balls out to bus her until I called him out for not doing so for 70 of his posts, 800 game posts, and 32 pages of just vote parking her.

Titus' statement is factually false.

Yes frogger, she is distorting a lot here. And most of it is probably invisible to most even, since it doesnt affect your slot.

Truth be told though, she does the same shit as town sometimes to get what she wants, and its freaking annoying to fight against as either allignment.

At any rate, I cannot ignore all the crap that she's tried to stack against me. I cannot see any town logic in it, and I KNOW FOR A FACT my play should scream town to anyone observing me over a sufficient sample size. Alisae sees it, Random sees it, I bet you see it, and sure as shit of all people Titus should see it.

That's the same argument you made in Pick Your Power.

[Titus]

VOTE: JJ

[Titus]

YOU created this by reading me wrong, by insulting my play and attacking everything I do. Dont put this on me, this is because of YOUR bad read or your scum shenanigans.

No it's because you're fucking useless.

You have a clean slate. You earn a TR when you vote scum and lynch them. Not a moment before.

[Titus]

So yes, but I am annoyed with you and I am only agreeing to unite town.

[Titus]

I'm already pissed off that I have to practically dictate night actions to get heads from asses when I want to be asleep IRL.

[Titus]

vecna is trying to policy lynch my slot because apparently I'm "impossible to read" which is blatantly fucking false. and maybe if you fucksacks didn't spam 50 pages A DAY you could read me better

~narna idek anymore

ps jj I enjoy your new avatar and you're still town

Ugh...

This is why McMenno is obvtown ftr

[Titus]

If a united town was one of your primary concerns then what the fuck aws the slayer's gambit for?

Identifying town and scum.

[Titus]

Do you see any problem with Dunn tracking me?

is this to me...?

Was to Vecna or anyone else voting me Dunn or you.

It's just annoying. Town needs to unify rather than pushing pet wagons, even if we're wrong.

[Titus]

theres been a lot of useless noise in this thread

vecna and titus. sum up your cases on each other /in one post/ please. its perfectly alright to copy paste previous stuff if that is what you wish.

jj, sum up your thoughts about why mcm is scum in one post as well.

I'll do this if Vecna reneges on not voting within my townblock or Dunn.

[Titus]

I'm prod dodging until someone gets close to lynch. This is ridiculous.

Do you tr jj? If yes, ok. Put another decent name.

[Titus]

also her reactions to dunnstral feel way more muted than her references to any other scumread.

That's cause he's a weaker scumread. Now, he has to track me on Heartless and it'll sort itself.

[Titus]

also her reactions to dunnstral feel way more muted than her references to any other scumread.

That's cause he's a weaker scumread. Now, he has to track me on Heartless and it'll sort itself.

But you're townreading him now you said

I don't want him lynched so I don't give a shit.

This game is fucking dumb. I'll fucking claim if I have to to get a decent lynch by page 200.

[Titus]

Also, there's zero reason for Transcend to be in that town bloc after the way he danced around the Vecna Dunn stuff. That was so gross

Tough shit. He is. You cannot see I am town, you can quit lynch shopping and either tr jj or vote him.

[Titus]

tbh my track record on titus has been pretty consistently garbage for ages.
i think if titus is scum dunn is a good potential buddy and vice-versa
but i would need to be confident about either of them being scum to want to explore that as serious lynch options and im not really sure im there.
[and i guess really i should learn to accept the possibility of being wrong in exchange for making games quicker and less awful but i find it really hard to want to lynch people unless im really confident lately :/]

Great. Who can you lynch?

[Titus]

You cannot see I am town, you can quit lynch shopping and either tr jj or vote him.

That's not how this works. There's no world which says "you either have to vote JJ or townread him"

That's not how this game is played.

It is. Deal with it. We need a lynch.

[Titus]

nobody :')
ahahaa

Then talk to me on jj.

[Titus]

Titus I thought you were going to prodge.

But then I started talking with Gork and now you need to usurp that convo, right?

I am a stubborn git. Tough. I want this day to be fucking over with a solid towblock.

You just want to fucking spam shit after being told no. You have 500 fucking posts.

[Titus]

i dont feel like we're going to have a productive conversation here titus.
but hey
maybe THIS time i'll be wrong.

why is jj scum.
in 3 or less concise points [ie: 3 sentences ie: not four paragraphs] that you think im going to like.

He asked permission to SR me.
He's dodged replying to his wagon.
He's got defenders who refuse to defend him.

[Titus]

*defenders who refuse to TR him.

[Titus]

*defenders who refuse to TR him.

Who are those people?

You for one. Bella, random.

[Titus]

*defenders who refuse to TR him.

Who are those people?

You for one. Bella, random.

Show me one post where I defended JJ

You are now, by refusing to vote TR, or sort him. You're basically defending by shifting focus.

[Titus]

*defenders who refuse to TR him.

Who are those people?

You for one. Bella, random.

Show me one post where I defended JJ

You are now, by refusing to vote TR, or sort him. You're basically defending by shifting focus.

You should have more than 5 hits in 500 posts on a major wagon.

[Titus]

i think shes implying that anyone who doesnt directly engage the wagon is implicitly defending it.

Yes.

[Titus]

Gork, what can I do to help you solve this game? I need a decent lynch. I need you not in apathy mode. What do you need?

[Titus]

I mean I'm not familiar with the abbreviation and can't find it what it means from the internet.

Titus has been happily shitposting for some time now. I assume this is how she normally plays day 1? Nobody has flaffed it. Anyways, she seems quite happy to go with a passive bond and has made no indication that they would benefit from being the active. There was some random voting before the Eddie bandwagon.

All in all, this amounts to be not having the faintest idea at this point in time and I'm not going to pretend I have a read here.



And Alisae, it can definitely be faked. If mafia wanted to pair up without linking to each other in order that one of them got buffed until one of them died, it would be a pretty nice way of doing it. I do believe you though.



Pedit: Woah thinkbig with the claim. That's a confirmed town now, right?

Here Gork.

Read what he's saying.

Tell me this this not normal for Titus so I can SR her.

[Titus]

Oh fuck off Dunn. Track me tonight. I'll confirm Heartless as town.

Let's get on with this shit.

[Titus]

Oh fuck off Dunn. Track me tonight. I'll confirm Heartless as town.

Let's get on with this shit.

...Would this plan be better served by me just watching heartless instead?
You realize I'm a watcher when bonded right

regardless, I'm pretty against this idea right now

Sure. Whatever. Same function. I'm a loyal role when passive. I only target town when passive.

[Titus]

wow im getting pagetops like its christmas

Can I get a hug?

[Titus]

i will discuss that with giga and get back to you.

/hugs titus

why would u have to ask this..........,,,

I just need hugs and murder.

[Titus]

Oh fuck off Dunn. Track me tonight. I'll confirm Heartless as town.

Let's get on with this shit.

...Would this plan be better served by me just watching heartless instead?
You realize I'm a watcher when bonded right

regardless, I'm pretty against this idea right now

Sure. Whatever. Same function. I'm a loyal role when passive. I only target town when passive.

I'm not willing to lynch Vecna today though, which is what you seem to want to do if you're not the lynch

Can we talk over this? I like your claim

Jj bella random or frogger all fine.

[Titus]

VOTE: Eddiebyte

No.

[Titus]

Titus, I'm willing to vote bella today.
They said they liked reading me then defaulted to a scumread and never talked about me.

Fine then vote and try to get bella. Eventually, we'll get down to only good lynches. Still kinda sad no jj vote but i'll take votes on scum where I can get then.

[Titus]

Fuck man, I read but I don't even know what the fuck is even going on anymore.

Alisae, you, me, dunn, heartless, trandscend, alita, eddie/hydra, and Gork are off the table.

Jj or bella is getting rope most likely. Anyone not in those names is fine.

[Titus]

Titus, are you hardpushing Bella?
If not, can you do that?
Or do you have bigger fish to fry atm.

Because one of my concerns is that you're throwing like, a lot of shade at Bella, but I haven't actually seen a really hard push from you yet on them.
Like, you're definitely pushing jj, don't get me wrong, just, can I see some of what you're pushing towards bella maybe?

I'm hard pushing whichever of my strongest srs has the most votes.

Go ahead and vote Bella. I can. Then Aelita will. Dunn is there. I think Eddie will.

[Titus]

Also Titus why is Trans town?

Early game tone. Trans is relatively easy to sort. Is he lurking? Scum. Has he tried? Town.

[Titus]

Can we just agree that

Heartless

Dunn

Eddie hydra
Alisae
Aelita
myself
Gork
Fire
and
Transcend

are all fucking town?

Can we do that?

EBWOP

If we have a townblock that fucking large, scum can't break it so what the fuck ever man

titus what is this list based on

Reality and my reads. With Dunn's claim synergizing with my role (loyal), he cannot be lynched either.

[Titus]

Also Titus why is Trans town?

Early game tone. Trans is relatively easy to sort. Is he lurking? Scum. Has he tried? Town.

This isn't my experience with scum!Trans at all... ;~;
I don't even remember scum!Trans lurking whenever I played with him. And I caught him a lot.
Plus, isn't he lurking now?

Not really. You have 500+ posts and that drowns people out.

You can disagree. Still doesn't change things. That's how I read him.

[Titus]

Also Titus why is Trans town?

Early game tone. Trans is relatively easy to sort. Is he lurking? Scum. Has he tried? Town.

huh? he tryhards as scum usually

he also almost never rolls scum -_-

Not from my experience. He posts a lot but looks to vanish.

[Titus]

Like I said though, townblock of 8 wins this, so can we get on with lynching JJ Bella or whomever.

[Titus]

ok I'll not post for awhile bye bye.

Hug.

[Titus]

The only people who are lurking in this game are those with less posts than the mod. Shut up Alisae

Not helpful. If you're town, showing Alisae what to do is helpful. Right now, they left without their vote on jj or bella which does zero for moving towards a lynch.

[Titus]

VOTE: shiqf

hey look
viable wagon material.
and i wont feel as guilty as i will about voting bella and being wrong even though i feel bad about her too.

Consider me voting this too.

[Titus]

VOTE: shiqf

Speak up why you TR this and put forth an actual fucking decent wagon or vote this. We need a day end.

[Titus]

VOTE: shiqf

hey look
viable wagon material.
and i wont feel as guilty as i will about voting bella and being wrong even though i feel bad about her too.

Consider me voting this too.

Let's do it.

[Titus]

With Eddie and Aelita, that should be 7.

[Titus]

i should have known this wagon was TOO GOOD to possibly work.

Dude, just get back on.

Let's get Heartless Alisae and Eddie to vote. That's 8.

[Titus]

The resistance to lynching players not townread is information in and of itself.

That's the excuse scum use to keep useless players alive, particularly if partnered.

[Titus]

Remember how useless Caesar/Pine was?

[Titus]

ok so tth is busy so i took a gander at dunn's titus case and... it's not very good

It's not. But he claimed tracker/watcher. I'm loyal as passive bond. So he's tracking me or watching you.

[Titus]

ok so tth is busy so i took a gander at dunn's titus case and... it's not very good

It's not. But he claimed tracker/watcher. I'm loyal as passive bond. So he's tracking me or watching you.

yeah... you pushing this as something substantive is kinda making me think youre scum

?? You're thinking the ability to clear you or confirm you as scum is somehow scummy?

[Titus]

Loyal is a new normal modifier. My action only goes through if you're town. Thus, if Dunn sees me visit you, you'd be conftown. If Dunn gets a roleblock, then we know nothing. If Dunn says I don't visit you, either I was blocked (freeing up more powerful roles) or you are scum.

[Titus]

?? You're thinking the ability to clear you or confirm you as scum is somehow scummy?

ur misstating confirmation pretty badly.

even assuming you and dunn are both town, this still doesn't CLEAR us, it clears us TO YOU if you're town.

there's a p big difference

No. Loyal is shown on my flip. My action cannot go through if you are scum.

If Dunn sees me visit you, then the only way you could be scum is with Dunn, because he'd be lying about what I did. Dunn isn't going to tie himself to a partner like that.

[Titus]

my head hurts

Hug.

[Titus]

ok so tth is busy so i took a gander at dunn's titus case and... it's not very good

It's not. But he claimed tracker/watcher. I'm loyal as passive bond. So he's tracking me or watching you.

im confused how can u have a loyal action in a passive bond.

i though being passive by definition meant no action

Nope.

I have a supporting action. That's why I wanted to be passive.

[Titus]

The active member of a bond will have their abilities enhanced in return for the passive member losing their actions.

oh.
is dunnstral scumclaiming then?

I saw that. Nope, it would be me who is scumclaiming, but I figured passive bonds lost actions that could be done regardless of bond status.

[Titus]

Mod: Can there be passive bond actions? Can you clarify post 1.

This is getting dumb.

[Titus]

Titus are you understanding your role correctly?

Are you sure that you can act while passive?

100000%

So I am getting mod to clarify.

[Titus]

Mod: Can there be passive bond actions? Can you clarify post 1.

This is getting dumb.

Titus...

look at your own role

Does it SPECIFICALLY say you can act while passive?

If not, assume you can't

Yes I can.

[Titus]

Nope.

I have a supporting action. That's why I wanted to be passive.

i have no idea what that means

Good.

[Titus]

Explain what the difference there is

i'm saying that INDEPENDENT of anything you or titus do, we're not getting lynched

r u wanting a full claim bc no not doing that rn

You're getting it in the hood. Dunn is tracking me.

[Titus]

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
i was so excited.

That's ok, I'll be dead soon enough.

[Titus]

Explain what the difference there is

i'm saying that INDEPENDENT of anything you or titus do, we're not getting lynched

r u wanting a full claim bc no not doing that rn

Explain the difference between being cleared to me and Titus and being cleared to everyone (innocent child)

u and titus. are not the entire playerlist.

it's that simple.

Dude, I don't think anyone would buy us randomly confirming players as town when it's not true. Just stop. You're scaring me...enjoy being loyal watched man.

[Titus]

Heartless, you're scaring me. When does TTH get back?

[Titus]

bc i feel like she's overstating what she's actually doing w the role stuff

So, you think I made up the loyal modifier? To what end? If you're town, all that happens is you'd be confirmed.

If you have a problem with that, I'll take my bonding services elsewhere.

[Titus]

Titus is loved and loyal.
Got it.

I love titus

Yup. I am Infinite Smiles and Happiness.

[Titus]

i'm p sure this is gonna be my retirement game

Sorry if that's the case. I know players can be frustrating but just go along on the ride here.

[Titus]

i'm p sure this is gonna be my retirement game

this is my retirement game

(eddie)

[Titus]

If you want out/don't want to play with me, I can bond elsewhere. I just really wanted to support you, because I have had you as lock town. The scared feeling from being targeted by someone loyal is kinda :/

[Titus]

ok so tth is busy so i took a gander at dunn's titus case and... it's not very good

It's not. But he claimed tracker/watcher. I'm loyal as passive bond. So he's tracking me or watching you.

yeah... you pushing this as something substantive is kinda making me think youre scum

ohkay... so i grew some self awareness and i get why u might think having dunn around is a big deal.

spoiler alert: it won't be

Ok, so we're still good for bonding, and we can go to night?

[Titus]

Why does it matter that me and Titus are the only players who would know you were town if every part of our plan works out?

matter
to
what?

ok so i think i finally get the question and the answer is: it matters because in this case it's important to get the EXACT outcome of "the plan" right

my point is that it's awfully convenient that the "plan" requires keeping u alive and i think titus, as scum, would have motive to oversell the benefit of the "plan"

So, do you have any questions about the outcome or not?

Or are you just shading?

If you're genuinely confused, I'll help you get it until the cows come home. If you're just not wanting to be copped, I'll bond with Aelita. They'd love to be near mod confirmed town.

[Titus]

If you want out/don't want to play with me, I can bond elsewhere. I just really wanted to support you, because I have had you as lock town. The scared feeling from being targeted by someone loyal is kinda :/

it's not the loyal

it's acting like dunn is a vital axle in this

i've thought about it and i now understand why YOU think so.

but i happen to know he's not going to be

External verification I targeted you. A loyal action alone may or may not verify my successful action.

[Titus]

For instance, not claiming this, if I was a loyal doctor, if scum never try to kill you, I have zero evidence I targeted you.

[Titus]

Oh Titus I get it now.

Ok, so we're good.

Sorry this took so long. I kinda assumed everyone understood.

So Heartless, are we still cool with bonding tonight?

[Titus]

Oh goodie then.

I also remember 2 is good, 1 is bad, 0 is sads.

[Titus]

my point is that it's awfully convenient that the "plan" requires keeping u alive

You misunderstand - I wasn't getting lynched anyway, the plan doesn't affect that

I felt you were. Otherwise, I woulda kept my trap shut.

[Titus]

Do you need me to target heartless or no? Because otherwise I feel like I'm wasting my ability if you can confirm on your own

Yes, me or Heartless. Track me or watch Heartless.

2 good, 1 bad, 0 sads.

Say it back.

[Titus]

2 good, 1 bad, 0 sads.

Say it back.

I don't get it

Just write it down.

[Titus]

at this point i'm just sheeping trs because I want the day to end.

Post a variation of this one more time and my vote goes on you for the rest of the day

No. We need sheep.

[Titus]

2 good, 1 bad, 0 sads.

Say it back.

I don't get it

Just write it down.

I'm moderately paranoid about typing weird phrases

Let's say I share the sentiment, but don't understand it

It means I should visit Heartless twice if town. I double checked that with mod. Once if scum. Zero blocked.

Was trying to be subtle.

[Titus]

2 good, 1 bad, 0 sads.

Say it back.

I don't get it

Just write it down.

I'm moderately paranoid about typing weird phrases

Let's say I share the sentiment, but don't understand it

It means I should visit Heartless twice if town. I double checked that with mod. Once if scum. Zero blocked.

Was trying to be subtle.

ok

Really shouldn't have claimed that :/

If you saw me once, you could mistakenly clear Heartless lol.

[Titus]

Like a vote would be nice.
plz I read except I have no idea what is even going on anymore I just think I want this day to end.

Frog.
I want to end the day.

I honestly don't care what happens any more, I just want the day to be over.

can we lynch something yet?

at this point i'm just sheeping trs because I want the day to end. I'm also trying to tone down my posting a bit but I think I'm doing a bad job?

i feel like this is civ all over again and i hate it.

This game feels like civ and I was very fucking excited for civ and this game ;~;

Been there too.

If you're not voting s, please do so.

[Titus]

Dunn. What the fuck are you trying to accomplish right now?

Just throwing shade at you.

What he posted doesn't indicate your alignment. It indicates apathy.


VOTE: Dunn

Did you not even read why Dunn is not a viable lynch today?

[Titus]

VOTE: jj

Ok. Go ahead Alisae. Vote moving back to jj as largest wagon.

[Titus]

If Frogger doesn't get it though, he takes another tumble in my reads.

[Titus]

Titus is scum too.

Why are you stubbornly clinging to this?

[Titus]

Titus is scum too.

Why are you stubbornly clinging to this?

So you admit I'm being stubbborn and not scum?

I didn't say you weren't scum. Scum can be stubborn. So what gives?

[Titus]

You still don't get it huh frog

I'm telling you to stop spamming before I ruin this game

Don't make threats like this. That's toxic.

[Titus]

Ugh...i wish irl i was smiles and happiness.

[Titus]

I'm staying in just for RC and Ali and Bella

If you suppose Dunn and I are town, who do you want to lynch?

[Titus]

Dunn, can you vote jj?

[Titus]

I'm not a big fan of that wagon

What's wrong with shiqf?

If not that, I would be back on Bella

It's smaller. I want the day over. Heartless wants the day over. Alisae wants the day over. Gork wants the day over.

There's nothing wrong with s or bella wagons. We just need a lynch by page 200.

[Titus]

My fire is out. I don't care at this point.

I'm just going to put my thoughts out there

Maybe stop standing in the way and tunnelling on town?

[Titus]

I decide to stay in and you give me that shit.

No.

I am done

Ok. I generally found games more enjoyable when not tunnelling. If my tone came out bad, sorry.

[Titus]

Frog I feel like all of Titus' posts, especially the ones about townreads and how frustrated she was that they weren't working together is something that comes from town!Titus moreso from scum!Titus. She's just trying to get the town to work together from what I see.

Yet when i reach out to her and try to work with her she gives me this?

No.

I'm not having that.

I don't care if I get force replaced.

? Look, I don't know you're town and I didn't see a reach out.

I see someone attacking my ability to clear players and insisting Dunn and I are partners. I didn't see a genuine reachout, but if I personally offended you, I am sorry.

[Titus]

But done posting

UNVOTE:

I'll hammer whatever

The alternate game state is Bella and Vecna. I guess with JJ?

Titus why do you conveniently ignore my attempt to "get out of my tunnel" and instead continue to attack me?

I missed this. Sorry.

Can you vote jj so we can go to night?

[Titus]

Fine

VOTE: jj

Thank you.

[Titus]

This argument is not productive.

Dunn can you vote jj? I am not 100% sure they are scum but they are a solid read. We need to chill and reset.

[Titus]

We need to chill and reset.

OK

Then let's talk about jjh: why is he a better wagon than shiqf/Bella?

He isn't. All 3 are likely scum. I am not invalidating your opinions. I am just asking you to compromise.

[Titus]

What do you think of jjh's claimed negative utility - not being able to use his power if he's on the hammer wagon

I think it should have been claimed post 1.

[Titus]

Good night.

[Titus]

If theres any doctor/saving role they should be on Dunnstral tonight.

I might very well instruct dunnstral to be watching Titus tonight instead as opposed to Heart, itll be down to wifom whether we clear/condemn Heart or catch scum trying to kill cop-claim Titus.....so scum will either have to risk their NK by targeting Dunn, or risk getting caught by killing Titus.

This way the risk is on scum, and theres only upside to town, no matter how it works out.

No. My job is to die. Track me or watch heartless. I want Heartless's alignment known.

@Frog, Thank you.

[Titus]

If theres any doctor/saving role they should be on Dunnstral tonight.

I might very well instruct dunnstral to be watching Titus tonight instead as opposed to Heart, itll be down to wifom whether we clear/condemn Heart or catch scum trying to kill cop-claim Titus.....so scum will either have to risk their NK by targeting Dunn, or risk getting caught by killing Titus.

This way the risk is on scum, and theres only upside to town, no matter how it works out.

No. My job is to die. Track me or watch heartless. I want Heartless's alignment known.

@Frog, Thank you.

But you promised me you'd join up with me tomorrow if I joined up with him today.....

That's true. I still plan on doing that if I live. I was just ensuring Vecna had the priorities straight. My dying wish would be no one ever fucks with you.

[Titus]

If jj claims something unlynchable, do you want to lynch s or bella?

[Titus]

Tbh, I prefer s at the moment but I know my townreads need a lynch and jj was bigger.

Actually, S is a good info lynch. The people defending it based on lack of info actually make it good info.

[Titus]

Jj, you're the one who needs to claim.

[Titus]

I haven't seen a VC in a while

Yeah RC has a life, but we all agree there's intent on you.

Claim stalling is widely regarded as a scumtell here.

[Titus]

But I'm nowhere near being lynched, am I?

You've got intent to hammer.

[Titus]

Yeah but like 90% of us are voting both in spirit. Why did you have to give him a reason not to claim?

[Titus]

Jesus christ Titus you just lied about something serious and instantly provable

I didn't lie, just stated facts in an awkward manner. Either you or s is likely getting lynched today. Spirit votes don't show up on VCs.

So, either you can claim or stall the game.

[Titus]

Would you settle for my non-active half or is it all-or-nothing?

Full claim.

[Titus]

I mean, I've crumbed my flavour like 3 times so if anyone wants to point that out that works for me

Flavor is not role.

[Titus]

im not voting shiqf or jjh. dont have a scumread on either of them.

Then you're eating rope tomorrow.

[Titus]

Jj is town

Nah, he probably isn't. If I'm wrong though, he knows all negative utility get claimed d1 and not to claim stall.

[Titus]

im not voting shiqf or jjh. dont have a scumread on either of them.

Then you're eating rope tomorrow.

refusing to vote people im not scumreading with 9 days until deadline is scummy. cool

im not voting shiqf or jjh. dont have a scumread on either of them.

Then you're eating rope tomorrow.

Scum fuck Mcgee line

bingo

No. You're whiteknighting the two slots in this game that are consistently fucking scumread and stalling the game. You aren't defending them. You aren't scumhunting. You're just saying gee, there's deadline time.

Guess what, not all time has to be used and you clearly are NOT using it. You're sitting on a vanity wagon doing jack shit creating more town apathy because the biggest issue is getting a fucking wagon together.

Pick one.

[Titus]

Why are you guys lynching me now? Don't we have a week left? Can I at least catch up so I can defend myself??

Do shit. You've promised it for ages.

[Titus]

im not voting shiqf or jjh. dont have a scumread on either of them.

Then you're eating rope tomorrow.

refusing to vote people im not scumreading with 9 days until deadline is scummy. cool

im not voting shiqf or jjh. dont have a scumread on either of them.

Then you're eating rope tomorrow.

Scum fuck Mcgee line

bingo

No. You're whiteknighting the two slots in this game that are consistently fucking scumread and stalling the game. You aren't defending them. You aren't scumhunting. You're just saying gee, there's deadline time.

Guess what, not all time has to be used and you clearly are NOT using it. You're sitting on a vanity wagon doing jack shit creating more town apathy because the biggest issue is getting a fucking wagon together.

Pick one.

how am i fucking whiteknighting? i have a slight townread on the two slots. im not doing what you would do and say that everyone has to bow down to me as their supreme leader if they dare to do so much as get one wrong mislynch that you dont agree with

Yeah, you sure have a slight townread that you do naught to explain and just say no. You do naught to push scum.

It's pretty clear you're just opposing what I say in the face of ignoring obvious town who need this day to end too.

[Titus]

UNVOTE:
Gimmie a moment to take this in.

Fucking a you have got to be kidding me.

You both want this day to end and you're unvoting scum that cannot be assed to fake claim.

[Titus]

like, a doctor-enabler enables doctors, and if you die doctors are no longer doctors

but if you were a doctor-enabler doctor, it wouldn't matter that you enable yourself because if you die you can't use your doctor role because you're dead anyway

If his role is honest, it would imply there's a second version of his role.

[Titus]

Jj needs to just straight up fullclaim.

[Titus]

How?

If I have to park my vote on someone at the end of the day to target them with my night action I should think it is negative utility.


My role can be broken into 3 bits, and I'll give you another word.

Modified enabler / limited motion detector / bonded limited thing-I'm-not-telling-you-yet.



When I am voting someone who does not get lynched at the end of the day, I gain the ability to target them with my night action.

Which does what? Frankly, you're voting me which suggests you will fuck with my loyal action.

[Titus]

If you're healing me, then claim that. I'm ok with it. We'll lynch s and move on.

[Titus]

Which does what? Frankly, you're voting me which suggests you will fuck with my loyal action.

no because he's going passive

Passive he said is negative utility.

[Titus]

I can't, I'm taking a passive bond with Gork.

You can't fuck with me or cannot heal me?